Ep. 75 | Bonnets, Ballots & Bullsh*t - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

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before we get to this week's episode, I want to
remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,
a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel
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wherever you read your books.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Again.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
That is No Holds Barred, a dual manifesto of sexual
exploration and power, written by yours truly and my co
host of the Decisions Decisions podcasts, Weezy. Make sure y'all
get that. Now let's get to this week's episode.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is Mandy B.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of The Black Effect
Podcast Network and Irradio. Hey yo, welcome to another episode
of the Selective Ignorance Podcast. I'm your host, Mandy B.
And as always, we are getting into all the things
that have caused outrage and fuss over the last week.
Up a King is bringing us his ignorant take for

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the week, and then we are dumping right into politics
with This is America starting off with the Nolan Wells
audio release as well as the.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Friends and family.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Planning to sue Ben Green. Now bro, oh yeah, it's
a mess. And then I already know we will possibly
have some differences of opinions as we discuss the new
dress code announced by Tuskegee University where they are banning
do rags and bonnets? Do we agree with these new rules?
Is select respectability politics the biggest criticism here? Oh yeah,

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then this is not a sports podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
But we have thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Lebron James went to Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Billy, what are our thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
We're getting into those before we get into it. Colin
Kaepernick versus my son?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Is my son valid in his claims and feelings about
Colin Kaepernick pretty much ghosting him?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
And know this was not a date?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Then in celebrities say the darnis things? Y'all basketball player
Michael Porter Junior, who is deciding not to dribble but
instead speaking on red flags for traveling women stupid, that's right.
He believes that if a woman has a lot of
travels on their Instagram page, that they're selling the coach.

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They you know what I mean? Like, come on then, last,
but not least. We are talking Naras Smith, who is
under fire after joining the Call Her Daddy podcast and
saying she was never a tid wife. The internet is
in a blaze for this, and I don't even know
if my male co hosts even know who Nara Smith is.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
But we're gonna get into all the things.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
We're gonna get into all of the ignorance. Y'all, welcome
to another episode of Selective Ignorance. I'm your host, Madib,
joined by my superproducers. I got journalism Jason in the
building all the way from Jordan Jersey.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Jason.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
What to do?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Peace, God, Peace, God?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
First off, not you got the chance the rapper.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Had on.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
He's three, of course, correction three is go ahead? Who
is seven? Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Three?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Sept free Richardson shout.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Out to sept three set free. Okay, So we've.

Speaker 5 (03:20):
Seen this Carmelo Anthony's you know, he's been a big advocate.
That's that's the ecosystem and the number seven. What's the
number seven?

Speaker 6 (03:28):
God?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, I mean that's a number of the guys
in the earth, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Oh, that's about this guy, knowledge, wisdom, power, cipher.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
And that's what Okay, all right, we might mathematics.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I used to be an ill belonged by somebody you.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Might have heard of, indeed, a Ka Daily Mathematics.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Okay, okay, the podcast that he was an ill belonger to.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Okay. So the seven is that what you said? It
is a divine number, Carmelos. He's a conscious brother, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (04:04):
You know, I don't want to give the pressure too
much info. You know, if we've seen the hats and
the jewelry, Okay, you've seen some jewelry.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I guess I'm not mad at it.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I'll be talking like I ain't got angel numbers on
my hands.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yes, I got, I got on me. Brought you to
the temple? What I go to? What the five Islam?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
You know, I walked into the Buddha temples. I've been
into some temples.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I would do it, Okay, I would walk into I
would walk into it like I could take pictures, like
you want to get stoned?

Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yes, yeah, so listen this guy.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah he's yeah, yeah, Jason.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
What is this book that you just held up for
the people not watching?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's called The Five Percenters Islam, Hip Hop and the
Gods of New York by Michael Muhammad Knight.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's right, all right, y'all, let's get it all right, Well, y'all,
let's get it himself.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So let's get it himself.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Right next to me, I got a king aka the
o g pot legend.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
What's going on? Hell of a week? Hell of a week?
Hell week? In a good way? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean any day that we hear breathing and
and you know, and not facing some of the ship
that we see in social media is always a good thing.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, you know I could dig it.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I could dig it. Then I got the King of
headlines write his ass off talking on the CNN or
whatever doing his thing, ya Jason.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
John pod Lessen, all the yap niggas, what up? What up?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Up?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Might somebody bit that's what I'm gonna say. We're gonna
talk about that later.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
I saw somebody using a yap Wait, your friend a
friend of a friend of the room. I was gonna
send it last night, and I'm like, nah, I don't
do it. I gotta do some research. Make sure it
ain't he ain't saying before. Do your research and then
let's line them up.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Damn they now shooting my style. Already.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Maybe I don't know for sure. I just show the yeat,
the usage of yeat nobody been using.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, I think you know what's crazy. I think I
know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
But I'm not gonna lie. He might have used it.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
He's been potting a long time, He's been talking a
long time.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Okay, I'm just ready for this type of No, no, no,
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
You know, you know it's crazy. I wouldn't even let
y'all light him up.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Let me not to tag him real quick.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, we're not.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
You know what's crazy. We gotta make this this pot
a little bit more peaceful. Clearly on the shooter. I
want y'all to be the friendly guys with me. Let's
not you know, okay, extent.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Comment sections. Everything has limits.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
The comments section. I don't even know if y'all saw.
I think I think we got to come in here
and list the most random people we see in the
comment section.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Now, I will say I don't know who y'all have seen,
But in the last week, one of the most random
people that have decided to jump into the comments with
discord and disagreement to our thoughts was the rapper, I'll
leave from the state lunatic.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Oh yeah, iim, I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I s
I see him pop up here in.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
I love the reach of our clips because sometimes it's
in maga land, sometimes.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
In hip hop land.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I love the ring no no, no, maybe they be.
It's kind of scary, but like mind you, clearly my
other pod reaches the manisphere and the red pill content.
I've never had a pod. Even when I did see
the thing is reach white Land. That was a scary
part of it.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
I feel like that's part of my duty up here
is to anger cracks. Like if I can upset the
white a week, at least once a week they get
a little rap that feel like I did my job,
they definitely be going they go down to archives.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
That was. But I guess it hits the algorithm differently.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, it might be new to it today and it
might be something we said four months ago.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'll be honest, and we'll get into your ignorant thought,
because I think that's may lean into it. It is
mind baffling how the algorithm and your algorithm literally informs you.
And I'll say this because I went to Orlando last
weekend to celebrate my sister's Stole University or skull school graduation.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Stole School one of those.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
She is an army veteran just got her bachelor's degree
from UCF and so it was all the military veterans
getting honored. And as I get there, my mom picks
me up and we're going. I'm like, oh, I'm a
little hungry. I want a little lunch. She was like, well,
maybe we could grab a little salad. And I said,
girl is salad And she was like.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
What you mean?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Florida literally is not a real place. She had no
clue about the lettuce. I'm break she hadn't.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Even heard of it.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
She was like, what's wrong with the lettuce? I said,
but it ain't just the lettuce. It's the lettuce, it's
the berries.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
I said.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Apparently it's coming into our garlet powder and everything. She said, wow,
I haven't seen that anywhere. And I was just like,
I'm like, and I don't know if it's just because
she's someone who watches at.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Least the news. I was gonna say, is she a
news watcher?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
But she is also on Instagram because she be showing
me recipes and shit. Because so I'm just like, it's
really kind of interesting how your algorithm pulls you into
that world and that world only, and unless you actually
research something or someone around you mentioned something, you're just.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Not going to be known. You're just not going to
know it at all.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Like you have to almost accidentally look at something for
the algorithm to be like, oh, you saw.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
That, you might have interested in that.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Let me kick you a couple more of these things
and see if you are down with the program. That's
why I look at everything, because I feel like we
don't look at the news like we look at the
news anymore. Actually, we might look at the news for
if they put out a clip of a particular thing
and it hits our algorithm, right, But I feel like
you got to digest everything, bro, It's so much going on, man,
my gut.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Health and good digesting this ship.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
It is bullshit out here, okay.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
You know, biotics and prebiotics and biotics and all of
the biotics.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
All the biotics we eat, all the biotics.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
It's one that you said that though, because I saw
a thread that says something about the one thing all
bad bitches have in common is fucked up stomachs. You said, said,
bad bitches fart and be gassy, and I b s
can't hold another dawn.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I can't even blame that. And then bad bitch is
all on GLP once too, and that be sucking up
your gut health if you don't know how to eat, right, So.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
You know, I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
And apparently bad bitches eat like sweetie sos and hot
sauce on goddamn was crazy?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You gonna be you gonna be a little gassy?

Speaker 5 (10:53):
How does that work with women who say that they
don't like to fart around their men and their partner?

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh, that's why you got to No, no, no, that's why
they're stomach carts because they hold it in and then.

Speaker 5 (11:02):
It explodes big as gass bubble and the justermenting.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Let me ask you know what, let me ask, y'all
go for it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Relationship status is marriage? How long does it take men
to start feeling comfortable to fart around their women? Like,
because y'all are men, y'all minutes?

Speaker 4 (11:23):
Yeah, it takes it takes women way longer.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yes, yes, I think I think I was.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Married for like three years before I said I caught one,
Like for my wife? What a man of this quick
like I wasn't even thinking about it.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Look, most of the times we're in the position, we're
either driving somewhere or with them somewhere doing something in
the bed. It's every time you feel that rip, you're
gonna just get up every time to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Let it go and come back. What did you have?

Speaker 5 (11:49):
White castles? That's crazyl for for myselther in this crystal?
You know what I'm saying. Crystals?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Right, you have one of some of them burgers? And
then what.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
What about shipping? Y'all do that too? What do you
mean because I say, y'all know I can with my
nigga for anyway when we travel. Now, he got to
be at the gym for me to ship in the
hotel room.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Otherwise I'm going down to the lobby. No, I'm going
to ship the door open talking to each other. So
you don't.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Know, like he gotta be. He gotta be at the
house for me to feel comfortable to ship.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean, so I am like if we're in
a hotel room, if I gotta go, I gotta go again.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
But like I would go down to the lobby.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Sometimes it's like, Yo, this is I know I'm about
to funck this joint up and it's gonna be nasty
and here for everybody.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Let me just go take nothing to shoot down to
the lobby real quick or whatever the case is.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
But like I'm started in my sleep before like this, everybody,
this is gonna be How did you know that?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
I heard myself and I woke up like god, damn,
I do that? Rolled over cool and right up? I
was like, yeah, what is that? Okay? When it's loud, though,
do you lift up the cover.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
To see if it's staks not traffic?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
If I'm in ad with her traffic? What do you
call it? Oven o? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's
the fun of it. I'm not playing with you.

