Selective Ignorance: Ep. 70 | Court Of Public Opinion Strikes Again - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

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Make sure y'all get that. Now let's get to this
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don't be selectively ignorant with that welcome to another episode
of Selective Ignorance. I'm your host, Mandy B and boy
do we have a lot on the docket to day.
We are starting off with some ignorant takes from our
boy job. We are correcting our IVF mix up. I
am talking about ignorance around the World Cup. And then
we are doing a brief update on or recap on

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the b ET Awards that took place on Sunday night.
This is not a sports podcast, but we are talking
about Terry and Arnold, the case that has sent the
Detroit Lions cornerback to jail. Do we blame his friends?
Do we blame his poor decision making? What is to blame?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And this is America. We are talking the Chase exec
who lost her job for emptying a Nick's trash can
Should people be able to lose their jobs over things
that they do outside of work hours? Our thoughts? Then
the Big Tigger domestic abuse case. Now we do want
to add a trigger warning here because we are of
course talking about domestic violence. However, the Internet does not

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appear to be viewing Big Tigger's wife as a victim.
And is it because she has a passed herself? Are
you able to be a victim when there are charges
and lack of evidence against you and things that you've
done in your past. Then in celebrities say the darnest things, y'all,
Oprah winfy Oprah, oprah Winfree baby. Recall the story about

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Whitney Houston falling off of her stage and this has
sent the Internet into a storm, pretty much discussing whether
or not you should be able to speak ill of
the dead. Then the last conversation, Lizzo is complaining about
lack of support from label amid her abysmal record sales. Now,

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is this a story about where the music industry currently
is or are we just seeing the end of the
bossie body positivity movement. Maybe we're getting into a lot today.
Please buckle up, and if you are easily offended, bitch,
you've come to the right spot. Welcome to another episode

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of Selective Ignorance again. I'm your host BDV, joined by
my super producess. Y'all, we got journalism Jason joining us,
not from Jersey but at the Hot ninety seventh studios
up in the NYC.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
What's such Jason? How are you say headquarters? But this
is a side room. I couldn't be in the main headquarters.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
This time for y'all.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I'm not gonna lie. It's giving cider a bed, give
it close, trying.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
To isolate yourself.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
From the madness.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It's busycause it's because the holidays are coming up and
like you know, mix sure weekends, so all the DJs
are in and out of the DJ bootes, so I
can't I can't really get up in there.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Oh that is right, Like the actual do.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
You have family plans for the Fourth of July this weekend?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm gonna go to the beach. I'm gonna go
to the beach.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Do Puerto Rican things at the beach, get my bad Bunny,
playing my nutcrackers, all.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
That it's given. You're going to Orchard.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Then, yeah, rockaway we do.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Oh okay, okay, okay, Well, I just know the Puerto
Rican's bad take over Orchard Beach.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Bad, Okay that they do that they do.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I have never seen all on. Orchard Beach is the
place where I saw the biggest Puerto Rican flags in
my life. It's like the size of a whole building.
I didn't even know they made flags that big until
I went to Orchard Beach.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Is it near where Puerto Ricans live, Like is it just.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's crazy like New York beaches and New Jersey beaches
or so like the New Jersey beaches, they checked your ship,
so you can't have drinks right and you have to pay,
oh civilized saying your hair like not in the broken
Serena Carpenter right right to the beach in New York,
it's like crackers. Everybody has their drinks, everybody's playing music,
gigantic flags, like two different temperature checks.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, and you can get in the water in Jersey
in New York not so like you want to come
out with six tos.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna say I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
You ever heard of the legend that is lit Marina.
I've heard a lot of Marina. Yes, I've heard people
talk about what your beach is lit Marina without the
lot Marina.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I heard the Breaka back this summer.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah, I think they're doing it fourth of July weekend.
They're doing it for like one it's like one day.
It's like a one day off party joint.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
But they did in the interim they had another party
called k Right the same people which are the same people,
right right? Got it? Got it?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You just want to sit here and let people know,
you know a little espanyo talk.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
About maybe a little you know, I might have some
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
See it in the bun you have.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Just like gentrified Now it's like all nice. It's called
like something on the Hudson.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yes, I got to go to New York.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Being New York.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Good start, y'all.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We got the o g pot legend. A king to
my right? You ready, I think I am, y'all a king?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Have you doing?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Old people ship? A king? A king hit me on
the Sunday tip and was like trying to join me
at the farmer's market. He was like, yo, they take
the skin off of the pineapple for you. We was
in there doing old people ship, getting flats in the

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fish section like it was like it was real cute,
real cute, real old.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
She might give me the backstory because I talk about,
you know, my excursions to the farmer's market.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Right, you won't tell me when you so I was like, yeah,
I'm gonna pull up what upright, let's go. But and
I did.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
It was cool, by the way, I say the same
thing to Yomi. Yomi goes to another farmer's market that
I've never been to, and y'all know I'm Asian. Go
to your life is heard over there.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
In New York to.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
First off, y'all know I am multi racial. And then
y'all know we got the king of headlines in the building,
Jason Jolly.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Pod blessing all the app niggas, What up, what up?
What up? What up? What up?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I'm really excited to hear your ignorant take because you
hit that in the group chat like I got.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
With affirmation, because because we got conviction.

Speaker 6 (07:46):
I don't know, because I saw something that I've had
patients with for long enough at the end of last week,
and now my patience is yeah, my patience is upright,
So now we're going to be different about it.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Just okay, Well, before we get to your ignorance. By
the way, y'all, if things get a little rowdy, all
of us except for Jason, how to shout out tequila, Okay,
And it's because these Nicholas was late.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
That's that's why tequila.

Speaker 6 (08:17):
You see how the niggas twisted narratives, That's why we're
having this OQUI.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Before we get to our ignorant takes John. I do
want to make a correction. There was a lot of
people in the comments about misinformation that was discussed on
last week's pod we talked about the IVA mix up
between the two couples in Orlando. We do want it
to be made clear that before they did the genetic
testing of the baby, they first just saw visual signs

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that the baby was not Caucasian, and so there were
headlines that did say that the baby was black or
non white. So there were headlines unfortunately that did, you know,
get us to believe that the baby was black. Of course,
after genetic testing, the baby was one hundred percent South Asian.

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Beyond that, there were other people who were missing, I
mean saying that the other parents did not want the baby.
That is also not true.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
The yeah where that came from.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
The Asian couple that were actual biological parents to the
embryo did say they would have liked to raise the child,
but because of legal things, there's just not enough laws
that protect you know, IVF mixed up like this.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
The baby was Asian, was Asian South Asia, So here
we go.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
So the issue was that the baby wasn't black, So
what if the baby was Asiatic?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
What the fuck is the Asiatic Asian?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Right? Original? Man, here we go.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You take out one or the if you take out
one a tiger like.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Then yeah they're boomed. You have yeah, right, I.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Mean or to be fair, I mean being in Asia,
yes they are very fair skin. But you have like
if you go to like I mean clearly like India, Malayia.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah right, we speaking closest to the equator. It's hot
down there, and and you're gonna be here, you're gonna
be dark.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, Well they're brown according to the ign.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Niggas all over. That's what we were talking about. This
niggas in this whole world. You could go to Indonesia,
you see niggas and not niggas. That's like, oh they
went there, that grew out the soil here.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
There, Oh I grew out the soil.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Now, so I would say that was an Asiatic baby.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
But when I just looking at the picture the baby,
I didn't zoom in on the picture.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
I didn't see like the baby's hair nothing. I just
saw a black baby. I see a baby that's type dark.
I'm thinking of baby's black.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
It could have been a black Dominican baby. It could
have been a black Puerto Rican baby. I don't know,
but it was a little black baby.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Well, everybody in the comments was like, baby, no black,
and they was upset that we were having the conversation
about this baby being.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
The two articles that I read initially about that story
said nothing about South Asia at all. Well, that's so
when we report from the sources that we have access to, right,
So there was no error there. It's just that in
the floor information and it happens. It's still developing, so
that's we're able to say, hey, you know what course
correction kind of and.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Here we are.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I just want to start to start being fake outraged.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Us.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Where's the white come from in Tiger Woods?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
You know that?

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Where's dad?

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Where's the white in the cobblin Asian? Because his mom
is Asian? His dad is black?

Speaker 4 (11:39):
What is the white?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Wait? They say that because he.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Says he's Comblinadian, Asian and Asian.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Right, yeah, I'm not sure, but maybe maybe one of
his parents, maybe one of them is a.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
Part white identify that's what the white is. The mom
is the mom I was grand his grandmother. White baby,
I don't know. I don't. That's a good question. I
thought about that. You just said that. I was just like,
get in white.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, yeah, and white kids.

Speaker 6 (12:12):
The white liquor that he drinking that keeps from swerving
off the road, is okay?

Speaker 5 (12:18):
That they got so dark drinking.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Man, you want from me? All right?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, y'all, let's get to your ignorant take.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Let's get right to it, all right.

Speaker 6 (12:31):
So I've long said that one of society's ills is
that we have practiced unprotected patriarchy for a long time.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Protected for a long time, but to that point, we
all are.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Open to catching STD socially transmitted diseases because of this patriarch.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
You did that, nigga, so we trademarked it right after
the show. So I don't even sorry. I told you
don't do that. Don't make money.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
But we've been we've been raw dogging, We've been fucking
women over in terrible ways, all right, And so we
none of us are immune to misogyny. That's men and women,
and it's something that we've all had had to unlearn.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
We try to practice. I try to respect people. You know.
I grew up in the middle.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
Class household with two parents with a pH d father
and a would alone degree.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know, so I was taught to respect people.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
But but I saw something this weekend that made me
question whether or not my working on my misogyny and
other patriarchal things we've learned through society is worth it.
So if Jay Rock, could you please, could you please
drop my drop my music real quick?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Yeah, let's think it's real quick.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
We have our own problems. Tps for both countries extended
multiple times. And look, this has been going on for
over a dozen years. Go home, get out. We know
our countries better than yours. That's because we filled it
with our work, ethic and our culture and our values.
You being here only dilutes it for us, those who

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built it and live it. And half of you people,
more than half you won't assimilate. We don't want you,
We don't care if you're offended. Get out, go home,
Go back to fucking Haiti.

Speaker 6 (14:25):
Now what you just heard was Megan Kelly going on
a rant celebrating the Supreme Court decision to give Trump
to allow Trump to revoke the temporary protect the status
of Haitian immigrants in America. Roughly three hundred and fifty
thousand is the number that they put out there of
Haitian immigrants who are in this country who are under

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temporary protected status. And I'm not gonna lie. After I
watched that clip, I called Megan Kelly all kind of bitches,
crack of bitches and puss ass bitches and funky ass bitches,
and too Short has to give me the favorite now
because it is no longer his how many bitches I
call Megan Kelly? And what I realize is that, yeah,

(15:07):
dog face bitches, sunken face bitches, all kind of bitches.
And what I realized is that I think that my
misogyny stops with white women. I think that's all I
have for these wretched white holes now is misogynist. I
don't have no talking, I don't have no empathy, I
don't have no coom bay y'all for these bitches, for

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these bitches like the audacity of this lady. Now, I've
watched Megan Kelly do a lot of foul shit. I've
watched her attack my good sister Jamel Hill. I've watched
her split the hairs on pedophilia about whether a five
year old or fifteen year old is really pedophilia, and
what the difference is in that I watched her say

(15:50):
wild shit about Trayvon Martin. I watched her say wild
shit about all kinds of people. And I'm not Haitian,
but I have good Haitian.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
People in my life.

Speaker 6 (15:59):
Absolutely, shout out to tadd Saint Louis, a good mutual
friend of ours. Absolutely shout out the skyya Florid style, HBCU,
shout out to the Podfathers.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Shout out so that.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
One of the reasons that all of us is sitting
up here is because of a good Haitian man named
Reggieosa combat Jack. Combat Jack is a Haitian man, proud
Haitian man, who brought a lot of opportunity to a
lot of us.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
If you go back to the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
The Haitians that arrived here in the States in Virginia
after the Haitian Revolution, after they fought for their freedom,
were also instrumental in helping black people establish Freemason lodgis
so that we can help communicate with each other without
under guise of yeah being away from the appearing eyes

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of white people, to help us get off some of
our revolutionaries ship.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
So Haitian people are important to black people. Haitian people
are important to America. So I don't know what the
fuck this bitch is talking about. But I'm done with
all of that.

