Do You Think He Really Got Shot?

In this episode, Gandhi talks all things “conspiracy” with Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown of the Stuff They Don’t Want You To Know podcast. Was President Trump really shot, why is the government buying so much land in certain areas, is there a connection between hip-hop music and privatized prison? The list goes on and on, so lock in.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Sauce on the side.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
What's up. It's Gandhi and I'm here with Diamond Hitter.
Hi Hi, And today I say this because I already
know what the podcast is going to be strap in.
Literally we have Ben Bollen and Noel Brown from the
Stuff They Don't Want You to Know podcast, which is
all about conspiracy theories, which is one of my favorite
things to talk about. I don't even know that they're

(00:27):
really conspiracy theories anymore. It's really just the did you
know the actual truth about this type of stuff? And
that's where we go wrong because we don't know.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
No, we don't know. Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I hate to be this person because you know, I
hate thee There are facts, but they're also alternate facts.
I don't know anything anymore. I don't know what I
believe about anything anymore. It's very genius the way that
this has all rolled out, which we've talked about a
million times, Diamond, is there anything specific that you wanted
to hear about.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I want to hear about whether or not Trump actually
got shot?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh you know that's up first. Yeah, we already know
speaking about facts. Did you see I just saw Oh shoot,
I just saw that one of the guys who wanted
to investigate that assassination attempt in Butler was got fired. Yeah,
interesting stuff. I'm sure Ben and Knowle have a lot
to say about it. Let's just get right to it.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Baby son of buds, get out of here. Leading off
with this because the stupid Jimmy Buppett theory.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Sorry, I think you're just fascinated because you're irritated by.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
A I'm you kind of irritating because of this. See
how by everybody sheep see you later? Who's a sheep
on his desk?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Andrew's hilarious?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
All right? I am with Ben and Nol from the
Stuff They Don't Want You To Know podcast. Hello guys, hiy,
thank you for joining. I've been waiting for you to
come back for over a year because I have so
much fun talking to you and in the last year plus,
the amount of things that have service.

Speaker 6 (02:05):
No notes, keep going, you know, definitely gives us job security.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
No question.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I mean, from the from the inane little thing like
I mean, it's not even comparatively it's inane. But I
would love to talk about the hollow Moon. I don't
know if you guys have any thoughts on that.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Yes, I think the moon landing was faked by Stanley Kubrick.
But because they he's such an odd tour they needed,
they had such a budget, they figured out the only
way to fake the moon landing was to go on
the moon and fake it there, Chris, that's actually happened, Layers.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
But then to the I was asking Ben this earlier.
I don't think President Trump got shot. I think that.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Got shot Wolverine.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
He just.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
Get shot like that. People who believe that story, I
have never seen someone be shot in real life, or
have never themselves been shot.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
They thought it was a photo because.

Speaker 6 (03:09):
It heals too quickly and cartilage right for anybody who's
been boxing or doesn't have a clip, it doesn't grow bad,
not that that way.

Speaker 7 (03:16):
So he would have had several rowdy notches.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Do you remember when that happened, Everyone you knew was
just immediately like, oh he's gonna win now. Yes, that
was what pushed it, And I think it was completely
staged for that very reason.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I mean everything about it from start to finish, and
who he is as a person. There's not a chance
in hell that if he thought there was still an
active shooter or multiples, because you don't know that quickly.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You don't know if it's contained.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
That his ass gets up in fist pumps.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
Yeah, that was the photo.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Let me tell you it was a great one. It's
on point now if you ever want it.

Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah, oh good. That was my next question. So what
did he say when you guys interviewed him about it?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, that would absolutely happen. First sure, I feel like
the first thing that would come out of my mouth
would immediately send him down the You're a very irresponsible, stupid.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Smile more to.

Speaker 6 (04:10):
You.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Don't smile?

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Why I was going to give you flawsheim shoes smile
for him like.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
A ten and a half. Dhi name.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Nobody's heard of it, nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Somebody knows. But I was showing Diamond a video the
other day because this is this is my evidence that
this never happened. Do you guys remember when he was
at some sort of rally and he was speaking and
someone yelled a long walk bark.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Ship himself.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
It's like like like different than usual, different it was.
It was.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
I was impressed with his agility at that moment.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
There's back out.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
Yeah, I was like I gotta give it to him. Man,
he's slippery. Good to know, you're so right.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
So Diamond had never seen that video. She didn't know
what I was talking about. So I showed her the video.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Will you come over to the mic for a second.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Have you seen the one where he gets scared by
the eagle? Yes?

Speaker 7 (05:00):
Have you seen the one where he gets This is
where you say which one?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right? So, Diamond, when you saw that video, because we
were talking about this specific conspiracy, and I said, I
just need you to watch this and then tell me
that this is the same man who jumped up and
fist pumped after being shot.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
What were your thoughts on the video?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
That was not the same man? He reacted very differently.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
And also, what we don't talk about enough is that
people rush you and you get pushed down to the ground.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
You wouldn't have let him do that, right, right.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
I actually have a friend who was in the Secret Service.
He said every single thing about that was wrong. He
said the fact that there were people on the premises
saying there's someone on the roof. What is this person
doing on the roof that everybody can see? And then
apparently agents climbed up there saw him didn't know what
to do, so just went about their business. Now he
allegedly gets shot. You hear shots, he goes down on

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the ground. He said, their job is to stay on
top of him no matter what, like dog pile.

Speaker 7 (05:58):
Yes, should be human shields at that point.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And now when you see it from all the different angles,
it's just outrageous. And that dude, if he actually got shot,
there's nothing we would ever hear about besides that.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Do you the Maxi pad on his.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Head also where they were wearing it in support shot.

Speaker 6 (06:22):
But then when the news cycle moved on, that old
grift was gone, because there's always a new grift, like
an ass scene on TV infomercial always.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
So that was just one in Diamond and I have
been having so much fun with it. I remember where
I was when I heard the news. It was June thirteenth.
I was in my friend's car. We were going to
dinner and this news comes out, Oh, Donald Trump got shot.
I said, no, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Please, please, nobody believes this.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
He's alive, He's this didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It was.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
It was awkward with us because we live in uh
somewhat of a bubbled environment, like we don't know what
people would consider expected or unexpected, because we spend our
lives immersed in this kind of stuff. And it was
awkward on our group chat. I remember one of us
hit up the chat and said, hey, guys, Donald Trump

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got shot, and then we had that awkward moment where
you see the three dots from everyone in the group
text because we're like, who's gonna ask first, Who's gonna
ask first?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
I remember where I was too, and I just remember
immediately thinking, Oh, he's won, this is it, this is done.

