How Did You Get Trapped in the World of Sex Trafficking?

In the episode, Gandhi talks with sex trafficking survivor, author, and activist, Lurata Lyon about her shocking life story and what it’s like to be on the other side. How did it happen, what are the biggest contributors, and how can we all help? We also hear listener feedback and still find a way to laugh at Diamond being Diamond.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Saw us on the side. What's up. It's Gandhi and
I'm here with my girl Diamond.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, Hi, Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Before we started this episode, you were talking to Deanna
into the microphone and you said something absolutely atrocious.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Okay, h could you please repeat it? Abracombie, say it again, ABRACOMBI.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Why you know you're saying any It's easier.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
For me to say it like that. I've been saying
it like this since the first time I went to Abercombie.
Andrew is gonna die when he hears you.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Just take out that second hour.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
You just take it out, Yeah, because Aberbercrombie just sounds Abercrombie, Abracrombie, Abercrombie.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I can't say.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It, you guys. We all have our words. We all
have our words.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
I make mistakes constantly.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
I have a few words.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It is really fun to laugh at your friends when
they fux suff up.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
ABRACOMBI, so, oh my god. I don't know anyway. I
saw a pair of pants an Sasty and if she
liked them, she said yes. I said I was gonna
buy them, and then I decided I wasn't because Deanna
made me feel like shit a week or two ago
without actually trying to what happened. She talked about how
much money she had saved, and I was like, I

(01:17):
love that for you good and so I'm like, yeah,
I could kick it up a notch.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
So yeah, so you're not gonna buy the pants not Now,
you know, I was looking up like the average four
oh one k of people in different age groups, and
it's very sad for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's also very skewed in certain ways, like I know
that its skew's probably higher than it actually should because
averages are zero zero zero zero a billion zero zero,
and then that you know, one person with one billion
is gonna make it look like all these other people.
Why am I explaining averages to you? Like you know rightly?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Work?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well? I do get confused between mean and median, so
I really do it is what it is?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Can you do it now?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
One is like in the middle and one is the average.
I don't know what's the most common, the mode is
most common. I wasn't even think median in mode. Okay, Okay,
you don't care, no, okay, So Elementary left that behind,
that behind, But you were right, you were right with
what you said. Okay, okay, yeah, okay, I just always
know the.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Other one in there smell because that one's kind of
important sometimes. But googol, Wow, we went down a math path. Amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
What in rhyme?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I like, how it's past pie day? It's my day
three point one, four, three five, eight ninety seven nine.
I'll keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
No, people like you, I used to push them after class.
Do you know what pie is? Yeah? I know that's
not how three point one. I'm like a shut up loser.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Sorry, you were one of the dumb kids that had
to be hard. I understand.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm dyslexic.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Wait, okay, so you're dyslexic. You're on HSPH.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Oh yeah, so all of us you're allergic to everything. Yep.
I believe that you've crafted a world where you live
in a bubble and you have all of these things
that make people stay away from your bubble. But I
don't believe the things and I love it. HSP.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Explain your HSP highly sensitive person?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes? Your disorder? And I'll remember this was like two
years ago where you realize that you're sensitive to certain
things like really loud noises or like bright lights. I'm
very sensitive to lights. This has increased as I've gotten older.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
So it's like you have a constant hangover.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
No, but it just I wouldn't say it's as bad
as a hangover, but like you know, when you're driving
at night and people have their bright lights on it,
I mean, people don't even mean to have their lights
as bright. I think it's just the led situation. I
am ready to lobby against it. I will go to
Congress for it. Like I can't take it. It drives
me crazy. It's like I feel a migraine coming on.

(04:03):
And I don't even get migraines like that, but its
just I can't. It's like I I want to literally.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
A mythological migraine coming on. But yeah, you get the migraine,
you just feel it.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, yeah, you know how like moms. You hear moms
like yelling, are you gonna give me a headache? You're
not really gonna get a headache. This is my equivalent.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You know, So lights, noises, so like you're like a
like a bat.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, and things heavily affect your moods, which they do,
but I don't let them. Okay, you know the whole
dyslexic thing I know for a fact that I'm dyslexic. Okay,
call me Gavin Newsome.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I won't. Nicki Minaj hates Gavin news.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
She would hate me too if she knew the things
that I've said about her.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh she's a crazy person. Anyway, here we go down
this Nicki Minaj thing again. They're gonna be like, you're
just it's because it's political. No, a nutcase in there.
So your food allergies, let's talk about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh God, here we go.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I actually believe that you have more allergies than we're
giving you credit for, because you know, here at the
station I started, I apologize sort of. I started this
narrative that Diamond makes up her allergies. You started that
you were there, yes, because I said, you don't carry
your EpiPen and you just try things sight unseen. You

(05:22):
will just take a bite of something, and I'm like,
why would you ever do that with all these allergies
and no EpiPen? What is wrong with you? And then
people took it, they really started running with it. Right now,
everyone calls you a liar, yep. But the other day
I did notice something. Well, first I was very impressed
that just based solely on sniffing and looking at the
baby food at Sam's baby shower, you were able to

(05:43):
identify so many of the things in them, and you
won the game, yep, the one with food allergies. You
didn't even need any of it. Come on, come on.
But we were at a little deli that we go
to and the guy did something and you immediately were
like cross contamination, which I wouldn't have thought twice about.
Have allergies? You do? And what he did was grab
a handful of nuts sounds disgusting, put it into the

(06:07):
sala that he was making or whatever. And then he
with the same glove nuts all over him, grabbed a
handful of raisins yep, and tossed the raisins in and
Diamond was like, oh my god, I have to tell
Deanna she can never come here because she has allergies
in this will kill her. And I was like, oh,
Diamond noticed that maybe she does have an allergy.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
I do. Dominoes. I almost sued Dominoes a few years ago.
This is like a decade ago. I don't know why
I said it, like a few years Like it was
like two years ago. They put a mushroom on my pizza,
and I didn't know that I was allergic to mushrooms.
And one mushroom yep, okay, and I picked it off

