RMU_2023-03-DOJ Find Pattern Violations By Louisville Police, NAACP Support Tegna Deal, Racism In Mormon Church

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Hey folk Today's March Wednesday, March ten, two thousand and
twenty three, coming on them count the line of the
Black Start Network. The Partment of Justice issues a scathing
report on the Louisville Police Department showing a pattern of racism,
a horrid behavior using of in ballot warrings. All this
in the wake of the shooting death of Brema Taylor.

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Book talk with the police Chief of Louisville about today's report. Also,
Mormon church is a complicated hitch with African Americans. Will
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folks say shocking and stunning report today dropped by the
Department of Justice as a two year investigation into the
Louisville Police Department, which was a commission after the shooting
death of Brin La Taylor. It shows a department frankly
out of control use of end ballot warrants, how they
actually threw drinks at pedestrians from their cars, recorded on cameras,

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also calling black people mucky and other racial epithets of folks,
and just unbelievable what we heard from the Department of Justice.
We'll play something that a little bit later. Right now,
we want to bring in the inner and police Chief
of Louisville, Jacqueline gwyn Villereal and glad to have you
on the show. It has to be bothersome to you

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to listen to the Department of Justice stand before the
nation and describe shameful and of a horrid behavior from
officers in your police departments. Roll and thank you so
much for having me on your show. But yes, it's
very disheartening to what we heard today. It has just
truly rocked this city and it has rocked the police Department,

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those who truly value the work that we do every
day and serving the citizens of the land for SOW
and PD and Louisville. But for the most part, is
just really disheartening to hear what was in that report today.
We oftentimes hear the paternal or the police the unions

(03:34):
commenting and protecting their officers. Have they given any comment
after what the DJ late out today which shows just
an unbelievable antics by officers in the Louisville Police Department.
I haven't heard, just immediately just yet any comments from
our FOP president or any other union officials. But nonetheless,

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I'm very hopeful that we can come together and actually
come to an agreement. We know and we all want
the best department we can u This is some tough
times that we're going to be going through, and m
we're going to need everybody to come to the table
and help navigate these uncertain, tremonstous warders that we're in.

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So I'm going to be expecting the FOP president and
expecting my leadership team and the members of this department
and of course the administration to truly just come together
and as we continue to move forward and deal with
what is in front of us, which is as truly
a shocking report. What is next though, Um, you know

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what do you now convey to officers on the force
when you look at this report issued the offer of
the conduct side of are these officers? Are they still
on the force? Are they still walking around with a
badge and a gun? And so that's what we have
to do when we do a deeper die within the report,
we will do an analysis to see who do we

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have still are not force? Does it lead us into
an additional investigation concerning those individuals, So we would do
our due diligence in that space. But also to I
want to note within that report, a DJ was very
clear in this as well that the vast majority of
the officers here on this department are doing it right

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and it's just unfortunate that we have a few officers
who have decided that they want to take this badge
and it definitely erodes this profession in a way that
just shakes law enforcement across this nation. And so again
we will do our due diligence to see who do
we still have here that was mentioned in that report,

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and then we will make that necessary adjustment and actually
dealing with those individuals. You know, the public when they
hears a vastom of officers you know who are good indecent.
You hear it all the time. But the problem is
that doesn't engender trust, especially among African Americans. We've seen that,
dm J. Look at Louisville, Cleveland, Chicago, Baltimore. We can

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go on and on and on, and we keep having
the same sort of things, racial emphataz again, excessive force,
on and on and on, and these are people with
the power to shoot and kill you. You're right, and
you're right. I cannot I cannot refute that. And so
that's where we have to come into play, making sure

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that we have the right supervisors in place who are
monitoring our officers on a day to day basis and
the work that they're doing. But also to get into
a space that we're just not just hiring anyone just
because our staffing levels are down. We need to hire
quality individuals that should be a part of this profession
and those that decide not to, and we need to

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do necessarily to take the nesterious steps to weed them
along their way with them out of our department. But
you're you're so correct. We gotta get it right, especially
the citizens of Louisville. They expect the change, They want
the change, and rolling they deserve the change. We hear
a lot from people when we talk about these issues.

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They always say, training, training, training, But how do you
fix this? Training is not the beyond to end all.
It's that ruling. It's going to be that day to
day auditing of ourselves. You can train on a particular subject,
but what are we doing on the day to day?

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How are supervisors engaging their officers. Are they checking in
on their officers, are they seeing how they're engaging the public.
A lot of these systems that we have in place
now is the early intervision system where if someone is
actually flagging on the radar and in a certain particular area,
that gives that supervisor the actual inclination, let me check

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in and see exactly what this officer is doing a
little bit closer. So again, those are going to be
those tools that we need to actually utilize, but utilize
them daily. But again, gets training is good. Training is
what we need, but also to checking in on our officers,
as supervisors should be doing and seeing what our officers
are doing day to day and having mechanisms and tools

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that afford us that opportunity to do that. I mean
interviewed the number of police chiefs who say the right
things when talking with the public. But one of the things,
just like our interven CEOs with a thing that jumps
out is always that layer one or two layers below
the chief. How are you making clear to your command
staff and your expectations for them are to get this

(08:33):
job done and done right? Because my clear message to
them every time I have a conversation with them and saying,
first of all, it starts with me. It starts with
me in this top seat, making sure that I'm modeling
what I expect from them. And then as I'm modeling
what I'm expecting from them, I'm expect for them to
actually carry it out and demonstrate that falling down. And

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if you cannot do that within my particular agency, then
you need to actually find another place whereas actually you
fit better. Because the expectations is high. We can't go back.
We must be strong in standing together and making sure
that we're serving the citizens of this city properly. And
we've got to get it right. And so and I

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think a lot of times we're in this top seat,
we're kind of, you know, try to temper away around
some things, and sometimes you just got to hit it
straight on and just let them know that this behavior,
whether it rose and trying to rolle this profession and
go on and ride and go and rode, it just
would not be tolerated. And also too, the buy in
must be at the top levels in are for the

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actual troops on the ground to embrace it. So top
leadership is just really crude or critical in this process,
and I expect them to make sure they embrace change
and the reforms that are in front of us. Have
you had community events that you plan to do that
directly engaging with the community, allowing them to ask questions

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to rebuild that trust. How is that happening? Yeah, so
already we have. We created our Youth and Advisory Counsel
and that that council meets twice a month and it's
very robust with youth around the city. It comes together
and ask those tough, couracious questions of law enforcement. But
also too, I took another level as far as making

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sure that we are having a what we call a
community com sat where I brought in the community into
the space where we're talking about our day to day crime.
They actually see what the resources are. They actually see
how we're responding to calls and what calls we're responding to,
and what is the hot button issues for them. We
are bringing them in. Now. I'm creating and formally formalizing

(10:40):
a pastoral former form, which is which is ideal in
order to get the church by in as to what
we're doing in policing. But guess what role and not
stopping there our activists. I'm actually starting our activists form
because I need to hear from those individuals who who
have seen some things that have just truly rocked them,

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that are negative in nature from the police and actually
have them brought to the table so I can hear
their concerns and that we can navigate and meet and
get to someone solution. So those things are being very intentional,
but again making sure that I'm president in the community,
and like I tell my command staff, if I'm president
of the community, I need for you to be president
of the community. Shame Jacqueline gwyn villa Real will appreciate

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you joining us, look forward to having you back and
hopefully next time you're on there's a much more positive
report and you can letting us know what's happened there
in Louisville. Thank you Roland for having me. Thank you.
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot, folks. We're going to
continue having this conversation talking about the Louiver Police Department.
Keep in mind, this d J report was a result

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of the death of Briama Taylor, and so we come back.
We're going to hear from Christian Clark, head of the
Civil Rights Division, Department of Justice, from Merrick Garland, the
Attorney General. Folks. It is a stunning, stunning report and
will detail it all for you right here. N roll
with my gun culture on the Black Start Network, A

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lot of these corporations or people that are running stuff
push black people if they're doing a certain thing. What
that does is it creates a butterfly effect of any
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they're in and the only people they see your people
that are doing this, or I gotta be a gangster,
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in order to do it, and it becomes a cyclable

(12:33):
when someone comes around is making another oh we don't
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Professor Porter and doctor Flivia Watkins, our Legal Roundtable team,

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I gave you a glimpse of what was talked about
in the Department of Justice and news conference today detailing
what Louisville police officers did and said. But listen to
Christian Clark, head of the Civil Rights Division the Department
of Justice, just lay out how shameful and despicable the
thing done by officers in this department in Louisville deserve

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constitutional policing. They deserve policing that is fair and non discriminatory.
Our investigation found that the police department and city government
failed to adequately protect and serve the people of Louisville,
breached the public's trust, and discriminated against black people through

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unjustified stops, searches, and arrest. The police used excessive force,
subjecting people to unlawful strikes, tazings, and canine bites. The
police sought search warrants without justification and carried out no

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knock warrants unlawfully evading the constitution, defying federal law, and
putting ordinary citizens in harm's way. Today, Mark's eight new
days and a new chapter for the people of Louisville.
For the last two years, the Justice Department has led

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an exhaustive investigation in Louisville to determine whether Louisville Metro
Government and the Louisville Police Department engaged in a pattern
or practice of conduct that violated the Constitution or federal law.
We left no stone unturned, and we found that LMPD

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routinely search warrants for residences without establishing legal justification for
invading someone's home. Officers regularly seek warrants that are overly broad,
sweeping in people who have at most a remote connection
to the investigation, who have committed no crime, harbor no evidence,

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and have a constitutional right to not be subject to
unreasonable search and seizure. Officers also violated the law when
they act on these warrants by unjustifiably barging into people's
homes without knocking and announcing their presence, and they often
serve these warrants at night. These tactics are dangerous. Officers

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can be misidentified as intruders, and they may interpret misinterpret
shock and surprise as a threat. All of this puts
the public at risk and officers too. Officers also routinely
conduct stops, searches, and arrest without the required constitutional justification.