Speaker 7 (07:26):
If he survives, he's won.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was wild, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
I mean, I sit here and now I'm that person
who when I meet a new person, I hate small
talk in general. So one of my favorite things to
do is, so, what's your favorite conspiracy theory? Yeah, and
it seems like so many people are just on the
same page now as far as you know, so much
has happened that there's nothing I wouldn't believe is possible,

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which is a fascinating place to be at in life.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
It's making comedy really hard. I'm told no, no, like
I think it was. Conan was talking about how when
the news is that level of absurd. There isn't enough
removed to satirize it because it's just too sets your
acle already, so you have to find a new way
to kind of like poke fun at it and requiring

(08:11):
some real outside of the box thinking.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Yeah, comics are our friends who are like writers for
Saturday Night Live are going through the same thing where
they're having these dark knights of the soul, you know,
on Thursday nights wherever they're whenever, they're pushing the deadlight
and they're like, is it irresponsible of us to have
cold opens with the Donald Trump impersonator.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
Even though he's really good?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Like, are we pass the point where this is something
we can make fun of?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
We're gonna do cry.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I think his cabinet is like fair game, but like
him himself, he's just too cartoonish to make fun of directly.
Wouldn't you say they've pivoted away from future?

Speaker 7 (08:53):
They have?

Speaker 6 (08:54):
We have, we have it, We have that confirmed, and
I think it's better for the show, not the Lord
Michael's asking us every day.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
You know, that's a once a month call it best.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
But but I agree with you that there we say
it oft on the show, there is no humor like
gallows humor.

Speaker 7 (09:10):
There is no whistle like a graveyard whistle.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
Sometimes if you can't find something to laugh at, things
will get even darker than they felt at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
So I think so too. And let me tell you,
this feels like the darkest time I can remember in
my entire life. Okay, I'm glad that people are directly speaking.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I mean, I'm trying to think of something to compare
it to without being too hyperbolic. Well, I mean, I
can think of one, but if I say it, it's
going to be too hyper button.

Speaker 6 (09:35):
Can't say that yielded age leading to great depressions of Chicago,
the overthrow of the US government.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
The government, the mad Emperor of Rome, you know it?
And burns. Yeah, I guess we named a handful.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
You did You did name something without having.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
To resort to the N word?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (09:57):
The other one?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, I don't know when Nazi became the N word
like it's a thing. It's it's why just because you
don't want me to call you that, because you might
be that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Mean that it's suddenly a horrible word.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
That's crazy, completely agree. I guess I'm just trying to
avoid it personally because it feels too on the nose,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
And people like you're being dramatic.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm like, how I tell me where I'm being dramatic
because it's the same rise, it's the same group of people,
it's the same ideology, it's the same like dehumanizing of
certain groups of people to make them less than and
then attack them all the while the elites are just
dancing and doing whatever they want to do, while we're
all fighting each other.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
I think about it this way, and I agree with
you there, noel I think about it like this. Let's
say I came up to someone and I met them
at a pizza shop and they owned the pizza shop
and they make pizza, and I say, okay, you're a
pizza guy.

Speaker 7 (10:53):
And they say, no, how dare you?

Speaker 6 (10:55):
I just own a pizza shop and I make pizza
every day.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
You're being fucking alarmist and.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
In the basement, don't.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
So we're clear pizza shop, which doesn't make me a
pizza guy.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Come on, I don't think that shop had a basement, right?

Speaker 7 (11:14):
It wasn't that the day that one didn't know we should.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Talk about some new pizza gated.

Speaker 7 (11:18):
Stuff would okay.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
So again, Diamond and I were talking about how when
January sixth popped off and a lot of it, you know,
stole an election and Pizzagate and all these things. At
that time, I was like, wow, pizza Gate, you people
sound bad shit crazy.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
That's nuts.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I read about it. I was like, there's no way
that this is going on.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Fast forward to where we are now, and I'm like, okay,
So pizza Gate was a thing. They just got it
wrong as far as you know what they were attacking
and who they were attacking in why.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know that they got it wrong. I think
the right even through Epstein and his in Glene Maxwell's
relationship with Reddit and four Chan, pushed that stuff out
blame the other side to deflect it from them, because
the same thing was going on with the Epstein files.
They put out just enough bad stuff to be like, look,

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we did the thing. We gave you the bad stuff,
but they didn't give you the real bad stuff, and
it sort of clouds the whole argument. It sort of
muddies the water where it's like floods the zone, floods
of the zone.

Speaker 7 (12:17):
That's what Steve Bannon calls they have.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Been so good at flooding the zone, which I have
said so many times. They have one hundred different things
that they have come at you with that are all insane. Yes,
And now, as human beings, you can only really comprehend
so much and try and deal with so much. You
can't chase down one hundred different trails, and it feels overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
So everybody just stops.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
When if you look at any one individual thing that's
going on right now, ten years ago, it would have
brought everything to a screeching halt. But now we're like, oh,
health care's gone, We're in war. Women don't have the
same rights they used to. Immigrants are being kidnapped off
the streets.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
What are you gonna do?

Speaker 6 (12:54):
They're building they're building camps, literally building camps.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Right.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
That's that's an interesting one too, because when you take
these things together and you start analyzing them and comparing
contrasting them, they they don't match up with the narrative. So,
for instance, if ICE has a mission to deport a
ton of people from the United States, why are they
building huge camps to keep them there?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And because mine is always about profit.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Profit, because the privatized prison system had to pivot to
a new business model when their spot gout blew up.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Ben, you know there's a lot of these in our
neck of Yes, they they literally, I think, just bought
what will be the largest indoor detainment bigger than any prison,
and it's in like Beauford, you know, in the sticks
out where we live.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I need to stop you guys for one second, because
all of us are on the same page, so we
all know what we are talking about, but there are
listeners that might have no idea what we're talking about.
So let's boil these down really quickly.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
And the private prison connection as well.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yes, okay, So one who wants to sort of give
us a synopsis quickly of what Pizzagate was.