Speaker 4 (16:58):
I'm done with all of that.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
I think about all the regged white bitches that we've
seen over the past. We've seen maternal instinct that this
wretched bitch. We've seen the wretched bitch that shot the
woman through the door in Florida, calling the little kids
niggers and all that kind of shit.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
So we're done with that. We're done with all of that.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
So there's not gonna be you know, we're always gonna
speak highly of black women, even if we have to critique,
you know, we.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Don't have to be ugly about it.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
But I don't have any more patience for these wretched
white holes.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I'm not gonna lie. And that's why when people like
try to tie in the label of a feminist with me, bro,
I don't agree with all women and their stances.

Speaker 8 (17:40):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
And when it comes to the intersectionality of feminism, a
lot of the times we separate ourselves. When I say
we black women separate ourselves from white women all the
time because it doesn't align. And to see this it's disgusting.
I love also that that was your rant, because I
actually want to piggyback on of your rants. Have had it,

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speaking of Haiti, have at it, speaking of Haiti. So
I had the opportunity to go to my first World
Cup game.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Did I was jealous of that too.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Listens like it was a good ass time. But it
was a good ass time, and we started a bet
that we didn't get to complete because it was like
a game that didn't match most football games. So hear
me out. So I attend the Haiti versus Morocco match

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where within like the first I don't know, ten to
fifteen minutes, Haiti scores two points. Mind you, for anyone
who is unfamiliar with this, Haiti has not scored in
the World Match in over fifty years. Yes, so this
is a massive thing, mind you. Haiti is also already
disqualified from advancing by the time we get to this match,

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so they could have scored one hundred Morocco still would
have advanced. Right. So I post in my Morocco jerseyness
and all the things on social media, and this is
where I was met with a lot of the ignorance
of the American people. First off, so many of my

(19:18):
followers were upset at me for rooting for Morocco and
not Haiti because of blackness. Let me dig into that, well,
let me dig into that further. So, as I'm reading
these comments, I'm like, what the fuck? And of course,
because I attend to match, I hashtag it, my algorithm,

(19:39):
of course is telling me all about the history of
all the things. Right, So Haiti is flooded on my
feed in my algorithm, and so is Morocco. And so
I would like to let you guys know, for those
of you who are unaware, because this is what I'm hearing.
So let's talk about how Americans act when you tell
them Moroccans are African. You say I'm a Moroccan or

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you say you're rooting for Morocco, and they're like, but
you don't look African. And basically what I saw is
that the consensus is that Moroccans are Middle Eastern. They
are not. Yes, they speak African, but they are literally
on the continents of Africa. Correct, And so as I'm
sitting here, they don't speak Arabic, yes, and so, but

(20:24):
regardless of the language, if you look at the oh no,
my bad I'm at Arabic. But if you look at
and sorry, y'all, I was corrected because I don't know
if y'all heard on me. They speak Arabic. However, if
you look at all of the African countries, all of
the countries on the continents of Africa, all of them
speak different languages. Correct, So like, there's no one language

(20:47):
that ties you to being African either. And African is
also just this word that is literally an entire continent
made up of so many different countries. And so anyways,
I just say all of that to say for all
of you ignorant as non geographical ass motherfuckers in my
comments acting is though I'm rooting for a colonizer of

(21:10):
some sort. Morocco is literally on the continent of Africa,
and so me rooting for any team Haiti Morocco. Baby,
I'm rooting for everyone black. Mind you, my sister her
daddy got deported back to Haiti, so I wasn't gonna
be mad if Haiti won either. I was just enjoying
my first match, and sorry, I couldn't split the jersey

(21:31):
in house.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Man, he can't have fun, man, he's a Nick fan.
Nowall fan, now go football and then she and then
she wear the Okay see jersey last week.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I was in Oklaho.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
She is, she's sports fluid.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Baby, I'm Drake. No, No, you know how Drake me
and him got the biracial thing going. I'm gonna just
root for everybody when I got people on the team,
whatever city I'm in. You know, you know he might
be rooting for the Rockets because he like Houston. He
liked it. I don't know, you ready, when we go,
depending on the team they play, to the Hawks games.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I'll be rooting for the Hawks. Now.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Actually you're lying right now said we have video of
you're rooting for the hot Well was because there's video?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Why and why did I do that? I'm always thinking
about the Knicks.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
That's all gay position.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
The rabbit hole goes.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, but Jason, I mean I love that your your
rant tied into mine because like.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
What's more impact there? Though? What do you mean with
his ship? But no, no, no, that was crazy. She's
I mean I want to.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Say too if I'm not mistaken, and maybe we can
talk about this next week outside of the Supreme Court
passing this and the way that they're talking about kicking
people out of the country during the World Cup match.
It's also been interested because we are allegedly right now
accepting refugees from South Africa. The Afrikaans Oh my god,

(23:19):
hold on, which made me upset because I watched this
cooking show on Netflix and the way that she made
sure to pronounce Afrikaan like that to distinguish herself away
from being Afrikaan. It's really interesting now seeing also white
people at oblivious to the type of people that are

(23:41):
in South Africa because they're allowing them in. So I'll
probably play this next week or on a bonus. But
there was a back and forth where this white lady
was like, see, we're not racist, We're letting Africans into
the country. So we're letting South South Africa.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Yeah, I saw you saw it.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
This whole week is because they're There's another I think
his name is Brian Emmer, Bruce Emery. He's some kind
of he's a state rep in Minnesota. He had another
rank this weekend about Haitians and not same thing, some
of the same talking points that making Kelly, Hey, they
don't assimilate, they don't want to come here, they want
to like nobody has to assimilate. That's not part of
the the immigration process. You don't have to come here

(24:21):
in Hile America. You don't have to come here and
learn a national anthem. All you gotta do is come
here and pay taxes. Yep, there's no other requirements. There's
no requirement to love this country. There's no requirement to
kiss the ass of the forefathers or none of that shit.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
All you gotta do is obey the law and pay
your taxes.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
So all the other shit they try to kick about, Basically,
they're saying, why won't you be more white if you
come here? Why want you adopt this white culture? If
you come to America from somewhere and guess what we.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
See in today working for the Cubans in Florida, babes
just sending you back to your country. All of these
like especially the the white passing Latinos, they're seeing how
much that axtimity whiteness. They don't say fag.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Bad, But do you think that they're leaning into the history,
the complex history between Haiti and Americas as.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
A release of the revolution.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
It could they hold because I always have the mindset
that white people, you know, they understand history, even when
it's not in their favor, and they hold on to
that ship one hundred percent, right, And they'll hold on
and hold on and they'll do things today as as
a you pertains to being petty to something that happened
one hundred years ago. I still hold on because they
were in the unfavorable position back well, we.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Talked about what's what's my man's name? What's the white
man we're talking about? We talked about a few episodes
ago that was part of project twenty twenty five studied
African History.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
And the founder. Yeah, I don't know why I'm blanking
to do his name right now, but.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Like twenty five he's a project founder, Yeah, PhD studies
and African study.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
African Studies.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah, I don't know why I'm playing on his white
man's name. We talked on a couple of weeks ago.
But like to your point, though, yeah, they remember all
of that ship.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
So like, are y'all is trump pressing the gas on
Haitians because they remember how influential Haitians were in the
revolution of Black people?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Do they not want us to be clicked up?

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Do they not want us to to build that momentum
and have that energy and that camaraderie amongst each other.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Like what is it about Haiti that's pressing them so bad?

Speaker 6 (26:18):
There's a lot of countries that have way more immigrants
that come here than people from Haiti. Like it's not
even in the top ten of countries who of people
who come to America. So what are y'alls pressed about
these people?

Speaker 4 (26:30):
For? What threat do they pose to you?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
And wants to come out? They're smart. Unprotected Patriotism is
actually a.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Really good phrase, right because they're they're they're literally using
like white passing Cubans and certain people for their vote,
and then the next day they're like, yo, get out
of here, right, And it's it's so funny because it's
like they're the ones who are also writing the history books.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
So it's like the thing that they're like hedging to
your race. They're using the threat.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Of that to scare people off with it, right, Like
even with the Megan Kelly thing, Like she's the same
person who said Santa Claus is white, Like you probably
saw that Clippers white.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Yeah, Fighting School is just white.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Right, like and with the certainty that she said it
was right. But it's because they're also like they're there
it's like the care and the stick, but they're doing
it with history and your vote and playing in our
face with it.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
So that's why it's very important for you know, us
collectively to mash the gas the same way and teach
the babies.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Man.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
And when I say babies, were all babies in the
sense because we have elders, right, But as a community,
we need to continue to uplift and educate and just
have a collective conscious about these people don't stop.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah right, they don't.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
And these people weren't here eighty years ago, but they're
here because they didn't. They didn't stop studying either, and
they always study you. You you, they always study us, right,
And that's why we have a the book we just
ref whatever that the blueprint that we just reference in
the The guy who founded it studied African American.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Of course, say you hear how she was talking.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
She was like, oh, this country is like this because
of us, because of what we built.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
She wasn't she's wrong, but she wasn't here. You didn't
build it.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
But she speaking from a lens that they took and built. Yep,
they took and built it. Wasn't like you just decrepit
land they took and then they built it in their
vision how they wanted to be right.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
But she thinks she gets to lay claim to that.
Of course she does.

Speaker 6 (28:30):
She thinks that that's part of her. She thinks that
she is one of the great.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
American And the thing about the thing about being American,
if you say, but no American, and I say, and
I say that in it says to say, when you
say something enough, you start to believe it. And the
way that we were taught that this is the best
country in the world and to see that literally the
only thing these foreigners are coming over here liking is rich.

(28:56):
Dressing is fucking embarrassing, Like Crafton made tsa size goddamn
branch to let people take it away. But to me
seeing even the World Cup players talk about having to
travel over borders to come and practice and play these games,
talking about like this country as as as kind of
vile like like why are we here? Why was this

(29:18):
not figured out before we got here? And so to me, again,
I think that her saying that a lot of white
people saying that makes them believe it to be true,
because that's what we As long as we keep saying it,
we're gonna make it true. And what we unfortunately have
right now is an administration who's literally willing to rewrite
history and stop education on certain things. So it is

(29:41):
our responsibility for having these conversations on podcasts, for teaching
the youth, for going beyond what they're telling us in
these books, and you.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Know, discussion, debate with those who are willing to participate. Hellouse,
that's also key too.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
And be open to being wrong.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
It's like, I don't think they want to be wrong.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Bro, be open to being wrong. We none of us
know everything.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
It means too much of them to for it to
be open to be wrong. It means too much of them.
It's not even, it's not even. They're not arguing facts.
They're arguing like their existence. It's an existential threat to
them for us to be saying any of the ship
that we're saying right now.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
So it's like, and that's so to them.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
It's like, you'll never get that kind of good faith
out of them because that's not what we're arguing two
different things.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
We're arguing too different things.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I get that well, Jason lead us into this is
not a sports podcast, but.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
It's over trying to clean your timeline, y'all won't go nowhere.
What's in the w n B the world right now over.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
They would fake be enamored by the World Cup because
they don't want to see the nickson.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
The timeline you won't get over. It's like COVID, all right.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
And then so I'm gonna tee this up. A quick
note for y'all.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I'm not gonna blame like the lateness is probably more
my fault, but my computer probably is not going to
make it past like this segment every thirty minutes in,
so my shit dies out.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
That's what happened. I'm blaming mirror. So this is not a.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Sports podcast, but there's some interesting sports activities that are
happening tangentially.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So right, So, several people have been arrested.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
In connection with an alleged arm robbery and kidnapping in Tampa,
and the case has been publicly linked to the Detroit
Lions cornerback Terian Arnold. He plays football, but this is
kind of like a basketball two men that was happening here.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (31:41):
According to court records, the incident happened in February of
twenty twenty six at an apartment in Tampa Palms, and
so police are alleging that three men were lord into
an apartment by a Jasmine Rendazzo and Ariana del Val
and investigators say that when one of the men went
into the bathroom, he opened the closet and he was
come funded by two goons who detectives identified Lindel Hudson

(32:04):
and Christian Williams, who allegedly then pistol.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Whipped the victims a good two men.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
That's like old it's like old school stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Were watching exactly it.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
So detectives ultimately believe that the case connects back to
some reported thefts from a short term run on home
that Arnold the football player was renting. So he ended
up using either he asked his man's in numb to
do the get back or they wanted to protect their
homeboy and do the get back. So obviously now it's
become front page news. And we have this clip here.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
This is his phone call. This is his his phone
call to the police. By the way, he reported stolen
items in the amount of about three hundred thousand dollars
jewelry and such. So play that.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Here we go again.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
This is a football player, Jesus Christ and this is
a question.

