Lesser of Two Evils feat. Antionette | Bonus Episode

In this bonus episode of Selective Ignorance, Mandii B is joined by Antoinette, co-host of Around the Way Curls and Can't Afford Therapy, for an honest and humorous conversation exploring friendship, politics, capitalism, relationships, and the difficult choices people make every day. The episode opens with the duo reflecting on their chemistry as self-proclaimed "opposites" before revisiting their memorable interview with Ne-Yo during the rollout of one of his albums, noting the irony that he later faced public cheating allegations after speaking about reconciliation and personal growth [ 00:00 ][ 01:02 ]. They discuss how timing and public perception can reshape conversations, while acknowledging how delivery often determines whether audiences embrace or reject an opinion [ 04:12 ].

From there, the conversation turns toward capitalism, billionaires, and economic inequality, with Mandii and Antoinette debating the role wealth plays in shaping society and public policy [ 06:43 ]. Their discussion naturally expands into politics and personal relationships as Antoinette explains why she couldn't maintain close friendships with MAGA supporters or many Republicans, sparking a broader conversation about ideological boundaries, political values, and whether friendships can survive deep philosophical differences [ 07:52 ]. They also examine the makeup of their personal circles by discussing friend-group diversity, intentionally auditing relationships, and Antoinette's perspective on not having close white friends [ 12:35 ]. The conversation continues into questions surrounding religion, music, and personal dealbreakers, exploring how shared values often shape long-term relationships and community [ 18:53 ].

The second half of the episode shifts into a lively "Lesser of Two Evils" game, where the hosts tackle a series of rapid-fire cultural, political, and everyday dilemmas [ 22:09 ]. They compare everything from Watergate versus January 6 [28:53 ], to navigating political disagreements within families [ 30:53 ], while weighing the ethics and practicality of boycotting Amazon versus Target [ 32:14 ]. The debate continues with conversations about Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), Bernie Sanders, and the evolving direction of American politics [34:55 ], before turning to Jasmine Crockett's political approach [ 36:32 ] and broader policy discussions comparing student loan forgiveness, universal childcare, healthcare access, and competing public priorities [ 38:26 ][ 39:50].

Closing out the episode, Mandii and Antoinette reflect on larger philosophical questions about systems versus individual responsibility, using pop culture—including references to Silo and The Odyssey—to illustrate how people navigate complex societal structures [ 44:05 ]. They also joke about the realities of living in New York City, balancing rent costs, transportation, and everyday quality-of-life tradeoffs [ 48:05 ], before revisiting the legacies of Reagan and Trump through the lens of modern political discourse [ 50:44 ]. The conversation concludes with thoughtful reflections on hope, duality, transactional relationships, and the value of maintaining meaningful friendships despite disagreement, while sharing stories from their weekend together [ 55:27 ]. The episode wraps with final laughs and a heartfelt goodbye [ 01:01:45 ], delivering another candid, thought-provoking bonus conversation that blends politics, culture, humor, and personal reflection.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Mandy B.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production of the Black Podcast
Network and Iart Radio. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, Welcome
on some the bonus episode Selective Ignorance. Baby and I
got you know, my my, what's what's the other side
of the magnet? You know how one magnet repel one?

(00:24):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
That's you. That's you, y'all antnet?

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Wait, you repel and I attract? Is that what you're saying?
I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
No, No, how did they come together? I don't know. Listen,
science science.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Clients, y'all have one and a half of Around the Way, Curls,
one third of Can't Afford Therapy Podcasts, and the unofficial
third member of the former See the thing.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Is real, antinet and see the thing is I are?

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Are I not?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Good? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
There we go?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Good term sad you you ever got over the Neo interview?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
We didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Hello everyone, It's good to see you. I'll hear you
all be be in the room. And Vandy uh Neo.
You know now you're living in his truth because he
was lying on that.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
He did lie.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
He did lie, and I was eating it up you were.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
You were like, oh my god, that's so sweet, y'all.
I don't know if we ever even talked about this,
but uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Internet interviewed Neo with me when he was on the
run of press front for his album where he had
allegedly got back with his wife and they were so
happy together and he was saying some good ship.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
It wasn't a week later. No, it was a lady foul.
It was like he been cheating. He's still cheat. He
ain't change, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And I know and I know the baby mom. So
I was like, Internet girl, you.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Know, but that's the thing, and that's why you get
the call. I feel like you called me to do that,
like the day before, Yeah, because you needed somebody up.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, it was out of town that week.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Okay, she was out of town and it came. It
was last minute, and so I'm like, all right, cool,
so I'm prepping. But you gave me no backstory like that.
You had the inside school. So I'm asking these dumb ass.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
They weren't dumb.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
They were around his album, which was about love. He
thinks about love. We love him the looking back. I
drank that kool aid. You would have asked him about
like the cheat and the infidelity or you yes?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
What? Yes? I would have been like, how do you
manage that? Like as a man, how are you reconciling that?
I would have asked all kinds of questions. You know,
do you have women that are your friends? If so,
how do you classify harm? Is that harmful? Cheating and lying?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
What would you want to say it with him today?
With his polygamis set up?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
No, I'm not that interested neo. But and if I
if and I'm not even trying to be smart, if
I had, like what I want to sit with him?
Would I sure? Do? I? Like think about it? No?
But like if I would have had the opportunity to
really have a conversation with a man who.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
He wouldn't have been honest on that one because he
was he was selling a dream.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
But imagine if he would have how how great that
conversation could have been if he was like, you know what,
I'm transitioning into a lifestyle that feels more truthful to me,
that feels better to me. A lot of people aren't
gonna like it, And we could have actually had a
really good conversation about why why did you feel they'll
need to lie. What are the what are the societal
norms that feel like pressure to you two men? And

(03:45):
we could have really I.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Think it took him a while to come out though,
like a.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Girl, like all right, let's go. Let's we're gonna ask.
See what I mean. I'm not getting in trouble on
this podcast. I swear to God, y'all you don't know.
Let me tell y'all it's Nette. Let me know.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
She has some thoughts that won't be shared on a microphone.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Who was that about?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
You?