(06:46):
and continued eating the slice, and I had an allergic reaction.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
But if you didn't tell about.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
That, and they didn't know, I'm not sure how you
could see. Well, because I didn't order mushrooms, fair, I
didn't want mushroom. Yeah, like fallen from another people, Well,
cross contamination figure out.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
So what if that mushroom was just like coated and
bleach or something, and that's what made you sick?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Not here we go.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You eat mushrooms and then no, that was the one time? Yeah,
one and done, So it could have just been bad pizza.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
No, why I eat the rest of the pie.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, but you just said you got sick, super sick
and then you went back to it.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Mm hmm okay that one so slice that had the
mushrooms on it or mushroom on it, it was one. Yeah,
that was it. My throat started feeling like it was
closing up. But like, I also have anxiety, So once
I feel a little thing, it like I don't want
to use a word wrong again exacerbates.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You got it. You're good.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
You always know when I'm nervous to say a word
because I like you chuckle yeah, and it's very dramatic.
I'm like, oh, allergic to apples very badly.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay, so I can't have smooth man. All this stuff
you're allergic to is some of my favorite stuff on
the planet.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Well, stay away from me.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I will house like a whole box of mushrooms from
a grocery store. Love it. What about mushrooms is so like, Oh,
they're delicious and they can be prepared so many different ways.
They hold flavor very well. All they really need is
little salt, pepper, and butter, oh my god, garlic on there.
I could go on and on. Mushrooms are my favorite.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I go through phases where I just really like something,
so I'll eat a lot of that thing. And there
was like six months maybe of my life, maybe it
was less than that, or all I would eat was
zucchini and mushrooms because they were so good. And my
sister I lived with her at the time, she was like,
this is not okay. You're going to get some sort

(08:43):
of like weird overdose of a vitamin or like something
Bad's gonna happen. If all you're eating is mushrooms and
zucchini all day long, something bad's gonna happen. Oh no,
this was before she was a medical professional in anyway. Yeah,
no meat.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
We looked it up.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It didn't look like anything bad would happen, except you know,
at some point I do eat protein.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Bring it back.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I don't know. I have a love hate relationship.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
With meat, and I love it. I used to go days,
maybe weeks without eating anything else, Like I would just
just meat, meat, just.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
So good, so good. I watched this video this one time,
and every time I think of it, like this moment,
I probably won't eat meat now for the next week
or two. It's very sad. It was very sad about
the way that they get your meat.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Here we go. Don't tell me.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna tell you.
I don't want to yuck. You're young. Everyone's got a
million different things to say about, well, you need animal proteins.
But if animals eat plants and that's how they exist,
why do we need to eat them and get.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
The protein from Yeah, because it tastes good. Oh you know,
I mean, like you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I don't have a lot of good arguments for so
I'm just asking the question.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
No, No, I'm not gonna let you do this to me. Okay,
you're not gonna take the only thing that I have
besides coffee that I really enjoy.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Let's talk about you and your coffee.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
The other day you I watched it happen. You got
a coffee from Scott and before you took a sip
of it, you said a prayer, and I got mad
at you because I said, why did you waste a
prayer on the coffee? And you said what.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, let me just preface this by saying that me
and God are locked in, right, so like it's not wasteful.
We talk all the time, right, So yeah, we're bestie.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
You have to think about that for a second.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, because I'm like, I don't know if I've ever
said that God was a she or or a he
or but I do say I refer to yeah whatever. Anyway,
sometimes you gotta pray to make sure that you're or
pray with the hopes that your coffee is good, because
there's nothing worse than a bad coffee.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Not on a bad day, nothing worse than a bad cough.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Could you imagine? Now, let's think about okay, cause I get.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Very excited about this dramaticized.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You have a horrible morning. You're having a horrible morning,
and you're like, I'm tired, I don't want to be here.
Something pitched you off. I need a cup of coffee.
What if that coffee doesn't taste good? Then what do
you do? It makes it even worse. It takes your
day from the two that it is to a negative four.
I need it to go up to at least a five.
From the two to the five, not a negative four.
We don't go to.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Coffee swings that much.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Coffee is what keeps me alive. So if it's not
good and I'm already having a day, oh I'm ready
to cry. I will cry over a bad coffee. I
did it before.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I would laugh at you cry so hard in the building.
Came in and you were crying, and I was like,
oh my god, what is wrong? How can I help you?
And you said it was your coffee. I would knock
everything over.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Now I've done it before. I've done it before. I
don't remember who was around me, but I remember saying,
like coffee isn't good.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know what this means, though, this is a good thing.
You have a very good life.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, that's amazing. Oh for sure, my life is great. Yeah,
I think you know. I can't really complain first world problems,
but it will fuck me up, like I it's bad
on a really bad day. Oh it's bad.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm glad that this is where we're at right now. Yeah,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I cried here, I cried.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
And Elvis bought me a computer. Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
No, he gave me the Chipotle gift cards that day.
Do you remember that.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I'll discuss it.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
We went to get coffee. Andrew and I used to
walk and get coffee for everyone every morning. Thank god
Sam has taken over for me because I can't do
it anymore. But we used to go get coffee. We
walked back and the person gave me a milk alternative
that I'm allergic to. I can't remember if it was
almond or whatever. And I put it up to my

(12:58):
mouth and I could smell it, and I'll like I
lost it. I was like, I can't do this, and
he was like, are you okay? And I was like,
my coffee's wrong. I know it's not a big deal,
but it is. And then he gave me Chipotle gift cards.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
So what you're saying is I just need to be
more dramatic around here to get my way.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't know if it'll work. Everybody has their stick.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
What's my stick?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Being a menace?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I don't like this. I again reject that narrative. I
don't know why, because it's not true. All right, someone
has to tell the truth around here, that's all. That's
all I do. I am the beacon of truth.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh, she's praying speed, as my dad says, police.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
All right, so we're talking about bad days and how
you have a very good life.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And we're gonna talk to somebody today who is fascinating
for a lot of reasons. Her name is Laurata Lyon,
and man, the story that she has to tell is
unbelievable and very sad, but also there is some hope
in it because so she's here to tell the tale.
So I don't want to give away too much. Let's

(14:03):
just get to the guest, right, all right, I am
here with Luata Lyon, And first of all, thank you
so much for coming to talk about your story, which

(14:24):
is a fascinating story. I will let you get into
all of it, and I do have some questions. But
she has a book called Unbroken Surviving Human Trafficking which
is about exactly that.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
How are you, I'm very well.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Thanks thanks for having me on the show, to appreciate
the platform that people like yourself keep offering to me
to raise awarness on human trafficking, and also to just share,
you know, what it feels like from a survivors perspective
and how this changes your life forever.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
So let's start there. You are a survivor of human trafficking.
You were trafficked. How did that happen? If you're comfortable
saying how that happened.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Of course, yeah, Actually I would say it with great
pleasure because in my story you will find there is
two American un police officers that were They served in
Kosovo during the war in Yugoslavia. So for everyone listening,
I am from former Yugoslavia, which now is into small
different countries like Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, and I got raised