Speaker 9 (32:59):
Because then anything else for you, that's it? Okay, Uh,
your bible, Okay, I got your bible. Was it was
it like a personalized bible like expensive or is that stuff?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
An brother?

Speaker 5 (33:18):
And of that le security when you get like he
wasn't with me because I've been hurt, So yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Be going my boys kind of sound. So this is
more so one of those.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Things whereby it was bound to have been and whoever
did it, they had inside and my inside information.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
What was it like one hundred K in a bag?
So he's guilty.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
You well, you hear what he's talking about it, okay,
So no, here's the thing hear me out. So the
people in which that they kidnapped and pistol with allegedly
all had alibis and did not steal this person's did
not steal Terran's property. So what it's looking like is

(34:08):
that it wasn't inside job, which he also alluded to
in the call. People are suspecting his friends actually set
him up, and his friends also convinced him, Hey, you
can't let nobody play in your face.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
So now we're trying to we're gonna get it back
on both.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Sides and yes, and so if you guys see he
did just go to court, and this is something that
I learned. He approached the stand in a green vest
and jumpsuit. A green vest means that you are on
suicide watch. So he is currently looking at potentially life
in jail over this because I believe it's seven or

(34:50):
eight felony counts of kidnapping and of forced with a
weapon and all these things. Now, how he got tied
into it, unfortunately, is through text messages. There are text
messages where he's telling them what to do and how
to do it. So he wasn't actually presenting this, but

(35:10):
he's part of the conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
He was the inside man with the inside information. It
sounds like right, and he sounded guilty.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
He was talking.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
It was like the phrasing there's an inside man with
inside information.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's like you're talking too much.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah. Also, what's unfortunate about this is he does appear
to come from a really good home. He's from Tallahassee, Florida.
He went on a podcast I saw, and uh, you know,
he was kind of sounding like, you know, will you
come from where I'm from? You know, there's only a
few options. You either got to be a rapper or
a baller or end up dead. And the guys interviewing

(35:47):
him are like, what school did you go to? He well,
I mean I went to a Catholic school. But and so,
like you could tell he's also just unfortunately one of
those black men that feel the need to be harder. Unfortunately,
this guy's.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
You don't think about like good like people like.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
It sounds like, let's say you come from a rough upbringing,
but you excel in something enough, did you have the
opportunity to go to like the school?

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
And there he goes. That's it.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
You know, this is happening way too often. I think
of an incident with DeAndre Baker former New York Giants.
It's like, you gotta be mindful of the people around
you when you elevate and get to a certain status.
I don't know if they I mean, obviously it's I

(36:42):
would imagine it's difficult to have that type of discernment
at twenty one, twenty two years old, unless something happens
and then you forced to be to have discernment. But
I don't know where the solution starts other than you
got to have good people around you, because it's no
way that he's an NFL football player. He's elevated his status,
you know as far as like money.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Right, yeah, fourteen million?

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Why do you have time to be doing all this
ship and constructing this plan to do what over.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Two hundred and three and everything, which is a lot
of money, But.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
It's just gonna end there, Like you control the narrative.
You don't this phones stop another thing they be playing
with these phones? Yeah, we text. None of this shit
is safe, nothing goes anywhere, nothing has ever deleted, nothing
is everything. Oh you said you was over here, Well
let's go paying the fucking on that.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Now. Let me ask you, I think if you can
look it up, I think he's twenty Can you look
up his age real quick?

Speaker 4 (37:43):
And three?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
He's twenty three years old. He's he's on his rookie
contracts still but making like fourteen million dollars, making a
lot of money. At what? At what point? At what age?
And is there an age that when you reach a
certain life level of success is you should start removing
people that may or may not be good.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
And sometimes you know, you don't know, you don't know
because another thing too, he making fourteen million dollars, he
probably feels like he got power do whatever the fuck
he wants, because no one's in his circle to tell him, Yo, chill,
you don't need to do that. Let's go focus on
off season. Let's get get in shape, you know what
I mean, do some shit for the community. Let's get
these kids doing a little summer league.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Right. Where's that energy? Why are we doing that type
of what? Okay, but now he's potentially going to be
a different life.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
No, yeah, a life of life.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
You work so hard.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
You're talking about as eight year old, You're doing the
pee wee league, You're doing.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
All the things.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Do you know the percentage of people students who make
it from high school to college one? Right, it's very
slim to play college ball to get us and that's
on D one, D two, D three, even the fucking
junior college shit to get to the D the D three, Right,
and then you actually get drafted, right, you make it
and signed to a team and you make a significant

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amount of money.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
That means he's not a rotational player, he's a starter.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
What story did we just talk about where someone like
they didn't take disrespect or like that. We teach that
you shouldn't disrespect people, and you got to because this
is also it leans what was it the Carmelo Anthony case?
There we go, thank you and this is what this
kind of reminds me of. Right, it's a twenty three

(39:28):
year old who feels like he got got and had
to get his look back because how dare you come
to my house still for me and disrespect me? And
instead of going through which he did call the cops
to file the report. But whether it was his friends
or his pride, he felt that he had to take
justice into his own hands. And unfortunately, to me, this
is the same outcome. Unfortunately that we're seeing is a

(39:52):
lot different.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
That was a circumstantial situation. There was a lot of
things happened.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
How is this not circumstantial because he felt.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
He's on text message orchestrating. It could have been something
that stopped that. The Carmelo thing was things events have
happened in real time, and the story is still development
because we find out that it wasn't how I was
presented to us when he was convicted.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
That still you kidnapped four adults, pencil with them, but
some at some point between coming up with this plan.
Even though at some point somebody in your circle, somebody
in your life, did you has to tell you that
not worth you doing this and risking your entire career
in life over getting your look back over this. Yes,

(40:36):
it's a lot of money, right, Yes, people came in
your home and sold from you in disrespect. But the
idea that nobody made the conscious effort to stop this
plan from going through is unfortunate and what also sexist.
A lot of the friends seemed to be putting blame
on him, like they're they're like to get lesser sentences.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
Would like you would have thought with this type of situation,
you would have thought, you know, some people learn by
watching other people.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
Some people learn by their own experience. Right, you would
have thought this guy would have.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
Seen what O. J.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
Simpson went through Jesus and been like, oh, that's not
the way to handle it. But the problem is that
we had a rich nigga handling shit like a broke nigga.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
You know what's crazy. I actually disagree with you only
because he wasn't there, so you know how like we
talked about the Gucci man he was, he went with
his daddy. Unfortunately in this case, actually I do feel
like he did handle it he had his ghouls go

(41:42):
do what he wanted to do and wasn't there. Unfortunately, though,
you got caught because of what the text messages.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
No, but this is what I'm saying, though, a rich
when you get rich, you deal with life differently everybody else.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Okay, Yes, when you get right there, you.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Do things in a way that at that point you
have a lot to lose, and you deal with things
that say, I have a lot to I'm still gonna
handle this, but I have a lot to lose, and.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
So I don't get my hands dirty. I don't go
And even.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
When you see mob movies and all this shit, you
don't see the Godfather going to do the dirt. You
send some niggas to go do whatever you're gonna do.
And so you handle this a certain kind of way.
In this case, you don't send these niggas. You send
some lawyer niggas, you send some police niggas, you send
some private investigator niggas, but you don't send people to
go do crime regular niggas when you have this kind

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of money.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And what sucks heavily about this, y'all know a bitch from.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Florida, nigga, it's another thing too, jurisdiction. When you do
certain thing in certain states, the penalty is more severe
Florida historically, don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Don't give a fuck, but not only that you're a
black man.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
Don't give a fuck.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
And if it's I don't know if this will be
a jury trial or it's just a judge, but a
judge as a singular person, a judge, caause just look
at this and be like, young man, you had all
this opportunity in front of you, Like.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Why should I be leaning on you? Why should I
give you a lesson? Sis? Why should I let you copy? Please?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I'm curious?

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Orchestrated? What did the kidnapping went? Super ud? Yeah? What
if you kill somebody indirectly?

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Is there any point yomi? If you have an idea too,
Is there any time that it's ever worth taking justice
into your own hands.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
The only time? Not property? Yeah? Yeah, yes, that's exactly
what I was. Your kid.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
You know, we're going back to the mob. They always
say no women, no kids, right, Well, your woman and
your kid.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
That's tough. Did y'all see the way back to Florida?
Did y'all see the documentary Perfect neighbor.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Yeah, that's right, she did that. She was one of
the wretched white bitches.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I was talking to go and defend her kids, and
she got killed. Like it's tough because and now those
babies are left with no mom. I'm very it's very
hard hard for me to think of any point where
taking justice into our own hands doesn't inevitably result in
something like a loss of life, a loss of rights,

(44:11):
a loss of freedom. And so for me, like when
you value your life, I can't right now think of
anything that I would give up all of those things
or risk my life for, or risk my freedom for
because I want to retaliate or get my look backer.
I can't think about it.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
But here's another thing too. If he goes to the courts,
as you said, then he would be deemed a snitch.
I don't the reason why.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
That's what I'm saying. How he's handling hand like I
can't go to the courts, But yeah you can, nigga,
could you? Tax bracket can and rules don't apply to
you you at all? Who you don't commit crime?

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Usually this is an isolated football player. There's no should
to your point. Many do I get that. It's like
you are playing, you are risking something.

Speaker 6 (45:08):
By him whatever. Even if it goes right, you're still
taking a risk. But I could see you emotionally losing
it over your wife, your kids, something like that. Like
we just saw the father I was at a Florida
two the father who got shot in the face by
the way end because he did something to his daughter.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Way by the way. And I know this has been
something sent on podcasts since the pandemic and even before
those videos. I hate that we get to see those videos.
Like it was literally him walking up to confront and
he shot him dead point.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
In front of other people, other people and the other
kid was trapped up to Yeah, so they knew.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
The thing is I would say with that scenario is
you got to understand the times were living in. Yeah,
these young boys don't have no emotional in challenges at all.
They don't know how to form those words.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I don't even know how to read.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Thing is, you see these videos.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
They just want to back the lost implemented.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
And that's not that's not that's not an indictment on the.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Remember a couple of episodes ago we talked about how
they do this, the systemic oppression through education the same thing.
So then removing the ability to do cursive that's intentional,
of course, but that's real quick think.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Howd on do you write it? Do we as adults, though,
do we write a cursive?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
I do, all right?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
When do you write a cursive?

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Signing?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Things about your signature?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Okay, so years ago when I was you.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
Know, when you you write passionate letters to you know.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
What I'm saying some ships up now, this is a
big blue bottle and to use a little white out
if you make make an error.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
You were not using white out and king.

Speaker 5 (47:07):
But look, I think the father in that case he
should have read the room, protect his daughter, let it slide,
but be prepared that.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
He might have to shoot one of the no niggas. Yeah,
and the fact that he did, he tried to go
out there with big brodick arm like, Yo, what up,
I'm gonna beat your ass.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
Yeah, there's a different There's different about how that's family.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
That's a different thing.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I will say too, if you guys want to just
dig deeper, y'all know that I have an affinity for
the gangs in Jacksonville, Florida. And the Julio folio case
has a trial has looked like it's come to an
end for a lot of the the people who orchestrated
the killing, and one of the gentlemen specifically, I want

(47:50):
to give you his name, because they've been showing that
he also came from a good household, traveled the country,
was a photographer, came from a good home and was
that actually responsible for trying to take the life of
Julio twice Sean Gathwright, who has taken responsibility, but who
is pleading for leniency. And it's just crazy because when

(48:13):
you look at these young these young boys thinking that
you could get away with killing someone like he literally
had a piece on his on an AR fifteen that
caught the casings in that this was planned. Y'all drove
down to Tampa. So again going back to at any
point somebody saying, Yo, this isn't worth it. I don't

(48:36):
want to hear y'all crying on the stands pleading for
leniency for something that you had ample time to second
guests and choose to not do.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
You didn't have to go down there route.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Speaking of not having to go down that route in
this if America, Babe, a woman was caught on video
emptying a public trash can on the streets. This is,
of course, during the New York Knicks championship parade. She
has been identified as the director at JP Morgan Chase,

(49:09):
the director of DEI might.