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Remember?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
You can say the name, but I don't remember who.
What was it about? Oh?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, we're not going to get into it, but we
will start off with it's it's interesting because I don't
even think I knew the combo was going to go
this way. So we went to an escape room, not
really an escape room, kind of like a puzzle gamey

(04:32):
type of situation.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
And our team name was opposite Attract. And with that,
you did you did?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
What did I want to call us? Something corny? I
had the mic, double a batteries something. Oh I get it.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh you didn't get it?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Tracked It is so much better.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So I was sitting here thinking because clearly when y'all
listen to all of our takes on things, we are
in the opposite direction on quite a bit. On quite
a bit, you don't agree, you agree, but not agree.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't. I think that from the outside looking in,
we seem very different. But I do think that. I
think it's the delivery that makes it different. I understand
a lot of times what you're saying. There are things
that we fundamentally disagree on, but I just think that
your delivery you're playing, you play a character on this mic.

(05:26):
I love you, but I am a realize you are.
But you get in front of the mic and it's like,
it's like, I'm Mandy b now, but like in our friendship,
you're Mandy, and so we that's where I'm like in
the off mic, we're much more similar. Okay, Okay, you

(05:47):
might not agree with me, but we are, especially anyway,
I can't say certain things.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
No, you can't.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Mandy and her lover girl Era, don't do this.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
She we are very similar.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
She Okay, what they know, I'm my man, my man,
and my man just showed to death to you.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Are my man, my me and my man more than
I am. People would think it would be I ain't
bring him, God bless him, love him, but I might
have suspensed his name twice this whole trip. Yeah, my man,
my man, my man, my man? Is that I mean anyway?
Also with how you treat people, I like, I don't

(06:24):
think that you're I don't think that. I think sometimes
the correlation between what I'm saying and how you live
your life, I don't think you always make the correlation.
But how you live your life with your friends, with
how you treat people, with how you show up, it's
very much aligned. Is that a thing? I don't know
what it is, and it's the thing that I fuck with.
So I'm like, no, we're we're tight. We are far

(06:47):
far more similar.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now we do have differences and some things like yes, capitalism, y'all.
She treated Starbucks like the church today, like if she
was an atheist, she couldn't go into church the way
is bitch barely was she thought she was gonna burst
into flames walking through that Starbucks this morning? Though, Now
I do want to know, because yes, and this is

(07:11):
where the one thing too, y'all know that the idea
of canceling things, And we'll get into that later too,
the idea of like, you know, talking out against something
or boycotting something and letting other things slide.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
We differ. We different. You believe that all billionaires are evil.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
And we all got to call me evil to be
a billionaire and will.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's not what I said. Okay, you just don't structure.
The systemic structure that allows billionaires to exist is evil.
Them the human beings. I don't believe they are evil necessarily. Okay,
specific ones, yes, there are some. I mean, you're blasketing me.
He's something else. Now he's pasted a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Interestingly enough, me and Weezy just had a conversation on
our pod about like front breakups. You know, I've been
shopping news bushes off and one of them specifically, she said,
what are some telltale signs or things that you know
make you feel like you can't be friends with someone?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
And immediately one that has never been said.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
But maybe now that I'm older and now that I'm
really in the trenches of the shit, I was like
political views.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I realized how.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
I can't look past certain things politically now that maybe
in my twenties I wouldn't have given a fuck about
we maybe didn't talk much about it, right, but now
that was the first thing that I said. So I'm
curious to you. Yes, we have differences of views with capitalism,
but we align I think.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Politically in a lot of ways. Yes, socially we do,
maybe not physically with our thoughts and being.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I don't agree with that either. I think that we do.
You just don't correlate what I'm saying about capitalism. You
drive me crazy with this because you have a friend,
can I say that, yeah, Luiz who has cancer, who
is going through this system and trying to afford medical
care to be healthy. And you know in our conversation

(09:20):
that is bullshit. You see it as fundamentally wrong. You
just don't correlate that back to capitalism for some reason.
And that's where I'm failing to draw a through line
in my delivery. I'm sure, But like that's where I'm like,
we're not that different, because when you see that type
of injustice, you speak out on it. You still want yours,
you still want to live a great life, which I'm
sure everybody does. But there's my thing is there's enough

(09:43):
to go around, and health care is predicated off of
being a money maker instead of taking care of people,
which now I think that you hey, I.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Get that too.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I just and maybe I differentiate between capitalism and our democracy,
like I'm I lean more towards our politics here because
I even just saw like this chart breaking down the
tax rates across the world and all the different tax rates.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But in a lot of.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Those other countries, even though the tax rates are higher,
there's universal health care. And so for me, I do
think that there's greeding capitalism that exists within those structures,
but somehow universal health care exists. So to me, I
think it is just the way where you can take it.
I could take yeah, you know what I mean. So
to me, it's the evil people that's running this country

(10:32):
and how they've brainwashed us to believe this is the
best country in the world, and it's not, because I
think there's a lot of things even the way people.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Make money in other countries. You have your salaries, universal.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Health care, and me you also get six weeks of
paid vacation, like just.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So it's not just the evil people running the country,
right right, it's the structure in which these businesses are run.
It's it's a system. So it's not just government it's
all so these business owners that own these businesses. It
funnels into every facet. Capitalism affects every facet of our life.

(11:10):
This system. Yes, it affects dating, and that's so that's
a certain ways in which it affects us stand out
more to you. Yeah, that's all.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I'm curious though, with how much you talk about it
online all the things.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Would you be able to have a Republican or a magaphone?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
No? No, no, And that's a shame because I should.
I'm not proud of that. I feel like I need
to work to be better as being able to have
conversations like I have family that are maga.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Mean to them.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And I do. I do go back to.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
What is Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Like, well, they're not at Thanksgiving, but when I do
go to go travel to see them at other holidays,
they are very much like I don't want to talk
about it. Okay, politics is off, it's off the table,
and that's the privilegion and of itself. But I am
it depends on how I'm feeling, how exhausted i am.