(15:24):
in Serbia on the border with Kosovo, and so when
the war started back home, I got separated from my
parents running for my life. Ended up in the streets
of Kosovo seeking shelter because my dad said United Nations
are there and you shall be safe, and also you
should find the Red Cross. Luck headed that I It

(15:46):
was a police hours at that time, and as I
was searching for shelter or find the Red Cross, I
got discovered by two American police officers and they are
actually soldiers as well. They served in Afghanistan. They are
my true Oh I can't believe I'm going to say
this in their land. They're my heroes. They really are.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Sorry, Oh, please, I know this is I'm sure we're
going to be very difficult. So if at any time
there's something you don't want to talk about something and
it's just.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
I mean, we realize I'm here talking about them.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
I'm glad that you're here, and I'm glad that we're
hearing positive police officer stories because recently here there's been
a lot of negative attention towards the police. So it's
good to hear the other side of things and think,
you know what, they are doing good things out there,
and that's that's the police officers that we want to
believe in. That that's what's going on. So this is
great and I'm glad that they found you and they
saved you.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
They they were really good anyway, tears are always good. Yes,
it was any Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, my two American police officers, I say my two
American police officers with great pride my errors. They risked
their own stations just to give me shelter. They really
took care of me like their little sister, and with
so much respect to give some contacts. I ran away
from my own people that were trying to kill us

(17:16):
and massacre us and rape us, to ending up in
the streets of Kosovo being found by two American police officers.
Again not my nationality and perhaps maybe not even my religion.
But the reason I mentioned these two things is because
it's been these two very things that dividing us so

(17:37):
much now, and that for me was approved that religion, nationality.
It doesn't matter when people are good. People are good,
and these two guys were really, really good guys. They
tried to keep me safe as long as they could.
But unfortunately, in Kosova at that time, and I think

(17:58):
it's still ongoing business, it's human trafficking was massive. I
can't even I wouldn't even know statistics to tell you.
But they did the human trafficking for sex trafficking and
then organ harvesting, and.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
It was something that you knew about before it happened
to you, was it?

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Oh no, no, I mean you could think of that
happening in the movies, you know, you watch movies about stuff,
but even then there was no movies about it. But
you've seen an odd kidnap or something in the movies,
all action movies. But to actually really beat kidnap by
human trafficking, it was unheard of that there was any
anything like that going on in such a small kind

(18:38):
of place that it's almost like a forgotten land. And
so it was very surreal for me to experience so
much cruelty. And I witnessed a lodge during the period
when I was captured, and whilst I was with them,
they were communicating with me because I speak fluent Serbian,
influent Albanian, and not a word in English at that point,

(19:02):
by the way, so Brian, Peter and Brian communicated to
me via their translator. It was really tough to hear
that I was being salted to the highest bidder, and
that after the highest bidder and whoever, the prostitution kind
of ring when they were done with me, that I
would be useful organ harvesting. I was only seventeen turning eighteen.

(19:27):
I was really really young, very naive. I didn't get
to finish school. Everything just turned upside down for us.
And then to be told that I was going my
life was going to end in that way, such a
fatal way and ultimately dead. Once your organs are harvested,
that's it. They eliminated it, all the victims. It was

(19:50):
really tough thing for me to hear, and I didn't
I didn't want to understand it. I didn't want to
accept it. I was fighting it a lot with my
emotions and with everything I could. And when I eventually
escaped the human trafficking gang, I got reunited with Peter
and Brian, and I gave an interview at the police station,

(20:10):
and these guys got arrested center prison, and yet again
they got released.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah how long later, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
They are all over the news. Within months to a
year they got released, and so they're still ticking, you know,
they're still going along. I'm not sure what they're up to,
but I don't name them in anything that I do,
because I can't start a war that I can't finish myself.
And so that sort of jeopardized my whole safety because

(20:43):
one I got completely destroyed because they you know, they
were grooming me and I had to watch a lot
of rapes and abuse to other women. I was a virgin,
so they had to bring me out to speed with
sexual acts because they had sold me to the highest bidder.
So the highest bidder expected me to well, he expected
I could please them, whoever they might have been, and

(21:04):
so I did. See I did witness a lot of cruelty,
which left me really disturbed for the rest of my life.
And then when I returned, I had to run away
from that place because obviously I was a target to
be assassinated. I had to run and went back to
Serbia when everything was still being bombed and people were

(21:26):
being killed, only to be taken by the Serbian Army,
which there was two armies. There was one army. There's
a legal army, and then the other army was created
by the recruits of prisoners, which they were killers, rapists,
and you name it. They wore trainers and the real
army war boots to make up the numbers against NATO

(21:47):
against everyone else that was fighting the Serbian war. And
they came and picked me up from my mom and
dad's garden and took me in a solitary confinement for
six months. Why because I had cross borders. I've been
trying to escape, to go to Kosovo to seek shelter,
and then I had to come back. So this thing

(22:10):
triggered them to interrogate me, which they did. By I mean,
details are quite cruel. They beating me up, they branded me,
they dislocated my back. I was completely unrecognizable, and then
you'd think that was enough. I only wake up after
my branding and I faint as they branded me with

(22:30):
a hot iron thing on my calf. The next time
I wake up, I was in a really small space
which I thought I was buried alive. So I was
very hysterical trying to get out, screaming, and that went
on for a very long time until they decided to
come in and the rape began. And then for me,

(22:52):
after that happened, and the very precious thing that I
was saving it as a very naive child seventeen turning eighteen,
somebody violating you like that for me. Then that just
took a different toll. I gave in. I wanted to die,
I didn't want to exist, and I went through a
real emotional roller coaster in those six months in a

(23:15):
solitary confinement, in a very small dark room, I questioned
humanity so deeply. I got shown so much cruelty in
such a short space of time, from the gangs of
Krosover kidnapping me, grooming me, and then these guys completely
degrading my dignity and abusing me psychologically and physically. I

(23:39):
really did lose hope in human race. I saw a
lot of evil and in a very dark place. I
also feel like I got molded, and as I always say,
I feel like it was my biggest university that anyone
could have ever sent me into. I think life teaches