Speaker 7 (14:02):
Oh good, Pizzagate is.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Pizzagate was a theory that came up under an Internet
conspiracy cult called QAnon, and Pizzagate alleges that very powerful
business interest and very powerful left wing political interests are
secretly participating in widespread trafficking and sexual abuse and perhaps

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cannibalism of children, and that you can learn this if
you read released emails from wiki leaks from back in
the day, wherein people refer to going to get pizza
after work or cheese pizza, and specific was one of
the initials.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Grape soda was another. And so when that came out,
it was, you know, to the flooding, the zone kind
of of it all. It just seems so batshit crazy
that it was like a thought terminating cliche more or less.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I was that person. I was like, this is insane.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
And the fact that they're blaming it Hillary and her
emails and all of that stuff, and they're using it
as a way of derailing people politically. But what's happening
now in these Epstein files is we're seeing tons of
uses of the word pizza and grape soda with these
folks talking about going to these sex parties, are saying, man,
that was an awesome pizza party.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
Even these art code words like ooh, I do hope
you hang again soon at the islands, bring you a harem?

Speaker 7 (15:27):
And it's like, how good does your can I curse
on this?

Speaker 6 (15:31):
How fucking amazing does your lawyer have to be to
convince someone?

Speaker 7 (15:37):
Oh? Haram?

Speaker 6 (15:37):
You know, it's sort of a slang word that doesn't
mean what you think it means.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Right, Is that a word that appears yes, that appeared.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
It was also baffled at how they also didn't try
to hide a lot of things like that young girl
was quite a meal like what I'm talking about, and
we're all just letting it go. Europe is doing better
than we are, but we're saying no, no, you're right.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
We've talked about that. There actually a little bit of
accountability happening, and you'repe barely a smaller castle, yeah, a
slightly very smaller estate.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
You don't get me start on the royal family. Don't
get me started their conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
There there, we're here for it. But I mean, the
thing is that these allegations and all of this stuff,
when taken in totality, it has that same Pizza Gate
effect where it's also uh extreme and how could possibly
people be this evil? There's no way it's true.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
How do we not know?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
And how did it get about the stuff that they
held back? We know they're holding stuff back. We know
that there's whole pages and pages and pages they just
haven't released or they like took back after the facts.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
Right, they lost like all the all the files.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
This is the thing, all right, There are real victims
of trafficking, of abuse, of possibly even more heinous crimes.

Speaker 7 (17:01):
Also, this is one facet of a larger empire.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Jeffrey Epstein is not operating by himself, was not Jeffrey
Epstein was not just a child abuser. This was part
of in my opinion, and I think, Noel, you share
this with me. This child abuse was part of a
larger intelligence operation to compromise people. Well, that's the thing.

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We have to be careful so it doesn't get into
gross stuff like anti semitism. But there are questions about
masaud or.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Saying you disagree with the government is not saying you
hate a race or religion of people. Equating those things
to me is actually anti Jewish. Even using the word
anti Semitism is weird because there are more than one medical.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Exactly a conspiracy theorist. It's a way of immediately discounting
everything that comes after the genius.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Marketing move on their part to shut everybody out. And
I've certainly been called that. No problem with Jewish people,
love Jewish people.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I have a big.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Problem with the way the Israeli government operates, and those
are separate entities and saying all Jews agree with this
is very anti Jewish. You cannot say that because we
all know plenty of Jewish people who do not agree
with that and are on the side of what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Is going on?

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I have Jewish heritage and I have to be yes.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I have to be one of those people in the
conversation who has to go Okay, guys, just level set
real quick here. I'm on board with you. I disagree.
I think all this stuff it gozza is also terrible genocidey.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
As reductive as saying that all Americans support Donald Trump
because they're America exactly right. I mean, it's we know
that's not true. We know people in France, don't people all.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Christians love love Donald Trump. That's not true.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
People don't want the nuance though, right.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
Dumbar's number tells us you can only it's controversial, but
it tells us you can only consider around two hundred
and fifty people, actual human beings in your mind. So
it's very easy, and this is something that media is
quite in politics. I'd adept at weaponizing. It's very easy
to say, Okay, I have just chosen this sort of template,

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this character sheet of a person, and anybody who clicks
like three of those things, they're all the same person
to me, We're all one point three billion of them
or whatever, Like, hey, I went to a Chinese restaurant,
so I know everybody in China. Like I get it.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's like how scary things. We love them, but that's him?

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Is that really?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I mean, nuance is harder to sell. Nuance is harder
to cram into a headline. It's harder to cram into
such talking points. We all know that we're not saying anything.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
But just with more information than we've ever had, people
seem to actually know, retain, and care about less than
I've ever.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
And so many of these conspiracies all go back to
the same thing. And it's like, okay, if you know,
there are many passes to the top of a mountain,
but every one of these passes leading to this same
top of the mountain, which is wild, and it does
seem so many of them are all going back to Israel.
And that has nothing to do with Jewish people. It
has to do with Israel and whatever's going on over there.

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And I'm fascinated by it. From Donald Trump, fake getting
shot to anything, Pizzagate and Jeffrey Epstein to Charlie Kirk
getting assassinated the way he did.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
It's just one after another after another after another.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
You can draw the draw the lines delaying.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, known asset for Mossad, also met
with an untimely end. He took one last non consensual
swimming lesson Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And you'll remember, like as recently as a year or
two ago, I whispered in your ear, I'm like, why
are we so unapologetically beholden to Israel? And I'm saying
that from a real place of like I don't get
it right, Why I don't fully get it? And the
only answer can then be either concern about appearances of
being anti Semitic from a pr level, or compromise something serious.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Compromist maybe, but it goes across administrations and it's gone on.
So the official reacing is a loan democracy in that
part of the world. But that's not it's like democracy asterisk.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
First of all, I'm no longer believe in it after
I watch the traders. I don't know if once you
watch the majority of people come to a decision together
based on evidence they think they have, You're gonna.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Be like, why why do you get to vote? This
is crazy?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You shouldn't be allowed. But also, this isn't really democracy.
It's not the majority of the people.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
That college made sure of that.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
But again, they did a really good job telling us.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
And they're selling it to the bred and circuses of
the campaign. It's you can participate in.

Speaker 6 (21:38):
We're pro clown on our show. Okay, Like I'm very
pro clown. I want to get in front of that one.
But we just don't think they should be in the
political class.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
You know what I meant, clown.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
We don't love a clown running the country.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Can also think that political dynasties are not good, and
they have historically been the law of the land or
the way that it's gone. So we're not just picking
on Trump here, We're not. We're picking on the politics
throughout recorded history of this country never been great.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I mean, I tell Timon all the time. I now
have no faith in either side.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
There was a time I was like, Okay, I'm going
to a hardcore rail for one side of it, and
now I'm like, you pussies.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
The Wonders. It's awful.

Speaker 7 (22:23):
It's weird to be because it's.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Better than pussies, because vaginas actually quite strong lass, sorry,
then I cut you off.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
It's just it's weird though, because to that point.

