Call-In Ep w/ George and Sam

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Boody who. This is George with a very special announcement.
First of all, my debut stand up comedy special is
coming out officially on December second. It will be available
to rent or purchase on Amazon and Apple and various
other websites. But that is not what I'm here to announce,
because it is not available yet. I am merely saying

(00:34):
that because I wanted to tell everyone that I am
having a big special release show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn,
New York on December third. That is the day after
the special comes out, So come to the Bellhouse, come celebrate.
It will be a big show. It'll be like a
George and Friends style show with some extra special guests

(00:55):
and surprises. And if you buy tickets now then you
won't have to buy them later when I announced the
lineup publicly, so you heard it here. First, Bellhouse, December third,
Special Release Georgian Friends show. And then the second thing
is that Sam and I are doing a sort of
last minute kind of industry adjacent show, a special edition

(01:19):
Stradio Lab Live at on Air Fest in Los Angeles
on November eleventh. It is a podcast festival and there
are a few tickets set aside for sort of the
ga general admission crowd. If you don't professionally work in podcasting,
you can still see us do our thing. So in conclusion,

(01:39):
come to my special release show at the Bellhouse in
Brooklyn on December third, and if you're in LA come
see us at on AirFest on November eleventh. The tickets
for that are on the Bellhouse website, on my link
tree on the Stradia lablink tree. Honey, if you look
for them, y'all find them. Enjoy The showcast starts now.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Hello all, we are coming at you bi coastally once again.
Our New York records have officially ended. We did six
weeks of New York recordings.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
We did six weeks of New York recordings. And now
you know, also, I have to say those recordings were
recorded during such an optimistic time. We were both in
such good moods. We were frolicking around various food trucks
in the Dumbo, Brooklyn area. It was pretty much still
summer in the sense that it was, you know, September. Yeah,

(02:33):
and now I am first of all, let's get this
out of the way. I'm sick. It's okay, you don't
have semi flowers, but it is what it is. I
have what is known in the medical community as brain fog.
It is absolutely kicking my ass. I'm taking fifteen minutes
to complete one sentence. So that's one thing. Drop that down.

(02:53):
Second thing. It is a gloomy New York day. I
would say the light that is reflected on my face
is the color gray.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I have to say. I still follow like a New
York weather account, and it like every day like says
like ten out of ten, like Sonny and seventy five,
and today it was like two out of ten. Torrential downpours,
miserable energy, avoid at all costs, And I was like,
I really want to come back to New York and

(03:25):
I really forget, Like I'm like scared for that moment
when you're like, damn, today is just miserable. There's no
way around it.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know what though it is, however, there is something
so almost there's this sort of joy and the self
flagellation of just being like I can't do anything. I'm
basically Sylvia Plath, and I'm gonna sit here and just

(03:53):
sort of sink deeper and deeper into my couch and
just be depressed doing emails I'm gonna make tea, but
then forget the tea bag and the tea thing and
then have one sip and be like this is absolutely disgusting,
and then throw it out and be like, you know
what I should get into tea? Finally, I can't keep
only drinking tea that's from the grocery store. But it's like,
that is such a high bar to entry. So then

(04:14):
of course you start googling tea. Next thing, you know,
you have seventeen tabs open, and you're like, I wonder
what my ex is up to, and then you go
on his Instagram, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
No, I think, what's so at least in New York
when you're when it's cloudy slash rainy and you're in
a bad mood, and you're like, well, of course I'm
gonna mood bad moods cloudy slash rainy today. I'm let's
let's be upfront. I'm in a horrible mood for seemingly.
I guess the reason is because I slept badly and
it's sunny and about eighty five degrees outside. I simply

(04:44):
have no excuse. I was mad that it was too sunny.
I was mad that it was nice out, and I'm like,
now this has to stop. You can't. The way that
La is turning me against sunny summary weather is shocking.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I used to because because yes, well exactly, because what
Ela does is infuse sunny summary weather with a sort
of like grim film noir element. It's like, it's like
did you It's very like David Lynch, It's like, did
you know that actually when it's sunny, that's because there's
darkness in the world and this is hiding it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, it's really really bleak.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And I'm glad you mentioned being in a bad mood
because we are honestly both in pretty terrible moods today.
And I'm feeling that there's a there's a part of
me that wants to address each of our bad moods
or for me to be like what's wrong, Like is
everything okay? Blah blah blah. But I'm kind of like,
put your own mask on first. I'm literally like I
can't think of anyone else's bad mood except except my own.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, and I just want to add to what's going
on with me? Is this so this will come out
after Halloween so I can say this now and it
won't be a spoiler, which why are to be a spoiler?
Who do I think I am? But for Halloween, Misha
and I've decided. First we were like, we're gonna be
Ham and Mitch. How funny. I bought a red wig,
I got red dye from my and I'm growing my beard.

