Today, Nicole is joined by host of Sauce on the Side and co-host of Elvis Duran and the Morning Show, Medha Gandhi! They discuss Netflix’s newest shocking documentary, Maternal Instinct, and Gandhi introduces Nicole to “hobosexuals.” Then they get into a mixup at an IVF lab, some conspiracies involving Nancy Guthrie and Charlie Kirk, and finish up the episode with the legalization of weed.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a special guest.
She is co host of the Elvis Durand and The
Morning Show and is also on the Elvis Durand podcast
network with us with her own show that is really
awesome that we've been on a couple times called Sauce
on the Side. Hi, Gandhi, thanks for being here today.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hi Nicole, I love you. You know, I'm always happy
to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is like, really weird because you're normally the host.
Take over if you want. I don't care, It'll no,
it's awkward. So all right, we've been texting about this
Maternal Instinct documentary and did you have you guys talked
about it at all on your show or on the
met like what are your.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Nicole? Where to begin? We have talked about it. So
watching that documentary because I actually don't really remember when
the case was in the news, and it wasn't that
long ago, which was kind of surprising. Everything you learn
in that documentary is crazier than the thing before it.
It was one of those that it just kept going
and I said it can't get crazier, but I know
(01:24):
how it started, so I knew it was going to
get crazier, and I am just baffled by the failure
on so many different levels that got everybody to the
place that this documentary is really about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, Well, let me start off by saying a
little bit about what it's about for those that haven't
seen it, And if you want to see it, then
turn this off because there's going to be spoilers. So
you probably didn't hear about this case because it was
happening like in the middle of crazy COVID times and
it just was. But a couple cases like this have
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happened over the past couple of years. This is not
just like a freak occurrence, which is even more disturbing.
But the movie is based on the murder of a
woman named Reagan Simmons Hancock, and she was pregnant, pregnant
mother from Texas. She was thirty five to thirty six
weeks pregnant when she got murdered, and she was murdered
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by a woman named Tayler Parker who had been lying
to her boyfriend and everyone around her saying that she
was pregnant. The entire time when she really wasn't and
here she killed this woman and tried to pass this
baby off as her own, and a lot of people
were seeing her lies throughout the entire time, which is
(02:39):
what you're referring to. But nobody came together and really
did anything about it, I guess. And this is where
we ended.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Right I. I don't even know where to begin with it,
because it was like she Elija just got worse. It
started out well, and there's clearly, as I'm sure you know,
there's a pathology behind this lying and people who lie
like that. Where it started out her saying her mother
was incredibly wealthy and she was going to come into
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all of this money. And in the meantime, she was
buying cars, she was trying to buy property, she was
buying like ATVs inside by sides and somehow getting approved
for all of it. And then when she went to
get a loan to actually buy property, that's when some
people started saying, this is a little suspicious because none
of these loan officers or financial people are calling us back.
(03:32):
We can't get a hold of them. We can't really
even find record that their companies existed. And from there
it just snowballed because the guy, what is his name,
Wayne Wade Wade Ye Wade Wade, was ready to leave her,
and it seemed like she was trying to buy him
in some ways and keep him around. She clearly set
her sights on this guy and was just obsessed. And
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then as he was finally at this place of I
think I'm done up now, all of a sudden, she's pregnant.
And the craziest thing was that her best friends saw
her and well ex best friends, I guess I should say,
they saw her announcement online and were like, wait a second,
she's had a hysterectomy. There's no way she can be pregnant.
And therein start so many of the lies. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well yeah, and it's and this is I kept going
back and forth because you're sitting here listening to all
of these people that are getting That's what's the coolest
part of it is that you're actually hearing from the
real people that were involved with the case, and you're
just like, how did you not say anything? But then
if you think about it in reality, like right now,
(04:37):
if I knew somebody that was doing that, what am
I going to call the cops and say someone's faking
they're pregnant. They're going to be like and like, who
do you tell?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I don't. I think that you're right. That's a
really tough one. And it's also like, how involved do
you want to get if you were once friends with
this person and you know that they're clearly crazy, do
you even want to get into the mud with whatever's
going on. What I thought was really interesting though, and
brought up probably a lot of really good questions, was
her gun ecology team also knew this is not possible.
(05:08):
They lived in a small town, so they had seen
some of the stuff online and were like, wait a second,
there's no way. But they can't violate HIPPA and tell somebody, hey,
heads up, this woman is unable to get pregnant. So
they just kind of sat back and watched it all
unfold horrifically. It ended up really really sad, but even
I mean, there's a part in the documentary where the
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doctors are saying, we put out a warning in the hospital,
beware of this woman if she comes in here, because
they thought she was going to try to steal a baby.
So people had ideas that she was what she ended
up being.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I think for normal thinking people, no one would have
been able to ever imagine that that would be what
she would do, because you you would never you'd be like, Okay,
she's going to steal a baby, Like, I don't think
it ever crossed anybody's mind that she would actually cut
a baby out of a pregnant person.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's a crazy thing to do. It's like a horrific
Lifetime movie gone wrong. I mean, I guess maybe just
gone normally if it's a Lifetime movie, but I just
I was so floored by the whole thing, and just
even in the beginning when she has the baby freshly
cut out of the mother's womb, dying in her lap,
and the cops take her to the hospital and they say,
(06:26):
did you just have this baby? And she's really doubling
down like yes, as though she's not in a hospital
and they're not going to examine her and see, you
did not just have a baby. It took that doctor
two seconds and he said, a baby did not just
come out of there. Something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean I just watched Maria push for hours,
and like, I know what it looks like down there,
and it's nothing that you would normally recognize on a
normal day, like it just gets very swollen and like angry,
you know, So just that alone. But then they did
the blood test, the HGG test, which was negative. They
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did an ultrasound her. I mean, like, your uterus is
huge still after you deliver, so all of the signs
weren't there. She didn't even have blood on her nothing,
Like what the whole thing is so outrageous and I
just I just keep The biggest part of the whole
thing really was the obstetrician team that had treated her before,
(07:24):
so they knew she had a previous tubal ligation like
a sterilization procedure because she said she didn't want to
have kids, and then she presented a couple of years
later with an ectopic pregnancy and an ovary cyst. At
that time, they were like, let's just take out your
whole all of your uterus and you and your tubes
and your ovaries. So they did that procedure and they
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knew it. I just can't believe. I'm thinking, like from
a hip of perspective, yes, but again, I think they're
in the same situation where it's like she's faking a pregnancy,
but like who do you tell, like you, yes, you
can't how the boyfriend or the husband because of the
hippop because that would be a break and hippop. But
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I know for certain they would be able to talk
to law enforcement. It's just like what law was she breaking?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I guess right, Like is lying a crime? I feel
like it should be, but it often is not. And
I mean for you because you work in the industry,
so you know how the hippolaws work. Is it that
if it's a threat to another person then you can
violate it? Or is it no matter what, you can't
say anything?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, I would I would think I don't know one
hundred percent, but just I wouldn't violate it unless there
was a situation like I can't really think of one
in my particular field that there would be like, oh,
you have to call the cops and whatever. But I
wouldn't have a problem if I thought if I was
(08:51):
in those people's position, right. The thing is is that
I'm just thinking, like who who would who would I
call it? There's another situation that I actually know a person.
I know a person through a person that faked having cancer, right,
oh God, and her friends were texting me and asking
(09:11):
me questions about all this stuff that she said was
happening to her, and I was like, no, Like, you know,
when all this stuff starts coming out, you're like that
doesn't even medically make any sense or whatever. But the
only reason that she really got caught was because she
was doing like like a go fund me thing. And
that's when you can get in trouble when you're because
then you're breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But if you're just defrauding people, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
If you're just telling people you're pregnant like you're it
seems bizarre, but I guess it's not breaking the law.
And do you want to hear something even more bizarre?
Like always you could go on Amazon and buy a
fake pregnant belly. Why do they have so many of
them for sale?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was what I thought was insane too, that you
can just go buy that kind of stuff? Why do that?
Was it like a halloween costume thing, but it seemed
like it was. I mean, a halloween costume you would
think was just cheap whatever, but this one it also
looked like it simulated a body. Oh Yahn's actual body.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Their silicon I just looked them up. I was like
wait can I because I could see for movies and stuff,
you need them, but like, what other situation would you
ever need that for? Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
To this?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Apparently there's so there's silicon and they they look like
good they have they have one that like can kick
and stuff because remember.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's crazy, right, yes, yeah, you're right. In that documentary
she was like, do you want to feel the baby kick?
So what was going on over there? It's just nuts.
I and the fact that she befriended this poor girl, Reagan,
who ended up ultimately dying and having her feetus cut
out of her body was just so diabolical. I mean,
(10:47):
the way that this woman Taylor had planned all of
this out and actually thought she was gonna get away
with it is something to be studied or at least
discussed on a podcast exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So I was, so, I'm curious, like, does she have
any kind of diagnosis? So apparently there was a psychologist
who evaluated her for ten and a half hours and
said she did not have a severe mental disease or
defect and she did not have multiple personalities, even though
she claimed she had an imaginary aggressive friend named Coraline,
(11:21):
which also sounds like a lie. Right, you're like, well, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I'm sorry, that's not funny because of like what happened,
but also hilarious. I have an imaginary aggressive friend named Coraline.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. Okay, So this psychologist's conclusion was that she had
significant personality disturbance, not a major psychotic disorder, which is
good to know because he's basically saying, like she knew
right from wrong. Yeah, she could stand trial, and she did,
and she's on death row.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Actually she's the youngest woman on death row, right, I
think that's what they said at the end of the
documentary in whatever state she's in, maybe even in the country,
I'll look it up, but it was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's her death throawt sentence is like keeps getting appealed, though,
which is just like so annoying.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Why why waste all the time and effort and money.