(12:15):
I'm open to talking about I've been asked to talk
about it with them. They're unwilling, but sometimes I'm like,
fuck that I don't even like. There are times I'm
like I don't even want to be around these people,
And there are other times when I'm like, you know what,
I need to bridge this gap. It depends on how
exhausted I am. But a friend somebody who I didn't
get here and was already attached to it, to you,

(12:38):
I will have a really hard time. Yeah, I mean
I was. I was actually having a I was doing
an audit of my friend group. And I have a
diverse set of black and brown friends. I do not
have one white friend at all, really not one. And
I've really sat back and was like, wait a minut

(13:00):
in it. And I have.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
No other than like your core friend group.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Not my core friends. We all know. My core friends
are like four girls that I grew up with since
high school. How broad are you making I'm making it broad.
I don't have one white friend that i'd be like,
you want to get lunch?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh me, neither.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
No. I don't mean.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I have a lot of people that I work with,
people that I worked with that I like, right, but
I don't have white friends.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
But it's also a corporate setting, so you're not getting
all of them in my case, like you're not You're
getting just enough of their personality where you don't really
know who they are. With that said, I was evaluating that,
and I was I'm still unpacking it, but I'm trying
to figure out, like, is that because you're not in
those spaces? Is that because you don't feel safe thinking

(13:47):
about the Noah's of the world. What is it that
this making that the case because I have wonderful friends
who all have far more diverse friend groups. Is it
because I grew up and race was always a thing
in my household that makes me just be like, I'm
too tired. I want to deal with it. I don't

(14:07):
want to navigate racial tension or teach anybody anything. I
just want to be in a space where I feel
safe and cool and understood. I don't know, I have
to figure that out. Damn, you got me thinking, now
you have to.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And I wonder, like, if y'all are listening to doing
an audit of your friend group, how many of us
have a close.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
White person, person, close queer person close transfer right? But
I'm having those conversations with myself of like, wow, are
you you know you live in such a diverse city.
Are you taking advantage of all the types of people
that are there? Again, very diverse friend group of black men. Yeah,

(14:48):
you're right. I have very progressive people in New York
that are white, that are Jewish that I'm like, interesting
that you're never in those circles. I'm not about to
seek it out, but I just thought that it was
interesting that that's where I landed.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
I will say, and this is going to be very
ignorant of me, but you know, selective ignorance.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I could say it. I will say.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
The last I don't know. I guess all thirteen years.
Maybe not when I was in my twenties because I
wasn't really having too much of smart conversations, but the
way in my twenties, bit, ch'all just get fluid out
party and standing all tables, right.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
But I can think of going out in the friend
groups that I've made in New York.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Boy, are the conversations way different than running into people
in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
And it's been really like difficult.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
To difficult and excuse me, different in what way?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Different in they don't seem as well versed, they don't
seem as I don't know, I mean shit, our uber
driver yesterday. That's what Atlanta be given. Even when I'm
out of love.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I loved him them. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know. I was going to ask you it
was a woman, a woman, it wasn't a woman.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Well, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
But what a fabulous human being that person was, just
a star. I said, you need to put up for
sure and just go viral and go make your millions boo,
because you're brilliant.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's it's interesting because I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
New York is one of those places. And I wonder
if it's because so many of our peers don't have kids.
We we live a different life.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Like all my friends got kids in New York.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
The people that you're.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
All my friends got kids really in New York. One
of them doesn't.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Crystal, you Dustin like the people that I know that
when I go to New York. No the kids.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
J I'm not out with Dustin all the time. Crystal,
but Crystal has a dog that that's her child.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I'm just now that you're like, I'm a parent, you're
Jade has a child. My girlfriend Angie has a child.
Jay does have a kid.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Jane's probably the only one when he was up there.
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
My friends don't have kids up there. Yeah, I'm never
with Dustin. I love yeah, and I loved us.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
But that's enough to tell you and Brooklyn that's why.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
He never coming. But back to your original question, you
know you couldn't before. I don't think so. I just friends, no,
because friends is my safe space. I don't feel safe
with you if you favor policy that don't keep me safe.
I really where my people say. So.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I realized that in the last Yeah, I told you
about that person a heart at this point, and it
was that, like I thought that I could look past
some of those things, and when we did get into
our hurdle across other things, just so much just started
pouring in. Like wow, Like moral wise, character wise, I

(17:42):
have to really look at who you are, what you
stand on, and how you live your life.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
And I have a problem with another way in which
we are similar. I'm just gonna keep pointing out what
do you mean by that? Because you basically you have
a moral code that you can't look past anymore, and
you care about the way people are. People around you
are impacted or affected and you're like, hold up, if
you're making those decisions and that's your value system.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Because I'm fine to debate, I'm fine to hear someone
else out on their beliefs.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Y'all have seen it.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I've brought or a lot of people. You can learn
from what they're from what they're saying too. It can
inform like, oh, that's why you're not evil. You just
feel victimized as well. There's I was about to say,
but a lot of it if.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It just leans into ignorance and you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, but yeah, look, and I ain't gonna say the
name because I really say the name that I'm.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Not going to do that. But they started guessing. They
kind of know.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
It doesn't matter. Let us ask. You don't have to
be Beyonce. She says nothing, Beyonce maybon say nothing. That
pr ag went be.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Like, now, I'm curious, you said no.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I have two more questions than could you before we
get into our rapid fire. Okay, all right, could you
do you be with, be friends with or partners with
someone with different religious beliefs?

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Okay? What and then what about musical tastes?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah? Yeah, wait in terms of like you don't like
nineties early two thousand year or the light hard metal,
hard rock, don't want nobody, that's all they listen.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
They want, they want none of that black and black ship.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
But they black well rockets black metal.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Oh, here we go. That's what I said. I had a.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Metal maybe heart heavy metal. But there's arguments there too.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Not all music genres are black, all of them.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
I'm not saying they all of you did just say
that because that we claim jazz, we claim country jazz
is absent. We claim to say, oh my god, don't
make me fucking table up here, we claim jazzs Like
what what?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
What genre is not ours? Look at you?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean so much has been colonized.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
So white people never to you.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I guess probably heavy metal. But I don't even know.
I could be being ignorant because I don't know what
who knows? I don't know. But right now, a tree.
I didn't say it blues, country, jazz, R and B,
hip hop, house opera.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Maybe opera was black too.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know what I'm saying. Operas prop people.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Because they was doing it. I was doing the jousting
and ship right.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Like yeah, But the music that the black and brown
and indigenous folks were dealing with them. It's not even
like historically like we were captured or really even taught
or celebrated in any kind of way. So it's it's
as if it only classical music existed in that time period.
It's like, no, I'm sure it was playing other stuff.