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I add three hundred thousand dollars plus per year salary.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
And she was recently let go and fired from her
job from her role for doing this. Now what's crazy
is the post has learned that dumping trash onto the
street and stealing public property for your own personal use
while illegal anti social. She did not get charged for it,

(49:36):
right right, So she unfortunately has lost her jobs due
to the court of public opinion.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Now you said, why everybody filming shit? Right?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah, hearing out?

Speaker 5 (49:48):
You got to be responsible enough and mindful enough that
you're not picking up a piece of paper and running
with it. You in broad day. Look at the back
of that picture. You see all these people in the background.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
R big.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
You were looking at her back because that's a big back.
That's a big old bag.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
It's a lot to unpackage. Got to snap back with bom.
The snap back is crazy, right, the right picture?

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Is that a snap snap back? Trying to be like
Jaylen No, I did not notice. Yeah, yeah, so so
you pick up.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
The fucking garbage which was spread out all throughout that
area of the city orange and blue right and nostalgic ship. Yeah, sure,
even if you want to take the garbage. I don't
even think they fired her because she took the garbage,
can you don't? I think they fired her ass because
she emptied the garbage on the street.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
That was a lot of garbage in front of everybody.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Look at the people are in dismayed like what are
we witnessing here?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Or here's what I say, Like, I do want to add,
By the way, y'all.

Speaker 10 (50:53):
She should have took the whole thing.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
Yeah, well she was kind of struggling lifting up without
the garbage, and then he got her own subway with
the dad smiling way.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Wait wait wait video on her on the subway.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
In the in the train, chilling right there. That's your
bottom the bottom, right Can I can?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I also add the embarrassment of this So the same
way we talked about Ryan Arnold risking his fourteen million
dollar NFL salary with stupidness, This trash can for any
Knicks fan that wants it is actually available online for
one hundred and sixty eight dollars. A way to do
was look and see if she could have bought this online.

(51:33):
It was one hundred and sixty eight dollars. Babe, you
didn't have to steal public property. She had. She got
dog three hundred thousand dollars salary now.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
And she probably got the last executive position in this
country as at the esteemed J.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Morgan. Because I'm not gonna lie with d I currently.
You know that's a job opening somebody. No, no, no, no,
you know that's what I'm seeing on the internet. They
were like, oh, they were looking for a reason to fire.
This is the way that JP Morgan doesn't have to
take the brunt of what target is facing. Right, we

(52:16):
could just go ahead and get out of our We
could say we are midway through the year. Oh my god,
let's look at these p and ls. Oh, we can
get rid of our whole division that we've seen a
lot of the other companies. This fucking digenerate.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Now what is she is? She?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
She look.

Speaker 10 (52:39):
So if I'm not mistaken, I thought she was Puerto Rican.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I mean it gives that, it gives that, well, oh
my god, I will say to the internet when I say,
when they want to find something out. Her resume was posted.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
The crazy part about it was the the first videos
that went out was four k h D times ten.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
So cald you imagine her colleagues. Is that Maria?

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yeah, well she got to be Maria. Hold that's not
her name.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Don't do that. That was a real interview. Hold on,
let's get her name because just because she Latina.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
First of all, you said, that's very ignorant.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
No, that was Hey, what's her name? What's her name, Jessica,
you call it crazy.

Speaker 10 (53:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
They put it out there because they put her whole
They put out there. We go Lydia. Her name is Lydia.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Lydia what Lydia?

Speaker 10 (53:39):
No, no, no, no, it's not Lydia.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I just saw it.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
That was that was the writer writer.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
I caught it quick. I caught it quick.

Speaker 10 (53:49):
Are your Angie, Angie Bias, Angie Bis?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
You know it's crazy Maria? That might be Puerto Rico,
she might be.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
Here's here's my thing about it, right, this is wildly stupid,
Like the whole thing is wildly stupid to do.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Stupid and to your.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Point about like maybe they just needed reason to fire
her whatever, the case is, I've seen people do a
lot of dumb ship.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
They deserve them to get fired, you know, off the clock.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Is this like, for for real? Is this really like
a fireable offense? Like it's embarrassing and it's stupid. But
is this like, yes, oh, ship, you you're what what are.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
You saying to.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
We've been seeing for the last ten years.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
From the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Better guys. We've been seeing for the last ten years
paid their jobs for less, for opinions they've posted online,
for liking tweets, for promoting certain agendas, or even their
political affiliation. We've seen people lose this. So essentially, what
you do is you commit a crime on video. And unfortunately,

(55:02):
here's the other thing. And I said this when when
we talk about artists and podcasters and and people that
are in big businesses, right, what do we always say, damn,
did you not read your contract? Unfortunately, what a lot
of people do when they start jobs. Those pamphlets are
so big.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
You sign knowing how ethics.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
They don't they don't read the they don't.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
Read the company.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
These are my obligations, and that I show up.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
She's not she's not a secretary.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Bros.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Three hundred a year.

Speaker 5 (55:39):
You are a different type of representation of a company
that is not exemplary of how you should be representing
the company. Look at the garbage and New York has
a rat problem, John So in the broad daylight, she said,
fuck them rats.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
Nix.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Not only that, fuck with the safety. Imagine how you
could trip and ball over this. You're you're creating a
hazard for a city during one of the most chaotic
moments in the city.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
The sanitation already has enough to deal with. You think
she was sober?

Speaker 5 (56:11):
No one, even if she's clearly knowing what she was doing.

Speaker 6 (56:15):
Bro, No, she very much knows what she's doing. I'm
just wondering, like, what makes you think that you could
just do this?

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Okay, to be honest, I'm gonna lead in somebody ignorance here.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Ain't never been to a restaurant and like something they
put on the table and decided that you're gonna take
it home with you.

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Plenty of ramakins, it's.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Right now, let's be serious. Here, I go to Noble.
They got a little dog with his little okay emphasis, No.

Speaker 11 (56:46):
Huge, No, this is a huge Imagine that she walked down,
she waited for the train. Right, she got on the train.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
And you know what's great If you look at the
video of this, her friend was trying to stay out
of the camera.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
She knew it was up, but on that video she
got caught.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
This is what I look like taking flower arrangements. I'm
not gonna hold you at the function, O babe. I'm
there till the end, and I literally go up, Who's
in charge? What can I take a flower arrangement home?
But when I tell you after every event I am taking.

Speaker 8 (57:28):
Sometimes sometimes I don't ask big metals.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
That's crazy, man. She look at look at the ground,
look at the people behind her.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Okay, so real quick, I will say we are all
in agreement. Then before we go onto the next topic.
That essentially she she deserves to lose her job.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Yeah you bought that. I mean I would like to
get what you get that.

Speaker 5 (57:56):
What I would hope is that there was a conversation
that was had other than bye bye. I think, well again,
but you still at the discretion of the of the company. Company,
so they probably could have kept her. Right you know what,
because I feel like suspension.

Speaker 6 (58:11):
I feel like she got fired because the headlines came
out saying JP Morgan.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Because who would have even known that in the first
PLACEK video, Oh that's what's her name? What is the
other question? Colleagues? Did the colleagues? Did the colleagues send
the email or all the hr like, Yo, what's up
where I don't like bro?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Oh no, no no. If this was not a good boss, okay,
don't let me see anybody anything like the whole internet.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
I know that, I've seen that. I know that bit.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
I bet you're a white woman one of her colleagues
that don't like her, probably coming to the office being
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Just or some ship and she got your bitch? Is
that miss bias?

Speaker 1 (58:55):
To be fair, we talked about again the cell phones.
Nothing that y'all do now.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Is and that's who's not pulling out. It's probably more
footage than we haven't seen yet. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Look at I'm not gonna lie at this point. We're
leaning heavily into technology because the next conversation that we
are having has to deal with Big Tigger and a
domestic abuse case in which his ring camera footage was
released and was the reason as to why he was arrested.

(59:29):
So Tigger was arrested for child, cruelty and battery. There
is a video.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Which doesn't make it.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Well, No, the kid was right in front. It was
around during during this. Here's the other thing. The child
was around during the dispute. Now there's no need for
me to play the video because there's not much that
is happening. You'll just hear it. It looks like there
was a tussle over something, an object of an object.

(59:58):
You do hear big tigger leading for her to stop,
and it looks like they both fall over into the door.
So they both fall into a doorway or friend.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Which gravity, the laws of gravity and body and how
you're moving around, it's going to happen. But then she
starts screaming and hooping and hollering. Now I think he
had he purposely stayed in the camera view.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Though, well I don't know about that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I do want to bring this up, and this is
from Tesslin. Figure oh shout out to her, so she yep,
shout out to black facts. So she's aware of, you know,
some different statutes that deal with battery. And I wanted
to read this just so that we're a little bit
more informed so as it relates to battery statue you know,
OCG a whole munch. Numbers below are the elements that

(01:00:45):
must be proven, and this is what must be proven
for this to stick with Big Tigger. So a person
commits the offensive battery when he or she intentionally causes
substantial physical harm or visible bodily harm to another elements
of the state must prove. To convict of a defendant
of battery, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt

(01:01:07):
that one the defendant intentionally acted, which doesn't seem the
case with this video. The defendant caused physical harm to
another person, which yes, they both fell at the same time,
and the harm was either substantial physical harm or visible
bodily harm, which sucks because it did. But well, they

(01:01:30):
have the proof right now of the video. I think
it's going to go.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
If they didn't, they didn't have nothing, look at it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
They no, they had the visible scarring of her like
this video. We're assuming it's from that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
But she took it down the next day.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
And she took it down and recanted. Here's the other problem.
The Internet is having a hard time having empathy for
this woman, which, mind you, anytime there's a domestic violence case,
immediately the man is viewed as the fucking perpetrator, the monster,

(01:02:06):
the evil villain.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Oh, I have women friends that say blame men.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
But all this is looking differently, and it's because people
have pulled up the past of Big Tigger's wife. So
her name is Alicia Brown, and while they have shared children,
there are reports that she left a child in a vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
While she gambled in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
For six or seven hours. There is also a report
that the same child has been missing for the last
nine years. There's also reports that she claimed physical domestic
violence from her ex, which is the father of which
is the fathers child, was trying to get custody.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
However, Maryland state law does not favor men, not only.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Maryland state law. However, cases were dropped. She renigged on
the physical abuse, and it's gone cold because this daughter
allegedly wit missing in the home. Now they are saying
that it's possible that she just is hiding this child
because she doesn't want the father to have custody. All

(01:03:14):
of that to say.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Well, the daughter doesn't want to be found because maybe
she doesn't want to have anything to do with either.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
One of them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
I want is there a way Yomi. You can pull
up the clip that I have here because I want
us to break down where the internet is having a
lack of empathy. Yes, that clip right there. If you
could play this clip for us please?

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Oh lord?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Oh yeah, they're going in bed.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Everybody want to talk dis ignorant. We got to start
having like some kind of podcast education on it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
You got a motherfucker be kidding me.

Speaker 12 (01:03:49):
You left your child in a con for eight hours,
a four year old for eight hours, while you're going
to casino, and did she end up missing?

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
And no one knows what she at. Father having said
this child no more. Doing the research on you.

Speaker 12 (01:04:05):
And finding out that you as a very toxic person,
you give me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It's a thing like between love and hate.

Speaker 12 (01:04:16):
Because let me tell you something, Big Ticket didn't know
who he was dealing with, because how he know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I don't think that he would have dated you.

Speaker 12 (01:04:22):
You make me believe that you hit yourself upside the
head and try to come on this internet and turnish
Big Ticket's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Reputation because we never heard of.

