What Does Forgiveness Look Like To You? | Bonus Episode - Selective Ignorance with Mandii B

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance, a production
of the Black Impact Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Hey, y'all.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome. We back.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
We here. It's another episode. Selective Ignorance. I don't know
how ignorant y'all are going to be this episode.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I actually think I've been quite delectable, if that's a word.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I've been demure.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
I don't like your face.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Delectable is more about being tasty and delicious.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Which you have every right to feel that you are
as tasty as you want to be.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Wait, have my takes not been delectable?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You got to ask them, the people that's watching and listening.
Who's eating the food?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
I think they watch to disagree with me.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
People actually hate when they... And I don't like that.
Let me actually call the motherfuckers out. Because between all
my pods, every goddamn week, Y'all could just say, dang,
I agree with you, Mandy. You don't need to preface
it with.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I never agree with Mandy. So I can't believe I'm
going to say this. But whoa, Mandy was right.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
She's always wrong. But I agree with her here. That's
how I read those comments, too. Because why the fuck
do you have to say all of that? Just say,
you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Dang.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Manny made a point. You don't have to say how
much you never agree with me. You actually hate, you're
disgusted that you actually agree with me. Y'all gotta chill.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I think, I would encourage them to differentiate Mandy B
from Decisions and Mandy B from Selective ignorance?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Give those two Mandis a chance. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Just give us both a chance separately. The topics are different.
The topics are different, first off.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Right, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm very understanding that in the U.S. of A, people
would more so align with a cheater, an abuser, a
rapist before they align with someone who just wants to
have two boyfriends. So I get it. I am a
non-traditional person in my views of relationships, of love, of

(02:05):
the government that, you know, involves themselves when you put
a ring on a finger and sign a paper. And
so I get like, I get like people's need to like,
you know, by the way, by the way, can I
also just add at the top here?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Cause why not?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I love love. I'm here for the way in which
anyone wants to celebrate and announce and proclaim their love.
So I would like to shout out to everyone newly engaged.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
To newly engaged. To everyone newly moved in, cohabitating.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
To everyone newly expecting. To everyone who just had a baby.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
To everyone who is unified and finding.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Their peace with the loves of their lives.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
That's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I love it and that is such a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
That's always a goal.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And the way that I love just might be a
little different.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
And I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
And it's fair and we could all love the way
we love.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And so I just want to shout out to love.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Would you get engaged twice? Two separate, two... Well, they
say third time's a charm. No, I mean, if you're
dating two men. And they both want to have the
same aspiration. So here's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Here's the other thing, right? And this is why I
say people have a hard time accepting who I am.
The government doesn't allow that. Would I take two rings
from niggas? I'll take two cars, two houses. Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I forgot somebody tried to give her. Oh yeah, no,
I've been proposed to.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I think it was, you know, tricky.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Not really a real proposal. It wasn't a real proposal.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
It was a public proposal. Nonetheless, That's why my heart sank. Nigga,
I got to say no in front of all these people.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I will take a material item for multiple men.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Jewelry, house, cars, all the things. I just don't want
to feel as though the government that doesn't protect us,
the business arrangements that I have been a part of
that have led me to court and get sued and
all these things that have taken way longer. A person
has been in my life longer than I wanted them
because of court, because of a business arrangement. I no

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longer want to experience that again. It's that simple. But
I do want to live life and experience a person
in a healthy way.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
And I love love. So I need y'all to stop
thinking I don't. I do.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Maybe that should be a clip.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Maybe a clip of Mandy admitting that she loves love.
Maybe that needs to offset the marriages for broke hoes,
but I love love.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I love love. You know what I said? The fullness.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I love these niggas.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I do.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
People, even they hop in the comments and they're like,
oh my God, all your content is male bashing. I
love men.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I think she bashes whatever the scenario allows.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I bash women. They say that I fucking cape for
men too much.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Like, which one is it?

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Is it Uchiwale or is it One Mike, guys?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Don't do this.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Is it Uchiwale or is it One Mike?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I hate that.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Y'all gotta stop saying, like, which one is it? I
am an equal opportunist.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
They don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I think, honestly, a lot of people want to live
free as you do, but they're in a situation where
it might be too late.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So they're like, ah, they're projecting. That's what I was
going to say.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's painful for people to agree with people that they
generally disagree with.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's painful for some people.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's difficult for people to get up the.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
the gumption, the internal effort that it takes to be like,
I don't fuck with this person.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
But they write about the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
You know what's crazy?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes. That hurts people.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
It does hurt them.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, it's a difficult thing for people to do.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
It, like, fucks with them emotionally.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, cognitive dissonance is, like, a real thing. Yes,
it is.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
People have trouble holding multiple ideas that are conflicting. Because
the truth of the matter is, is that, like, As
much as we call out, like, hypocrisy on this show
and in the world in general, like, but that is...
Hypocrisy is the natural state of human beings.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, it's the hypocrisy and bias.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And bias, yeah. But we all have these things.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
There's people that will align with someone that they like
even if they don't agree with them.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Don't agree with them because they like them.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
More than.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Someone who's actually right about a thing that they dislike.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Why y'all dislike me so much?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Step in the name of love.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
By the way, by the way, and I say that,
I say that for the people that I hate watching,
only because I do want to shout out the patrons,
my supporters, the people that I get to see in
real life.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
A lot more people do fuck with me than that. Don't.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
And not for nothing, like, We see that when we
go out into the actual world. I've never been out
with Mandy one time and somebody tried to run down. Like,
I've never seen that ever in my life. All I
see is people showing love. And so like, that's what,