(06:08):
Misha's got like a contrast cuff flowed shirt. Oh yeah,
and so we're like, okay, that's so fun. And then
we put the costumes on roughly and I was like, wait,
I kind of just like a normal guy in a
red wig, of course. And then it's like, okay, wait.
We were talking to some people and they were like,
what if you're sexy Camon Mitch? And I'm like, now
that's funny. And so I was like, okay, so it's

(06:29):
the same costume but like with like soft garters on
and like maybe like playing boxers on.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's really good, but.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Still like sweater and like v nex sweater and collared
shirt up top for me. And but then I've been
on various websites all morning. I can't find st Garters
for the life of me. They they they don't have,
like there are none in Los Angeles that I can
find and Amazon sorry is not delivering until Saturday.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
You know. This is of course when those things where
my instinct is to google it and think I'm gonna
find it in two seconds, and it's like, no, you're smart,
you've tried. You've tried what I'm about to try.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It's I mean, there is like I could like look
up like men's suiting stores and like call them and
be like do you have these? But it feels like
such a niche product at this point, or like even
like I'm like sex stores, Like I'm like, has it
just gone into full kink wear where like the sock
garter for men?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
But I don't you think so. I mean, I understand
the desire for a sock garter, but there are other
ways to make a costume sexy, Like I think if
you can't find one, you will find other ways to
pull off the iconic costume sexy.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Cam and Mitch, of course, it's just a SoC guard
would really sell it.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, are you gonna have a lily?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Because we wanted to have like, you know, we're going
to a house party first, so we were like, oh,
we should like bring a bottle of something wrapped up
in a baby blanket. But then we were worried that
people would like, if we posted a picture of us
as Cam and Mitch with a baby, they would think
it was a baby innouncement, right I do.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I don't know if that many people would think that,
but I respect it. I was more thinking that you
were worried that like libs of TikTok would pick it
up and then it would be like, look, these these
gays think that having a child is kink.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, you're right, and I
should let go of the salt garter, but I really
committed to it in my mind.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, no, I get it, and it is the perfect
way to make It's the perfect way for something to
be kinky while also gesturing at preppy dad, which is
basically what you're trying to do with them with your
Mitch costume. Yeah that's really good though, and I mean
Mitch is a little more challenging. But Cam, if you

(08:47):
have one of those contrast cuff shirts, it's like so
immediately clear what you're being.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I was honestly like jealous that got to be Cam,
and then I was like, we're both Cam, and then
I like no one of us has to be match.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
It would be really funny if you.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Were nine of one thousand cams.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
So basically, this is a call an episode, and we
are having disagreements about which calls to.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Take, huge disagreements.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Huge disagreements to the point where I was actually like,
we have to start recording otherwise we'll get into a fight.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
And it's kind of this ever happens to us.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I know it was a real I mean, I think
this has to do with both of us are not
feeling great and are sleep deprived. I'm not going to
get into it, but when you mentioned sleep problems, I
wanted to also talk about how I've been having insane insomnia.
Like last night, I watched after we had watched TV
and went to bed by myself. I watched five episodes

(09:48):
of thirty Rock just in bed in the dark, like
with my laptop there, which usually would put me to sleep,
and I was just eyes wide open, staring into my screen.
And this has not been happening for like a week.
I'm just like being up until four am, not being
able to fall asleep, and I think it's stress related
and and I don't know. Also the like travel over

(10:13):
the summer didn't help, but I'm I'm so tired.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
We I'm gonna I like the idea of sort of
reading through we have. We get so many calls and
I want everyone to know that there are I put them.
We put them all in a spreadsheet. Then we like,
based on our whims that day, we highlight them that
we think are good. That we end up doing whatever
we feel like in the moment. There are questions that

(10:43):
keep getting asked over and over again, and we are
not sure if we've ever answered them.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
We are.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
It also depends on our mood. Sometimes we want to
do more advicey questions. Sometimes we want to do pop
culture questions. Sometimes we want to do more like conceptual questions.
What are the ones that we're sticking out to you?

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I wonder I was preferring the ones that were sort
of like either like very open ended pop culture. I
think I don't like when it feels like a quiz. Yeah,
And I also don't like when I feel like I
have to like speak from huge authority, because sometimes say
I find that to be like, I'm yeah, but I
was liking the open ended pop culture ones, which just like,

(11:19):
what are your thoughts? On this, and I was also
liking sort of the like maybe options, like I have
I have a choice. I can either do this or this,
Which should I do? Like that was really speaking to
me because I was like, it feels easiest, not that

(11:41):
not that it's all about ease. I'm just sort of
like that was what was speaking to me. We was
speaking to you.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
So here's what I think. Maybe this is a crutch
I'm falling on, but I think people generally like recommendation culture.
Right now, I have mixed feelings about how every single
thing now is like so and so is five favorite
skin care product, so and so is five favorite movies,
things you can't live without, Like that like questionnaire that
people do on Instagram that's like things things Amanda Seifried