(20:58):
It was a drum somewhere, y'all. No, No, if you
just hated it, no, if you just liked other ship.
I think about the boy, what's the knixt player who
just loves his country music. All he does is listen
to country.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
They just traded him to Boston anyway. This is not
a sports party, this is not but go ahead, but anyway,
who did they just he came in for cat? What's
his game? I'm looking at him. He wear the headband
and his hair is all anyway, like asshole. I do
know he sings or he loves country, even though country

(21:35):
is black, but he loves like white country, like current
white country.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
And he's a nigga.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, and he loves it. I could tolerate that as
long as he likes other stuff as well. If that's all,
And you're like, no, I don't want to hear anything
else that, Yeah, music is too much a part of
like my my DNA, me too. I can't do it all.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Right, We're about to have fun. This is a request
from the patrons, by.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
The way, Okay, guys, Shout out to Connie, Shout out
to Trey, Shout out to trev.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
We were all all try to be.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So they wanted to really get into kind of you
having to choose between the lesser of two evils, because
they wanted to see how much you really think about
the hypocrisy of decision making. We had to go through
every single day of our lives, and I need explanations
for some of these. We are going to start off light.
We're gonna start off with kind.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Of everyday things, but also.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
That leads into kind of what we were just talking
about with capitalism and the choices we have here, the democracy,
the system.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Every every choice, every point, everything. But we're going to
start off like every day thing.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
And I'm gonna add my little saying too. If I
disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Rapid fire, always have wet socks, or always have something
stuck in your teeth.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Always you can you can never drive.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Whatever that feeling is, it's always wet socks.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Oh fuck, no, I'm getting having something second, my teeth baby, Oh,
I don't give it could be kept the bay.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Maybe because I'm dealing with it, because I just got
my teeth shifted with the ambizzial line and there's a
little gap there every time I eat, and it drives
me crazy. What wack socks? Hot? Might need that, because.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Then it's a steam. I'm not gonna hold you. I
walk barefoot.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I might want to wet my socks on this hot
day studio or hot sand, then have to deal with
wet socks.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
I cannot do it.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Sorry, Well none other way that we're not the same,
We're opposite.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Tracked okay, no Wi Fi or no air conditioning, no
Wi Fi?

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, I don't give a fuck about you Internet.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I can't if it's hot, hot roges. I'm so proud
of myself. My phone just told me that my average
on my phone two hours and I watched podcasts on
my phone. So it's just that I don't be on
my phone anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Oh that's really gone.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
I'm done with this life. If I could get off
all of the IG stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
No, I'm not gonna lie I'm so jealous. I am
four times that you said you don't do this, don't
do this.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Mandy will be in full conversation with you, and then
all you hear is and then you're answering the question
she just asked you. And I've gotten to the point
where I say, are you gone? Did you zone out?

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Or you back?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Let me know when you're back. And she's like, oh, no, no, okay,
but I'm not gonna lie. And it's worked. I mean,
she's a tweet came in that, Oh this would be good, good, good,
saving the topic. She's saving it. Oh, I got an email. Oh,
they sent me a mood board. I'm like, girl, you
just asked me what do we want to eat? I'm
answering you, and you took three minutes to be like, huh,

(24:59):
get off the phone, be present. You need to do
a retreat where you don't have your phone.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Oh no, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Could you do it? Let me ask you a question.
Could you do it for like half a day, twelve hours? Oh?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I do it when I'm with my my niggah.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
The phone will be downstairs. We upstairs, babe, it ain't
by me.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm focused, all right, let's get into it now, one
month before we get into the tough ones.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Okay, always be thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Late or two hours early, two hours early, two hours
early for me too.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I can't. We was gonna get it. We are punctual.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
We are another way that we are very punctual.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Project management brains.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
All right, Now, this is where you might have to
think it through bad credit or no savings, especially in
this system, this structure, this economy that we're in right now, what.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Do you think this is forever and ever and ever?
You can never fix it.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It's just I mean, okay, here you go with the.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
That's a different thing. One is bad in the immediate
right because some ship come up. You need your savings.
But if you forever and ever ever have bad credit,
well you're gonna have a hard life.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Okay, So yeah, forever and bad credit or no savings?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Which one is worse? I would say which one is?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
In the long term? Bad credit is far worse.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh, okay in the long term.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
In the long term, yeah, it's gonna impede your ability
to do anything. You have, No, you have, but.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's only if you want to buy. No, it's only
if you want to go.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
And a guy. If you want, if you want to
borrow anything, if you want to qualify for a fucking apartment.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I mean it impedes so well. You're right, I forgot.
I forgot even to rent an apartment.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
You need that.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
You're whack. You're right, Mom, Donnie's trying to stop that though.
He's trying to stop landlords from being able to ask
you about your credit, either that or not asked for
all those deposits. Straight up. Oh, I was trying to
make it easier for people to get apartments. Shout out
to me or mom Donnie. Oh wow, my boyfriend in

(27:16):
my head, I don't know a part of me, y'all.
Here she goes and asked the question, A part of
me wants people to be on house because I was
not good. I don't know. Fuck if they don't have
good on them, pull yourselves out there, filt straps, bitch
as just like me. I hit the next question.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna say that. I'm not
even gonna say what I was gonna say now, because
you're just not sitting up street and you just laid
that sound terrible.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
You got a good posture.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Not really. The next one, I'll give you a pillowsis.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I got my water bottle.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Back here, I see you do, all right? Free r
Kelly or free built Cosmic? Which lesser of the two evils?
Free R Kelly or free Bill Cosby?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Free Bill? Because he'll die sooner, bro got a less
chance of him hurting somebody, and he old and blind,
and he from Philly. It pains me to talk like that.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Damn it'd be.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
I don't have any tolerance for for any of that behavior. Okay,
but if you're out of here sooner, all right, you
go here and you old, you could do less harm.
I think that if R. Kelly got out tomorrow, he
would have a hair on the women again.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh and the women would be lined up to actually
be with him too.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
And they're still and that's still that's an unpopular opinion,
but still victims in their own way. No, no, no, no,
of all kinds of systems. Yeah, but there there are
there are levels to accountability as well. I'm tired. I
see these questions.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I see you stressed. Oh no, now we're getting into
the good stuff, all right. January six or Watergate?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Which one is? Where or which do I want?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yes, you have to pick one exit.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
One happened, one, one happened, one happens. And why is
it the lesser of the two evils? Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
And why the lesser?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Hm?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I would say Watergate? Okay, probably not the right question.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
All on, I'm about to for the people that don't know,
explain Watergate for a fifth grader.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Explain Watergate for a fifth grader for the people.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Who don't know GT.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
The water scandal, the Watergate scandal was a massive political
corruption event in the nineteen seventy two election. Operatives working
for President Information Re Elections Campaign broke into the Democratic
headquarters out the Watergate complex to plant listening devices and
steel files.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think that's less harmful. WHOA And the reason why.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Why Watergate didn't even steal nothing? They just rated it
and went on social media.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
The reason why I think that's less I'm saying, I
come be well. January sixth emboldened people. Oh, January sixth
told people you can do this. You can kill a
police officer, you can scale the Capitol building, you can
have you can say that you want to lynch the
vice president. And not only are you not? Not only