I mean, what she did to that woman was so
brutal and so insane, and I mean, we are really
telling you everything that happened in this documentary, but the
fact that her mother found her like that, I just
cannot imagine the trauma that every single person involved in
that had to deal with. But I will say my
(12:48):
favorite character in all of it was the hillbilly friend
who just kept being like, not fucking told him. I
told him, this chick is crazy, dude, get away from
her house, like I love this guy. Listen to this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, this is what was really interesting about it too,
because you got to see like old friends and this
and that, and and it's just like the people that
were in her direct inner circle at that exact time.
It's just funny because you're you're sitting there seeing everyone's
different kind of personality that that would be your friends,
(13:21):
and which ones could see through bullshit like right away.
I mean that one, the one lady and her husband,
they I don't know if it was her the friend,
it was his friend, right, Wade's friend.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I think they saw through that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They saw through her like right away, as.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Soon as she was buying all the expensive stuff and
just being way overly sort of like love bombing the
crap out of him, they were like, oh, be careful
with this. This is wild. And he ignored everybody. He
ignored his family, he ignored his friends. It was wild.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That That is something that I did write down in
my notes, actually love bombing, like oh, people like I
I feel like it's a very I've seen it with
a couple girlfriends of mine too, Like it's very weird
when a person starts dating and gets so hot and
heavy and wants to move in so fast. I just
think it's it's like a red flag.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's a huge red flag. Have you heard of hobosexuality. No,
So there's like this whole movement. I don't even know
if I want to call it a movement, but there
is a category of dating that people call hobosexuality where
somebody just really comes in hot and heavy because they
need a place to live, like they're hobos, and they
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find somebody that has an apartment and maybe an extra
bedroom or whatever it is, and they love bomb the
crap out of you and they move in immediately and
they are practicing hobosexuality.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's amazing. It's no, it's so accurate because I know
somebody like that, and it's like the guy like never
really had his own house. It was just like girlfriend
to girlfriend to girlfriend, like it's just and now he's
getting ready to break up with one and is going
to go to the back to the other. Like I'm
just like he never had a place to live on
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his own. He doesn't know how to.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Do it, no idea. I have a couple of girlfriends
who and it seems like the girlfriends of mine are
the ones that have dealt with this, not so much
the guy friends of mine. But I do have a
few girlfriends who it went from zero to a hundred
really quickly. And this guy just moved in. And then
when you find out where he moved from, it was
either a friend's house, a girlfriend's house, or his parents' house.
And I just think, ew, what is happening.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's way interesting, right and yeah, and so that's and
this is like opposite it was happening with her that
she wanted to move in. I also think she had
a touch of like Munchausen's, like you know, you know
that condition where you enjoy having all of these medical
problems and like getting the attention from it. This is
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probably like a really extreme form of it. But her
friends were just mentioning that she was always sick. I
think she faked having a stroke before. She just always
had like medical issues and stuff like that. It's it's
weird too, cause she's like in some of the pictures anyway,
she looked like like a decent looking person, like she
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she wouldn't have to, I don't know, like try so
hard whatever she was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You wouldn't think so. But there was obviously something very
off about her, and even just like some of the
parents and the way that they were talking about all
of it just so nonchalantly. It was I I'm afraid
of the world when I see things like this, because,
like you said, she looked like a normal person, pretty
good looking. You would never think that somebody would be
(16:39):
walking around with this tendency in them to cut a
baby out of a living person and kill them like
I now, I trust no one, not that I did anyway,
but like she's this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It is crazy when you think about it too, just
like when they were showing all the searches she was
doing and that like looking up how to do a
C section and then getting scalpel blas. There's a lot.
There's a lot of things, and it's not just this story.
It's like lots of news stories that we talk about that.
I'm just like, there's no reason that people need to
be able to buy this stuff on Amazon, right, like
(17:11):
chemicals like like sulfuric acid and stuff. You know, there
was just like a sulfuric acid attack in Jersey City.
You're just like, why why can someone just go buy
that on Amazon? Why doesn't a regular person even need that?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You would think that with all the AI that's like
popping up now, all the uses of AI, that that
would maybe be a good one, Like flag somebody if
on Amazon they've bought zip ties, sulfuric acid, a fake
pregnant belly, and scalpels, maybe that's like a weird combination
of things. No, wait, that's how you should use it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We had a story like last year that was a
person on door dash ordered like a shovel, a rope,
just things to bury a dead body, zip ties from
like home deep out they door dash and the door
dasher called and it was like to a motel or
something in the doordasher called the police and they like
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caught the person they had someone like for ransom or
kidnapped in the room.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Oh my god. See, first of all, good for the
door dasher, because that's like if you got that order,
wouldn't you be like, I'm not so sure about this.
Something seems a little strange. And then thank god, a
crime was actually thwarted. Meanwhile, this woman was buying all
this stuff on Amazon clearly to do horrible things. I
don't get it either. It's wild.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, and especially with this woman too, like just all
of the different aspects of everybody that knew a little
piece of it. I mean it's easier because you're what
did they call it, like Monday Morning quarter or yeah, right,
like yep, you're watching it all now that we know everything,
But this was back in twenty twenty plus. It was
(18:50):
COVID and like people weren't getting together and there was
just like it just you just look at it and
you're like, okay, all right, so speak Oh speaking of kidnapping.
By the way, did you do you hear the latest
with the Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I heard a little this morning that a second ransom
note was sent, like back in February, saying that she
was dead by accident and she was buried in nature.
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I did hear that, And that's sort of what
we were all thinking, right.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh, yeah, totally. It's just I don't know, like it's
it's interesting because a lot of the different news sources
are arguing about what the letter said. Some people are
saying that they're apologizing for it. Other people are saying
they're not apologizing for it. So I don't know where
the source is coming from, but here is. Here is
some of the stuff that has has been reported that
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was written on the note. It said, we did not
fully grasp the seriousness of her physical condition, never intended
to hurt her, parish shortly after she was taken, believed
it was heart related, buried with nature, and nothing you
could have done to change the outcome. We are truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oof I gotta I'm not sure how to feel about that.
I feel very sad for Savannah Guthrie and her family
because how horrific. We sort of thought that that was
what happened after the second week, because once it was
reported that it looked like there was a struggle and
her age and her health and the fact that all
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of her meds were left behind, it was sort of
only a matter of time unless they found her alive,
that something bad was going to happen, unless these people
somehow had access to prescriptions for her heart medicine. I
just think it's really sad that they don't have closure
with remains or a body of any sort to actually
believe it it's got to be hard for them. And
(20:43):
it makes a lot of sense too why the family
sort of packed it up and left when they did.
If this is, if all of this is true.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that they were just like, all right, she's not
coming back alive. The whole thing of it is just
so weird. I just still can't wrap my brain around
what the point of it was.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You know, do you have any guesses?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I just really I don't like I feel like I
feel like Savannah kind of represents like an all American
sweetheart kind of you know, she's like the face of
it because she's on the news every day. She and
and a lot of people know her. So at first,
I was just like, could there be some kind of
like a like a terrorist thing, like I don't know,
(21:27):
like some kind of a foreign thing that's trying to
do something I don't know. That was like one thing,
But it doesn't. It never looked like it was ever
pointing that way. It also could just be completely coincidental,
just like, oh, this is a rich lady that lives
by herself, and we could do this, Like my mom's
(21:49):
one of my mom's friends. Her mother owned a store
in Philadelphia, like a clothing store. But she was really
really old, and like someone was stalking around all that
she was alone there a lot in the mornings, and
someone like went in and beat the shit out of
her and stole money from her. She was like an
old lady and they like really beat her up, right,
And it's just like that happens to old people. Like
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they're they're they're really taking advantage of a lot because
because they don't know technology and stuff as well, and
they don't have like the alarms set and they don't
believe in alarms or whatever. Like it's it's an easier
target than another person that might be living in that neighborhood.
Like you don't know if somebody was just stalking her
(22:34):
out or or or it could be coincident. I just
don't know, do you, like, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I have no idea. I thought so many different things.
And our mutual friend Andrew was convinced that it had
something to do with the cartel and that the cartel
came and took her, And I said, I don't really
think that's what they do, not that I know any
of them or really have a good grasp on how
they operate, but based on what we do know. It
doesn't seem like they attack. It seems like they have
(23:02):
purposeful measures on who they go after, why they go
after them, and what they do once they have somebody.
So he thought it was maybe something with the cartel
gone wrong. There was all kinds of talk that it
could have been politically motivated because she did that interview
with Trump that a lot of people say pushed things
in one direction or another and he didn't necessarily like
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it or look really great coming out of it, or
probably more likely it's what you said, which is somebody
just saw an opportunity, thought they had a grasp on
the situation, didn't and made a huge mistake. And I'm
sure that Nancy at her age probably had this, which
probably a lot of them do this, like false sense
of security. Well I've made it this long, nobody's really
(23:45):
going to bother me. Now I should be fine, And
in reality it's the exact opposite. You're even more vulnerable,
and it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, she was living there a large portion
of her life. It's quite I've been to that area
of Tucson. It's like it's so quiet and dead at night,
like nobody's bothering anybody, you know, like in theory that's
speak the cartel though, like I know a little bit
about them because I've you know, I've been involved with
(24:13):
some cases or you know, and know some stuff all that,
and well just like from forensic stuff, from just my
education and stuff, and they they they don't. It wouldn't
seem likely to me. Like they do the most vicious
shit to each other, right, Like I mean, and some
people send me crazy videos on Instagram of stuff that
(24:35):
like cartel stuff, right, I don't even want to look
at it because it's so gruesome. And but they don't
do that. They don't they do that to each other.
It's like retaliation and sending It's a lot of like
sending symbols of things in retaliation. So I just don't
think that it. I mean, it is proximate proximity wise,
(24:56):
it is right there at the border, but I don't
know that that you know it. That's why it's weird.
There was also like that that other interview she did
with the Epstein victims that a lot of people say,
like who knows anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Right, Listen, I'm at the point now where anytime somebody
presents a theory that might seem a little quote unquote crazy.
I'm like, tell me more. I'm here for it because
all the things that we once thought were insane, which
we talked about in other episodes, are really not that
insane now. And you know, this trial is starting up
for the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk, and there are
(25:32):
so many questions that I'm sure are going to go
along with that. Who did it? Why did they do it?