Speaker 5 (13:14):
If it's just me by myself, I'm lifting the covers
up to get this ship like gony.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Wait, so you use the bathroom when you doing close.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
In most cases hotels, you could have the thing blowing
right the vent right concern What you mean that sh
don't change nothing. If you ship, you're gonna leave the
bathroom and leave it cracks or you know, circulation.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
What I'm saying is, I don't want to do it
while he's in the room. So and in the mornings
he'll go on walk.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Or he'll go to the gym. Then I'm like, wh.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, and will and then and then the way because
he eat my ass, so then the way I'm like, oh,
the way I got to take a shower.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, you never know. I gotta make sure.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
That thing is it's clean current hen he's gone, God damn,
put that tongue.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Back there, and you need to be ready. That's a whole.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
The way I put my the way I put my
finger up there with soap until there's nothing else.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Listen, as cleanliness is important. That we found that out
via I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
They originated that conversation, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Let me tell you this, and I will say it.
I said it.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I said it when I was talking to Carlos King. Now,
apparently straight men don't have these conversations with each other.
That's fine. My problem is the straight women who deal
with straight men, who literally make it seem like I'm
disgusting for licking a straight man's.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Ass because they don't clean well enough.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Y'all, bitches, is dasty if you don't think your man's
ass is clean enough to lick, because if it's not
clean enough to lick. You shouldn't be sucking as dick
Ordon balls because it's right.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
Yeah, that's that talk about you know, kissing. It's like, bro,
this ship is literally three centimeters away. Is that they
probably have done it and don't even think you didn't do.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
It because you did it at the clip the clit
is a little farther than.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Well, let's some of y'all telling niggas don't know how
to eat pussy. So some of them niggas probably just
be all over the block trying to figure out when
you're supposed to part.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
That work. You're like that girl, like, no.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Nigga, all right, well, hey, can you have an ignorant
thought take us into it before we get into politics.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know what, it's not really ignorant thought. It's more
of a concern into ignorance. So, you know, we spoke
briefly yesterday and I say, yo, man, it's August. We're
in August when we record. This is going to be
the third day of August. The midterms are coming up,
and I don't want to the politics. The politicians are
doing what there what they normally do, but I'm concerned

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with the people. Okay, I don't feel like collectively there's
a sense of urgency about this, and I don't think
that we are.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Ready for either outcome.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
I don't think we're thinking about either outcome, because there's
an outcome that exists. And you know, it's funny, Spider
Man just came out and we were waiting for Doctor Doom,
and we know the whole part of the storyline is
about the incursions and the timelines, right, And I think
about the timeline that we're in now.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
There is no going back after November.

Speaker 5 (16:31):
They've already showed us what they know, what their design is,
and if there's an opportunity to pivot away from that,
we don't get this chance again. So I wonder if
collectively we understand and already I don't think you ever
be ready but for whatever the possible outcomes can be.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
And the outcome that I'm thinking of, we've never been there.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
So you feel like if we thought about it, but
we've never been there, and I don't think that we
are ready for it.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I just want to add one more thing. So
I saw a very hard.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Wretching video the other day about how they were detaining
Haitians right ankle monitors about the Ohio right, and they move,
they only can move within seventy five miles away from
their residents, and they're determining whether or not they can stay,

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but until then they gotta. So I'm just like, damn,
I get it. That's a separate, partially separate issue, but
collectively as it relates to November, are we really are
tapped in what the possibilities look like? I mean, I
would hope so at this point, I mean, there's so
much information that has been going on this whole year.

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There's been one thing after another after another. I hope
people are paying attention. I hope people understand how serious
it is. But to your point, who knows.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Everyone is being outraged at the wrong things, especially like so,
let's take it to Atlanta. Literally, people are just upset
that politicians are sitting in black owned restaurants as if
majority of this goddamn city isn't black owned in some way,
shape or form, and people aren't looking into policy, what

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does change look like in the city, who can actually
sit in those offices, And then also being mad that
Keisha ain't doing the same thing, but then also not
yet but it's Augusts and that's what you're saying. So
when you talk about not yet, at what point do
the people that we want to sit in office make
themselves as visible as the other people that are literally

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taking over our timelines on a weekly basis now because
they're out there and they're just sitting, they're sitting and
enjoying meals, sitting with these restaurant owners. And then at
what at what point in time too, are how are
we going to acknowledge that all black is not democrat
and so the idea that we're not even allowing space
for the and we don't need to allow space for them,
but in terms of acknowledging that black people are also

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very conservative leaning. So now at this point we don't
need to look at the black woman versus the white man.
What are the policies and how is it going to
impact our communities? And that's the other thing we don't
even people just look look.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
At who's running.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
And I think it's what we talked about too, in
terms of when we look two years from now, twenty
twenty eight, what that look like the fact that right
now the Democratic Party looks like AOC and Kamala that's
kind of scary because, like you said, thinking of the outcome, though,
are we ready for any woman of color to lead?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Before we even get to that, we got to get
to know member, right.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
But to your point, though, I think the conservative lens
they understand the strategists on the conservative side understand optics right,
And but to your point, we outrage and we emphasize.
It's like, okay, they took the went there, he took
the picture. Okay, that still has nothing to do with
you galvanizing your communities to make sure November you take

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care of business whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
And instead they're galvanizing the communities to not support black
owned businesses. Like to me, their outrage and what the
solution is doesn't make sense for when midterms.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
They kind of withhold the giving up their power.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Like yeah, but you're sitting here telling the community, Okay,
don't go eat at TOASA Linux, don't go eat at
Big Daddy's, instead of just saying, hey, we need to
make sure we vote.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That's that's how you galvanize the community. You tell them
that come November, this is what we need to do
to ensure that we as a community can continue to
keep getting grants that the Department of Education is getting
their funding. How we need to so that certain schools
aren't more funded than other schools. They were even talking
about how redlining is impacting more house and certain certain

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HBCUs here in Atlanta, and I'm just like, why are
we using our algorithms to be outraged at black owned
restaurants instead of just encouraging to go out and freaking vote.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And we don't.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
We could be outraged and be upset with it, but
I don't think we stay there. I think now you
combat that with information. You showed the counter. What's the counter?
That's what I'm like, what's the counter other than saying
don't eat there? What's the counter?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Collect counter?

Speaker 5 (21:24):
Well, I would say that as far as the toaster
on Linux, and I forget big Daddy, Big Daddy.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I mean even we could throw it in there. It's
happening this weekend, the fuss around and best Fest in the.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Last I don't know. We may be doing a bonus,
but that's another I mean, if we do.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
It on, the bonus is gonna drop whenst Fest has happened.
So we I mean we can, I mean I don't know,
we y'all don't even know. We ain't been in the
studio in two weeks, so it's like, I don't mind,
but to me, but but to me, that also kind
of leans into what this conversation.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
You don't know what.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
I don't think we're ready for eating. I don't think
we don't know. We have to be if you are concerned.
The urgency should be there. And I think everybody's just
kind of like, all right, whatever, cool.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Well, I mean, I think it's one of those things where.

Speaker 5 (22:13):
Black people, and not just black people, but even like
other communities of color tools lesser extent, but black people
voted overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris, like between men and women,
we're talking about like almost ninety percent. As a means
like niggas are gonna do what they're gonna do as
far as like the voting goes. And no, not every

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black person is a left wing or a liberal or Democrat,
but for the most part we are, not because niggas
have any particular allegiance to the Democratic Party, but because
we know what the other side is. Because we know
that if you're touting yourself in Rick Jackson's case, who's
running for governor Georgia, if you're running as Trump two
point zero, if you're running ads to say for a

(22:56):
legal immigrants either deported or departed, like, we know what
you're on. It doesn't really take a whole lot. You're
saying the message out loud is not hidden. We know
you're not for abortion, we know you want to kick
out illegal immigrants or kill them according to your AD,
and you know that you want to be a version
of Trump for the state of Georgia. I'm not sure
what much more information niggas need to dig into outside

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of that. Now, could there be policies that he has
that maybe could be helpful to one aspect of our
lives or another?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Maybe?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
Sure, and you know, we'll talk about it in a bonus.
A Republican back policy that maybe could be helpful for people,
that maybe has some strings attached to it. But ultimately,
like people aren't going to vote for that man. What
we need is voter turnout. Like who we're going to
vote for is pretty much not in question. We know
who black people are going to vote for. Is how
many black people are going to come out to vote

(23:49):
for Keacha Land's bottoms In the case of Georgia. The
thing that part of my concern honestly, more than which
I think what you're saying is fair because our people galvanized,
are people excited, already already hyped up to do this thing.
I can't read that ship. I don't I don't feel it.
Or maybe so maybe it's too early. Is it too early?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Shadow? But it's three months, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I think, I think kind of leading into you and
then Jason, I'll have you wrap it up because you're
in You're in Jersey, but you're right over the bridge
from Mundan.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I got a problematic Philadelphia representative. Now that's causing the
ways uh Fetterman, I.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Mean, I guess we're talking about it from being in
the Bible Belt and the state of Georgia. Are you
having like what are the conversations around mid terms.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Up up there? Nor?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
I mean, I think it's I think it's right to
have like concern, but I do think it's probably a
little early. Like I think all that is going to
be picking up come September. Right Like I think right
now it's sort of like the end of the summer.
Nobody's really paying attention to it. The people who are
paying attention to it. I think it's and to like
echo jobs point turnout more than anything. I think the
majority of people know what side they want to vote for.

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It's just a matter are they going to vote or not?

Speaker 5 (25:06):
You know, I guess I guess what My concern is
ramped up now because it's so it's an overwhelming amount
of malcontent, goofy shit that's going on and every day
amplifies and I'm like, well, shit, when is it that stop?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Right? As it relates to this conversation here, it's like,
are we really serious now?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
This is?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
This is we're talking about some other shit.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
I mean, it's getting scary, and I guess speaking of scariness,
we'll get into this as America. Joh, I'm gonna let
you take lead on this because you wrote two articles
for Boss Up this week about it. So let's let's
dig into the audio release it being confirmed that it
was not AI, and then what's happening with the families

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planning to sue?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Do you want to? Like, let's get into it.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
So a sound engineer name Janetta Brantley, she took it
upon herself to clean up the audio that was released
the emergency call for the Sea toe in the Nolan,
Wales case. The friends had said that their boat was sinking.
They called for se toe and that information was released
by this state, I believe last week.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
So she took it upon herself. You know, you have
a nine to one to one call. It can be
hard to hear it's distorted, So she wanted to get
it as clear.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
As she possibly could because she thought she heard things
that sounded super suspected. Yeah, so she was like, let
me make sure I actually heard what I think I heard.
So she took the time to clean it up, and
that audio that she released went super viral. I mean
multiple pages, big platforms. Everybody's talking about it. People transcribed
it so they could, you know, based on what they

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thought was being said.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
And so do we have the clip, Jason, do you
want to try to find the clip?