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These tools are essential to enhance public safety, but when
used without restraint, they turn into weapons of oppression, submission,
and fear. We found that LMPD officers use excessive and
dangerous tacks, such as neck restraints, canines, and tasers, even

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against people who posed no imminent threat to the officer
or others. We also found that officers misdirect their resources
and violate fundamental principles of equal justice by selectively targeting
and disproportionately subjecting black residents to unlawful policing. LMPD disproportionately

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stops and sites black drivers for minor traffic offenses. In fact,
black drivers were nearly twice as likely as white drivers
to be cited for having one headlight out. Black drivers
were nearly four times as likely as white drivers to
be cited for improperly tinted windows, and black drivers were

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nearly five times as likely as white drivers to be
cited for improper tags. Lmp HE also disproportionately searches black
drivers who are stopped and cited. Even when comparing traffic
stops where black and white drivers were engaged in similar
behavior before the stop, Black drivers were almost fifty percent

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more likely to be searched than whites. LMPD charges black
people at higher rates than white people for the same
misdemeanor offenses. For example, LMPD charges black people for loitering
it more than four times the rate of white people,
for disorderly conduct at two and a half times the

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rate of white people, and for littering at three times
the rate of white people. This pattern of racial discrimination
fuels distrust and impedes the community's confidence in the LMPD
and their law enforcement operations. Lmp these improper activity extends

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beyond use of force street enforcement in search warrants. We
also found that LMPD often responds aggressively to people criticizing
the police, both in routine day to day police encounters
and during lawful demonstrations, and both before and after the

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racial justice protests that occurred in twenty twenty, we saw
unnecessarily aggressive behavior against people experiencing behavioral health crises. One person,
a black man, with an apparent behavioral health disability, had
more than twenty five encounters with LMPD in less than

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two years. And in some of these interactions, LMPD officers
needlessly escalated the situation and used unreasonable force. At times,
they even mocked him. The man ultimately died in a
Louisville Metro detention center after he had once again been

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arrested by LMPD. Such unnecessary escalation of encounters that could
have and should have remained non violent was far too common.
These findings are not based on any one incident or event.
They turn on evidence showing longstanding dysfunction at LMPD. The

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pattern or practice of unlawful conduct compromises lmpd's ability to
serve and protect safely, constitutionally and effectively. Instead, LMPD has
practice an extreme, misdirected, and counterproductive style of policing, and,

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as Attorney General Garland denoted, these findings give us reasonable
cause to believe that Louisville Metro and LMPD engage any
pattern or practice of conduct that violates both the Constitution
and federal law. Just kill music. Please thank you what

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we have just heard, folks, It's a detailed description of
how it's shameful the Louisville Police Department. Is you heard me?
Ask the chief? You ain't heard nothing from the FOP.
And y'all notice they love running in mouse defending cops.
Yet when they come in and lay out these detail facts,

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oh my god, they're silent and they're missing an action.
That's what cowards do. See if you want to stand
up and shout and defend your cops. When when something
happens with a shooting happens, I all of a sudden
is their disappearing act. When the Department of Justice comes

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out and lays out numerous facts, numerous details, and folks
get real quiet. Joining me right now, folks, is Tammy Hawkins.
Remember the city Council. They're in Louisville, Ulster, Timmykamalory co
found Until Freedom. They were there on the ground. They
are standing up Brenna Taylor and her Brinn and Taylor's
mother and the family advocating for this Councilwoman Hawkins, and

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I got to ask you, I mean to sit here
and listen to that report. And then of course the
silence from the Fraternal Order Police tells you what the
real truth is in terms of they're unwilling to defend this.

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I'll say this. I was burned. It was very disheartening,
very unknown, settling for me, but not surprising. It just
gave confirmation of the things that we have already known

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or suspected for a long time. It's gonna take a
lot to bridge this gap. I believe that fo P
should be accountable. Cheap Villaro, she inherited this. My heart

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goes out to her, the mayor's administration and the mayor.
My heart goes down to them. But I'm gonna be
very clear my constituents, what about them? How did they

(25:13):
get that last back? How do they go on? What's
the first step in bridging the gap with them? You
can't unring this bill, Tobaccam. I got about forty five

(25:36):
seconds before I go to break. We're gonna come heke
and pick this up after the break. But again, it
folks like you and others, and we keep saying this
over and over and over again. This is happening. This
is happening, This is happening, and people love to sit
here and go, oh, it's a few, it's a few.
It's a few. Like I said to the Sea chief,
h it's it's New Orleans, it's Philadelphia, it's Baltimore, it's Louisville,

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it's Cleveland, it's Chicago, it's Washington, DC, it's New York City,
it's Los Angeles, it's Aurora, Colorado. We could go on
and on and on. So seems to me it ain't
just a few bad apples. It absolutely is not just
a few bad apples. And you know, I don't know

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the rules. I have to talk to the lawyers. But
it feels like after receiving the type of report and
seeing this type of report that is so damning against
this police department that we already knew not surprising information,
but to see it in one document, it feels like
there should be something receivership day these officers and the

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leadership there. I do not feel confident that they are
able to do the job necessary to protect the people
of Louisville. It really breaks my heart because we were there.
I lived in Louisville for four months and I saw
what the do, the antagonizing, the abuse, the straight up violence,
and what we know is that Brianna Taylor is dead

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because of the behavior. It's almost like, when you're reading
the report, the exact things that's described happened to Brianna
Taylor and Kenny Walker, and so it feels like more
than just a consent decree. We actually need there to
be physical bodies on a daily basis inside of the
police department ensuring that they are stopped because it's out

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of control. And we knew that already. We've been saying
it on your show, Roland for the last two years.
I gotta go to a break. We come back, we'll
continue this conversation. You're bringing our legal panel, polical panel
as well. You're watching Rolling Martin Unfiltered on the Black
Start Network. We're breaking down this Department of Justice report
released today detailing massive, massive corruption, shameful behavior, racism in

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the Louisville Police Department. You're watching the Black Stuart Network.
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storm to the US capital who see show, We're about
to see the lives what I call white minority resistance.
We have seen white folks in this country who simply
cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing
is the inevitable result of violent denials. This is part
of American history. Every time that people of color had

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made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been the
Carold Anderson at every university calls white rage as the
backlashes is the wrath of the proud boys and the
boogaloo boys America. There's going to be more of this
would have gone. This country just getting increasingly racist in
its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of

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white both the field that they're taking our job, to
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Roland Martin unfiltered. All right for welcome back to Roland
Martin underfilter. We're talking about this DLJ report on Louisville

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or a guest councilwoman Tammy Hawkins, also to Mika Mallory,
Councilman Tami Louisville, and also to Mika Malory, co founder
of Ununtil Freedom Accouncilwoman. Now that this report has been issued,
what does the council do next? Well, let me be
clear with this. The mayor's the police department is under

(30:31):
the mayor's office, not menttional council. I believe after reading
that the mayor met with the FOP, and I believe
it was a closed session. I think things like that
starts the mistrust. I'm one that will hold everybody's feet

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to the fire. I'm a voice for my constituents and
I put my pens on the same way they do.
But hold on what you say, the police partment under
the mayor's control. I cover city council in the Fort Worth,
I cover county government in Austin. Is there a city
council committee that deals with police and fire? Yes? Will

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the government accountability and public safety? Okay? Well, okay, Well,
can that committee call the head of the FOP to
testify before the committee about what's happened in the police department? Definitely, absolutely,
will that happened? Yes, I promise you yes, I'll make
sure to that Tamika, you want to jump in there. Yeah,

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I mean, thank you so much. And and I'm excited
to hear our sister, the councilwoman, talk about this because
oftentimes when we were in Louisville, some of the council
members too, many of the council members were not present,
And I just have to be very honest about that,
because it is the truth. It was a major fight
to be able to move legislators from top to bottom

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within the Kentucky community, in the Louisville community and Kentucky
in general to support the protesters. And I think this
report is going to help us to be able to
get more people to understand that what we were talking
about is read. And so your question today, Roland is
so important. Will what steps will be make and buy

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every single body, governing body within the city of Louisville
to fight this. It's going to take more than the
mayor's office. The mayor also needs to have some oversight
because we already know that we've had mayor's as you said,
across this country. We've got mayors, we've got police chiets,
we've got all of that, and they still need a