I think a lot of people are on the page
that the kid that they have probably didn't do it.
It's just a wild like, yeah, tell me more about it.
I'm in what do you What do you think about that?
Do you think that they like, do you think there's
a conspiracy behind it?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Everyone right, anybody actually take this at face value?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think, Okay, so, oh, my friends are at dinner
one day and they're on the same page as us,
which is like, we don't buy this. Well, everything that
you're telling us I don't buy, Like, don't piss on
my leg and tell me it's raining. This doesn't make sense.
But the people that they were at dinner with when
they brought that up, the people were like, wait, what
do you mean you think that there was a conspiracy.
So I think we all I know, I think we
(26:21):
all hang out with like minded people. We hang out
with people like us who are, you know, kind of
balls deep in the news and reading all these different things.
But there's just this whole faction of humans out there
that are not so I think you and I and
our friends are going to say, of course there's more
to this, of course, look at it, everything about it.
But there's also a ton of people that have no
(26:43):
idea and just want to believe that what the government
tells us is what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Their life must be bliss. Honestly, just to imagine being
like I say that to some of my friends like
that that they just don't like. One of my friends
is a nurse and she's just like, oh, I don't
watch the news, and I'm like, you, you don't know
any of this stuff, Like what is it? Like you're
it must be so relaxing to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Be I know so many people I work with some
people who are like, I don't watch the news because
it just stresses me out. And I think that you're right,
that has to be bliss. Also, you're just buying all
this everything around us, like we're just all living in
different realities, I guess, and some people really want to
believe that what happened with Charlie Kirk is what they're
telling us.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
But come on, oh no, I didn't believe. You know,
at first, you're just kind of like, okay, there's because
there's always like there's always like young like in cel
kind guys that do stuff like this, like Timothy McVeigh whatever,
like you should go through history. So you're at first
you're kind of like, all right, maybe, But then when
they started, I swear it was like the first day
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when they started releasing those text messages that they were
I was.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like, come please right, and things written on bullets like
who's doing this? Who would do that? I have a
friend I might have told you this already, but I
have a friend who has that exact same rifle he
said to be able to shoot from as far away
as they claim he shot and hit a target like
that would be one professional marksman like Olympic shooter type
of stuff, but two that that specific weapon is meant
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to absolutely kill and immobilize big game. So if a
bullet from one of those hit somebody in a very
soft part of the neck. Not to be too graphic,
but I feel like this is a place to do it.
If anything, it would have shredded his neck, in his head,
just everything would have come apart. It wouldn't have been
this kind of clean little book thing that happened where
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now all of a sudden you've hit an exact artery
and he's bleeding out right there. He said it would
have been far far grosser and gorrier, not that it
wasn't gross and gory, but that that bullet would have
done a whole lot more damage than it did.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, exactly. There's just there's just so many and there
was no exit, I think, and oh it's just him
like his Superman's spine stopped it, and like all this
the whole thing is just it's just so outrageous. And
then you heard that they that they paved over the
whole area where he was shot, like.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
A day later, like immediately, And then this is so
wee nutjob Erica Kirk going around acting like I don't
even know what goes on with her but that, and
you know, everybody's gonna grieve differently. Her behavior since has
been absolutely bizarre. And then you've got Candice Owens, who
I also thought was a lunatic, who's now railing in
the other direction, basically saying, yeah, they killed him, they
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killed him for a reason, and I'm gonna let it out.
I don't know when she's actually gonna let it all out,
because like we're waiting, but.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I need to collect the views.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, but first let me make money. Like it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. The Erica Kirk situation is super bizarre. Like at first,
I the first day, I felt terrible, just like that
she had to maybe even see that video because you
don't ever want to even think about that, right. But
then there's something like very weird with her eyes and stuff,
like I just can't with.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Her poor a. Also when she tries to act like
her feelings are her and you're like, that's just not
a normal reaction to anything. It's like you're trying to
figure out which emotion to let out. I don't did
you watch The Handmaid's Tale by an each Oe?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Now I didn't say it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
She reminds me a little bit of a woman on
that who ended up crafting sort of the backbone for Gilead,
which is this horrible place where everybody lives. Now, Erica
Kirk reminds me of Serena Joy. It's just a very
strange combination of things. But all of that to say,
whatever they're gonna try and tell us is happening, I
just I don't buy it. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, I don't either. I don't know. I don't know
what's up with that whole situation with her. And I mean, like,
on one hand, I'm like, I don't know, Like if
my husband was murdered like that and then everybody was
just like half the country's like, good, he's dead. Like
I don't know, maybe she's having like like a PTSD
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response or something like I'm trying to give her the
benefit of the doubt, but like, I just I can't something.
There's something up with like a bigger picture with him,
just like a JFK situation in a way, and.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So, did you guys talk about this weird story with
this IVF mix up case.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Or they switched them and one of them gave birth
to a baby that was not theirs.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, well both of them did so on so one
of them, so one couple, let me let me set
this up a little bit. One couple named Tiffany and Steven.
They spent years trying to have a baby. They finally
get this embryo in put inside of them, she gets,
you know, she's pregnant. The pregnancy sixul and she has
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this baby. And as soon as she has the baby,
they realize that something's wrong because the baby has really
dark brown skin and they're.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Right, it's a black baby.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, I think it's it's he. She's black or Indian
or something. She has like darker skin color, and the
mom is like, not even not like she's whiter than me.
She's got like those light blue eyes and super pale
skin and there's no way that this is her kid.
And you know, when a baby comes out at first,
they all kind of look the same for a little bit,
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and then and then they start like, you know, having
their real skin collar and stuff, and then you're like, okay,
this is not And now when you see the kid
at like six months old, you're like, this is definitely
not their child. There's no way and no way. And
they know they know how she got pregnant because it
was done in a lab, so they figure out, you know,
they're suspicious right away. I can't even imagine how how
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you would feel in that situation. So she goes and
gets in dependent genetic testing and finds out that it's
not her baby and it's not her husband's. It's not like,
you know, maybe they just took her egg and someone
else's sperm or something and mixed it. It was like, no,
it's not genetically related to them at all. So then
they went back to this clinic and they figured out
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whose baby it actually belongs to. They as of right now,
they don't have a baby that's out there missing, like
nobody has their baby. They don't. Oh yeah, yeah, So
it's terrible. So you have this one mom who's having
her first baby that is not hers, and this other
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couple that they contacted that knows that it's their baby
and they somehow. So there's lawsuits and everything involved, obviously,
But the weirdest part of all this that came out
this week is that the parents have gotten together with
their lawyers and everything, and they've come up with a
custody agreement.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And it gets weirder because the parents that do not
genetically belong to the child, they're the ones that are
keeping the baby.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, so I saw that and I don't understand how
that works because it is genetically somebody else's child. Understandably,
you're attached to it, you carried it to term, it
grew inside you, so you want to have this baby,
but it is someone else's baby. I don't. That is
the craziest case ever. I'm not sure how I would
handle it, but part of me thinks I would give
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it to the couple who wanted to also have a baby.
Now you have a baby, and I would see the
shit out of that IVF clinic and be like, you're
gonna pay me surrogacy fees and then a ton of
punitive damages, because this is wild.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is exactly I'm glad you're saying this because I
had We were like arguing at Father's Day with my
whole family here because you know, Maria's feeling all romantic
because she just had a baby, and she's like, I
could just never give it up. I was like, it
is not your.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Kids, not yours.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, Like I'm literally and I'm like, Sarah gets to
do it all the time. It's it's fine, Like just
you just have to be like, that's not my child,
it's theirs, and like, what are you gonna keep like
it's just weird.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And then have this like very strange custody arrangement. Also
because I mean that kid's gonna be maybe not confused,
I guess if people are just open and honest. But
wouldn't you be like, well, my parents, I see them,
my actual parents every week, Like can't I just live
with them?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, it's why, And I wouldn't want to have the
connection with the other family the rest of my life.
Like I understand that you're bonded by this experience, but
like I'm sorry, and I know it'll be traumatic for
the baby, Like you have a baby that you're you've
been raised in six months and now you're gonna just
stick it in a straight But like people do that
with adoption all the time. They'll be fine for sure. Good.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And those people clearly wanted a baby. You're not giving
it to a home that didn't want the child. They
went to an IVF clinic too, trying to have a kid,
and yay, they have a kid. Now give them their kid.
I can't process this one. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The only thing that I the only thing I could
think of is that the other family maybe already had
kids and these ones were in storage and they decided
that they didn't want to have more kids. But they
were okay because a lot of times, so for example,
when Maria did the IVF, she only got one embryo,
so like, waylan was it. If it didn't work, she
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was going to have to go through the whole process
again and spend all that money again and all this stuff. Right, Yeah,
so some people, like most of the time, actually people
get a bunch of embryos that they leave frozen that
they could use it a later time. And obviously, like
you don't want to destroy them because they're technically like
you know, there's all like laws and morals things about
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that to just destroy them. So a lot of times
people they will if they're not going to use them,
but they'll leave them there until the very last minute,
or they'll donate them to a couple. So if it
was the same situation like that that they had already
decided they didn't want more kids, and you know, maybe
that they were supposed to get destroyed and didn't get
destroyed or something like that, I could see them possibly.
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But at the same time, like you have their siblings.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Right, how bizarre you want them to grow up with
their siblings. I would want them to grow up with
their siblings. One of us needs to get these people
on a podcast, right, We have to find them. Yeah,
and you're just crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They're all over the news holding this baby, and I'm
just like, don't these people like turn on the internet
and see their baby being I don't know. I can't
wrap my head around it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I can't either. It's one of those things where I
know it's a baby and not a wallet, But just
because you find a wallet doesn't mean it's your wallet.
Now somebody still owns that wallet. Give it to them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, you might really like it, and you might be like,
oh shit, this is like a really good Louis vuiton
while they're like, I couldn't afford on my own and
I'm just gonna sit here and stare at it. But
it's not yours.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yours, you go. I don't all power to whatever it
is they decide to do. A custody arrangement. Seems crazy.
