December 1, 2025 • 50 mins
As the former Mayor of Chicago and President Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emmanuel knows how to run and win. But does he have his sights set on returning to the White House? He shares his plans with Kate and Oliver regarding a possible run for president in 2028.
Plus, Rahm reveals how he almost ended up on a radically different professional path and what strict house rules he and Kate have in common.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Railval No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good, ollie. I were doing our intro right now.
I'm very excited to talk to rom.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah you know him by the way.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know I've met him. Yeah, I don't know him.
I know his bro I know arieh you know, because
Ari was and Pat Patrick was my agent for a
while for a long time. So I know Ari pretty
well and he's best he's with my bestie all that stuff,
you know. But but but uh, but I don't. I
don't know rom As very well. But what I do
(01:07):
when I hear his name, is I hear Deepak Chopra
doing the the chakra meditation with me. When you do,
he does a chakra and he goes Rom and Rom
I believe, I think is the one of maybe the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Root chakra is it is that? I don't know?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Ye chakra? Sound is?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What does it mean? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Associated the element of sound? No?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, okay, okay, meanwhile I speak. Okay, so chakra sound M.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I didn't get into the chakras, but I've got some
interesting information. So I d M.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This the guy who did you know Nims Nims die?
He did the Seven Peaks that documentary where you like, yeah,
I know, trying to get me to climb Everest.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh Jesus, forget about it. I told him.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I was like, it'll it'll never happen. But I love
He's my d M buddy. He's like, he's like hey,
He's like, hey, do you want to climb Everest? Like
if you dream, we can do it. We can make
this possible. I'm like, absolutely not. But we have a
really funny d M relationship and he's he's a really
nice guy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah he's cool, crazy cool. But maybe I.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Could do another peak, like you know, something less crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, you know, maybe you know, like you imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
No, No, I'd make it to like the literally the
first base camp.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'd be like, this is great, right, yea. Even even
getting to the first camp is snarl.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I love I love it. Okay, So Ram Emmanuel very
excited to talk to him, going over his sort of bio.
We're pretty connected. I'm going to talk to him about
fly fishing. He's a big worker outer, which I am too. Now,
Oh my god, yeah, I pump and he's an extremely
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interesting guy. I watch him on the news all the time.
We're not going to get deep into politics, but it's
hard not to scratch the surface anyway, especially given the
landscape of what we are doing. Yeah, you know what
I mean, But.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I don't know. I don't know what landscape you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's the landscape in my mind.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh, politics, Ram is the solar plexus chakra. I'm really yes, Let's.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Let's see if he knows this. I want to.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I want to, Yeah, but I am excited to talk
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Let's bring him in. Let's talk about his chakras.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, hey me, rum Oh, it's nice to see you.
Nice to see you guys coming to pod.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Have you and Kate met through your brother?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
No, I don't think so. I was thinking maybe it's
something maybe, but I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I know so I would No, we have not.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Nice to meet you, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I have a long history with your brother.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Nobody punished with two emmanuals, let alone three.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I can't imagine. I'd actually like to be a fly
on the wall when you guys all get together.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But you will forget a word in edgews I imagine.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Is it like that? No?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I bet that's the same thing for your family.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I wonder who talks.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The most in our family or the moms or the emmanuels, And.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I can tell you who talks the most in ours.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So definitely Ari.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, No, Zeke talks about things he knows nothing about. Okay, y, are.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You three brothers? And no, that's it, it's just three boys.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well no, the short answer is three brothers. Okay, twelve thirteen,
fourteen years later, Mom and Dad adopt your ear. She's
a week old, has physical a lot of issues, and
so it's kind of it's like as so we protect her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, So growing up though, you guys were really super
like a tight And how many years apart are you? Guys?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Ari and I are sixteen months to the day.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Okay November twenty ninth March twenty ninth. Zeke is older
than me by twenty one months.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So basically, Mom just she went for it. She like
spit you guys all out go to dad Hey two.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Dad had a really good
few years.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Did you guys fight all the time?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, not all the time. Zeke gets his own bedroom
as he's the eldest boy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Ari and I shared a room together growing up right now,
when we were very young. There's an infamous story of this.
Zeke and I have a bunk bed. This is when
we're living in the city. Ari has is the crib.
Next to the bunk bed. Zeke and I used to
jump from the top bunk into the crib to see
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how high the baby would bounce.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
That's what I imagine three boys so close in age
would be doing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, and you know, it does explain why I Aria
started walking at eight months.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It kind of explained everything.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, that's a very good point, I I I.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So, you guys grew up in the city.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I grew up in the city.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I am in third or fourth grade is when we
moved to womet So up until fourth, third or fourth grade,
I can't remember exactly we moved. We're in the city
on Winona and Broadway, which is Edgewater community of Chicago,
and then we move up to woomet So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You grew up in the cold.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Don't force me to make fun of you because.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
You're so California.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, I guess so California.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, hey, I grew up. I grew up in the
Rockies too.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We have some Colorado in US.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I read a little about that before we go anywhere.
I do want to talk about Oliver's dancer, his twelve
year old Oh yeah, because I did ballet. I want
to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I wanted to talk about ballet. I also want to
talk about fly fishing, because I've been fly fish since
I was six years old. Like, you know, fishing is
my passion. It's not just fly I have a boat
in La I go catch big blue blue fin all
the time. Like I am a big fisherman period.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I have been fly fishing, and I know this does
not look like fly fishing twenty five years. Nothing like
standing in the water yep, wait and waiting up in Montana. Oh,
we have Amy as my place.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know Kimmel Jimmy is
a huge fly fishermen as well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah well, uh yeah, there's a couple of people. Yeah,
David let him as a place about forty five minutes
from where I live.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Oh wow, does Letterman like to fly fish. Yes, I'd
love I would.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I love to see fish.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I fly fish with my brother. But I'm like one
of those people that likes to float.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
She likes to float trips.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like to float and drink. I like, I want
I want to. I want to fly fish on the
floater thing on the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You want to be on the water. I want the
water rushing at you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I have a dream to go to Iceland. I want
to go to I want to go to Iceland and
fly fish. That's something trip I really want to do.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I'm coming with you, Well, I but I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I have a friend, Peter Freelander, who who loves to
fly fish, loves fishing. I'm trying. I've been trying to
get Allie and him to get and and he goes
to Iceland every year, and I'm like, I want to.
I want to go on that trip. I want to
go on that trip trip and do that.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah it's good, it's good salmon there. But also Patagonia
I've never done, and I want to do that. Yeah,
how incredible is it?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Three times if you count to Chile? Okay, the other
great trip. Yeah, I'll send you the video afterwards. Yeah,
New Zealand. Helicopter into a gorge and they come pick
you up six o'clock at night after you're there, dropped
off by yourself and or with a guide.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
God, that's incredible. That's the beauty of fly fishing, you know,
is it's just so much more than fishing. You know,
there's a spiritual, cathartic component to it all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
When died fishing because because I know for Oliver it
started like really young, like it started at Troutdale. We
went to Troutdale and all he sat in like a
little palm, fake.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Pond, obsessed with fishing all my life.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
So we amy and I'd make a decision. We want
to take the kids to travel the world. And a
friend of ours has a single child and unfortunately just
passed away. And so our first trip is to Argentina.
And then we go to Argentina, we go to the Conzania,
we go to Uganda, we go to India, we allow us,
we go to get back all over the place. But
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it started, Uh doesn't everybody start their fly fishing like
in Argentina? And are you know? And so that's how
it started. And I have found it really incredibly important
to my mental health, although my wife thinks I put
sport back into fly fishing. And I have a funny
(10:35):
story with Obama once and I, you know, but where
he was disturbing it and.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Does he He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He doesn't getting in the middle of your mental health.
He's like, he's calling you.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I said, I said, we did. It was not it
was a particular thing. And I just said, you're in
the middle of my fly fishing. And if you don't
hang up now, I'm doing I'm doing this on the
eighth all. And I don't give a crap about golf.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's right. Let's get back to childhood. I'm curious, you know,
you guys growing up, what kind of household was it?
You know, what were your parents like was it? Did
you have the freedom was what? Were they strict?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
My dad was a pediatrician and my mother pre kids
was what would be called a radiologist nurse today, but
she's a nurse. And then she was very active quits
nursing and is very active in core congress our racial
quality from the late fifties early sixties, integrating Chicago housing
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in Chicato Beaches. Now I give my mother credit. It
was her idea. The kitchen slash meat dinner table was round,
so there was nobody at the head of the table
and you had to come to the dinner prepared to
defend or to argue. We talked about current events. We're
talking about politics, etc. We also grew up the first
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eight years my father's mother lives with us. My mother's parents,
my grandparents. I'm a maternal spent two years living with us,
two separate times we had so there was never kind
of a nuclear family. We had a foster brother for
three for two years, so it was never a nuclear
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family in the sense of the five of us. And
we were encouraged to go at it about current events
and have a real discussion and stuff like that. And
we were very we were there was a piece of it.
You know, a lot of times Mom was gone because
she was arrested trying to do the work she was
doing us a right and my father. You know, it
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just comes to America from Israel, doesn't everybody when they're
building a practice. But a quit the American Medical Association
over National health Care in nineteen sixty two and tries
to practice and then Sue turns around and sues the
city of Chicago for lead in household pain.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Wow, when you're trying to practice medicine in Richard J.