(07:01):
you know, the internet is not a real place. And
so it's like, yeah, that's what you're going to get
because people have been socialized to talk shit over Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But in actual life, that's not what goes on.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Some of them same people who showed her love probably
was in the comments talking shit, but because she's.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Not remembering who, in the moment, you're not remembering who
said what. Correct. I bet you those are the same people,
for sure. Yeah, they want acknowledgement, which is why, like...
They need hugs. Yeah. I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Once again... I just got to give you your just
due because you don't really do it as much. But
the way you be arguing with them motherfuckers in the comments,
I just always.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Have to know. Oh, yeah. I like to show up.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
When we had the Aubrey conversation and your mans got
in there, that's when I said, oh, you got it.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm cool, bro. Because what they're asking,
most of them people are just asking for acknowledgement. And like...
There's a commenter right now, the barber dude. Going back
and forth about Master P. About Master P. About the
harping on... Y'all lame for cutting it up that way.
That's what I don't like.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Well, that's the other thing. I tell people to... Feel
free to go listen to the full conversation.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
They won't. They won't. And they don't.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And he literally was like, well, if you landed here
from the clip, the clip is a micro cut of
what that conversation was actually probably about eight to nine minutes.
There's three different opinions. It leaned heavily into just yours.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
We dissected it.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
We brought up fucking Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
And you defended a man you never met or funded
anything you got going on.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
But they want to be mad. That's why they're not
going to listen to the whole thing. They don't want
to know the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Misery loves company, so they hop on the internet.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
They just want to know this part that makes them mad.
Once they get past two sentences in their comments, I'm
tuning out. You writing all that shit, bro.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, because they're 250 square foot apartment. They can't have company.
So they have to then hop onto the internet in
order to have company.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
And I need some of them to know that you
can say whatever you want to, but.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
We're going to say something back.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh, and do back. And I told y'all. Stay blessed.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Don't have ugly kids. Anyways, let's go ahead and give
our condolences.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes. I was going to say, or dead loved ones.
But speaking of dead loved ones.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh, you got an RIP in your thing too.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Because they're rolling in their grave.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, they're embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Seeing how you're spending your time on earth.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, you've embarrassed them. Whether in heaven or hell, they're
looking at you like.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
What the fuck? Why the fuck? I would be living
my life better.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Better if it wasn't for your dumb ass.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
Better.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let's get into it. All of the people that have
passed away over the last.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Man, so many people.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
We can have two weeks.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's been a lot.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
They say it's supposed to happen in threes, but I
feel like this shit has happened in sixes or ten. Yeah,
it's been a lot of people, notable people that we
beloved for one reason or another who have.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Passed away recently. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Are you going to give us the names?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
The names? Who are those people, Who are those people?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
As most of us know, Dolly Parton recently passed and
that hurt a lot of people. And it was interesting
how the reaction to that and even how like black
people were deeply mourning the loss of Dolly Parton because
of how deeply she was an ally for us and

(10:18):
for other people, other marginalized groups. Like, Dolly was really
one of the white women who you could, like, depend
on to be on the right side of something.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
And.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Can I ask you?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Only because I haven't seen it. I've seen her in
interviews with other Black women.

Speaker 5 (10:35):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I do know her book program.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
That has continued... Mm-hmm. to put books in the hands
of children, millions.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Apparently.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
you sign up for this program that she has and
they sent out a book a month.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now, was that to Black and Brown kids specifically?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh, no, that was just for every, that was just
for child literacy.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
In what ways, only because I wasn't familiar and I
didn't see it. I saw all of the praise. What
has she done to align herself with us? Outside of
given Whitney Houston, that record. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Like, how else was she a part of our community
so much?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Well, she was definitely outspoken about Black Lives Matter during
that time period.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay. And defending against.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
This idea of, you know, they try to all lives
matter us and her kind of explaining in interviews, like.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
That's not that.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And when they say Black Lives Matter, being someone who
is a white person who actually explained what that was,
why the white people took it seriously or not. Like
she was on the side of, no, you can't just
say this isn't racist. What they're saying. They're talking about
the injustices that they face. Um, she also donate. She
also took a lot of money and invested it into, uh,

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Nashville and into Tennessee, into areas that were predominantly black
neighborhoods and built up infrastructure and things like that. From
the royalties from the I Will Always.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Love You record.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Yeah, from that song. So the royalties, she used the
royalties from that record. and put it back into black
communities in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I really like that.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, millions and millions of dollars.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
And she called it, I believe the area which she
did that was called the Whitney.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It was the House that Whitney built.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
It's like an office facility complex and it's called the
House that Whitney built.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
That is incredible.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I know you pulled up some more if you want
to zoom into that. The Imagination Library is the literacy
program that mailed over 300 million books to children. Um,
her support of black artists. Okay. I do know that
she supported, uh, Cowboy Carter.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
And get again, just allowing her to, to sample, uh, Jolene, uh,
broad community philanthropy.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Dolly was on it.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And it's like, and there was a, there was a
post that a white woman did that went viral talking
about like, basically she was saying like, Talking to white
women saying, do you see how the black community is
mourning Dolly Parton?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
And she said, I want to be more. What do
I do to be more?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
You should be more like that.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
If you want to be remembered in that kind of way,
you want to be cherished in that kind of way.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Like those are the type of things that like black people.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
But it's only when you care.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
It's only when you actually care.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
About black people and the community, because it's interesting seeing
what's happening with Miss Rachel right now. Oh, my fucking God.
Miss Rachel was Barney. Is current day Barney, right? But
her actual face.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
And to see the backlash.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That she's receiving... How bad they hate her.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Because she said that Black Lives Matter.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Black Lives Matter, pro-Palestine, all of those things. It is.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
And so that's the thing. Post-mortem, you don't ever really
get to see the love and the impact you make, right?
But seeing... in present day, what Ms. Rachel is dealing with,
not at all to compare it to me, but the
toll it takes on your mental health to see how
many people are against you.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Hate you and have that kind of vitriol for the
things that you say.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
For you actually just caring about other people.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I don't like that shit. Specifically.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Specifically black people.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
And what we said in the last episode in the
two-day drop, what we talked about, every day, race is
in our face.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
But not only race, look at the toll it takes
for people who align themselves and want to be allies
with the LGBTQ plus community.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Look at the people who have.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
To align and be, even if we talk about it,
the activists that are pro-rehabilitation in prison. There's just things
that the trans rights, seeing what people stepping outside of
the WNBA and what's happening there. You take hits. And
a lot of people knowing that we still got to

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pay rent. We're raising kids. We have to go to work.
We're already battling the traumas that we have from childhood.
And now you're, you're taking on the mental health of
people attacking you for genuinely wanting better for a subset
group of people.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Which is why I don't, you know, we talked about
on the Tuesday drop about the conservative Black woman that
I was on a CNN panel with. And one of
the things she said before, they were micing us up,
the production assistant was making a joke like, yeah, when
we have to go through and mic people up, we'll
call them, in a control room, they might call them