(12:10):
loves and things Amanda Siphreid hates, uh huh, or like
the perfectly imperfect newsletter where it's like all people recommending
things and you have to do two things that are
specific and then one thing that's like the feeling after
a rain when you have a burger, and you have
to like be just of Carrie Bradshaw enough about it
and be like like things you don't like compulsory child

(12:31):
are airing or whatever, and I and I think that
adds enough structure. Like, for example, we got a question
that was like, what is the last truly perfect movie
you watched? And I was like, Oh, that's fun because
I can It's limiting enough that I can go back
through the movies I watched recently and just like pick

(12:51):
a few. And then you were like, why would anyone
want to listen to me talk about how I thought
one battle after another is good? Everyone think it's good.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, I was like, I'm not like reinventing the wheel here,
Like I was kind of like you could like to me,
and all respects to that caller, but I was like
the perfect what I think is the perfect movie that
I watched?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Like a perfect movie.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
To me? I was like, like, it's I also think
I'm sort of like maybe I don't believe in I
think for some reason, the phrasing of the question of
like what is a perfect movie you watched is like
stressing me out because it invites like people to be
like you thought that was perfect?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Like don't you love just recklessly having an opinion?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And maybe part of it is like I don't think
I've ever thought any movie was perfect, like like it's
a wonderful life maybe, but I bet you could trim
a couple of mens, like like, I'm just sort of
like nothing's perfect.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, that's tea I was. I recently randomly watched Invasion
of the Body Snatchers for the first time, the one
with like Donald Sutherland, and I guess I would say
I had low expectations, but I was like, this is
someone else, you know, Matthew put it on. I was like,
all right, I guess we'll watch it. And then by
the end, I was like having such a good time

(14:11):
and it was like so simple and not trying to
have like a million twists and turns and like really
well shot in this sort of fun seventies like paranoia way.
And I also recently watched in the Mood for Love
for the first time, and so those were gonna be
my two sorry, not interesting, and then the other and
then wait, so you you were drawn to? You were

(14:35):
drawn to for example, what celeb or what popstar right
now has the gay men, gay women and straight women
in a choke hold?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well? And I thought the call behind that was very
smart when I read through it, a bit like.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Well, let's maybe do how about we do our first
how about we do our first call and start there
and then get the wheels turn in.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Okay, Okay, I sayim and George. My name is Casey.
I'm calling from Massachusetts. My husband and I went to
your Summerville show.

Speaker 6 (15:06):
We loved it.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
He was really not too familiar with your work until then,
but he laughed the whole time, and I'll just say
he was particularly charmed by Sam.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
My question for you is interesting.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
This is a Lily Allen breakup album happening right now.
It's amazing, incredible. What was your perception of their relationship
pre breakup and now with this album post breakup? Did
you I'm curious what the gay community thought, particularly of
David Harbor during his height of like people loving this

(15:41):
sad dad thing and now knowing what we know now,
have things changed at all? Thanks for your thoughts and
your amazing.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Podcast by well, what can you say? Straight guys love me?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
It was such an interesting choice to include in a
call that you know that had it all. It was complimentary.
You're building up to a great relevant question to want
to immediately create a rift between us by saying your
straight husband liked Sam Moore.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
I mean this is there is a toxic desire among
all to pit gay podcasters against each other.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's so the phrasing of and I'll.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Just say, don't just say, don't say he was.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Especially charmed by Sam. Why would you just say that?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Why would you say that?

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Someone recently commented on a on one of our clips
with Adam Friedlanden was like, it's my duty to say.
I was like, no, it's not. Shut the hell up,
shut up, Go okay, what do you to? Obviously, David
Harbor is so comically your type that it is even

(16:49):
a cliche to bring him up.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
So David Harper is a huge sex symbol in the
Barrack community. It is not just me, of course, that
finds him hot. It is anyone who finds Bear. He's
like on Bear fan pages constantly, and it's like very
interesting for the Bears. I don't think this is gonna
make a splash. I think everyone will still want to

(17:12):
have sex with him. For the general public, I'm interested
in how you feel, George about will people like turn
on him?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
You know, I am so confused about where we are
as a like mainstream, sort of straight leaning culture on
men and women right now. And I'm saying that in
complete earnestness, like there is I believe this very kind
of predictable but grim backlash against it started out as

(17:47):
being a backlash against quote unquote girl boss culture, which
I hate to use a word that has never literally
meant anything. Literally. It is something that from the beginning
was a punch line that the book girl Boss by
Sophia Marusso came out and immediately was a punchline. This
idea that we have in retrospect that at one point
we were in the girl Boss era and now we're

(18:07):
not is stupid and only people who write for digital
media believe it, So wake the fuck up and be
an adult. So anyway, first it started as a backlash
against girl boss culture, which is in its own way
completely like veiled misogyny and sexism. Then it became a
backlash in an even more dark way against like me too,