(30:21):
am I going to pardon you. But when you get
out and you recommit crimes against children, against women, you're
selling drug all kinds of shit, we're not even gonna
talk about. We're gonna brush it under the rug. And
we are now having marches on our two hundred and
fiftieth anniversary of basically it's a KKK Nazi march, and
the White House says nothing. So there's an there's there's

(30:43):
an emboldening, whereas Watergate is like that's some internal political.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
It was shit, is like some scandal shit.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
But one could argue that for Watergate that then planted
the seeds of surveillance. And nobody likes Nixon unless you
like Nixon. But January sixth, I just feel like, like
I have family members that don't think that those people
were you did ask ye? Thermalization of that I think

(31:13):
is far more dangerous.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Okay, I'm glad that you don't talk politics.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Then with your family, But if I could, I would
smoke them. Oh I could, But I wouldn't even want
to smoke them. I would really want to understand them first,
because I had I actually had a conversation with one
of my uncles. It was quick one where he was
telling me about like some money stuff, and he was
explaining to me, you know, because now you know, they're
not helping his son with college or his daughter with

(31:41):
college one of them. They some loan is gone or
some grant or some shit. And he was like, you know,
but they had to get rid of it, you know,
so that we could what did he say, so something
about the election, so that Trump could stab ensure that
the election wasn't rigged or some And I was like,
you realized that, like, and I started running down the

(32:03):
policy and he was just like, wow, well I don't
know about all that, but like he just couldn't have
the conversation. I'm like that, guys, you have to watch
some other news besides Fox News. What are you doing?
But no, they've normalized January sixth. I think that's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Okay, you shopping at Amazon or Target?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Amazon? Because we have not collectively said that we were
boycotting Target.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
The power is in the collective and we can't boycott
everything all at once. I'm happy to have that conversation.
Oh we yeah, so but well we're boycotting Target, So
we boycotting Target. That's where reflexing our muscle. I'm never
giving up Amazon another.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm not even gonna hold you.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I'm not gonna lie that next day delivery bad, that's
not my delivery.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Sometimes if you ordered it during the week and you
order like twenty five dollars a more, and it'd.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Be like you could get it between four to eight,
one to four, like ford, I love it.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
I'm sure you do. They're running sweatshops for people to
be working all over the you know, around the clock
in order to be you know, it's crazy. Just let
me cook real fast. This is but this is where No,
and I'm not this is where and I'm not saying
we all need to boycott Amazon. I try. I still
have ordered and have needed to order from Amazon because

(33:23):
Amazon is such a conglomerate in monopoly now that you
can literally you have such a hard time finding stuff
other places, especially when you take Amazon, Walmart and Target
off the table. Yeah where am I getting this shit from? Yeah?
So it's it's difficult. But what I will say is
this is where the connectivity of Like, Okay, if you

(33:44):
had a friend that worked at one of those Amazon warehouses,
I'm just or anybody did. Sometimes you understand the evils
in the practices and the labor practices, because these people
are passing out from not having a break because they're
being pushed to the limit to get us this next
day delivery. Amazon is driving on all of our roads

(34:05):
constantly with their big ass trucks, not paying a diamond taxes,
but our taxes are going to fix these roads that
they driving on. So all of that kind of stuff
is what I'm talking about, And I'm just pointing out
systemically why there's issues and the connectivity doesn't always happen

(34:26):
because it's not one our legal not legal, our government
officials don't tell the story very well. But two, because
we don't know Joe and Sheila and Tyrone and this
working in the warehouse, this coming home exhausted or just
has a new hospital bill because they passed out in

(34:47):
a warehouse from the hours that they're working. So we
can have our shit in two hours instead of two days.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Life a'fair.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
I love same day delivery, all of that for nothing,
all that.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
It's okay, It's okay, Trump.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Or Reagan, oh shit, lesser of two evilsh God.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Can we come back to that one? You want to
come back? Yeah? Okay, they both puppets, but they're they're
the people behind them are so harmful.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
All right, So then let's see this other one.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
You can only keep one in politics, AOC or Bernie
Sanders AOC.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Okay, Now that leads me to the other question. Would
you rather an eighty year old.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
President or a thirty five year old president with no experience?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Depends on their policy? If it's mom Donnie, Ah, well.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You know you can't.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I know, but that's my But listen, I chose AOC
because she's younger and she'll be here longer.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Okay, look at you also on the duality, and it
shows Bill cous because he won't be here that much longer.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Because because he's harmful. I want the people who are
less harmful here longer. Dodo Bird, you are a good person,
and yeah, come kick it. Listen. I don't agree. I
think that AOC is getting pushedback right here. But people,
that's that's from people who just think that I don't
know that people understand. I don't fully understand it. I

(36:34):
don't think that we understand how politics is a chess game.
She and she do you do you.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Believe that her and Jasmine Crockett are who Jasmine Crockett.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah, Jasmine Crockett. I have the most unpopular opinion about
Jasmin and as hold on.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
As the next.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Yeah, Okay, Summerly is who we think jas mccrockett is.
Summerly is somebody really really about that life, really doing
amazing things in Pennsylvania. Jas Mincrockett is, You're not as

(37:14):
helpful I think as I would like her to be.
I think that jazz Mincrockett's if you look into how
she has voted and who has funded her campaign, she's
less progressive than you think. Do I believe that jas
Mincrockett should be fully protected as a black woman that
Trump was and Marjorie Taylor Green were attacking, absolutely verbally attacking,

(37:36):
putting at risk. Yes? Do I love jaz mccrockett's voting
record and who she associates with? No, she just she
just endris. I forget somebody just all got all kinds
of a pack money on them. What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, she's not as progressive as the video that I
have of her on my phone dancing to Young Miami
at essence fith.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And I don't believe me. I don't have no problem with.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
It bringing thatey, you don't like that song though.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
I don't like that. I don't. I don't think it's
a good song. I don't like the tune. It's boring.
It's generally it's a she's saying it's boring, like crazy,
that's a jingle. It's a jingle. It's a catchy jingle.
All right, it's a good song. It's like, yeah, the
structure of the song that when she talked about she
killed the rhyme scheme.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm gonna ask you one more before we go back
to trumpet reagor right student loan forgiveness or universal childcare.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Student loan forgiven, universal child care, that is.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Universal childcare, or universal health.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Care, universal healthcare. More people are just get that.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I actually agree with you on this.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I actually agree with you.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well, loan forgiveness would be nice, but also, Sally, bitch,
you ain't getting that shit.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Anyway, Like do you have a student loans?

