Capitalism vs. Community feat. Barry | Bonus Episode

In this bonus episode of Selective Ignorance, Mandii B is joined by super producer A-King, king of the headlines Jason “Jah” Lee, and special guest Barry5K for a candid recap of Invest Fest and a larger conversation about wealth, capitalism, community investment, philanthropy, hustle culture, and what it really means to give back. After welcoming the crew [ 00:00 ], they compare their experiences attending Invest Fest [ 01:02 ] and address the backlash surrounding comments from co-founders Troy Millings and Rashad Bilal about the level of support the event receives from Atlanta, including Mayor Andre Dickens’ concerns about affordability for local residents [ 02:41 ]. That leads to a debate over what attendees should reasonably expect from general admission versus VIP experiences [ 03:30 ], how influencer culture and the constant pressure to capture content have become intertwined with entrepreneurship events [ 04:42 ], and whether premium experiences are worth the price when attendees may be financing access or taking on debt to participate [ 05:55 ].

The crew gets especially critical when discussing the VIP gala experience, questioning the presentation of the food—including the now-infamous paper plates—against an entry point reaching $2,500 [ 11:51 ]. From there, they debate what actually qualifies someone as an A-list celebrity in today's fragmented entertainment and influencer landscape [18:41 ], before turning to Van Lathan's argument that “capitalism will not save you” and what that statement means for communities seeking financial freedom [ 21:26 ]. The conversation goes deeper with FD Signifier's explanation of capitalism, challenging the tendency to equate simply earning money or becoming wealthy with being a capitalist [25:07 ]. Mandii, A-King, Jah, and Barry then wrestle with the relationship between wealth, community responsibility, and giving back [ 27:34 ], including the bigger question of whether capitalism can be used to produce meaningful social good or whether its incentives inevitably work against collective interests [ 31:10 ].

The debate becomes more practical as the hosts discuss mutual aid during the TSA shutdown and what communities can accomplish when traditional systems fail people [ 34:54 ]. They also acknowledge why many people have developed trust issues with charities, nonprofits, and other organizations asking for financial support [ 35:51 ], while challenging themselves to recognize the everyday opportunities for community involvement that are easy to overlook [ 36:54 ]. Each person shares examples of what giving back looks like in their own life [ 37:46 ], with Barry discussing the importance of leading through action rather than rhetoric [ 40:26 ]. The conversation also examines gatekeeping, grifting, and who gets to determine whether someone else's contribution is meaningful enough [42:08 ], before a discussion about panhandling and the assumptions people make about those asking for helpchallenges the crew's own ideas about generosity and judgment [ 44:10 ].

Mandii then breaks down her personal approach to giving, including Planned Parenthood donations, supporting single parents, contributing to school drives, and helping people through direct assistance [ 45:19 ]. That opens a broader conversation about the difference between healthy communities and communities that can reinforce harmful behavior [ 50:50 ], as well as the often-overlooked services and social programs that can literally keep vulnerable people alive

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production
of the BLACKPEC Podcast Network and Iart Radio. Hey guys,
welcome to another episode bonus Baby Selective Ignorance. I'm your host,
Mandy B. And I am joined by some friends, some
friends that y'all know, some classmates you may know y'all

(00:20):
already know tomorrow right, I got the King of headline
Jason Josh.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Lee that bleed that what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
I got my super producer over there in the cut
o g Pot legend, a king.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
What's up? What's up? What's up? Everybody?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
And then one.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Of the baddest classmates of.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
That one of the people who always.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Need detention, Uh definitely, honor roll student thoats a lot
of opinions. We got Bury five k here in the building.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
You're already.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
And I'm glad that we get to have you on
the episode. You real quick? Did you go to the
best best?

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Let's so I went for like a quick second.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
We tried to go to uh Van and Vic Mince's panel,
and we got there like thirty minutes before it started,
and the guy was saying it was full already.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
The hall it was in was saying it was full.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
They closed the doors nobody could come in as fire
marshals going to shut us down, so we didn't even
get to see.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I'm not gonna that is a panel. I would have loved.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
To say, that's what I want to love, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Love Van so very much. But Barry you went.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
It was first of all, everything was late, so I
don't know how they were locking it down already.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
But oh everything, everything was like an hour behind. Wait
what it was?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was black, I was suspense CEP activities.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Okay, well then let's get into it.

Speaker 6 (01:47):
It's hard to have time because it's hard to be
timely in those big.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I was at a festival last weekend. Shout out to
Let's Talk about Sex Conference, which is the largest reproductive
justice conference for women, and maybe maybe that's what it is.
Maybe because it was ran by women. It was definitely
a time.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Maybe people care about reproductive more than finance.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Had nothing else to talk about. Yored just that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
It was incredible.

Speaker 7 (02:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Chloe Bailey headlined and performed on Saturday night, which was great.
That's crazy it being an hour late. I've attended in
best fest i've had a good time. So what was
it this year? Because there was a lot let's get
it to it, because we didn't we didn't really talk
about all the things. But there was a lot of
backlash that both Troy and Rashad got after going on

(02:47):
the Breakfast Club and talking about not getting any support
from the city. There was a lot of people locally
that responded, one being Mayor Andre Dickens, who even said that, well,
this this well is not technically for the city because
it's it's outpriced for a lot of the locals to attend.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
So let's get into a little bit of those details.
Both of y'all did a tend. I only attended like
an event on Friday for miss Business, I mean on
Thursday before I left to Chicago. But let's get into
your experience, your experience, and then essentially what people should
actually expect from their experience at a conference like this

(03:28):
or any conference at the ATTEN. So overall, one to ten,
what do you rate your experience this year?