(18:27):
because of course like people were like very confused how
to act, and so then you know, you suddenly had
like the random Babe dot net article about Azaz, which
everyone felt weird about blah, and so then every the
water's got muddied so much that basically anytime, anytime a
woman speaks now she sort of is like not quite trusted.
Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I would agree. I think we're in a really complicated spot.
And this particular drama is interesting too because it's like
both new and old. Yes, it's like sort of a
cheating scandal, which is classic vintage. She's not necessarily saying
like he abused me. She's saying like he was like

(19:08):
a horrible partner and we've had a miserable couple of years,
and that makes it old. But then it's new because
it's like, well, we were open, so it wasn't like
fully illegal, and like it was just like he broke
the rules of our open agreement.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. So there's something very very now about it. Yeah,
and there's also something very sorry, aging millennial about it.
Like it is so Lily Allen is such a classic
millennial voice, and you know, I hate to talk about generations. Yeah,
but you just have to, like she is. She is
someone who could only be the exact age she is.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
So when we were talking about like the status of
Data Harbor, I'm like, I don't think the quote unquote
cancelation of a man has the same uh weight that
it did in like twenty eighteen, twenty nine. Yeah, but
at the same time, this album is clearly making a

(20:05):
big impact. Yeah, but in my world, I'm seeing it
more as like you go girl, Lily Allen, than like
David Harbor is an asshole.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, I think it's you go girl.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's like it's almost beside the point who he is.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Yeah, it's like interesting. It adds a level of intrigue
that it's someone famous that we all can just like
recognize instantly. But it's not. It doesn't it's not the
whole story. It is more like you did that thing,
you got out of there, and your body looks amazing.
I do feel like that's we're not talking about that. That
that's part of the album. Roll out is like her

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being like and also, look at how my body looks amazing.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
No. Yes, she's almost leaning into this sort of imperfect
victim narrative in a way that I actually find kind
of fun because Lilyana Lily Allen is an insane.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Person, always has been.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Lily Allen is not like some innocent, you know wifey
who like was so optimistic about this relationship and she's
always been looking for love and then she got her
heart broken like Lily Allen is a psycho.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, she's a bad girl.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
She is a bad girl. She's a psycho. She's done
insane things in the past. She I would say, like
partially owns it. Like I think, for example, she she's
openly being like, well, I was the bad person in
my previous marriage, so like I was able to relate
to him whatever. But then she hasn't quote unquote owned
some of the other insane shit she has said, you know,

(21:31):
over the year. She's very much a classic like celeb
who is on social media, whether it's podcasting, whether it's
the whole stunt sheeted where she like ran her own
only feet or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Oh sure, sure, is that what that website's called Wiki.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Feet not only fee.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I mean, I am impressed with the whole album in general.
I think if we're just talking about broad broadly, I'm
sort of like I think we had we talked about
how like it's both like very interesting and you're like
the first few listens you're like, wow, this is great,
and then you were saying that you like kind of
feel gross.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Now well I find oh wait, sorry. One more thing
about David Harber is that he has a sort of
evil looking face. Yeah, And I actually sort of think
part of his appeal is this kind of villainous energy.
And so I think, if anything, in terms of my
attraction to him, for example, this album is not making

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me less attracted to him or making him less of
a desirable object if you are prone to be attracted
to him. If anything, I'm like, Wow, it's so hot
that he had a bag of dildos or whatever she
accused him of having.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, butt plugs and stuff in the lube, and I'm
literally like, wait, were you using them on yourself? Wait?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Wait, wait, wait wait wait wait yeah, I e lube.
So wait, sorry, but you asked me a question. Oh yes.
I feel like there is something about the entire album,
the entire album being about the same thing. And I
know that it has a narrative arc to some extent,
but honestly, it's mostly that every song is about the
same thing. And you know what, it almost feels like

(23:08):
it almost feels like being waterboarded with like pornography. Like
it reminded me of the Goonerer article where it was like, yes,
like in small doses, it's like really cathartic to listen
to Lily Allen like say, like, fuck this guy and
he did this to me, and he did this to me.
But to listen to that for like fifteen songs straight
sort of makes you want to do something else.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, No, it can feel a little. It's it's just
so confessional that I'm sort of like you like you
let like a recording studio here, you do.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
This right, And I sort of respect that she is
not she's kind of avoid Well I haven't listened to
the final songs that many times to remember, but I
don't think she's sort of avoiding like a catharsist at
the end, or like an empowerment narrative, right, Like, it's
really just like you're an asshole, You're an asshole, You're
an asshole, You're an asshole the end. Yeah, which I
do respect, like totally. Something like something like Lemonade, while