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
This about him. He don't even look like he had type.
Big Ticket. You need to watch him because if she
did this to her first child, she'll do it to
your child, man, Take this to court, get custody on
your child.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
She trying to destroy you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Well, you know it's a bunch of holes, but you know,
at somebody and be like, but see.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Unfortunately, this is what the internet is talking about. And
I do want to I want to sit here and
say a rapist doesn't always look like a rapist, and
a a user doesn't always look like an abuser. A
woman is not always innocent in their claims. The problem
here is immediately, because of twenty fourteen arrests and mistakes

(01:05:16):
and choices that this woman made, she no longer gets
to be a victim. And it's unfortunate because it's what
we also saw in terms of say the Diddy case
with Cassie. It's what we're seeing with a lot of
sex workers who are being violated by perpetrators, but they're
not getting the sympathy of society. And so unfortunately, where yes,

(01:05:40):
there's always this blame men, women are innocent stance, it's unfortunate.
It's unfortunate that as a community, as a society, we're
leaning into a now place where if you are not
the perfect outstanding citizen, you no longer get to be
a victim of any crime. And so this is interesting

(01:06:00):
seeing how they're automatically siding with Big Tigger because he's
had no previous allegations or any previous anything, which means nothing.
But as a woman, as a mother, as a wife,
we're seeing someone who showcased signs of abuse, who went
online crying, which I absolutely hate. But we're seeing the

(01:06:23):
internet completely not allow her to be a victim in
this stance without all of the evidence. And it's unfortunate
because she answered us into this group chat by posting
that video to begin with. Correct, but now the state
is involved. Now we have bring camera footage and it's
just something to wear.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Maybe she got the eye when she fell.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
What I also want to say, this is also interesting
lens that people are viewing. They're saying like, Big Tigger,
how didn't you know about this past that she had?
How did you know? How did you not know that
she was this type of mother? And I wanted to
ask y'all, has there ever been a relationship or a
dating phase with a woman that you were talking to

(01:07:06):
where you completely ignored a red flag and later down
the line you were like, damn, I saw it. I
ignored it. I didn't want to believe it, but it's true.
Or now I'm seeing that you're still that same person
because unfortunately she's cried wolf with domestic violence. She's sitting
here with a lot of question marks about her past

(01:07:26):
in terms of being a mother. Yet you procreated with
this woman.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Have you ever been in a situation where.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
Like nothing, for me, nothing has ever been like that extreme, Like, okay,
there's always when you meet somebody, you're always taking in
information about how they act, not just how they interact
with you, but how do they interact with other people
like you. A lot of women say, oh, if I
go to dinner with a man and he's rude to
the weight staff, then like for me, that you're automatically

(01:07:53):
out because if you're going to be rude to the
weight staff, then it shows that you don't have any training.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
You don't know how to treat people. So they can
be stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Where you look at it and be like, damn, that's
kind of unnecessary. Or you see someone's you see one
of their flaws like leap through the mask they might
be trying to put on, and you'd be like, I
don't know, I've never had anything personally that was to
this degree of like, oh shit, something dangerous or something
scary happened after that. But I don't know the reason

(01:08:23):
court of public opinion is stupid place because it shit
doesn't mean anything like, Okay, whatever problems this woman had
or whatever bullshit she might have done in the past
doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not
she was assaulted or battered in this case in this situation.
So I don't even know, like outside of just trying

(01:08:44):
to look to punish the woman, I don't know what
that has to do with anything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
And I want to flip this real quick, because we
never talked about it. You said the court of public
opinion is a stupid place. You know who I'm seeing
defend themselves right now to the court of public opinion,
go ahead. The case that happened in Tanzania with the influencer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:06):
Yeah oh, the white guy Joe and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Ashley Janette, it has been ruled a suicide, and what
he's been doing recently is showing the fear in her
mental health through text messages, her mom even asking how
is she today, her running into traffic, and unfortunately the
entire country celebrities podcasters as well who are friends with

(01:09:31):
her don't want to believe that she was that down
and out with her mental health, and everyone said, this
white man killed this black girl, and what he's created
a whole page to kind of try to he has
to defend himself now in the court of public opinion,
because in the court with the autopsy, he's been proved innocent.

(01:09:53):
And so now, fortunately, the court of public opinion isn't
really that stupid, now, is it. The court of public
opinion will old someone to the fire for something that
they've been cleared of.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
That's like, why, but why are you defending yourself to
the court of public opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
Because are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Not only not not only does someone die, the court
of public opinion will keep you from ever having a
normal life again. Even if you're not you that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
There's zero he can do about it, because if it
was anyone.

Speaker 8 (01:10:28):
Chang change mine, changed mine.

Speaker 5 (01:10:32):
You still have to put things out for public record
to say, hey, this is not what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Let me tell my story.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Not only we always like to draw conspiracies about people
and how they died, why they died, what they were
connected to, when sometimes it's it's literally cut and dry.
Sometimes all this one is a little suss I'm not
gonna lie him showing like the fact that she was
battling mental health. Apparently he was also going to call

(01:10:57):
off the engagement because they had gotten into an argument.
And apparently, according to everyone, this is all she wanted,
was this marriage is But she was manic, she was
dealing with depressions. She was dealing with you know, And
I don't think that people realize like how much that is,
like working with people who end up having suicidal ideologies.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
And he bypassed those quote unquote red flags because he probably.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Thought because he loved her, he probably.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
You hear the truth of the automatic ye o. The
reason why we hear, the reason why this happens, the
question that she has.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Have you ever experienced it? Yo? Good?

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Poom poom, my god, my mother says, my mother, I
think we were going.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
It's true. My mom will say the flesh is weak.
You know why she said that ship because niggas had
no decorum. You put on a dude, it will it
will erase some of the He was like, man, that's
a crazy motherfucker, But is it good?

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
Risks somebody doing it right now? In office in this building.
Is somebody making a bad decision?

Speaker 8 (01:12:07):
What makes now you know what, because you just saying,
and I'm potter with niggas.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
What makes pussy so good that you're going to ignore
the signs of mentally unstable?

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
What makes it so good? Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:12:21):
For me? Nothing? What makes it good? It is the moment.
The moment is the moment, time and opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Wait what said Macaroni?

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Yeah, you stirring it up to get the end result.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
The opportunity creates what circumstance?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
That didn't answer what makes pussy good?

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Makes it good? Is? I mean that's because it's blinded
by lust all the time. Depends on every pussy is different.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
But what makes it so good? You ignore a woman
that left her child in the car for eight hours,
access to it, access to.

Speaker 6 (01:12:57):
Access to in fairness to this white man, which yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Oh wait, because now you're going back to.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
The what I'm saying in his case, his story, his
story that I love her so like getting married, so
like in his mind he's thinking, this is my life partner.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Whatever, she actually married.

Speaker 4 (01:13:16):
Children, I'm not ignoring, but he didn't. But also to
I think what gets lost in she had a high
level government job. She had a very history and colorful
who did uh the young lady.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
That y'all got it story?

Speaker 5 (01:13:32):
Okay, so he probably was navigating in these circles and
he came across her and then nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
He's a huge crypto.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
He had more know what I'm saying. But still she's
what I'm saying. She had access to him through her
journey in her work.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
You know, Yeah, they met. She put on an event
in Abbi or Dubai and was able to meet him.

Speaker 5 (01:13:52):
So he's not knowing about none of that ship. I'm
pretty sure I don't know that there's a missing. Listen,
if you date a girl, a woman, and there's a
I haven't seen my daughter, you're probably gonna sidebar and be.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
Like, up, oh that's no, but you don't check that
left her daughter in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
I'm not gonna lie you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
I'm if he knew, if.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
He knew, if and I don't want to put this
on him, but if he knew, you know what kept him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
She had a different story.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
You know what kept him, the story and the pussy. Okay,
it's the power of the people.

Speaker 5 (01:14:28):
They say that because we are fucking dumb man, are dumb.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
We will do that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Like I said, niggas take risks for all types of
ship all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
You know what was crazy? I keep saying? Can we
just say people did y'all see the tender swindler was
giving away their whole life.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
To engage other bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
This is why lust is one of the sevenst deadly
Number one.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Well, you thinks take command as they say, du should
not covet another niggas woman that should not commit.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
About Yeah, I'm kissing God knew what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Lust is the top seven deadly sin? Which which deadly
sin do y'all feel controls the most of your life?

Speaker 4 (01:15:21):
What's the seven? Let's go down there the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Seven is, and I want y'all to that are listening
to figure out which seven deadly sin controls the most
of your life. So you have lust, which is disordered
in excessive sexual desire. You have gluttony, which is the
over indulgence and over consumption of food or drinks. You
have greed, which is an excessive desire for wealth or

(01:15:43):
material possessions. Sloth which is laziness, spiritual apathy or avoidance
of effort, wrath, which is what I think we see
with a lot of the things that we talked about
earlier is uncontrolled feelings of hatred, rage, or desire for revenge,
which I think is what we discussed earlier, Envy resentment,

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which is resentment or sadness that others traits, status or possessions.
And then the last one is pride, excessive self worth
or arrogance. Often consider the deadliest sin from which all
others stem. Now, I'm curious for all of us here
if we can, which one do you think controls you

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the most? Now I can start off because I'm very
aware of mine, and I just actually also had this conversation, right,
So the deadly sin that most connects to me one
percent would be greed, an excessive desire of wealth and

(01:16:48):
material possessions. If you've heard my thoughts on billionaires, trillionaires, millionaires,
I would do and have done almost anything to obtain money.
I come from nothing, I had nothing. I've had to
decide whether it's gonna be toilet paper or food. And
there are things that I've done in the sake of

(01:17:09):
being able to pay bills. And so for me, I
would say greed one hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:17:14):
Percent that that isn't greed in an.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
Ovall, No, it was survival. But where I'm now now, Yeah,
the billionaire thing is definitely I would want to obey.
I'm not I'm not working hard enough.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Like I say, not too, like I ain't gonna lie.
We might have the same.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
I'm not working hard enough. I want to obtain a
wealth where I don't have to look at prices. I
want to go on trips like I want to live
a life where the dollar amount of things does not
make And until I get to that place, I'm not
making enough money. Now when y'all see this list, are
y'all aligned with me? You said you aren't. But John,

(01:17:55):
is there any other thing that you think dictates your life?

Speaker 6 (01:17:59):
If I had to, I think, if I had the name,
one is probably gluttony, okay, because it's just easy to
just like it's easy to drink. It's easy to I mean,
we just drink tequila at ten o'clock in the morning.

(01:18:20):
I mean my sins, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
So it's like that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
I think gluttony is a thing, But I think pride
is probably the thing that will probably I think it
gets everybody at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I'm if I need something, I'm asking for it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:35):
But that situation I don't have. But that's one thing
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I don't feel like I'm prideful, really like you don't.

Speaker 6 (01:18:41):
Feel like there's something that somebody could say that you
feel like, Oh, this person is like you're trying to
low ball me, You're trying to disrespect.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
I'm not who I am. I felt that and feel
like I need.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
To know I felt that way at the ending of
the thing. Is honestly like my my work, ethic, my
ability to lead a team, all of the work that
I had put in, I felt like was tried, and
so there was an element that I felt like I
had to defend myself. But two years later, I think

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the universe played a market what's happening there?

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
And so for me, I didn't let it corrupt me.
My pride wasn't at a My pride wasn't so big
that it led me to a wrath of a wrath
of revenge, like my desire to revenge someone. It's funny
because me and A King just had this conversation last week.

(01:19:38):
I have a friend, an ex friend who I'm no
longer friends with, and their intentionality in reaching out to
almost everyone that I know over the last two weeks
has been so odd. I feel like it's been temperature
checking whether or not I'm blackballing her on the back end.
And it's so funny because in seeing this, I'm just like,

(01:20:01):
I've never been one to get in the way of
anyone's money at the end of the day, like especially
if you have kids, especially if there was a friendship there.
I'm not someone who's gonna fuck on your nigga when
we stop talking. I'm not someone who's gonna go and
align with your enemy wants to start talk just to
make you feel And what I'm also never gonna do
is feel the need to go and tell everybody I

(01:20:24):
don't fuck with this person. No more so don't let
them in the room. I'm not that type of bitch.
And what's crazy is people know I have the power
to be and I've been petty enough to where I
talk the shit, but I'm not doing that. And so
in seeing this pride leading into maybe wrath or anger,
I know, for me, I'm all about the money. And

(01:20:44):
I'm also somebody that vividly and strongly believes that there's
enough money to go around.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
There's enough money for all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
To eat, and there's no reason for me to step
in the line of anyone making money. I will say,
I'm curious to know what happens with this big tickercase
he is still on the air down here in Atlanta,
he hasn't been removed off. I feel sorry for his
co host if she really wasn't fucking William, because I
would hate for that to be put on to me.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
That's the easiest thing if she If if the wife
is you know, wants to put something on him, or
maybe she's speculating.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Because of whatever it is you see that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I can see that, well, that is the thing. Apparently
in the phone he was messaging another woman, so there
was some level of infidelity that led to allegedly.