I would love to revisit this in a few years
because I bet things are gonna change.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It just has to. I just I just don't even
understand it. All right. One final thing I want to
talk to you before you go. Yes, Massachusetts apparently maybe
turning over their marijuana law, like their recreational marijuana law.
They're trying to put it on the ballot to see
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if they could overturn it. Now, what do you like?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I wholeheartedly disagree with it. I lived in Boston for
a while before I moved here. I was living in
Boston and they were one of the earlier adopters of
legalizing it. And to me, legalizing marijuana just makes sense.
I think legalizing a lot of things actually makes sense.
Like we're starting to see now this research behind psilocybin
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and how impactful it is with people who have PTSD
or other chemical issues with their brains, and it sort
of helps to reset it. I think weed can do
that as well for certain people. You know, there's I'm
on I'm very much progressive when it comes to this
kind of stuff, and I understand where people are not.
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But I don't see the benefit in taking it away,
especially if it really is creating this revenue for the
state that has been helping it out in a lot
of ways, which I guess maybe we should look at
those numbers before that's actually decided. I also think making
things illegal makes it more enticing to people than not
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than just legalizing it.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know, like, all right, this is going to be
awesome because I one hundred percent think total opposite of you, okay, perfect,
which is great that we don't agree on something. So
I think personally when things get legalized, that more people
are inclined to do it because the government's telling them
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it's okay, and therefore they think that it's safe. Okay.
It's the same with alcohol and drinking. And I do
understand your point because like when they made alcohol illegal
during prohibition time and stuff, like, people were still doing
it because they're they're like intrigued by it and this
and that. So I I thought some of my concerns
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at first when they wanted to legalize marijuana. At first,
I was like, Okay, I'm like all for this, because
I like, I don't really like telling people what to do,
like if they want to do it, and everybody's doing
it anyway, so like what's the difference. But then I
was just kind of like, uh, a lot more people
are going to start doing it now because because the
government's saying it's okay, because before it would even be
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like if you went to the doctor and they would
say do you do you do you know, they asked
you do you drink? Do you smoke? And stuff like that,
and they would say do you do any recreational drugs?
Like I always would be like, no, I never smoked,
no way, right, because I was scared I was gonna
get like arrested or so, I don't know, right, And
now it's just like yeah, like everybody's doing it. And
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to the point like I took my daughter to Children's
hospital a couple of weeks ago because she has to
go to doctor's appointments there, and I'm like I get
in the elevator out of the car to go up
to the main floor of the hospital, and there's like
a dad and his kid and the whole entire elevator
stinks like weed. And it's like I've noticed like a
huge increase in people, Like when is there ever a
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time where you're driving your kid to a doctor's appointment
or the hospital that you had to have just smoked weed?
Like it's weird to me. People are just like I
smell it everywhere all the time. I feel like there's
like an increase use see it in traffic all the time,
So I don't know exactly what their reasoning is. Do
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they have a re like, what's their reason to put
to say we want to get rid of this now
and we've already allowed.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It, right. I'd be interested to see what that is.
And also my question to you as a pathology assistant,
which do you see have a more negative impact on
a body? Is it alcohol or is it weed?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, it depends because the thing is is that there
there hasn't been. I know that a lot of people
are like, no person has ever died from smoking weed,
which is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Not true because that's not true.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It's just not true. Also, we don't have the same
statistics for it because of people not being honest about
the use of it. So like we you don't because
whenever you have something like marijuana, right, or anything tobacco,
when you've burned something, you're changing the chemical composition of
that which could then cause changes to your DNA. So
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you don't know. Like if I said to you, oh,
is it dangerous to eat a hamburger or hot dog?
You would be like, no, it's fine, but like yeah,
but when you char it on the grill, it makes
it a carcinogen. You know, it's increases your risk of
stomach cancer and things like that. So you changed the
chemical of it and now it's no longer marijuana. It's
burnt marijuana and it can be a carcinogen. So and
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and listen, I had a doctor because I used to
smoke weed a lot, like back in the day. And
one of my doctors that I worked with, who was
a urologist, was just like because I was having some
urinary problems and he's just like, are you still smoking weed?
And I was like yeah, And I was like, it's
not gonna like, it's not that big of a deal
and stuff, because when you smoke cigarettes it increases your
risk for bladder cancer. He's like, I think it is
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for marijuana too. He's like, I'm just putting it out there.
And this was like twenty years ago. He was saying,
you know, so I don't know, Like I don't, I
don't really care either way. I was. I was for
it too, because I, like you were just saying with
the tax revenue. But for example, like in my town,
we got there's a dispensary on every corner in New Jersey. Well,
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you live in New Jersey everywhere. It's everywhere, yep. And
I'm like, well, where's where's the payback for us? Like,
where is it? I haven't gotten my taxes lowered. I
haven't Like where's the money going?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Right, you have you should be able to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah. So, so like if it's just going and you know,
to the billions of dollars that are getting thrown in
the trash with all the other tax I don't know,
You're just kind of like, what are you what's the point?
And then you're just like, well, why are they taking
it away now? And it is kind of messed up
because now you have all these businesses that opened, what
are you gonna like close their businesses down and stuff?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
And there's the whole well, people, we're not getting in
trouble for it because now it's legal, So are those
people going to now get in trouble for it again?
And what about the people who are serving time for
doing things with we and they got sentences overturned because
now it's legal. There's a lot of really weird back
and forth stuff that I think is going to happen
from it. But I'm just very interested in the fact that,
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like I don't know who decided that alcohol was safe
and weed wasn't at any point because alcohol is atrocious.
It's so bad for like every part of your body, right,
you know that you see it, for your liver, for
your brain, for every part of you. You are dousing
it with this potent poison, and people are okay with it.
We'ed seems a little less harmful than that. I'm not
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saying it's not home for at all. I know that
it is. And you know, my cousin is a pomonologist
and he was talking about the rise in cannabis hyperemesis,
which yeah, he's like, you know, the amount that people
are smoking now is really causing a lot of problems
and damage and we're going to have research on this
in ten to fifteen years, but as of right now,
it's pretty new and that's not great. I just if
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alcohol is legal, it's a really tough cell to me
to make we eg I'd rather be around.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, I understand that totally. Like and alcohol, it's really
interesting too because alcohol use is down big time, like
especially for young people. And it's like it's either it's
either because we it's legal now, or I mean, it's
also it's it's kind of not like not a good
thing in a way because I think it's showing that
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people aren't socializing anymore, which is terrible. But a lot
of people because there's a lot of prominent like wellness
influencers and stuff who were talking about how bad alcohol is.
I know, I've been talking about it for fifteen years. Yeah,
So like you have people listening to people all over
the place now and just being like you know, and
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a lot of it too is like don't you feel
When we were younger, it was like if you went
out and people were drinking, you would just do it
because you didn't want to like be judged or something
that you weren't like.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So I was honestly never like that because I'm so stubborn.
But I one hundred percent understand what you're talking about,
because even as an adult, I don't drink all the
time when we go out, but I will say to
the bartender, hey make me something that looks like an
alcoholic beverage so that I don't have to hear from
other people. Where is that lane because I just don't
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, yeah, because then they start like well what then
then it's like half the people are like, is she pregnant?
The other half like, oh, she must have a problem.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right're like, no, I just didn't feel like hurting my
body tonight. I didn't want to do it, So yeah,
I definitely do that. Though as an adult, I'll be like, hey,
put some water in a glass, throw a lime in
there and make it look special, and they're like, yeah,
no problem.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah. Well, but that culture now is being is so
much more accepted. Like we Gabe and I went away
for our anniversary, were at this fancy restaurant and they
had a whole entire menu of non alcoholic drinks, like
a lot of them, like fifteen of them.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Don't get me started, because all these assholes not drinking
have made the cost of juice at a restaurant shoot
through the roof, because that's all mocktails are. It's like,
instead of cranberry juice, they had a splash of orange
and now you're paying fifteen dollars for it, Like, please, oh,
just give me the orange.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Juice this place had. I don't know if you know this,
but they have like you could get it at the
liquor store. They sell fake like vodka and gin and
all this and champagne and why but it's like expensive
like alcohol. It's yeah, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's no, it tastes just like it. I don't want
it to taste like it. It's to me, alcohol does
ta taste Yeah, I don't like it. I recoil from it,
like I'm if I'm drinking, I'm drinking to get a
little buzz, which is not probably great, you know, but
that's why I'm drinking. So I don't want this. I'm
paying the same amount for less fun. Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, exactly, when you could just have weed and get
the same feeling.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Really exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
All Right, Well, thanks so much for being here today.
What's what it's going on in your world. What have
you talked about on your show recently? Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Man, So I just had Nick Cannon and Rip Michael's on,
and that was interesting. Nick talked a lot about his
narcissistic personality disorder. That's fascinating. Yeah, I mean he was
just kind of out there with it, and a lot
of people had a lot to say about how open
he was. They're like, oh, how narcissistic of him. So
that was interesting. I had Ben and Ronnie from a
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podcast called Watch what crappens. They're all about the Real Housewives.
I don't watch any of it, so I don't have
as much to contribute. But they're very funny guys and
I love them. And then we've had Diamond on just
a little bit. Diamond and I love to just shoot
the crap. It's been a really fun few months with
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the podcast, and I'm gonna do a spin off soon,
so yeah, I'm excited, And obviously I want you and
Maria on anytime that you guys want to join us,
because I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Of course we love you too, and Maria is looking
forward to coming back. And you also filled in for
our special project that we can't talk about yet.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Oh you can't. It's really cool though, I'm like, I
was so impressed by all of it and how you
guys are doing it and how Andrew is managing it.
To our buddy Andrew, I was like, oh, this is
really cool to see.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, it was really fun. All right, Well, where can
everyone reach you?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You can follow me on Instagram at Baby Hot Sauce.
I think I'm still shadow band. We'll find out. You
can listen to the podcast Sauce on the side wherever
you get your podcasts, and I mean that's pretty much it.