(15:24):
puppets because you have all these wires attached, strings attached
to you. And a Black woman laughed like, oh, ha ha,
they call me a puppet all the time. And she
was kind of talking about how it's so hard for
her to be a black conservative. But I don't feel
bad for y'all taking those hits because y'all aren't taking
hits in response to trying to help other people. You're

(15:47):
taking hits for being aloofing. And it's two very different things.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I don't know if you could say that because then
it brings up to where we have to have the
cognitive dissonance to... she's helping somebody who's like her.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
She's upholding something. I don't know if she's helping.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Well, she's upholding.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
White supremacy and whiteness. We uphold capitalism.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
We uphold a lot of systems that we don't agree
with either just by participating in them.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
No, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about
what are you actually fighting for? Like, you're trying to
go out of your way to make it so that...
These ideals that you think are important.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Are protecting her and her beliefs.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's not people, though.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
No, but there's a lot of people that align with
those beliefs.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Those are harming people. That's not helping people. Let's be
very clear.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
The Christian church harms a lot of people, too.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
And yet we uphold what that religious structure looks like.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
You said not allowing them to do what?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
To live in their truth. to be gay to like
you're shunned into it's a part of like but that's
what I'm saying like.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
A lot of things are subjective but Christianity in particular
and I'm not defending Christianity but I will say that
it's rooted in the principles of what it is to
be a Christian which is probably anti.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Anti LGBT anti when they talk about the story of
Sodom and Gomorrah no no no there's a lot of
Sodomy in the Bible but they destroy Sodom and Gomorrah
but there's no no no while they was fucking the
whole village. What I'm saying is there's a lot of
gay sex in the Bible. It doesn't ever say you
can't do this, though. Like, the Bible is actually not anti-gay.

(17:24):
Nowhere in the Bible does it say bitches can't eat
coochie and niggas can't suck dick. They actually are fucking
a lot of assholes.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
In the Bible.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
And you're reading the story, but nowhere does it say
it was a wrong thing, you will be stoned, God
will come down and be like, don't do it.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
So, no.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
When was the last time you picked up a Bible?

Speaker 1 (17:43):
You doesn't say dude i don't know i can't no
no because what you're not gonna do is when was
the last time you read the word though you.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Know i'm saying because honestly d was laughing and i
and i automatically thought with the comment section.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Bring it up make it make it make it bigger
bro look at this the english word homosexual didn't even
appear until 1946.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
So who came up with the shit? In an English
Bible translation, you ready?

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Quite a problem. A white master that had slaves that
probably was fighting his own internalized fucking gay agenda of
his own self.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
He was probably raping his slaves in the boot hole.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
In Romania? What region? No, all of that.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Greek mythology, all of that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
If you really go back.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
To the ancient times, mad gay sex all over the place.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Even the statue. I haven't been to Greece, but I've
heard in Greece they have all the.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
There's a lot of sexual stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know how black people couldn't be in certain productions?
Because black actors, that wasn't a thing, which is also
where the black face came. They still had to depict
them somehow. Same thing happened with women. Women weren't allowed
in theater for a long time.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
So it was men playing women. It was on stage kissing.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Gay?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Just because she got a wig don't mean that ain't
a man. But what I'm saying is, like, there's nowhere
in the Bible that was homophobic, like, where it said
you cannot be gay. And so the English translation of
this being interpreted by, however, because they decided what makes
things wrong, is what I'm saying where, no, Christianity is

(19:18):
not rooted in homophobia. It's, again, just the way the
translation of niggas bringing in their own biases and their
own beliefs into a religion to continuously teach that something
is wrong when there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Wrong with being gay. When they talk about sin, right?

Speaker 1 (19:33):
How is fucking in the ass a sin? No, no, no.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
I'm saying just the act of sex before marriage being
sin regardless of if it's same sex or.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Not same sex. I'm just saying those things are principled
in the Ten Commandments. So it's like.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Okay, so you fucking before marriage, you fucking before marriage.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
How do you know I did that?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You not married, nigga.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
But this is making my point, though. Maybe I'm a
40-year-old virgin.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You're not that.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
All right. Yo, that's great. It was a white man. Oh,
that's him?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
What are we talking about? Look up the history. Like,
the idea that we also keep aligning, like... So, back
to what I was saying. When we're talking about the
upholding of systems, her system... Her belief system, we, even though, yes,
it negatively impacts our belief structure, for her, it doesn't.
She wants to keep it because she believes there's a

(20:26):
benefit for her and her people. If we have cognitive dissonance,
we can't sit here and say that her platforming, her
belief system is any more... wrong than what we do
on this.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh no i absolutely i absolutely can i absolutely will
talk tell me her belief system is whatever her belief
system is if your belief system is about impugning the
humanity of other people then you're not helping anyone her
belief system is about her and what she believes god
is going to do for her after she dies and
all that other shit that's fine that's not helping anyone

(21:01):
here that's not helping anybody on earth that's not adding
to anyone's humanity that's not recognizing people and who they
are here on Earth. Whatever happens after you die is fine,
but I'm not going to sit here and say that
because they believe what they believe, that their beliefs are
the same as other people's beliefs.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
That's not how that's going to work for me.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, she didn't necessarily bring up God, even in her take,
if we go back to that painting, even her talking
about the emasculation. She was talking about a system here
that she believes needs change.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Help.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So essentially, even that she's like, if we want more
black men in the households, we got to stop emasculating them.
Like in her mind, her solutions and her problems just
probably look different than ours. But what I'm saying is
in in conversations of upholding whatever systems of belief we
want to believe in. These conversations have to continue happening,
but also while recognizing there's certain systems that we uphold

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as well that are harmful to our own people, i.e.
the church, i.e. Christianity.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But that's not the same thing as Miss Rachel.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
What I'm talking about is Miss Rachel or Dolly Parton,
which is weird with Dolly Parton because even conservative white
people were mourning Dolly Parton, and I'm like, Shouldn't y'all
be calling her a woke puppet of the leftists? But
y'all don't give a fuck because she sang some country music.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
She was a white blonde with big titties. That was
louder than her. Than what she was actually saying. But
you chose Miss Rachel to beat up.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
That's why I even asked you.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
To be fair.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Dolly Parton, her music was grander. Her career was grander
than her activism.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
And I think right now.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
They chose it to be that way.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
But I also think... Right.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Because she wasn't quiet about... None of this shit was
on the law. She wasn't quiet, but she... But it
was suppressed. If you go to Tennessee or... Not even Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
You go to Midwest somewhere at some breakfast spot, they're
playing the tunes in the jukebox.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Of course. They're not thinking about what she did. They're
not thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
No, they're not.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
However, in where... Again, I could blame the administration. In
an era where... We know that hatred, we know that racists,
we know that homophobia, we know that transphobia are all taught.
A lot of the people are upset that Miss Rachel
is now teaching their kids to love. Her platform is