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being more artful, is also more calculated and can feel
too overwritten, Yeah, whereas this one really does feel like
she just like put it all out there.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, it's I respect that I respect to an extent.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah. So final thoughts on David Harbor. You know we
would both still have sex with him probably.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, send nudes David Harbor. I will do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
And Lily Allen, it's like, you know, if nothing else,
I'm like, good for you for still getting lips of flappen.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I fully agree.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I'm kind of like you know, I I obviously I'm
holding you at arm's length and I would never want
to be your close personal friend because I know you
would ultimately betray me and then potentially post screenshots of
our texts. But that said, you know you are kind
of one of the og And I love Lily Allen
when I was a teen, and as much as I

(25:05):
am being a little mean to her, I get defensive
if someone else is mean to her.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Of course you've earned it.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Like she's she's kind of a legend.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah she is.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I didn't know people cared so much about her.
I was like, she's one of those people to me
that I'm like, isn't it weird that I listened to
Lily Allen when I was like seventeen, I am not
seventeen whatever, fourteen.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
It's it's one of those things where I'm also surprised
that everyone knows her, but I celebrate it.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
You Sam and George love.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
You girls, Love you down.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Okay, my question is for stand up comedians, which you.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Guys are Clockett.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
We're at like.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
A really intimate venue or any venue, I guess, and
you're performing in front of someone that is just like
so hot and sexy, and you're like you want to
maybe fuck them? Does it like improve your performance or

(26:08):
do you And yeah, I'm just curious what it's like
behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
All right, love you, love you too. I try to
remain professional for the most part, but it does distract me.
I will say I do notice, like if there's someone
like you know, a lot of venues, it depends on
the lighting. Sometimes you can see the audience very clearly,
and sometimes you can't see them at all. And when
you can see someone who's like very hot and you're

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there's like I'm like, so, what's your deal? Like there's
there's a part of me it's like, what's your deal?
And I know, like you know, it's I know, nothing
can happen. You know, I'm on stage and they're in
the audience. That's like a barrier that can't.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Be right, Like that going through your head. You're like, okay,
like we could hook up now wait no, I'm on stage.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Fuck, But I'm like there's something but I do have
I have one story George about this where one time
I was doing like my very first like solo show
at the Annoyance Leader in Brooklyn, New York. And it
was like a mixture of characters and stand up and
I did a character then right at the beginning and

(27:18):
I where I talked to an audience member, I picked
an audience member and there was a hot person there
who you know, I think I told you the story
and I'll say, yes, you have you have yeah, okay,
and I called on him and he immediately was like
mad at me, like right at the start, mad at me.
And I was like, damn, I shouldn't have called on
the one person that I found hot. And it was

(27:42):
like the first bit in the show, and it did
kind of ruin it slightly.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I actually think that's very you because you like giving
yourself a challenge, ah, like, because you know that's not
going to go as well as picking like a random
ugly person. It's so classic, this classic.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I was trying to have my cake and eat it too, Honestly.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, I feel like when I see a hot person
in the audience, this is so humiliating. But rather than
thinking wow, I'm in a position of power because I'm
the one with the mic and they must really like
me and that's why they paid to see me. I'm
thinking the exact opposite, which is I'm thinking I'm the
theater kid loser on stage and this person is sitting

(28:27):
there with her arms crossed, being like the hell does
this like idiot have to say, Like I'm going to
go to football practice after Like, I revert back to the
high school damage realm. You're you're the hot person and
I'm like the loser that is trying a draft of
my art project on stage. Wow, So I'm not. I
don't love when there are hot people that I can

(28:50):
see from stage, and it does not in any way
turn me on. What I do enjoy is a hot
person potentially talking to me afterwards and complimenting the show,
potentially sitting in the back so I don't see them
as I'm performing, and then coming up to me afterwards.
I you know, I I'll enjoy that. Yeah, that's and
that's that's why we do it.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
That's why we do it, folks.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
So wait, I want to just quickly say one of
the ones we disagreed on is what is a piece
of media we loved in our youth that we now hate.
And I want to say, get ready because this is
a shocking thing to say. I tried rewatching Austin Powers
recently and really could not get into it. You already
crazy such a bit.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You knew that would hurt my feelings, and I to
hurt my feelings.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I almost want to try again because I think maybe
I was in a bad mood. And then the other one,
which I think I've talked about before, is the movie
rat Race. I have a memory of loving and I
watched it recently. Just stonefaced. Mmm.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Hey, my name's Jeff and my name's Connor. Long time
gay guys, first time callers.

Speaker 7 (29:55):
We're calling today because of a debate that is absolutely
tearing our friends group apart.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
We want to know is Lord a gay pop diva.

Speaker 7 (30:07):
I think Lord is absolutely a gay pop diva, but
I think she's not there yet.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Now.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
We agree that Charlie Mariah Resa, for example, are gay
pop difas, and we.

Speaker 7 (30:20):
Also agree that Dua Lipa Pink and Atlant morsett as.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
We have all kinds of arguments either way, but we
don't want to give them to you because we want
to sway your decision. But if we keep talking about this,
our friends are going to kill us. So we need
to call in professional help from the girls. So please respond.