(23:59):
us some lessons that cannot be learned in schools or universities,
and it could teach us to be hateful, or if
we choose to, it could teach us to be kinder,
the opposite of what is being shown to us. And
I think for me, I had to make a choice.
Once I got rescued and sent to the UK as
a underage or a young child political asylum seeker. With

(24:23):
all the help government gaining in the UK, it wasn't enough.
It was as psychological battle that I had to deal
by myself and make that decision. Do I stay in
the past forever and forever, be spiteful and just have
this anger towards them, or do I forgive them, not

(24:44):
just because they're not because they deserve it, but because
I deserve to move on. I deserve to focus to
do good, because I always felt like maybe I caused
the whole thing. And most survivors and most people that
go through this will find themselves they feel so guilty
of what had happened. They are made to feel like
they the cause. You cause it, you made me do this,

(25:08):
and they feel these feelings. And if any listeners are
listening to this, there are from that sort of background
or any sexual abuse, the shame and the questions that
you are left in your head with what did I
do to cause this? Why me? And how could I
ever speak out? Because I'm ashamed? What will people think

(25:28):
of me? I got so much backlash when I started talking,
people like they thought I was do Lulu, and now
they see there is nothing do Lulu about survivors speaking out.
This is happening, and I'm only speaking out because I
want to have a better future for other generations to come,
not for me, but it saddens me that there is
so many children in the world that don't deserve to

(25:52):
witness anything like this.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I am so thankful that you are choosing to talk
about this, and that you have risked so much to
say what many others have probably lived through and don't
want to say, and very much in awe of the
strength it takes to do that, because every time you
tell this story, you have to live it again, so
you didn't just go through at the one time, even
talking to me, and I appreciate you talking to me.

(26:16):
You're having to go through this again, and I do
appreciate it. And I think that it's very important for
a lot of people to hear somebody like you, and
here's somebody who's on the other side of things now,
and maybe if they have gone through something similar, they
can hear, hey, there is hope, there is another side
of this, whether you choose to talk about it or not.
I think it's really important that you have so on

(26:36):
behalf of all of them, and myself, thank you for
that timeline wise, for you, how old were you when
you ran away from the family, When you got separated
from the family, I should say.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
It was at the same time. I wasn't gone from
my family for a long time. It was seventeen turning eighteen, Okay,
because our village where my parents my dad was a
doctor and my mom professor of languages. So the reason
we got targeted because we lived near the border, and
because the NATO had already invaded Kosovo. Serbian army got

(27:07):
really mad because they wanted to show Nata you cannot
just keep like conquering my region.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
So they went after the individuals and civilian.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
So they went after the civilians and we had a
civil war. We fought each other. Literally, it was in
another country. Like we have wars nowadays, you know countries
fighting that We've got one active one. Now, this was
a civil war. We fought each other.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay. Yeah, So you get separated from your family, you
get picked up by one group of people, and then
that's some They started to groom you, and bad things happen,
and you were able to escape them and find these
American officers.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
I found the Americans beforehand, before they found me in
the streets of Kosovo because I was seeking for the
Red Cross or shelter because it was nighttime. I had
made it all illegally into Kosovo and they spotted me
when I went to get some water from a bar.
It was the only place that was open. It was
c a few hours, so nobody was to be on

(28:07):
the streets. It was police hours, I suppose they referred
to as. And when they spotted me in this bar,
and he was completely with United Nations. The whole people
in that bar, besides the people that served the drinks,
everyone else was with uniform from different countries, Germany and

(28:27):
so on, and so Peter and Brian realized that was
someone that shouldn't be there and it was me, and
they followed me out with their translator, only to find
me just outside of the bar, crying my eyes out,
not knowing where to go. And so that's how we
got acquaintance and then best friends.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Okay, are you still in touch with them?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
I am in touch with Brian, more with Brian than
Peter at the moment.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
So you find them and they help you out.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
From that point, that's when they were translating that someone
was going to take you to the highest bidder. I
didn't follow that part.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Oh yeah, yeah. So Peter and Brian decided to give
me shelter. They're the good guys. I stayed with Peter
and Brian for quite some time. I was doing the
chores around the house. They were looking after me, cleaning
their uniforms. None of this they expected of me. But
I did it out of gesture of good will, because
they gave me shelter and we became the best of friends.

(29:28):
This one day, when they were at work, I thought
if I could just go and get a newspaper or
magazine from a newsstand just outside of their apartment and
read something because I was desperate for knowledge and to
see what's going on. I thought, what's the worst it
could happen? So I just literally left the apartment to
get this newspaper or magazine. And as I walked towards

(29:50):
the stand of this newsstand, a van pulled in front
of me and the human trafficking gang were they were
keeping night of their apartment. The whole time of Peter
and Brian's apartment.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Because I believe and we believe the translator that worked
with Peter and Brian had opened his mouth and told
either the locals or maybe even them directly saying there
is a girl from Serbia is being sheltered by two Americans.
She's vulnerable, or maybe he just mentioned it and now

(30:25):
it's very hard to judge. I don't know how that happened,
but the human trafficking were guys were definitely on point
with finding me and to come out. Yeah, So Peter
and Brian had no idea where I'd gone. They knew
I was I vanished. They had questions whether I have
disappeared and just left them, and so they had their

(30:47):
assumptions as well. Once I was going, I was gone
with them for like a month or so, whilst they
were grooming me and all of this and teaching me stuff.
They tried they had sold me to the highest bid.
When the transition was meant to happen. It was meant
to happen through from Kosovo Albania, because it's a little
bit complicated if you don't have a map in front

(31:09):
of you or you're not looking at the map. It's
all within the border. It's like with Canada, for example.
From here, the border there was shut and they said
the police officers that were patrolling their particular point were Italians.
They said, everybody needs to go back is shut. We
don't know what is going to open. So my transition
didn't happen luckily, And from that point on, I made sure,

(31:32):
no matter what happened, I would try and survive. I
didn't think I was going to be able to survive,
but I knew that I'd been given this small window
of to do something. So when they stopped on the
way back to this place where they were holding me
in capital of Kosovo, Pristina, I made sure when we
stopped at the pizza place or anywhere that they had meetings,

(31:55):
I would make a scene by going to the bathroom
and then trying to reach for the waitress and or waitresses,
and I think I did raise a few eyebrows within
those places. By the time we reached our apartment where
they were grooming me, the boss and this was at midnight,
and the boss is staring at me. Took this call