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so grand, is so big. Now her voice, her voice
is big. She's now using what she does to talk.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
To talk about other stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Did Dolly Parton have a song? For, like, did she
use her voice and the music that she was putting
out in an activating, like, to activate that, to.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
I don't know all of Dolly Parton's catalogs. I can't
even pretend to know, like, what her whole thing is.
But what I'm saying is, Ms.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Rachel is now using her actual platform to be political.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Sure, yeah, absolutely. Well, if you think of a guy
like Bruce Springsteen, right? Born in the USA. He speaks
highly against this administration. So does Kid Rock.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
No, Kid Rock is poor. But his supporters, they overlooked
that part. And they'll still go sell out a Bruce
Springsteen concert.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's the same thing with Rage Against the Machine.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Rage Against the Machine whole platform, when you go and
you look at these concerts at that time, especially like
in the late 80s, early 90s, You're looking at a
crowd of hundreds of thousands, 200,000 people at Lollapalooza rocking
the fuck out. And a lot of them people grew
up and now they're MAGA. And they love Rage Against
the Machine. And everything that Rage Against the Machine was
talking about is the shit that.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Donald Trump is doing.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
That's the whole point is fuck all of these motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And they just, oh, I don't, I just like the music.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Speaking of these bands, I will tell you, did not know,
ignorant take. There was a concert this week, ACDC.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
That's one of the biggest.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Can I tell y'all the amount of shirts they've had
at Forever 21? I thought they were dead. I thought
this was such an old band.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
That they're not even around no more. Rockers don't die.
They had different drugs. 204. Like, how the fuck? They
don't want that new meth. And then when I was
in Chicago a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Foo Fighters concert. And I was just like, holy fuck.
I said, is U2 still alive? Is Bon Jovi still alive?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Is Bon Jovi still alive? And I realized, I.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Was like, god damn. I thought these niggas was out
in the 50s, 60s.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
When did ACDC come out? By the 70s, probably.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
But they just had a concert.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Sold out, probably. I'm sure of it.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
State Farm?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Sold out. It might have actually been Mercedes-Benz.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It was a lot of bikes. No, it might have been.
For sure. Megadeth. Yeah, Megadeth.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
All of them niggas been selling out.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
They won't put out an album for 800 years. And
they be like, oh yeah, we're doing a show over here.
Ozzy Osbourne just checked out. And that nigga was high
and sick forever.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't even know a version of Ozzy Osbourne that
wasn't fucked up.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
And that nigga just checked out.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Look how we celebrated. Jay doing it.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
These niggas, you're right, don't put out music but can
sell out arenas.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
80,000 people will show up. And their audience don't complain about, oh,
he's 50 years old because these niggas are 80. Yeah,
they don't care about that shit. But it's us, niggas.
Niggas always complain about some shit. Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons
has been sticking his tongue out. You know why? No, no, no.
You know why?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's the same way we talk about.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
We don't see ourselves in the long term.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Not even the long term. It's the way that we
have to excel and show, like, this amount... The fucking
podcast on Netflix. The production quality of some of those
white pods compared to the black pods that got selected
to be on Netflix?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Night and fucking day.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's literally 1080p versus 4K.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Right. It's niggas being at.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Their house to us having to pay for a whole
studio set up.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And I can tell Mandy's been pissed off about this
for a while now.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
She just let that off. Yeah. No, but listen. Hold on.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
And that's just the race. Let's not get into the
list of 20 highest paid podcasters and none were women.
when you have Michelle Obama as a podcaster, when you
have Amy Poehler as a podcaster, when Kiki.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Palmer as a podcaster. Maybe they're in 360 deals.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
But regardless, that means these men are getting deals that.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Or they're misrepresenting that list.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Maybe the list is not telling the truth.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Also, let's just highlight all the men. Either way.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Was her name on there? Was Call Me Daddy on there?

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
It was black women that weren't on there. That's why
I just named.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Oh, Michelle Obama, right.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Oh, Amy Poehler was white, sorry.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Amy Poehler, right.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
There was a Latina?

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Who? Who? What kind of Mexican? What is what kind
of Mexican? Is she leaning left or right Mexican? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Is she white presenting?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Is she... Could she have.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Played like J-Lo and made in Manhattan? You know how
J-Lo be out here playing Italians and shit.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Was she like the Goya CEO? Like that kind of Mexican? Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay, so no, you had Hanna-Byrne. Okay, so there's three women.
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
He's full MAGA.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
No, there's four women. You have Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
You have.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Mel Robbins.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Mel Robbins.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And then you do have the Giggly Squad, which is
Hannah Burner.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
They're comedians.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
So you have three... Well, Giggly Squad is a duo.
So you have four white women, not one black woman
on this list. The rest are men.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
The rest are men. Damn.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
The rest are men. And if I'm not mistaken... Joe
Budda may be the only black man.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
What list is this that we're looking at here?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
The top 20.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
This is not the Netflix list that you were referring to. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
This is just the- The top 20 highest paid podcasts.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
It was a Time magazine.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
It was a Time or something like that.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
They did their own- I think, what was it last
year when they came?