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Experience rating is going to be based on expectations.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
Okay, I can say it was an aid Okay, but
I'm general mission even got a discount general mission ticket.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
I've been there three years going on.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Four and you travel into Atlantica, traveling, traveling for Midwest
Saint Louis, and I want that experience. I want to
be around my people. I'm a photographer. The thing in
an example, because I know you're a big festival person.
I don't know that you would go to a festival
and just be general mission, just kicking it with the crew.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I wouldn't right, And.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
I personally I love being by my people. I want
people to bring out their cars. I want us to
play Uno and space. I want us to chit chat,
talk about all the things you can do that. Like
they said, it's the thirty one thousand people there, twenty
eight thousand are sitting out there where you sit. They're
young people, people hustling, people selling their stuff, people who
are there.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Trud to learn.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
You can see the ones that are from Nebraska's eyes,
all big and wide, like.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh my god, this is the greatest thing in a
big city.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Oh yeah, and you liked it. But then you see
the other ones.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
I want to say, there was more personal security and
personal camera people than anything in the building.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Personal security.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, if you were upcoming content creator or wanted to
look like you were you had your biggest friend in
the suit behind you, and you had one or two
people with every kind of iPhone, gimbal just following you around.
I mean nothing, don't fight the hustle. But it's like

(05:16):
they felt like they were VIP. I'm like, bruh, you
delivered my food at uber Eats two weeks ago, and
now you dressed up fancy. I know that's your cousin.
And not to say anything's wrong with that, get it
the way you get it. The biggest separation is that
is definitely like I said, thirty thousand hustling. Just want

(05:36):
to get it, want to be informed, want to learn
the next step, want to be there for the look
and the thousands of a VIP that aren't in my
mind VIP because I'm not money oriented. If you VIP
to me, you got an oscar, you got a grammar,
you the president of something. And these are people who
are known in our community for the culture. But the
difference between general Mission three hundred dollars v you started

(06:00):
a twenty five hundred and I don't know what they
I don't know what happened behind the curtain.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Somebody line.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Line.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
I always say, look if I'm an economist. I'm calling
cap on the entire United States of America the people
because niggas say they broke, which we generally feel like because.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
The prices, but how niggas is affording.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Look in Black culture, and I'm gonna say Black culture,
we've had the tours still going on right now, the
money and I'm not putting it on the artists. I'm
just saying we've had some dope experiences this year. And
I'm like, I see the price points is like everybody
else Where's this money coming from home?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Credit card? I'm like, well, you still got to pay
or or do you?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
People are saying the credit cards?

Speaker 6 (06:49):
It look people, I'm gonna put Investvest on my credit card,
go to invest vest and not pay the credit cards.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
But they have all they have a year to pay
it off. They have like yes, they'll get interest to it.
But a lot of people are in heavy, heavy credit
card debt going and affording these things. I mean, even
to be fair for the people that are in school,
I know people still they make sure they use they
sally may their financial aid on experiences, not just school.
Like let's be very clear, I was old nigga in

(07:19):
college and let's me I didn't need this debt.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I got the hold on option too.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Though, where are my scamming ass niggas you talking about
putting on your credit card?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
They put it on your on their credit card.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know somebody else.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Scamming In the same sentence, don't do that too, well,
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Here's my other question though, based on what you were saying,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
I did tell you in the car coming here. They
did remove some of the scammings because doctor Shyanne Bryant
wasn't on that line.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
What she was it, what had things to do?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, she's a life coach.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
She was on it, she was.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Movie.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
If she was on it this time, I would I
would invite her this time just to triple down.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Said we're gonna keep a load for a year. Come back.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
She's working on the rebrand three months masters or something, don't.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
They just had a clip of her at the Impact
Awards handing out fake degrees to everybody like she it's.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
A it's her, it's funny, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
My question to you was based off what you were
saying and what you saw. Would you say that you
saw more people going to invest first to learn and
absorb knowledge and be educated or more people there, just
as this is an influencer event that I'm here to
just get content for.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
It was about fifty fifty. I can't call it anybody's intent.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Sure, sure, the way they were moving, the way they're
moving because they.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Had no paths and people have people taking notes.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Did you see people writing?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Heard at least five speakers you're talking about taxes, houses,
doing the family trust.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's like y'all ain't writing us down.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
They said it from the I was recording it, and
some people do record on their phone.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
And just take vocal notes.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
But you you know that person's like when their eyes
are abroad, they're hearing new information for the first time,
already talking about how they're gonna flip that into new
money or new ideas for their family. They're always are
those people like that there. I'm never gonna dismiss that.
But between the vendor booths, which is the marketplace, which
is great, and they're spending I don't know how much

(09:30):
for a booth.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
It was good.

Speaker 5 (09:35):
That's where I spend most of my time in all
the year because they also do a panel in there,
and it's more of at your level talking.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
So but yeah, I can't. I can't.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I can't justify any VIPs doing that unless they're doing
individual deals, because to me, they're just there for the show.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
It could be anything.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
It could be a festival, it could be a player,
it could be a war ceremony, it could be a
fashion show.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
They're just there to do VIP and you keep s.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I think that's where we also need to bring the
comparisons happening for whatever reason within our community. Anything that
we put on gets critiqued by us all the time.
And so the same way you said, when you go
to a festival, you know you're gonna be outside. You know,
if you got ga, you're gonna be im porta potties.
You know, you might miss certain stages because you want

(10:21):
to see one artist follow another artist.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Is food, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So I'm not satisfied, but I.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Think and I think that what you said is the
right thing based on expectation. And I don't know what
expectations people have of investments, because even when I worked
in corporate and I had to go to conferences because
I had to go. You're doing the breakout rooms, You're
going to the panels, it's literally a conference.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
It is, so I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
People are expecting from this. I think that they have
really great hosts. I know, mis Basketball, Paid Shari, all
of them are on stage. I think you do get
to see some celebrities that you would possibly like to
see Magic Johnson talking about part of the Doctrina Williams.
Do you drop that video in the chat so you
don't get to see Also these people in person and

(11:08):
have these conversations. So I like what you said about expectations.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Well, Also, what I was going to say was I
think the word festival kind of taints what the thing is. Yeah,
because when you say festival, festival is automatically implying fun,
entertainment and like if you're there. That's why I asked
that question, because if you if you say conference, yeah, yeah,

(11:33):
I think that way clean.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
But I mean, you can call it capital conference, so
you can you can find out some other ways. I'm
just saying that when you say conference, I think it
psychologically denotes something different than fast.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
But talking about words, one of the biggest things for
the Black Uh the v I P. Is they had
a black Gala's the big selling point but I'm first
of all, that's.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
The bule, the money boule, the financial I.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Did talk to a couple of people who were at
that level and went and as soon as they said
the word paper plates, I knew.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
I made the right choice. And these were people. They
wore their full they the red instructions, they had full
galer suits.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Black did were you there? Did you see paper plates
on the tables?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Were at the gala? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
What they have? What did you see?

Speaker 8 (12:36):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (12:37):
There were paper The financial firefest understood that point.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Dollars.