Speaker 6 (22:38):
You know, for anybody, if you've traveled around you have
friends who are not from the United States. I've had those.
I've had those moments. We're very close friends who are
well meaning, they're not trying to be jerks, and they're going, hey,
Ben's you guys have that democracy thing in the United States.
I'm like, well, yeah, on paper, you know, we got
a represent Okay, But to me this, how come the

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presidents are so often related to other presidents.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Are they really don't win the popular vote.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
And sometimes don't win the popular vote?

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Are they really the best person out of three hundred
and twenty something million people for the job.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
The answer is no, becomes the NEPO baby arguments. You were, Yeah,
they're born on third base, they have access to all
of this education and influence all of that. But I
think we're saying it maybe even goes deeper than oh yes,
and I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
So to another conspiracy, deeper than that, what do we
think about the Reptilian people? Is this a possibility?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
You mean all these weird plastic surgery freaks, that's shade
on getting any work done, doing what you want to
feel good about yourself.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
There needs to feel shame.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
What is going on with the like it's like an obsession.
It's a crazy.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
Especially because it's becoming Yeah, that dysmorphia though is uniformized. Yes,
uh in the current administration, it's a I thought it was,
you know, body shaming or picking on people. And then
we started looking at comparing contrast through face a face.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
I love that one.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
That's not a conspiracy, that's just facting an image.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
The other day of the new board of the Kennedy Center.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
Oh, I thought I thought it was photoshop.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I was like, I saw and Reddit someone said it
looks like when Dwight cut the face off of the
CPR dummy in the office and put it on his
own face.

Speaker 7 (24:31):
There's that one with it just this, That's what I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Also, we need to hold plastic surgeons accountable for what's happening.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Because people are rich.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I know what I don't understand, but they clearly have disorders,
have body dysmorphia. And if you don't look in the
mirror and see, holy shit, I look like I was
brought back to life. You have a problem.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
You could save a Mickey Rourke fellow plastic surgeons. Like
that's that's the thing. Maybe it's maybe we need to
rule similar to bartenders you are legally required to stop
serving you drinks if you're wasted. Yes, maybe walk in
and you have to say, well, hey, uh, this is
your fifth or sixth.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Time on this.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
It just is like like the movie Excellent Dystopian kind
of nineteen eighty four s sci fi satire by Terry Gilliam,
crazy plastic surgery addiction in that film, also Escape from La.
You'll recall that what's his name? Bruce Campbell plays this like,
you know, weird dystopian future la plastic surgeon who looks
like make you work.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
I mean, I understand when cartel leaders get plastic that's right.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Like we're on board with that. We always oh well yeah,
of course notco terrorists.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
The board of directors at the Kennedy Center some astounding stuff.
I was like, they really rolled these old dinosaurs out here,
and we're like.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Enjoy what what again?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
And then it's one of those things where like is
this am I being punked right now?

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (26:00):
Is?

Speaker 4 (26:00):
It? Also?

Speaker 7 (26:00):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (26:01):
Maybe because of the social dynamics like, especially when you
are past a certain threshold of wealth and influence, your
circle gets smaller and smaller, like the people you consider people.
So when I looked at those folks after figuring out
it wasn't just really mean photoshop, I started to think,
what how did they get to this place? Are they

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the only people they hang out with? And one person
starts getting a procedure and the other person's like, yeah,
I think my cheeks are kind of mid too, and
so they start escalating in like an arms race where.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
They just go to the doctor and they're like, hey, doc,
fuck me up.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
It becomes there's a David Cronenberg film called Crimes of
the Future. They heard these performance artists who like do
plastic surgery as performance art, like you know, get limbs
grafted to their heads and stuff like that. But if
you're in a small enough circle bind and that becomes
the flex of wealth, you got to have that weird
ass mod done too, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm with you on that bend. I think it is

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such a bubble situation where they're only looking at each other.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Oh, Nigel, I didn't want to say it in front
of the group, but you're quite a peasant.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Face, exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I see a wrinkle. I see, Oh, there's so much.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Okay, so we described pizzagate and we were talking about
something else right after that, the detention centers.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Then we'll get to the legion of people.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So, okay, privatized prison which is not actually conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
That is a fact.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We know that prisons got privacy, but I think a
lot of people don't know that. So one of you
would like to explain the privatizing of prisons and then
go down to these detention centers.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Do you have historical context of when that started becoming
more of a thing. I remember when I was a
young early days in my career as a reporter for
public radio, and there was there were a lot of
these impoverished communities around where I grew up in Augusta, Georgia,
that were absolutely decimated by the housing crisis and the
collapse of that because that a lot of these these
communities relied on manufacturing of the fabrics and various building

(27:59):
materials like that, so they literally lay, yeah, wiped off
the face of the map. So what happened was these
private prison companies were doing bids to see which impoverished
community they could build their private prison in and I
went to a thing in a gym where everyone showed
up because they were stoked about getting that janitor job
or whatever it might be, prison guard in any particular

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potential position. But that was like in you know, two
thousand and two.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So this actually says because I looked it up, it
probably looked like I was texting. I was not. I
asked one were prisons privatized, and it said modern private
for profit prisons in the US began in the early
nineteen eighties.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I was thinking, it's probably that early, but when the
war started to say, thank you, ben so, I only
I only was trying to set you up.

Speaker 6 (28:40):
Oh no, this is perfect because I love how they
have that caveat in their modern private prisons. Because for
a lot of US history, you know, this is a
country that has separation of church and state, but has
never had separation of state and business.

Speaker 7 (28:57):
So the so.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Mentioned the argument that slavery and and was just converted
into the present slavery. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
This so historically, going back to days of the colonies
and stuff, a lot of these prisons are what we
would consider privatized. And then you've got the you know,
like Nola's saying, post slavery era or post emancipation, then
we have very corrupt things that are pretty much private

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prisons private slavery, right, and they're just they're literally leasing
out these people, many of whom didn't do a crime
in their lives. So private prisons now are just sort
of a reiteration or a new pattern of what we
saw in the past. How do they tie into this
idea of detention centers? They tie into detention centers because

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private prisons in the modern age were actually not that
big of a slice of the prison industry overall, which
is huge here in the United States by any measure.
But they had a very p offitable, tiny piece of
the of the pizza.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Sorry it's on my mind, And so they got to
the pizza, back to the pizza, and so they.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Something prison pizza.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
We just started it. But what what eventually what happened
was that they they got a lot of public outcryes.
People began learning about private prisons and learning about how
they do the same damnable stuff that private equity firms do. Right,
they shitified prison. If you could make it worse, the
food got worse, so it could be cheaper, security got worse,

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hygiene was terrible. They were packing people in like sardines,
and they had to pivot because politicians were getting heat
from this. They said, okay, well you've already paid me
my money, so best of luck to you, but we're
not going to give you a new contract. And that's
when they sent their lobbyist in. In our opinion, that's
when they sent their lobbyists to Washington and to other

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halls of power, other thing and said idea.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
Yeah, you know how we're like a country of immigrants.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
What if?