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Top of the year this year or last year the
Hollywood Reporter came out with a list too Hollywood Reporter
and they did the podcast it might have actually been
Forbes and it was no people of color I feel
like it was Forbes yeah maybe it was no person
of color no you gotta look up.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Not top podcasters it's highest paid podcasters it's okay I
gave the list but yeah like so like when we
talk about like the the realm in which we have
to show.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Up overall overall compared to all these other people.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah Yeah, they get so much money.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Oh, they get big bread. They get so much money.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
The only thing is with them, this celebrity had a name,
football actor.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
They did.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, but to be fair, even if we talk
about celebrities, a lot of the people on this list,
Joe Rogan had an outstanding career prior to this. Amy Poehler,
a comedian, Bill Simmons, Jay Shetty, they all, Charlamagne, radio
for 20 years. Like, We still are also in a
space where the celebrities, the one who did it right,

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the one who got in the game early enough, they
came in and ate.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And stayed.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
It's the consistency. Who was I just talking to? Oh,
I was just, Maino was just on the pod. And
I literally was like, I'll be honest with you. Didn't
think four rappers would even have more than 20 episodes.
I'm really proud to see that y'all are here a
year later.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Right. I give him the credit for that.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Because he's somebody who's already been in the pod space
trying to figure it out and never stopped.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
He didn't.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
He kept trying to figure out, figure out, figure out.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And, you know, credit to him. Big credit.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
But yeah, I mean, a lot of people stop and go.
Or what we're seeing right now is people not even
wanting to start or invest in themselves because they're waiting
for a check.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
To be there. Right, waiting for the money to be
given to them.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Yeah, I spoke to somebody recently that was super engaged
and trying to get in the space and And whoop-de-whoo.
And I did a check and like, hey, whoo. And
it was like, you know, they're going to put it
on hold for now.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
And I'm like.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Why?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Because of the investment?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
No reason. I was going to say, is it somebody
that has money?

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Is it someone that has money that wants money?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
They have a name.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
And for my assessment, they should be able to fund it.
Have resources to make it right. But sometimes that don't
even matter.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Speaking of someone that I'm so excited for.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
But also that. has been receiving interesting backlash this week.
Shout out The Vic Mensa Show.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Have you not?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I've seen him get a lot of praise. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
The backlash.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I saved it. What's the backlash?

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You've seen it. Y'all got to get.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
In and start reading.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
No, I've seen the celebration of it.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Like, yo, the numbers reflect it, too. Like, he's doing well.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
No, the numbers are great.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So I did save it. I bookmarked it so that
we could talk about it. So The Vic Mensa Show
recently aired. his first guest was Chance the Rapper.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
And the backlash that I saw specifically had to do
with Black men. So they felt two things.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
The backlash that was received was that this was a
vulnerable conversation that shouldn't have been had on the mic.
That's the first thing.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Even this, this comment section does not deserve to even
see a conversation like this. Sad to see this entire
comment section is full of dudes throwing around negative responses
and unhealthy levels of ignorance. I guess understanding the humility
in the moment isn't common.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
What exactly is the.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
So basically the backlash is, the conversation is a few things.
It is them talking about the bumpy road in their friendship.
It is also the fact that Chance admits to stopping
an opportunity for Vic Mensa at a time that he

(32:30):
feels like could have helped his career, at a time
that Chance was like, I just needed it for myself
and I thought we were too much on the same
thing that I didn't want to share the stage with you.
And he's like, yo, that as a friend, how do
you do that? As a friend, how do you not
allow an opportunity that you know would have helped me?

(32:51):
And They share. It's a really heartfelt moment.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
And people are mad at that?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
People are mad that this was a conversation that got saved.
Vic cries?

Speaker 5 (33:01):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh, he cries. Oh, Vic cries and says, I had
to go back and live with my parents and was
looking for change in the couch.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
That's real. So people are like, this conversation didn't need
to be happened on camera. It should have been.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
They're entertainers. That is the point of why they're doing
this shit. They want to show people the vulnerability. And
in most cases, somebody would have got hurt. Not on
the platform, but I'm talking about before we even had
the conversation. So they were able to live through that,
still be cordial, and say, you know what, let's address
the elephant in the room. And get to a place
where we can embrace each other better.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
And it's interesting because career-wise, Vic is more disgust than
Chance the Rapper. From a social standpoint, I would say.
He's more visible currently. I'm curious to know if y'all
have ever fell out with a friend.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I've never tried to stop a nigga from, I've actually
did the opposite. As much as I was like, man,
if it made sense, I would, I just step, stay
out the way. I wouldn't even try to block it.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I let it go.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Has anyone ever tried to block you?

Speaker 2 (34:10):
I do believe that. I do believe that.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Do you have an example?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I will not say that.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
But I do believe that. And it's a thing.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
What about you, John?

Speaker 4 (34:18):
In a male-dominated space, in these spaces of entertainment, these
Negroes ain't shit.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I mean, the bitches either. I've never blocked anybody from anything.
And I can't say that I've ever felt that someone
has tried to block me from something, but possibly so.
But as far as falling out with a friend or
falling out with somebody over some shit, like, I... I

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feel like the falling out wasn't really on me, but
it was on them. During the 2016 times of Trump
and the election and all that kind of shit, we're
having conversations in our group chat. And I got a
guy that I went to high school with that we
had been cool since seventh.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Eighth grade.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
And during this time, he was always being weird. Not
being weird about Trump, but we talk about the election
and Hillary. And he would always bring up this point about, well,
you know, Yeah, we know the polls say this. The
poll says that Hillary is supposed to blow this nigga out,
but you can't never account for the people who say
they're going to vote for Hillary, but are really going
to vote for Trump. He would always say this and

(35:20):
always say this. And I would be like, I never
thought nothing about it until election day when he was like, well,
you know, y'all are lucky for me to be telling
you my private business, but I voted for Trump.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
He was warming you up. Yeah, he was trying to
get there at some point. He didn't know how to.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
To him, he treated like he was coming out gay. Yeah,
he knew where we stood about it. And so he
felt a type of way about it. And I was like, well,
I'm not a... I wasn't coming at him necessarily, but
I'm not going to bite my tongue about how stupid
I feel like the whole Trump shit is. And I
don't think that he can handle that. And so he
just removed himself. He didn't respond. He didn't really communicate anymore.

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And I didn't feel the need to keep communicating with him.
And it just was what it was.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I'm at an impasse on the correlation between political, religious
views and someone's friend, like in a friendship. But yeah,
I don't know. I saw the discourse around this.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Have you been in that scenario? Do you think?