Daily Chicago, not a good business model.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But that was just his conviction. He didn't give a shit.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, that he And that's how they raised this and
that's how kind of everybody's still, regardless of professional, very
focused on the news current events.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Were you were you guys resistant you know of that?
Was it like, no, this is what we're going to do,
and I don't give a shit if you like it
or hate it. We're going to sit down at the
table and we're going to talk about this and we're
going to debate in this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But my parents were very strict about that. The family
had dinner in the same way that you know that
famous Mark Plank quote. At twelve, I knew my father
was a fool, and I was shocked what he learned
in only six years. I said I would never do
these things and ended up repeating doing. You know, even
when I was mayor in chief of staffor and whatever.
We had meals four nights a week, you did oh yeah, Friday.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Were your kids resistant to it or was it just
part of the fabric of the anuals.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You grow up with it everything.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I find that the dinner table is the most important
place for kids. I try to do it. My thing
is three d at least three days a week. If
kids have to put the phones down.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Get a basket.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We got a house, They lie, I bought this little
house and they put the phones in the No.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I mean, you know we do that, and I think
that I don't. I don't buy quality time and I
don't buy quantity. I buy presents. Present. Being present in
your child's life, Yeah, yeah, and it's more important. So
like let's say one of them were having a test
or whatever. I would do my reading laying on their
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bed and just be there because then they could say
something to you and you could be involved and it's
not a pressure. We have a little cottage on the
water in Michigan, and I used to we used to
go looking for beach glass and you would I would
take them in, one of them or whatever, and just
or all of us would go. And I just think
being present isn't that way? Is really? Really?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I'm reading right now.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I used to have this summer reading list. Every had
to read three books, and then you had a leaded
family discussion at the end of the summer and your
favorite book. I finished eighteen sixty one with my son Zachariah.
Alana and I just read nineteen forty four and Land
and I are reading now. She just asked me to
read a book on October the October seventh events.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Amazing. Wow, Ollie, I want to know how you feel
right now.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I feel terrible about myself. I'm worry. How do you
feel like? I'm reading? I'm reading a lot. There's not
a lot of numbers in the books that I'm reading.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Right here, because I love them. Two of them are
in the arm board. But between zero and eighteen there
were like four manslaughter opportunities that I almost took a vantage.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh well, this makes me feel a little bit better
because I've got eighteen, fifteen and twelve, two boys in
my little girl. Now we're amazed. They're all amazing. My
eighteen year old he is a teenager who's just like
you know, and I'm like, who were you, dude? I mean,
all he wanted to do was cuddle with me. He said,
can you cuddle? Can you cuddle? I was going to
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get a tattooed on me, he said it that much
and then all of a sudden boom, He's fucking not.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I'm serious about this.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
One is I used to say to Zach, I said,
you know, I said one time in a family and
I said, I swear to God, you're going to be fifteen.
I'm going to be fifty four. One of us is
going to make it. One is not when I tell
the judge why I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Off, yeah, right now, but they.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Come back now. The other thing is, this is just
my vision underappreciated is when a my two daughters turned
not you have to be always involved, but specifically a
round twelve, a father's role in your daughter's life is
more important than the mother's role.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, huge, Yeah huge, Really fully, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Probably why i've been in therapy for.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's going good.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's going good.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Going back to the daughter father thing, where you know,
I have two boys. Then we had my little girl,
Rio and she is just an incredible being and I'm
in love with her so much. She's my favorite child
right now. I'm not afraid to admit that in any
way whatsoever. She's just so self sufficient and her executive
functioning is through the fucking roof. She's up at six
every morning, she's dressed, she makes her lunch, she makes
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her I mean, it's unbelievable. And she just sleeps in
her bonnet. She sleeps in her bonnet with her curls.
She's just so sweet. And you hear, oh, your daughter
is going to have her wrapped around her finger. But
I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's bullshit. It became true. I mean,
not that I don't discipline her at all, but she
like has me and I'm just so obsessed with her
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and getting to the dancing thing. She is just beautiful
and graceful, and she's dancing six days a week and
it's intensive, and she's competing now and I'm so excited
for her.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I think the father daughter
thing is is an immense is an underappreciated under research
under discussed. It is the most important thing for how
they become a confident self a woman as they get older.
And I look at my, you know, two daughters, and
I think I took each of them a little after
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their bot mitzvah was on. Elanie and I did a
bike trip through Europe together and Israel and Lean and
I did a trip in Israel, and that those trips
were just really really important to us as a parent
and a child.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Unique rom I love I love hearing about your you
as a father.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
One other thing I would say when I was somebody
just reminded us today who worked for me I was
mayor even in the worst moments, I would obviously leave
the phone out of the office if they called. I
told my assistant, you bring me the phone that you
cannot tell them I'm too busy. I'm only I can
do it. Yes, they cannot be thought of as second tier.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, that's so smart.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
That's about And you know, and again Amy and I
when I ran for office, you can't find our kids
and my commercials. I never put them there. Yeah, they'll
know they're getting used.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah. Right, they're much smarter and more in tune than
we get.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How old are your kids now? Now that they're How
old are they now?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Zach is twenty eight and he's a Navy intel officer.
Went to UCLA. Lana is twenty six, Navy reservists and
she's at graduate school University Chicago Business law. Lea went
to is twenty five, went to Princeton as one of
the leaders on national security and climate change.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
God this is so high functioning.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I know, look at us for Wilder's greater like eating
eating glue. He's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Getting from zerody.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm telling you that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, writers, writers calling me from his like, you know,
acting class where he's like playing a snake. Have you
read a book, honey?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Eat what?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Were you were you guys strict parents though as far
as education goes, and you know.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yes you are, yes, very strict. Yeah, but strict in
the sense of supportive and everything. But so we had
this thing on our Sabbath dinners, which is whoever got
let's say an A and science or whatever, you got
what was called the star plate, just a blue plate.
Everything else was white, the stars around it, and you
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were allowed to invite any friend and their family to
celebrate Shabbat with us. If you did something academically or
otherwise extraordinary or whatever, you got an A or whatever.
You struggled on a paper, but you got a smiley face.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But but I was very but amy and she would
agree that she was a little more understanding than yeah,
doctor badass.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, yeah, we had a red letter plate. Remember, we
had the we had the plate growing up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, it's if we put five if we did five
steps in front of one another.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
For us, it was more like if we if we
if we like, if we like won the CIF championships, like, yeah,
it's like I got a blue ribbon and jumping.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You know, dinner a big meal at home.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, no, we were. But but but that being said,
you know, because my parents didn't have a nine to five. Yes,
our life was a little it was it was different
like like when my parents were home, they were home,
so we were when they weren't home. It wasn't like
it was when they were making movies. They can't The
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weird thing about filming is that you get picked up
at five in the morning and you're not home until
dinner's done, you know, so you kind of have these
three month stretches where you're visiting your parents on set
and then when they're off, there's six months and they're home.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You ask them when they're leaving, can you get out
of here? We were, yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Is like can't you get a day job? Can't you
like not be here and we can like sneak our
friends in the house. So but we had like we
had moments. There was a moment there where my mom
would do these big Sunday We'd watch a movie, people
would come over, we'd have meals. We're very social house.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But it was never a sit down, really sit down meal.
Well we're all talking and you know, and I think
that at least in my house. Again, you inherited that
from your parents, and I inherited that from mine. We
do not do sit down meals. It's all on the run.
It's on the go. The kids are fucking everywhere. And
I love to cook. I will cook, but they come
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down and grab it neat that and I'm just like,
all right, cool whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I mean, it's why all these kids stopped coming to
my house because I'm like, everybody's gonna sit down here,
take your shoes. I we're gonna sit down, we're gonna
have meal, put your phones away, and they're like, I'm
never coming back.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It was the shoes off thing that really have they
come back like they're like, Dad, anty, Kate made us
take our shoes off because like we're not, We're never
going back there.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It is a recent thing because of Kate in Japan. Okay,
you're right, I know, right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I I got with I married a Japanese I was
sort of married to a Japanese man. And the shoes
go off.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
How much a humor play a part in your in
your family? Were you guys able to were you funny?
Were you crazy? You know, because you're obviously a funny dude.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Humor humor, I thought you said, meaning Chuck Schumer is
that he was never.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
There was humor when we was Schumer, when you were
a young boy. No, No, it was an age humor,
you know, because you guys are funny dudes, You're you're witty.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I get you know, was very important. And you know
I remember these zero zero not Zerah Muspell mel Brooks
two thousand year old man in two thousand we used
to pay My dad used to play it every Sunday
night for us. I thought it was the funniest thing
you ever heard, the two thousand year old man, two
thousand and thirteen year old man. Yeah, very important.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I have a friend who's making a documentary on mel Brooks,
and I cannot wait.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He is my He's like one of my heroes, right,
I mean, when you think about the work that he's done,
and how he's made people laugh and I think the
best all time.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You know, watching your parents do what they did, you know,
obviously had a massive impact on what you guys wanted
to be a part of. You know, how much was
that sort of nature or how much was it nurture?
If they were steel workers, would you be a steel worker?