Speaker 5 (12:46):
No matter what else you're doing, I'm not paying I'm
not paying more hundred five hundred. There's China for a reason. Yeah,
I mean we were in a conference. I want the
nap because I want the duck na with everything. Yeah, yeah,
give me something.

Speaker 6 (13:04):
But with thousands of thousands and thousands of negroes, right,
you can't expect the food.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Don't tell me for my chicken.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I wasn't there, but I know someone showed me picture
was like Chinese noodles.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
But can I say something.

Speaker 7 (13:22):
Julyn, mister Child say less like all them Philip Child,
all them restaurants, all this elevated quote unquote Chinese fusion,
got black.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Folks in a choke.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Hold.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Oh yeah, anytime that you go to goddamn New York,
you gonna see goddamn Chinese noodles and chickens to day.

Speaker 6 (13:44):
Honest, you can get you can't go to the Chinese
foods while I get the same ship.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
The industry people in New York not go to all
of it.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
They do. It's another one you missed.

Speaker 6 (13:58):
But I won't say they could shout out to them
but with them, but hold on, we're not putting a
bad light.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But we with Brooklyn chop House, you know.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
House, then they don't attached the goddamn Chinese food.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
No, what's it? What's the one that there's.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Literally chop cheese dumplings?

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Now what you know we have we have a colture
sharing situation because like Korean Fried Chicken, you know, like
the Vietnam, the Vietnam War.

Speaker 6 (14:29):
And what was going on with Josh, some of these
establishments are owned by the Ya, by niggas Latin.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, Italians.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Once again, I am from the Midwest. You just you
if I'm paying twenty five hundred even to what you
wanted to get, I want I want to gold.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Plates I want Damond, I'm going with I want Tom
put in the meat at the plate. I want the
whole nine.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
That's not unreasonable for.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Seakhouse.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Yeah, bringing all the meat and this is no just
to them, but all the meats just for expectations. Again,
this was selective and not that other because it's been diagram.
There's a crossholder of content meet.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
It's let's get it over with, get it out, get
it out.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
You want to you want the experience you want, I
want the experience twenty reality.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
If you're in the room, I mean all of y'all
have had your moments, and they bring out paper plays
and they get the napkins that wrap around your plastic square,
I'm gonna get them.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Your in the suit, you're in the tux, you're in
the gown.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
You're giving them grace for paper plays.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Maybe the venue the you're supposed to So.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
When you're in a conference center or something, even weddings,
all those things you pay. You have to pay for silverware, plates, chairs,
that's something that is an additional cost. So it's just
a cost that they didn't want to spack, which to me,
if the ticket.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Is that high they want you pay, they won because
they had the highest turnout and gave niggas paper.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
I don't know how many people were VIP, but it
may have. I want to say it's a thousand of
the thirty thousand, it's not.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I mean, well, and I'll give.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
You some tea on that. I've been to all the
events and ain't paid a dime. So a lot of
the VIP attendees as well, especially the people on panel
or who are a part of any of the events,
are there for free. So I'm also curious how many
people actually pay for the VIP experience because so many
of that ecosystem we already know each other and we're

(16:48):
in the room. D did not pay twenty five hundred
dollars to be in the room. So that's another thing
to where how much money did that gala actually make
or how much was it coming out of their pocket
to make sure the experience of the attendees enjoyed it.
Because you're the visibility Serena Williams at the like, you're
gonna see a lot of the panelists at these at
these large events.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't think what came out.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well, I'm sure vic ment was there lay people.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
That, but I mean listen, we went to We went
to Kevin Raftbun Steakhouse last week, Right, we did, the
three of us and and the Mischelin Star restaurant world
were now Kevin Raftbun three of us.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Did we spend twenty five hundreds in there?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
No take off a zero?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Now we got real plates.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It would have been more, but we didn't have any.
We only had one drink apiece.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Right, But I mean yeah, but for ten percent of
that we had silver aware, a fine rabby.

Speaker 6 (17:42):
But we also didn't have thirty thousand niggas either, breaking up,
ship dropping all over the place because we are clumsy people,
I mean we are.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
They have alcohol. They didn't have alcohol, of.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Course it did. Of course they didn't.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Plates in open I'm not telling to your wedding. I'm
not coming.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I was just saying this last week. I said, if
I am invited somewhere and it's an event, it's a thing,
and there ain't an open bar, and you making me
pay for drinks, I'm leaving. Even brands. When brands do
that ship where they invite us out and you go
to the bar and they have like a drink list.
Here's our specials for tonight. And they're only ten dollars

(18:23):
to support. Yeah, I'm not saying here you maybe get
out of bed for no open bar if I got
open bar in the crib. What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Can ask one question. I know we're about to buce something.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yes, we're about to get into being Latha's hot take
from the vest Fast and.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
That's that falls into it. What do we consider a
tier celebrities at these type of events? Because as you
were talking about, maybe you get to see Serena, and
I doubt that you did. But as you watch behind
the scenes you see who was there, it's people that
maybe podcasts, maybe it's some people in the record business.
Do you consider that the opportunity to be in the

(19:02):
room with them?

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I mean, if it's Magic Johnson or Serena, then that's something. Yes,
that's the one thing, But like I don't, I wouldn't
consider anybody who is Wi FI famous to be that
level of.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
A of a list.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I don't consider that a list for me.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
For me, it depends honestly, because I think it depends
your generation. I think it depends your interest. Because I
went to a WNBA All Star and the way these
kids acted to Duke Dennis on that. Goddamn yeah, I
can imagine, like and so to me, like it depends
your interests of what someone considers a list, because even

(19:52):
if you're not into women's sports, you might not care
about a w NBA player. If you don't care about athletes,
even a Magic Johnson may not be considered an a
tier celebrity to you because you don't you know, you
didn't even watch him play growing up.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
I don't think those people go to invest Fest though.
I think people invest FST know who those panelists.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Are, They know who the panelists are.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yet I don't think the Dennis crowd is going to
invest Fest.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
The stream but that's all I saw was streamers that
the marketplace content going for game.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
No.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
But but either either or you have people walking up
to Flip like he's a tier A.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, that's what has done to us society because he
I think maybe that's because they know their chances, the
laws of probabilities on their side to.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Get content with him.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
I get that, versus him being somebody that they can
you know, I'm not sure they look at him as
an a list now.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, But to me, when when we're talking about this,
I think it's okay you You viewed celebrities too, essentially
based on the money that they make, to the type
of lifestyle they have, right, and then their attention. So like,
if you're somebody who's getting stopped to take pictures and
you have a certain fan base and you make a
certain level of money, I mean, I think you could

(21:04):
be tier A, especially in a place like this nig
I'm tier A plus.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
But also some people.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
To some people, they're like, who the fuck is Mandy
b Oh that home?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean, I think it depends who you are. We're
not going there to shut up. While speaking of that,
I look at Van Lathen as tier A. He's somebody
that's culturally relevant in someone that I enjoy listening to weekly.
And he had a hot take on one of the

(21:41):
he was a panel right, but this this hot take
actually was something that he said on a red carpet
where he was asked a question. I'm gonna play the
clip and I'm excited to get into this topic. So
let's get into its.