Speaker 5 (36:27):
Um.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I've definitely tried to put people in a position. I'm
trying to think. Have I had someone go out of
their way to keep me from an opportunity?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
That you're aware of.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I've had people question my capability.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Which is also kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I've had, not friends, but someone who I would assume
should be an ally or not. So I've fought a
lot for being a voice or a host or... landing
a role in an organization where a black woman is
the determining factor. Where I've had to have others or

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black men fight to defend my ability to do a
job as a black woman. And then when I get
on the call to see who was against having me,
I'm explaining and defending myself.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
As a black woman to other black women.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
So that's happened with... It's happened quite a bit where like, whoa,
you're trying to take money out of a black woman's pocket.
And so I have to come here and defend that.
I can carry myself well, master. Why am I defending
how I can show up for a job to a
black woman?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And so that has been definitely happened, which has happened
multiple times. And that's kind of weird. That's kind of weird.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
It's interesting that you're bringing up this, that there's this
backlash about the Chance and Vic conversation because.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Because it's the conversation of also showing to the vulnerability
of Black men specifically, because for some that could appear emasculating, like,
oh girl, right? But also, sometimes when things are done
in front of a camera... people can question the genuineness
in it.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Oh, yeah, the cynical nature of people's... Is it just
for content?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Were you trying... Like, if that's your friend, was this
brought up on camera for clicks? Or is this a
conversation that could have been done in private? And I
feel like sometimes I teeter the line the same way
you said you're not going to tell the story of
your friend for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
It's hard for me to withhold the name of somebody
you know.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And so.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
But it's also like, I feel like that would apply if, like,
someone was tricked To all of a sudden, we're going
to have a conversation. All of a sudden, I just
bring up something personal that we hadn't discussed ahead of time.
But these are two grown men who knew what they
were going to talk about and sat down and talked
about it.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know how we do when we pregame, right? We
talk about it on the show.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I can see them on the phone like, yo, I'm
going to talk.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
You know what? I don't even want to.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Because the crying part, that's authentic. Yeah, because why can't
it be both? So he'd probably say, yo, let's just
talk about it when you pull up. Yeah, because people.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Say four clicks as if four clicks means is the
code for disingenuous.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Obviously, they're having the conversation. It's his first guess. Yeah,
they want people to watch the show and engage in
the conversation. What better way to elicit a conversation about
us being vulnerable and having this thing?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
So yeah, it is for clicks. That doesn't mean that
it's fake.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
But the funny, the reason I say it's interesting because
for those people who don't watch boxing or follow boxing,
there's a boxer named Andre Ward. He has a podcast called,
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Called The Art of Ward.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
And he recently sat down with a friend of his
who was also a fellow boxer named Chad Dawson. And
they had this conversation about They fought each other, but
they were cool. They had a certain admiration for each other,
but it got ugly in the promo of this fight.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
And things were said, and it got personal, and it
got out of pocket a little bit. And Andre Ward
and Chad sat down, and Andre admitted to the nigga, like,
that whole thing hurt me because I didn't even want
to fight you.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Like, I respect you. I was a fan of yours.
I didn't even want to fight you.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
The shit got crazy and it got kind of ugly
between us and it was never supposed to get like that.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
And he apologized to the man.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
You could see that Andre was like emotional about the
fact that he had engaged in some foolery that attacked
his friend when it was just supposed to be a
boxing match. And everybody in the comments is like, yeah,
these is real niggas right here. This is real men
having real conversation. So I'm not saying it's the same people,
but it's just interesting that one One set of men

(40:45):
can have a conversation that's vulnerable and honest and apologize
to one another for things that they did or said
to one another. And another group of men can have
that same conversation and everybody's like, ah, y'all niggas is
some pussies. Y'all niggas is bitches. Y'all niggas is, why
y'all talking about this on camera? And it's like, when
Isaiah Thomas and Magic Johnson had their vulnerable conversation about

(41:06):
Magic and Michael Jordan, all them people, essentially conspiring to
keep Zeke off the Olympic team, even though he deserved
to be there, because he was an icon just like
all the rest of them. Magic apologized to that man,
and Zeke broke down in tears. That shit went on
30 years.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
It hurt him. That shit was 30 years old. It
hurt Vic. It hurt Vic.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I think it takes a level of maturity to forgive.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yes. Yeah. He could have been petty the whole, like, man,
fuck that nigga. Fuck that nigga. Forever.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I want to bring up one last topic. You brought
up sports.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
We brought up forgiveness. Baker Mayfield is a football player.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
A punk-ass football player.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Who recently reunited with his dad and brother after they
stole $ 12 million from him.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
And so the Tampa Bay Buccaneer quarterback said in August
2026 that he has reconnected with his family in recent
months after a bitter financial dispute describing the progress is
good and nothing that the door is open. Between 2018
and 2021, roughly $ 12 million was allegedly transferred without authorization

(42:20):
from Baker and his wife Emily's accounts to businesses run
by his father and brother. The couple reached a settlement
in early 2024 requiring repayment of about $ 11. 7 million. Then
later sued for breach of that agreement in 2024.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Who sued that? They sued because.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
They reached a settlement requiring repayment. They later sued because
of breach of contract in the agreement. And then the
case was later dismissed. Mayfield has since chosen forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Ran off on a plug. Yep. Where that money at?
That's what I'm saying. I still don't want to know.
I can make peace with you. What you try to
do with the money?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I don't see how you could steal $ 100 from me
and I'm never fucking with you again.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
That's still authentic smiles. Yeah, nah, you can't. Like, I
still would watch my back.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I don't... I'm not doing it.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Why do.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
And this is the other thing about family, friends, shit, partners, spouses.
The level of betrayal that you can experience from a human...
We're all human first, actually. We're all human first. But
because of someone's title, you fucking extend forgiveness to someone
who stole $ 12 million from you?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Couldn't do it. Can we bring race into this?