(32:55):
loud voice that is willing to go up against them
and to ensure that their feet are in the fire
every single day. This can't be a software issue, As
a councilwoman was saying earlier, her constituents, the constituents have
felt the brunt of this for far too long, and
right now, what we need are people who are going

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to be radical. They're going to be powerful, and they
are not going to be afraid because of their election
or whatever it is, that whatever resources they expect to
be out there challenging those people who are in positions
of power who have either allowed this to happen or
have an ability at this point to change it. They
need to be pushed. Councilwoman, my last question for you,

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what will it take for this police department to engender
trust from the community. Can this chief do it? I'm
gonna be clarious, lay in a black room taking and

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everybody keeps asking the question, the same question, what can
we do so this won't happen? Or what can we
do to fix LMPD. But I'm still harping on what
are we gonna do to fix our constituents that I
left with felonies, that I left with life trauma, so

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I'm trying to bridge the gap with not just LMPD,
but also with my constituents that I am a voice for,
you know, how do we fix their last I'm one
that's not scared to speak up. I'm a voice of reason.
I'm a second chanceller. I understand how it feels. So

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I always put myself in somebody else's shoes first. And
I'm very passionate. I'm very passionate. But one thing that
I've learned, and that is when you're passionate about things,
you gotta you gotta put your feelings to us to

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the side. You gotta start, you know, creating policies because
that's what matters. And one thing that the that the
DG said, Jake said. She said it was a lack
of policy. It was the lack of structure that was

(35:35):
in place. I beg to differ. I didn't know that.
I didn't I've never known calling somebody monkey and calling
somebody boy. I didn't know that there was a policy.

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I thought that just came a common sense and respect
and integrity, you know, as an officer and when you
swear under oath. I didn't know you can just come
right off and you know, you just treat people any
type of way, and you target black. So you heard
me ask the chief about community forms? Have you been

(36:20):
holding those? Are you holding them on a monthly basis?
Are folksing you and other electeds out there? Are you there?
Are you out there with the chief? Are you also
gonna say hey, have your command staff out here? Is?
Are y'all gonna say Mayor you should be doing this
as well? I'm gonna say this, and I don't sugarcoat anything,

(36:45):
but District one. It impacted my district, you know, more
than probably anybody's district. The west kind is my district.
But have there been those forms? You heard me? Asked
the chief that yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely for District one?

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And I in me District one, Tammy Hawkins. I hold
the new mayor accountable. I do. Here'd be a staff
with thirty you know. But but but I can't speak
for anybody else. Let me ask to make this MAKA.
Y'all were on the ground there for quite some time.
Uh where y'all getting corporation from council members, from elected

(37:31):
officials to make changes. It was very tough rolling you know. Again,
I wouldn't be me without telling the truth about what
we experienced. Oftentimes we found ourselves with very a very
small amount of council members and other elected officials who
were out there with us. I have to give credit

(37:52):
to Adda to Scott, she was one of those as
an elected official who was on the ground. Of course,
Charles Booker was kind instantly showing up in a part
of our activities. And of course Katara Haran who is
now a district leader, and that happened as a result
of the protest. She ran for office and has now

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been elected. And you know, and there were others at time,
but I think that there has to be much more
of a commitment and an engagement from the electeds that
are there in Kentucky, in Louisville. One of the things
that I have to say that is absolutely it was
probably one of the most disappointing was the lack of

(38:33):
support from the local electives to be out there with
Brianna Taylor's family. And you can ask them, I mean,
they will tell you what they experienced. And so, you know,
we did see when it came time the fight for
no knock warrants, we saw the electeds get engaged and
make sure that that happened, but nonetheless, just in terms

(38:53):
of the everyday boots on the ground effort, that was
not the case while we were in Kentucky, UH Council.
And final comment, I'll tell you this, I've been in
Metro Council Listan sixty days. Right, that's right, and I

(39:15):
don't know what happened. Then we're not going to assure
you now that you get my support. All right, I
would say that we could go ahead. Final comment. I

(39:35):
want to make sure because one thing we UM, you know,
want to be honest about and be open of course,
and and and and be transparent. That's the word I'm
looking for. We also want to acknowledge that Miss Hawkins
is new and so I want to make sure that
we say that today. And I'm hoping that the energy
that I feel here from you this evening, councilwoman, is

(39:57):
energy that you will bring to the ground. UM and
so certainly we have to give you that. I'm talking
about colleagues that have been there for a long time,
and what they need are more of people like you
who will be there knocking on doors and asking them
to hit the streets. The people are there, as you know,
on any given day You can find the movement at

(40:18):
the square at Injustice Square Park where they gather and
sometimes even sleep out there overnight to fight for Brianna.
So it's not hard to get involved in the movement.
What we need is people like you to be committed.
All right, then, we want to thank both of you
for being with us. Look, we cover these doors all
the time. I'm surely not gonna stop counseling Hawkins. Next

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a lot. Uh, Tomika Malory, thanks for having me and
I will be in touch all right, all right, thank you,
Thank you very much. A Scott Bolden lawyer here based
in DC. Robert Potillo, host of People Passion, Politics news
talk urching ad w a OK in Atlanta, and Kakruther's
vice president of Fairy Elections Center. There my panel, I

(41:03):
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All right, folks, so let's chat about this with our panel.
Scott Bowling. I'll start with you again when you listen
to Christine Clark. Christine Clark lay out all of that

(44:01):
I mean to talk about, just unbelievable. Yeah, this is
the beginning, not the end. I want you to listening
to audience to know that that is a scathing report,
almost as if the LMPD operates as a criminal enterprise.

(44:25):
Where are the indictments or I expect indictments to flow?
One thing from this report? One thing you did not
talk about. There were some allegations in there about sexually
abusing arrestees and members of the public. But I read
it correctly. Where are the Where are the criminal indictments

(44:46):
that are going to flow from this? Are these people
under investigation? I was surprised to hear that the the
the chief did not know whether these people were still
in her department or not, or still under investigation over
leave of any duty, you know, And DJ goes in,
they're working with senior management of the police department. They
know who the bad actors are because they have to

(45:08):
know if they're going to write the report, and so
that was a bit of underwhelming. At the same time,
the community, it was interesting. The councilmember said, hey, my
community is suffering as a result of those bad arrest
and bad searches and dog bites and what have you.
I was thinking that that community in District one needs

(45:29):
a race and Truth reconciliation meeting or commission in each
district to talk about this report and to have the
police and the police union and members of the police
force there along with the mayor and other elected officials,
because there's healing that needs to take place on both sides.
But the way you clean up this department, I don't

(45:50):
know whether policy wise they have receiverships for departments, but
the way you clean this up is that you eliminate
the worst apples first, then the next worse and the
next worst and then I'll leave you with this. I
don't want to hear that the majority of the police department,
in this police department is makes sense or they do

(46:11):
the right thing. They know the bad apples, they know
the bad conduct, and if they don't report it, if
they lie about it, or they tolerated, they are no
better than the bad actors. I'm sorry. It's a bottom
line proposition and it never stops being that in law enforcement. Robert,

(46:32):
I think that this is the time that we have
to take this seriously. Finally, it can no longer be
a city by city, issue by issue whackam old situation
when it comes to addressing these issues, or police brutality
and racism when it comes to law enforcement. We need
to call them this. Any Judiciary Committee Chairperson Durbin to
hold hearings with regard to this report, and also for

(46:54):
the White House to finance and commission through the Department
of Justice, a audit of every major city police department
in this country. We need to have this type of
report that we have in the Brianna Taylor case in
every major city because any of us who are practice
criminal law, I know that in almost every major city
you will find a very similar report, whether it's the

(47:16):
Red Dog Unit in Atlanta, the Scorpion Unit in Memphis,
or hundreds of others across the country. Human rights abuses
in the city of Chicago, and unless we are willing
to put put our money where our mouth is financing
types of reporters and information needed to gather that analytical
data and then hold hearing where we bring these major
city police chiefs before the Senate Judiciary Committee and forced

(47:39):
them to answer tough questions, and then have the Senate
vote on true police reform legislation, not just a George
Floyd Justice and Policing app because we all knew before
that was even suggested that that was not strong enough
for what we were fighting against, not just the Tim
Scott justice that we knew that wasn't strong enough for
what we're fighting against. We need new transformational police reform

(48:01):
legislation in this country. We are still operating in a
mid nineteenth century rouper when it comes to policing. We
still see police very much in the same vein as
the slave catchers did in the eighteen thirties and eighteen
forties when many of these major police departments who were created,
as we truly want to have judicial accountability, if we
truly want to have trust in communities when it comes

(48:21):
to law enforcement, as we are really serious about fighting
crime and tamping down on what they called the crime
wave that has happened the last couple of years. Dick Durbin,
the Senate Judiciary Committee Chair, needs to call for hearings
on these issues, and the President and the Attorney General
need to finance and put forth a call to have
every major police department audited the same way they did

(48:42):
in Louisville, and we will see what happens. But it's
time to make real change, not just talking, not this
press conferences. Let's let's see the rubber hit the road, Rebecca.
All the people out there who, oh, I don't really
see you know where Senor Tim Scott today, why why
is he so quiet today? The man who stopped the
George Floyd justice a police had from moving forward. He's

(49:05):
quiet because he doesn't have a solution. I do want
to point out that this current police chief is actually
new and became interim police chief on January second, twenty three,
so she's been on the job for just about two months.
So I can understand why she wouldn't be as knowledgeable
about which officers are are not still involved with Louisville

(49:27):
Metropolitan Police Department. But I do have some questions with
the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice, yes they
did this report, but they still have a civil side
and they have a criminal side. Why wasn't there an
announcement of criminal prosecution which the Department of Justice can
do to start prosecuting these bad police officers within the

(49:48):
Louisville Police Department. Because when we see when local prosecutors
are when it's left up to them to do these prosecutions,
we also see political ramification. It was like Baltimore is
a good example of that with the previous States Attorney there. So,
you know, I really want to see Department of Justice
do more. I want to see them lead on this.