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So that what's name again, Joe Jet, Jeanette Bradley.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Janetta but Janetta Bradley. I think it might be on
her threads pages. Well, you know, it's so crazy.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Even if you match the the original audio with her
clean up, nothing changed other than I'm talking about the
you can hear the verbiages matches.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Now I'm while he looks for that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It's interesting that, of course they went straight.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
To AI, which is to be and did you guys
watch I believe it.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Was season three, if not season four of The Morning Show.
Oh yeah, so season was around h audio that had
been leaked that literally was AI. But that was detrimental
to to her and could have gotten her federally charged
and all these things. But AI is something to be
scary of, and we talk about it now like you

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can use someone's voice and insert it into make it
a whole You can make a whole podcast with someone's
voice now, right.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, but as a producer, as producers, but not even
going to go out and go on a limb and
create some funny daddy ship knowing that you're doing that.
But people were held accountable and could that could be
a charge like what you're not. But people would yeah, people,
people would like I mean because we were talking during.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
The presidential election last year where they had like Trump
in a video looking like he was robbing a store,
Kamala rodding around when it god damn forty hand like.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
When we were talking about so she so because the
because of those AI allegations.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Yeah, okay, let's you want to finish your point.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh go ahead, Well just that you.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Know, because AI is such a prevalent thing nowadays, I
think people are right to be a little skeptical at
least want to know more about it. But she came
out to defend her work basically saying that you know,
this is what she does, and she knew that people
would think that it was AI, so she purposely stayed
away from any plugins or any programs that are AI

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based or AI related, just so that she could have
the peace of mind. Now obviously that's that I'm don't
want to cast anyaset versions on her. But again we
have to just take her word for it because we
don't know. We weren't there, we don't know what she
did or whatever the case is. But to your point,
I was second.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I even when I'm in audacity and I know you're
you are sound engineer, it like everything is coded as
to when you like cut something, snips something out, Like
there's codes ingrained into.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Audio, audio file and audio five.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
But miss Brentley did an excellent breakdown of everything she did,
and she showed she even put the time codes, So I.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Think she did that so there won't be no ques
questions about it she knew except this one.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, and and also so some of the things about
the breakdown what a king is saying, So she you know,
she used a lot of audio techniques subtractive EQ, compression,
gain adjustment, and then part of her quote, she said,
once I separated the dispatcher from the boat and started
concentrating exclusively on the background dialogue, what I believed that
was hearing became extremely difficult for me to process emotionally,

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and I needed to take a mental yep. So here's
some of that audio right here.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Hey up, So some of that audio that.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
You're hearing, so uh, at the root of it was
when people call nine to one one, it starts recording
it immediately almost but even before you speak to a
dispatcher you can hear it.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
So at the end you hear the guy saying like, oh,
you know, our boat towed. We need to we need
a tow.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
But before that, there was all that cross talk, and
what she did was enhanced where they're saying, oh my god,
you know, I think he said somebody killed him. And
that was the thing that was like really compressed and
difficult to hear with the cross talk. But she isolated
and took the dispatcher out. So it's still a little
difficult to hear. But if you find that clip and
look it up, you can see it. She broke it down.
It has the name and what's out the cross talk

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of the dispatcher. You can hear in the background while
they're saying like, oh my god, I think he's dead.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Did we kill him?

Speaker 5 (31:06):
Well, even in that when you stopped it, that was
Iso was I forget who which kid it was that
was talking, but you hear him having the conversation with
the dispatcher.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
It's quite interesting.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
And so what also appears to be interesting we know
that Ben Crump has jumped on this case to seek
justice for Nolan Wells and his family, and for whatever reason,
even though they keep identifying themselves as friends of Nolan Wells,
the friends are now seeking to sue Ben Crump for defamation.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
So it's it's it's.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
And with the Ben Crump things like they're talking about
I believe they're talking about Ben Crump, but they're also
talking about creators, social media creators, anyone who's done content
with a big platform that has talked about this case
in a way that they feel is asserting an allegation
against one of the kids that they did this or
that there's something suspect about it.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
They're looking to sue those people. It's sound familiar, what embarrassing?
Do not bring up, Drake, I didn't. I didn't say it,
So that means if it smelled like if it, that's

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what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
So essentially, these families are are considering h It's funny
because I think we can all presume that these are
probably right leaning, conservative type white people. We can assume
that right and a lot of times what the conservatives
complained about nowadays is what they call law fair is

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using the law and lawsuits and things to you know,
they're being attacked with these left leaning people who want
to sue them for things and say all this stuff.
So it's like, it's interesting that they're jumping right to
their own law fair and trying to sue people who
were spoken out about this case in certain kind of ways.
But we all see what we see. I don't know,

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I don't know what judge is going to uphold this lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I mean maybe if there's like, well, we are dealing
with the jurisdiction of Mississippi.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
That's true, that's true. So I mean, we'll find out.
Let me actually been crump. I know the Nolan Wells family.
They started, they did their lawsuit first, and the idea
was that the reason why they follow lawsuit is so
they could stop any removal of information or Yeah, so

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they say it's a particular term. So what's called It's
called a preservation letter. And so they sent all the
families a preservation letter that basically says, hey.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
We see y'all. Don't do shit.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah, don't destroy no evidence, don't throw away no clothes,
don't delete no emails, none of that.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
It wasn't a monetary thing.

Speaker 5 (34:02):
But he had to do that court uh submission, just
so they could stop any funny that he shit happened.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
And they was already allegedly I didn't even know that.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Well, clearly they were already deleted TEXASOG. But I didn't
know anything about a preservation I.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Didn't know anything about that.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Part of that was initially for their own autopsy, because
they followed their own autopsies.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
But did they ever get the lungs and throat to
my knowledge, even when they did their own autopsy, And
that was the one that either Tyler Perry or Colin
Kaepernick helped fun complete it was sent. The body was
sent without certain parts.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, what I read was and I don't I didn't
have a time to do like a super deep dive
on it.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
But what I read in the article was that when
a state or county medical examiner does an autopsy, they're
saying that it is standard procedure that certain things that
they might keep certain parts of a person. If you're
sending out or independent the main nigga ship, yeah, keep

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the loving certain things.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
So it's like, I don't know. Yeah, so I don't know.

Speaker 5 (35:10):
What you imagine the parents, bro, you telling me I
can't get my kids ship because what?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Because what? Because what? That's crazy? So the whole thing is,
the whole thing is crazy. And all I know is
I'm glad we seeing Nancy Grace on the case. She's
not playing around. I say, she is.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Playing like if y'all a gout the soup being crumped,
Nancy Grace about.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
To be on that.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, yep, you know. I watched her, and I watched Tells.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Because Casey Anthony ain't slept to day since ever, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm here for this be I love when I say,
I didn't even know she was still out here like
doing the thing.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
I don't think she's been out here. I think she
came back out or whatever. Yeah, I think she hold
on what you're doing?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
What out there?

Speaker 5 (35:53):
I think she was like, no, let me spray this
bob down and glue and ship real tap and get
it from this microphone and start telling these people what
the fuck going on?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
But see that's that's the cloudiness and the flooding the
zone that they're doing. Right.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
We got we got the other fake officer that's out
here campaigning for them people.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Officer what's his name? Officer Tatum? What's up? What that names?

Speaker 5 (36:14):
He's a clown for such a long time.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
It's like, I'm not surprised that he took on this
first off.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
He has been on every June twenty v one and
what I say, getting his ass.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Chewed us all the time.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
He's like he's like, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I said, he keeps.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Getting because he ain't got no wins. He just ain't
got no sources, don't be taking no facts. Just well,
this is what I think I'm telling you. You wrong,
niggay out here getting chewed up.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Well he's used to be a cop, so you already
know he's not like the sharpest tool in the box,
Like that's not what you get hired to be a
cop for because you're super intelligent, like you walk the
beat because you're a dumb ass who's willing to take
thirty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
And I want to ask the audience too, would y'all
like for us to start booking some of them type
of niggas up here to have conversations. I would love
to just start because I want to know and mind you,
Davey Ladder wrong, but I'll hear him out.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
But I would love for us to sit down with
some of these, some of these I want to know
what your childhood is?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
That what you're gonna ask? How are you raised?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
What is the core? What's the cause that you act
like this?

Speaker 5 (37:30):
And you it's not like you try to he's not
trying to be fair and balanced now, it's like every
time is an issue, he's always anti without even examining
the issue. Well, a lot of people have talked about this,
but like in the in the in the internet sphere
that we live in now of commentary and content creation,
like one of the fastest ways to get on and

(37:52):
get a quick following and get paid is to be
black and hate black people. Like if you're that guy
or that girl, like you can amass a following real,
real quick.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Of course it is, of course it is.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
But but what he's doing is not what Candas Owens
is doing. Candice Owens seems very educated and knowledgeable and
fully standing in what she believes. We agree or not,
she at least has back up.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
To why she feels the way she does. Certain times
I have not heard a certain times because.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, I don't think Candas Owns is a gripter, like
I'm seeing the grifters.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I don't believe Candas Owns is a gripter.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I think that she she's a grifter with pretty privilege.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Now she's shying right.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
The thing with Canvas is I feel like Candace is
educated enough and has, especially more recently, try to stand
on things that the Overton window is open for right now.
But like when she goes on a crusade and makes
a documentary about the French president's wife being.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Now you've jumped off the legs.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
So it's like everything, but she do it just enough
stuff to seem like she's this is a sensible person
and then she'll do some ship like that with Blies Entertainment. Yeah,
it's like okay, Like now, you know when I.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Said, you know, marriages for broke bitches.

Speaker 5 (39:15):
That was just that was just that was have you
been defending her outside of you, I've been defending this lady.
I'm annoyed, like only one person hit me about it,
and it didn't even hit me about the marriage part.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
They hit me about the Joe ship. Okay, but.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Young girl, man, he's a hater And I'm like what
And I don't even know what's happening, And I'm like,
what makes her hater?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
When I feel like if you're not follow that ministry,
just I.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Didn't have to tell my friends. As long as you
still love me, as long as you love me, I
don't need to defend like because I don't want my
friends mental.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Health to be to be you know, damn the Kings
and he been suffering on your Jason. It didn't get
to you, did it because to be there put it
on the radio, he said, are you kidding me? What
top of you guys say?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Oh wait, y'all brought it to Hot ninety seven to
we did we put on a group therapy segment?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yo?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Wait, what are the callers that people call in about it?

Speaker 7 (40:24):
Now?

Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's just the status okay, Yeah, we don't need all I.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Know is friends. I didn't need for y'all. What Jason,
go ahead, But I'll.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Say to tie Mandy together with like offer potato and big.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
You would say that on the mic, but in the
green room she would say that too, And so some
of the rippers, that's the difference.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
In the green room.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
They're like, yeah, now you know, I'm just saying this
to get my dollars up, and then the mike they
transformed to a different character. So like, I think you
should be willing to talk to some folks that have
some of those opinions, But if they're on the green
room talking their ship like yeah, no, I just say that.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
To do that, you should call them out when the
turns on.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Not you telling me I'm a gripter in real life.
That did not help me.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I always told us I always say this to you, man,
I say it to your face, and I said to
everybody else, man heeds the same person she is. There's
not the bridge between who she is on the mic
and off the bike is really short because she's an original,
right like that, that's who you are.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
After I want to tell people, I think a lot
of women actually feel like that. But they mad that
you pointed it out.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Mirror listen to and I said it last week, and
I know a lot of people were like, dang not
you responded without your calls.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I want to hear what they say.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So I'm glad that y'all. You know, they sat in
the comments. But it was something that I literally responded
to the morning of the drop, because last week was
a pre recorded episode because but chall.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Was in, say Martin, Okay, I was just trying to
clarify that too. Yeah, you speak speaking about women who
look for the come up, they broke and mind you
in the same breath.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Everything around modern dating is talking about finances and the transaction.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
So it's just, you know, it's it's difficult. Now, we
men do it too.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
You said marriage. You didn't say women men do it
too well.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I said broke as if niggas can't be bitch broke
niggas bitches.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
These days, broke bites, genderist dudes.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
The women took it.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
As I was only talking about them, But yeah, we're
getting into it. Bitches is gender neutral?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Bitch? You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Now let's get into Okay, this is, by the way,
last week's episode, Uh, they did say in the comments
as well, might have been one of our most ignorant,
But it's because we disagreed.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
What was ignorant? Well, the uber ride it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Ut what else did we talk about last week that
we like disagreed heavily on.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I don't know a lot of shit, but I'm curious
to know.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Because the discourse around this conversation this week has been
quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Tuskegee University has announced a new dress code. So under
President doctor Mark A. Brown, there has been an implemented
new campus etiquette guideline that is requiring professional attire in
shared spaces, specifically prohibiting items like bonnets, do rags, and

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bedroom shoes. These rules, aimed at fostering a professional atmosphere,
also addressed classroom attendance and cell phone usage, with enforcement
authorized by faculty.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Now, the internet has been in.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
An uproar around specifically this targeting black students and them
wearing bonnets, do rags and other household items. Essentially, now
this leaned into respectability politics and critiquing the fact that
dressing as a professional doesn't necessarily determine how successful.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
You will be.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wearing a suit doesn't mean that you're the brightest person
in the room, and so there's a bias also in
the fact that these are what we wear our community.
So it's taking away from that. I would love to
know y'all's taks. Now should we do this to see
where we all stand?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
First?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Let's steve it forward. I'm curious to see if we align.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So let's start with Jason, because he's the only other
to the aligned.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Are aligned? Jason?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Do you agree or disagree with the new dress code
for Tusken University?