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
If it's a black family... If it was.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Geno Smith and his parents or his father and brother,
would he be forgiven?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I mean, it's not even that. Let's be very clear.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Somebody might die behind that. It might not be no forgiveness.
Somebody's going to jail and somebody's going in the dirt.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
$ 12 million. $ 12 million? And you countersued to not do it.
And y'all didn't pay. You still got the money.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I have a cousin right now who hasn't been shit.
Since he's older than me, if I'm 45, Michael is
probably 59, 60.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
This nigga hasn't been shit since I was a child.
Niggas knew he wasn't shit. This is the type of
nigga who would scheme people, scam people.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
At one point, he was doing pest control.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
And instead of spraying the pest control, he was filling
the shit up with water and spraying people's houses so
he could keep the pesticide and sell that shit.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like, this is a nigga who hasn't been shit for
a long time.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Now where am I scamming at?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a scam. That's a scam.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
That you approve of because he's stealing technically From a corporation.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Oh, yeah, I don't care about that shit.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Well, he's not really stealing from a corporation. He is.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
He's stealing the product and selling it to... No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
He's stealing the money of people who paid him to
spray their house for roaches and then running off and
not doing the actual job.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Yeah, there's two things going on there. Two things happening.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
But I bring that up because without going into the
full details of it, this person I feel.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Like has taken advantage... of.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Uh my mother and taking god knows how much money
from my parents because he comes up with these sob
stories and things like that i haven't seen this nigga
in a very long time but if i see this
nigga anywhere it's gonna be a problem If this nigga

(45:37):
tries to show up to one of my parents' funeral,
it's going to be a problem right there in the church.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So I can't imagine getting $ 12.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Million stolen from you by father, mother, cousin, brother, whoever,
and then offering them any level of forgiveness.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
There's no forgiveness. I know he's in Georgia. I don't
know exactly where he at in Georgia.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Just going to say, last place a dispute should happen.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Where, in Georgia? At a funeral. Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I don't think that you should be arguing with family
members who are grieving. I just don't think that that
is a place for an argument to start based on.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
You're probably right. No, I am. Don't probably me. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
I am right.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
But it is a.
Funerals and weddings are places where... No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Weddings you could obstruct.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Bad things... Weddings you could obstruct.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
But emotional shit is going.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
To come up at those places. You know why it
happens there, though? Why, what happens where? Because that's when
niggas come around. Yeah, niggas show up. Yeah, you might
not see these niggas there, and then they pop up.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
So they tell your family, hey, guys, let's plan a reunion.
Let's get niggas for a reunion. Bust their ass at
the reunion.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
They won't come to the reunion. All the living people
that want to bust that ass is going to be there.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It's going to be there.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
The funeral is more safe space. Like, oh, ain't nobody
going to really jump out, right? It's safe here. We're
all sad. We're all grieving.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
They wouldn't get up and raise a stink in the
middle of it. They have. Oh, I know. I know.
This grief ain't going to protect you, nigga.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Just wait for the repass. Wait for the reception.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Is that different? Is repass different? When people are eating.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
Food, yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
You might have more compassion because you're eating.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And you're drinking there. You're grieving. It's emotional.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
You might argue with them.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
But while the service of the funeral is happening, nah,
don't do it there.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Damn. I've thought about this a lot. I've thought about
this a lot. Like, it wouldn't, like, true. Here's what
I'll say.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
In my mind, it isn't a, like, get up and
start a fight with this nigga in the funeral. But
it is a, like, if I happen to turn around
and see this nigga in a pew, it is maybe
like a get up and like, hey.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Him, you gotta go. Okay. You gotta go. And if
you don't want to go, now, now.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Are there people in your family that are aware of
how you feel?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
100%.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
So I would imagine that if they see them in
the same proximity, they'd be.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Like, yo, yo, yo.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, because Black Effect be doing that to me.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Like, oh my God, this person going to be here.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yo, chill out. I know how to act.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I don't be busting ass. I don't like how y'all
niggas be setting shit up. I'm just saying. Y'all too sad,
crappy with y'all shit. I don't be busting.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm not finna bust ass. Like how he's saying, I
let it be known.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Maybe they think you're the aggressor. I'm not speaking for them.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Why do people think I'm the aggressor? It's the same
way they be in the comments.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I never agree with her. Why do niggas think I'm
the aggressor? Because Mandy is not... Oh, no, no.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
I got them hands. Be careful with your words now.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
No, I'm saying you're... Oh, yeah, but I'm not the aggressor.
You're not... I don't see that. But I'm not either.
Nobody who knows me knows me to be rah-rah with nobody.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
No, but you just said you're going to be rah-rah.
There's not one person that I say when I see
I'm going to get rah-rah with.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I don't have anybody.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
I have this one person who I want to beat
the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Let me see your stance. But the thing is, but also...
Do you like one of these or do you like
one of these? You know what's tricky? If you're doing
all this shit, it ain't going to end well. If
you're doing this shit... I will say.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Do have a disadvantage.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Why? What's that?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Because I'm such a girl.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Scratch. Oh, hit him with that hand. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
My fist don't, doesn't.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Them shits is weapon. Yeah, my fist doesn't close fully.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So just know.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
You got the brass knuckles on your shit already. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Oh, normally I do.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But you're right handed right Yeah. Yeah, hit him with
the booty hole nails. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I wouldn't want to get hit with the booty. You
got it. You got it. You got it. You got it.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Can you not call my finger booty hole?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Booty hole nails? I swear. Yo, I'm gonna tell you
one thing. Ain't that what it's for? Once I was learned,
once I learned about that. Oh, okay. Right. Hole nails. Look,
once I learned about that... Do you not specifically booty
hole nails? I now watch women more with that in mind. No,
you know what? So when I see it, I be like, oh,
you on that type of time. For a second, I
didn't bring it up because we was lit. I didn't