Speaker 6 (01:21:28):
Well, the other part of it is is like if
this and I don't want to I don't even want
to go too far down this hole. But if this
woman has if his wife has an insecurity or has
certain issues her seeing text messages that can easily be benign,
she might feel are threatening or are a little too friendly,

(01:21:52):
or whatever the thing is.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
So I don't even want to go down that path
too much.

Speaker 6 (01:21:55):
But all I would say is that this video that
came out.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
I don't think that it absolves Tiger of anything.

Speaker 6 (01:22:02):
I don't think it necessarily fully convicts him of anything.
I think that both lawyers on both sides are going
to have arguments they're gonna have to make about this.
It's interesting too, because I did see in different news
elements they are charging him. They have him listed his
charge with different things. Some say battery, some say aggravated assault.

Speaker 5 (01:22:24):
And it's very different meanings for those, which that's why
I'm confused a little bit about what he's actually charged with.

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
So I haven't seen the paper.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Right, No, the charges are child cruelty and battery. And
cruelty is because the child was there.

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
But there's some news outlets like is this eleven alive? Yeah,
so eleven Alive is saying that his charges include aggravated
assault and cruelty to children.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Oh well, aggravated assult is probably the battery charge.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
But here's the thing though, Aggravated assault is a very
different charge than battery. Aggravated assault is normally you used
a weapon. You had a gun, a bat, a knife,
you know something that you So are they considering the door?

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Maybe the door?

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
The weapon is the there's also assault is normally a threat.
Assault isn't necessarily the physical. The physical act, if it's completed,
is battery. If I say I'm a fuck you, I'm
gonna kill you, that's assault. M If I punch you
in your face, that's battery. So even the fact that
there's this little confusion inside of the news articles, which

(01:23:27):
I'm I don't know how that got through if everyone,
and it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Sucks because the wife, Alicia Brown or yeah, I think
that's her name, also came out and was like, guys,
I never called him an abuser the internet.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
She said she felt bad from posting the video. It's
it's a lot to deal with and so I don't
know how this is gonna work.

Speaker 5 (01:23:46):
It's a lot of investigation.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
But ultimately, look his his We could land here because
I know we.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
Land the plane. Yeah, we got two more topics.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
I hope that she gets the spiritual physical mental health
that she the healing that she needs all parties. I
hope the kid is safe, their children, ultimately, I do.
I hope that her first child, you know, gets found.
If the child is not with someone you know knowingly,

(01:24:15):
and if and if that child is missing on her
own relig missing if she doesn't want to be, I
hope she stays gone. Well, I don't think that's the
case because I saw a video where they have surveillance
of a white suv that picked the kid up, and
that was the last time she was seen. And the mother,
according to the the video I saw, she owned the
white suv. That fits the description. So look, if the

(01:24:37):
child is with other family members, I hope that child.
I hope the child is fine. I hope somehow that
her father is able to see that daughter, because I'm
pretty sure his heart is for years like that and
there's no conclusive nothing about it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
So I just hope all parties get the healing and
the the the you know, the mentorship if that's the right,
right coaching that they need, and the whole big tiger,
same thing for him, and it's just a bad bad guys.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
We gotta make better decisions, y'all. Yeah, you gotta fellas.
We gotta start practicing uh seeming retention. You gotta have
some type of discipline.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
What what are we going with this?

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
It's part of the part of this is very because
we are not talking about the way.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
What do you think what do you think? Less is
about the nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
It's not about the nuts.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
I mean, it's part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
And I don't know why it's just coming out like this.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
It's part of it. But you have to in these cases,
these are the cases that we talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
We're talking about that's the violence case about us.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
May accumulation of some of the stories we've been presenting.
It goes back to the niggas being kidney. I'm saying,
we gotta just reserve kidnapping.

Speaker 1 (01:25:59):
I have nothing to do with se retention.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
We tried to out maybe that nigga need to hit
that X videos one time and he would just ease
his mind.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Let me reverse. Maybe maybe hand self pleasure might be
the solution. Some of these niggas are backed up and angry.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Oh my gods, not for y'all. Yes, all right, well
let's get into celebrities say the darness things. Now, I
don't y'all y'all not getting a mon All right, y'all. So,
Oprah Winfrey was recently at can Lions where she had

(01:26:40):
a live podcast taping. So during a sit down at
the Lumeeter, Oprah highlighted the responsibility of media and how
strong an influence they have as a strong example, She
used her extremely popular interview with Whitney Houston. Now this
is a quote that she said, and we're gonna get
in to it. She said, we did the whole thing,

(01:27:02):
Hey girl, how you doing greeting thing? And then I
stopped the cameras and I went behind the stage and
I said, so tell me what do you want to
happen here? And I'm going to tell you what I
want to happen here, Winfrey said, And that was one
of the most powerful interviews. Oprah went on to say
that while Whitney wasn't high during the interview, she relapsed
when she came back to perform for the audience, and

(01:27:25):
according to her, she was so high that she fell
off of the stage. I had such trust from the
Oprah Show audience. I think it was the last show
with us, and she had gone back on drugs, drugs,
Winfrey said. The first interview I did with her, when
we'd gone behind stage and I asked her about her intention,
she was clean. But the day she came to my

(01:27:47):
show then to perform in front of the audience, she
was not, and she fell off the stage. Oprah says
that she used her influence and trust in her audience
and asked them not to release the images an incident
because she knew that the story went out that it
would destroy Houston. Now beyond that, Whitney's A State has

(01:28:07):
since responded, and I want to read that. So Whitney's
A State has come forward and said that bitch Oprah
U line puss a hot No, of course not.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
So so.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Ray, who is Whitney Houston's former bodyguard, spoke out and
backed up the state's version of events, explaining that the
whole situation boiled down to a simple accident and terrible
stage lighting. He explained that Whitney was walking toward the
front of the stage during production and literally just couldn't

(01:28:49):
see where the platform ended. He claims that, quote unquote,
no drugs were involved. Ray confirmed, completely shutting down the
narrative that Whinney was under the influence or trying to
deliver a performance. Now, I want to first ask y'all's
thoughts on Oprah sharing this story and if or if

(01:29:12):
not she had the right to. I do have a
clip as well of Monique sharing her thoughts. Because ironically
the universe was funny and Oprah ended up falling performance.
You get what you've done as so damn I'd love
to know your thoughts on this.

Speaker 6 (01:29:30):
I'm sill about this the same way I feel about
last week when take Keith passed away and the next
day it's all he what's his name?

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Sex? He read?

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Owes him money?

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
What does this serve?

Speaker 6 (01:29:44):
Whitney is not here no more, she can't defend herself
against any of this. What was this story an example of?
Like it sounded to me like you were essentially making
Whitney look bad so that you could big up yourself
to be like oh, and I told him, don't put
the pictures out and they never did. And I'm Oprah
Winfrey and I'm powerful and I was able to stop
this from happening.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Like so the fuck? What? Like who cares?

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
Like, we know you're Oprah Winfrey. I don't understand what
the context of this story is too. Now I'm one
of them people who I'm not on that don't speak.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Ill of the dead.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
Like to me, if you were a fucked up person
while you're here, then that's how people are going to
talk about you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
But this isn't that case. This is an unwarranted story.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
Out of nowhere, just for no real particular reason, I
don't get with you.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
What was she trying? What information was she trying to
give us with this?

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Well, the conversation was how media plays a big role
in the influence and things like that. That was literally
the premise. And I do want to say, while I
fuck with you, John, I so hardly disagree with this,
only because we know how Whitney Houston passed. Sure, no

(01:30:54):
one has complained about the many biopics made about what
and her battle with drugs and so to me, if
you were battling any sort of addiction, if you were
battling any sort of depression, if you were battling any
sort of anything while you were alive, and I had

(01:31:14):
an experience with you that stayed with me, I'm able
to talk on it because it was a real experience.
And what I'm not doing is sharing anything about you
that everyone didn't already know. Like so, I understand taking
a secret to the grave, right, but in this essence,
it wasn't a secret that Whitney Houston battled drugs and

(01:31:37):
so Oprah sharing an incident with this person, I don't
feel like she's not at any way able to share
her experience with a addict battling person such as Winnie Houston,
and if she's saying I sat down with her, she
was clean for the interview, but when she came back

(01:31:58):
for the performance it was obviously was a relapse. And
then the estate coming out saying lighting is why she
falled off the stage. But I have been on a
lot of stages. That's a long fall off a lot
of them to blame. But to blame lighting is just
like now, mind you, it is I don't know, falling

(01:32:18):
off on the same and I want you to know.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Those Just the other day, one of the Jackson brothers
was singing Michael's part and he fell off the ship.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yes, but what else happens all the time is realizing
when someone is not like when they're not in their
right mind, and when you see someone who is sober
or clearly not intoxicated, and then you see them again
and they are I think that as people we know.
And I don't know what relationship Oprah had with Whitney,

(01:32:51):
but if she had been present during this battle and
had spent time around her and Bobby, or had spent
time around her and seeing the sober to not sober,
to sober to not sober. I also don't want to
take it away that Oprah may not have known or
wouldn't know whether she relapsed or not in this moment.
And if that's her, if that's her telling of this sense,

(01:33:15):
fuck the Internet for feeling like Oprah can't speak her
truth or her scenario of an incident that happened with
someone who passed.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
My issue isn't necessarily the drugs. I think we all
know Whitney was on drugs. What I'm saying is, when
you're telling this story, what, like if the topic was
how the media controls narratives, what does this story have
to do with a controlled media?

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
That's so you're missing that point. But she literally said,
because of my power and because I know how it
would have impacted her career at the time for those
videos to go out, I made sure that it didn't
go out, so no one in the audience sure really.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
Know she was on drugs. You didn't save us from
knowing that Whitney was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
On But whatever time frame it was, it would have
had whatever negative impacts on her. And what she's saying
is as a as a media personality with a huge influence,
I didn't let this go out to be fair, it's
the same way I just spoke about you weren't there
but a king I shared if you guys go to
Patreon a conversation I had with some good friends of
mine and how the conversation led in a way that

(01:34:21):
I'm gonna edit it before it gets And I did
that because not only would it make them look away,
would make maybe us look away. There's a bad narrative
that could be spewed from a conversation, and so out
of respect, I'm editing that out right right.

Speaker 6 (01:34:38):
But if that person passed away, you probably wouldn't go
talk about it after they passed away and then tell
the story of the thing that you said.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
It depends.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
It depends if you edited it you didn't want nobody
to know, didn't Let if oprahview saved her from that,
then let that be that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
But look, here's the thing. She's doing a live pop cast.
Ye in podcasting, we tell stories.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
It may not.

Speaker 5 (01:35:03):
I don't think I think this is this is a
case of fake outrage. Again, I agree, I don't think
there was nothing inflammatory about her telling the story about
this lady falling off a thing. She her interpretation of
her of what she suspects that could be questionable because
in her land, she probably put her in about she
probably high again yet drunk.

Speaker 4 (01:35:23):
We don't know that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
We can't confirm that she felt she had an incident
cool she didn't. She chose to not relinquish to put
out the pictures. And I think today she's telling the
story about that in terms of she used her power
and discernment to say, you know what, I fucked with
my girl.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
That bitch just high. I'm a chill. I'm not gonna
put that out there because it's gam piling on, right.
But I don't have a problem with her telling the story.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
I say, because we know she was high out her
mind had.

Speaker 5 (01:35:53):
The problem with us, And I said, the community at large,
it's a clip. How many of these people that in
these comments, just like with us when we put out ship,
find the long form version of it so you can
get contexts because we're all smart, right, we all right cursive, right, and.

Speaker 4 (01:36:14):
Guys like all right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:16):
I think it's because Oprah telling the story about Whitney,
people like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
And you know what, I also believe. I believe, not
like Oprah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
I do believe. Yeah, they don't. If you don't like
I bet you before they even hit play, they you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
You know, you know. I had to learn that. So
through the discourse of Monique and many other people speaking
out against this, the response that I saw was Oprah
only tells these type of damaging story about black people.
We never hear her talk down.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
On the I never heard the sixty minutes of the interview.
But let's hear an interview.