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I wholeheartedly disagree.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You disagree? Jason?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Do you agree or disagree with the new dress code?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Could not disagree more?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
You disagree?

Speaker 2 (44:51):
A king?

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Do you disagree or agree with the new dress code?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I understand, I understand. I don't. It's not it's not you.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
If today's generation has the intellectual intelligence, the emotional and
intellectual fortitude to do either or like when you were
we at Ta Ski he prestigious university, I think you should.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It has to be a you know, acknowledgement of what.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
But wait, look man, when I go get your get
your thoughts together, wo moment, I agree fifty fifty you ready,
y'all know I agree with this guy.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Damn you.

Speaker 5 (45:46):
Mandy Telegreen back, Mandy Telegreen is in the buildings.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
But you know what social lady who no, no, no,
who wanted to lyrics.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Say, Mandy hold his hands?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Hold what's what's old girl? Maxic? No not MAXI damn
not vaccine shan no no no.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
Remember when they throw intopoc. She was part of the
reason why we got the parental advice.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Anyway, First off, half of your thoughts probably share with
my dues.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
So let's start with then, Jason, Jason and Jason, uh,
tell me.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Why you guys Esquires like that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Jason and Jason Esquire, Uh, please tell me why you
guys disagree with this new dress code?

Speaker 5 (46:38):
Okast Well, first, I mean, like everything that people are
saying about respectability politics, like it might be low hanging
fruit but yeah it's like no dub but yes, that's
exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
I mean, there's no other way to really couch it.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
Like people have been going to college for hundreds, if
not thousands of years. I went to college in nineteen
ninety nine. People will whatever the fun they going, yeah, yeah, yeah, almost.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
No no no no, no, no, no, no, no, okay.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
People havent dress, however the fuck they want to dress forever.
Nobody in my school came to a in a suit.
And I went to a bougie ass p w y
private school and nobody Emory was coming to These are
all like trust fund babies and privileged rich kids that
probably went to Podea and embarrassed. And yeah, the nigga
wan say all kinds of ship cloppy hoodies, pajama pants,

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birking stocks with they to your ancestors. No, I don't
be upright. Yeah, upright is my behavior? Upright is how
I'm sitting in class learning. But what the fifty sixty
seventy thousand dollars year?

Speaker 1 (47:44):
But with the motherfucking girls in the back of that
ubercar last week?

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah, because fucking drivers drive the car. Nigga.

Speaker 5 (47:50):
But but what the benefit is it for you for
a young man to walk in the establishment with his
pants hanging down in the do rag.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
But that's but that's not what we're not saying. The establishment.
We're saying to go to class, to go.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
To class, I paid to go here, right, I'm not.
This is a service that I'm doing for y'all. This
isn't me interviewing for a job.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
This is me going to class to get the knowledge
that I need to hopefully move on professionally and do
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I'm going to get Becky with a bonnet.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
I don't care who wears a bond it. I've never
give a fuck about none of these things. Like people
be complaining about the airport dress and all that. I
don't give a fuck, and honestly neither do the people complaining.
You're never gonna make me believe the niggas care about
seeing bonnets in airport.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
You don't care. You do not care some new ship
to complain about, because niggas love to you.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Do not care.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Crystal sat at the sat at the airport.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Mind you. We took multiple planes. We plane, we took
our ca My lobster is too buttery, my steak is
too juicy.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
And let me tell you we saw because because we
were on an island where a lot of black girls
in groups travel because and I'll.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Get more than that later with my with my with
my take on the nigga, we.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Looked across and saw three girls in bonnets and were
kind of disappointed as to why they felt the way
to display themselves like that on even in the Islands.
So like for me, hear me out, if you have
the wherewithal to strip, to stick to a dress code

(49:23):
when you go to the club, because maybe when you
go to Miami, when you go to Vegas, when you
go to certain places, you know in order to get
into the club, you gotta be dressed a certain way.
If you want to work at certain jobs, you know
the dress codes at these Fortune five hundred companies. You
know the dress codes at a job that's going to
make sure you make a certain amount of money. Baby,
if you want to go work for the nigga that

(49:44):
has the club above the goddamn gas station here in
Atlanta and be yelled at because they make good money,
I'll know AoE or whatever it be.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
My point is, there is a dress code almost every place.
Even as men.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
You can't walk in a certain restaurant us with that
hat on. And so for me, if we know that
there are certain establishments that make us dress a certain way,
because it does mean that you even fucking care keep
your bonds and your du rights in the house. I
don't think that we as a community, mind you, we.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Talked about this last week too. We understand that the
same way.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
The same way we can talk about cracker ass crackers
and even the more well established Mormon because there's poor
and poor and rich whites too, right, there's a difference
in the way they carry themselves as well. So let's
talk about if you are going to college. Well, sometimes,
if you are going to college and you're spending a
certain amount on your education, you should care.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
About how the hell you look on the things you
said apply to what I'm doing in my regular life.
If you want a job that you warn't a Circain City,
you're gonna wear a circuit City shirt. If you want
a job a Smoothie King, you're gonna wear the Smooie
King shirt.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You gotta give me me. And class is not none
of those things me.

Speaker 5 (50:54):
This is not a club, this is not your private establishment,
this is not your bougeye ass restaurant.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's not none of that. You're paying my money to
come to this class and learn teach me, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
See you know the difference between A and y'all might
chew me up, but I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I think I'm all right with this. Taking my head
right now out.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
You want to know the difference between someone who's college
educated and someone.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Who didn't go to college. God, here we go. This
is already going bad. Hear me out.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Hear me out, because even as a podcaster, the way
that I know how to look at a statement, how
to show up in email, how to show up on time,
how to show up within a certain decorum, all is
because I went to college for four years. And college
is actually supposed to prepare you for how to be

(51:41):
a professional, how to be on time, how to have
good attendance, how to get ready for a project, how
to work with a team. It's not just you're there
for your academia. It's supposed to be a building block
for how you're going to carry yourself in a professional setting.
And baby, let me tell you, as a podcaster, as
a media personality, it's very clear which of my peers
went to college and which ones didn't, based on how

(52:03):
they respond in emails, how they show up in certain settings.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
The ones who didn't go to college.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Baby, think it's okay to show up twenty minutes late.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You know how many ignorant niggas go to college that
don't mean shit.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I'm saying it prepares you to show up a certain way,
and so ta Skegee University. When that thing gets put
on your motherfucking diploma, and now this is what jobs
are seeing, they might even be like, well, I no,
we ain't got to worry about how they gonna dress
because because I'll just say it, and can I also
be honest? Do you know that's another thing that they

(52:33):
talk about us in And I've shared this even on
when I worked in corporate America, it was like we
we we went through the Crown Act already. There's there's
a way that we just should be presenting ourselves that
we're not ignorant to.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
It's the selective ignorance to act like you don't know
how to show up in certain I will say this,
but certain.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Where you should wear a new ragger.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Right. I know it's gonna sound gender leaning, but for
men that were do rags, here we go. You may
have waves, you might have braids. Nigga don't even have waves,
no more abandoned waves. I don't know whatpggas don't even
know how to at all. We are are the.

Speaker 5 (53:17):
Waves traded brushes for curl sponges. Niggas just said all that.
I'm just saying, like, I wear a do rag to
a point. If I know I'm going into a particular
building or a particular room, you.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Take it off, don't you.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I part take it off is on rags for podcast
tapings and functionally this is your work set.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
We ain't got no there, ain't no h here, ain't
no h here different here.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
I give Jason when he in the iHeart I'm not
wearing a dow rag in that building at all. I
will I park my car, take off the dow rag,
and I throw on my hat. It's just more so
to keep if I got braids and I keep, you know,
just keep it fresh until I'll get out.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Hold on, what's the logic. I don't you take them
off in the car?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Why why do you remove your do rag?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Because because you have is a projectionary expectation that I know.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
I don't want nobody looking at me crazy because I
know see we just again, I know, I know, I know,
I know that is a fine line. Why they have
to look crazy? I can't fight the years of misogyny
that they have in mind about us and how we
act and what that associated with. Listen, the rap ship
don't help either be a hip hop culture.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Hip hop I'm not blaming it, blaming it, but I
don't know that I'm not blaming it. I'm just I
know that that's for them.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
They frowned upon that ship. They frown upon hip hop culture, right,
So I can't fight that by myself. But I'm just
I'm just going to see another day. Listen, we can
take this out. The bondess though, come on to.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
That.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Don't need to wear bondess for black effects. Damn you
were for black effect.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
What I'm what I'm telling you is that is that
he if they look, if they look down upon you,
they already looked down upon the whole idea of black effect.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
If that's the case, because it's a bunch of nigga
ass podcasts talking some nigga shit. If they got a
problem with it, they accept it for money. I don't
think they don't.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
And well, I don't think it's the I don't think
it's the rep I don't think the brand thing.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I think it's an individual thing. To remember this.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
We still got to go out here and go on
these journeys and and and aspire and achieve these dreams
and goals that we have.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
So calling crackers crackers on the radio for twenty.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Years legitimate, serious question. Ah, that's not even jokes. But
what's the difference between you coming with a do rag
or you wearing ripped jeans into the office?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
That is not the same?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I see, okay, but I ain't wearing the rip jeans
below my ass cheeks.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Thuff, he not sacking.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Each of these items are cultural signifiers, right, and so
because we know, because that's why you ask, what if
Becky's wearing a bonnet, Becky's not gonna wear a bonnet,
because that's a cultural signal.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Wearing braids and.