You know?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Well, prior to politics and prior to dance, I was,
I mean, after dance, I was going to be a
early childhood educated, early childhood psychologist. That's what I studied,
and I was interested. Now I used to be one
hundred percent believing in nurture. Having had my three kids,
I'm of the view. I'm of the view that nature
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a dominant force, certain traits become more dominant in their character,
and other traits that they have recede to the background.
That's kind of my cheap pig child psychology.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I agree, Yeah, because as you get older, you kind
of start to realize patterning and you're like, wait, there's
certain parts of your authentic self that feel like they're
not present anymore, but they're in there, and they kind
of claw you a little bit, and you're like, wait
a minute, why I need to access that and why
why can't I You know, when you think about your ancestry,
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your DNA and what and what goes into that, like
if you look like all over just ours like from
you know, our grand great grandparents leaving hungry and them
being the only survivors from then on our father's side,
like the Sicilian mafia. You think about like all of
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the things that go into that and then when you
you you you have to carry some of it. It's
in it's just in your DNA. We carry I believe
we carry that. You know that those strands that the
memory right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I mean, look, my mother was involved in obviously civil
rights movement, which is a big motivator of my getting
involved in politics. My dad being a pediatrician. You know,
I very much care. I created fold day kindergarten, full
day pre k, wanted to be an early childhood educator,
and those kinds are big important. But there's a certain
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thing about also just that was about being the middle child.
I was always trying to make peace at home, and
so you know, I think I don't know, I don't
think it's fifty to fifty, but there's no doubt post
having my own kids that I believe nature plays a
bit more.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Dominant role than Yeah, and then you know, obviously life
of public service in essential. So your kids are doing
the same correct.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, it's interesting. So the example I was, you have
to do a year of public service. You won the
lottery ticket being an American and you have to give
something back. Now, I'm gotta be honest, I'm thinking teach
for America. Amy's you know. Zach comes back, he's in
UCLA and he says, third junior year, I'm thinking of
joining the Marines. And I'm like, well, I'm thinking like
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coast guard in Lake Superior. Okay, Now I didn't realize
fast forward that the Canadians were going to.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Be our enemies.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yea father's grandfather are both Navy and maybe. Zach goes
back and after about three months he says, okay, I'm
I want to join the Navy, and so public service
is my kind of fifty percent contribution. Navy is Amy,
and he's on his completing his sixth year, and that's
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Alana is now completing I think months is months six
as the Navy reservists.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So my middle son came to me. They didn't city,
my mom, what he goes? What should I feel like?
I want to go to military school. I want to
go to West Point. I was like, he did. Yeah,
He's like I want to be a Navy seal.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I'm like, what, Well, that's right, We're not going to
West Point. We're going to Annapolis for that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Being set?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yes, he's fourteen, okay, and he comes his on his
father's side. His father was the only generation that didn't
serve and that's English and being just is like I
want to I want to like be in I want
to be a Navy seal. Oh, I have a heart.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Attack, Like this is a three and a half minutes
what I want cut to? You know, I wouldn't worry about.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It either, doctor Emmanuel, I wouldn't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But what But what about his public service in general?
I mean, it used to be such an admirable thing.
You want to get into it, you know, but do
you find that it's just it's waning. People are like,
I don't want to get into this fucking.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
You know, actually, so I would give you now, I
don't what do I know? But still I still grew
up with the Kennedy. Public service is a noble profession.
I think our generation my sucks. I think my kids
generation and they are so much aware of the world
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and what's around them is now they think we are
all of us screwed it up. I said, well, the
world doesn't start just because you came around, so contra
to what your mother says that the world starts and
revolves around you.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's just true.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
But I think but they're much more civically and their
friends are much more cifically engaged than I remember my
high school and college friends, much more.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's good to know.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, they have everything solved all but they think that
we are all guilty for having screwed everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Of course, But then, but then the next step is
do they want to step into the arena and try
to make a difference, you know, llor just Monday morning quarterback?
You know, which is fine too.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I think at least the friends
they have and or the friends they selected, that's another
thing sidetrack. Yeah, you know you've done well on a
parent not based on a report card. I don't know
who your kids pick as friends. Yes, and if their
friends are good, good, you have done well. Yes, there's
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a moral judgment. It is not the A, the B,
the C.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Or the D.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I agree, it's the most under disgust and their friends
are were fabulous growing up, that's fabulous now. And that's
to me the most telling sign of the moral character
of your child.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, I could agree. I couldn't agree more. You know,
I'm not a grades guy. I'm an effort guy. You know.
If you work your ass off on a math test
and I see that you're trying and it just doesn't
work out, I'm cool. I'm good, you know. I mean body,
my middle son is school is easy. I don't know
where he fucking comes from. Math bang bang bang gets
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it all done. A's a's and he's the only one.
I don't know where this nurture. It's not nurture, but
it's definitely not nurture.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Nurture example nature.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I'm signing of nurture. The other way, I'm like,
let's take two days off, let's go skiing.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I am I am big about grades, but I am
saying the moral character. Yes, you will not see it
in a report card. You will only see it in
the friends of selection.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yes, can we get into your dance. I really want,
I really want to know how this happened for you,
because I grew up dancing and I just love okay dance.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So my mother is the old Eastern Europe her grandfather,
my grandfather, her father Moldova, Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Piece.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Now you want six', three two hundred and pounds a, boxer,
steelworker me. Cutter my mom is five. Eleven she's growing
up in The balanchine. Era five Eleven Russian Eastern european
stock just doesn't cut the. Stag that's a always resented
that she couldn't be a. Dancer that's B see my
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freshman year of high, school in the off season of,
SOCCER i say to my, MOTHER i want to improve
my soccer. GAME i want to get my. BALANCE i
want to get ready for sophomore. Year that's My she
goes and this Is Rosie greer in The Minnesota vikings
taking up.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Ballet, YEAH i remember that the day, right she, goes.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
You should take up ballet and start to. Dance SO
i walk in and there's twenty nine women.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
And you're Pink AND i.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Was sitting on a bench with twelve.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Guys twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
WOMEN i can figure this out AND i start, dancing and.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
That was the.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Reason but on the other, HAND i start to get
Really i'm good at. It actually it was really for,
soccer AND i discover a SKILL i didn't KNOW i.
Had AND i basically dropped soccer and pick up la
and then ended up having a scholarship to the school At,
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geoffrey WHICH i didn't. TAKE i would decided to go
To Sarah lawrence.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Instead, wow did you keep dancing At Sarah?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
LAWRENCE i danced At Sara. LAWRENCE i danced afterwards always
in nineteen ninety five. AMAZING i danced at The Hubbard
street here In chicago And Joe. Hall growing, UP i
danced At Gus giordano And Evanston school of L.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
A i love.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wow now now do you what do you do now to?
Like do you do? Pilatus do you keep your is
that something Your do you still keep your dancer?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Strength i'm strong about.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
YOU i.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
DID i. HAD i swear three times a week a.
MILE i do weightlift two times a week for an.
HOUR i do yoga twice a week for an hour
each AND i do bike and. Elliptical i'm. Great i'm
big about.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yoga do you have a? Peloton, no you actually rode? Bike?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
YEAH i did four WHEN i was. AMBASSADOR i did
four trips In. Japan i've done a bike Around Lake.
Michigan here bike on The oregon, coast the whole coast
From washington to Calf.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Dude how is? That that's? Beautiful and weather wise probably
gnarily so?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Great, okay it was.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
One rain and stuff like. That and THEN i did
A pittsburgh to D c on the old on the
converted you, Now, amy AND i Did, Tuscany, alana AND
i Did amsterdam To. BELGIUM i love.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Biking we used to do the bike.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Trips we used to Do butterfield And.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Robinson but yoga is my kind of replacement.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Dance have you gone To india yet and done like
a real? Yoga does this look like?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
THAT i feel like you should do.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
IT i feel like you look you're biking all over the.
World maybe you should do a Little india yoga.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Trip wait back to, them did you only dance ballet
or was there other?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Films So gustno was a Jet, NO i ballet was.
Mandatory got It Mama manuel as a foundation AND i
was in first with joehol Or Gus jerdonald different stages
of my life with jazz or, modern but ballet was
always and you weren't allowed to drop.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It and from an from an artist, standpoint was there
a true expression there for, you like through your through
dance or was it more? Physical much more?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
PHYSICAL i don't know about your, daughter but my right
side is more, dominant so as long AS i could
do a performance going to the. Right but, no it
was a physical thing and actually ends up bizarrely later
saved my. LIFE i did. It, yeah WHEN i was,
SEVENTEEN i had a major. Accident oh, RIGHT i nearly
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died and the doctor, said if you weren't in your physical,
condition you would have been.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Gone and that was really really.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Made me obsessive about.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Exercise i'm just getting into my obsession of. Exercise i'm
forty nine AND i want to be in the best
shape of my life When i'm. Fifty And i've been,
like it's been three weeks And i'm hammering it right.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
NOW i think part of the nature and, Nurture like
my mom did the. Same she's, like you're in, ballet
if you're going to do you can do hip, hop
you can do you, know jazz, contemporary but you have
to stay in, ballet AND i HATE i was so
mad all the, time, right and it was the best
thing she ever. DID i have such. Discipline i'm on
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the jof for you ballet board now. AMAZING i love.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
DANCE i love going to dance and seeing performance all the.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Time oh my, Gosh i'm, LIKE i weep and my,
daughter of, course there's so many different, reasons but when she's,
dancing it's just Like i'd lose it every.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Time, well you should, go you know, what there's a serious.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yeah San Francisco ballet is one of the premier ballet
companies in The United states Of america in the. World
they have a great artistic director and you should Take,
yeah she will love you.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Liking that is a great. Idea i'll buy the. Tickets
that is a great for the dance.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
IDEA i wonder, ron, like where do you see yourself
in five? Years like you've done so? Much you know?