(50:10):
I want to see them due prosecution. And to the
council member's point, there has to be some type of restitution.
If we know that there was that there was criminal
activity that these police officers were doing, if we know
that under the color of law that they weren't actually
doing their jobs correctly, then maybe it's time to set

(50:31):
aside some of those convictions for those felons are are
in District one that should not be felons, but are
felons because of repeated police intimidation and repeated police harassment. Well,
and I would hope again, and this is one of
the things that I've been saying, I would hope Scott
at the White House got more aggressive. What I mean,

(50:53):
by dad, is this DJ under Christen Clark has really
been active in many of these cases. Is the announcement
today was made from the Department of Justice. But my goodness,
it would be great to see this being announced from
the White House podium and seeing the President sending there
as well, because they have think good things to say.

(51:15):
The White House needs to elevate this to a higher degree. Yeah,
but the Democratic White House this black folks stuff, these
black issues. It's just black people getting beat up and
abused by the police. Democrats want our vote. We don't
want to do anything about our plight. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

(51:37):
no base point about here's my point though, if if
they're going to, if they're if if if they're going to,
if they want to truly advance the issue of the
George Ford Justice Act. The third anniversary is death is
in two months. My deal is you elevate the story.

(51:58):
If you don't, just you don't just always talk about
all police need more money, show the flip side of
the actions of the cops. That's what needs to happen.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Now you tell me here's
a question for you. White won't the White House do it.
It's because it's black people, and they've never made black
people priority unless they want us to vote for them

(52:20):
doing an election. No, I think it's that. No, no, no,
you ask the question. No, you ask the question. I
might ask the question. It's also because Democrats want to
play this game of oh, we don't want to say
anything negative about cops, because these white folks out here
are yelling crime, crime, crime. It's gonna be a major issue.
And my whole deal is, guess what. You could try

(52:42):
to get those white folks vote all you want to,
but you're gonna need to vote to black folks, Latinos,
and others who have been impacted by awful policing. That's
who we deliver to the Democratic Party. The majority of
white America hasn't voted for a Democratic president since Lyndon
Baines Johnson, and they just refuse to accept that data.
The white pool, working class white people of America who

(53:06):
love Trump, they are enamored, obsessed with getting them back
because the idea that they rely on black people and
brown people and gay voters just drives them crazy because
they will not accept that that is who America is.
Even in twenty forty three. It's twenty twenty three right now.
That's who America is. And they won't do it, and

(53:27):
they have every opportunity to do it, and they will
go with race neutral legislation that helps everybody before they
take on that black issue. I don't know what their
problem is. I do know what their problem is. It
will value black people so and by the way, one
other point, they need to do a report on every
prison in every state too well. And the same thing.

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It's corrupt from top to box. I got you hold
one second. Mary Garland again talked about the violations violation
of the Constitution in Louisville. Watch this. The Department is
included that there is reasonable cause to believe that Louisville
Metro and LMPD engaged in a pattern or practice of
conduct that violates the First and Fourth Amendments of the Constitution.

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There is also reasonable cause to believe that they engage
in conduct that violates Titles six or the Civil Rights
Act of nineteen sixty four, the Safe Streets Act, and
the Americans with Disabilities Act. Specifically. The report finds that
LMPD uses excessive force, including unjustified neck restraints and the

(54:35):
unreasonable use of police dogs and tasers, conducts searches based
on invalid warrants, unlawfully executes warrants without knocking and announcing,
unlawfully stops searches, detains and arrests people, unlawfully discriminates against
black people and enforcement activities, violates the rights of people

(55:00):
engaged in protected speech critical of policing, and, along with
Louisville Metro, discriminates against people with behavioral health disabilities when
responding to them in crisis. The Justice Department has also
identified deficiencies and lmpd's response to an investigation of domestic

(55:22):
violence and sexual assault. LMPD has relied heavily on pretextual
traffic stops in black neighborhoods. In these stops, officers use
the pretense of making a stop from minor traffic offense
in order to investigate for other crimes. Some officers have

(55:42):
demonstrated disrespect for the people they are sworn to protect.
Some have videotaped themselves throwing drinks at pedestrians from their cars,
insulted people with disabilities, and called black people, monkey, animal,
and boy. This conduct is unacceptable, is heartbreaking. It erodes

(56:10):
the community trust necessary for effective policing, and it is
an affront to the vast majority of officers who put
their lives on the line every day to serve Louisville
with honor. Folks. But all of that, some folk need
to be under arrest, all those constitutional violations. I gotta

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(01:00:36):
civil rights leaders are dismayed about the FCC Media Bureau's
decision to designate ten Center General's proposed eight point six
billion dollars acquisition of the Technic TV Station Group for
an administrative hearing. Hazel duke's president of the NAACP New
York State Conference and former NAACP National President, wrote to
FCC Chair Jessica Rosenwall to express her concern with a

(01:01:00):
decision to put the merger before an administrative law judge,
which could many say killed the deal. She wrote, I'm
a Paul that we still use this type of incendiary
language to define a person. First of all, she's speaking
about when the Standard General's leader, Sue Kim was called
not the right kind of minority. She wrote, I am
appalled that we still use this type of incendiary language

(01:01:22):
to define a person of color who attempts to enter
a particular club they are not traditional members. Despite awaiting
approval from the Photo Communications Commission FCC for approximately a year,
the deal has been given yet another reglatory hurdle in
place before an administrative law judge at the FCC. This
action was deliberate and malicious and only happened because some

(01:01:45):
deemed Sue Kim not to be the right type of minority.
In a time when equity is the watchword, this is unacceptable.
Now Standard General would acquire Techno sixty four TV stations
and other sets for most of the year. For first
of all, most of the year have approved. The FCC's
Media Bureau is concerned the proposed transaction could artificially raise

(01:02:08):
consumer prices and result in job losses. The News Guilds CWA,
the National Association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians file petitions
to deny the deal. National Association Black on Broadcasters as
well as reverend S Jackson's able to push support the
deal as well. We also Scott have a partnership with

(01:02:28):
Sue Kim in case this deal closes. I mean, this
is one of those things that what Dukes and others
of saying the full FCC should vote on this. That
should be a public hearing. It should be they should
discuss this and vote on this thing openly versus having
go to an administrative judge. And when the reality is
this here, Sue Kim was a Korean American. He's been
looking to partner with us and others been black on media.

(01:02:51):
This is a perfect example of minorities being able to
own major television stations. And so folks like Hazel Dukes
and myself say, have a full, honest, open hearing, put
everything out on the table and let the FCC vote.
I think you're mute. Sorry. Hazel Duke's been fighting for

(01:03:14):
black people for a long time. It's a big deal
for her to sign on to this, to that letter.
The reality what I don't understand, it's on a democratic
administration and to put it into an administrative hearing, Robert
means that for whatever reason, they don't want the commission
to to to bless it. They want to put it

(01:03:35):
into an independent party that may or may not bless it.
I'm a little concerned what they're trying to hide or
what they're trying to do by not approving this deal.
But it seems to have a ton of support by
civil rights organizations as well as people of color and
a new potential owner that is willing to do business

(01:03:56):
and share ownership with black people and brown people around
the country. It just really doesn't make any sense. There's
another storyline here that nobody's talking about. Here's my issue here, Rebecca.
You're the f SEC commissioners. You've been appointed by President Biden.
This is what you're supposed to do. Right, Have they
hearing make a decision? Vote? Yeah? I don't understand this.