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Do?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I real, bitch, they get the bare minimum and.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
No, wait I don't. Oh they so you are paying
the bare minim.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
I'm paying well, not even the bare minimal.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
I'm paying four hundred a month. I wonder how you
know it's crazy because they're garnishing wages. Now, well, no,
the only resident new Trump.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
The only reason why I'm paying it is because, oh, bitch,
Trump took away the deferment of student loan payments, and
then bitch immediately just started hitting my credit. Bitch dropped
my ship about one hundred and sixty points because I
just had all these like late or non payments. So
bitch I said, oh fuck, I gotta set this ship

(39:36):
up on a little pay just to raise my credit score.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
So I've been diligently working on that.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Because imagine if you couldn't do that and it's sending
you into oh yeah, no, bankruptcy.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I can't believe Trump is doing that, especially right now.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
These are the people, are the people that needed to month.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
We still need a deferment. I'm really upset.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
But do you see the correlation between student loans of capitalism.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, but he's also evil.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, he is an evil man, and he can take
it off of him and go back to the structure.
Student loans are that expensive because college is unaffordable because
it's for profit schemes. Loans are for profit schemes. They're
predatory things to keep people poor. Yeah, we see this,
and sure we can. It's easy to say, oh, Trump's evil,

(40:25):
but the policy and the system is the evilest.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
It's just weird because these policies, these systems.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Are are are in doctrine by people like that's that's
the reason. Like I come on here and say, like
I don't believe in science because hold on, hear me
out in religion and all.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Because I don't trust people.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I think people are the problem, like institutions so like
so like cults, they're often led by leaders, like by
human beings with illenton or whatever. They believe they're a god,
they believe whatever the fact, but it's a person running it.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
When we talk about dictatorships like the.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Nat Yahoo, when we talk about the Hitlers, when we
talk about the Fidel Castros, those are people that like
upheld these systems and created these systems. So to me, yes,
there's all, but it stems from people.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Right, Like, even people will die the systems living on
is what we need.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
But the people that are shitty will live on, which
is why we're also seeing I'm surprised that children, like
there was just a ring cam footage clip that I
saw of a little white boy maybe nine years old
walking to the next door neighbors with a whip, wanting
the little black girl to come out.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
He had a whip in his hand.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
So to me, even the fact that you brought up Noah,
Well's like the fact that racism is continuously being passed down.
I think that these thought processes, white supremacy, all of
these are learned behaviors. We're not all just born hating
black people or like not us.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
But to me, it's taught. These systems are taught things.
So it's all people that uphold it. So to me,
it's the.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
People that are the problem, which is why when we
talk about world peace and you believe we may get
there one day, I don't think we'll never see it
because people we won't see it.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I don't think it will ever happen.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
It's just will never because people suck.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It's kind of a chicken or the egg thing. Because
there is an argument to be had that these racist
viewpoints are and structures are all in place to serve
a higher master, which is the system. Back Remember, black
folks were enslaved folks here and in the Caribbean and

(42:51):
all over South America. For capital, it was free labor.
It was to serve the capitalist master, and so they
decided to create this system of racism and otherism in
order to identify a group of people that's always going

(43:14):
to be in their mind their subjects, right. And so
it's like a chicken or the egg. It's like Hitler
is an evil person. I think we all agree on that.
What I'm more interested Hitler's long gone. What I'm more
interested in is what has Hitler left here that is

(43:34):
still in place that we need to break down. What
are those systems that are still upholding and supporting the
next Hitler? How can we make space for there not
to be a next How can there be checks and balances?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
And that's what we talk about that all the time
on here, like how history repeats itself and the blueprint
is there. If there was a system of people that
wanted to dismantle it is there. We know what the
problem is, but there's too many people's people, my key point,
still wanting to uphold it for their own benefits. It
reminds me of like when we see like these End

(44:13):
of the World movies and I love you know, I'm
into sci fi. You have your groups where people are
still fighting out of a survival like thing. You have
a leader, you have someone. I'm watching a shout out
to Connie. I'm watching syop now, even which is on Yes, yes,
it's getting good. No, no, no it's not.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Uh, my boyfriend just used that word. Uh, silo, my boyfriend.
Now you know he was talking about how the jay
Z concert was a syop. I said, you love calling
things goddamn syop. But no, it's called silo and it's
on Apple.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Apple.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Plus. It's pretty much a system of people lying to
everyone else to keep order. And so when we talk
about capitalism, when we talk about a system of order
and order is always needed and this is just what
they think works.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
You know, we just watched The Odyssey. I'll get off
of this. Yeah, well, because we're gonna talk about we
just watched the Odyssey. But it's that the theme in
the Odyssey is like you live long enough where you
think you're the hero, but you're actually the villain. Like
all of those see people that everybody was so afraid
of was actually them them. It was actually So it's

(45:33):
like Odysseus comes back and he's explaineding like, no, I'm
actually I was actually the villain. This started all of
this the fall of quote unquote like civilization, And I
think about that when it comes to a lot of things,
it's like, as you climb that ladder, especially the socioeconomic ladder,

(45:59):
there is a villain, not you personally, you the human
because I think that we all felt like we all
felt like we liked Odysseus, we liked the character. He
was a good man at heart, but his actions I
don't think, well, I'll speak for myself. I don't think
he was bad. I think that he was trying to
do his best. But in being a leader, you have

(46:21):
to make really hard decisions. Yeah, and being the I
don't think he wasn't a king, you have to make
really hard decisions. And that's what I think about when
you're climbing up this socioeconomic ladder and you're within this
system and you start having to pay people away not
having to, but you start paying people a wage it

(46:43):
is not a true livable wage because of your profit margins,
because of your bored and what they're telling you, and
it's like it's that whole It's like, again, I'm off people,
they're asshole people. But I just I think that a
lot of people are acting the way that they're acting

(47:04):
and operating the way they're that they're operating because one,
they don't have imagination and a vision for anything else
because we're told it's not possible, right, Which is why
I think what Mom Donnie's doing is so important because
people are seeing showing there is possibility that we can
pay taxes and our tax dollars go to things that
benefit us. What But also like it's also like people

(47:30):
are making these decisions because this is the system in
which we're operating in. I'm still sometimes buying from Amazon,
even though I hate Jeff Besos, I hate Amazon, I
hate what they stand for, because what the fuck el,
how can I get this shit that I need?