Speaker 9 (21:58):
My financial hot take is love investments. I love everything
that's going on here. My financial hot take is that
capitalism will not save you. They won't making more money
is not going to be the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
That brains your freedom. And what's gonna save us.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
What's gonna save us is and understanding that our humanity
is worth building systems that protect it. So like what
save you, the same thing that's gonna save us, and
the same thing that built is community sharing understanding. But
unfortunately it's not going to be making more money.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So a lot of people on the comments, uh, you know,
there was some people that agreed, some people that did not.
I'm curious to know where y'all stand with that. I'm
not gonna start with my hot take on that. I mean,
I can I disagree, but I'm curious to know y'all thoughts.
And that's only because to me, I also don't want

(22:47):
to hear this take from someone who makes millions. I
believe that money does bring happiness.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I don't believe it's not gonna save you. Don't common person,
but to save.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Are complex baby. Let's also talk about how the earth
is folding and crumbling while we're on it. Nothing is
going on and why and why?

Speaker 4 (23:09):
But why is it folding and crumbling as we're seeing
Because that community, first.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Off, and we all saw what was that queen and Slim.
We all saw it. We all saw it community, and
and all I think that's it.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
We community. You gotta have practice discernment. It's not just
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
However, when we talk about community, even in the in
the idea of say capitalism and global warming, community involves
humanity and all of humankind. We are out out here,
We're we're sitting here in a group of a system
that we're going against each other because of the color

(23:53):
of our skin and the ethnicity and where we fund,
where we're from in our diaspora. So this idea that
first we're gonna of community in order to save ourselves, bitch,
do you not know the goddamn earth we are?

Speaker 7 (24:05):
Community and community.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Community is a thing, But I don't think the community
in the pockets that it will exist is also the
way to save yourself, if that makes sense. I'm like
so to me. Even when we talk about jay Z,
when we talk about his access to certain things because
of the money. Money affords you to go into certain rooms.
It affords you the ability to make change within your
community if you want to. But it's very hard to

(24:31):
do so even without money, which of course we even
talked about that would be alone, right, they don't get
to do the change and get the mask out of
I mean clearly they.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
About Lamborghini's with our money, but I'm.

Speaker 10 (24:41):
Saying you need money even But.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Yeah, but everyone needs to understand that we all know
we need money. Like having money in exchange for goods
and services isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
But having money isn't capitalism.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Having being able to work a job or cash a check,
or have a bank accou out or have money in
that bank account isn't capitalism. There's no choice, Like we're
all inside this system. That doesn't mean we're all capitalists.
And like ft signified, it's funny because the day before
Van said that, uh eft signified shout out to him
had a clip that he talked about this idea that

(25:19):
people think that capitalism just means all, well, if you
got some bread, then you're a capitalist, and that's just.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Not how that works.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Do you want me to play the clip.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I would love for you to play that.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Clip because I love to be shut up. I will
find a way to be like that.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Here's ft Signified.

Speaker 11 (25:45):
Is an extremely low level argument to say that capitalism
equals having money or pursuing money. Capitalism is not financial currency.
It's not the same thing. I am so disappointed in
some of y'all. You're not a capitalist for having a job,
or even a well paying job. You're not necessarily a
capitalist for running a business or even being rich off

(26:05):
your work in labor. Now, there are levels of wealth
that are only possible with capitalism, and there are many
ethical issues one might encounter when pursuing wealth. But it
needs to be understood that the state of having a
lot of currency that you were paid due to your
job does not make you a capitalist.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Pursuing that currency.

Speaker 11 (26:22):
Because we live in a society where it's required to
have currency to pay for life, does not make you
a capitalist. It makes you a prisoner of the capitalist system,
and you just playing your role in it because you
have to. I want to be clear that anyone that
tries to defend capitalism or critique socialism or communism or
Marxism or any other leftist theory by pointing out that

(26:42):
you need money and have a job is themselves repeating
CIA talking points. These are some of the arguments that
I hear from my own people sometimes when I say
I'm an anti capitalist and broadly they work because this
country has done an amazing job of distorting what capitalism
is and what it means to be anti capitalists.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't even have to say that.

Speaker 11 (27:00):
I'm a socialist or communist or anarchist or anything else.
All I have to do is dare to criticize capitalism,
and some niggas will start talking about capitalism the same
Wady talk about Derek Rose before you hurt his knee,
and there it is, and.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
He there it is.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Y'all want to add to that?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So what's capitalism to broke niggas?

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I mean, but if you are a prisoner to capitalism,
to speak on anti capitalism sounds like a hypocrisy to me,
Like like to me too. But if you make a
certain level of money, right, and we talk about the
distribution of wealth, what is that dollar amount to where
a certain amount of your money goes back into the
community without you being then a capitalist, because if you're

(27:45):
going to lean into and we talked about this too,
and we hear it every week every week with Mark
Lamont Hill on the JVP. If you are making a
certain amount of millions and instead of distributing the wealth
back into community and instead you're having five cars, you
have a million dollar home, and you wear suits a

(28:06):
certain way, and you have a certain number of rolexes.
And if you're leading into the materialism of what wealth
affords you and aren't distributing that money back into the
community like we talked about, to me, you are a
capitalist because whenever I talk to someone like an antinette
who talks about, well, you only need a certain amount
of money to live a fruitful life, to pay your bills,

(28:29):
to praise your family, and then you should be giving
it back because there's a lot of other people, especially
if you run a business. I'm told the way we
I pay my employees, they should have a certain level
of way to know I pay everybody.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Don't do that.