(01:04:20):
I don't remember Sinclair Broadcasting Company having to go through
all this scrutiny, So I don't understand why the FCC
just wouldn't consider this un the regular order instead of
having it go to a ministrator. So far, I haven't
seen anything that justifies the FEC taking this route. Robert, Well,

(01:04:40):
you know what I think, going back to kind of
mentioned the last story, in this story together. I think
what might have to happen is we might need a
black person to start primarying Joe Biden. Now, we need
a black candidate to go down to South Carolina where
the Democratic primary starts in twenty twenty four, and start
running and file the paperwork, just like if Mary Ann

(01:05:02):
Williamson did announced they are running and start putting him
some numbers down in South Carolina right now, because apparently
this administration does not take the needs of African American spiracy.
They think they can just walk across the bridge, they
can take a couple of pictures, you know, they can
do the other stuff, But when it comes down to
the nitty gritty actually serving your constituency, for some reason,

(01:05:24):
that seems to fall off. So apparently nobody's going to
pay attention until you have a primary challenge or financial
opportunity to take votes away from the sitting president. I
think that's when all of a sudden, you see these
things are opening up. We're seeing that on the Republican
side of the aisle, where you're having people who are
opening openly challenging President Trump, and they're dragging him further

(01:05:44):
and further, even more extreme than Trump was in the
first place. He's having to get more extremely catch up
with the people in his base so he doesn't get
left behind. So if twenty Republicans in the House can
drag the entire Republican Party to their side of their
side of the issue, I don't see why. African Americans, being,
as they always say, the backbone of the Democratic Party

(01:06:05):
the most important base. We grew up in the black community.
I was raised in the Black church. Have the FCC
vote on this, Have the Department of Justice that have
the Senate Judiciary Committee investigate police brutality, investigate abuse in prisons.
Those things can be done on the administrative level. They
do not require Republicans. You can't say, Mago Republicans are

(01:06:26):
blocking from taking place. You can't say this is the
fault to Marjorie Taylor Green and the Magots and the
Team Party, etc. These are Democrats not taking black people seriously.
So they're not going to take you seriously. That it's
time for you to demonstrate to them your importance. Because
at the end of the day, if black folks did
the exact same thing that the FEC was doing in
twenty twenty four, Republicans will win in a landslide. They'll

(01:06:48):
be in nineteen eighty four Reagan landslide if we decide
just to stay home. So maybe they need to be
reminded of who has the keys to the car before
they start making demands on what direction we go. Well,
first of all, Americans are not trying to buy Tegna.
So Sue Kim is the managing partner of Standard General
is a Korean American that who actually is leading this effort.
In fact, they have actually said they might threaten legal

(01:07:11):
action against the FCC Media Bureau when it comes to this.
This is a cable fax story. Go to my iPad please.
On Friday, they found a motion requesting that the ALJ
certified to the Full Commission an immediate application for review
of the bureau's hearing Designation order. If the ALJ doesn't
doesn't act to the motion, the companies intend to file
for relief directly with the FCC on March seventeenth, and,

(01:07:34):
if necessary, seek judicial review. The Media Bureau's decision to
issue the HDO is not just ten amount to denying
the transaction at issue in this proceeding without having to
reach a decision on the merits. There's absolutely a denial
without due process. This is what the broadcasters wrote again.
And there's a May twenty second deadline for a merger agreement.

(01:07:58):
And so we'll certainly give you keep your breast of
what's happening. Uh In Is there another bitter ruin? Is
there another bitter? Well? This is well, well, well, well,
the folks that attached to have already accepted, uh, the
offer from Standard General. There were others who were trying
to be bid on it. They accepted their bid. Uh
And so that's what's going on. And now now, of

(01:08:19):
course there are others out there who obviously would not
who would not want to see this go through because
they want to buy it themselves. So yeah, yeah, look
behind look behind that state in New York's because that's
what's going on too. I got you, folks. Uh. California
family is going to receive eight point two five billion
dollars after being unlawfully detained on their way to college.

(01:08:41):
A California jury found Alameda County's sheriff, Deputy Stephen Holland
and Monica Page liable for two point seven million to
Aliah Lauderville and two point seventy five million to her daughters. Uh.
The court increased the total damages because of the Bain Act,
which allows juries to quadruple damages awarded in cases involving

(01:09:06):
a violation of constitutional rights. In twenty nineteen, Holland violated
Lagerville and her daughter's constitutional rights after a traffic stop.
Holland told Lauerville he stopped her because he was investigating
car break ins. Lagerville refused identification because she had done
nothing wrong. Holland handcuffed her, handcuffed them and held them
in a patrol car without citing them for a crime,

(01:09:30):
and now they got to pay up. A California Bay
Area couple settled with a lawsuit with a white appraisal
company that valued their home below market rates because they
were black. We've heard this before. Paul and Tunisia Tate
Austin won an undisclosed settlement from the Fair Housing Advocates
of Northern California and Jette Miller, the owner of Miller

(01:09:53):
and Part Appraisers. Miller and Parate real estate Appraisers and
sent two employees to a praise the Tate Austin's Marion
County home within just a few weeks of each other
in twenty twenty. The first appraisal was at nine forty
five thousand. When the couple had a white friend posed
as the owner. The praisal company gave them a one

(01:10:16):
point five million dollars valuation. Following the win, Tenisia Tate
Austin made this statement, the ongoing undervaluation of homes and
black neighborhoods perpetuates the wealth gap between black and white families.
We hope by bringing attention to our case and this
lawsuit settlement, we can help change the way the appraisal

(01:10:38):
industry operates, that we can start to see a different trend,
their implications to our ability to create generational wealth or
passing things on if our houses a praise or fifty
percent less that right there, Robert. The point we've always
talked about, even when we do own a home, getting
screwed over on this type of issue. And I want

(01:10:58):
people also to understand that this is not just a
micro issue as an individualized families and the lack of
generation wealth that's created. It is a macro issue because
home property taxes that are based upon the home ownership
or finance their schools. So when you are systemically undervaluing
black homes, you are robbing students of the financing needed

(01:11:20):
to have top flight schools in those communities. When you're
looking at the long term ramifications, if you're taking away
the equity that people can pull out of their homes
in order to finance businesses, in order to finance inventions
other things. Or this is when we talk about systemic racism,
and people think that we're saying, well, everybody within the
system is racist. No, when you're talking about systemic racism,

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we're talking about the fact that if you pull one
brick out of the wall, then the entire wall collapses
upon itself. And because you have this system and this
family is not an isolated incident, you can go to
any black community in this country, any well to do
in wealthy black community in this country, and run the
same thing. I dare anybody in Prince George's County and
the Cab County and South Fulton in Atlanta to don't

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get some white friends to come in and pretend to
be to pretend to live in your house and pretend
to be your neighbors and see what the appraisal is.
And when you do that, you realize that much of
what happens in America is based off of a system
that is intrinsically against the progress that advance from the
African America. And this is why we have to break
these system down, not just the individual actors. Scott. When

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you look at this is go to my iPad please.
This is a story in the New York Times from
November where the federal researchers looked at a lot of data. Here,
they pull forty seven million of praiser reports white homeowners
can expect their home values to increase at twice the
rate of homeowners of color. They start confirmation of systemic

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racial buyas at home appraisals. This particular report looked at
again census track data and what they did was they
compared similar home was analyzing the millions of appraisals by
using census tracks as a proxy for neighborhoods and comparing
communities with nearly identical housing stock. Two researchers found that

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the results showed a clear correlation the higher the proportion
of white residents in each community, the higher the appraised
value of individual homes. And there's a lawsuit I believe
in California against the Major Bank for similar not appraisals.
But when you refinanced your house if you owned it

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due to COVID, you could refinancial house and pull money out.
The approvals for black people who owned homes was like
fifty percent less than what white people could pull out
of their homes. But this is a powerful racism right here.
Rolling This is just an average racism. This is the
appraisal process listening what white people are telling us, what

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the system says, that the mere fact that black people
live in a house in a neighborhood, black or white neighborhood.
That the mere fact that you're black and you live
in a home along with all these other homes around you,
that alone brings the value of your home down, which

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is an enhandiment object. Basically, you got lots of homes
around you, the neighborhood, all the comparative sales. What an
appraiser goes through has nothing to do with race. It
has to do with comparable sales and whether you've improved
the house or not. But none of that is more
powerful than racism. Because you or me living that home,

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that is incredible. That's incredible. And I bet you they
settled that case for half a million dollars. I bet
you they did because that was the gap between black
folks and the white lady that came in and put
their pictures up and stuff. They staged this. It was
really clever on their part and not knowing what the
result would be. Booyah, ain't about a half a million

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dollar more. That's racism. It's pures full and pure evidence.
The thing that's quite interesting I had a debate with
conservative Patrick Bett David Rebecca. He calls himself an independent,
he's not. He was giving me nothing but right wing
maga talking points, and he tried to suggest that I
was a victim. And the thing that was hilarious is

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that when I pull up this data because it's systemic racism,
he goes, well, I just don't believe it. And I'm going, oh,
so you just want to just easy to dismiss it.
And I'm going they pulled forty seven million reports, but
you're like a like, I just want to believe it.
I mean, this is the issue that we have where
even when you show these folks to prove, they don't
want to believe it. Well, there are a lot of

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people who are uncomfortable with dealing with what systemic racism is. Instead,
they want to talk about it on the micro level
they were personally, I've never experienced anything like that, or
I know some good white people. So therefore issues in
this country. But here's the thing, this is the other
reason to support reparations in this country, because reparations isn't

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just about being a descendant of American slavery, but it's
also about the fact that we're still dealing with economic
consequences by the sheer fact that we're black in this country.
So those twos need to be addressed. I wish more
Americans would understand systemic rates of them. I wish we
had something like critical race theory which could explain all

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of these large issues that are having to Black Americans
on the day to day basis. But this, I mean, look, Scott,
it was probably five hundred and twenty five thousand dollars,
to be exact in that particular selement, because that was
the amount that they were undervalued. Well, if I could
find y'all to part in this video, well, I just

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started schooling Homeboy on the data. It was so funny,
how Patrick, just like, oh my god, I just don't
I just don't believe it. I just don't believe it. Uh,
if if y'all want to see for yourself, Uh, it
really was. It really was pretty embarrassing y'all to have
to sit here, uh in school. Homie on the real