(32:16):
and they said to him something and he said, oh
my god, she's more trouble than she's worth it. And
that's when he called his youngest soldier that he kept
with him the whole time. This young boy, well, I say,
young boy, a young man, He said, rape her killer,
and just God the body do what we do. He said,
we need to leave because now somebody has raised the

(32:37):
alarm for this. And that's when for me sort of
hit me hard because I went from Okay, maybe I
can escape to literally, oh my god, I'm dying any
moment now. And in the process of this guy of
preparing to rape me and kill me, I managed to
buy myself a bit of time. Not because I knew
I could escape, It's because I wanted to pray. I

(32:59):
really wanted to pray. I got on my knees pray
to the Mighty Guard like I've never prayed before or
never again. It was one of those really deep, profound
prayers for forgiveness because I knew he was the end,
and I just I was so scared to die. And
in those moments of praying, something happened, magical happened in
my mind or in my thoughts. I heard a voice saying,

(33:23):
turn around and look. And I didn't want to break
the prayer, but I did turn around and on this
table was a gun on the table and keys. The
guy had gone to the bathroom, so I took the keys,
and I'm thinking, okay, I can't touch the gun. Went
to the doors and I'm trying to open the doors
because there was two doors. One was wooden door and

(33:44):
the other one on the outside was a metal door,
like a prison door. So I opened the first door
and in the second one open. I was fiddling because
it was really really difficult to open. It opens the
opposite direction with the key. I didn't know. I learned
it on the spot, obviously. And when they opened and
I was sort of making too much noise, he heard me,
so he ran after me. And I was on the

(34:06):
fourth floor I think we were, and I was sprinting
down the stairs so fast and he caught me. He
hit me. I went flying onto the main road. It
was quiet because it was after midnight, and luck headed
that there was a massive jeep un jeep. They were
white with massive red marks and you could see the
un writing so big. I just recognized the jeep and

(34:30):
I started screaming. It was nighttime. I could only see lights,
but I knew he was a massive vehicle, and I
was really lucky. He was a police officer. He happened
to be an Italian police officer. That's finished duty was
parking his car to go into his apartment and when
he heard my cry, he ran for me, but by
that point it was a lot of shooting going on,

(34:52):
so I crawled towards him. He grabbed me, sheltered me
behind the car door. He opened the car door, reached
in for walkie talkie thing that was connected to the car,
and within seconds there was I don't know how many
United Nations cars came with translators, but all different nationalities.
And I was hysterical because it was a very tense moment.

(35:16):
When you survive, it's like the adrenaline and everything. I
was just screaming and crying, and then I got in
for an interview because I didn't know these people were
so dangerous. I thought I was just really unlucky and
this is just something crazy going on. But during the interview,
I got interviewed by a police officer from Kosovo and
he said to me, after I finished my interview, he

(35:38):
said he started crying and he wanted to hug me,
and I said, don't touch me. He asked, he said,
could I hug you? I said no, don't touch me.
He said I want to touch you, said, you know
you are the only survivor that escaped them, and you
being alive means you can come to court. We can
send them to Hague because you're not the only one.

(35:58):
They've taken so many children, so many women into human trafficking,
for sex trafficking, and we all know that they're doing
organ harvesting. And that's when I was speechless and I said,
I want nothing to do with this. I need to
run away. I was so frightened. I was young to go, yeah,
appear in court. You know, It's like I was a

(36:21):
child and so and I can understand now now why
they wanted me to be in court and to testify.
But considering they have eliminated every survivor, such every witness,
and there is no survivors but me that I know
of from these gangs, they dangerous, very much, so very dangerous.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Do you have an estimated number? Do they ever give
you a number of how many people they think that
this group of people kidnapped harvested.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
I don't have numbers as such. But I was living
in Singapore when Syrian War was going on, because I
lived in Singapore for five years. And the reason I
mentioned this because I was a local. I couldn't attend
to the aid because these Syrian children went through Serbia
where their parents are without I got a call from

(37:14):
the News of the World as such, it was one
of the news outlet and they said, we just we
hear you talk a lot for you and women Singapore.
We've heard you. We know that you have been trafficked.
We know that you've been in the UK and you
are you know, we know your history, we know of
your story. Who do you think is taking because there
is over hundreds of thousands of children of Syrian children that.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Went missing, hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yes, during the crossing. I mean, I'm sure there is
somewhere on the internet if you google it. I haven't
done my research lately. But this was then when the
Syrian what was going on. They had to go through
Serbia to cross the border up towards Germany, and they
were on foot. Serbia took lots of migrants and lots
of people in But during their crossing of the borders,

(38:02):
during the times where it's vulnerable and you're doing illegal
stuff acrossing the borders, either the parents will say here,
I'll give you my child, I'll give you the money.
Let me know where I can find you after. If
I don't make it, please make sure they go to safety,
and they promise them the world. So a lot of
children at that time, going back to the Syrian War,

(38:23):
disappeared during their crossing with Kosovo, Macedonia and Serbia.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
So getting from one place to another with parents trying
to keep their children safe, the exact opposite is what
ends up happening in many cases.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Yeah, because sometimes even the parents don't know they are
giving their children because they are not informed. This is
so undercover. Nobody speaks about human trafficking. If it is
spoken like we do now, a lot of parents will
be a little bit more cautious with their children. And
I'm not saying be paranoid, be vigilant, be question people's motives,

(38:55):
question everything. You owe it to your child, you owe
it to yourself because losing a child is the most
painful thing you can ever ever experience, and I know
it from my parents' perspective. So, yeah, children gone missing.
And then same with Ukraine. We had children that from
Ukraine ended up in Sweden accidentally. Luckily a massive container

(39:20):
with children got found in Swedish waters and luckily the
children went there where were the children going in the containers.
I did my first podcast I did virtually was here
in the US and I was in London, and it
was an CIA agent that was actually interviewed at around