Speaker 7 (30:42):
We need this debate suttle.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Thank you so much, Diva and soon Hi.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Love you Diva, Love you divas. This is so interesting,
you know it's it's I'm feeling a little bit like
when someone tells you who they are, believe them, and
I'm like, so you think du A Lipa is not
a gay pop diva and I'm supposed to sort of
listen to your rankings. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. If she's

(31:11):
not a gay pop diva, then what is she a
pop singer?

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Oh my god, I'm sorry, but this is like, you know,
this is like, however, how everyone is over using iconic
and legend and blah blah blah. I was you know
what my pet thieves is like when people are like,
happy birthday to this New York darling, It's like, what

(31:38):
the hell are you talking about? That is? Jason? Yeah,
so I like du A Liipa, but you know, give
her she's still cooking.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
I couldn't disagree more. I'm like dou A Lipa like
with future nostalgia alone. I think she like has made
an impact, is so big and is so specifically like
for like the gay community.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Listen, I love dou A Lipa. I need more vulnerability
if I'm gonna call her a gay pop diva. The
whole point of being a gay pop diva is that
you are. You have this narrative of being the underdog
and then persevering you have gone through and I understand.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Does give vulnerability.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Well, she's Australian and she had cancer. Did how about
you check yourself?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yes, I'm not seeing vulnerable from her. I'm seeing perfection.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Listen. Ah, okay, hold on. So you're saying you don't
trust the people that made this call because they don't
think dou A Lipa is a gay.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
A gay pop diva, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
But that actually doesn't really answer their question, which you know,
anyone can ask whether or not you agree with your
opinions or not, which is lord of a gay pop diva?
I hate this, by the way, this is an example
of a question you like and I don't like.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Oh my gosh, why don't you like it?

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Because it I have because it it damns us into
being like chatty gay guys.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
But that's what we are. I know, it's one part
of us. We have a multifaceted personality.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Is Lord a gay pop diva?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I don't know. I think I kind of think. See
the thing is, I think you have to like consent
to being a gay pop diva, like, and I don't
know if she's consenting to that. I think that, Like,
I think that's sort of what what I'm talking about
with like dua lipa honestly is like she's like, I

(33:48):
think she kind of considers herself a gay pop diva,
like and Lord is sort of being like Lord thinks
she's the Strokes. She's not, but she thinks she is.
And so that to me, like seeing her call answer
in Vegas famously was to die for let's start there.
But she really wants to be like I'm a I'm
a like I'm just like you. Like I'm like, yes,

(34:11):
I'm up here, Yes I write these songs, but I'm
merely a reflection of you. And I'm like, I don't
see myself as larger than life. I see myself as life.
And so I'm like, I think I don't I think no,
because she doesn't think yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I would say, I would say I'm sorry to this
group chat. I would say self, evidently no is the
correct answer. I just don't think that is what she
is striving to be or accomplishing being. And I also
think part of the gay pop diva thing is obviously
overcoming adversity and at some point being an underdog and

(34:51):
being crucified by the media whatever. But then another part
of it is being kind of like difficult and having
literally diva bea. I mean, that is why Mariah Carey
is a diva. That is why beyond uh Madonna is
a diva, Like that's the whole. And Beyonce, I'm not
not to say she's difficult and that she's like like

(35:12):
treats people poorly, but difficult in the sense that she's
famously particular and is like always with the laptop and
like calling the shots and like you gotta have some
of that energy. And I'm not I think the pure
joy of a dua lipa or the pure like emoness
of a lord is not quite there. Like you got

(35:32):
to sort of combine it all and come out and
be and become like share, sure, share, But that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Mean gay guys don't like lord, it just means yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I mean, I guess I'm even like, is what gay
pop diva? Maybe you know what, I'm being so old fashioned.
I'm kind of being old gay guy that is at
the gay bar and is like reminiscing about the eighties. Like,
to me, a gay pop diva is a very specific thing.
I don't even think Charlie is a gay pop diva,
and I'm not saying that as a nock to her.