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deal of systemic racism in housing and and his whole
deal was like democrats run these cities where crime is high.
And I keep saying food. If you want to deal
with crime in America, you better look at poverty and education.
It just don't happen by happenstance, gotta go to break pace. Rely,
watch this. Why do white people want to school black

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people on what racism is because they are the least qualified,
because they've never been victimized, because they want to deny
it actually exists. That's why. No, no, no, no. First
of all, hold, hold, I'm gonna I'm gonna deal with
that when we come back as well. Uh, deal with
the issue of racism and the Mormon Church. Yeah, wait

(01:17:56):
till we break this down for you. You're watching Rolling
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(01:18:16):
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(01:18:42):
with me Greg Carr, we featured the brand new work
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and doctor Lievia Watkins, our Legal Roundtable team, join us

(01:19:04):
to explore the paper that I guarantee is going to
prompt a major hid in our culture. You crystallize it
by saying, who are we to other people? Who are
African people to others? Governance is oward thing. Who are
we to each other? The structures we create for ourselves,

(01:19:25):
how we order the universes African people. That's next on
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everyone is Pierre here. Hi, I'm talk I'm Coco and
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(01:19:47):
watching Roland Martin unfilter um asking me run it in
body and asking me run it in body, and asking

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me run it in fact, and asking me run it
in body, and asking me run it in body, and
asking me run in body, and asking me run it
in body, and basking run it in body and asking

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me run it in body and asking me run it
in body, and asking me run in and asking me
run in body. All right, folks, three percent of all
Mormons are African American. Yet nine percent of the converts

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to Mormonism are African American. But they have a very
long trouble to history of the issue of race. My
next guest American. My next guest who is an ex
Mormon Auchinbach Jose's right now, and she was told you
can't marry somebody white Joseph's now of American fork Utah

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that they have on the show. So you were actually
told that by church officials? Yes, so you were. So
were you engaged with someone, were you dating somebody? Or
were you just inquiring as to who you can marry?
So all of the above. So I joined the church
when I was eighteen, and it's big to get married

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in the temples when y're a Mormon. But the problem
is is that they were teaching that they're white, you know,
males not to marry black people or anybody not to
marry outside their race. You know, they didn't want blacks
and black people and white people mixing because they said
black people were cursed. So this is this was actual
teachings where you were going to temple? Yes, and when

(01:22:13):
was this? Like how recent was this? So nineteen ninety
is when I joined. But the teaching is still the same,
that black people are cursed and that black people and
white people should have mixed. And they said that was
because of the curse of King, because Kane and Abel.
When Kan killed Abel, he received the curse and the

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curse is put on black people from King where descendants
of King? Okay, so okay, so why didn't you inquire
as to who you could marry? They told me so
when I was eighteen and I joined. Of course I'm
dating age, and so I'm trying, hello, hello, you join

(01:22:55):
when you're eighteen? How long ago? Was that? A long
time ago? I'm fifty one? Got all right? So when
did so? When did you when did you leave the church. Um,
and when did you why didn't you inquire about who
you could marry? And when did you leave the church? Okay,
so I left the church probably twenty sixteen is when

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I really left. But when it's a culture, when you
join when you're eighteen, you joined the church. I even
went on an Elis mission. And so when you're dating, um,
they tell you who you're supposed to be dating. You
need to date other members of the church, so you
could be married in the temple. Only other members could
be married in the temple. Well, the thing about that

(01:23:39):
is sure, you know you could get married in the temple,
but they said that I needed to find a black man.
But there wasn't a lot of black people in the church. Actually,
there was no black people in the church where I was.
Even on my mission, there was no black mills. So
you know, I did marry a black mill. He was
a member of the church, but we didn't get married

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in the temple, and that marriage didn't last. Do you
believe that Mormon Church continues to have a problem with race. Absolutely?
How So, well, twenty sixteen I finally realized they weren't
going to learn. They weren't going to learn, so joining
at eighteen, I'm you know, I have an eighteen year
old mind, so twenty sixteen I have a you know,

(01:24:26):
a different mind. And so when President Trump became president,
then I was able to see really for sure how
people really thought. A lot of things were said to
my face, but not as strong as it was in
twenty sixteen. They didn't care. They cared before, kind of like,
you know, maybe I shouldn't say anything, or maybe I

(01:24:48):
should say it this way God deemed it so, But
twenty sixteen they did not care at all. Got you
questions from my pana, Rebecca. You first, okay, so I
have a few questions, not just with your particular experience,
but what even drew you into the Mormon Church, especially

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considering that one of the tenants of Mormon theology up
until the seventies, white black folks couldn't get into heaven
according to Mormon theology, or that righteous black folks and
the afterlife would somehow become white because of the curse
of pain and curse of him. You know, how, what
attracted you to the Mormon Church at eighteen and what

(01:25:32):
caused you to stay up until twenty sixteen? Good question? So, yeah,
the thing So I'm eighteen. I'm from San Antonio, Texas,
which is a Bible belt. So I grew up, you know,
going to a black church. Well, I had a bunch
of questions, and where I grew up, you can't ask questions.
You just do what you're told. You mind your elders.

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But I had a cry accident and I wanted to
know what would happen if I were to die, and
everyone just telling me, you know, God, God will provide,
God will provide. Well, I met some more missionaries and
they gave me different answers. They said, well, this is
what will happen when you die, and a lot of
love bombing. But what people don't understand is Mormons had

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six discussions. They don't teach you that you're going to
be white in the afterlife. They do not teach you
about the curse of King. They don't teach you any racism.
They teach you six discussions that talk about Jesus Christ,
Joseph Smith, and God. It's later on that you start
learning the other things. Well, by then you're already in it.

(01:26:36):
You think that maybe something's wrong with you. You're taught
not to question God, that God knows more than you,
and that other people know more than you. And as
an eighteen year old kid, that made sense to me.
I didn't like it. But you know, little by little
you start hearing different things. I went on a mission
thinking that's what God wanted, you wanted me to do,

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and then you, I guess it's like like a bad marriage.
You know, you try to take the good stuff and
go with the bad. You know, you're thinking it can't
be that bad. Maybe this isn't true, maybe this is
God's church and that these people are just bad. M
It's not Robert. You know. I think people often when

(01:27:19):
they're not part of a religious tradition or aren't part
of a kind of social group, tend to judge and say, well,
how could you do that? I think it as you
were talking, I'm thinking back to my own upbringing is
being like Southern Baptists, And I say Southern Batis, I'm
not talking about the Southern Baptist Now, some of that
real old school Southern Baptist where they thought of women,
showed their ankles, they were prostitutes. That kind of Southern

(01:27:41):
Baptist that I was raised into and kind of growing
out of that. What advice would you give to people
who maybe did come up with an upbringing, whether Mormon
or any other religion that's very strictive, very judgmental, very
kind of delitarious to their mental health going forward, as
to how they can get out of that and kind
of find theirselfs and develop their own relationship with whatever

(01:28:01):
deity or spirituality they find later on, but not being
so restricted and so called into what they were taught
growing up. I would tell them to think about what's
important to them. When they stopped caring about what other
people think and they just start thinking about what makes
sense to them and not what they were taught, it's
going to be easier for them. And I think for me, finally,

(01:28:23):
not caring what people thought made it easy for me
to lead because Mormonism is huge, and that is culture.
You're broken away from everyone, You're taken away from your family,
you're taken away from your friends because you're taught that
this is the only true church and that God. They
I believe what I was taught, that they had actual

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prophets and apostles that were walking this earth, that they
were literally talking to God. Yes, I believe that, and
so I believe what they taught me, which is this
is the only true church and all the other ones
have some truth, but we have the authority and so
I believe that. So I would tell people start thinking
for yourself. Don't think about what your parents, your friends,
your boyfriends, your kids taught you. What do you think?