Speaker 7 (31:07):
What if?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
What if we were presupposed dark around here? Picture? But
what if? What I was talking about earlier though, in
near Atlanta and the suburbs, there's literally this this insane
warehouse facility that was just purchased by DHS and it
will be, if you know, retrofitted whatever, the largest not

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only detention center, prison, anything of its kind, indoor holding site.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
We're building camps.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Say it because Ben posted the question earlier. If they're
trying to exports the wrong word, deport all of these people,
why do they keep needing to build more and more
space for keeping them here? Exactly under lock and key.
It's an extension of the prison system, and it's not
even you don't even have to have done.

Speaker 6 (31:59):
A ground and we think or I think it's okay
for us to this on air. We're we try to
be objective, but sometimes when you're being objective, it can
make you look partisan because people don't always like facts
that don't hit their worldview. And we're pretty certain that democracy,
as imperfect as it is, is endangered here. The midterms

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are coming up, right, and that I'm just saying, claiming
publicly that you are deporting people for one reason or
another and calling all these innocent people criminals is actually
pretty clever cover for building things that mean you can
start locking up people on mass Because the thing about

(32:43):
fascism it always needs an other. I'm not going to
soap box too much, but you will at some point
be that other, no matter who you are well.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
And yeah for everybody.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yes, when you don't think it want when you sweep.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Somebody up into this right and even if it turns
out all their papers are fine, sometimes already in the
system and they might not ever get out. You know,
they might get lost or god forbid killed. We know
people are dying inside of it. Absolutely, so you don't
even have to have done the crime or had the
actual real reason for them to snatch you up. But

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once you're in, you're kind of in.

Speaker 7 (33:18):
So again. Twenty twenty six ten ten No notes, you mentioned.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
The midterms are coming, Yes, which is going to bring
me to another I don't know about this. Do you
believe Donald Trump won the election by the landslide that
he seems to have won the election by?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Do you think he won the election at all?

Speaker 6 (33:36):
I'm sorry to cut you off. No, we might differ
on this, but I personally, yeah, I'd love to hear it.
I don't know, man, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (33:43):
Well?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
I just think that there were there was a lot
of influence that was happening on behalf of the Trump
administration from Russia. I do believe yeah to be true.
I just think that's definitely true. You know, I've seen
it in other elections, a lot of the flooding the
zone with you know, bots and all of that. With that.
I don't know that they like hijack voting machines or
change the numbers, but I just think they helped flood

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all of this misinformation into that that objectively affected the outcome.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
I hear you.

Speaker 7 (34:09):
I think that's very fair.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
I think to add to that, technocrats or technic arcs
like Aila Musk definitely fucked with the election.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, he had control of some voting machines, did he not?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
So how can we one?

Speaker 2 (34:33):
I don't understand how that's not a conflict in some
capacity that you have this person saying I want him,
I'm going to pay you money to vote, not vote
for him.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm just going to pay you to vote, and now.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I coincidentally have control over these machines in swing states.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Remind me, yeah, I don't remember the machine's bit.

Speaker 7 (34:51):
That's the machine.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
Similar to the earlier Dee b Old scandal with electronic voting,
where people were saying those things got hacked or influenced.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Uh, there are This was in the election that Trump
claimed that he was stolen from.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Him, right, Yeah, we just all got the information that
in fact it was not.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
It was not because he sent folks down the Devil
went down to Georgia today to investigate Ali gab.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
Right, yeah, oh gosh.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
What a super villains as to investigate voter fraud allegations.
And they did find evidence of voter fraud, but not
what they were expecting the other way with the other way,
which is like uh, calling the police at a car
accident for the cops to come up and say, oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
No, it's definitely your fault.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Right.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Maybe I didn't know the updates, so that raid was
basically a wash. I was wondering why we hadn't heard
a follow up to Okay the.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Gatherer was scared the heck out of us original copies?
Is what id they basically shod a raid?

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, So I think it's fair to say that we
as well as as well as our brother in arms
Matt Frederick diplomatically put, we have serious, credible questions about
the legitimacy of this election, this most recent presidential election.
You know, a ton of Americans don't vote anyway outside

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of the you know, our little every four year super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Some of those folks can make them mad enough, they'll
they'll show up.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And these midterms are so important, and local elections are
so important, and people don't talk about how important they are.
That's the stuff that makes a difference in your day
to day life and the people that you're putting up
there to say, where is Congress, what is happening right now? Well,
did you vote for the right people to be in Congress?
Who's to say?

Speaker 6 (36:38):
And this is well, this is where we can appeal
to personal vanity, which I think is always a very
effective way to get people to participate in those kind
of conversations. Don't think about, you know, the line, don't
think about the larger implications. Figure out how you're going
to vote, and then just remember, for the rest of
that week you were going to be like pre college

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rob out Kanye West. You're going to be so much
You're going to think you're so much better than everybody.
Bring it up in every conversation where someone yeah, you
get a sticker, rock the sticker sticker. Also, I sometimes
like to save the sticker until it's time for me
to get in an argument, and then you're just going
to like.

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Rock up like actually, as.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
By the way, it's not my turn to do the dishes,
because I did the dishes for America.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
You did your.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Job to the private, privatized persons. And these these detention
centers that are being built. I'm sure you guys have
already gone down this rabbit hole and we don't need
to completely explore it. But if you've never read about
the link between the hip hop industry and privatized prisons.
That is a fascinating read, and that one sent me
down such a dark path. I was angry. I'm still
angry about it, but it's like, huh, what an interesting

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way to go about doing this.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
I remember when we first started looking into this because
it was another like said earlier, Gandhi was one of
those things where you first read it and you go.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
Right, no, no way, right, And you're.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Very connected in the music industry, more so than Noel,
Matt and myself. But when we were first when we
first heard the story, we were like, okay, you know,
who hasn't been high in a college dorm room?

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Like, that's what this makes us think of.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
But if you look through the allegations, the idea that
the FBI or certain shadowy government agencies we're having these
private meetings with.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Record labels, why would that happen, right, and tell.