(36:09):
I love Charlie, but I think you need it's a
specific thing.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I think that is. I think to fully answer
this question, we would have to define what is a
gay pop diva, because I think that's where the disagreement
is coming in, is that we have not defined the term.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Well, I would say that a gay pop diva is
kind of dangerously close to the definition of a glamour girl,
which is someone who is glamorous, wounded and seeking truth.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
But there's the added definition of like and also is
known for belting totally.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Oh that's true. Yeah, Like, does a gay pop diva
need to be a vocalist? I would argue probably yes.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I would argue probably yes, whereas maybe a gay pop girlye.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
That Wow, that's a really good point. And in fact,
I actually do think that's why the phrase gay pop
girly was sort of on the rise, is because there
was a crop of these gurly that were not quite
diva status yet and.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
They don't want to be like they they don't they're
not looking to be.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
And also, you know, I gotta say there is an
age element to the diva thing too, Like I'm a
little bit like graduating towards diva status means, oh, you're
about to age into Vegas residency.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Right right, right, right right.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It is too early. Even if Lord was going for
a Mariah thing, which she obviously is not, it is
too early to graduate her into diva.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah. Diva is your masters that's right.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And you know or PhD. We Curly is your master,
Curly is your mass. Diva is your PhD.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
See.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, if you're just pop singer, you're you have a bachelor's. Yeah. Yeah,
and I do think do It for the Record has
a master's.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
I'm glad you can agree.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes, you know, she might be what she might be
doing her PhD. You know, when you do a PhD,
part of it is getting a master's. Like anyone who
gets a PhD also gets some masters, so I think
Dua is on the PhD track potentially. But she's presented
her master's season. Everyone's saying, this is promising. Can't wait
to see how you make it into you know, your
monogram monogram monograph.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Anyway, So since we're talking about the podcast, when we
make the podcast, I have to say, see, that's why
I like questions like that. Oh shot, What you're forgetting
is that we will put the pop star diva question
through our lens and we make it our own.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Whereas you think if I were to ask you what
is a piece of media you love in your youth
that you now hate? Nothing would come out of that conversation.
It would be very straightforward, and your answer would just
be titanic George.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
When I say, when I say, my answer would be
well nothing, because I respect the child that I was
and the journey that I had.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
That's not a fun answer. Oh that's a that's a
void the question.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Hey, good guys, calling from Miami. Yeah, yeah, you're je No.
I know, I know nobody likes Maammy, but my question
I should out to questions protein proteins everywhere, and I
think we haven't really heard from you guys about protein
and if it's gay or or what. I think it's

(39:25):
straight in an obvious way, but you guys always come
up with new perspectives and as where we listen and
then yeah, never mind, that's gonna be my only question.

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I love you guys.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Keep doing great work saving the world.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Something I love about gay guys is myself included is
that they will be giving you a straightforward compliment, but
the tone of voice is like, but I could change
my mind at any second.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah, it's it's it's comforting. It keeps me in line.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Is protein gay or straight?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
This is so complex because I like protein is everywhare
Like we all know this. This is not a hot take.
It is just like like when there's protein cold foam
at Starbucks, Like you have to take a step back.
I mean for me, I'm literally being like, okay, then
what is protein? Like where are they getting all this stuff?
What mine is this coming from? I guess I have

(40:23):
no understanding what protein is. If you can just put
it in anything, I find it like it's there's like
a curve or something where it's like I think ten
years ago, protein was very straight and it was like
the stereotype of like the guy with the jug of
creatine powder and that's like the only food he has

(40:43):
in his kitchen, and it's like the straightest guy in
the world.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
And then like muscle milk, muscle milk, Like muscle milk
is such a classic kind of straight phrase, straight combination.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yes, and even the branding of musclemilk it was very masculine,
and there was something like where it was like this
is for straight guys, this this whole system, and now
it's turning into like like again Starbucks cold foam with protein,
and I'm like, it's becoming queer, and for yoga girl.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
It's becoming feminized. I mean basically what happened with protein,
just on a literal level, Sorry to absolutely blow the
alarm on this, is that the way capitalism works is
that one market was cornered fully all men were into protein,
so then they were like, how do we expand this market.
We feminize protein and make it also for women, And

(41:41):
then suddenly you have Goop and Gwyneth Paltrow promoting cottage
cheese pancakes and Starbucks cold foam that's advertised by some
brain dead influencer and you know you have like I
don't know, you can put proteins in your protein powder
in your what's the smoothie place in La and your

(42:03):
ear wan smoothie. That's literally what it is. Yeah, that's
what happened, and you all fell for it. And where
gay people come in is that there are both men
and women who are gay, which is interesting, and so
they are implicated in this.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
They are implicated in this. I will say, I still
on the whole think it is actually more straight male
to have the big jug of protein powder in your kitchen,
but gay guys do do it well.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yes, the protein powder and the protein maxing is obviously
very straight, but an attention to protein is also very
like just mom Like it's kind of like following, you
know what's very straight the food pyramid. Like that, like
believing in and following the food pyramid and making three

(42:52):
plates for your three boys and making sure they get
their chicken and their broccoli and their rice. That is
also very mom and straight. Yeah, food is complicated obviously
because it is such a third rail. It's like I
feel like, honestly, in a post cancel culture world, food

(43:13):
is still the one thing I don't quite know how
to talk about Yeah, because people are obsessed with pathologizing everything,
either accusing you of having an eating disorder, accusing you
of you know, in terms of meat, veganism, dietary restrictions,
accusing you of being an ethical in any in whatever
way they believe in that one moment, if you are