Speaker 4 (56:20):
The dress code specifically.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Targeted bonets, do rags and to wear business suits and shoes.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, classrooms, that's all the problem. So this is the thing.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
This is supposed to be a developmental space. It's a
developmental space where you're learning about things, and it's supposed
to be an absence of being in the real world
because if you're gonna be in the real world after
high school, you could just jump into the working world, right,
So it's a developmental space that's supposed to be safe.
But also on top of that, further the idea of
the administration issuing this dress code to the kids with

(56:51):
no say then it's what's next, what becomes next? After that,
they're gonna keep on telling them, well, then y'all should
do this, y'all should do that, y'all should do that.
And it's not the real world. Yet there are suspended
from the real world. It's not the club, it's not
the job, it's not any of these things. And I
get it, like to Job's point, like this becomes the
latest thing we end up like arguing about development. But
the only people who care about this are the people

(57:11):
who are over forty five, who are like, yes, yes,
they should do that. I want to do that, but
that's not the space that you're in. Twenty two year olds,
eighteen year olds, let them be free, let them bearter sweatpants,
let them go and learn. It's part of the development
developmental track by their senior year.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
If they want to do that, cool, I agree, Jacob Cole.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
The kids who are not reading and don't know how.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
To write, but not only that yet they don't even
know how to write cursive. But but Jason, I want
to bring up the fact that.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
This is hbc how to write cursive. You're not getting
it in no fucking Tuskege unis facts.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
But I do want to bring up because you brought
up the real world versus Tuskegee University, which is an HBCU.
And for me, what this dress code then is doing,
and Joe, you might hate me here is preparing them
for the real And it's because it's because hold on,
it's because an HBCU is an amazing experience. But puts

(58:01):
you around your peers, puts you around people that look
like you. And I'll never forget it. Working at Goldman Sachs,
working at Ernst and Young, I was the only one,
mind you, even coming from Lehman, which was predominantly black
and Latino. And so for me creating this type of
dress code, what it's doing is making you get ready
for the real world, because you're not going to be
able to go to these types of companies and just

(58:23):
put on whatever you want because your HBCU allowed you to, Like,
so why get comfortable for four years going to your
classroom which you are supposed to treat.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
By the way you were in the nineties. I don't
know about you, but baby, my.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Generation treated school like a goddamn runway. I was in
school with fucking stiletto heels, like I was wearing all
the label well and when I say labels, baby fat,
apple bottom coogie, but you know what I mean, echo.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Why you know?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
And so for me seeing this and even seeing the
kids now when like my sister was in high school
in pajamas, I'm like, bro, we used to have a
goddamn like competition in school. We used to put that
ship on. I got a famous belt where you got
your famous belt from Like we was really doing the things.
And so I just don't understand why everyone is so

(59:16):
cool leaving their home looking like.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Bumps, because it doesn't really matter the porch that we
have a new space for you on the porch.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
You know what you're here today, we have you know.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I think of Frederick Douglass. I think of W. E. B.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
The boys think of I think of all of the
books that we've read and how they presented themselves right
and what that looked like.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Why why do we have to.

Speaker 5 (59:49):
I'm not saying we can't wear it. I'm just saying
there's a time and a place for that ship. Listen, man,
here's about the line. What's the difference between. There's no
distinction between. Here's about a hy n and the nigga.
Here's the thing, it's just niggas, all niggas, all across
the bat well. First of all, I'll say this, fundamentally,
we are different blacks and Biracials because like you separate

(01:00:10):
because and when I was in college, I was a
nigga wearing my hoodie and do rag on purpose, on
purpoct like on something like No, I'm not well, I'm
not taking this. I'm walking right in this philosophy one
oh one class, you gonna talk about Nietzsche, and I'm
gonna sit here and take notes about your lecture.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Like I'm just not I don't fuck with respectability in
no way, shape or foot. But now there's a time
and place for everything. Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
But the other problem is is that niggas aren't stupid,
like because the assumption is that, like, well, if you
don't do this in college, you won't know how to
do this in the real world.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
That's bullshit.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
College kids have dressed like college kids since college was
a thing, and when you get a real job, you
dressed like a real person. The problem is is that, hey,
this HBCU, like you already know, there's old heads who
are in the administration who are running his place, and
like people of a certain age are infected with respectability,
they think that that shit means something. They say that

(01:01:00):
shit has some tangible change on the way your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Goes based on how you dress it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
Everyone needs to be able to present themselves when it's
appropriate to present themselves for time and place, But niggas
are taking its time and place shit as if you're
just supposed to button up your whole life and be
some stiff ass like that's just not how it goes,
especially not somewhere that I'm paying to go. I'm not
disrespecting nobody, I'm not doing anything. But if I want

(01:01:26):
to wear bonnets or do rags or flip flops or
whatever the thing is, You're not going to ever sell
me that it has any tangible impact on people's ability
to get jobs or maintain their adulthood. How much how
much do you think religion and conservatism has to do
with this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Because I think it's because of where that school is at.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
Well, I don't know if it's just that school, but
I think, I think, I think HBCUs like how you
have had an episode you talked about more housemen and
how more housemen carry themselves and there's this pristige.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
And there's this upright, and I'm not mad at great.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
I'm not mad at anybody who does that. I'm not
mad at people who want to feel that way. And
that's fine, but that's not a regulation. Like because some
of your niggas who are holding yourselves up in cardigan
sweaters are bums too respectable negro, respectable negro, respect with
respectable images who still have babies out of wedlock and

(01:02:24):
have broken homes. I went to private I went to
private school, elementary and shit, and we had.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
A dress code. Mm hmm the school.

Speaker 5 (01:02:30):
That's the standard. So I'll say, look, yes, we should
be able to wear whatever you want to wear. However,
to ski he has that as their requirement, then I
think it's up to the student and parents to decide
if those requirements are worthy for them to adhere.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
To or not and move on to somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Well, we'll find out if the graduation rates skyrockets and
everyone gets six figure jobs because they put on a
fucking Brooks Brothers tie and go to psychology two oh one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Like the dining hall or the dining hall.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
And man, now we're all we're all gonna buy Maybacks
because I have one on Oxford College shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Like all right, man, y'all got it. Oh, I'm putting
down the cliff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Yeah, okay, Well, anyway, this is not a sports podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
But however, however, I'm going to the met gallay with
do rags and bonnets. Oh man, you listen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
Well, let's get into our sports topic.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Baby. So this is a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
This is a lot. So there's a The latest conversation
around Kaepernick has spun people into a frenzy after my
son told Memphis Bleak on his podcast that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
The former forty nine Ers quarterback disappeared from the movement.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
As y'all know, the movement he's talking about is the
kneeling you know, blam movement that took place towards the
end I guess of his career, essentially allegedly leaving those
help being the calls in the dark before re emerging
with the settlement from the NFL. So some have argued that,
if true, it may have influenced Ja ultimately inking a

(01:04:10):
deal with the league after previously supporting Kaepernick. Now, I
do want you to play the clip because my son
here basically is sharing how he was involved with Kaepernick,
what they were doing, and then how and why he
believes Kaepernick essentially ghosted him. So let's get into this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Clip, okay, And it's in exchange with Memphis Bleep Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I feel about the Kaepernick slam that that they give
Jay with dealing with the NFL.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Let me let me give you my perspective from the inside.
When the whole Kaepernick thing first started. My organization was
one of the first organizations to protest with Kaepernick. We
went to a NFL had a big protest outside the
NFL downtown and we were at the headquarters like we
spearheaded all of that. We just wanted emails with Kaepernick

(01:04:59):
like I was frontline. I had I'm with Capp t shirts.
Were trying to avoidcott this and that. I see Jay
come in. He got the Cabinick jersey. He keep front
and center with it. One day Kapernick stopped answering Nigga's
phone calls. We planned The next action were on an email.
They're like, your caper, Nigga's not answering nobody's emails. He

(01:05:20):
done left the group chats.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Damn. I'm telling you this for a fact. So I'm like,
what you mean he left it? Like we don't know
and this happened for week. So I'm like, what you
mean he left the group chat? How you feel it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:32):
He's like nah, They like he just went solid on us.
And then next thing you know, we've seen Kaepernick has
a settlement. He got a settlement. They say he signed
in DN. I'm like, yes, hell, looks he didn't. So
you saying that we did all of this shit, that
nigga sacrifice and beefing with other niggas and we're doing
all the shit and a nigga we sacrificed for just

(01:05:56):
disappeared from the movement and didn't even notify us to say,
you look each other settlement.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Because they owed him.

Speaker 6 (01:06:01):
It's money, but he owed us, the people that sacrifice
with him, the right and just to heads up to
say this is what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I did.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Nigga tell me I'm mine, and that shit hurt me
because I'm a cat and I still look.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
What he does to this day.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
Bro, I love he got the I know your rights,
and I'm not saying anything against what he sacrificed, even
he just paid for the young boys all time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
See all these things. I love what he.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Does, but I just don't like this narrative that niggas
did dirty by him when he literally left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
And so Jamel Hell did chime in and just wanted
to correct something that was stated, and he said that
jay Z started.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
She said this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Jay Z actually started meeting with the NFL a month
before Cap even settled his grievance. I don't know why
she had felt the need to say that, because I
like it takes a long time for settlements as well,
So I don't know if that took place in just
a month or whatever the case may be. But in
terms of this, curious to know y'all's thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Who who? By the way, uh not?

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
The the number on your hat, I didn't even know
it was Cat's number. Look at you standing with Cat standing.
I guess I can start. It was interesting because I
love ghosting people as well, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Something like when I date, Okay, yeah, I mean go
some people, y'all know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I'll sit here and just block somebody be like, Okay,
I'm tapped out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I'm done with them for me. They touch it? What
after they touch what this cool?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
I ain't ghost to nobody after them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Was it good? I don't know. I'm not gonna lie
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
This is tricky.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
This is tricky because my son says that they stood
with Cap and started this rally around him. So I'm
also curious as to if they had any sort of paperwork,
if they were just in support of the movement and
rallied on their own, because he even says, hey, I
made free Cap, you know, hashtag T shirts. We were

(01:08:15):
out here risky, but I'm saying, and it was happening fast, right,
And so when I see here and see people rallying
behind Cap, A lot of us did right. Cap didn't
just he didn't respond to any of us and tell
us what we got to settle me. He barely even
I don't even know if we got a notice on
his Instagram page. A lot of us were rallying behind him,

(01:08:36):
A lot of us were standing in unison of the
BLM movements. We were all out there protesting, right, and
I mean shit, we felt got by the BLM organizers
when they were sitting here buying fucking Lamborghinis and mansions
with the money we were giving them. So unfortunately, there's
a lot of us that stood behind people that at
the end of the day didn't feel like they owed
us any sort.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Of explanation of what they were doing. And so for me,
I mean, I mean, India's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Can be for quite some time right in this specific
NDA is about the settlement. This is about I don't
even when I say that because we haven't heard him like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Really, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
A non disclosure. We might not get the money, but
it could be a non disparagement.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
So it is not I guarantee that well doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
And I only say that because Kap has continued to
talk about the NFL. He just had a documentary very
much so and no nice terms did he talk about
the NF I mean, he called the NFL draft a
slave auction. But then he okay, so it's an Indian.

Speaker 5 (01:09:38):
But that was the problem with with Jay Freestyle is
that like it had a lot of ship in there.
That's just not accurate. But he's saying it slave auction.
But he's when did he feel like this? I mean,
he might have always felt like that. I mean, there's
no it's a Netflix doctor. I want to know, but
I mean, when do you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Come up with these starts as you're participating. I mean
there's no telling. I mean I feel like this. It's
not enough of a deterrent to make you not I
mean I think that this. I don't think that that was.