(01:29:09):
What makes sense to you? And do you need religion?
Like do you really need that? What do you need
what actually makes you happy, not what your parents told
you or how you were brought up or your community,
because remember religion is a community. You lose a lot.
I lost a lot when I left that church because
I had lost before my aunties, my uncles, they weren't

(01:29:32):
happy of me joining the Mormon Church when I had
a Methodist preach your uncle, so, Scott, Yeah, so, but
what was it about Mormonism? You were in that church
for thirty plus years? What was it about Mormonism that
kept you there for so long despite the racism? And secondly,

(01:29:53):
by telling this story, now, what are you hoping the
future Mormonism is? Or do you There's a lot of questions.
So first of all, I do care. What I care
about is truth. What I care about is awareness. You know,
every time something happened. I would try to question them
and they would shut me down and saying that I

(01:30:15):
wasn't spiritual enough, that I didn't believe in God. And
so that messages with you. You're thinking, wait a minute,
it's a huge church. There are some black people in it.
Maybe it is me, you know, maybe it is me.
I don't have parents with me talking to me about it.
I don't have auntie's cousins, aunts, uncles. It's me using

(01:30:38):
my own experiences trying to figure out what's going on here.
It has some truth because of this, But what drew
me to Mormonism at the time as an eighteen year old,
You know, if you're having a hard time growing up,
you've got a lot of stuff. Going to San Antonio,
it was high crime. There was a lot of things
happening there. These people love bomb me. They told me

(01:31:00):
that I was going to have a great life, that
they're going to be there for me. They took me
to dinner, they bought me. I'll admit that. They would
take me places. I would spend a night at their house.
They it was great like and they seem to have
great marriages. I didn't see any fighting and cussing which
I grew up around. So to me, I was like,
maybe they're right. And you know, it was like I

(01:31:24):
was telling my husband, it was like when I was
going to the other churches and ask questions, I got
in a lot of trouble. But when I went to
this church and had questions, they answered them, except when
it was about race. But I just thought, when they
tell me it's just something you don't understand right now.
God's going to help you later and the afterlife You're
going to understand everything. Which is weird because if you

(01:31:46):
think about it, if there was profited apostles, they should
have had those answers. But I took it. And so
what I would tell people now is that it's not
a safe place for black people. It just isn't. Did
you visually answered by the white maned black? I married
somebody black. First, I married a black man, and now

(01:32:06):
I'm married to a white man. All right, Well, church,
does do have a follow up question? Rebecca? I got,
I got, I'm out of time, but okay, twenty seconds,
real quick. Sure. So in twenty twelve, when Mitch Romney
became the Republican nominee, I noticed and it seemed like
the Mormon Church was trying to do some rebranding. You

(01:32:27):
were still in the church in twenty twelve. Is that
something that you noticed from the inside. Yes, they tried,
and I know that they even gave some money to
the NAACP, which didn't sit right with me because I
told them, just because you gave money to the NAACP
doesn't mean that you're supporting black people. You're supporting your
your financially giving money to the NAACP. You should be

(01:32:49):
helping the black members within your congregation and address those issues. So, yeah,
there was a lot of rebranding. All right, appreciate it,
Thanks a lot. You're welcome. All right, folks, coming up next,
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is sheer Lee Ralph and you are watching Roland Martin.
Unsilted California man caught on tape trying to run over

(01:35:30):
his neighbor is facing a hate crime charge. In this
December twenty one surveillance video, a Quail Kahn runs over
Corey Brown, a black man, six times. Cohn is serving
town with the Alemeda County Santa Rita jail on charters
or attempted homicide an assault with a deadly weapon. Tuesday,
element to County in DA's office tacked on the hate

(01:35:51):
crime charters after further evidence found the KHN vandalized Brown's
car with racial slurs, made racist threats, and that previously
attempted physical assault. Is the second time Con has been
charged with an assault and hate crime, and August twenty
twenty one, Con allegedly beat an Indian woman for speaking Hindy,
punching her in the face until she lost consciousness. Yeah,

(01:36:12):
I think his ass need to be in jail, Robert, Yeah,
that's a bare minimum. I was just reading through the
story and I'm trying to understand why does it take
so long to route these people out? Why did they
have to get they first try, a second try, a
third try. It seems as long as you don't kill
the person the first time, then you get a pass.
In America, and until we start taking these issues seriously,

(01:36:34):
started treating everybody the same way, we're going to continue
to have these issues. Gonda guarantee you that that had
been he beat a little blonde hair, blue eyed, white
girl named Megan half to death, that he would have
had a second try to do this again. It's look,
you got hate in America, and it's real, all right, y'all.

(01:36:55):
Hundreds rally and for justice in New Jersey after a
police involved shooting keys another black man, violence individual specialist,
Nagi Seabrooks, was killed during a four hour altercation with police.
Seabrooks was experiencing a mental health crisis on Friday when
he barricaded himself in his Patterson, New Jersey, apartment while
wielding two knives when police shot him. Protesters rallied on

(01:37:16):
tuos to demand determination the officers involved in the shooting
and the release of body camera recordings of the incident.
Patterson Healing Collective members where Seabrooks work say they pleaded
with police to let them speak with Seabrooks, but the
officers refused. Our team of crisis. Oh, y'all gotta be

(01:37:38):
a police to allow us to help, but they repeatedly denied.
You're gonna let audio know a sound bite's coming up.
Fifty Patterson residents since our inception, the police refused to
let us help our own brother in crisis, citing a
supposed ag guideline. If the police had a lot our
trained professionals to handle the situation, our brother would still

(01:37:58):
be alive. The New Jersey turning Joal's officers investigating this incident,
this is what I do not understand, Rebecca. Why do
you have officers on the scene where you have someone
with a mental crisis and you don't have mental health

(01:38:18):
experts leading it, and you don't let folk who the
person know be involved to calm them down. This gull
brother literally worked for a health collective, So the people
who showed up on the scene to actually assist were
people who knew him intimately, also his co workers, and
they were also they had the ability and the wherewithal

(01:38:41):
to have intervened in the situation. He should still be alive.
And one thing that I wanted to ask the police
chief of Louis lull earlier today. One thing that I
think we need to be asking all of law enforcement
what is the future of policing? What should public safety
look like? Because that's what all of us in the
community is. Oh what we're asked them, but we need
to hear from them. What is their answer because clearly

(01:39:04):
what we're doing now in this country is not working.
Too many people are dying at the hands of the
police and it doesn't make sense. And the fact that
they kiddingly release the body camera, I'm like, what are
they waiting for? I really don't quite understand why these
things continue to happen. Let's go to Washington, DC Way.
Former Washington DC police officer sergeant is charged with second

(01:39:26):
degree murdered and a federal civil rights violation the shooting
death of a man in two thousand and twenty one.
On Tuesday, Enis Jeffrick pleaded not guilty to the charges.
A judge released him on personal recononisence. Jefrick shot and
kill a twenty seventy year old Antoine Gilmore, who was
asleep in a car with a gun in his waistband

(01:39:48):
Blocking traffic officers tapped up Gilmore's window, waking him up.
Gilmore took off in the car. Jervic fired several shots
into the moving vehicle, which against DC police policy. Jeffrick
has been placed on paid abistrative leave since the shooting.
The department confirmed he is facing life in prison. I okay,

(01:40:10):
you're volleying department policy. Hell yell, you should be charged, Scott.
They didn't know, they didn't even know the police policy.
They saw the gun, and that frees them from any
type of discipline or discretion or any common sense. When
the car begins to move, that's another matter. That frees

(01:40:31):
them from any logical discretion or independent thought because they
automatically think it's a threat to them. And I can
empty my nine millimeter into a moving car with a
gentleman who was sleep. You have him contained, and because
he's got a gun, he's not threatening you with that gun.
You're gonna lie and say that in your report, but

(01:40:53):
that's not exactly what happened here. And he's dead. What
is the rush with these police officers. Thee was in
no danger of getting away yet three four or five
police cars there, Just like in your prior case with
the mental health breakdown, he barricaded himself in what was
the rush. But when you let the people help him,

(01:41:15):
they just have no independent judgment. You don't have a
sergeant on. They're in a big rush. They want to
use deadly force. That's the problem with who you hire
and how you train them. That's the real problem. Great
example and role, just real quickly on that same issue.
This is what my issue is with the white pro

(01:41:38):
Second Amendment crowd, because the NRRA should be intervening on
behalf of this individual who was shot. Because if you
are a pro gun quote unquote a lobbying organization, they
have a legal defense fund, then what you should be
doing is fighting for the rights of individuals who are
firearms owners. But no, they do not stand up for
people who are firearms owners. They stand up for white
people in white supremacy in the gun industry. They don't

(01:42:00):
give a damn about black gun owners because if they did,
they will see a situation like this and say, well,
we can I have law enforcement shooting people simply for
possessing guns. We are a pro gun organization. We saw
the same thing from Undo Castillo. We saw the same
thing I Will Crawford in the Walmart case. They only
stand up when it's time to protect the profits of
gun companies and it's time to stand up for white supremacy.

(01:42:23):
And that's why I tell people all the time, do
not join many of these white pro Second Amendment organizations.
Take your black dollars, take your your interests to NAGA
into some of the other black black gunners over America
who are actually working for African American Second Amendment advocates. Uh,
folks before, but not Scott Scott. Scott Scott chill a

(01:42:46):
whole time, precisely. Damn it, guy Lee, settle yourself now
before I go to break. You go to Atlanta. You
can now see the eight foot bronze statue of civil
Rights Laminaries or don A Clayton. It was unveiled in
Jernonna Clayton Plaza. The ninety two year old was there
to witness the unveiling of her statue. Of course, she

(01:43:07):
was very much involved with the movement, working for Doctor
King the Southern Christian Leadership Conference along with her husband.
In the mid sixties. She went on to become a
luminary in television broadcasting. She created the Trumpet Awards. She
also traveled with Curtis Scott Kling Curtis Scott King. She
became the first black person with her own TV show
in the South in nineteen to sixty seven, Spend thirty Yes,
a turn of broadcasting. And again, so she's on affair,

(01:43:30):
and I'm sure Robert, one of her many boyfriends, were there.
Those of y'all who knows Arena Clayton. She loves loves
to count all the brothers out here who she calls
her boyfriends, me included. She is an amazing woman and
be glad to see she being honored there in Atlanta
for all of her great work. So congratulations zern Owner.