Speaker 12 (28:42):
Everybody is right, are employees.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
We were Hilary.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
They were something like that too. So if you're ready
to make y'all move, I'm.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Signed to a nigga that.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
Signed to damn oh, I'm talking contract you're going.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
But that's that's my even thought on his take to that.
If you can admit that someone is a quote unquote
prisoner of this system that they should technically be against,
and the amount of money they make doesn't make them
a capitalist. I would like to know then what those
people who make this certain level of money are doing
with their money to give back to community or to

(29:41):
form community.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
That is the act. We never agree, but that's the
exact point. If you, no matter what, if you're supporting
community to whatever degree, if you're making millions, or if
your grandma who still gave that tempercent rolling chance to
the church times and I know people have their own
thoughts on that, but she was giving act to the community.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
And you already know.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Giving back to the community is the only thing that's gonna
save us. But it doesn't mean you can't be a
capitalist and get back to the community. Is where he
isolated it to capitalists, just some no here and everything
that's the community, No, somebody who's been involved with a nonprofit,
national nonprofit for twenty six years. You gotta keep those
lights on, You gotta pay for those means, you gotta

(30:33):
pay for the truck that's delivering the food into the homeless.
Everything comes with a cost. It's just you got a budget,
you make so much, and you do what you have
to do. Community is all. Community is gonna save us,
but it also can hurt us. Capitalism can help us
and it can also hurt us, see getting more money.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
So can I ask you that, because that's what I think.
My issue is the system of capitalism, and every time
anyone talks about it is evil. Is tearing down our community,
is tearing the world wide. Like if capitalism didn't exist,
the world would be a better place. Essentially, is what
I hear every time I hear the word capitalism. So
when you said capitalism can be good and it can

(31:13):
be bad, I'd love to know the thoughts of the
three of you how capitalism has benefited us, because we
never hear that part we talked about is such a
bad thing.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
In whatever city you're in, yes, whatever is where are
people go to the hospital, there's gonna be some wing
there yep, that some capitalists paid for.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (31:33):
The ability to get free whatever forever from your hospitals.
When you go and apply for college and you start
scanning for scholarships, there's gonna be some foundations that have
private names that aren't just some company. Some capitalists is
putting that money up every year. Yes, they may have
tax benefits. We all know that this make sense, but

(31:54):
it's still giving and providing for the community.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
You can't just ignore that.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
Okay, Sure, I love Charlemagne when he says compassionate capitalism,
and I think that's identifying. We got to unlearned and relearn,
like what You'll was saying. If we're saying these talk
these words and we don't know what they mean or
the context. So even when you think about capitalism, your
for profit, but what you do investing in the community,

(32:23):
you know, programs, whatever the case.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Maybe some of that stuff is not you know, publicized.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
They just do it, you know, because they that's their
mission and they use their wealth to do those things.
And that's usually the case. But I think us it's
this culture within we just like to anybody's rich, oh
he ain't for the people. He ain't for the people.
Like yo, bro, you're not going to know everything everybody does.
It may not happen today, maybe five years down the

(32:48):
line was a documentary or some kind of memoir. But
it's like the idea that just because you got some paper,
that don't mean that you are a bad person.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
And I agree with that, but I think the problem
is now days a and this isn't any fault of
our own. I think this is what society has showed
us like we're cynical, like who's in good faiths? Like
we can't who do you trust? And the problem is
is that when you watch Paramount try to buy up
the whole eating everything, when you watch Elon Musk buy

(33:19):
his way into the government, when you watch privately owned
prisons that contribute to judges campaign funds that are giving
niggas football numbers for marijuana that's legal in sixty percent
of the state and the only reason they're doing that
is because it's making somebody somewhere some bread. Like that
kind of shit is gonna rub people wrong. And it's like, so,
who do you trust with all of that money and

(33:41):
all of that power. What are you doing with that
money in that power?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
And apparently you can't even trust your own parents out here,
you can't trust these niggas. You can't trust your friends.
Like even when we when we hear about these athletes, right,
it's always sometimes the people closest to them robbing them blind.
So this idea that it's like who's doing what in
good faith? Unfortunately, that's when we go back to humanity

(34:04):
and the conversation, the conversation around when we ever see
world peace. And unfortunately you talk about the seven Deadly sins,
you can talk about just how people aren't even the
fact that racism is still being taught. Racism is taught,
and we're seeing, like what's happening with these children seventeen
year olds, Nola, wellsk those are high schoolers, you know

(34:24):
what I mean. And so as long as we still
have humans running these systems, teaching and reiterating things that
we all know that is wrong, I just don't see
this idea of keep talking about we got to get
rid of the systems. The systems are ran by people,
and people aren't becoming better.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
But I think that's also the part of community.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
I think community isn't just like let's sit around a
campfire and koumba y'ah. I think community is also what
are we teaching the same way you talk about racism
being taught, are we teaching people to.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Look out for each other?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Example, earlier this year, a couple of months ago, the
government was shut down and the TSA workers.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Were out of jobs. They were fucked up, they were standing.
The lines at the airport were ridiculously long.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
People work for months for free because they were like
I don't want to lose my job, but I'm not
getting paid to do this job. Where community could have
come in is if people had gangered together and been like,
all right, boom people.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, but like that that ain't enough, Like that's as
one day of lunch.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
If the community was organized in a way that said, okay, boom.
Everybody doesn't have ten million dollars, but if everyone could
put in x y z dollars to an organization that
we can trust, we can help support these people while
the Democrats keep the shutdown going on because they're trying
to achieve a goal. Can we help each other into

(35:47):
spaces where it matters to help to fill in the
gaps where people.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Have organization we can trust. These orgs are ran by people.
We thought we could trust BLM. We thought during Hurricane
Katrina we could trust FEMA.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like there's don't have to be branded.

Speaker 6 (36:02):
Let's be even that it's people.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
And there's bad apples unfortunately and everything. Yes, but like
this idea that we have to depend on people is
where yes, my Senate, what is the centicism?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yes, New Orleans with Katrina.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
When Katrina happened, we saw community people can when you're.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Under the rest.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
That's the expectation is to I need to lean on somebody.
Somebody wants to lean on for survival because.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
We do organizations written by other people, the president and
his decisions, the governor at the time and his decisions
failed the city. So yes, I believe in community coming
together to help. But community coming together when just the organized,
the organizers or the organizations or other people fail them,
that's the system right there.