What what what are you looking forward? To be?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Consistent show? IS i want TO i can't wait to
see HOW i, mean my kids have become the young
adults and you've nurtured them and they're writing their own
chapters in. HISTORY i want to see where they are
back Where i'm. At. Two i'm making a decision in
the next two years about you, know my, uh WHETHER
i run or not for. Presidency, man that will be
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the last OFFICE i would cut a. Seat AND i
can't tell you if that's successful or. Not so that
determines where it will be on five years from, now
and if, Not ali AND i will be working on
our Flave ftchy.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Guests of course we'll do a show a question about.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
That what does that entail in those two?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Years one is if you kind of operationally the team
you want to put. Together most, IMPORTANTLY i have SOMETHING
i want to, say which is a. STORY i, Think,
look we're all three. Here we've we've been talking about,
family which is a relevant, subject but we're all fortunately
we can also do. Things let's be. Honest all of
our kids are going to start on the fifty yard
line for a lot Of americans and their, kids given
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the struggles to change the fifty mile an hour head
when they're going to be on their own. Tent AND
i just think, that you, know AS i often, say people,
have there's a sense you feel like it's you're screwed hearing,
that and it's heads somebody else wins and tails you. Lose,
well you're not, wrong because the system is actually rigged
against your success and against your kid's. Success AND i,
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THINK i don't think it's an. Accident when The american
dream becomes unaffordable is exactly when our democracy becomes. Unstable
people stop believing that this is. Working AND i want
TO i WANT i THINK i believe WHAT i said,
earlier which, is if you're An, american you won the lottery,
ticket and a lot of people feel like they lost
not one or not only the, confidence but the accessibility In,
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so if you have, that you are, where you are,
alive and you think you have something that others don't,
Have i'll make a decision to do, it and then
you put the team together to do.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It how much does your family play into this, Decision, well.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
It plays a tremendous, amount because you don't, one you
don't want to do anything to adversely affect your own,
kids and then b they've always supported me and the
things like. This it takes your, family you, KNOW i jokingly,
SAY i Put amy's lawyer on, spam SO i can
never you can never file all the. Papers and but you.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Know amy's been.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
You, know both Through, congress chief Of, staff mayor and.
Stuff she's been incredibly supportive of. Stuff it wasn't her
first choice That i'm. Not you, know nobody, GOES i
want to marry the guy that wants to be mayored
in on a regular. Basis and you, KNOW i have
protesters outside the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
House because like, this this is. Great you, Know i'll tell.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
You a funny not a funny, story but it's. True
so we live up north Of, brigleyfield AND i had
made a big. Decision chicago had the shortest school, day
and short school you're in The United. STATES i was
going to give the kids a full school, day go
from five hours to seven hours and. Fifteen and there's
a bunch of Pro we, go we get a strike
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for the first. Time there's a bunch of protesters. Outside
there's four hundred people every morning. Screaming so the third
day of the strike And amy and you could hear
the screaming. Outside fucked for, that you. Know And amy,
Goes i'm about to walk out open the, door and she,
goes you, Know i've seen you through an. Impeachment i've
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seen you through. Healthcare i've seen you through you, know
the fight for the assault. Weapon i've never seen you.
Calmer AND i, Go i've never felt more right about
What i'm. Doing open the. Door sure.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Her.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Credit she knows this is important to. Me it's not
the first. Thing and she knows WHAT i do is
something that's not a profession but something that's a. Calling
and so she. Supported And i'm very, fortunate very, fortunate.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Amazing well in, between, then if you go on a
fly fishing, trip you must let me know.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
DONE i feel like.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
AN i feel Like i'm Feeling iceland, GUYS i think
that we you, Know.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Okay did your guy former mayor Of louisville by the
name Of Greg. Fisherman, okay he goes fly fishing with
a group of guys every year To. Iceland, Kate i'm
gonna get all you know on the.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Street we're going to crash.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Trip that's, great but there's no, Floating.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Kate, no you gotta send you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Guys WHEN i get, Cold i'll just sit in the.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
LODGE i don't know if you know.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
This the, lodge it is far.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Away, okay, Fine i'm, Good i'm. Good i'm an outdoors,
Girl i'm.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Sending you The New zealand, picture the, video the video of.
It you are going to love.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It it's THE i want to go To New zealand
and so. Bad yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
AMAZING i started.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
With oliver AND i ended with.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
That's.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Great this has been So, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Thank you for taking the, time. BROTHER i love. It,
yeah this is.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
FUN i want to say thank you to both of.
You we don't talk as a country enough about the
fact how important family. Is and while it's fun we
were joking the fact that you guys decided not about
your professions or, whatever but about your PERSON i can't
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thank you both enough for letting people in on not
only your, lives but having people talk about, theirs because
we don't do, that and it's a it's a chronic
problem for us as a. Country we have so many
other things that stem from. That so thank.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
YOU i appreciate. That and you're so fucking right because
put everything, aside there's such relatability within family. Discussions whatever
side you're, on it doesn't. Matter those family reality are
all interconnected and if you can just talk about, it
you find common ground in an area that is not so.
Divisive that is just that is that is primal and.
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Real you, know that's where a lot of common ground
can be. Found we have a.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Really interesting family, too because we have a lot of
different beliefs in our, Family like we, all we're all very,
different and yet we can talk about, it we can discuss,
it we can argue about, it we can get a
little loud about. It but at the end of the,
day like we still only want to be with each.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Other usually our families don't want to be with each.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Other Thanks, rode, Guys, wow, cool he's.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Great he was. Great. Great, yeah that was. Great NOW
i have to vote for, him.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
CHOICE i want to talk to.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
EVERYBODY i, MEAN i think what he's saying is. Right it's,
like you, know it's so. Interesting it's such an interesting.
Time AND i think anybody who lives like and, SAYS
i want to be of, service you, KNOW I i
there's a it's a, calling AND i feel LIKE i
want to you know, what no matter what side you're
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on or what your beliefs, Are LIKE i think everybody
really you, know that's where that's the where it comes.
From so it's just interesting when you get to know
people from the point of view of their. Family you,
know and like what drives someone to be in a
to be in public you, know public, service it's like you,
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know AND i have to SAY i feel the same
way about, art you. Know and it's interesting that he's
a dancer and that he has like a real that artist,
expression even though he says it's physical for. Him but,
LIKE i think art is a gift. Too it's a
calling to, meaning like when you want to, entertain that
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calling is not necessarily just for, yourself even THOUGH i
think creating art is for. Yourself it's, too it's to
it's to impact a community or an, experience you, Know
and and so it's it's as important on one edge
as it is to have the calling to actually be
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in service of. Community and like, structure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Of, COURSE i THINK i think it. Is it is.
Service it's just a different way to look at, it you.
KNOW i, mean for, sure you're doing a public service
when you put something out there artistically that touches people
and makes people think differently and feel differently and can
potentially change their, lives which sounds, Extreme but art does,
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That music does. THAT i, mean someone have probably taken
people off the, edge you know WHAT i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
And only that it can shift your Whole you could
you could see a movie and look at your life and, go,
well wait a, minute wait a, MINUTE i don't want
to do this. ANYMORE i want to do. THAT i
want TO i want to Be i'm not living the.
LIFE i want to be right so that it can do.
It but but but then you and, THAT i, think
from the artist, side is a calling to be a
part of that sort of emotional, experience whereas in politics
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that calling is to actually feel like there's something that
they know that they can put out that can really
impact their community or you, know. Globally it's just it's
fascinating to. ME i wonder how many such a scary, thing,
yeah become a part, of you.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
KNOW i wonder how many lives my turn As Eddie
doling On Dawson's creek have.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Saved oh my, God, OLIVER i, THINK i, THINK i Think.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Nashville definitely definitely impacted a lot of. PEOPLE i, get
LET i get.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Letters, yeah BUT i just loved. That that was so much.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Funny you, know it's.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Funny we're not like very. Political you AND i, like we,
don't you. Know and so when we interview politicians or
people who are in. Politics it's fascinating to. ME i
really want to do more of.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
It, yeah it's an. Education, Yeah Green party would be. Great,
yeah Like Ralph nader is he's still. Alive i'll never
Forget Ralph.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Nader isn't that? Funny he was such a huge part
of our, childhood like that whole that whole election was
LIKE i feel like that was for, us like the
first election we understood it's.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
True Yeahs, PARO i love all these.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Characters that was like us as kids learning about, politics
these sort of yeah, Ticket OH i love.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
You that was a fun. One that was. Great, okay
Speaker 4 (50:07):
H
Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.
We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And what it's like to be siblings. We are sibling.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Railval No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's good, ollie. I were doing our intro right now.
I'm very excited to talk to rom.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah you know him by the way.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know I've met him. Yeah, I don't know him.