Speaker 5 (01:10:04):
He's the first NFL player to maybe feel weird about
the like they're poking media pride of me and wait
to hide the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I can see somebody feeling weird about that. I'm not
even sure they can. Yeah, but he makes millions.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
To be fair, like, let's let's not lean too heavy
into that, because some of us that have corporate jobs.
But Ill used to say that Ey was slaving me.
Like when you work a lot of hours for a
corporation and maybe you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Feel like appreciated or appreciate it, you could you can
use that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
You can use that slave term and not necessarily mean
it because slaves weren't getting paid. Let's be very cool, right,
let alone millions of dollars. Right, And so back to
my song. Though, to me, I'm curious as to what
actual agreement Cap had with his organization because unfortunately, if
and I say this about a lot of podcasters too,
if the paperwork wasn't paperworking, what did he really leave

(01:10:56):
And if you sit here and decide to start a
movement based on your belief system that you are aligned
with someone else and then they are going and y'all
are on the line together, what did he really leave out?

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
And I can get him feeling hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
And I do love that my son with the with
the most emotional intelligence could still say I love what
CAP is still doing today, but it hurt me that
he kind of left all of us hanging. I just
wonder what the paperwork was looking at because I don't
blame CAP if they didn't get their business right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You know, what was that business?

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Because also this is given nonprofit you you know what
I mean, like, what was the business?

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
I'm not even sire that there was any organization or
paperwork or business at all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
It was given group. That's that's that's literally what it was. Though.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
It was a community coming together behind a cause. And
usually a lot of those things are not business. It's
just it's community people talking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
I mean, BLM was a business.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
They got a whole back of you heard that all
the way they both thing and it's like there's more
variant to this ship. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know,
do you think Cap and I think, I mean, we

(01:12:13):
don't know. We don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
I mean, I would hope that Cap or his camp
have had conversations or there's some outreach to hold in
or my son at some point throughout the years for
them to just go silent.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
That's that's it, says a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
I would say to me and my advice to my
son because he is an activist. He is someone that
uses his platform well in terms of just talking about
different things that he wants to bring attention to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
If he decides to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Organize again, and there's a certain level of you know,
outreaching things that he just has learned from this, and
the next time you decide to get behind somebody with
a big platform like that or one bigger than yourself,
that if you align yourself, you make sure whatever you
want out of it you get. But it's written down
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
It's on pape. I'm pretty sure that he does that now.
I would hope.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
So yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't. I don't understand,
Like I understand if there was a lot of communication.
I don't know who all was in this group of people, right,
obviously himself and CAP. I don't know if Eric Reid
was part of it. I don't know if there were
other other celebrities. I don't know what other activists were involved.

(01:13:24):
I don't know what they were talking about. But I
feel like, again, if it's not a business, I don't
think that Kaepernick, if he decided to pull away, I
don't know that he owes it to anybody to explain why.
If y'all supporting what it was that he was doing,
then y'all can just keep supporting. If you made up
T shirts, then you can just keep making T shirts. Like,
I don't know what exact communication he wanted from them,

(01:13:46):
because you're like, did you want.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Cap to say, thanks guys for aligning with me. I
got my settlement from the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
I'm a step away. I got Oh. I want to
do my own thing.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
I have my own vision for what Know your Rights
camp looks like and these other things, and I'm not
really looking to do it group project.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
I don't know what those conversations were, so I'm not
gonna act like I do, but I just feel like,
if you're not saying we started a company together, if
you're not saying all you're saying is he stopped responding.
I mean, I can understand maybe not feeling great about that,
but like that doesn't really mean anything because people leave group.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Chats all the time, be like and Cap to be clear,
like Clap obviously.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Was the lightning rod for the movement, kneeling and having
all the attension, but like was Cap the leader?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Like I just need chat, Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
That people are gonna people y'all out here getting ghosted
by the people you're dating, You getting ghosted by friends,
you getting ghosted by parents and siblings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Sometimes you getting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Ghosted by corporations. Ryan Clark just got fired mid Josh.
Like you will go to a job, they will call
you in an office and say, hey, your box is downstairs.
We're letting you go, Like we're seeing this happen with
the mass layoffs happening. Unfortunately in every vein of life,
some people don't feel like they owe you an explanation,

(01:15:04):
And when they decide to part ways, they going part.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Ways exactly, which is exactly why it doesn't do you
any good to wear a suit the class.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Exactly, fuck y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
But anyway, anyway, anyway, anyway, before we get into our
last segment, celebrities say the darness things. I do want
to know y'all's thoughts. Lebron is retiring and playing in
his last year Philadelphia in Philadelphia, at the tender age
of forty two years old. He is joining of course, embiid.

(01:15:35):
He is joining Jalen Brown. He is joining, uh, the
team that went all the way to the Eastern Conference
finals against y'all's knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
So I'm curious to know. Uh, oh, well, y'all's knicks.
We got two people.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
No, no, no, no, the world champion champions, all right,
all rights ago?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
What are y'all thoughts of this?

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Do you think it hurts his his legacy? Do y'all
think that they actually win next year? Because clearly we
did talk.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
He wanted to win. He wants to win, sure, yeah,
he wants win on the way he wanted to win.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
And I think Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Is a great contender.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
It was between it was between well, it was between Philly,
Cleveland and Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
What are y'all thoughts? We can make it quick here, I.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Mean I'm I'm it's interesting because you said he's playing
his last season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
I don't know if he said that it's his last season.
He said a two year deal. Oh he did, so,
it's a two year deal.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
But I'm saying I don't know if he's made any
statement about like this is the end for me. Some
niggas are sticking their head though, like you might be
a real sick that wants to push this thing to
forty eight fifty. Well, he did say in summary that
that that you know, he's excited to join Philadelphia as the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Closing part of his career. Yeah, that's right, that's what
I'm saying. It was kind of open ended. But I
think this is this is it, and he's at four
rings right now. I think this Philly three three, so okay.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Wan Miami, and then that no one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
Counts chasing, which which I think is what had to happen.
It counts. Yeah, yeah, Rudy for that if you blame somebody, Jason,
you happy about this, like you excited about the next season.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
Yea hold, let me just clean my screen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
I've forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, that's crazy, you are right over.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
I'm happy about it. He's a great player. He's still good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
We need help.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
He brings the type of help we need. I also
think like the the You know, athletes rarely get to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
End their careers on their own terms. Usually it's they
get boxed out because of money or injury. And so
for him to still be able to do what he
wants to do and play where he wants to play,
whether it's ring chasing or not, you know, I admire
that he's able to still make his decision and get
ahead of it before or somebody decides it for him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I'll be honest. I don't know if it was sarcasm
or satire, but I know they asked d Rose a
question about his thoughts on Lebron, and de Ro's response
was basically, that ain't my life no more. So I
don't have a thought on it because he's not playing anymore.
But it's interesting because to be fair as someone, and

(01:18:22):
this was my seventh grade year of middle school when
a lot of these guys entered the league right right
around and I think it was a two three year span.
You did, you had the d Rose, the d Way,
the Carmelo Anthony, the Lebron James like that, that era
of basketball Lebron is the only one still actively playing.

(01:18:42):
Everyone else is on podcasts and well d Rose is
opening a Rose shop in Chicago. So it's interesting because
as amazing and incredible as it is, his body has
outstanded so many others because everyone else hasn't unfortunately had
to leave due to their body.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
I mean, they say he spends millions of dollars a
year in self care, and I believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
And I believe it too. I mean, the motherfucker looks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Like a fucking ni Lebron got better hips than me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
The way I be stretching. God damn. Yeah, I didn't
even do it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
You know, it's in great shape. So I mean, we'll
see how it plays out. I mean, I feel like
Philadelphia definitely is going to be one of the contenders.
But I mean, this whole thing just made the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I cannot wait. Very exciting. You still be in a
Hawks fan and like us, about to be sitting here
the eighth high the eighth best starting five in the NBA.
All right, why do you even know that? Because it's
the thing that we have the eighth best starting five?
Who knows that it's the thing that exists acknowledge, acknowledge.

(01:19:48):
There's paper. Things look good on paper, right, but they
have to play the game. You got to play the game.
And that's saw the first game in the season. The
NBA is up to the bullshit again. What's the first
Philly verse?

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
The Knicks wait regular season or preseason?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
No regular season? That's you know, they're probably gonna get
the Christmas game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
To listen, Nicks are definitely getting the Christmas game, probably
Knick Celtics.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Or Nick sixer. Nick's got the whole league in shambles.
Everybody moving around the weird ship.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
There you go again being Bobby Smurder five.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
Look, first of we're gonna get none. Now we got
out one, so shut up no, because.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
No one believes run it back zero people believe that.
I love it. I want to be the underdog. If
you believe seed one this year, we're gonna see now
if you believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
Only because I was just talking to my boyfriend about this,
I was like, and you ain't gonna play back. If
you believe it, I need you to put that that
big dollar amount at the beginning and name the winner,
because I know whoever did that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
For the next probably one stupid here. Oh yeah, Like
that's what you gotta do before the season starts with it.
You put, you put the next let's do it and
we're back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Celebrities say the darnest things. We are down one member
at the moment because a king is a corporate king
and had to take.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
We love.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Anyways, God bless them. So we're gonna wrap up this
last segment with the three of us and let's get
right into it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Took to.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
A podcast, y'all these athletes in the podcast and thinking,
you know he I think the podcast is called the
Journey Podcast. Anyways, he jumped on there and had some
thoughts about women traveling and how it's a red flag. Uh, Jason,
can you play the clip real quick?

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yeah, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Girl in Europe all summer. You see a girl in
the summer league, or you see a girl at all
these minisia.

Speaker 8 (01:21:57):
There's a lot of red flash girls that have highlights
and they should say Abiza, Yes, Mikinos, Italy, France, Miami, Vegas, La.