Speaker 5 (36:54):
The thing is this, we just need a giant reality check.
The same people who are watching jay Z and Lebron
to open a school or something, they won't give a
dollar to a homeless person. It's just about the reality
that is the most basic level of community. Not caring.
I'm not saying give them a thousand dollars, the fact

(37:15):
that you want to roll down your window and take
four quarters out that twenty twenty dollars change and trying
not to make contact, turning your music up, making sure
your window up and your doors locked. The next person
is doing and your pocket watching, and you're saying you

(37:35):
ain't even this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
It's about community.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
What start off bight when you're talking to me, Barry,
what are you doing for community?

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Then? I can see if you're.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Worth me talking to, So I'm curious if we can. Then,
speaking of community, I'd love to know two or three
things that y'all do for your community, whether it's donations,
whether you do like, I want to know what y'all do.
Speaking of community, who let's start with job?

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, well, I think for the most part, it's about like,
if you're talking to kids, you're talking about even like
the kids in your own immediate family.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Like it doesn't always have to be strangers.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
But are you helping to raise your nieces and nephews
to understand life, understand finances, to understand the law, to
help them in various ways. I think that's something that
all of us should be doing. I know I try
to do it when I can. But like, everyone doesn't
have the same level of resources either. Community building doesn't
have to be to your point. You don't have to

(38:32):
give somebody ten thousand dollars to be in community. Are
you offering your time? Are you offering what resources you
do have?

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Are you, like, outside of talking to your family members,
where are you infiltrated, infiltrating or assisting the community that
you personally?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
I don't think i've done nearly a muff like I
think I do things.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
When when they're Yeah, I mean, I don't think just
because I think when we get on these mics, right,
it's easy to talk about community and all the things
that we can do.

Speaker 10 (38:58):
Who the fuck is coming capital that community where you are?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Hey, mom, man, you get past right.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
But also since said we're doing favors.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I'm potting i'll call you back.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Hey Mom.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
First, here she goes, I'm just very upset with what
I'm seeing in Orlando happening right now, girl, right now.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And I'm like, Mom had to come back up.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
You know, she got to come on.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I'm just so upset with what's happening right.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Just because I'm here. Y'all didn't tell your phone.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
So that the reason why I say that, because it
was Mom that would definitely I need you to see that.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Bitch went through the D and D was.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Notifications Orlando right now.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Anyway, Listen, I am still a daughter, and when and
when your mama call and I'm not what I'm doing,
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Answer for my mom.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Phe But what I say I do like that you're honest,
and you know we're not doing enough.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
You know, I think we can all do more. I
think we could, and that's in various types of things. Right,
I think we all know what's right and what's wrong,
and whether we're contributing the maximum amount.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Of effort to solve that problem or not is a
whole nother thing.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Barry, what do you do for your community?

Speaker 5 (40:29):
I thought their name after I've been working with the
National Urban League for twenty seven years. Literally just came
back from the National Urban League conference in Nashville last week.
We're doing local I'm in Saint Louis work with the
Urban League and Metropolitan Saint Louis. Not representing them right now,
but I'm being myself, but I do work with them,
volunteer work. We're doing a walk to bring out the

(40:50):
next generation this weekend. I'm always putting in my time
out and then the thing I do most, which is
gonna be fake to some people, I try to leave
by example in the room, I'm gonna try to elevate
those who need to elevate. If I'm in the room,
I'm at the barbershop, and people throwing away the disten
to that saying that even.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Here I won't do it.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
I don't judge my community for those things, but just
me being that little bit of examples, like you can
have fun, be in a good room, and not do
too much. And then then just watch out when I
see a young person like I had. I'm not a
vendor at investments. We talked about it earlier. If I
had to talk to at least twenty kids or twenty

(41:31):
young people, young adults about the photography business, about podcasts,
what sites they're using, what tools they're using, and just
being available, not talking down to them. Somebody helped me,
Somebody helped you, Somebody helped you. Maybe not everybody, not
every time. If you had the ability to give that
time and give that wisdom and don't say look at me.
We talked about this on the last time spot. Just

(41:52):
give the information everybody needs, just a little piece and
let them know it's just an opinion. They can make
their own decisions, as they say on the thing, do
your own research. But this is what I know and
this is what I saw, and being able to share
that willingly and openly, you can't do much more.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Let's get keeping let's know, yeah that's a big word
now that people love that thing too. It's like holding information,
hoarding resources, this zero some mentality that if I give
that means I have less, and it's like that's just
not how that works.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
Or charging for it.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
I mean, and I want to keep going back to
the festival, but I can.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I know what the AI book looks like, and you're.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Just doing a twenty page book and you're doing a
little power point selling is like, that's a grift.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Just have the conversation, Just talk to a free pamphlet.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
Yeah, this worths sixty five dollars and they always say
it's this knowledge is worth a thousand, but I'm gonna
give it.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
To you for a whole Yeah, yeah, right, right right right,
Like hey King, what about you.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
I've been servicing the podcast community for the past decade plus.
I put people in a position that have surpassed financially.
Not that I wanted anything from it, not that I
said okay, and I do agree about the gatekeeping thing,
but I do think we do need gatekeeper, but the
right ones and not keep it information, but closing the
doors from the degenerates from.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
That's another story.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Everybody can't meeting, but you can have.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Also I do.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I talk to too schools when asks you know what
I mean, I do that, I'm of service where I
could be of service too, I try to. You know,
It's funny when you see a panhandler. A lot of
times I don't have cash on me, and I feel
bad and it stays with me for a while, and
I'm like damn, because then you see another one, and
I'm like, the more we see that, the more I

(43:46):
know that we not doing enough.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
You know what I mean. But yeah, you kind of
just get in where you fit in.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
But I think once it's in your heart and your
mind to always be of service, I think when necessary,
you apply that. Unless it's a function or or or
or an advant of some sort where you have a
designated thing to do, then I think we should always
have that in mind. The other problem though, with pan
handlers the idea, because because I have friends that say, wow,

(44:17):
ship yo, I don't know if you're gonna use crack,
I'm like, bro, that's not that's not what the point is.
You have to release that that deed. What they do
after that, that's not your business. The fact that you,
regardless of what they do, they are our need right
and you are they're not you Wow?

Speaker 2 (44:33):
But yes, but you don't know that you're not you're
gonna give them.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Do you wanna walk around with them unless.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
You guess what? Like like if you give them five hours?