I know his bro I know arieh you know, because
Ari was and Pat Patrick was my agent for a
while for a long time. So I know Ari pretty
well and he's best he's with my bestie all that stuff,
you know. But but but uh, but I don't. I
don't know rom As very well. But what I do
(01:07):
when I hear his name, is I hear Deepak Chopra
doing the the chakra meditation with me. When you do,
he does a chakra and he goes Rom and Rom
I believe, I think is the one of maybe the.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Root chakra is it is that? I don't know?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Ye chakra? Sound is?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
What does it mean? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Associated the element of sound? No?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, okay, okay, meanwhile I speak. Okay, so chakra sound M.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I didn't get into the chakras, but I've got some
interesting information. So I d M.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
This the guy who did you know Nims Nims die?
He did the Seven Peaks that documentary where you like, yeah,
I know, trying to get me to climb Everest.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Oh Jesus, forget about it. I told him.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I was like, it'll it'll never happen. But I love
He's my d M buddy. He's like, he's like hey,
He's like, hey, do you want to climb Everest? Like
if you dream, we can do it. We can make
this possible. I'm like, absolutely not. But we have a
really funny d M relationship and he's he's a really
nice guy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah he's cool, crazy cool. But maybe I.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Could do another peak, like you know, something less crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, you know, maybe you know, like you imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
No, No, I'd make it to like the literally the
first base camp.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I'd be like, this is great, right, yea. Even even
getting to the first camp is snarl.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I love I love it. Okay, So Ram Emmanuel very
excited to talk to him, going over his sort of bio.
We're pretty connected. I'm going to talk to him about
fly fishing. He's a big worker outer, which I am too. Now,
Oh my god, yeah, I pump and he's an extremely
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interesting guy. I watch him on the news all the time.
We're not going to get deep into politics, but it's
hard not to scratch the surface anyway, especially given the
landscape of what we are doing. Yeah, you know what
I mean, But.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
I don't know. I don't know what landscape you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
It's the landscape in my mind.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh, politics, Ram is the solar plexus chakra. I'm really yes, Let's.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Let's see if he knows this. I want to.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I want to, Yeah, but I am excited to talk
to him.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Let's bring him in. Let's talk about his chakras.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, hey me, rum Oh, it's nice to see you.
Nice to see you guys coming to pod.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Have you and Kate met through your brother?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
No, I don't think so. I was thinking maybe it's
something maybe, but I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I know so I would No, we have not.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, nice to meet you.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Nice to meet you, guys.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I have a long history with your brother.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Nobody punished with two emmanuals, let alone three.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I can't imagine. I'd actually like to be a fly
on the wall when you guys all get together.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
But you will forget a word in edgews I imagine.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Is it like that? No?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Well, I bet that's the same thing for your family.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I wonder who talks.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
The most in our family or the moms or the emmanuels, And.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I can tell you who talks the most in ours.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So definitely Ari.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
No, No, Zeke talks about things he knows nothing about. Okay, y, are.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
You three brothers? And no, that's it, it's just three boys.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well no, the short answer is three brothers. Okay, twelve thirteen,
fourteen years later, Mom and Dad adopt your ear. She's
a week old, has physical a lot of issues, and
so it's kind of it's like as so we protect her.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, So growing up though, you guys were really super
like a tight And how many years apart are you? Guys?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Ari and I are sixteen months to the day.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Okay November twenty ninth March twenty ninth. Zeke is older
than me by twenty one months.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So basically, Mom just she went for it. She like
spit you guys all out go to dad Hey two.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Dad had a really good
few years.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Did you guys fight all the time?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, not all the time. Zeke gets his own bedroom
as he's the eldest boy.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Ari and I shared a room together growing up right now,
when we were very young. There's an infamous story of this.
Zeke and I have a bunk bed. This is when
we're living in the city. Ari has is the crib.
Next to the bunk bed. Zeke and I used to
jump from the top bunk into the crib to see
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how high the baby would bounce.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
That's what I imagine three boys so close in age
would be doing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, and you know, it does explain why I Aria
started walking at eight months.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It kind of explained everything.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, that's a very good point, I I I.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
So, you guys grew up in the city.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I grew up in the city.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I am in third or fourth grade is when we
moved to womet So up until fourth, third or fourth grade,
I can't remember exactly we moved. We're in the city
on Winona and Broadway, which is Edgewater community of Chicago,
and then we move up to woomet So.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You grew up in the cold.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Don't force me to make fun of you because.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
You're so California.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Yeah, I guess so California.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, hey, I grew up. I grew up in the
Rockies too.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
We have some Colorado in US.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I read a little about that before we go anywhere.
I do want to talk about Oliver's dancer, his twelve
year old Oh yeah, because I did ballet. I want
to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I wanted to talk about ballet. I also want to
talk about fly fishing, because I've been fly fish since
I was six years old. Like, you know, fishing is
my passion. It's not just fly I have a boat
in La I go catch big blue blue fin all
the time. Like I am a big fisherman period.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I have been fly fishing, and I know this does
not look like fly fishing twenty five years. Nothing like
standing in the water yep, wait and waiting up in Montana. Oh,
we have Amy as my place.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know Kimmel Jimmy is
a huge fly fishermen as well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah well, uh yeah, there's a couple of people. Yeah,
David let him as a place about forty five minutes
from where I live.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Oh wow, does Letterman like to fly fish. Yes, I'd
love I would.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I love to see fish.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I fly fish with my brother. But I'm like one
of those people that likes to float.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
She likes to float trips.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I like to float and drink. I like, I want
I want to. I want to fly fish on the
floater thing on the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You want to be on the water. I want the
water rushing at you.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I have a dream to go to Iceland. I want
to go to I want to go to Iceland and
fly fish. That's something trip I really want to do.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I'm coming with you, Well, I but I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I have a friend, Peter Freelander, who who loves to
fly fish, loves fishing. I'm trying. I've been trying to
get Allie and him to get and and he goes
to Iceland every year, and I'm like, I want to.
I want to go on that trip. I want to
go on that trip trip and do that.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah it's good, it's good salmon there. But also Patagonia
I've never done, and I want to do that. Yeah,
how incredible is it?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Three times if you count to Chile? Okay, the other
great trip. Yeah, I'll send you the video afterwards. Yeah,
New Zealand. Helicopter into a gorge and they come pick
you up six o'clock at night after you're there, dropped
off by yourself and or with a guide.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
God, that's incredible. That's the beauty of fly fishing, you know,
is it's just so much more than fishing. You know,
there's a spiritual, cathartic component to it all.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
When died fishing because because I know for Oliver it
started like really young, like it started at Troutdale. We
went to Troutdale and all he sat in like a
little palm, fake.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Pond, obsessed with fishing all my life.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
So we amy and I'd make a decision. We want
to take the kids to travel the world. And a
friend of ours has a single child and unfortunately just
passed away. And so our first trip is to Argentina.
And then we go to Argentina, we go to the Conzania,
we go to Uganda, we go to India, we allow us,
we go to get back all over the place. But
(10:10):
it started, Uh doesn't everybody start their fly fishing like
in Argentina? And are you know? And so that's how
it started. And I have found it really incredibly important
to my mental health, although my wife thinks I put
sport back into fly fishing. And I have a funny
(10:35):
story with Obama once and I, you know, but where
he was disturbing it and.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Does he He doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He doesn't getting in the middle of your mental health.
He's like, he's calling you.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
I said, I said, we did. It was not it
was a particular thing. And I just said, you're in
the middle of my fly fishing. And if you don't
hang up now, I'm doing I'm doing this on the
eighth all. And I don't give a crap about golf.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
That's right. Let's get back to childhood. I'm curious, you know,
you guys growing up, what kind of household was it?
You know, what were your parents like was it? Did
you have the freedom was what? Were they strict?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
What did they do?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
My dad was a pediatrician and my mother pre kids
was what would be called a radiologist nurse today, but
she's a nurse. And then she was very active quits
nursing and is very active in core congress our racial
quality from the late fifties early sixties, integrating Chicago housing
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in Chicato Beaches. Now I give my mother credit. It
was her idea. The kitchen slash meat dinner table was round,
so there was nobody at the head of the table
and you had to come to the dinner prepared to
defend or to argue. We talked about current events. We're
talking about politics, etc. We also grew up the first
(12:00):
eight years my father's mother lives with us. My mother's parents,
my grandparents. I'm a maternal spent two years living with us,
two separate times we had so there was never kind
of a nuclear family. We had a foster brother for
three for two years, so it was never a nuclear
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family in the sense of the five of us. And
we were encouraged to go at it about current events
and have a real discussion and stuff like that. And
we were very we were there was a piece of it.
You know, a lot of times Mom was gone because
she was arrested trying to do the work she was
doing us a right and my father. You know, it
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just comes to America from Israel, doesn't everybody when they're
building a practice. But a quit the American Medical Association
over National health Care in nineteen sixty two and tries
to practice and then Sue turns around and sues the
city of Chicago for lead in household pain.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Wow, when you're trying to practice medicine in Richard J.
Daily Chicago, not a good business model.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But that was just his conviction. He didn't give a shit.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, that he And that's how they raised this and
that's how kind of everybody's still, regardless of professional, very
focused on the news current events.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Were you were you guys resistant you know of that?