(39:41):
the same time. We had a chat of the phone
and he told me, then, this is three four years ago.
He said, one hundred and fifty million people get trafficked
every year. This is like a few years ago statistically
Smithing number. Yeah, and he said majority of them are children.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Of course their children, They're looking for adults for guidance,
and these.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
See children are like the animals. Animals see good in everyone.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
So in your experience, if we all need to be
vigilant as societies, what are signs that there's trafficking happening?
Are there signs like if I go somewhere, is there
something I should be looking for to say maybe this
is off, there's something strange happening here. Because we hear
about trafficking all the time, but what is a sign
that it's actually going on.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I'm going to start with London, for example, because I
don't spend much time here, so I don't know the city.
But there is different kind of trafficking. So you've got
the child trafficking for monstrous act. You got the sex
trafficking slightly well, also children and slightly more mature women.
Though slightly more mature women you sometimes find in like

(40:49):
adult kind of sides maybe or on the streets. And
before anyone judges them, I want people to understand you
don't know if it's by choice or is it control
old So have some kindness in your heart and if
you can't help them, don't judge them. This is really important.
Girls get into street traffic like sex on the streets,

(41:11):
like picking up man and stuff. They are controlled by gangs,
so that's another size. Those are things that you need
to watch. If somebody is promising you, oh, I'll make
your model, or are you going to travel the world
or come on my yard, or something slightly odd that
doesn't really fit the norm. It's not something that people
will do. Be cautious. I always say this. I mean,

(41:33):
I had someone from Australia contact to me said I'm
a model, and there is somebody from Singapore based in
Malaysia is offering me this that. Then the other I
heard your story. What do you think? I said, darling
blog blog blog, and don't go anywhere don't go.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, now at the Internet, it's not even just people
kidnapping off the street. It's people luring people across borders,
across the world essentially, and you're going on your own
and you may never be heard from. Like, so, if
we see something that looks a little suspicious, what is
there to be done? Who do you reach out to?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I personally, if if you it's really hard to get involved,
If you see what I mean, it's because it's dangerous
for whoever gets involved. The best job that the agents
do undercovers that job. I would say, authority, don't I know,
sometimes say well, how can we trust you? Got to
give it a try, you know, not everybody, like we

(42:28):
were just saying before, not every everybody is corrupt. There
is good and bad in everything, including in every gender,
in every any any position people find themselves in, whether
the it's government, police, whatever. So give it give it
a you know, don't lose complete hope, because there is

(42:48):
some really good guys out that, Like I work with
good people that have been ex soldiers and so on.
But if if you see a child in front of you,
I see sometimes even like a social like almost a
prank to see what people are going to do if
a child is being taken like that. I mean, I

(43:09):
know these dangerous they holding guns and stuff, but if
you slightly feel strong, please interfere and grab the child.
I mean, you're probably the only one that is going
to save them.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Now, this is a very interesting time that we're having
you on this podcast because within the last few weeks
here in the United States and actually across the world,
these Jeffrey Epstein files have come out and it is
addressing a lot of exactly what you're saying, trafficking involving
humans that are children, and where did they come from?
What is going on with them? And it does make
people questions slightly can we go to authorities because a

(43:42):
lot of these people were the authorities. If everything is
true that has been alleged, can you trust authority? And
you're saying that's the best we can do, we don't
really know, so you have to do what you have
to do.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
I'm very disappointed in so many levels because, as I
just mentioned, my two American police officers, just because there
is bad I can't now say, oh, maybe a question
Peter and Brian about it. You know what I mean,
it's there is good and bad. I keep saying this,
but I think government across the world owe us as

(44:14):
human beings. I hope whoever is leading the countries will
have time to just recalculate everything, think for the future.
I'm sure they have their own kids as well, and
try to win our trust back. I don't know much
about the Epstein's files in terms of I don't know
if my gang was related to them at all. But

(44:35):
when you think about I'm just taking now drugs. If
we think of drugs, we instantly think that they all
get it from the same source or for the same thing.
I'm sure there is innocent people that have been featured
with this monster. I'm sure one hundred percent, because I
always give people the benefit of the doubt. But if
you saw what happened and you did nothing about it,

(44:59):
you are a p participant. Absolutely, Because if I don't
say anything, and I'm not saying other survivors need to
say something. But I have healed enough that I want
to say, it's my calling. No, it's not everyone's calling,
it's my calling. I was meant to survive, I was
meant to heal, and I was meant to be this way,
So I can speak out For me, I've had my

(45:19):
fair share of life. It doesn't matter how much stronger
I have. I just want to raise awareness. I want
people to remember I tried. But people that have witnesses
that are not victims, but they have sometimes somehow been
victimized by being part of the group, they should speak
out with confidence and say, yes, I was featured, that

(45:42):
I didn't know what was going on and it was terrible,
and stand firm with everyone else and say I don't
care if this implicates me, because I can no longer
keep my mouth shut, I can no longer stand here
and pretend I was not there, I didn't see it.
But now I am going to say because I'm not
the only one, there's lots of people that have been blackmailed,

(46:04):
and we are not scared, because that will show more
integrity than trying to selfish something that maybe or maybe
you were not.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Absolutely there are more of us than there are of them.
So the more people speak up, the more people speak out,
the less afraid people are of what could happen, and
we know bad things can happen. The less power you
give these people when you can take it away and
voices take away a lot of power, and that's why
I'm very thankful that you were able to come here
and share this with us. Your book, by the way,
if anybody wants to go get it and get the

(46:32):
very linear version of exactly what happened. It's called Unbroken
Surviving Human Trafficking by Lorata Lyon. You said it took
you a long time to have faith in humanity again
and find humanity. What was it that made you actually
see it again?

Speaker 4 (46:49):
So many things? You know, I like, there's just basis
on male gender, and I know some people don't like
to talk about gender, but.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
You know, I just you talk about whatever.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I speak from her heart, and I respect all genders
and whatever people want. I'm really so neutral, but I'm
just focusing on what happened with me. I looked at
male gender and I thought, okay, well it absolutely destroyed me.
But then here is my dad, my superhero, trying to
save me. Here's Peter Bryan trying to save me. I
go to the UK, my psychiattrist or whoever was involved

(47:20):
to get me on my feet. There were men mixed
with women, but men. And then my mentor, Jill Man,
I married someone. It's a man. I created life you know.
And so I thought, hang on a minute, that you can't.
You can't brush every everybody with the same brush. And
then I went back again and I thought, hang on
a minute, there was a woman involved in grooming me,

(47:43):
and that was she was his lover. She knew what
was going on, she never did anything about it, infecttions
she she was cruel. When people read the book what
she was doing to me will be quite shocked. And
she was a female. Now am I going to lose
hope on my own gender and my mom's my sisterhoods. No, Ultimately,

(48:04):
it's all boils down, and no matter where you're from
or how it's all down to how evil you are,
and how evil you are is based on how much
cruelty have you been shown in life and whether you've
chosen to heal or you've chosen to carry that on.
Because if I chose to be what I've got shown,
I will be the biggest monster walking this planet Earth.