Speaker 8 (44:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
No, no, I'm talking about the ones where money. Right
If we outside of a restaurant and I offer to
buy you food, but you want money I want?

Speaker 6 (44:53):
Are you not?

Speaker 1 (44:53):
You goddamnant?

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You trying to give them?

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Give?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
They're going to get a.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Hit if you don't mean, if you're crackheads, you might
need to hit to live. You might die. If you
don't out, you might check out. If you don't get that,
like a body, you want to let them smoked their rock.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
No, I.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Foundation doing.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
I would love to share my list of things that
I do for my community specifically. First off, I pay
monthly to Planned Parenthood. They get financially.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Do you want to see pay for services?

Speaker 8 (45:30):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
No, no, no, I don't money and it is on
clockwork every month. No I don't. I mean I probably could,
but I could, but every month.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It's list.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I probably could rite.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Let me come right back to that.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
What she said, knowing that Planned Parenthood is where I
go get tested that I've literally had to depend on
as an adolescent, that my friends have to depend on
to me knowing that funding has been cut drastically with
this new administration. So I now pay, just started paying,
but I pay monthly to them. In terms of my

(46:10):
work now with Gilead and providing the information around PREP,
I'm on PREP. I'm having conversations more than ever with
people about PREP, because if I am going to push
sexual liberation, I think it's just as important to have
the conversations around medications that are there to help prevent
the things that could take us out right. So there's that,

(46:31):
and then I think Barry knows every specifically within the
Whorehive community on Patreon. Every thanks Given, every Christmas, I
reach out to single parents. So I grew up in
a single parent household, and I know how hard that
ship was on my mama. And so every Thanksgiving, every Christmas,
I send money to help for meals and I send
money to help for gifts in New York, I use

(46:59):
my platform. I made no money, but I brought all
the podcasters together. I love doing back to school things
because when I got to high school, as being in
a household with a single parent with two younger siblings,
I was working in tenth grade, so I know back
to school. That shit is fucking expensive. The backpacks, the markers,
the notebooks, and the list I see because you know,

(47:20):
I be seeing on a TikTok the list is getting
longer and the teachers are even digging into their own
money to be able to bring things into the And
so to me, education is very important. I have given
back to Lehman College for non traditional students. I started
school at twenty four, so having to work and go
to school, and heaven forbid, you also have kids or

(47:41):
a household to maintain, going back to school is very hard.
So for that too, all the things that to me
I think were I that I struggled with. If I'm
able to whether it's financial, whether it's throwing events to
bring things to the community, I definitely try to do that.
And I've been talking about this specifically for Decisions Decisions

(48:03):
getting into year ten. It is very important now for
me to become more mission focused. So going to the
Justice of Reproductive Rights shout out to Sister Song being
a part of that conference this weekend, I was just like,
oh my god, I don't even there's so much more
I could do, So I reached out there. There's a
lot of organizations that deal with domestic violence victims and

(48:24):
things like that. And seeing that our White House just
had a meeting about women's health with not one woman
woman in attendance, was like, what the fuck these men
have already taken away, Like they just decided to reverse
Roe v. Wade and take away our rights and autonomy
to our abortion rights. And the more and more things

(48:48):
they're getting in, I'm seeing like, damn, bitch, we about
to be hendmade sales out here. And so the idea
that within our own government we're having conversations about women's
health with no woman in the room, it reminds me
of the conversations we saw being had ford I, but
there was nobody black in the room, like all of
these we see it happening even when it comes to entertainment, right,

(49:08):
How the fuck y'all make who okay this script? Who
was who was in? And we know it was Argentina,
so probably nobody. Well who allowed the nigga burger? How
did nobody stop the nigga burger from coming out? How
did we not see certain like things that It's funny
because I saw Mary J. Blige apparently cringe about I
think was it McDonald's or her cat commercial commercial was

(49:32):
one of the.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Who okay this and so to me, me having the platform,
now it's important for me to try to find my
way into these rooms. And if I can't give them money.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Now, you know the funniest part about everything that she
just everything she did, everything that she just said, is
about building community boom, And you talk more passionately about
that than you did about community not necessarily going to
save us.

Speaker 6 (50:07):
Because I think I know why. I think I know
why she think community. She think is your likes community.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It feels like okay.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
To be fair. Yes Israelites kkk.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Oh no no, no, not people.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
So when I think of community to not all communities
need to exist.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I'm not here this much.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
Share on this platform, but not not all divine.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I hate community the same way that we align capitalism
in a negative light. Community doesn't always mean positivity either.
Like there's organizations and groups like the church. You talked
about donating.

Speaker 7 (51:02):
To the church, but there are churches, though there are
there are.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
But what we always lean into the bad.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
It's because I live in reality, y'all be wanting to
live in this fantasy world. There's a lot of a
lot of good, but there's also You can't talk about
just the good when you want to criminalize one word.
You gotta address too, but bad. Which is why I said, okay, Barry,
give me the positive on capitalism, because we don't hear

(51:35):
it often. It's always talked about in a bad light.
When we talk about community, it's always talked about in
this positive light, as if there ain't bad community.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
But the goal is the positive outcome. We can't worry
about the.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
You gotta worry about it because.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
But just like there are churches who are are philanthropists
interest right, our churches for philanthropic.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
They are community based.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
They Historically that's what the church was the centerpiece in
the community when you needed to go to even if
you wasn't even if you didn't belonged to the church, you
went there to connect with other neighbors or if you
had to find like minded people, find like minded people,
not necessary the actual but it was a hub. Now,
yes there are because it's modern. We see it on
social media. I don't think that that's we.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
See the lives and I'm not I'm not a church.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Person, but taking advantage of connection.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
As a questions.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
You know that a jillion people lost their job last year, Yes,
you know because of the things. Four hundred thousand women
have lost, closed down, could have been a single household,
could have been the primary provider.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
School's going bad.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
If I'm homeless, if I'm under housed, new terms, unhused,
trying to keep Yeah, I need a meal. Where are
you sending me? Am I looking for the capitalists that
got to a bundle in their pocket? Am I calling
jay Z because I need a meal today. It's the

(53:15):
people who are doing those services that you say, you
can't keep throwing away the word scam so casually because
they're keeping people alive. And I don't mean a serious
city that. I know we all joking, but you gotta
live grace for those. There's always going to be a
pastor that's given to today pirates and one in the
There's always going to be some society that's mismanaging their money.