That's where I reside.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Awesome. Well, thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Thanks for having me. I love you, love you.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
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master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
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Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have a special guest.
She is co host of the Elvis Durand and The
Morning Show and is also on the Elvis Durand podcast
network with us with her own show that is really
awesome that we've been on a couple times called Sauce
on the Side. Hi, Gandhi, thanks for being here today.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Hi Nicole, I love you. You know, I'm always happy
to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This is like, really weird because you're normally the host.
Take over if you want. I don't care, It'll no,
it's awkward. So all right, we've been texting about this
Maternal Instinct documentary and did you have you guys talked
about it at all on your show or on the
met like what are your.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Nicole? Where to begin? We have talked about it. So
watching that documentary because I actually don't really remember when
the case was in the news, and it wasn't that
long ago, which was kind of surprising. Everything you learn
in that documentary is crazier than the thing before it.
It was one of those that it just kept going
and I said it can't get crazier, but I know
(01:24):
how it started, so I knew it was going to
get crazier, and I am just baffled by the failure
on so many different levels that got everybody to the
place that this documentary is really about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
All right, Well, let me start off by saying a
little bit about what it's about for those that haven't
seen it, And if you want to see it, then
turn this off because there's going to be spoilers. So
you probably didn't hear about this case because it was
happening like in the middle of crazy COVID times and
it just was. But a couple cases like this have
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happened over the past couple of years. This is not
just like a freak occurrence, which is even more disturbing.
But the movie is based on the murder of a
woman named Reagan Simmons Hancock, and she was pregnant, pregnant
mother from Texas. She was thirty five to thirty six
weeks pregnant when she got murdered, and she was murdered
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by a woman named Tayler Parker who had been lying
to her boyfriend and everyone around her saying that she
was pregnant. The entire time when she really wasn't and
here she killed this woman and tried to pass this
baby off as her own, and a lot of people
were seeing her lies throughout the entire time, which is
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what you're referring to. But nobody came together and really
did anything about it, I guess. And this is where
we ended.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Right I. I don't even know where to begin with it,
because it was like she Elija just got worse. It
started out well, and there's clearly, as I'm sure you know,
there's a pathology behind this lying and people who lie
like that. Where it started out her saying her mother
was incredibly wealthy and she was going to come into
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all of this money. And in the meantime, she was
buying cars, she was trying to buy property, she was
buying like ATVs inside by sides and somehow getting approved
for all of it. And then when she went to
get a loan to actually buy property, that's when some
people started saying, this is a little suspicious because none
of these loan officers or financial people are calling us back.
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We can't get a hold of them. We can't really
even find record that their companies existed. And from there
it just snowballed because the guy, what is his name,
Wayne Wade Wade Ye Wade Wade, was ready to leave her,
and it seemed like she was trying to buy him
in some ways and keep him around. She clearly set
her sights on this guy and was just obsessed. And
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then as he was finally at this place of I
think I'm done up now, all of a sudden, she's pregnant.
And the craziest thing was that her best friends saw
her and well ex best friends, I guess I should say,
they saw her announcement online and were like, wait a second,
she's had a hysterectomy. There's no way she can be pregnant.
And therein start so many of the lies. It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well yeah, and it's and this is I kept going
back and forth because you're sitting here listening to all
of these people that are getting That's what's the coolest
part of it is that you're actually hearing from the
real people that were involved with the case, and you're
just like, how did you not say anything? But then
if you think about it in reality, like right now,
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if I knew somebody that was doing that, what am
I going to call the cops and say someone's faking
they're pregnant. They're going to be like and like, who
do you tell?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I don't. I think that you're right. That's a
really tough one. And it's also like, how involved do
you want to get if you were once friends with
this person and you know that they're clearly crazy, do
you even want to get into the mud with whatever's
going on. What I thought was really interesting though, and
brought up probably a lot of really good questions, was
her gun ecology team also knew this is not possible.
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They lived in a small town, so they had seen
some of the stuff online and were like, wait a second,
there's no way. But they can't violate HIPPA and tell somebody, hey,
heads up, this woman is unable to get pregnant. So
they just kind of sat back and watched it all
unfold horrifically. It ended up really really sad, but even
I mean, there's a part in the documentary where the
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doctors are saying, we put out a warning in the hospital,
beware of this woman if she comes in here, because
they thought she was going to try to steal a baby.
So people had ideas that she was what she ended
up being.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I think for normal thinking people, no one would have
been able to ever imagine that that would be what
she would do, because you you would never you'd be like, Okay,
she's going to steal a baby, Like, I don't think
it ever crossed anybody's mind that she would actually cut
a baby out of a pregnant person.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's a crazy thing to do. It's like a horrific
Lifetime movie gone wrong. I mean, I guess maybe just
gone normally if it's a Lifetime movie, but I just
I was so floored by the whole thing, and just
even in the beginning when she has the baby freshly
cut out of the mother's womb, dying in her lap,
and the cops take her to the hospital and they say,
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did you just have this baby? And she's really doubling
down like yes, as though she's not in a hospital
and they're not going to examine her and see, you
did not just have a baby. It took that doctor
two seconds and he said, a baby did not just
come out of there. Something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, I mean I just watched Maria push for hours,
and like, I know what it looks like down there,
and it's nothing that you would normally recognize on a
normal day, like it just gets very swollen and like angry,
you know, So just that alone. But then they did
the blood test, the HGG test, which was negative. They
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did an ultrasound her. I mean, like, your uterus is
huge still after you deliver, so all of the signs
weren't there. She didn't even have blood on her nothing,
Like what the whole thing is so outrageous and I
just I just keep The biggest part of the whole
thing really was the obstetrician team that had treated her before,
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so they knew she had a previous tubal ligation like
a sterilization procedure because she said she didn't want to
have kids, and then she presented a couple of years
later with an ectopic pregnancy and an ovary cyst. At
that time, they were like, let's just take out your
whole all of your uterus and you and your tubes
and your ovaries. So they did that procedure and they
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knew it. I just can't believe. I'm thinking, like from
a hip of perspective, yes, but again, I think they're
in the same situation where it's like she's faking a pregnancy,
but like who do you tell, like you, yes, you
can't how the boyfriend or the husband because of the
hippop because that would be a break and hippop. But
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I know for certain they would be able to talk
to law enforcement. It's just like what law was she breaking?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I guess right, Like is lying a crime? I feel
like it should be, but it often is not. And
I mean for you because you work in the industry,
so you know how the hippolaws work. Is it that
if it's a threat to another person then you can
violate it? Or is it no matter what, you can't
say anything?
Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, I would I would think I don't know one
hundred percent, but just I wouldn't violate it unless there
was a situation like I can't really think of one
in my particular field that there would be like, oh,
you have to call the cops and whatever. But I
wouldn't have a problem if I thought if I was
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in those people's position, right. The thing is is that
I'm just thinking, like who who would who would I
call it? There's another situation that I actually know a person.
I know a person through a person that faked having cancer, right,
oh God, and her friends were texting me and asking
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me questions about all this stuff that she said was
happening to her, and I was like, no, Like, you know,
when all this stuff starts coming out, you're like that
doesn't even medically make any sense or whatever. But the
only reason that she really got caught was because she
was doing like like a go fund me thing. And
that's when you can get in trouble when you're because
then you're breaking the law.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But if you're just defrauding people, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
If you're just telling people you're pregnant like you're it
seems bizarre, but I guess it's not breaking the law.
And do you want to hear something even more bizarre?
Like always you could go on Amazon and buy a
fake pregnant belly. Why do they have so many of
them for sale?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That was what I thought was insane too, that you
can just go buy that kind of stuff? Why do that?
Was it like a halloween costume thing, but it seemed
like it was. I mean, a halloween costume you would
think was just cheap whatever, but this one it also
looked like it simulated a body. Oh Yahn's actual body.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Their silicon I just looked them up. I was like
wait can I because I could see for movies and stuff,
you need them, but like, what other situation would you
ever need that for? Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
To this?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Apparently there's so there's silicon and they they look like
good they have they have one that like can kick
and stuff because remember.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That's crazy, right, yes, yeah, you're right. In that documentary
she was like, do you want to feel the baby kick?
So what was going on over there? It's just nuts.
I and the fact that she befriended this poor girl, Reagan,
who ended up ultimately dying and having her feetus cut
out of her body was just so diabolical. I mean,
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the way that this woman Taylor had planned all of
this out and actually thought she was gonna get away
with it is something to be studied or at least
discussed on a podcast exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So I was, so, I'm curious, like, does she have
any kind of diagnosis? So apparently there was a psychologist
who evaluated her for ten and a half hours and
said she did not have a severe mental disease or
defect and she did not have multiple personalities, even though
she claimed she had an imaginary aggressive friend named Coraline,
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which also sounds like a lie. Right, you're like, well, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I'm sorry, that's not funny because of like what happened,
but also hilarious. I have an imaginary aggressive friend named Coraline.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. Okay, So this psychologist's conclusion was that she had
significant personality disturbance, not a major psychotic disorder, which is
good to know because he's basically saying, like she knew
right from wrong. Yeah, she could stand trial, and she did,
and she's on death row.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Actually she's the youngest woman on death row, right, I
think that's what they said at the end of the
documentary in whatever state she's in, maybe even in the country,
I'll look it up, but it was.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
It's her death throawt sentence is like keeps getting appealed, though,
which is just like so annoying.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Why why waste all the time and effort and money.
I mean, what she did to that woman was so
brutal and so insane, and I mean, we are really
telling you everything that happened in this documentary, but the
fact that her mother found her like that, I just
cannot imagine the trauma that every single person involved in
that had to deal with. But I will say my
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favorite character in all of it was the hillbilly friend
who just kept being like, not fucking told him. I
told him, this chick is crazy, dude, get away from
her house, like I love this guy. Listen to this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, this is what was really interesting about it too,
because you got to see like old friends and this
and that, and and it's just like the people that
were in her direct inner circle at that exact time.
It's just funny because you're you're sitting there seeing everyone's
different kind of personality that that would be your friends,
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and which ones could see through bullshit like right away.