Speaker 9 (01:22:09):
If she got that in her highlights, you already know
what's going on. Yeah, And the thing is like those
type of girls if you're a normal dude. Like if
you're a normal guy who pulls a batty, who's one
of those girls with those priorities. If the right dude
comes around with a little bit more status than you,
a little bit more money than he's taking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Her, he's taking her. Okay, let me let me speak
to this just a little bit, because every place that
they listed I have been to, but not only have
I been to, so many of my friends have been to.
And the conversation that I had with so many, specifically

(01:22:45):
black women this past weekend was that that is in
fact what we as women at this point like to
spend our money on. Let me speak to this just
a little quickly, especially for you man of s fear Red,
He'll insecure as niggas on these podcasts microphones. Went to
Saint mark in Saint Martin this weekend. Also went to

(01:23:07):
Saint mart for a day where Nikki Beach. There was
seven day beds. Four out of the seven day beds,
you guessed it, were black women. Every time I went
to a restaurant, tables of three to eight groups of
black women. As I sat here and checked into my
Airbnb that had four villas, two and three stories high

(01:23:31):
three of the four rented out by black women, and
I decided to start having these conversations with them because
I was just like, dang, I'm not seeing any men
on any of the boats, of the day beds, of
the restaurants, of the clubs. I'm like, it's nothing but

(01:23:52):
black women. So we started to have conversations with the
women that looked like us, and guess what they were saying,
They don't even plan on meeting men in these islands
because guess where we know the men are dr Columbia,
Panama and places where they want forty to seventy dollars pussy.
Because men decide to travel for sex, women decide to

(01:24:14):
travel for experience. So this idea that women who get
passport stamps and like to highlight their travels are in
some essence red flags Coors, wres escorts, prostitutes or the
type of women who are gonna leave you for a

(01:24:34):
better man, is laughable. I would say in the last decade, women,
groups of friends, especially girls, we spend more money on
dinners and travels than men and fellas. If you decided
to actually have a hobby or want to experience life
outside of getting into some kucci. You and your friends

(01:24:57):
might have the highlight reels of different countries and different
cities as well. I hate this fucking narrative, and I
need y'all in twenty twenty six to retire, babe. We
don't need men to book flights anymore. We don't need
men to get on yachts anymore. We don't need men
to order bottles. We would like y'all to go to

(01:25:20):
therapy and show up as good qualified men for us,
because we have the money to put ourselves on those
planes and yachts and dinner tables. Now, police, give it
a rest. That's what I had to say. Sorry, sorry,
because I've been I've been seeing the same narrative of
women in travels for years now, and it's like, I'm

(01:25:44):
now on these islands, I'm in these countries, and I'm
just seeing us, none of them. And then when I'm
talking to us, no one's like we waiting all men
for anything. It's we saved up. It's my homegirl birthday.
It's a we got the airbnb bro. The whole plane
from Saint bart minus maybe four white people was us.

(01:26:07):
We are, we are saving up. We have well, good
paying jobs. We have Tuskegee University diplomas. We have careers
and diplomas and degrees that allow us to afford the
luxuries of life now, and y'all gotta stop thinking that
women is broke and not experiencing life unless a man

(01:26:28):
is giving it to them. Oh fucking brother.

Speaker 5 (01:26:32):
Well, I mean the thing with like Michael Porters Junior,
Like when niggas talk like this, they're always telling on themselves,
right cause it's like sure, because what people are gonna
say in the comments to this is like, so you're
trying to say that there's not gold diggers, and like
that's not that's not the point, Like sure, okay, fine, whatever,
But the point is that a you're generalizing any woman

(01:26:54):
that's traveled and posted about it. Essentially, if you traveled
with a other places and you posted about it, then
that means there's something going on and you're ready to
jump to the next man with more status. But like,
this is the kind of talk of like these type
niggas I called loofens loofens.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
This is the League of optuse fuck niggas. And like
in the League of optuse fuck niggas.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
They adhere to like a strict code they adhere to
a strict code of like this aspirational misogyny to where
they they envy the men who they think are the
better men. They envy the alpha male and the high

(01:27:36):
value man, and these are the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Things that they envy.

Speaker 5 (01:27:38):
They're trying to manifest a reality that will probably never
happen for them.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
But it's goofy coming from a man who's worth.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Millions worth, millions of dollars sitting on a podcast, talk
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Why because a woman going you think a woman gonna
leave you.

Speaker 5 (01:27:52):
And go to it's probably already happened. That's why he's
bitching and complaining like that. That's why that's why he's acting.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
One underneath all of it is it's like they just
don't want to do the work right, Like, Okay, suppose
you do go on trips, right and suppose an old,
trivial white man is taking you and he's really the
one who's taking the photos, right, like the worst case scenario, Right,
this is what guys think if that's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
One, so to fuck what?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
But also two, if you think the next dude is
going to come around and just take your girl like
you just think she has no agency to make a decision, right, Like,
you want to keep her without doing the work, And
so you say shit like that because you want to
program it in to be like, no, no, I want her,
but I don't want to have to do anything to
keep her, right correct, and so.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Like, because when he says it's a flag, it's like,
what's the flag? She travels?

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
She travels, and somebody who can offer a better opportunity.
A better opportunity might not be financial, They might be
taking care of her emotionally, right Like, it may be
some comfort that she provides her. So it's like for you,
my brother, when you're saying something like that, Michael Porter Jr. Instead,
why don't you just worry about the things that you
can do to keep her?

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Yeah? In two parts of that, can.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
I just say real quick, I love these emotional intelligent
men that I share a podcast with. Oh my god, y'all,
just what the fuck off?

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:29:09):
We got gotta add some balance to this fucking corrupt
for these these loofens. We gotta gotta push back against
these loof ins. But here's the thing about it, right
A to your point, like the women that travel for experience,
he's talking like that is because like he thinks that
all the women that he's been around are just doing

(01:29:32):
what he think. You're tricking on women. You're going to
these places to spend your money to trick off on
these women. So you think that's just what every woman
who's ever went out of the country is supposed to
be about, which is like it's stupid on its face
and just short sighted and a bunch of other shit.
But to Jason's point, let's say it is a shriveled
old white man who has some millions of dollars that's

(01:29:52):
taking this woman out to whatever whatever. You're supposed to
be that nigga, Right, you're supposed to be the high
value man, right, Why aren't you taking him from Why
are you taking her from him?

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
I also just think there's a conversation that needs to
be had. Y'all know the girls that is selling the
coach for these trips, and y'all know the women that
are just going because they like they love an experience.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
You know how you'll know that if you have a.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Conversation with them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
How about just literally get to know somebody, because again,
the way me and my friends travel, this is what
we do I've traveled the world, I studied abroad again.
I just took my homegirl for her forty it to
say Martin, that was my gift to her. Like we
and when I say we black women the way I
love talking to them in this last week, did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
You recognize you?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Some of them did, but some of them did you
know it was? And I realized how many people just
notice me by my voice.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
They're like, I heard that, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
So I say, I love you? And then now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Y'all got to stop telling me. I say, like Jadakiss,
you know what, I'm gonna have Jadakis come on the pot.
And then I can't wait till y'all hear how different
we sound.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
I want to hear you reading Jadakiss to see if
close our eyes and do like an.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Audible test, we're not gonna do. You know what, Maybe
y'all have us do that when we have that could
be fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
But to your point, though, just this week alone, I
said this to my homegirl, yesday, who's about to go
to Saint Martin. I know in my personal life six
women who either just came back from Saint going to
Saint Martin.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Martin y'all is the Black woman Island. I'm not found
out it was nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
But girl groups. Like so, if you're going to meet niggas,
switch to the island girls.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
Girl Martin is a girl's trip to not be like, yeah,
it's nothing but women.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
Multiple Like I said, at least six women that I
know personally, women with jobs, women who work hard, who
get their money and do their ship and all going.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
To Tuesday and Wednesday to Sunday. It was five day trip,
going to Anguilla for a day, doing the beach clubs,
getting on the sea planes like it was really like, so,
I just hate to see that. Now we do have
one last topic that I want y'all opinions on, and
I hate d that we don't have you miked up
for this because you know who this woman is, uh, y'all,

(01:32:13):
do not Jason including you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Basically Narras Smith. She is the soft spoken quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Tradwife I'll say because she has claimed to never be
a tradwife.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Nara Smith is a.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Stay at home mom at least that's what she like
showcases on herself on the internet, who makes everything from scratch.
And when I say everything, we have seen her make
Coca cola, gum, fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
Loops, gum gum, oh chewing gum, chewing gum, from scratch,
from scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
She does everything from scratch, and she says it in
this demure tone where it's very soft, very monotone. And
I'm making this because I don't want to feed my
kids anything that isn't all natural, and so that's how
she talks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Okay wow.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
A couple weeks ago she did announce that her two
year old was battling cancer damn, which was interesting because
most recently she sat on We Call Her Daddy podcast
to say how she does not understand or never.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
Was, a trad wife.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Now the Internet isn't an uproar about this because people
feel as though she has led a whole young community
of women down the path of this submissive, outdated gender
role lane of a tradwife.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
How does this woman she is twenty five with five kids.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
And she started this with probably three children at twenty one,
Like since twenty would you say, like she's like twenty
twenty twenty twenty one is when she made a boost.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
During COVID ok for doing these things. Now, before we beginning,
she is she she is also Mormon.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Her and her husband is a MAGA model now a
tried wife For those who don't know, it's short for
traditional wife, and it's a woman who embraces traditional gender
roles in her marriage and household, often choosing to focus
on homemaking while her partner is the primary breadwinner. Now,
she went on to car Daddy to say, well, I'm

(01:34:26):
a content creator, I'm a boss babe. I make millions,
so I work. My husband also helps with the dishes,
and made it seem like they share household roles. Now,
I do have someone and I do have a response,
because this is where I want to get into. This
is essentially the outrage for us to dissect, and I'm
curious to know y'all's thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Jason, can you play this clip? Here?

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
Here we go?

Speaker 7 (01:34:50):
Daddy interview is a sign of the consolidation of fascism.
Nara Smith went on all her Daddy and basically said
that she's no tradwife and she never has been one.
Fascism often as asks you to ignore the evidence that
you can see with your own eyes and ears and
instead draw conclusions based off of what people in power
are telling you to think andld a platform on the Internet,

(01:35:13):
getting on camera speaking in a soft little voice, making
million step recipes out of simple food that you could
just go to the grocery store and purchase with your
hair perfectly quaffed in beautiful, immaculate clothing to satisfy the
every whim of your husband and children without being associated
with traditional housewifery. We can ignore the fact that she

(01:35:35):
used the hashtag tradwife in many of her early videos.
We can accept what she says, which is her husband
does some of the cleaning at home, She cooks because
she likes to cook. She has a job, so does
her husband. They split the labor. We can accept all
of that as true, while also recognizing that what she
was selling was conservative propaganda, was traditional housewife propaganda. You

(01:35:57):
are not a twenty four year old with five children.
She has five children because her husband has a child
from a previous marriage, a twenty five year old with
five children who married into Mormon royalty, and she wants
us to believe that she is not a tridwife. Getting
on the Internet reading from the Book of Mormon, posting
the Book of Mormon, and she wants us to believe
that she is not a trad wife, or that she

(01:36:19):
never willingly associated herself with a label. It is a grift,
but that's not the point. A lot of people know
that it's a grift. But the thing that I find
more concerning is the amount of people who are willingly
wiping their minds and going, wait, she is right, she
never was a trad wife. That's not true, Becky. She's
lying to us allegedly. In my opinion, there's some sort

(01:36:41):
of market based motivation that is making her want to
shift away from conservatism and towards opening herself up to
groups of people like me who never tuned into what
she was making online because we didn't want to be
served conservative propaganda on a platter. I concede, Oh yeah, well,
you weren't technically a trad wife because it was character
you were putting on, or it was a satire you

(01:37:02):
were participating it. But how are we meant and then
coming to us completely outraged that we would even think
that two plus two equals four when you know it
equals five. That is a defensive strategy that is meant
to make us question our reality, question what we remember,
what we think, and what we know to be true.
And unfortunately podcasts I call her Daddy are the main
engines of this nineteen eighty four sque thought manipulation. This

(01:37:25):
is a woman with capital coming out of her ears,
making thirty eight million dollars a year to put on
this show, the eighth richest podcaster in America, and she's
saying that we lack critical thinking skills because we would
rather draw conclusions based on evidence than listen to lies
that we're being told and accept those.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
Thirty eight million is the eighth thirty eight million gets
you number A? Yeah? I meant the listen, yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I didn't. I guess I wasn't really putting it
in that kind like God, Nigga had a lot of
work to do. I told you the money here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Now I will say I got questions though, So okay,
let's start with questions. Then, do any of y'all have questions?