Speaker 7 (38:34):
Them what to sell?

Speaker 6 (38:35):
But then we started thinking, you know, government agencies, intelligence
agencies can also control mass media, like the FBI can
go to the New York Times and say ooh, heel boy,
and they have done it, and so maybe rap isn't
that different. We say that as fans of hip hop,
and I know I bet them in your mind. Billy Corgan, thing.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
About the Sasquatch didn't appeared to him. No, that's a
different way for sir. No. No, but what I I
didn't remember, I didn't know. He sure is, don't meet
your heroes. Hem Sorry. The hip hop to prison pipeline,
as discussed in the podcast Louder than a Riot and
other things, there was a letter that came out in
twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I just wanted to say I remember reading like an
eighty six page some sort of like release about Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
For sure, just to you know, I needed to refresh myself.
We are saying that hip hop record executives and private
prisons had a deal so they would flood the zone
with violent extra wrap content that would then create more
inmates by you know, violence, drugs.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, just really bad behavior targeted a very specific group
of people that they wanted to go into these detention centers,
privatized prisons, whatever it is.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
We're already impoverished and wouldn't have legal resources to fight fight.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Let's make it cool. Let's make them all think it's
super cool. And the rappers that don't agree with this,
are not on that same page. You're not going to
get the same type of publicity.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
The record deal, Right, Yeah, Crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Kanye busts on the scene and does his thing, and
he didn't rap about drugs and guns and any of
that stuff. And now you know he's down his own path.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
What's that old jay Z line? I always thought reference this.
I used to rap like common sense till I made
my first mill. I haven't wrapped like common sense.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
For you for being able to quote that diamond. Had
you heard about this? Are we saying something new to you?
Haven't heard about this?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Whoa there?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Feel like this would be very interesting to you? Are
you interested in it?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Ben? Do you? Do you see any parallels?

Speaker 5 (40:35):
Though?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Within the argument becomes well, is this the same as
saying heavy metal caused people to worship the devil? No? No,
that's so. Then my question becomes is it gangster rap
that's causing people to do gangster shit? Or is gangster
rap just about this community in this world that already exists.

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That's it becomes a question of influence. If we're going
to go down the rabbit hole of this was a
successful campaign to increase population.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Were there meetings between like the heads of the Satanic
Church and heavy metal. We have the meetings that we
know happens between the FBI, CIA and whoever.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
With Sure, I'm really doing more talking about whether it
would be a successful or not.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
And like if we were project managers, what would our
metrics be?

Speaker 7 (41:22):
You know what?

Speaker 6 (41:24):
That's scary because in this case, the metrics would be
coming from intel agencies in private prisons and they would
have like a spreadsheet with a little graph on it.
They'd be like, this is great, you guys, more of this.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
I don't know that's.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
The best part about what we're doing though, because we're
just talking shit, like this is what I think based
on these things that I've read. I don't have fact
necessarily to back it up, but based on the evidence
I have seen, it seems like it's very plausible.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I don't does everyone have intuition.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
I'm very concern But I'm just saying, at the end
of the day, we're not just talking shit. I mean,
we're kind of going with our gut. We are backing
it up with as many facts as we have access
to it.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Right, but we're not saying for this happened.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
You can't sue us. You're just saying this is what
we have have come to our best, our best conclusion
based on the things that we've seen.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
We also not true. Maybe not true.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
I like that, but we're saying it's not implausible, which
I think is very fair and iwight edge toward. I
think it is quite possible that something like that occurred.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
There's often a grain of truth in these things.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
So some like that occurred, but maybe not to the
level we are or some people are imagining. But the
music industry can get touched so easily now, right, Like
when I was mentioning Billy Corgan, who is just a
fascinating character, saying there was a get rid of rock
music and replace it with gangster rat and he said

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the only way you could explain that was a government conspiracy.
And not to be a jerk, you know, I grew
a big fan of the Smashing Pumpkins and Corgan's work,
and I was thinking, well, that's that's one option. There's
also the option that maybe just your album didn't do
as well as you wanted, Like that takes the CIA okay,
but yeah, it's interesting because it is plausible that the

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music industry could be touched.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Every industry could be touched. Everyone can be touched, Which
brings me to my question for you guys. Within the
last year and however it's been, however long it's been
since I had you on, so many other conspiracies have
popped up, many like what the fo we're talking about
right now? Have you been approached by anyone.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
To shut up?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
To hey, take it easy, guys, you're walking on something
ice here. I wish they're just watching you.

Speaker 7 (43:42):
Not like a men in black situation.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
But I remember there are a couple of things where
we've had very politely worded diplomatic emails, like we did
an episode on something called shot Spotter, and shot Spotter
is is a system. It's definitely in New York, It's
in every major US city. It's a system that uses

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you could call it echolocation to figure out when a
where a bullet is fired and sometimes to what degree
it's fired.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
And uses it to measure demographics of crime and right
label areas as high crime.

Speaker 7 (44:19):
And then sell that data.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
Yes, and turns out their legal teams a little bit touchy.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
It turns the product don't quite work as advertised. That's
what we were saying and I think we did get
an email, not a cease and desist per se, but
strongly worded email from someone from within the company.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Was it actually from someone with the company, because now
everyone's chat GPT in fake lawyers and that's kind of
funny to me.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Oh this was a little bit. Oh, this was a
little bit before chat GPT. I think it was so
that one was a real guy and then the only
other one I can think of, Scientology surprisingly hasn't reached
out yet, but we got.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Not even weird enough to rank anymore.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I don't think based on everything else, like Scientology is
so far down the list.

Speaker 6 (45:06):
Vacation, who was it? There was oh you know what.
Weirdly enough, Peta Peter.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Reached out to the terrorist organization man.

Speaker 6 (45:18):
And they were very nice about it, and then they
started mailing us things.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Like horrible visuals.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
That's great, I love puppies and kiddies. But then they
started just know they.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Are a terrorist organization. I am on board with half
of the stuff that they do, and then the other
half I'm like, okay, so you released all the minks
to wear.

Speaker 7 (45:41):
Why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (45:42):
But also like in my heart.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I'm like I want to release.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I want to do that too, but then they all
get run over in the street because they don't know
what they're doing. It's it's an interesting organization, that's Peter.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Have you ever had if we could flip the script
here on the other side of the table, because you
have explored so many things and met so many people,
you have so much experience, so many connections. Have you
ever run into something where you got one of those letters?