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Then we have a collective conversation about the entire sixty minutes,
not that clip. The clip was an idea of like, okay, cool,
But I don't think it's to that point where we're like.

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
Oh, fuck that bitch.

Speaker 6 (01:36:57):
Yeah, but people have had problems Oprah for a long time,
with various of course, But I do believe that I don't.

Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
I believe, Hey, Upra girl, I like you. I want
to be your friend with you and Kale.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
What's the number six? What's the number five? Agreed? Agree
with four? Four? That's that she's leaning into number four? No, no, no,
what's what's what's greed? What number three?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Let me tell you right now, me wanted to be
friends with Oprah has little to do with the money
that she has, because I don't look at people in
that way. But who she has been in terms of
how she's elevated herself throughout her career, the roles that
she played in not only daytime television and being a
woman that could interview and lead a talk show, but

(01:37:44):
she's played roles in movies, and she has a network
like to be up and and for me Right now,
I'm looking up to the Rays, the Marl Brocker kills,
the the quintin Brunson's right. But Oprah was all of
that before. I didn't say Jaylen is over.

Speaker 4 (01:38:02):
It's over it wait for Game two of the NBA season.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
I heard you say that about Game one the rings.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
You gotta do the whole function all over again. Can't
wars the game too?

Speaker 6 (01:38:17):
When it gets be regular basketball, Get back to regular life, Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
Let me tell you something started getting delivered to the.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Can I tell y'all, old lady again the way I
wanted this Trader Joe's bag of the Knicks, and I
don't even be carrying bags. Don't wait, you didn't see
the Trader Joe's grocery bag for the Knicks. Everyone went,
But then they were way more expensive than I thought,
because like three dollars to check out.

Speaker 4 (01:38:45):
Yeah, a little yeah, yeah it ship.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Look oh wait, look there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
We put it up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Look we can you know, we can order it. Look
at that waits only sixteen ninety five. Now, oh, this
looks like a only available. They sold the design.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Of course they did.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
They sold the design, but it's it's really dope. No no, yeah,
go to this one. There we go. Look at how
dope that is they are?

Speaker 5 (01:39:10):
They only were they only available at New York Trader Joe's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
No, no, no, you could buy it online. So I
was gonna buy open it, but I thought they were
going to be the cost of the regular Trader Joe's
grocery back. Yeah, and they were twenty bucks instead of.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
The four of I tried to go on the sneaker
app and get the cement threes the Nick colorway, and
I was in there filling out the information and I
hit the button and I was like, why this shit
stuck it just and I said, all right, let me refresh.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Yeah, oh cool, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:38):
Yeah, let's get to our last topic of the day.
I don't think we'll get to any conversation. I mean,
maybe we'll be able to finish if we get through
this quickly. So Lizzo recently complained about the lack of
support from her label after her record sales were published.
Now I do want to read this, She took What's

(01:40:00):
Twitter to say, I actually can answer. So basically, someone said,
Lizo not having a fan base is so weird to
me when this woman literally was selling out arenas not
even two years ago. Where did those people go? I
did also attend her concert at Madison Square Garden where

(01:40:20):
a lot of opened up for her phenomenal Let me
just say that I was thoroughly impressed and enjoyed the
Lizo concert at MSc. Shout out to Dre Davis. So
Lizo responded, I actually can answer this. The industry changed
so much in the last three years, streaming and replaced radio,

(01:40:41):
and I was a radio darling. That's how my fans
discovered my music. Not to mention the very obvious and
public attack on my career changed things. But I'm out
here doing my absolute best and you can't knock a
bitch for that now.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
Thanks thoughts, music industry has changed how we purchase music.
No one buys music anymore, and if they do, those
are the hardcore purest fans. We talked about this and
even in the podcast and media space, you have to
do five thousand things to get the one thing off.
And I think that's what artists, even successful artists, are

(01:41:22):
realizing now. Because the label structures have changed, marketing and
promo departments have been dissolved, so the emphasis to work
a record is not the same anymore. So you're not
going to see the result that she probably is used to.
So what she has to do, in my opinion, I
won't give away all the source, but there's ways around it.
You have to look at how what determines a successful

(01:41:43):
record has to change mentally, like how we view it. Also,
there's a value to dealing with your consumer in the customer,
your community right, catering to it, developing and catering to
the community right and start there. You have to I'll
be the department that was dissolved in Atlantic. I believe

(01:42:03):
she has to be that department herself. Now she has
to put invest in a team of people that's going
to do the things that the label used to do
for her any other access on the label.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
And that's not her problem.

Speaker 5 (01:42:14):
That is how the industry is at large because we
have got into a world of streaming, and we're still
trying to figure this shit out.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
As the metrics of it. I think, and I say
that because she's not the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
I think you are providing. Lizzo bumbell here me.

Speaker 4 (01:42:29):
Maybe here, maybe hear me. But I'm speaking to a
larger issue. Though she just today's she's today.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
That could be a larger issue. However, Court of public
opinion strikes again. That's actually, let's do that as the title.
Court of Public Opinions strikes again.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
That's the title.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
So Lizzo, unfortunately, who came into the space as this big,
voluptuous body positivity queen who said I'm healthy, I could
do saxophone, I could run, I'm healthy, but I love
my big black body, unfortunately was sued by the dancers

(01:43:19):
from her television show, where they claimed not only sexual
assault where she was forcing them to eat I don't know,
Banana's out of fucking strippers, pussies and Thailand or some
shit they also were. They also were accusing her of
unabashedly shaming their body during the pro and so the

(01:43:42):
lawsuits stem from like a hostile work environment, sexual harassment,
all these things that once a woman of power and
esteem is accused of, especially to other women.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
It's kind of tricky.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
The other thing that took place after being accused of
all these, the dismissal of the lawsuit wasn't as loud
as the actual lawsuit filed. First off, second off doing
the same since every clip that we saw was though
she was dropping pounds, So whether she was eating less,

(01:44:22):
whether she was on the fucking tranzeppetige ozimpicjero, golp one,
whatever she used. It got to the part where the
people that connected to her as a big woman being
proud to be big. It changed into I don't know
I see myself and her anymore either, because now she's
losing the weight. Now maybe she wasn't happy to be

(01:44:43):
a big bitch now like she doesn't speak for me now,
I no longer relate to her. And in being a
radio darling and getting all of these big hits, what
we talk about in podcasting, which has been a big
thing for us, is growing an audience that will support
you through growth, Growing an audience and people that rock

(01:45:03):
with you through your albums. It's why I'm such a
huge stand up j Cole. I've been with that Nigga
a long time because he grew a fan base that
wants to see him win. When you come out the
gate as a radio darling, who is your core audience?
To me, your core audience is big black women who
are into body positivity and feminism. No, let's be very

(01:45:26):
clear and guess what. Guess what you lose. You lose
that when women are suing you for sexual assault and
body shaming, and you lose it when you start to
lose weight, Like there's the people wealth hold.

Speaker 6 (01:45:38):
On well, and I'm like, this is no funny. It
was still a big girl, like not weight, but she's
still a big girl.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
You ready? You ready? I am one hundred and fifty
pounds mm hmm. There's a part of the internet that
constantly talks about my weight, my chin count, my account,
all the things. No, but but hear me out. I

(01:46:06):
am over eighty pounds less than what I've been. And
guess what I didn't get to do as I started
losing weight. Guess who kicked me out the BBW community.
So in terms of me speaking as a big girl
and how society viewed me as to the men that
I should or could or would be, the way that

(01:46:31):
I expressed myself sexually, the ways in which I move
about the industry are and were constantly questioned because of
my size, right, and so as I lost weight, there
became the split of men in certain people who view
size a certain way completely still being like, well, you're

(01:46:52):
a big bitch. Who's fucking you? Who's claiming you? You
don't have a husband because you're a big bitch? How
could you have an opinion as a bitch that looks
like that? Because E thoughts, y'all, y'all, y'all are now
collaborated with me on a lot of things. They say
a lot of nasty things. However, in terms of me
speaking for big women, they kicked me.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Out because you could you health because you want to
fucking breathe and without.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
A they don't well. And they they took away me
being comfortable in my own body because I didn't stay
two hundred and thirty pounds and because I'm now like
maintaining my weight eight years after a gastric sleeve surgery.
And what sucks is you don't get to be body
positive and lose weight. If you guys want to see

(01:47:39):
there's a documentary on HBO Tricky it's tricky. It's coffee dice.
No yeah, no, no, no, it's tricky because there's a level
of fetishism, kink.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Content with big women, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
But the way that they even treat you when you
gain weight, yeah, I mean it is terrible. And so
like if Lizzo would have been someone who is body
positive who continued to get bigger, I think that would
have been tricky too.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
I mean, here's what I say about Lizzo, I mean,
and some of that could be true.

Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
I think that the reason Lizzo didn't sell no records
this time around is because, by.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
The way, it's pair p E A R. Sorry Paradise,
but it's something about hold on, let me get the
actual documentary, because y'all know I do like talking documentaries.
Here a pair like like what the Rick Ross said,
pair pair Paradise. You spelt that wrong, too big? There

(01:48:45):
you go, Big girls wanted escaping Paradise.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Big girls wanted escaping.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
It is a documentary of a very very wealthy execut
in Hollywood who, during the pandemic, was like, I like
women five hundred pounds plus and if you don't feel
wanted or desired, come here to my mansion. This is
a safe space.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
And kind of board. They have not a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
So apparently there's also a place in Vegas where he
there's a routine. It's called a heart attack or look
it up, look up heart attack. So apparently if you
weigh over five hundred pounds you get to eat for free.
But there's a scale there where you go, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:49:34):
And you have you got to meet the mark.

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
Heart attack grill and if you live, if you weigh
over five hundred pounds, you get to eat for free
and it's a gluttonous. Oh damn, somebody died, I know
you ready. During the dock people pass away for their
weights and so it gets tricky in that. But anyways,
I mean we all, I mean a lot of people

(01:49:58):
are also into my six hundred pound life. Nonetheless, nonetheless,
there's a huge conversation around what her core group or
audience looks like, and that's what you're about to get to.

Speaker 6 (01:50:09):
Like, yes, I think that you know, the body positivity.
I think that was a big part of her marketing
of her building her public image of like this is
what I'm about, this is what I'm into.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
But like, let's be.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Clear, Lizzo's music was most deaf, like so many SKUs music,
like the way most they've talked about Drenk, like she
did pop music. She did music for Target and Walmart
and Abercrombus, like she did pop music that was honestly

(01:50:42):
like mainly attracted to white people. Like I don't think that.
I'm not saying that Lizzo doesn't have any Black fans.

Speaker 1 (01:50:50):
There were a few scattered at the contry.

Speaker 4 (01:50:52):
Yeah, I think. I don't think that Liz.

Speaker 6 (01:50:53):
I don't think that her main audience of people who
are going out loving Lizzos pinding the money were like
the black community.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
D I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:51:00):
I don't know that Lizzo ever had a song that
resonated with the black community in a way that was
like super hyper cultural where it's not a big pop
record for everybody, this is a black ass song. And
when she started doing black ass songs, niggas didn't like them. Shit,
I actually like they were it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:17):
Was a whole song.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
I'm not against that, but I'm just saying like people
weren't as into that music as they know as her
big pop anthems, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
That's what made her and that's the marketing promo I
was talking about. But not even the label was marketing
that to that, But what was the.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
The label was? But wait, you said something really big.
So even in the comments, someone mentioned it. She ended
up being political during the presidential campaign, and she literally
publicly stated, if you're voting for Trump, don't listen to
my music no more. And you're saying that her audience,

(01:51:54):
there was a lot of why white women at that
and we know where they leave because we's heard they
would give up their vote.

Speaker 6 (01:52:01):
Yeah, these conservative white women are driving around in these
minivans and mammy mobiles and they craking that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
I feel good as hell all that ship. That ship.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Why did you just sound like her?