(48:26):
Maybe not so good for the Epstein's files, Yeah, yeah,
I'll be like walking Ninja.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
But I chose to deal with this in a most
profound way without causing any more pain or wishing anyone
death by raising awareness and hopefully those that are in
power to take actions.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So you found humanity and other people love.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
I got shown so much love from my parents and
then I had so much love for them, and I
thought love is the power. If we feel love, we
can't feel hate.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So for you, So today, where are you at with everything?
And how are you feeling. You've written a book, obviously
you have organizations or an organization to help people. How
are you feeling in general?

Speaker 4 (49:12):
I'm feeling slightly on edge.

Speaker 5 (49:14):
You know.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I have been very emotional because it's not just my
story that affects me anymore, you know, it's hearing these
stories all the time. I want this world to be
a peaceful world. I think we really need to stop
with everything that we are doing. We are fighting, we
are conquering. As we're all going to live here forever,
we are not. I think we are meant to live

(49:36):
simultaneously happy and work together and creating this wonderful life.
Maybe it's like some kind of an avatar world. I
feel really really on edge at the moment because every
war is a get way to human trafficking. And when
people say, oh, five thousand kids, fifty kids got killed,

(49:58):
I really want to see approved because I don't believe
sometimes what is being said. I need to see proof
that those children either are dead or where are they.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
That makes a lot of sense, especially with what's going
on now.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yeah, so that's the first thing. I think. War has
brought nothing but misery and poverty to people, and children
always suffer, and children are future. Don't we want a future?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Absolutely? So if somebody is listening right now, maybe going
through something similar, what is your advice to them?

Speaker 4 (50:30):
My advice is as hard as it is. Please think positive.
How do you do that? Block the news. Listen to
things that make you feel good, you know, like with
substance shows like this. Listen to something that relates to you.
News can trigger has been triggering me since the war started,
and I'm on edge. Literally, I feel like I'm experiencing
war all over again. Go for a job, go for

(50:53):
a walk, speak to people you trust. You have to
let it out. If you can't tell anyone what's happened
to you, whether it's rape, abuse, whatever, it might be
bullying or whatever. I'm just going to try to soften
the content. Go write it down and write it, type
it down. Whatever you do is such a cathartic thing
to do, because you offload all this emotions and information

(51:14):
into something that you know, if you ever need to
go back, you can go and read it, but you
don't have to repeat it. And for me writing the book,
it was in fact, actually I started writing because Carrie
on Sex and the City. She inspired me to go
and type away. In fact, I've signed a book for her,
but when she was in London last I couldn't give
it to her because she didn't want to take gifts

(51:34):
from other people. And I'm like, for care, I want
to it's my book. You inspired me to do this.
But anyway, I'm not like that. I'm not stars. I
don't you know. I'm just everybody is the same. But
she inspired me. I thanked her in the book. I
wrote a really nice thank note for inspiring me. She
was typing, you know, at the end of each day,
Sex and the City. She would type in New York City,

(51:56):
and she inspired me.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Her, so I think that's how I started typing, and
then I realized it was therapy. So let me be
your inspiration. Absolutely type away and think positive and we.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Can all get a little bit of your therapy. For
Ourselves on Amazon. Unbroken Surviving Human Trafficking by Laurata Lyon.
I'm gonna get that correct.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Thank you so much for coming, for writing this book,
for speaking for people who don't speak for themselves, and
for making me think about something that I hadn't before,
which is you're telling us these massive amounts of kids
are dying. We need to see proof that that's actually happening.
Not that one is any better than the other, but
that was actually not a thought that I had in
my head until speaking to you. So thank you for
that pleasure.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
On Okay Diamond, so you actually were not here for
that interview when it happened. She sort of blew my
mind with something. You know, we were talking about how
I'm like all about conspiracy theories, and I believe all

(53:00):
these different things are at the very least, I'm leaving space,
holding space for the possibility that some of the stuff
that I used to think was crazy might not be
so crazy anymore. What she said that threw me off
the most is when I was asking her what is
it that we can do to sort of stop this
or where is it happening? The most what do we
need to keep our eyes open for? And she said

(53:21):
it happened to her because of war. She was running,
she got separated from her parents, and from that point
all of these horrible things happened. And that now we're
clearly in the midst of war across the world in many,
many different places, different reasons. If you didn't catch it

(53:41):
in there, which I'm sure you did, I don't want
to overexplain was you know, we're hearing these reports eighteen
thousand children were killed, a school was hit, one hundred
and fifty girls killed. And her thing is prove it,
show me, unfortunately, and how sad that these kids are
actually dead and that someone hasn't done some horror lean
nefarious things in this time of war and taken tens

(54:05):
of thousands of children that never actually crossed my mind
as something that would happen. And now that's all I'm
going to be thinking about.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You are not the person to say those things too,
because you really will stay up at night thinking about it,
and like a lot of people will. I don't want
to make it seem like, you know, we should make
light of that, but it sucks when this is something
that's brought up, but you don't know, like, how can
you fix something like this?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Like, what can you do besides just get the word
out about it?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I guess that's a start. Yeah, maybe if you get
the word out to enough people, enough people will give
a shit to actually mobilize and do something. I think
people are so overwhelmed and inundated right now with a
million different things to be upset about and have anxiety
about that. It's again we've talked about this before, but
it's a genius plan. Overwhelm and people just kind of freeze.
Whereas I've read repeatedly that the way to combat these

(54:57):
things that we're feeling so overwhelmed with is pick one
or two things and go hard. Whatever those one or
two things are. If it's climate, ride for the climate,
go outside, pick up the trash, do the things that
you need to do. If it's healthcare, figure out the
ins and outs of how you can still get things.
There are websites that you can go to and compare costs.
There's all kinds of stuff you can do. But if

(55:18):
you try to attack all of it at one time,
you are gonna feel helpless. You tack one thing at
a time, and you'll be able to make some movement.
So maybe by just getting the word out, we are
actually helping in some way. I don't know. It feels
weird when it's just us sitting here having these like
weirdly deep conversations.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I love it too, but it just feels like, are
we actually making any type of difference? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I hope so.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
But that's where maybe our talkbacks can come into play.
Because I told you we were going to listen to
some of these today. Oh boy, do you have any
Oh my god, there's so many. Yeah, let's see, let's see, Hi, Ghandi.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
I was hoping you could have your dad back on
the podcast. I'm listening to the replay right now, and
he is the get and we miss him very much.
Please have him back on.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Oh that was nice. How about this one? Your Dad's horrible?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Who so hilarious?