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
The first question I had that kind of answered in
that video because my first thing was going to be like, Okay,
she's doing I understand what her content is, Yes, but
was she actually I don't know how trad wife reworks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Do you have to call yourself a trad wife to
be a trad wife? But they said she.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
Used the hashtags, so clearly she associates hardcore with that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
You know what's crazy about hashtags? Though, it just helps
people that are looking for that type of context. Like
I could put conservative views as a hashtag under one
of our videos. It doesn't mean I have connservative views.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
It just means you're right, you want those people to
I ain't gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Hold you the uproar about this goddamn ship when we
and when I say we, people don't show their real
lives on the Internet a lot of times anyways. A
lot of people play characters. A lot of people lean
into certain content to monetize. Some people aren't interior decorators,

(01:39:17):
but guess what they show themselves doing projects and diy
stuff because they might have seen that. Oh I get
the most views when I post this. If you guys
watch the Manisphere of documentary on Netflix, there's a few
of them actually say, you know, I don't really believe
all the shit I say, but it gets the people
going like it stirs up the conversation and a lot

(01:39:39):
of people this is what my audience wants.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
It's a business model.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
There's a business model to what makes people money. What
people decide gets them views and what people choose to sell.
It's funny, Like, there's things that I've been seeing recently
of like people who have a lot of kids.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
And there's this one woman. She's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
She starts talking about how she got all these different
baby daddies, and it's a voiceover about, Yeah, I got
five kids, five different baby daddies. I'm pregnant again with
my six ones. They all don't look like da da da.
But it's it's literally just a voiceover that makes the
comment section.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
I rate you go to her page.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
She's married, she has the same baby daddy for all
five kids, but the voiceover gets the people going so like,
there's ways that people are triggering people down to get
a response because people are consuming content in a macrocosm way.
But also there's so many people finding a way to
monetize all these things. There's people who give recipes all

(01:40:40):
day long. Doesn't make them a chef, right, And so
for people to be so upset that now she wants
to identify herself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
As a girl boss.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Nara Smith is worth millions and made millions of content
based on making ingredients from scratch and putting on this character.
They clearly if you watch her and call her daddy,
the voice she uses isn't even her voice. Why are
we mad that someone decided and found a niche to
monetize off of. And listen, if people are looking up

(01:41:10):
tridwife and wanted to live a life like she was showcasing,
Let's be very clear. Tried wives often are in households
where they're controlled by their partner, have to give up
sex whenever the fuck the husband wants sex. They are
only taking care of the household. Their responsibility is chores
and cooking. And what we saw take place before women

(01:41:30):
actually had autonomy and rights. And if someone in twenty
twenty six wants to live that goddamn lifestyle and looked
at goddamn Narsmith and was like, ooh, I want this life, bitch,
that is they motherfucking prerogative.

Speaker 5 (01:41:45):
Well, I mean, so, I say this again, I don't
I understand what the concept of tradwife is, but I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
How the culture works of how people.

Speaker 5 (01:41:55):
Right, But there's an interesting, like, there's an interesting intersection
of things going on here, right, because I understand what
the woman in the reaction video was saying about, Well,
you're making this content you are pushing conservative propaganda, this
concept of how you're supposed to be as a wife,
like I said, submissive and the whole thing, and people,
I think socio politically have an issue with that kind

(01:42:17):
of pigeonholing. But to your point, if a woman wants
to live like that as her wife, as a wife,
and that's how she wants to carry on, I guess
carry on.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
Like, why don't we give a guy?

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
It reminds me of what Jason said earlier in the pod.
Right by the way, can we don't change the frame
and keep your ass on out? We'll see you in
the bonus episode and you can just sit over the that. Sorry,
we're gonna cut you out. Well, I'll see you back.
Your call was short this week. I'm sorry y'all talking Jason,
it reminds me of what you said earlier where people

(01:42:48):
in the green room will have a certain opinion and
then when they get on a mic, completely switch it
to lean into whatever grift they know is going to
get the people going.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
That's all I think this is, and I think that
we all need to have not only.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
The nuance, but the emotional intelligence to be able to
decipher people from their internet life and people from real life.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
You know, when I was listening to that video, she
could have been talking about Kandice Owen, right like, and
especially when when when the sister said, like, it's a
it's a market opportunity, right Like, it's a market opportunity
for for grifters.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
And and sure there's a lot of people who want.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
To enter the life of tread wife, but I imagine
there's more people that just love the idea about it.
And the people who love the idea are men, right like,
And so to me, it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Because let's be very clich and she was good looking
in the videos too, and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
That problem is what helped. There was a lot of men.

Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
It was calculated. It was all calculated towards a message.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
And that's what it's like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
I hate using these words when it's like it's it's
it was dangerous because like the messaging like it was weaponizing,
right and and you know, it's like we say this
all the time, like oh, it's weaponizing and this and that,
and people are like, oh, liberals and these.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Words or whatever, but but it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
It's like it's some cidious like quiet weaponizing and doing
it underneath the vessel of it being this one thing,
but it's really this other thing underneath of it, and
like I don't know. And again that's why it's the grift,
Like it's just one big, huge rift. She could have
been offered to Tatum. She could have been Candace Owens.
At the end of the day, all she stands for

(01:44:19):
is the opportunity. And then once you get the opportunity,
it's big enough and you can't sort of be removed,
then you rebrand. And that's Candace Owens when she started
talking about the Justin Baldoni and what's the other white
woman in.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Case I forget something farmer, there's another white white woman
that makes millions off of pushing this propaganda as well well,
And it's it's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:41):
I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
The thing I find interesting is that like I don't
I can't name you anybody. And earlier we talked about Tatum, right,
and I was saying that like, if you want to
blow up real fast on in the internet and wi fi,
if you're a black person who hates black pe people,
like you'll instantly gain the following from not just white

(01:45:03):
people who agree with you, but black people who also
are on that same type of time with you. But
I've never seen anybody successfully go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
The other way.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
And part of her critique was that now she you know,
there must be some reason she's trying to distance herself
from trad wife and move over to this other lane.
And I'm like, I don't know anybody who has gone
from that conservative thing and then realize like, oh now
I need to play the liberal role, right, Like we
talk about Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Taylor Green the liberal.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
I don't think it's liberal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Spotnership. Yeah, Like she'll just be like, but what I
guess I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:45:37):
What I'm saying, though, is like, what is she gaining
access to that you think she wouldn't have had access
to before by distancing from the trail, Because I feel like,
if it's a push household products, uh, mister clean and
Dawn and gain, they probably wouldn't have a problem with
her being.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
She would make her own.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
She would she would literally make her make her own
in her own laundry. She would make her own.

Speaker 5 (01:46:03):
So what do you think she's I guess our question
is what do you think she's trying to gain by
doing this separation from that?

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
I do think she's trying to find a cleaner way
to make money. Like I think if she's gonna do
the trad wife thing, it's trad wife is it's like
even for our side or their side, it's still the
dog whistle.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
Of like you really know, I'm talking about conservative value.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
And so I think it's like she could do trad
wife and try to be like a Fox News person
or Daily Wire person or like have to do like Patreon,
or I think she's like, let me scrub it up
a little bit, distance myself from that, and I'll just
be like Susie Homemaker instead, and I'll get a Target
Brands partnership.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Into just being I think she's airl boss like the
things that al allow her, like like the person said
in the video, to just relate to more women. And
I think she maybe feels like her niche right now.
Maybe she feels especially with us getting into midterms and
everyone knowing her man is Maggan, now maybe that's shrunk

(01:47:00):
in her reach and she just wants to distance herself
from a conservative lens, which which tradwifery does kind of pigeonhole.

Speaker 5 (01:47:07):
You in sure, I'm just being I guess taking like
the morality of it out of.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
The whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:47:14):
To me, just sounds like a losing business proposition. I
don't I don't I don't see how, I don't know
what you can cause. To the lady's point in the
in the video is making their critique, it's like, we're
not gonna we know who you are. We're not gonna
forget this because you come over here and start acting like, oh,
your husband does help. Oh because almost like so are
the people who are who don't fuck with the tradwife

(01:47:34):
fery supposed to be like, oh, she's come to her
senses now and flock to her, because it doesn't seem
like that's gonna be a thing that's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
It sounds like you're gonna.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Lose way more real trad wise than you are gonna
gain the women on the other side who are like, oh,
maybe she's awakened to this new real life.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Like people just.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Enjoy the content, y'all, it's fucking entertainment, Like, let's not
do we gotta break down. This is that selective outright,
like people being so upset that she doesn't want to
refer to her something.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
I ain't gonna hold you, y'all. Better not be mad.
I'm not a hoe, and I'm gonna be so mad.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
Y'all gotta stop calling me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
A whoror but I'm not a bore.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Oh my gosh, like it would be like that same
light bruh, Like, don't sit here and be outraged if
I sit on a pod and don't want to be
referred to as a whore just because I had horrible
decisions for a fucking eight years.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
For sure, But you don't see anything wrong at all
with her faking and selling the product like way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
That happens every goddamn day, And unfortunately or fortunately for her?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Is that honorable?

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Ane?

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
I'm like, let's be clear, you could be a try wife.
At least she was not here play Kate and a doctor.
She don't need a degree to be a trildwife. I
can go from being a stay at home mom to
a girl boss. That's actually an okay transition. Six years later,
she doesn't want to be referred to as a homemaker
because she realized, bitch, I pay a lot of these
bills with my content that I make. I'm actually not

(01:49:00):
just a housewife that my husband takes care of everything.
Because I input a lot of things. And maybe this
is her just saying y'all act like I just get
taken care of and I don't do nothing to the house.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
This is a business. But the problem is that you
made it that way. No, we did, the audience didn't
make it that way.

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
You like.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
It's the same thing with part of me. But it's
the same thing of why people have problem with j
cole in a battle thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Right, No, listen to me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
This is to me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
What I'm saying is that if you purport your if
you say I'm this, I'm gonna do that. This is
what I'm about.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
This is what I get busy with, and then you
somehow don't fulfill that promise or you decide to go
another way. Isn't that gonna look like you set that standard?
Not like as doing the trad wife thing. She made
people believe that. So when she goes the other way,
why wouldn't people look at her suspect? Why wouldn't that
be a thing to be looked down upon? I don't

(01:49:53):
I guess I don't understand what the how does need y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
To stop being so upset about everything? How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
Now, Jason, I'm gonna let you go and be a daddy.
Thank you for joining us this week, bay Ride. You know,
I know you got to wake up early. You don't
get to sleep in anymore. Nope, Monday through Friday. Who
that's a rough schedule. Boy, can't wait for us to
get up to New York.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
Thank y'all so very much. Can the people listen to
you this week? Are you on seeing in this week?

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
There is a possibility that I would be on CNN
Sunday morning, Victor black Well this morning weekend. I will
know it's Monday now, I'll probably know in a couple
of days.

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