Was it like, no, this is what we're going to do,
and I don't give a shit if you like it
or hate it. We're going to sit down at the
table and we're going to talk about this and we're
going to debate in this.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But my parents were very strict about that. The family
had dinner in the same way that you know that
famous Mark Plank quote. At twelve, I knew my father
was a fool, and I was shocked what he learned
in only six years. I said I would never do
these things and ended up repeating doing. You know, even
when I was mayor in chief of staffor and whatever.
We had meals four nights a week, you did oh yeah, Friday.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Were your kids resistant to it or was it just
part of the fabric of the anuals.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
You grow up with it everything.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I find that the dinner table is the most important
place for kids. I try to do it. My thing
is three d at least three days a week. If
kids have to put the phones down.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Get a basket.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We got a house, They lie, I bought this little
house and they put the phones in the No.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
I mean, you know we do that, and I think
that I don't. I don't buy quality time and I
don't buy quantity. I buy presents. Present. Being present in
your child's life, Yeah, yeah, and it's more important. So
like let's say one of them were having a test
or whatever. I would do my reading laying on their
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bed and just be there because then they could say
something to you and you could be involved and it's
not a pressure. We have a little cottage on the
water in Michigan, and I used to we used to
go looking for beach glass and you would I would
take them in, one of them or whatever, and just
or all of us would go. And I just think
being present isn't that way? Is really? Really?
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I'm reading right now.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I used to have this summer reading list. Every had
to read three books, and then you had a leaded
family discussion at the end of the summer and your
favorite book. I finished eighteen sixty one with my son Zachariah.
Alana and I just read nineteen forty four and Land
and I are reading now. She just asked me to
read a book on October the October seventh events.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Amazing. Wow, Ollie, I want to know how you feel
right now.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I feel terrible about myself. I'm worry. How do you
feel like? I'm reading? I'm reading a lot. There's not
a lot of numbers in the books that I'm reading.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Right here, because I love them. Two of them are
in the arm board. But between zero and eighteen there
were like four manslaughter opportunities that I almost took a vantage.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Oh well, this makes me feel a little bit better
because I've got eighteen, fifteen and twelve, two boys in
my little girl. Now we're amazed. They're all amazing. My
eighteen year old he is a teenager who's just like
you know, and I'm like, who were you, dude? I mean,
all he wanted to do was cuddle with me. He said,
can you cuddle? Can you cuddle? I was going to
(16:07):
get a tattooed on me, he said it that much
and then all of a sudden boom, He's fucking not.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I'm serious about this.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
One is I used to say to Zach, I said,
you know, I said one time in a family and
I said, I swear to God, you're going to be fifteen.
I'm going to be fifty four. One of us is
going to make it. One is not when I tell
the judge why I'm getting.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Off, yeah, right now, but they.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Come back now. The other thing is, this is just
my vision underappreciated is when a my two daughters turned
not you have to be always involved, but specifically a
round twelve, a father's role in your daughter's life is
more important than the mother's role.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, huge, Yeah huge, Really fully, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Probably why i've been in therapy for.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
It's going good.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's going good.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Going back to the daughter father thing, where you know,
I have two boys. Then we had my little girl,
Rio and she is just an incredible being and I'm
in love with her so much. She's my favorite child
right now. I'm not afraid to admit that in any
way whatsoever. She's just so self sufficient and her executive
functioning is through the fucking roof. She's up at six
every morning, she's dressed, she makes her lunch, she makes
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her I mean, it's unbelievable. And she just sleeps in
her bonnet. She sleeps in her bonnet with her curls.
She's just so sweet. And you hear, oh, your daughter
is going to have her wrapped around her finger. But
I'm like, yeah, whatever, that's bullshit. It became true. I mean,
not that I don't discipline her at all, but she
like has me and I'm just so obsessed with her
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and getting to the dancing thing. She is just beautiful
and graceful, and she's dancing six days a week and
it's intensive, and she's competing now and I'm so excited
for her.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I mean, I look, I think the father daughter
thing is is an immense is an underappreciated under research
under discussed. It is the most important thing for how
they become a confident self a woman as they get older.
And I look at my, you know, two daughters, and
I think I took each of them a little after
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their bot mitzvah was on. Elanie and I did a
bike trip through Europe together and Israel and Lean and
I did a trip in Israel, and that those trips
were just really really important to us as a parent
and a child.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Unique rom I love I love hearing about your you
as a father.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
One other thing I would say when I was somebody
just reminded us today who worked for me I was
mayor even in the worst moments, I would obviously leave
the phone out of the office if they called. I
told my assistant, you bring me the phone that you
cannot tell them I'm too busy. I'm only I can
do it. Yes, they cannot be thought of as second tier.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, that's so smart.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
That's about And you know, and again Amy and I
when I ran for office, you can't find our kids
and my commercials. I never put them there. Yeah, they'll
know they're getting used.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah. Right, they're much smarter and more in tune than
we get.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How old are your kids now? Now that they're How
old are they now?
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Zach is twenty eight and he's a Navy intel officer.
Went to UCLA. Lana is twenty six, Navy reservists and
she's at graduate school University Chicago Business law. Lea went
to is twenty five, went to Princeton as one of
the leaders on national security and climate change.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
God this is so high functioning.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I know, look at us for Wilder's greater like eating
eating glue. He's amazing.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Getting from zerody.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I'm telling you that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, writers, writers calling me from his like, you know,
acting class where he's like playing a snake. Have you
read a book, honey?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Eat what?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Were you were you guys strict parents though as far
as education goes, and you know.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yes you are, yes, very strict. Yeah, but strict in
the sense of supportive and everything. But so we had
this thing on our Sabbath dinners, which is whoever got
let's say an A and science or whatever, you got
what was called the star plate, just a blue plate.
Everything else was white, the stars around it, and you
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were allowed to invite any friend and their family to
celebrate Shabbat with us. If you did something academically or
otherwise extraordinary or whatever, you got an A or whatever.
You struggled on a paper, but you got a smiley face.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But but I was very but amy and she would
agree that she was a little more understanding than yeah,
doctor badass.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, yeah, we had a red letter plate. Remember, we
had the we had the plate growing up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, it's if we put five if we did five
steps in front of one another.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
For us, it was more like if we if we
if we like, if we like won the CIF championships, like, yeah,
it's like I got a blue ribbon and jumping.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
You know, dinner a big meal at home.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, no, we were. But but but that being said,
you know, because my parents didn't have a nine to five. Yes,
our life was a little it was it was different
like like when my parents were home, they were home,
so we were when they weren't home. It wasn't like
it was when they were making movies. They can't The
(22:28):
weird thing about filming is that you get picked up
at five in the morning and you're not home until
dinner's done, you know, so you kind of have these
three month stretches where you're visiting your parents on set
and then when they're off, there's six months and they're home.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You ask them when they're leaving, can you get out
of here? We were, yeah, that.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Is like can't you get a day job? Can't you
like not be here and we can like sneak our
friends in the house. So but we had like we
had moments. There was a moment there where my mom
would do these big Sunday We'd watch a movie, people
would come over, we'd have meals. We're very social house.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But it was never a sit down, really sit down meal.
Well we're all talking and you know, and I think
that at least in my house. Again, you inherited that
from your parents, and I inherited that from mine. We
do not do sit down meals. It's all on the run.
It's on the go. The kids are fucking everywhere. And
I love to cook. I will cook, but they come
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down and grab it neat that and I'm just like,
all right, cool whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I mean, it's why all these kids stopped coming to
my house because I'm like, everybody's gonna sit down here,
take your shoes. I we're gonna sit down, we're gonna
have meal, put your phones away, and they're like, I'm
never coming back.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It was the shoes off thing that really have they
come back like they're like, Dad, anty, Kate made us
take our shoes off because like we're not, We're never
going back there.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It is a recent thing because of Kate in Japan. Okay,
you're right, I know, right, you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I I got with I married a Japanese I was
sort of married to a Japanese man. And the shoes
go off.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
How much a humor play a part in your in
your family? Were you guys able to were you funny?
Were you crazy? You know, because you're obviously a funny dude.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Humor humor, I thought you said, meaning Chuck Schumer is
that he was never.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
There was humor when we was Schumer, when you were
a young boy. No, No, it was an age humor,
you know, because you guys are funny dudes, You're you're witty.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I get you know, was very important. And you know
I remember these zero zero not Zerah Muspell mel Brooks
two thousand year old man in two thousand we used
to pay My dad used to play it every Sunday
night for us. I thought it was the funniest thing
you ever heard, the two thousand year old man, two
thousand and thirteen year old man. Yeah, very important.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I have a friend who's making a documentary on mel Brooks,
and I cannot wait.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
He is my He's like one of my heroes, right,
I mean, when you think about the work that he's done,
and how he's made people laugh and I think the
best all time.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
You know, watching your parents do what they did, you know,
obviously had a massive impact on what you guys wanted
to be a part of. You know, how much was
that sort of nature or how much was it nurture?
If they were steel workers, would you be a steel worker?
You know?
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Well, prior to politics and prior to dance, I was,
I mean, after dance, I was going to be a
early childhood educated, early childhood psychologist. That's what I studied,
and I was interested. Now I used to be one
hundred percent believing in nurture. Having had my three kids,
I'm of the view. I'm of the view that nature
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a dominant force, certain traits become more dominant in their character,
and other traits that they have recede to the background.