Speaker 5 (47:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
You know what I mean? So I think I'm starting
to step away from having this moral compass and high
ground too when it comes to judging people, because we're
all doing shit. But for me, it's where I work.
I can't say it oill here. Yeah, I mean, it's
an ad agency, but my top client, I'll just say,
is a pharmacle. It's a pharmacutical agency.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
To me, it's the damned if you do, damn if
you don't.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Rhetoric, it's the you can't please everybody because even with
you bringing up Mondamin, you have the people who take
public transportation that are like yay, then like you and
you know he's but he's making harder on drivers and
implementing more rules for the drivers.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Then you have him cutting you don't give.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
It's no longer you can't drive down my blocks and.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
See see what I mean, So fu fuck those people.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
But then the same for what he's doing with the
runt freezes, right, and the difference is but but that's impacting,
like it's just talked about it. It's impacting, all right,
Can we talk.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
No rant freezes for rent control, apartment for the whole.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
But for the landlords on those things or like to
me at the end of the day, though, when you
even implement something, you're not pleasing everyone ever.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
No, but that again, I'm somebody that I drive in
New York. Yes, I now take the train far more
because it's easier. And I'm like, you know what, mom,
Donnie is right, all these fucking cars and all this pollution.
New York is fucking sinking. I get my ass on
the train. I have my car, so I get back
and forth to Philly to see my family honestly, and
run errands more easily. I don't need to be in

(49:22):
that car every day, but make it more easy for
us to park on the goddamn street because it's alternate
side park is kicking our ass. That's where I stand
on that. But like the rent free stuff, that is
so specific, and I think that people are thinking that
all of the rent in New York is frozen. That's
not the case. It is rent control departments. I used

(49:44):
to live in a rent controlled apartment. A lot of
times rent controlled apartments are not up kept. So all
of this money that everybody's talking about, you know, landlord's
gotta you know this, this breaks, this breaks, you gotta fix,
you gotta iss, you gotta that a lot of times
that that's not happening in those apartments. And so if
you were doing the upkeep that you were supposed to

(50:05):
be doing while you was price gouging the shit out
of these quote unquote, because a rent controlled apartment is
still twenty five thousand a month for a one bed
jem for a box, so let's be abundantly clear that
we're not talking about five six, seven hundred dollars. So
and then the cost of the wage. Look, our wages

(50:25):
have not gone up at all. So again, there is
a system. I feel for landlords, n ish who his
his if he does need to fix something, everything's more
expensive because of what your fucking tariffs, because of Trump.
So like again, a system is the system is the
fucking problem.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Goofy, Well, we're not getting out of that system.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
You can't get blood out of a stone. These people
don't have no money. And the Trump or Reagan, I
I would say, I would say Reagan, Okay, I think Reagan.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Do you think Trump is by far our worst president
that we've ever seen?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
No, No, I'm saying Trump that Reagan is worst.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
That's what I'm saying. Oh, Reagan is worst.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Yeah, Okay, Reagan might have been worse because he might
have started it all, not started it all. I'm pleased
presidents were always racist, but Reagan his policies were so
harmful to Okay, the black community and Trump's Trump's Trump's

(51:30):
policy I think builds off of I think what I
think is Project twenty. First of all, I don't think
Trump's coming up with policy, that's number one. I think
he's just doing shit, and I think the people around
him are coming up with the writers of Project twenty
twenty five are coming up with his policy. It was
already written for him. It wasn't similar to Reagan. He's
like the actor in the figurehead. But like I think that,

(51:52):
And again I'm not a historian. I could be wrong,
but my gut is telling me that without Ronald Reagan,
Trump doesn't have this vision and he can't executed it
as well. So I feel like Ronald Reagan really helped
in most recent times. Reagan Bush I don't want to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
But Reagan and Bush both and they both might have
been worse h had Twitter been around, Like had they
been able to be what Trump is Like there's a
there's a mix of that celebrity plus the leader of
the free world, right, yeah, and so like I think
Trump was narcissism and a little bit of you know,

(52:32):
like all the things yet all the way right there.
If Bush and Reagan had social media the same way
to engage and do all the things, I think.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
It, well, they had television in a different kind of way.
Like television was so I still remember the Say No
to Drugs campaign. I still remember that, and that worked
on me. That vilified anybody and everybody to touch the
drug that I had no real as a child, no

(53:06):
empathy for any crackhead that I saw. It was just
like I was disgusted. I was scared. They were dangerous,
they weren't huge. They dehumanized folks in a way that
was really effective. That that whole campaign was really effective.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
And I don't know if it was tied to any
political campaigns, but the commercials that stick with me, that
made me never do the thing were the nicotine cigarette
tobacco commercials where they were like we dug it through
the like when I tell you, I've never smoked a
cigarette in my life, a cigarette only when I go
to Europe. I don't really even have friends that smoke cigarettes.

(53:42):
Now everybody smoke weed. The we campaign, they they really
do the job correctly. Trying is hard listen, but the cigarettes.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I not millennials. I think we gave up cigarettes a
lot of us.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah, I don't Trump Trump is I think Trump's last
Trump in the Supreme Court, though we're gonna be feeling
that for decades. But Reagan said, I just think Reagan
set the tone, okay in modern history and a Bush

(54:16):
and Clinton.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Oh look at you doing the red and the blue.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
Yeah, but what yes, policy, I don't give a fuck
about party or people policy, which.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
A potic Clinton. Clinton made us go debt free, bitch,
that's what he said.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Everybody locked up? What are you talking about? Well, I
was only Clint ash.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
That was only sixth walk. He was an office Yeah,
baby boo. So I didn't really know much older.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
I'm not that much older than you. That's not that
I was nine. You can read a book. It's not
like that. It's not like I remember. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
No, But and then Bush was Yeah, Bush was president
through like most of what I knew growing up, which Bush,
George W.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Which the second his son.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I'm talking about George.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I don't know him.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
You don't know him the daddy. I don't really know
like that.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I just know him from because George W. Bush was
nine eleven.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Daddy and his wife was say no to drugs with
your eggs. See no, this is your brain on drugs
with the egg And oh I remember that.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay, I remember that. I remember that too.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
All right, Well, we were gonna get fun with some
lyric breakdowns, but maybe.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
We'll I would talk. I'm saying that I talked too long.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
No, you talk too long going and get the people
what they ask him.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Do you feel more similar to me? Now?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
No?