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I wish No, Maybe today's the day we'll find out.
The only thing that ever really happens with us is,
you know, every now and then we'll have a celebrity
and the interview will go really well, and then that
celebrities team will circle back later and say, hey, we
need to cut this, this, this and this, and that
infuriates me adam Levine. But aside from that, no, not.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Really, Okay, apparently.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Everyone had an experience with that am Levine.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
And let me tell you, I really enjoyed him.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
When he was in I was like, this is great. Yeah,
And then I got.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I even got feedback from his team like this was
his favorite interview of the day, he loved it so much,
thank you so much. And then like fast forward, I
was getting these like death threat even not quite that,
but but it was very inane. The stuff they wanted
taken out was so like nothing sauce that I thought, what,
that's so weird.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
Sometimes it feels like at least we probably had similar experiences.
But sometimes it feels like members of the team are
kind of justifying why they're on the team with a
few of the over worried things.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's usually the team, not the person to hear the case. Usually, Okay,
I mean, I'm sure that there are some people who
are hardcore. Don't photograph me from the side. I don't
want to stand near a woman. We do know for
a fact that those people exist Martha Stewart. But aside
from that, no, not really. Oh man, I haven't been
approached as far as you know, Hey, that stuff you're
saying about the government stuff.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Even though how's people are about to Let.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Me tell you, I love Martha Stewart for everything that
she did and she was and she was a bad
bitch back in the day.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I mean she still is.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
She is.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
She's wonderful. She's such a strong woman.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
She's mean as fuck. Man, She's like, I mean.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
She's about that business from what I hear, and I yeah,
I think you become a larger than life figure after
a certain amount of time in the cultural spotlight, So
maybe that does have an influence on how you behave.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Doesn't that seem like it's a bummer?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It is. It's like you're not even In her documentary,
they basically said she went to jail, not for anything
that she actually did, but she went to jail because
she was a big old bitch and people wanted to
see her go to jail because she was a powerful
woman and they didn't like the way she operated. So
I get angry with myself for being like, yeah, she
is a big old bitch.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, but she mean she shouldn't have gone to jail
for it.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Mean, but also yeah, degree.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
If you asked to pet her dog, she'd be like no, what.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I feel like, that's that's who she is.

Speaker 6 (49:02):
This is like I can compare it to when I
finally figured out that Bill Nye is sort of famously
a pill.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
The science guy.

Speaker 6 (49:13):
Guy, yeah, way, yeah, apparently he is not the pleasant
Oh let's learn about hydrogen guy that I thought he
at Okay, no, because I don't respect him anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I want to hear why because we had Bill Nye
in here, We've had him in a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Yeah, and I adore him.

Speaker 7 (49:34):
I've never met I love it.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
But I can absolutely see like he just doesn't suffer fools.
He's a scientist, and he is surrounded by a world
right now that is sort of shunning things that he
has been trying his whole life to make us think about.
And I think that he just you ask him, I'm question,
and he'll just look at you and be like that
was incredibly dumb.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Doesn't He also kind of do a bit though on
his show, like isn't he sort of this goofy like
caricature kind of version of himself.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
When he came up, Yeah, becau the kids show.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
It's not gonna be a dick on a kids show.
But now that he's an adult and all these kids
have grown up, and now you have, like, you know,
the essential oil moms over here saying science isn't real,
but I can give you this lavender oil and everything
will be fine. Of course, the Bill Nys of the
world are going to be like, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
I guess it has mean comparatively to the Kid show persona.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
Yeah, he's because it's a it's a different Yeah, it's
a different show, right, Like, but I also think it's
important for us to note folks at that level, the
Martha Stewart's, the Bill nyes, et cetera. Uh, they have
to answer the same question, sure, like constantly. So I'm
sure your nerves start to free. But I'm sure they

(50:38):
are both completely human and not lizard people.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Okay, that is a good pivot, diamond. Where are we
at time?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
By the way, Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
We could keep going. Okay, so on the lizard people,
and then we'll wrap up this episode and we'll start
the next episode. Yeah, the lizard people, you guys say, no,
they don't exist, And let's explain what.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
People are to find some terms here are we talking
specifically about like the plot of the movie Bogonia, Like
are we talking about the Andromedam.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
That movie was so good at the end of it
pissed me off so bad, pissed me off so bad,
damn it. There was such good commentary here on society.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
And then we could have a separate discussion about how
maybe I think the ending sport perfect.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
The mini series V from way back in the day
also will.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Be for Vendetta V. It was like a sci fi
literally lizard people invasion Body Snatchers kind of. They remade
it in the night late nineties or two thousands, there
is a remakey you're talking about the eighties V.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
I'm talking about the eighties V.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
The very weird with the o GV.

Speaker 6 (51:49):
It's the idea of lizard people, defined as a secret
hybrid race of reptilian aliens and certain bloodlines of humanity
have conspired in secret to control every aspect of human
civilization for insert reason here, right, Because it changes every week. Right,

(52:12):
It's like sometimes it's because they want all the money. No,
it's because they want to sacrifice babies.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
No, it's so it's we're an experiment, Like we're like
a human zoom kind of Charlie's Own plot.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Yeah, it's very That conspiracy theory is very like four
thirty PM on a Friday at the writer's room.

Speaker 7 (52:28):
Okay, energy, They're like.

Speaker 6 (52:29):
Okay, guys, we all want to get out of here, right,
I know that, So let's just figure out toss something out,
toss them out, and somebody's like experiment.

Speaker 7 (52:38):
It's like great, cool, We're done for this week. That's
you know, that's dinner.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Everybody're walking out the door. Someone says lizard people and
they'll turn around slowly and go ve just good enough
to work.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
So I, like I said earlier, there's nothing now that
if you toss it out, I'm going to immediately shut
it down. I'm going to leave a little space for
all of it because I have no idea anymore what
is real what is not real? And now when you
add AI into the mix, whether it's videos or I
saw an AI video of myself what and I was.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Like, what did I do that?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I didn't do that? Did I do that? That looks
so real?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I have six fingers. Okay, I'm okay, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
But I'm like, I can't even trust myself my own
memory anymore, because you know, you party a little bit
every now and then.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Things before. I've been noticing people using AI just to
recreate actual clips from late night shows or news shows.
I don't know if it's a way of getting around
copyright claims or something, but I'm looking at this thing.
It's like meant to be a clip of Matthew McConaughey
being interviewed by Conan or whatever. And Conan doesn't have
a talk show anymore. But you know what I mean, right,
And I can see the AI of it, and I'm like,

(53:43):
why this isn't They're not making this up. This is
the gist of what the clip was supposed to be.
Why are they doing as.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
We slowly kill the environment making people kiss?