That's kind of my cheap pig child psychology.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I agree, Yeah, because as you get older, you kind
of start to realize patterning and you're like, wait, there's
certain parts of your authentic self that feel like they're
not present anymore, but they're in there, and they kind
of claw you a little bit, and you're like, wait
a minute, why I need to access that and why
why can't I You know, when you think about your ancestry,
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your DNA and what and what goes into that, like
if you look like all over just ours like from
you know, our grand great grandparents leaving hungry and them
being the only survivors from then on our father's side,
like the Sicilian mafia. You think about like all of
(27:00):
the things that go into that and then when you
you you you have to carry some of it. It's
in it's just in your DNA. We carry I believe
we carry that. You know that those strands that the
memory right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I mean, look, my mother was involved in obviously civil
rights movement, which is a big motivator of my getting
involved in politics. My dad being a pediatrician. You know,
I very much care. I created fold day kindergarten, full
day pre k, wanted to be an early childhood educator,
and those kinds are big important. But there's a certain
(27:36):
thing about also just that was about being the middle child.
I was always trying to make peace at home, and
so you know, I think I don't know, I don't
think it's fifty to fifty, but there's no doubt post
having my own kids that I believe nature plays a
bit more.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Dominant role than Yeah, and then you know, obviously life
of public service in essential. So your kids are doing
the same correct.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, it's interesting. So the example I was, you have
to do a year of public service. You won the
lottery ticket being an American and you have to give
something back. Now, I'm gotta be honest, I'm thinking teach
for America. Amy's you know. Zach comes back, he's in
UCLA and he says, third junior year, I'm thinking of
joining the Marines. And I'm like, well, I'm thinking like
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coast guard in Lake Superior. Okay, Now I didn't realize
fast forward that the Canadians were going to.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Be our enemies.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Yea father's grandfather are both Navy and maybe. Zach goes
back and after about three months he says, okay, I'm
I want to join the Navy, and so public service
is my kind of fifty percent contribution. Navy is Amy,
and he's on his completing his sixth year, and that's
(28:53):
Alana is now completing I think months is months six
as the Navy reservists.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
So my middle son came to me. They didn't city,
my mom, what he goes? What should I feel like?
I want to go to military school. I want to
go to West Point. I was like, he did. Yeah,
He's like I want to be a Navy seal.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
I'm like, what, Well, that's right, We're not going to
West Point. We're going to Annapolis for that.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I mean, I was like, what is happening?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Being set?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yes, he's fourteen, okay, and he comes his on his
father's side. His father was the only generation that didn't
serve and that's English and being just is like I
want to I want to like be in I want
to be a Navy seal. Oh, I have a heart.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Attack, Like this is a three and a half minutes
what I want cut to? You know, I wouldn't worry about.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
It either, doctor Emmanuel, I wouldn't worry about it.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
But what But what about his public service in general?
I mean, it used to be such an admirable thing.
You want to get into it, you know, but do
you find that it's just it's waning. People are like,
I don't want to get into this fucking.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
You know, actually, so I would give you now, I
don't what do I know? But still I still grew
up with the Kennedy. Public service is a noble profession.
I think our generation my sucks. I think my kids
generation and they are so much aware of the world
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and what's around them is now they think we are
all of us screwed it up. I said, well, the
world doesn't start just because you came around, so contra
to what your mother says that the world starts and
revolves around you.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
It's just true.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
But I think but they're much more civically and their
friends are much more cifically engaged than I remember my
high school and college friends, much more.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's good to know.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, they have everything solved all but they think that
we are all guilty for having screwed everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Of course, But then, but then the next step is
do they want to step into the arena and try
to make a difference, you know, llor just Monday morning quarterback?
You know, which is fine too.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I think at least the friends
they have and or the friends they selected, that's another
thing sidetrack. Yeah, you know you've done well on a
parent not based on a report card. I don't know
who your kids pick as friends. Yes, and if their
friends are good, good, you have done well. Yes, there's
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a moral judgment. It is not the A, the B,
the C.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Or the D.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I agree, it's the most under disgust and their friends
are were fabulous growing up, that's fabulous now. And that's
to me the most telling sign of the moral character
of your child.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yes, I could agree. I couldn't agree more. You know,
I'm not a grades guy. I'm an effort guy. You know.
If you work your ass off on a math test
and I see that you're trying and it just doesn't
work out, I'm cool. I'm good, you know. I mean body,
my middle son is school is easy. I don't know
where he fucking comes from. Math bang bang bang gets
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it all done. A's a's and he's the only one.
I don't know where this nurture. It's not nurture, but
it's definitely not nurture.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Nurture example nature.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Yeah, I'm signing of nurture. The other way, I'm like,
let's take two days off, let's go skiing.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I am I am big about grades, but I am
saying the moral character. Yes, you will not see it
in a report card. You will only see it in
the friends of selection.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yes, can we get into your dance. I really want,
I really want to know how this happened for you,
because I grew up dancing and I just love okay dance.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
So my mother is the old Eastern Europe her grandfather,
my grandfather, her father Moldova, Eastern Europe.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Piece.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Now you want six', three two hundred and pounds a, boxer,
steelworker me. Cutter my mom is five. Eleven she's growing
up in The balanchine. Era five Eleven Russian Eastern european
stock just doesn't cut the. Stag that's a always resented
that she couldn't be a. Dancer that's B see my
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freshman year of high, school in the off season of,
SOCCER i say to my, MOTHER i want to improve
my soccer. GAME i want to get my. BALANCE i
want to get ready for sophomore. Year that's My she
goes and this Is Rosie greer in The Minnesota vikings
taking up.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Ballet, YEAH i remember that the day, right she, goes.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
You should take up ballet and start to. Dance SO
i walk in and there's twenty nine women.
Speaker 5 (34:09):
And you're Pink AND i.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Was sitting on a bench with twelve.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Guys twenty nine.
Speaker 6 (34:17):
WOMEN i can figure this out AND i start, dancing and.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
That was the.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Reason but on the other, HAND i start to get
Really i'm good at. It actually it was really for,
soccer AND i discover a SKILL i didn't KNOW i.
Had AND i basically dropped soccer and pick up la
and then ended up having a scholarship to the school At,
(34:50):
geoffrey WHICH i didn't. TAKE i would decided to go
To Sarah lawrence.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Instead, wow did you keep dancing At Sarah?
Speaker 4 (34:56):
LAWRENCE i danced At Sara. LAWRENCE i danced afterwards always
in nineteen ninety five. AMAZING i danced at The Hubbard
street here In chicago And Joe. Hall growing, UP i
danced At Gus giordano And Evanston school of L.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
A i love.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Wow now now do you what do you do now to?
Like do you do? Pilatus do you keep your is
that something Your do you still keep your dancer?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Strength i'm strong about.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
YOU i.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
DID i. HAD i swear three times a week a.
MILE i do weightlift two times a week for an.
HOUR i do yoga twice a week for an hour
each AND i do bike and. Elliptical i'm. Great i'm
big about.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yoga do you have a? Peloton, no you actually rode? Bike?
Speaker 4 (35:46):
YEAH i did four WHEN i was. AMBASSADOR i did
four trips In. Japan i've done a bike Around Lake.
Michigan here bike on The oregon, coast the whole coast
From washington to Calf.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Dude how is? That that's? Beautiful and weather wise probably
gnarily so?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Great, okay it was.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
One rain and stuff like. That and THEN i did
A pittsburgh to D c on the old on the
converted you, Now, amy AND i Did, Tuscany, alana AND
i Did amsterdam To. BELGIUM i love.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Biking we used to do the bike.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Trips we used to Do butterfield And.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Robinson but yoga is my kind of replacement.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Dance have you gone To india yet and done like
a real? Yoga does this look like?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
THAT i feel like you should do.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
IT i feel like you look you're biking all over the.
World maybe you should do a Little india yoga.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Trip wait back to, them did you only dance ballet
or was there other?
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Films So gustno was a Jet, NO i ballet was.
Mandatory got It Mama manuel as a foundation AND i
was in first with joehol Or Gus jerdonald different stages
of my life with jazz or, modern but ballet was
always and you weren't allowed to drop.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
It and from an from an artist, standpoint was there
a true expression there for, you like through your through
dance or was it more? Physical much more?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
PHYSICAL i don't know about your, daughter but my right
side is more, dominant so as long AS i could
do a performance going to the. Right but, no it
was a physical thing and actually ends up bizarrely later
saved my. LIFE i did. It, yeah WHEN i was,
SEVENTEEN i had a major. Accident oh, RIGHT i nearly
(37:32):
died and the doctor, said if you weren't in your physical,
condition you would have been.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Gone and that was really really.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Made me obsessive about.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Exercise i'm just getting into my obsession of. Exercise i'm
forty nine AND i want to be in the best
shape of my life When i'm. Fifty And i've been,
like it's been three weeks And i'm hammering it right.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
NOW i think part of the nature and, Nurture like
my mom did the. Same she's, like you're in, ballet
if you're going to do you can do hip, hop
you can do you, know jazz, contemporary but you have
to stay in, ballet AND i HATE i was so
mad all the, time, right and it was the best
thing she ever. DID i have such. Discipline i'm on
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the jof for you ballet board now. AMAZING i love.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
DANCE i love going to dance and seeing performance all the.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Time oh my, Gosh i'm, LIKE i weep and my,
daughter of, course there's so many different, reasons but when she's,
dancing it's just Like i'd lose it every.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Time, well you should, go you know, what there's a serious.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Thing.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Yeah San Francisco ballet is one of the premier ballet
companies in The United states Of america in the. World
they have a great artistic director and you should Take,
yeah she will love you.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Liking that is a great. Idea i'll buy the. Tickets
that is a great for the dance.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
IDEA i wonder, ron, like where do you see yourself
in five? Years like you've done so? Much you know?