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Dad's horrible? Let's hang out?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Hang out? Ye?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
What?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I loved it. I listened to that like five times.
That was good.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
My dad probably would hang out with that person. My
dad will hang out with anyone. He loves hanging out.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I want to hang out with someone with that laugh.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
How to rate the pod? What does this mean?

Speaker 5 (56:38):
Dumb question as a dumb bitch that here's his podcast
according to.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
That other day.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
How do I rate your podcast?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I have no idea how.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
To rate it? Let me know. Okay, wow, it's like
a truck going by, yeah, under a tunnel. How do
you rate the podcast? What a good question. We tell
you to do it all the time. I'm pretty sure
Diamond knows.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, you go on. Well, I know specifically how to
rate an Apple podcast. Okay, you go to the Little
Purple podcast app if you have an iPhone, you look
for the podcast and you scroll all the way down
to No you scroll you don't scroll down. You stay
where you are and it shows the rating and you

(57:32):
click it and if you're signed into your Apple idea,
you'll be able to rate there like it shows you.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Okay, yeah, there you go. Sounds super easy.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
You don't scroll down.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Okay, this one, let's see what they have to say.

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I love the Big Show, but kind of stop listening,
so I'm glad I tuned into Sauce on the side.
I love the daily topics and everything just comes up
so organically makes me want to listen to it and
just keeps looking for like another episode, So if you
guys don't mind, if you guys can just up the episodes,

(58:05):
start recording some more, having daily fun laughs. I need things,
so listen to Thank you guys.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Bye, that's nice. I have some questions about why she
stopped listening to the Big Yes. Same, it seemed like
that was loaded, ma'am or miss, whichever you would prefer.
I would love to know why you stop listening to
the Big Show. What do you think it is?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Scary? Nah?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
You here forever? Okay? This one just says, huh should
I play this? Sure?

Speaker 5 (58:35):
I don't learn from higher and hate straining.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I kind of friend.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Hey, buddy clo head, all right herery here you go?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Just that wrong?

Speaker 5 (58:49):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
You got pretty mouth?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
What the fuck was that?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Broh?

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Hey, bring their fun back.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
There, I'm not that dad.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
That's the same person doing that.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
This is exactly where I put huh yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Well, whoever you are, that was fascinating. Thank you for
sharing your voices with us and telling us that you
think Nate has a pretty mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
All I can think of is the knee leaks meme
where she's like, oh, well whatever that means.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Oh my god, Okay, this will be the last one.
There's so many we'll have to do like another episode
of just these talkbacks. Thank you for putting them all together.
And by the way, if you want to leave us
a talk back so that we can respond to it
or play it on the show, all you have to
do is when you're listening to the iHeartRadio app and
you're listening to this podcast, there's a little microphone, tap
that microphone, and you're basically just leaving us a message
saying whatever it is that you want to say. And

(59:42):
these are all pretty nice today for the most part.
Let's see what this is.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Hey, Gandhi and Diamond Love in the podcast with name
and scary, you just kind of quickly passed over that
you get mail from jail, So I feel like you
might want to revisit that because like, okay, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Okay, So that's not unique to me. It is I
think anybody who is in the public eye at all,
news anchors, real celebrities, stuff like that. People from jail,
I guess they got a lot of time on their
hands and they just send letters and all the letters
start out the same, which is I hope this doesn't
freak you out, it in fact does, and nobody is

(01:00:27):
guilty of the crime that they've been accused of. Now,
it's fascinating about the mill from jail jail mail. They
have a prisoner ID on it because they have to
have their ID number, so you can look up what
these people have done, and they're all really terrible things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
No, I've only ever gotten one, and I was so excited.
I don't know where I'll put that I have it
is somewhere what you should look up. Yeah, I was excited.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I was like, the one that was very exciting. I
think you were here when it happened. When I got
that note that looks like it was some sort of
ransom note from the nineties, like like Matt Locke or something.
It was written, not even written, but it was all

(01:01:13):
letters cut out of magazines, especially who even has magazines anymore,
and took that amount of time to cut all the
letters out, and it was like, you better shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
I know where you are.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I can find you at even give a moment. Obviously
I already found you with this letter, Like there was
so much in this stupid letter, and I was kind
of laughing because I was like, what the what in
the nineties hell is this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
This is crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
And then all of a sudden, people around us started
getting real tense about it, and they were like, oh,
we have to call threat assessment because yes, we do
have these people who look out for us, which is nice.
We love that. So they are on the way to
get threat assessment and I see Andrew and Elvis get
real squirmy, and Elvis is like, I already calmed down.

(01:01:54):
It's not that serious. It's not a big deal. It's
just somebody being stupid. It's not a big deal. And
I turned and looked at him and said, what do
you know? Because if he didn't know something, he would
have been the first person like, get threat assessment down here.
We're gonna figure this out. Turns out it was our
naughty little friend John who we talked about in the
last episode, who recently passed away. He liked to get
up to some shit and he thought it was so funny, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
It was hilarious. It was hilarious. That was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Andrew was just sitting there like sweating, like, oh, lit,
I think this is getting into a direction. I didn't
want it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
To go oh no, John made Andrew sweat a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Good times. Yeah, yeah, all right, Diamond. If people want
to follow you, where can they find you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
At Diamond sincere on Instagram, I am at Baby Hot Sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
If you can get past the shadow band, as we
always say, like follow, subscribe, leave us a review, leave
us a talk back, and follow the Instagram page at Sauce.
On the side, we actually post little videos of what
we're doing in the studio, which is typically just sitting
in a chair talking to one another. But you can
come watch and we would appreciate it, and we will
see you guys next time. And don't forget. You can

(01:02:59):
go pick up Lurataloon's book and you can read the
entire thing, her whole saga. It is a wild ride,
and I'm so glad that she's on the other side
of it now I'm talking about these very important things.
Lrata lyon Unbroken. We will see you next time. Say bye,
Diamond Bye.