(53:40):
But if they're feeding that family, that family, that family,
if they're giving making sure that person gets a vaccination,
they're making sure they're like the book drives. The people
who are doing that, I mean they may not be perfect,
but that kid walking to school with a new book,
band and shoes, does not know nor care. And that's
that's the difference.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Barry said. Al Capone was giving turkeys, giving out at
the back of the trucks, even though he was serving
dope the rest of the year, he was still giving
back the niggas always the turkey niggas.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You ain't ship all year nigga.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
And be like.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Things be frozen some of these people where they cooking
it at.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
But but that why they cooking.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
But even that example is like the we talk about community, right,
it's everything isn't going to put you in the black, correct,
Like everything everything that you do is going to put
you in the black. If you do more harm than good,
You're giving out a couple of turkeys is not balancing
the scales. Like I said before another bill collegey put
a lot of kids through college.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I was gonna bring up.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Ye and like that nigga with the prison as a rapist.
So like and even the people they talk about compassionate,
right is that but like you talk about compassionate from capitalism, right.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Like you're right, yeah, well then you get it how
you live.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
But it's like you have the compassion right for a
trillionaire billionaire. Yes, you put some money in the hospital's
books or whatever the case is is.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
That's now.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
You can call this nitpicking if you want to. But
is that compassion or is that a tax right off?
Is that a business move or are you actually trying
to do something to help the community.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Is that low level effort.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
For you because you can just call your account and
just be like, yeah, put one hundred thousand dollars whatever, whatever.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
You don't miss it. You don't think about it.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Somebody got to do it.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
You can't be miss no'tudge apply applying those tools is
not You're not bout for doing it.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Write it off so you could could continue to do it.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
You still, I mean, I know, being a fan for
a long time, I know some of your story. If
we called your mama back right now, you talk about
the times when y'all were really down, I'm assuming she
used some services, oh no.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So, And I think that that's why it's a big
thing for me for for single moms. Our home with
Section eight, we got four seed for daycare. We had
food stamps. That's when we got to get the good
cereal we had like when we've had we had we
had some Christmases that that were you know, Salvation Army gifts,

(56:17):
like every bit of assistance that could have been given
to a single parent. We got that. I got free
lunch when I was going to school. Like so I've
I've had all of that growing up. And so yes,
I do understand the organizations that do help people in need.
I also to do know as well the other big
people in charge that make it hard to even get

(56:39):
on those lists, that make it hard to even receive
those things. Like I've been talking with with my best friend.
She done went through three different hospitals now and is
going back to one because her insurance wasn't taking it
one and these other ones have just been held to
even communicate with her right And that has to do
with certain places not wanting to take certain insurances because

(56:59):
of the people that received that insurance. People who receive
Medicaid don't get to get even the best treatment of things,
even if there's a there's a company that's willing to
pay the bill. There's certain institutions that don't even want
to accept that because they don't want those types of
people in their in their in their establishments. So like
you know, that's where it's it's back to humanity and

(57:21):
these people suck. And I'm sorry, I'm always gonna acknowledge
the reality that people suck, including theirs in KKK. But no,
I mean, I get they're not the same, and I
get that there are communities that help. But also this
is a pot so I have to be a little
I've been holarized it just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Just love it. I can't wait you call it. I
need you gotta refer I need.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You're not gonna refer me, you are. I'm someone who community.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
What I'm hearing from all of this and that we
should be applying ourselves.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
We're gonna do some dry some kind of drive before
the end of the year. I would love to communities.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
First off, I didn't know that podcast because we did
our back to school events in in New York in
like September, Like the first week.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
Is your podcast. Peers ain't doing ship but yapping on
these mics. They're not doing anything for the community. I mean,
you know, in the community. They don't be in the community.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
No, they build community in the charge of clippers.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Another two weeks, another two weeks. Get up it up,
I can hear it now. Focus on coming. I got
to talk to her one more time.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Now, shout out to you know, get you get get.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Niggas are subjected girl niggas too.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Oh, Listen the same way I dollar clippers, the.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Same way I say bitch is gender neutral, like and
I said, broke bitches want marriage.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Bitches to be niggas too, like.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Apparently the men is the ones out here, you know,
being housed and you know, seeking women with money on part. Okay,
you're not ya, not y'all.

Speaker 6 (59:16):
I like to think that men in twenty twenty six
and moving forward, I think I know some people do word?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Have you seeing our comments section?

Speaker 3 (59:26):
I think.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Pieces of the priority listen.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Not for everybody, you know what you said, pieces of priority.
I shave misery loves company, and there's a lot of miserable.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
To the lady, listen, the.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Lady can't help them. Okay, lady can't help some of
these motherfuckers. You know why because they go to the
lady and lie. They go to the lady and don't
tell the truth.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
You know what's crazy. If you go to therapy, don't lie.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
To the list.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Don't lie to a point. There's no point in that.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
It's it's you, and and and the therapist.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
That's it. No one else you could be vulnerable. You
have to be.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
And if you want the help, you have to go
in with the intention of getting the help. Just like
if you go to invest fest, you gotta go with
the intention of gaining whatever you want from it and
not going with expectations that are unrealistic.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
That is so true.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
It is what Every opportunity is what you make it.
But if you just sit there and you just feed me,
I'm in the room just you still gotta work it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You still gotta work it. And y'all, Barry gotta get
his ass back to the Midwest, so we gotta let
him go. But this was this was insightful conversation, spirited,
very spirited, I mean a little.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Bit joy Joe's discourse on Instagram for the next couple
of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
He not he not responding to me no more.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I think he alert she did it again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
You know, more power to them. I'm not going to
talk about people's business operations. If that's what works for
him and his community, if that's the community he wants
to build. It's what I said going back. Not all
community is really community. And you know there it goes
if you're charging the community that also pays to support you,
that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
The two way street, though they have to actually participate.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I get it, but they're paying for the content, and
you're charging them for content that they're paying for. What
Kanye is saying, Kanye's I summarized without saying exactly, but
we have choices.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You rebranded what kant to repeat?

Speaker 10 (01:01:47):
I am yes, materialize before you cut you out.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
When when you decide to pay for something or not,
that is your choice.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Celey was a choice, all right, And thank you for
joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
Thank you for the opportunity. To those who are hating
right now, how do you do it again?

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