Speaker 3 (53:54):
What was the recipes?

Speaker 7 (53:55):
I'm so curious. What was the AI clip of you?

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Oh? It was me making out with which I then
got the same program and made other people make out
because I was so fascinated by it.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
We went out one night we part.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Got specific AI.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
No, it's just it's I think it's Brock Grock whatever
the video aspect of Icy one, Yeah, Spicy Rock after
Dog exactly. We were out, we had a really good
time and I definitely got hammered. And then like a
week later, my friend sends me the video and he said,
do you even remember this? And I said I do not.
Oh my god, oh my god, I cannot believe this.

(54:28):
And then I was like, you, my jawline looks a
little too nice and my skin is so swooth. Something
about this is weird. Okay, that's not real.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
It looked like shaky cell phone video kind of Yes, yeah,
it was wild.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I'm like, oh my god, so a not this was
not the time for her to get involved in everything,
But here we are, or maybe it was the perfect time.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
I mean, yeah, you know, are we at the stage
where it's just like roll the dice? Because I think
we all remember during the pandemic lockdown where the news
came out the government basically said we're not saying a
but maybe aliens and everybody just sort of collectively shrugged,
fun with that, right, And so that's where we're at.

(55:08):
You know, we call it sometimes on the show, like
a post truth environment. I used to entirely dismiss the
idea of like a reptilian secret race because it seems
so difficult to cover it up at such a tall milkshake.
But just like you, at this point, I think the
three of us on our show kind of look at
each other and go, you know, not just elaborate pain sigh.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Well, let's say that, like tomorrow, we were to discover
time travel, right, it would be like, well, yesterday we
didn't think time travel was real, And like, I feel
like some of the disclosure stuff is on the same
you know track as that where we definitely have acknowledgment
that there is something, and so what else can we
call into question?

Speaker 6 (55:50):
I mean, yeah, that's a great point because now I
advanced the question even further. For the uh, For most people,
we dismiss the ancient alien hybrid race thing entirely. But
how long can we do that? Especially given genomic technology
or genetic technology. We're closer and closer to just making

(56:13):
that reel. So fuck if it was real before, now
we can really do it. You know, like chatch Ebt.
We basically built a gin right and we let it
out of the bottle sky at the very least, sky
net at the very least.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
We don't need lizard people. We got plenty.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
We have the people on the board of the Kennedy
Center for Arts.

Speaker 6 (56:32):
Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear what they think about that.
I'm sure hopefully like one of them is cool.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Hopefully fingers crossed.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
Fingers crossed.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
I'm gonna say that's a soft no.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
It probably depends on what we asked them about black people.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 7 (56:53):
Thanks so much for coming on the show. You might
have heard I don't like small.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Talk exactly all right, So we have to wrap it
up just for this episode, because it's been about an
hour and that is the max that we can talk
about things before people stop listening. So I have no
doubt that they're going to want to listen.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
To seeing the stats more.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, more of this on the next episode. So if
you guys don't mind sticking around for another one.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
I would love that absolutely.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Thank you, Ben and nol from the stuff they don't
want you to know? Podcasts, where can they find that?

Speaker 6 (57:22):
You can find it anywhere you find your favorite shows
like Sauce on the Side, just good. Thee to the public,
the podcasting platform, Public.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Library, Public Archived. We're in the Library of Congress. We're
in all the places now, just kidding. Yeah, Spotify, Apple Podcasts,
the iHeartRadio app of Horse. We're on Netflix now. Yeah,
week think episodes a week on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, you're superstars. This is incredible. I'm gonna go watch it.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
It's pretty neat, fun little camera setups. We've all got
a little.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Sets so fun.

Speaker 6 (57:54):
Consistently trying to impress our girlfriends with like that one fact,
at least we never alert they're not impression yet.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
They're like, oh, these guys just talking again, all right,
And that's.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
How my boyfriend is too.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
He's like, here she goes Jesus Christy.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Oh lord, He'll.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Just go start golfing. He's like, I'll be back in
eighteen holes.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
You have fun.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
If people want to find you on Instagram, where will
they find you?

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, I'm at a how now Noel Brown?

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Okay, and you can call you can find me in
a burst of creativity calling myself at ben Bullet.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Okay, lock that one down though, Bro, you got it.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
You need to get that.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yeah, I'm glad you have it all right, and we
will see you guys next week. Okay.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Diamond, you sat through.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
All of that, Yes, very entertained. And who were you?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Okay, I couldn't tell him. Like she's in the corner.
She's kind of quiet. I know you chimed in a
few times, which if the mic sounds different, by the way,
let me tell you what happened. I was adjusting something
and I unplugged Diamond's microphone and did not plug it
back in. So when she approached the microphone to ask
the questions, obviously she was there and we're all talking
to her, but you couldn't hear it. So that's why
we just added her questions in and maybe it sounds

(59:10):
a little different. Fun fact, that's actually you should have
just left it out, just make people guess. Maybe we'll
have two different versions, the one with Diamond and the
one with al but either way, Yeah, there's there's more
on the way of other stuff that we talk about
in the next episode with Noel and Ben and Diamond.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I love you so much for sitting.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Through it and being entertained by it. Oh you're welcome.
I love you too. Oh you didn't say thank you.
I said I love you. Oh, well, thank you and
I love you. And also you're my gauge a lot
of times on whether something's interesting or not because I
can hear and see your reactions sort of quietly off
in the corner. So I'm like, oh, she laughed, like
an actual laugh, and I wish she had a microphone
for that, but no, she's always laughing in the corner quiet.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Fine, if people want to find you online, Diamond, where
they going to find you at? Diamond?

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Sincere on Instagram, you're still threading, Yeah, but I don't
get engagement and I'm not gonna like force my threads
on people.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
So I'm just like I'm here, but whatever, I know,
I don't even pay attention to the engagement anymore because
it's so all over the fucking board anymore, like all
over the map. And I'm pretty sure that Adam Wasseri
is out to get us all and just punish everybody
who doesn't, you know, boost posts and pay for things.
You know who he's not punishing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Oh my sister, every thread, everything she posts, whether it
makes sense or not, she gets so much engagement.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Really okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You must have pissed off the overlords at some moment.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Whatever, I better have it. And there you go, all
right at Diamond. Since here I am at Baby Hot Sauce.
If I'm not Shadow Band still, which let's be honest,
I am. Come follow also like subscribe, follow the podcast,
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(01:00:55):
and Nowel next week.