I mean that one, the one lady and her husband,
they I don't know if it was her the friend,
it was his friend, right, Wade's friend.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, I think they saw through that.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They saw through her like right away, as.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Soon as she was buying all the expensive stuff and
just being way overly sort of like love bombing the
crap out of him, they were like, oh, be careful
with this. This is wild. And he ignored everybody. He
ignored his family, he ignored his friends. It was wild.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
That That is something that I did write down in
my notes, actually love bombing, like oh, people like I
I feel like it's a very I've seen it with
a couple girlfriends of mine too, Like it's very weird
when a person starts dating and gets so hot and
heavy and wants to move in so fast. I just
think it's it's like a red flag.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
It's a huge red flag. Have you heard of hobosexuality. No,
So there's like this whole movement. I don't even know
if I want to call it a movement, but there
is a category of dating that people call hobosexuality where
somebody just really comes in hot and heavy because they
need a place to live, like they're hobos, and they
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find somebody that has an apartment and maybe an extra
bedroom or whatever it is, and they love bomb the
crap out of you and they move in immediately and
they are practicing hobosexuality.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
That's amazing. It's no, it's so accurate because I know
somebody like that, and it's like the guy like never
really had his own house. It was just like girlfriend
to girlfriend to girlfriend, like it's just and now he's
getting ready to break up with one and is going
to go to the back to the other. Like I'm
just like he never had a place to live on
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his own. He doesn't know how to.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Do it, no idea. I have a couple of girlfriends
who and it seems like the girlfriends of mine are
the ones that have dealt with this, not so much
the guy friends of mine. But I do have a
few girlfriends who it went from zero to a hundred
really quickly. And this guy just moved in. And then
when you find out where he moved from, it was
either a friend's house, a girlfriend's house, or his parents' house.
And I just think, ew, what is happening.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It's way interesting, right and yeah, and so that's and
this is like opposite it was happening with her that
she wanted to move in. I also think she had
a touch of like Munchausen's, like you know, you know
that condition where you enjoy having all of these medical
problems and like getting the attention from it. This is
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probably like a really extreme form of it. But her
friends were just mentioning that she was always sick. I
think she faked having a stroke before. She just always
had like medical issues and stuff like that. It's it's
weird too, cause she's like in some of the pictures anyway,
she looked like like a decent looking person, like she
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she wouldn't have to, I don't know, like try so
hard whatever she was doing.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You wouldn't think so. But there was obviously something very
off about her, and even just like some of the
parents and the way that they were talking about all
of it just so nonchalantly. It was I I'm afraid
of the world when I see things like this, because,
like you said, she looked like a normal person, pretty
good looking. You would never think that somebody would be
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walking around with this tendency in them to cut a
baby out of a living person and kill them like
I now, I trust no one, not that I did anyway,
but like she's this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It is crazy when you think about it too, just
like when they were showing all the searches she was
doing and that like looking up how to do a
C section and then getting scalpel blas. There's a lot.
There's a lot of things, and it's not just this story.
It's like lots of news stories that we talk about that.
I'm just like, there's no reason that people need to
be able to buy this stuff on Amazon, right, like
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chemicals like like sulfuric acid and stuff. You know, there
was just like a sulfuric acid attack in Jersey City.
You're just like, why why can someone just go buy
that on Amazon? Why doesn't a regular person even need that?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You would think that with all the AI that's like
popping up now, all the uses of AI, that that
would maybe be a good one, Like flag somebody if
on Amazon they've bought zip ties, sulfuric acid, a fake
pregnant belly, and scalpels, maybe that's like a weird combination
of things. No, wait, that's how you should use it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We had a story like last year that was a
person on door dash ordered like a shovel, a rope,
just things to bury a dead body, zip ties from
like home deep out they door dash and the door
dasher called and it was like to a motel or
something in the doordasher called the police and they like
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caught the person they had someone like for ransom or
kidnapped in the room.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Oh my god. See, first of all, good for the
door dasher, because that's like if you got that order,
wouldn't you be like, I'm not so sure about this.
Something seems a little strange. And then thank god, a
crime was actually thwarted. Meanwhile, this woman was buying all
this stuff on Amazon clearly to do horrible things. I
don't get it either. It's wild.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, and especially with this woman too, like just all
of the different aspects of everybody that knew a little
piece of it. I mean it's easier because you're what
did they call it, like Monday Morning quarter or yeah, right,
like yep, you're watching it all now that we know everything,
But this was back in twenty twenty plus. It was
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COVID and like people weren't getting together and there was
just like it just you just look at it and
you're like, okay, all right, so speak Oh speaking of kidnapping.
By the way, did you do you hear the latest
with the Nancy Guthrie.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I heard a little this morning that a second ransom
note was sent, like back in February, saying that she
was dead by accident and she was buried in nature.
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I did hear that, And that's sort of what
we were all thinking, right.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Oh, yeah, totally. It's just I don't know, like it's
it's interesting because a lot of the different news sources
are arguing about what the letter said. Some people are
saying that they're apologizing for it. Other people are saying
they're not apologizing for it. So I don't know where
the source is coming from, but here is. Here is
some of the stuff that has has been reported that
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was written on the note. It said, we did not
fully grasp the seriousness of her physical condition, never intended
to hurt her, parish shortly after she was taken, believed
it was heart related, buried with nature, and nothing you
could have done to change the outcome. We are truly sorry.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Oof I gotta I'm not sure how to feel about that.
I feel very sad for Savannah Guthrie and her family
because how horrific. We sort of thought that that was
what happened after the second week, because once it was
reported that it looked like there was a struggle and
her age and her health and the fact that all
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of her meds were left behind, it was sort of
only a matter of time unless they found her alive,
that something bad was going to happen, unless these people
somehow had access to prescriptions for her heart medicine. I
just think it's really sad that they don't have closure
with remains or a body of any sort to actually
believe it it's got to be hard for them. And
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it makes a lot of sense too why the family
sort of packed it up and left when they did.
If this is, if all of this is true.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, that they were just like, all right, she's not
coming back alive. The whole thing of it is just
so weird. I just still can't wrap my brain around
what the point of it was.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You know, do you have any guesses?
Speaker 2 (21:05):
I just really I don't like I feel like I
feel like Savannah kind of represents like an all American
sweetheart kind of you know, she's like the face of
it because she's on the news every day. She and
and a lot of people know her. So at first,
I was just like, could there be some kind of
like a like a terrorist thing, like I don't know,
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like some kind of a foreign thing that's trying to
do something I don't know. That was like one thing,
But it doesn't. It never looked like it was ever
pointing that way. It also could just be completely coincidental,
just like, oh, this is a rich lady that lives
by herself, and we could do this, Like my mom's
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one of my mom's friends. Her mother owned a store
in Philadelphia, like a clothing store. But she was really
really old, and like someone was stalking around all that
she was alone there a lot in the mornings, and
someone like went in and beat the shit out of
her and stole money from her. She was like an
old lady and they like really beat her up, right,
And it's just like that happens to old people. Like
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they're they're they're really taking advantage of a lot because
because they don't know technology and stuff as well, and
they don't have like the alarms set and they don't
believe in alarms or whatever. Like it's it's an easier
target than another person that might be living in that neighborhood.
Like you don't know if somebody was just stalking her
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out or or or it could be coincident. I just
don't know, do you, like, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I have no idea. I thought so many different things.
And our mutual friend Andrew was convinced that it had
something to do with the cartel and that the cartel
came and took her, And I said, I don't really
think that's what they do, not that I know any
of them or really have a good grasp on how
they operate, but based on what we do know. It
doesn't seem like they attack. It seems like they have
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purposeful measures on who they go after, why they go
after them, and what they do once they have somebody.
So he thought it was maybe something with the cartel
gone wrong. There was all kinds of talk that it
could have been politically motivated because she did that interview
with Trump that a lot of people say pushed things
in one direction or another and he didn't necessarily like
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it or look really great coming out of it, or
probably more likely it's what you said, which is somebody
just saw an opportunity, thought they had a grasp on
the situation, didn't and made a huge mistake. And I'm
sure that Nancy at her age probably had this, which
probably a lot of them do this, like false sense
of security. Well I've made it this long, nobody's really
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going to bother me. Now I should be fine, And
in reality it's the exact opposite. You're even more vulnerable,
and it's so sad.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I mean, she was living there a large portion
of her life. It's quite I've been to that area
of Tucson. It's like it's so quiet and dead at night,
like nobody's bothering anybody, you know, like in theory that's
speak the cartel though, like I know a little bit
about them because I've you know, I've been involved with
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some cases or you know, and know some stuff all that,
and well just like from forensic stuff, from just my
education and stuff, and they they they don't. It wouldn't
seem likely to me. Like they do the most vicious
shit to each other, right, Like I mean, and some
people send me crazy videos on Instagram of stuff that
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like cartel stuff, right, I don't even want to look
at it because it's so gruesome. And but they don't
do that. They don't they do that to each other.
It's like retaliation and sending It's a lot of like
sending symbols of things in retaliation. So I just don't
think that it. I mean, it is proximate proximity wise,
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it is right there at the border, but I don't
know that that you know it. That's why it's weird.
There was also like that that other interview she did
with the Epstein victims that a lot of people say,
like who knows anymore?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Right, Listen, I'm at the point now where anytime somebody
presents a theory that might seem a little quote unquote crazy.
I'm like, tell me more. I'm here for it because
all the things that we once thought were insane, which
we talked about in other episodes, are really not that
insane now. And you know, this trial is starting up
for the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk, and there are
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so many questions that I'm sure are going to go
along with that. Who did it? Why did they do it?
I think a lot of people are on the page
that the kid that they have probably didn't do it.
It's just a wild like, yeah, tell me more about it.
I'm in what do you What do you think about that?
Do you think that they like, do you think there's
a conspiracy behind it?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Everyone right, anybody actually take this at face value?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I think, Okay, so, oh, my friends are at dinner
one day and they're on the same page as us,
which is like, we don't buy this. Well, everything that
you're telling us I don't buy, Like, don't piss on
my leg and tell me it's raining. This doesn't make sense.