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Really no, I feel like I get so far with
you and then we then I check in and it
really deflates me.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I don't know like what it is. Maybe it's your delivery. No,
it could be I'm not reaching the people.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
No, you really feel that way?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, I don't think that you realize how much like
what it's deflating. Afterwards, after I try to explain something
and I feel like like, oh, yeah, she feels it,
and know you did?

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I get it?

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And then you'd be like, no, I mean get it.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm like, wait, didn't make no sense.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I get it because I've been really working hard deliver stuff.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
I get it. It makes sense. I am probably a
person that has no hope.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
That's just I know. It's a character. All right, done,
what's fine? What this is? This is a character, and
I'm gonna call it out.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Because I see it.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
You think I have hope for people, I don't look
at they betrayed me.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I'm sorry if I'm a pest.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
All your friends, no, some of them, some of them,
but some of their because there are people some of
your friends did what what else. What's the other fibility there?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
No, yes, but that's what I'm saying. There are always
two sides to a coin.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
Duality is, but you're only speaking about the one side. Well,
it gets tricky out here, That's what I'm saying. There
is a narrative that I used to have about myself,
but I had to have the people around me. My
narrative was I'm alone.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, I got it.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
I'm doing this by myself, and I had to I
had so many people who loved me. Who I loved
was like, bitch, no, you're not. We're right here, goofy.
And I was like, why is that my narrative? And
I started to think about all the ways in which
I'm only looking at that one side of the coin.
But there's so much more possibility. You have so many
people around but I.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Love my ecosystem, but when we talk about the grander
scale of society, you don't know all them. Oh, bitch,
I see enough, baby, I'm on the internet. How many
times a week I see what's happening in the world
is full.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Of terrible people. And I say something else, It might
be too because you're in a different socioeconomic bracket. Than
I am, and you might be around some people just
making some of them choices. This oh very compromising.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
You have to be very confused. You think I'll be
around the people making decisions.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I think I think that some not not that high up.
But I'm saying that I don't know how to say this.
I'm saying that you think some of the some of
the circles that you are in might be a little
more cutthroat than the circles that I'm in, based off

(58:26):
of your success, your socioeconomic bracket, and your business. Nah, okay,
that might not be it. I'm wrong, I'm on.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Do you see my circle?

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I just I'm a I'm a person of the people,
ain't I.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I'm sure you are.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I be with the people.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Do those people let you down? Or who's letting you down?
The regular regular? Yeah? Okay, yeah one even only I
think your people are more when you describe your people,
it's very different from my people.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
What I mean people different from my people. We both
got a white say it all, we both we both
don't have white people.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
It's not that I think that it's I think that
it's just a different approach to life. I think there
might have there might have been a time where you
were around a lot of I'm trying to get mine
and get mine fast kind of way folks. Yeah, and
that it can be a little bit more crabs in
a barrel esque where it's like, well, I gotta get mine,

(59:28):
so I ain't really even considering you. It's less community based.
I feel like, unless you have and unless you're in
those spaces of like, I don't know how she's trying
about this.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
She's trying to say that my friends are horse No.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
She was like, no, that is exactly what you say.
No friends, just women. And they were like that, like, no,
you got a nigga with money. That's my nigga with money.
But that's our nigga's.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
So the men, there's.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Also the men with money and the women that money.
That you told me I heard you. It's all very transactional, correct,
And now in this world of like being a media
figure and being in this space, there are a lot
that's the way I'm looking for. It's a lot of
transactional relationships that I'm sure are can let you down

(01:00:18):
quite a bit. And whereas when you are just getting
up the fuck and going to work and trying to
help your friend, raise a fucking kid. It's transactional in
a community kind of based way of like all right,
I got you, you got me, and you operate like that,
which is why I think you get let down because
you're not transactional with folks. And I think that's what

(01:00:42):
I'm trying to say. You don't operate like that, and
so when people do that to you, that's where you
get hurt because you're like, wait, where is the reciprocity
we suppose we're commuted, Like y'all my friends were supposed
to look out for each other. Every time I hear
you talk and you are disappointed, it is because someone
has been transactional with you, whether it's with your time,

(01:01:03):
with your energy, with your money, with your access, think
about that. Yeah, it's people taking advantage of you and
seeing you as an opportunity instead of a human. So
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
You ready, that's the system, bitch, And you see how
it to even affects us in a cosm.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Of of a say the words mich cosm of the
antithesis of the I can't Next week, I'll be trying
to use words.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I don't have no words. I'm saying I was looking
for transactional for like an hour. I'm like, what the
fuck is that word, bitch, And then she was like,
my friend's horse, I got dirvou. It's like, no, that's
not what I say.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
That's what she would say.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
The model in my back is ghetto.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Anyways, guys, think y'all, hope you enjoyed this bonus episode.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
See, I'm gonna try to get into incident my one day.
But until then, baby, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Would just be like, uh huh, I hear you, but
it's never gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
And thank you for sharwing me. Such a wonderful weekend.
I had so much. I'm exhausted. I had so much
fun because.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I'm so type a, y'all, I had an itinerary.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Baby, I think you woke up exhausted too. Let me
get for her space. I'm tired, I said, because you
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
You was like, I'm tired.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I think I made a noise or something, and you
grunt asleep like I'm ready for this, bitch. No? Did
I yes?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
No, maybe I was getting fucked to my sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
All right, okay, all right, see my man, my man,
my man, it is on the brain, Honey.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You love, I do not sounds getting my man in
my dream nowhere listen, are y'all again? Full video on
the Patrion, Join us on the discord. Let me know
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Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I think I did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I'm the patron from the Problematic Classmates.

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