(49:50):
know before. We went to the show. Somebody else had that.
And you already managed to put it in the box.
And as soon as I looked at it, I was like, ah,
booty hole nails.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Oh, booty hole nails.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
They're not just booty hole nails.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
They're also lesbian nails.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well, that's... Well, that doesn't go with it at all. No,
but you know what I say?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I call it booty hole nails because I feel like
when y'all be playing with yourselves and y'all have nails
and y'all don't really be caring about that, but the
booty hole might be a little bit more sensitive.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
To the sharpness. The two fingers. They're not going to
do it with a third one. It's hard to move.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Sir, with my sharp nails, I can play with my clit.
When we play with ourselves and now here we go.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
But it's so defining. You don't got the thumb like that.
It's just these two.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
No, the thumb goes in the back of the butt
from the back.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
What I'm saying is not short.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
We're not just.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Sitting on our thumbs. Sitting on your own thumb is crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
What I'm saying is it's not a short nail, it's
a long nail.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Regardless, there's no woman that is just out here sitting
on a thumb. The thumb is for y'all to do
it while you're from the back.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, no, 100%.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
We are not using our thumbs in masturbation.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
But women don't do insertion with acrylic nails?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Insertion is not how we come we mostly come from
clip play I get that part.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
But like some women like to insert some of them
want to get G-spot I've seen women insert with nails
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
How long their arms are I can't reach like anatomy
babe okay.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Like How do I look it up in there?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
It's not going to go up in there.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
This is not the... You just separated decisions from selective ignorance.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
We're talking about beating niggas up in funerals and now
we got booty hole nails.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I am always the same person.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
It's just a difference of topics.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
But I am the same person on both sides. You
perked up real quick.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
No, no, I'm educating. The miseducation here. The miseducation of masturbation.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Not of Lauren Hill.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Um, but yeah. So y'all are forgiving family members that
steal from you? You're not. We know, but I'm asking
him now. I'm asking A-King.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Still no.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Still no.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I might forgive, but we can't. It won't be like,
you know.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
We're not taking pictures. No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
What does forgiveness, like, what does forgiveness mean to you?
You don't want no harm to them. You're not going
to cause harm. You're just going to let it rock.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
There's nothing to pursue anymore, but you've established a boundary
that can't be ever crossed again.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Let me see it.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
But what I'm saying is that, I mean, that's protecting yourself,
but I'm talking about for the person who did the violation, right?
When you say, I forgive someone, like to you, what
does that mean? Does that mean that... By the way, I.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Hate the fucking definition. The action or process of forgiving
or being forgiven. You motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Using the word to define a word is not a...
What the fuck is the definition?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Okay, true definition of forgiveness is a conscious, voluntary decision
to let go of resentment, bitterness, and the desire for
revenge towards someone who has caused you harm.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
And that's... I'm not gonna lie. I'm not good at that.
I forgive. I forgive. Yeah, I'm not good at that.
These niggas. Because I'm a double back. And then leave
it alone after that. There's nothing else after that.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Like, you can't bring it up. You can't.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
You got to let it go.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
The resentment has to be gone, the bitterness, and desire
for revenge.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
So, I can let go of the desire for revenge.
I don't know if I can let go.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
No, no, you just said you.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Want to bust his ass.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Him, him.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Oh, him, but overall.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Overall, I can let go maybe of resentment. I don't,
I mean, I'm sorry, of revenge. I don't know if
I can let go of resentment.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Resentment and bitterness.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Because I'm always going to look at you that way now.
I don't know, I won't know another way to be
able to.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
So, you might say something.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
I might, because if you come around and I'm not
going to be able... Same way I was making faces
at that conservative lady. I'm not going to be okay
to just sit here and you be in the presence,
especially if niggas is kiki-ing and yada, yada, it's funny. No,
I'm going to be like, fuck this nigga. And I'm
not going to be able to be just cool in
a situation. It don't have to be violence, but I'm

(53:39):
saying mentally for me.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That's your cousin you said, right? Yeah. How does it
play into your aunts and uncles?

Speaker 4 (53:46):
And who they are as it relates to your relationship
with them as it relates to your... I think a
lot of them know he ain't shit, but they also
feel bad for him.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
He's had shit that's happened to him in his life,
some of which isn't his fault. But I think they
have sympathy and empathy for him.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
But would that stop you from pursuing, knowing that that
relationship with you and the aunt and uncle?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
At least right now, how I feel about it right now, no.
They'll just have to be mad at me for causing
a ruckus.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
But they're the mama and daddy. You don't blame them
for why he is the way he is?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Some of this stuff has been... What's the word? Not allowed.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
They've... Why am I blanking out on the word?

Speaker 2 (54:28):
They've given him.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Space to be this kind of way without checking it hardcore.
And so it's like, okay, fine. This is just what
the nigga is now. Revenge I can let go of
because I don't want to get my... That's about me, though.
I don't want to go to jail necessarily. for doing
something bad to somebody, so I got to protect myself.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
But resentment? No, I still feel how I feel about you.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
I think I'm quicker to just try to forget than forgive.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Dissociate or forget? Both.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Like, I'll say out of mind, you don't exist.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
You don't exist no more. You bum-ass bitch.

Speaker 4 (54:59):
But.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, look, I'm thinking of someone right now. I'll be
honest with you.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
There's certain things that, yeah, there is no forgiveness. Like,
I will never forgive you.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I will never forgive you for that.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
And I understand the concept, right, when people say that
it's supposed to be for you, not them. So that
you don't have to be angry. You don't have to
have stuff on your heart or on your soul. Which
I understand in theory.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, in theory, that's that whole bigger person bullshit.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Bigger person shit, yeah. But inside of me, I don't
have that. Don't forget.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I will never forget. I will never see you the same.
I will never honor you in any kind of way.
To me, you're going to be a piece of shit.
And when I see a piece of shit, I'll be like,
there go a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah. I don't know how to let go of that part.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
I don't have to act on it, but how I
feel about you is how I'm always going to feel
about you.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
And you know what we can't do, guys? Tell people
how they're supposed to feel. But this was cool.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, good chat.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
We got all over the place there.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
We talked about all kinds of shit.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
And also, I was more right than wrong this episode.
I would just like to say that.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
We'll let you guys be the judge. We'll see the comments.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
They're not the judge and jury.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Who's this?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
God didn't put them as a... Can't nobody judge me.
Only God can judge me. God is in the house.
God in the Bible or God in the.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
God is in the house. Allah, Buddha.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Muhammad. Yahweh.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
All of them.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
All of them.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Dr. Umar.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
He is not a God.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
He's a 49er.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
So yeah um but yeah no only god could judge
me um thank you guys so very much uh for
tuning in i like this conversation these are conversations bring
into the group chat um but also sit with yourself
like what does forgiveness look like to you and are
you an easily forgiving person um or do you live
with that resentment and are you okay with it um

(56:47):
also um A white man added homophobia into the Bible.
Make sure you do that research. Make sure you look
into that, especially if you heavily lean and go to
church every Sunday and read the Bible. Make sure you
know what's being taught and pushed out.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Pause.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
And do you believe it? Nonetheless, thank y'all so much
for tuning in to our bonus episode. See y'all motherfuckers
next week and make sure again, holiday weekend, that y'all
are safe.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Y'all are.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
All of the things.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Protected. Get an Uber. Get an Uber. Waymo. Lyft. Whatever
they got going on.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Something that doesn't have you getting behind the wheel drunk
because it is never worth the consequence.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Correct. And watch the police. They're going to be outside.
Big outside.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
They can't wait to lock your ass up. Stay within
the speed limit.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
See you next week.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Peace.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
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Speaker 5 (57:50):
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Speaker 1 (58:01):
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