But the people that they were at dinner with when
they brought that up, the people were like, wait, what
do you mean you think that there was a conspiracy.
So I think we all I know, I think we
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all hang out with like minded people. We hang out
with people like us who are, you know, kind of
balls deep in the news and reading all these different things.
But there's just this whole faction of humans out there
that are not so I think you and I and
our friends are going to say, of course there's more
to this, of course, look at it, everything about it.
But there's also a ton of people that have no
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idea and just want to believe that what the government
tells us is what happened.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Their life must be bliss. Honestly, just to imagine being
like I say that to some of my friends like
that that they just don't like. One of my friends
is a nurse and she's just like, oh, I don't
watch the news, and I'm like, you, you don't know
any of this stuff, Like what is it? Like you're
it must be so relaxing to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Be I know so many people I work with some
people who are like, I don't watch the news because
it just stresses me out. And I think that you're right,
that has to be bliss. Also, you're just buying all
this everything around us, like we're just all living in
different realities, I guess, and some people really want to
believe that what happened with Charlie Kirk is what they're
telling us.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
But come on, oh no, I didn't believe. You know,
at first, you're just kind of like, okay, there's because
there's always like there's always like young like in cel
kind guys that do stuff like this, like Timothy McVeigh whatever,
like you should go through history. So you're at first
you're kind of like, all right, maybe, But then when
they started, I swear it was like the first day
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when they started releasing those text messages that they were
I was.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like, come please right, and things written on bullets like
who's doing this? Who would do that? I have a
friend I might have told you this already, but I
have a friend who has that exact same rifle he
said to be able to shoot from as far away
as they claim he shot and hit a target like
that would be one professional marksman like Olympic shooter type
of stuff, but two that that specific weapon is meant
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to absolutely kill and immobilize big game. So if a
bullet from one of those hit somebody in a very
soft part of the neck. Not to be too graphic,
but I feel like this is a place to do it.
If anything, it would have shredded his neck, in his head,
just everything would have come apart. It wouldn't have been
this kind of clean little book thing that happened where
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now all of a sudden you've hit an exact artery
and he's bleeding out right there. He said it would
have been far far grosser and gorrier, not that it
wasn't gross and gory, but that that bullet would have
done a whole lot more damage than it did.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, exactly. There's just there's just so many and there
was no exit, I think, and oh it's just him
like his Superman's spine stopped it, and like all this
the whole thing is just it's just so outrageous. And
then you heard that they that they paved over the
whole area where he was shot, like.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
A day later, like immediately, And then this is so
wee nutjob Erica Kirk going around acting like I don't
even know what goes on with her but that, and
you know, everybody's gonna grieve differently. Her behavior since has
been absolutely bizarre. And then you've got Candice Owens, who
I also thought was a lunatic, who's now railing in
the other direction, basically saying, yeah, they killed him, they
(29:24):
killed him for a reason, and I'm gonna let it out.
I don't know when she's actually gonna let it all out,
because like we're waiting, but.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I need to collect the views.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, but first let me make money. Like it's nuts.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah. The Erica Kirk situation is super bizarre. Like at first,
I the first day, I felt terrible, just like that
she had to maybe even see that video because you
don't ever want to even think about that, right. But
then there's something like very weird with her eyes and stuff,
like I just can't with.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Her poor a. Also when she tries to act like
her feelings are her and you're like, that's just not
a normal reaction to anything. It's like you're trying to
figure out which emotion to let out. I don't did
you watch The Handmaid's Tale by an each Oe?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Now I didn't say it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
She reminds me a little bit of a woman on
that who ended up crafting sort of the backbone for Gilead,
which is this horrible place where everybody lives. Now, Erica
Kirk reminds me of Serena Joy. It's just a very
strange combination of things. But all of that to say,
whatever they're gonna try and tell us is happening, I
just I don't buy it. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, I don't either. I don't know. I don't know
what's up with that whole situation with her. And I mean, like,
on one hand, I'm like, I don't know, Like if
my husband was murdered like that and then everybody was
just like half the country's like, good, he's dead. Like
I don't know, maybe she's having like like a PTSD
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response or something like I'm trying to give her the
benefit of the doubt, but like, I just I can't something.
There's something up with like a bigger picture with him,
just like a JFK situation in a way, and.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
All of it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So, did you guys talk about this weird story with
this IVF mix up case.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Or they switched them and one of them gave birth
to a baby that was not theirs.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, well both of them did so on so one
of them, so one couple, let me let me set
this up a little bit. One couple named Tiffany and Steven.
They spent years trying to have a baby. They finally
get this embryo in put inside of them, she gets,
you know, she's pregnant. The pregnancy sixul and she has
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this baby. And as soon as she has the baby,
they realize that something's wrong because the baby has really
dark brown skin and they're.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Right, it's a black baby.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah, I think it's it's he. She's black or Indian
or something. She has like darker skin color, and the
mom is like, not even not like she's whiter than me.
She's got like those light blue eyes and super pale
skin and there's no way that this is her kid.
And you know, when a baby comes out at first,
they all kind of look the same for a little bit,
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and then and then they start like, you know, having
their real skin collar and stuff, and then you're like, okay,
this is not And now when you see the kid
at like six months old, you're like, this is definitely
not their child. There's no way and no way. And
they know they know how she got pregnant because it
was done in a lab, so they figure out, you know,
they're suspicious right away. I can't even imagine how how
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you would feel in that situation. So she goes and
gets in dependent genetic testing and finds out that it's
not her baby and it's not her husband's. It's not like,
you know, maybe they just took her egg and someone
else's sperm or something and mixed it. It was like, no,
it's not genetically related to them at all. So then
they went back to this clinic and they figured out
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whose baby it actually belongs to. They as of right now,
they don't have a baby that's out there missing, like
nobody has their baby. They don't. Oh yeah, yeah, So
it's terrible. So you have this one mom who's having
her first baby that is not hers, and this other
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couple that they contacted that knows that it's their baby
and they somehow. So there's lawsuits and everything involved, obviously,
But the weirdest part of all this that came out
this week is that the parents have gotten together with
their lawyers and everything, and they've come up with a
custody agreement.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Did they?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
And it gets weirder because the parents that do not
genetically belong to the child, they're the ones that are
keeping the baby.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah, so I saw that and I don't understand how
that works because it is genetically somebody else's child. Understandably,
you're attached to it, you carried it to term, it
grew inside you, so you want to have this baby,
but it is someone else's baby. I don't. That is
the craziest case ever. I'm not sure how I would
handle it, but part of me thinks I would give
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it to the couple who wanted to also have a baby.
Now you have a baby, and I would see the
shit out of that IVF clinic and be like, you're
gonna pay me surrogacy fees and then a ton of
punitive damages, because this is wild.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
This is exactly I'm glad you're saying this because I
had We were like arguing at Father's Day with my
whole family here because you know, Maria's feeling all romantic
because she just had a baby, and she's like, I
could just never give it up. I was like, it
is not your.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Kids, not yours.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, Like I'm literally and I'm like, Sarah gets to
do it all the time. It's it's fine, Like just
you just have to be like, that's not my child,
it's theirs, and like, what are you gonna keep like
it's just weird.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
And then have this like very strange custody arrangement. Also
because I mean that kid's gonna be maybe not confused,
I guess if people are just open and honest. But
wouldn't you be like, well, my parents, I see them,
my actual parents every week, Like can't I just live
with them?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, it's why, And I wouldn't want to have the
connection with the other family the rest of my life.
Like I understand that you're bonded by this experience, but
like I'm sorry, and I know it'll be traumatic for
the baby, Like you have a baby that you're you've
been raised in six months and now you're gonna just
stick it in a straight But like people do that
with adoption all the time. They'll be fine for sure. Good.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And those people clearly wanted a baby. You're not giving
it to a home that didn't want the child. They
went to an IVF clinic too, trying to have a kid,
and yay, they have a kid. Now give them their kid.
I can't process this one. This is crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
The only thing that I the only thing I could
think of is that the other family maybe already had
kids and these ones were in storage and they decided
that they didn't want to have more kids. But they
were okay because a lot of times, so for example,
when Maria did the IVF, she only got one embryo,
so like, waylan was it. If it didn't work, she
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was going to have to go through the whole process
again and spend all that money again and all this stuff. Right, Yeah,
so some people, like most of the time, actually people
get a bunch of embryos that they leave frozen that
they could use it a later time. And obviously, like
you don't want to destroy them because they're technically like
you know, there's all like laws and morals things about
(36:50):
that to just destroy them. So a lot of times
people they will if they're not going to use them,
but they'll leave them there until the very last minute,
or they'll donate them to a couple. So if it
was the same situation like that that they had already
decided they didn't want more kids, and you know, maybe
that they were supposed to get destroyed and didn't get
destroyed or something like that, I could see them possibly.
(37:13):
But at the same time, like you have their siblings.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Right, how bizarre you want them to grow up with
their siblings. I would want them to grow up with
their siblings. One of us needs to get these people
on a podcast, right, We have to find them. Yeah,
and you're just crazy.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
They're all over the news holding this baby, and I'm
just like, don't these people like turn on the internet
and see their baby being I don't know. I can't
wrap my head around it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I can't either. It's one of those things where I
know it's a baby and not a wallet, But just
because you find a wallet doesn't mean it's your wallet.
Now somebody still owns that wallet. Give it to them.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, you might really like it, and you might be like,
oh shit, this is like a really good Louis vuiton
while they're like, I couldn't afford on my own and
I'm just gonna sit here and stare at it. But
it's not yours.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yours, you go. I don't all power to whatever it
is they decide to do. A custody arrangement. Seems crazy.
I would love to revisit this in a few years
because I bet things are gonna change.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
It just has to. I just I just don't even
understand it. All right. One final thing I want to
talk to you before you go. Yes, Massachusetts apparently maybe
turning over their marijuana law, like their recreational marijuana law.
They're trying to put it on the ballot to see
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if they could overturn it. Now, what do you like?