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We have seen white folks in this country who simply
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and made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been.
But Carold Anderson at every university calls white rage as
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know it or not, from politics to music and entertainment.
It's a huge part of our lives. And we're going
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Hammond and you're watching Roland Martin my man unfiltered. All right,

(01:46:22):
folks out, when you think of gaming. Many people would
not believe that would be something that girls would find attractive.
That is simply not the case. A significant number of
girls and boys are into gaming, but they also look
at gaming differently. My next guest created a virtual universe
specifically for the girl in you and the girl in
your life, where celebration internationally women Women's Day, and we're

(01:46:44):
talking here with founder and CEO of Royal's Gaming for Girls,
Chief Girl crusader U Muka. First of all, let's prodounce
your last name. First of all, it's Muka, Mikaoti Keimoto.
You've got it right, really, Ahi Ahi, just making sure
a good Okay, here we go. All right, So, first

(01:47:05):
of all, how did you embark on this path for
this particular game? I love that question, Thank you so much.
So you hit the nail on the head. We believe
at Royals that all girls deserve to be bold and
fearless and undaunted in their pursuit of their greatest potential.
And we realize very early on, I happen to be
a mom of a gamer girl, and realize very early

(01:47:28):
on that our kids as young as two are spending
upwards of six hours a day on a mobile device.
Whether it's a smartphone or a tablet, and the realities
of the pandemic coupled with this increased digital media consumption
have resulted in a crisis in my opinion, of unprecedented proportions.
Our kids are experiencing depression and isolation, cyberbullying and body

(01:47:50):
shame and poor self esteem and limiting mindsets around who
they are and what is possible for them, and girls
in particular seem to be disproportionately impacted. As a parent,
you can imagine, I have been looking for solutions that
would offer more than just the pure entertainment mobile app
games that would inspire the girl in my life, my daughter,

(01:48:11):
and the girls within my community to beyond the entertainment
piece really recognize the potential that exists with them, and
particularly in leadership and steam. So that was really what
drove me to build this gaming platform that is targeted
at young girls four through twelve year olds with the
idea of driving them towards leadership. Paps in Science takes
how many different game on the platform? Sorry, how many

(01:48:34):
different games on the platform? Oh my god. We probably
have six or seven different adventures that they can explore.
Everything from a narrative that is anchored in a fierce
avatar persona Mara, who is on a mission to be
the first global peace ambassador and Commander in chief of
her peacekeeping forces in her land. She's born into royalty,

(01:48:56):
but has a big dream like all girls do, which
is to be on the first admission to Mars. So
the gamer or the learner, depending on who they are
in interacting the app, can delve into adventures, into quests,
into learning experiences that explore Mara's journey. They can check
out what a day in the life of a real astronaut,

(01:49:18):
a real NASA scientist, like a person who narrated Mara's story,
doctor Crystal Johnson, who's actually head of Technology and Research
Investments at NASA, what a day in her life looks like.
They can leverage tech that is built into their mobile
advice like augmented reality to being their avatar Parsona into
their actual play space and chat with that a persona

(01:49:41):
over a variety of really meaningful and inspiring topics. They
can even engage in real life activations events that bring
them virtually together with like minded girls from all over
the world to explore the various themes and lessons and
ideas that are built into the game. Fight play questions,
Ron Panel Rebecca your first first, Sure, can you talk

(01:50:01):
more about the gameplay? Is it like puzzles? Is it fantasy?
Is it action? Is it fighting? Like what type of
games or like story arts for your character can be
found within your platform? Yes, thank you for asking. So absolutely,
it's a combination of all those things. What we've done
is we've got actual narratives and stories that revolve around

(01:50:23):
the various avatar personas. Our current version of the game
is anchored in one avatar persona, but we've got thirteen
that we've built up, each with lives that revolve around science, tech, engineering,
the arts, and maps. So there's a story component, and
the gamer is immersed in that environment of that particular
avatar using three D technology and augmented reality technology and

(01:50:46):
some AI and voice that really makes it an immersive experience.
There are a lot of there's some puzzle type activities there.
There's an actual Mars adventure where the gamer actually travels
to Mars on a quest two Mars with their avatar
persona and gets to work with a rover that is
built to the specifications of the rovers that we actually

(01:51:07):
have on planet Mars at the moment, navigating that rover
over the terrain, learning about Planet Mars, having to solve
some challenges that astronauts traveling to the planet would have
to deal with once they landed on the planet, and
we're looking to establish a human presence there for an
extended period of time. There's even a quest that take

(01:51:28):
the avatar takes the gamer on to meet her real
life role models in science, tech, engineering, the arts, and math.
So this gamer can be a flying the wall in
conversations that the avatar has with the head of Tech
at NASA, or an ai guru at AWS, or a
clinical trials expert in the United Kingdom, even a gender
justice activist in South Africa. Leaders in their own right.

(01:51:51):
Real life human beings who are leading and thriving and
excelling in STEM and STEAM life paths who primarily are
females are not binary individuals. So it's a combination of
experiences that not only inspire them to explore STEM and
STEAM focused life paths, but also drive a sense of social,

(01:52:12):
emotional wellbeing and confidence and curiosity in exploring leadership pursuits ages. Robert, absolutely,
I think this is an outstanding. One thing I know is,
you know, when we were kids, we and my sister
play video games together all the time. But then when
we got to about eleven or twelve, her interest change.
That kept going. Then with my needs and my nephew

(01:52:33):
the same thing. They play video game together about nine
ten and then my needs kind of her interest change.
And what can be done to help girls in particular
to stay focused on these STEM and steam issues, stay
focused on gaming, and really be prepared for those The
economy of the future it's going to be built off
these digital platforms. Yeah, that's a great question. You know,

(01:52:53):
the research is telling us that gendered notions of intelligence
that are picked up really earlier affecting our girl's life pursuits.
In fact, I think the numbers say that as young
as six years old, girls are thinking that brilliance is
much more likely in boys. By middle school, their interest
in STEM and STEAM subjects plummet, so that by the
time they reach high school, very few of them are

(01:53:14):
actually exploring those career paths, those subjects, and ultimately those
career paths. Even though we know some of the most lucrative,
most impactful opportunities are in STEM and steam fields, and
I really feel like the way that we can influence
their mindsets is to meet them where they are, which
is in play. Play is how especially gamified play, that's
how they create, that's how they connect, that's how they learn,

(01:53:37):
that's how they have fun. Essentially, their entire worlds, whether
it is the social piece, the education piece, the entertainment piece,
revolves around that mobile device, and that's really what's driven
us towards building these gamified learning adventures that meet them
where they are, but then totally dismantle those erroneous perspectives
they have about who they are and what is possible,

(01:53:58):
especially girls, helping them see real life on the role models,
putting them in scenarios where beyond you know, jumping through hoops,
perhaps in a roadblocks or building something amazing in Minecraft,
we're connecting the dots to the possibility that that exists
for that girl as an an architect or as an engineer,
leveraging the same skills that she would engage with as

(01:54:21):
she's building and experience and having fun with some of
these other games. So I really feel that there's an
education component there as well as an empowerment piece, and
we can achieve that to Gami Fight Play, especially if
we leverage the technologies now that allow us to truly
immerse them in those worlds and help them feel a
part and parcel of the potential that the world's offer. Scott, Yeah, great,

(01:54:47):
these are great idea, great platform. Where do you see
the company and the platform going, let's say in five years?
Great concept, But what aren't you doing with the platform
that you see you and the company and the platform
doing five years from now? Yeah, a great question. So
right now, our first version, what do you experience if

(01:55:08):
you go to the app Store or Google Play and
download the app is version one that is anchored in
one avatar persona with limited customization. We're really excited about
the next phase of development that would include expanding our
digital personalization, customization and animated content offerings for each of
our avatar personas. And I mentioned they were thirteen or more.

(01:55:31):
So there's limitless opportunities for creative self expression and digital
collectibles and ft offerings, all those things that this sort
of next generation of gamers is really excited about. We're
also excited about bringing digital and physical merchandise to the experience,

(01:55:51):
including a first kind digital companion book that is built
on intersitive technology that really brings that experience to life,
but does it in a manner that is also aligned
with physical books and experiences that kids engage with at
school on a regular basis. And then I think that
there's been significant strides within the AI space that we're

(01:56:14):
excited about. We're really excited about building conversational AI into
the experience and leveraging natural language processing, you updated versions
of that, and custom machine learning and voice recognition technology
that will make for a smarter and more responsive and
a truly authentic exchange between our avatars and the gamers

(01:56:35):
and learners. So there's a lot to be excited about,
all right, then, well tell fos where check your games out.
Thank you so much. I would encourage you to please
go to Royals Dot app. That's ROI E l Ees
Dot app. Download the app. It's currently available on the
App Store and on Google Play, as well as just
recently on the Amazon App Store for fire tablets. Let

(01:56:57):
the gamers and learners in your life floor it, have
fun with it, and then also please join us in
an upcoming Royals Live activation to give us your feedback
on you the overall experience and let us know how
we can make it better. All right, Yes, we appreciate it.
Thanks a lot, Thank you so much, all right, Rebecca,

(01:57:18):
Robert Scott, thanks a bunch as well, folks. I'll see
you tomorrow right here on Rolling Bark Unfiltered on the
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