What what what are you looking forward? To be?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Consistent show? IS i want TO i can't wait to
see HOW i, mean my kids have become the young
adults and you've nurtured them and they're writing their own
chapters in. HISTORY i want to see where they are
back Where i'm. At. Two i'm making a decision in
the next two years about you, know my, uh WHETHER
i run or not for. Presidency, man that will be
(39:27):
the last OFFICE i would cut a. Seat AND i
can't tell you if that's successful or. Not so that
determines where it will be on five years from, now
and if, Not ali AND i will be working on
our Flave ftchy.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Guests of course we'll do a show a question about.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
That what does that entail in those two?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Years one is if you kind of operationally the team
you want to put. Together most, IMPORTANTLY i have SOMETHING
i want to, say which is a. STORY i, Think,
look we're all three. Here we've we've been talking about,
family which is a relevant, subject but we're all fortunately
we can also do. Things let's be. Honest all of
our kids are going to start on the fifty yard
line for a lot Of americans and their, kids given
(40:10):
the struggles to change the fifty mile an hour head
when they're going to be on their own. Tent AND
i just think, that you, know AS i often, say people,
have there's a sense you feel like it's you're screwed hearing,
that and it's heads somebody else wins and tails you. Lose,
well you're not, wrong because the system is actually rigged
against your success and against your kid's. Success AND i,
(40:32):
THINK i don't think it's an. Accident when The american
dream becomes unaffordable is exactly when our democracy becomes. Unstable
people stop believing that this is. Working AND i want
TO i WANT i THINK i believe WHAT i said,
earlier which, is if you're An, american you won the lottery,
ticket and a lot of people feel like they lost
not one or not only the, confidence but the accessibility In,
(40:56):
so if you have, that you are, where you are,
alive and you think you have something that others don't,
Have i'll make a decision to do, it and then
you put the team together to do.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
It how much does your family play into this, Decision, well.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
It plays a tremendous, amount because you don't, one you
don't want to do anything to adversely affect your own,
kids and then b they've always supported me and the
things like. This it takes your, family you, KNOW i jokingly,
SAY i Put amy's lawyer on, spam SO i can
never you can never file all the. Papers and but you.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Know amy's been.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
You, know both Through, congress chief Of, staff mayor and.
Stuff she's been incredibly supportive of. Stuff it wasn't her
first choice That i'm. Not you, know nobody, GOES i
want to marry the guy that wants to be mayored
in on a regular. Basis and you, KNOW i have
protesters outside the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
House because like, this this is. Great you, Know i'll tell.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
You a funny not a funny, story but it's. True
so we live up north Of, brigleyfield AND i had
made a big. Decision chicago had the shortest school, day
and short school you're in The United. STATES i was
going to give the kids a full school, day go
from five hours to seven hours and. Fifteen and there's
a bunch of Pro we, go we get a strike
(42:16):
for the first. Time there's a bunch of protesters. Outside
there's four hundred people every morning. Screaming so the third
day of the strike And amy and you could hear
the screaming. Outside fucked for, that you. Know And amy,
Goes i'm about to walk out open the, door and she,
goes you, Know i've seen you through an. Impeachment i've
(42:36):
seen you through. Healthcare i've seen you through you, know
the fight for the assault. Weapon i've never seen you.
Calmer AND i, Go i've never felt more right about
What i'm. Doing open the. Door sure.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Her.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Credit she knows this is important to. Me it's not
the first. Thing and she knows WHAT i do is
something that's not a profession but something that's a. Calling
and so she. Supported And i'm very, fortunate very, fortunate.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Amazing well in, between, then if you go on a
fly fishing, trip you must let me know.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
DONE i feel like.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
AN i feel Like i'm Feeling iceland, GUYS i think
that we you, Know.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Okay did your guy former mayor Of louisville by the
name Of Greg. Fisherman, okay he goes fly fishing with
a group of guys every year To. Iceland, Kate i'm
gonna get all you know on the.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Street we're going to crash.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Trip that's, great but there's no, Floating.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Kate, no you gotta send you.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Guys WHEN i get, Cold i'll just sit in the.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
LODGE i don't know if you know.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
This the, lodge it is far.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Away, okay, Fine i'm, Good i'm. Good i'm an outdoors,
Girl i'm.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Sending you The New zealand, picture the, video the video of.
It you are going to love.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
It it's THE i want to go To New zealand
and so. Bad yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
AMAZING i started.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
With oliver AND i ended with.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
That's.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Great this has been So, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Thank you for taking the, time. BROTHER i love. It,
yeah this is.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
FUN i want to say thank you to both of.
You we don't talk as a country enough about the
fact how important family. Is and while it's fun we
were joking the fact that you guys decided not about
your professions or, whatever but about your PERSON i can't
(44:35):
thank you both enough for letting people in on not
only your, lives but having people talk about, theirs because
we don't do, that and it's a it's a chronic
problem for us as a. Country we have so many
other things that stem from. That so thank.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
YOU i appreciate. That and you're so fucking right because
put everything, aside there's such relatability within family. Discussions whatever
side you're, on it doesn't. Matter those family reality are
all interconnected and if you can just talk about, it
you find common ground in an area that is not so.
Divisive that is just that is that is primal and.
(45:10):
Real you, know that's where a lot of common ground
can be. Found we have a.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Really interesting family, too because we have a lot of
different beliefs in our, Family like we, all we're all very,
different and yet we can talk about, it we can discuss,
it we can argue about, it we can get a
little loud about. It but at the end of the,
day like we still only want to be with each.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
Other usually our families don't want to be with each.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
Other Thanks, rode, Guys, wow, cool he's.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Great he was. Great. Great, yeah that was. Great NOW
i have to vote for, him.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
No.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
CHOICE i want to talk to.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
EVERYBODY i, MEAN i think what he's saying is. Right it's,
like you, know it's so. Interesting it's such an interesting.
Time AND i think anybody who lives like and, SAYS
i want to be of, service you, KNOW I i
there's a it's a, calling AND i feel LIKE i
want to you know, what no matter what side you're
(46:19):
on or what your beliefs, Are LIKE i think everybody
really you, know that's where that's the where it comes.
From so it's just interesting when you get to know
people from the point of view of their. Family you,
know and like what drives someone to be in a
to be in public you, know public, service it's like you,
(46:44):
know AND i have to SAY i feel the same
way about, art you. Know and it's interesting that he's
a dancer and that he has like a real that artist,
expression even though he says it's physical for. Him but,
LIKE i think art is a gift. Too it's a
calling to, meaning like when you want to, entertain that
(47:05):
calling is not necessarily just for, yourself even THOUGH i
think creating art is for. Yourself it's, too it's to
it's to impact a community or an, experience you, Know
and and so it's it's as important on one edge
as it is to have the calling to actually be
(47:28):
in service of. Community and like, structure.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Of, COURSE i THINK i think it. Is it is.
Service it's just a different way to look at, it you.
KNOW i, mean for, sure you're doing a public service
when you put something out there artistically that touches people
and makes people think differently and feel differently and can
potentially change their, lives which sounds, Extreme but art does,
(47:52):
That music does. THAT i, mean someone have probably taken
people off the, edge you know WHAT i, Mean.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
And only that it can shift your Whole you could
you could see a movie and look at your life and, go,
well wait a, minute wait a, MINUTE i don't want
to do this. ANYMORE i want to do. THAT i
want TO i want to Be i'm not living the.
LIFE i want to be right so that it can do.
It but but but then you and, THAT i, think
from the artist, side is a calling to be a
part of that sort of emotional, experience whereas in politics
(48:22):
that calling is to actually feel like there's something that
they know that they can put out that can really
impact their community or you, know. Globally it's just it's
fascinating to. ME i wonder how many such a scary, thing,
yeah become a part, of you.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
KNOW i wonder how many lives my turn As Eddie
doling On Dawson's creek have.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Saved oh my, God, OLIVER i, THINK i, THINK i Think.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Nashville definitely definitely impacted a lot of. PEOPLE i, get
LET i get.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Letters, yeah BUT i just loved. That that was so much.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Funny you, know it's.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Funny we're not like very. Political you AND i, like we,
don't you. Know and so when we interview politicians or
people who are in. Politics it's fascinating to. ME i
really want to do more of.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
It, yeah it's an. Education, Yeah Green party would be. Great,
yeah Like Ralph nader is he's still. Alive i'll never
Forget Ralph.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Nader isn't that? Funny he was such a huge part
of our, childhood like that whole that whole election was
LIKE i feel like that was for, us like the
first election we understood it's.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
True Yeahs, PARO i love all these.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Characters that was like us as kids learning about, politics
these sort of yeah, Ticket OH i love.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
You that was a fun. One that was. Great, okay
Speaker 4 (50:07):
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