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I wholeheartedly disagree with it. I lived in Boston for
a while before I moved here. I was living in
Boston and they were one of the earlier adopters of
legalizing it. And to me, legalizing marijuana just makes sense.
I think legalizing a lot of things actually makes sense.
Like we're starting to see now this research behind psilocybin
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and how impactful it is with people who have PTSD
or other chemical issues with their brains, and it sort
of helps to reset it. I think weed can do
that as well for certain people. You know, there's I'm
on I'm very much progressive when it comes to this
kind of stuff, and I understand where people are not.
(39:21):
But I don't see the benefit in taking it away,
especially if it really is creating this revenue for the
state that has been helping it out in a lot
of ways, which I guess maybe we should look at
those numbers before that's actually decided. I also think making
things illegal makes it more enticing to people than not
(39:44):
than just legalizing it.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know, like, all right, this is going to be
awesome because I one hundred percent think total opposite of you, okay, perfect,
which is great that we don't agree on something. So
I think personally when things get legalized, that more people
are inclined to do it because the government's telling them
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it's okay, and therefore they think that it's safe. Okay.
It's the same with alcohol and drinking. And I do
understand your point because like when they made alcohol illegal
during prohibition time and stuff, like, people were still doing
it because they're they're like intrigued by it and this
and that. So I I thought some of my concerns
(40:28):
at first when they wanted to legalize marijuana. At first,
I was like, Okay, I'm like all for this, because
I like, I don't really like telling people what to do,
like if they want to do it, and everybody's doing
it anyway, so like what's the difference. But then I
was just kind of like, uh, a lot more people
are going to start doing it now because because the
government's saying it's okay, because before it would even be
(40:52):
like if you went to the doctor and they would
say do you do you do you know, they asked
you do you drink? Do you smoke? And stuff like that,
and they would say do you do any recreational drugs?
Like I always would be like, no, I never smoked,
no way, right, because I was scared I was gonna
get like arrested or so, I don't know, right, And
now it's just like yeah, like everybody's doing it. And
(41:13):
to the point like I took my daughter to Children's
hospital a couple of weeks ago because she has to
go to doctor's appointments there, and I'm like I get
in the elevator out of the car to go up
to the main floor of the hospital, and there's like
a dad and his kid and the whole entire elevator
stinks like weed. And it's like I've noticed like a
huge increase in people, Like when is there ever a
(41:35):
time where you're driving your kid to a doctor's appointment
or the hospital that you had to have just smoked weed?
Like it's weird to me. People are just like I
smell it everywhere all the time. I feel like there's
like an increase use see it in traffic all the time,
So I don't know exactly what their reasoning is. Do
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they have a re like, what's their reason to put
to say we want to get rid of this now
and we've already allowed.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It, right. I'd be interested to see what that is.
And also my question to you as a pathology assistant,
which do you see have a more negative impact on
a body? Is it alcohol or is it weed?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, it depends because the thing is is that there
there hasn't been. I know that a lot of people
are like, no person has ever died from smoking weed,
which is absolutely.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Not true because that's not true.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It's just not true. Also, we don't have the same
statistics for it because of people not being honest about
the use of it. So like we you don't because
whenever you have something like marijuana, right, or anything tobacco,
when you've burned something, you're changing the chemical composition of
that which could then cause changes to your DNA. So
(42:47):
you don't know. Like if I said to you, oh,
is it dangerous to eat a hamburger or hot dog?
You would be like, no, it's fine, but like yeah,
but when you char it on the grill, it makes
it a carcinogen. You know, it's increases your risk of
stomach cancer and things like that. So you changed the
chemical of it and now it's no longer marijuana. It's
burnt marijuana and it can be a carcinogen. So and
(43:11):
and listen, I had a doctor because I used to
smoke weed a lot, like back in the day. And
one of my doctors that I worked with, who was
a urologist, was just like because I was having some
urinary problems and he's just like, are you still smoking weed?
And I was like yeah, And I was like, it's
not gonna like, it's not that big of a deal
and stuff, because when you smoke cigarettes it increases your
risk for bladder cancer. He's like, I think it is
(43:33):
for marijuana too. He's like, I'm just putting it out there.
And this was like twenty years ago. He was saying,
you know, so I don't know, Like I don't, I
don't really care either way. I was. I was for
it too, because I, like you were just saying with
the tax revenue. But for example, like in my town,
we got there's a dispensary on every corner in New Jersey. Well,
(43:56):
you live in New Jersey everywhere. It's everywhere, yep. And
I'm like, well, where's where's the payback for us? Like,
where is it? I haven't gotten my taxes lowered. I
haven't Like where's the money going?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Right, you have you should be able to figure that out.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah. So, so like if it's just going and you know,
to the billions of dollars that are getting thrown in
the trash with all the other tax I don't know,
You're just kind of like, what are you what's the point?
And then you're just like, well, why are they taking
it away now? And it is kind of messed up
because now you have all these businesses that opened, what
are you gonna like close their businesses down and stuff?
Speaker 1 (44:49):
And there's the whole well, people, we're not getting in
trouble for it because now it's legal, So are those
people going to now get in trouble for it again?
And what about the people who are serving time for
doing things with we and they got sentences overturned because
now it's legal. There's a lot of really weird back
and forth stuff that I think is going to happen
from it. But I'm just very interested in the fact that,
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like I don't know who decided that alcohol was safe
and weed wasn't at any point because alcohol is atrocious.
It's so bad for like every part of your body, right,
you know that you see it, for your liver, for
your brain, for every part of you. You are dousing
it with this potent poison, and people are okay with it.
We'ed seems a little less harmful than that. I'm not
(45:32):
saying it's not home for at all. I know that
it is. And you know, my cousin is a pomonologist
and he was talking about the rise in cannabis hyperemesis,
which yeah, he's like, you know, the amount that people
are smoking now is really causing a lot of problems
and damage and we're going to have research on this
in ten to fifteen years, but as of right now,
it's pretty new and that's not great. I just if
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alcohol is legal, it's a really tough cell to me
to make we eg I'd rather be around.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, I understand that totally. Like and alcohol, it's really
interesting too because alcohol use is down big time, like
especially for young people. And it's like it's either it's
either because we it's legal now, or I mean, it's
also it's it's kind of not like not a good
thing in a way because I think it's showing that
(46:24):
people aren't socializing anymore, which is terrible. But a lot
of people because there's a lot of prominent like wellness
influencers and stuff who were talking about how bad alcohol is.
I know, I've been talking about it for fifteen years. Yeah,
So like you have people listening to people all over
the place now and just being like you know, and
(46:45):
a lot of it too is like don't you feel
When we were younger, it was like if you went
out and people were drinking, you would just do it
because you didn't want to like be judged or something
that you weren't like.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
So I was honestly never like that because I'm so stubborn.
But I one hundred percent understand what you're talking about,
because even as an adult, I don't drink all the
time when we go out, but I will say to
the bartender, hey make me something that looks like an
alcoholic beverage so that I don't have to hear from
other people. Where is that lane because I just don't
feel like it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, yeah, because then they start like well what then
then it's like half the people are like, is she pregnant?
The other half like, oh, she must have a problem.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Right're like, no, I just didn't feel like hurting my
body tonight. I didn't want to do it, So yeah,
I definitely do that. Though as an adult, I'll be like, hey,
put some water in a glass, throw a lime in
there and make it look special, and they're like, yeah,
no problem.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah. Well, but that culture now is being is so
much more accepted. Like we Gabe and I went away
for our anniversary, were at this fancy restaurant and they
had a whole entire menu of non alcoholic drinks, like
a lot of them, like fifteen of them.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Don't get me started, because all these assholes not drinking
have made the cost of juice at a restaurant shoot
through the roof, because that's all mocktails are. It's like,
instead of cranberry juice, they had a splash of orange
and now you're paying fifteen dollars for it, Like, please, oh,
just give me the orange.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Juice this place had. I don't know if you know this,
but they have like you could get it at the
liquor store. They sell fake like vodka and gin and
all this and champagne and why but it's like expensive
like alcohol. It's yeah, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's no, it tastes just like it. I don't want
it to taste like it. It's to me, alcohol does
ta taste Yeah, I don't like it. I recoil from it,
like I'm if I'm drinking, I'm drinking to get a
little buzz, which is not probably great, you know, but
that's why I'm drinking. So I don't want this. I'm
paying the same amount for less fun. Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah, exactly, when you could just have weed and get
the same feeling.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Really exactly.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
All Right, Well, thanks so much for being here today.
What's what it's going on in your world. What have
you talked about on your show recently? Oh?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Man, So I just had Nick Cannon and Rip Michael's on,
and that was interesting. Nick talked a lot about his
narcissistic personality disorder. That's fascinating. Yeah, I mean he was
just kind of out there with it, and a lot
of people had a lot to say about how open
he was. They're like, oh, how narcissistic of him. So
that was interesting. I had Ben and Ronnie from a
(49:15):
podcast called Watch what crappens. They're all about the Real Housewives.
I don't watch any of it, so I don't have
as much to contribute. But they're very funny guys and
I love them. And then we've had Diamond on just
a little bit. Diamond and I love to just shoot
the crap. It's been a really fun few months with
(49:36):
the podcast, and I'm gonna do a spin off soon,
so yeah, I'm excited, And obviously I want you and
Maria on anytime that you guys want to join us,
because I love you guys.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Of course we love you too, and Maria is looking
forward to coming back. And you also filled in for
our special project that we can't talk about yet.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Oh you can't. It's really cool though, I'm like, I
was so impressed by all of it and how you
guys are doing it and how Andrew is managing it.
To our buddy Andrew, I was like, oh, this is
really cool to see.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah, it was really fun. All right, Well, where can
everyone reach you?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
You can follow me on Instagram at Baby Hot Sauce.
I think I'm still shadow band. We'll find out. You
can listen to the podcast Sauce on the side wherever
you get your podcasts, and I mean that's pretty much it.
That's where I reside.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
Awesome. Well, thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Thanks for having me. I love you, love you.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
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media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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