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
So it's like they love that music. They don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:52:17):
They didn't know anything about Lizzo's political leanings and none
of that ship. They were just listening to this pop
music and it was hyper poppy, and they love that ship.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Her latest album is titled Bitch by the Way, which
I also don't think helps someone who has dealt with
but I mean with marketing pushback for horrible decisions for
so many years. I think titling an album bitch keeps
you from billboards in Times Square, keeps you from certain

(01:52:46):
marketing things keeps you from maybe daytime television.

Speaker 8 (01:52:50):
Mind you, you're Lizzo, but isn't special.

Speaker 1 (01:52:54):
But it isn't special. This is the word bitch. Yeah,
even don't love violent.

Speaker 4 (01:53:00):
Yeah, they don't want to support that.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
And so but it's not even that it's Lizzo. You
made this title. It's why we titled our book No
Holds Barred. I was like, and we still got pushed
back because.

Speaker 4 (01:53:11):
The whole holes right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:13):
Can't have sexually explicit or or or words.

Speaker 4 (01:53:19):
That controversial words, controversial.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Words that this is profanity.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
Yeah, and this is this is an.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Album that you're trying to push after your debut album
from twenty twenty two, which by the way, debuted at
number two with thirty nine thousand pure copies sold. Lizzo's
recent album, that was released at the top of the
month June fifth, sold only twenty six hundred copies in
its first week.

Speaker 4 (01:53:46):
What was the single even for this song? So I
don't even know what this what was? What was?

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
I don't know?

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
No one knows.

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
And that's the other part hit record here everything even
with all her body positivity, even with all the people
that I'm talking about, the white if the record came
out and with some type of.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
Sem done about it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
But the thing is too uh, you know, the music
should always somewhat reflect the times we're living in and
for her to be now on her third album because
of all the things that she had attached to her,
she hasn't put a record that transcended to connected uh
to those audiences, right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
I will, I was glad.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
It's just more than's more. Yeah, but it's just more
more of the same.

Speaker 5 (01:54:27):
So now it's like what she's not doing records from
a perspective that's relatable to your point before relatable content, right,
So that could be a big part.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Of it too.

Speaker 5 (01:54:36):
And she's she has a lot of ship on her
that you mentioned that she hasn't she should talk.

Speaker 4 (01:54:46):
Please join us on selective people were people were invested
in that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
I would love to have the conversation because I do
think you're right. I think from a and we're in
a in a room where people want to know the person.
Are you accountable? Are you apologetic? Do we have you
confused as a person?

Speaker 5 (01:55:04):
You know how many people would love to say to
hear her say or anyone y'all fucked up? I'm a
human that's like you fucked up yesterday. Well, not only that,
the only difference is she's a celebrity. We don't know
the regular person, right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
No, we're looking at boss women unfortunately too from a
lens of people looking to attack. We'll talk about this
another time, or maybe I'll bring this up on a
bonus episode. Kylie Jenner is being sued by like the
third person that's worked for her. There's a woman that
got hired while she was pregnant who endured a miscarriage.
She is suing Kylie Jenner for the miscarriage, saying that

(01:55:38):
it was a hot and she was overworked and that
led to her miscarriage. And so unfortunately, when you are
also a person a power of money, of we see
people go after checks all the time. And so the
fact that this case was dropped, but it wasn't made
a big deal that it was dropped, She's been held
to the fire of public opinion.

Speaker 5 (01:56:01):
You got to be loud in the in the in
the solution, you know, just as loud as he was
with the accusation.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Yeah, it's a lot, it's it's crazy. It sucks. Uh,
we're not going to get to get to I mean, honestly,
y'all didn't watch BTT Awards. I did.

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
Just want to say clips.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
If you haven't yet, the tribute to Laurne Hill phenomenal
by far, one of the best tributes I've seen at US.

Speaker 4 (01:56:27):
Performance. Phenomenal, uh Duran Bernard, common.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Wash, it was common queen lative, doja cat Sizza dochi
with I think came out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
I think that was for the Angel.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
It was amazing. It was incredible, no notes. She came
out and if you guys can re listen to it,
I saw a clip that compared or referenced Lauren Hill
singing X Factor as a way that Americans can be
living here and I do listen. I'm just gonna pull

(01:57:13):
it up real quick because I.

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
Was having a debate about her again. Oh you know what,
you can be considered the greatest nigga when you're a
special motherfucker. You don't need eighteen albums. She dropped that
one because that was so incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Thirty see it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
I said the same thing because they said, oh, what
about artist, But I was gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:57:33):
Say, uh, Ray Daniels and Mickey Fax and then we're
having that same talking niggas in there talking about the
boy he didn't do this, He only had this many
verses and.

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
About that a good book is a great book, is
a great book. And their life is that the rules
don't apply to everybody, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
That's just what.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
I'm gonna says the point, Huncleberry fit, we still want
to read certain It's like y'all can respect bosk Art
this many years later, if y'all can respect like you literature.
I don't understand why they're.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
We need we we we have enough.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
We could keep going back over and over and over
again because it was so great. It was dense, and
you're gonna go through that ship a million times and
get different things.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
I want to play this real quick.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Who was that work?

Speaker 1 (01:58:23):
Okay, listen to the words. It's a battle loving America
bab kid surpasity.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
She's a Gemini.

Speaker 5 (01:59:05):
By the way, I'm glad she didn't do another album.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
I want to read this.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
You have to recognize that about yourself that no, I
don't have, I don't have My job is complete. There,
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
And someone said that Lauren Hill's X factor perfectly mirrors
our people's relationship with America, and suddenly every lyric feels
heavier a love that never stopped being loved despite the pain,
a loyalty that wasn't always returned, A relationship filled with hope, sacrifice, disappointment,

(01:59:45):
and the constant question of whether the feeling was ever
truly mutual. Maybe that's why the song continues to resonate
decades later. The greatest art often ends up speaking to
something much bigger than what it was originally written about,
and viewed through that lens X factor hits completely differently. Now,
mind you, this is actually from the Global Citizen live

(02:00:08):
in Rio. This was that actual audio, and what I
just read came from Welcome to the Culture.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
When did this album come out? Mis Education Laura nineteen
ninety eight, ninety nine, thirty years.

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
But what I'm saying is it was the late nineties
for sure. So the thing is, you see how relatable
this shit is to today. That's why she don't need
another album ninety eight, right, That's why she don't need
another album because it resonates today, It resonated then, it
resonates today.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
That's timeless, bro.

Speaker 5 (02:00:39):
Yeah, And she gave us her fucking mona, Lisa in
her album.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
She gave us hermona.

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
Hey, you motherfuckers need to just accept it. Don't tell
me about Oh she'd be late.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
The fuck? So what everybody be late? We was late,
y'all was y'all? Fuck, don't fuck me a lightning.

Speaker 5 (02:00:59):
But you could be late, but you could be laying great. Great,
You can be laying great. Sometimes you was late because
you was preparing to be great.

Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
When you die, they call you the late and sometimes.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Oh y'all not getting this? Yeah, hold on.

Speaker 10 (02:01:24):
Because people like paid their heart and money for her
to show and give them a full show. So whenever
she doesn't show up, I think it comes in between
like her.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
The respect that people have for.

Speaker 10 (02:01:35):
Her, half for her. I do think she has had
a couple.

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
They'll get over it.

Speaker 10 (02:01:40):
It's fine, Sure, it's.

Speaker 4 (02:01:41):
Fine, it's fine.

Speaker 10 (02:01:42):
I think she is talented and amazing and like legend.

Speaker 4 (02:01:45):
She is a god for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
But those are things that could be true.

Speaker 4 (02:01:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, those I'm not saying it's not. I'm
just saying we don't have to keep saying that ship
she keeps she hadn't been late, she just been great.

Speaker 1 (02:02:02):
No, she hasn't been great lately.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
Sometimes it wanted to be great.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
You got to meet you, mind you during the beat
towards everyone was like, is Lauren Hill even president?

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
She see her tribute?

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
I love?

Speaker 11 (02:02:13):
That's crazy, right, but I think it's over usage now.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
It's like this she does over the last I would
say seven years that haven't been a thing. No, no, no, yeah,
I was gonna last and sixty and then I will.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I will stick up for her yet again.

Speaker 5 (02:02:36):
Bulls gave grace to Marion and these niggas on fucking.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
Was behind last year. In essence, she was late, but
that was not her fault. I do also want to say,
leading into fourth of July weekend, I will be in
New Orleans essence year. If you are out and about,
please speak to me, say hi, all the things before

(02:03:03):
we leave out too. Not to make it dark. I
want to send my prayers and wishes and miracle angels
over to Chris Johnson.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
CJ is someone I know from Orlando. I've known him
for oh my god, I don't know fifteen years plus.
Chris Johnson was a former player on the Tennessee Titans.
He used to go by CJ two K. He was
a phenomenal athlete who recently just went on Good Morning

(02:03:41):
America and shared with Michael Strahan that he is battling als. Yep,
thirty nine years old, the father of four children, married
to Britt. I'm so glad that he has you in
his circle, in his realm right now. His former teammate
reached out to me and is like, he's been crying
all day. I don't want to cry. It's just sad.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
He's thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:05):
He literally right now, if you guys watched the Good
Morning America interview, he's talking with his eyes. Technology is
allowing him to talk through him, like looking at letters
on a screen. He can't talk. He can't talk, he
can't move. This he has a case of sporadic als,

(02:04:25):
which did not run in his family. Is not genetic.
It happened, and he's declined drastically. Looking at his social media,
he stopped posting in June, this is also a lot
to see he can't talk. We've had so many conversations
over the last years. He's been wanting to pod. He
came to my studio New York. He's tapping in with
me to podcast. So to see that he literally cannot

(02:04:47):
talk at thirty nine years old is really hard. So
if y'all could send prayers, best of wishes, all the
things to Chris Johnson and his family that would be great.
Other than that, Friday, me and my girl Keiki from
Cocktails Podcast will be going over all things bab Listen, listen.

Speaker 4 (02:05:18):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
If you guys want to hear my thoughts on the
B two K versus Pretty Ricky that went down last Thursday,
I'm talking about it with a girl because I don't
know if y'all can really give it up like I
want to give it up about can y'all cannot?

Speaker 4 (02:05:33):
I cannot. I know who I am and I cannot
give it up. You cannot.

Speaker 1 (02:05:37):
But also, y'all weren't connected to Pretty Ricky and B
two K the way that you never had. Yeah, so
I brought in reinforcements to have the discussion.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
Versus to did you hear that?

Speaker 1 (02:05:54):
I don't know if y'all heard so. Right when they
go to start singing honey and people were texted me
and shout out to the discord for noticing it. As
they started Honey and Spectacular pulled out the chair pleasure
p literally was like, hey, man, ain't nobody spitting no
honey and no bound.

Speaker 4 (02:06:12):
During this performance?

Speaker 1 (02:06:14):
Is literally said, none of that is happening, but it
was hilarious. Shout out to Spectacular Pleasure, Pee, Baby Blue,
Pretty Ricky and Slick them best setting condolences and wishes
to you and your journey as well. But anyways, yeah,
if y'all want to hear that.

Speaker 4 (02:06:30):
I got one last thing.

Speaker 5 (02:06:31):
I noticed something before about the story with the girl
that took the trash can when yo, me and D
pulled up what she got going on?

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
What she got going on?

Speaker 5 (02:06:40):
Yo?

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
She has a podcast? She doesn't? Yes, she does, wait
for the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Oh you're not.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
Pull it up again? Talk about you? The name of
the fight and everything.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Wait a second, he pulled that up, Yo. Her name
was Angie Bias.

Speaker 4 (02:06:59):
Podcast I'm talking about. I think it was.

Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
It was on another platform that had when we were
trying to figure out what her name was. It was
there saying oh, she's such and such and such. She
has a podcast called about this, that and the.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
Third where is it that? No, that's.

Speaker 4 (02:07:18):
If you go back to her that the so go
back to that profile that that was there.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
Maybe you saw a podcaster it was this.

Speaker 4 (02:07:33):
It was it was on ship. It was on the
Google search that came.

Speaker 1 (02:07:37):
We're looking for y'all, Caul. Y'all can look up Angie,
she gonna need your podcast. Listen.

Speaker 5 (02:07:41):
There we go, the unconscious bias that I actually really
liked that name. Well she might be say she got
all the time in the world.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Now, the unconscious bias.

Speaker 5 (02:07:53):
I actually believe that's a hard She ain't got no
active episode.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
No no, no, let me read this. Oh no, that's
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