(43:35):
too ethical, then suddenly you're like a blue haired leftist cuck. Yeah,
so this is like I do find that nutrition wise,
it is an interesting question. What is a straight versus
gay outlook on nutrition? Like what do you think?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, this is like such not to be completely insane,
but I'm like, this is why we need our institutions back.
Like we literally need like a standard of eating that
is like so this is sort of what you should like.
The food pyramid has fallen and we need to rebuild
it because we need just like a like here's sort
of what you should be shooting for. It's neither good

(44:12):
nor bad. It's just average, like feel free to have
some of this, have some of that, And instead it's
like everyone is polarized and they're eating in ways that
are insane.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I know it's but again it has it goes back
to marketing and moving product like, the reason all of
this is happening is just so that people are so
confused that they are convinced into doing whatever you know,
Procter and Gamble wants them to do. There is no

(44:44):
And by the way, if the government were to step
into making new food pyramid, you know who that would be,
RFK Junior.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I know this is why it's not fair. We need
good government. I want government issued meals.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Oh my god, it's literally my number one dream.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I would I would love that.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Well, what's interesting about and also is this is a
known fact that people say, you know, when they're sort
of debunking the protein craze. In general, Americans on average
do get enough protein. It's not one of the it's
not one of the things we need more on average,
and so it's a strange thing to have so much

(45:19):
emphasis on it. To me, the reason why I became
sort of obsessed with protein over the last couple of
years because I was like, ooh, I'm like experimenting with
working out more and it's like fun to it's I
want to gain muscle. I never thought of it as
something I'm doing for my general health. It was always
a vanity thing, you.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Know, I've heard that the next big craze is going
to be fiber. Yes.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
No, everyone has been saying that, Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
The thing gay appropriation once again.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I know, No, I you know I have straight women
in my life have borrowed back when I would take
Pure for Men have borrowed my Pure for Men pill
because they are apparently because they thought they were better
than other fiberpills. I do think that's been debunked. Unfortunately.
I think it's the exact same as.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Any other thing. Yeah, I'm just taking them meta mucil. Now,
what are you so?

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I have a I don't. I we need to move on.
But maybe there's no time for us to actually go
into this. But I'm interested in the process of something
normal and conventional becoming a trend, because there are trends
that are new, unique, updated things Like a trend could be,

(46:34):
you know, tiny sunglasses. I'm not saying that's new and
has just been invented, but that is something that you
didn't see as much of before and now you're seeing
more of. But protein is something that is so classic.
It's like seeing the American flag is trending, Like it
is something that is so classic that it really takes
a big push to make it into a trend. Yeah,

(46:56):
And I think maybe that's what's straight about it. Like,
to me, a gay trend has to be niche that
then enters the mainstream. But as straight trend, it's like
the lack of imagination, you have to have to think
protein is an interesting thing to promote. Yeah, it's very
like Thursday Nights on NBC.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Well, in that case, I love it period.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
How are you doing okay? Next call? Hi?

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Sam? Did you ever finish the Shards?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
And George, what are you reading?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I did finish The Shards last week, two weeks ago. Uh.
I really enjoyed it. I felt like it was I
haven't read like a quote unquote page turner in a while,
and that one I felt like a little kid again,
kind of glued to the book. And I will say

(47:52):
it didn't end as satisfyingly as I had hoped, and
that's all I'll say about that. I loved everything leading
up to that.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Did it make you want to read more Brett Easton Ellis?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
I actually did kind of like his vibe. It's my
first Brett Eastnelli's book, and.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
It's such a hard one to start with. Because it's like,
I feel like it's his longest.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
It was long as hell, but it hit it was juicy.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I am actually rereading a book, which I'm ashamed to
say I do very rarely.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I have very rarely.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I have this need for newness at all times, even
though I really think that, you know, much like the
second sip of a wine is more complex than the
first ship. I think the second time you read a
book often you get way more out of it than
the first. But I am, no, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
I am rereading this book called Satn Island by Tom McCarthy.
It is about it's very like my interest circa twenty
fifteen when I first picked it up. It's about someone
who is a corporate anthropologist. So his job is to
like study human behavior for a company that then you know,
sells products to them. And he was working on the

(49:02):
Great Report, which is basically like a report on the
behavior of like the entire world. But it's very sort
of weird and avant garde and sort of post post
post postmodern. And the reason I was inspired to reread
it is because, as listeners of the podcast might know,
I was rereading or I was reading for the first

(49:23):
time this book of Zadie Smith Essays that contained this
famous essay she wrote that was called like two Directions
for the novel or something or two ways for the novel,
And one of them was like sort of a conventional
realist novel with like a bunch of different characters and

(49:43):
different themes. And then the other one was this super
weird novel called Remainder by the same author, which I've
also read and I liked less, and so that inspired
me to reread this book. And while we're on the
topic of books, I just want to very quickly say,
we got another call asking us to recommend books that
are similar to The Secret History, and I guess I

(50:07):
would say, what about Brideshead Revisited, which is kind of
the og Secret History.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Oh, I've never read that.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
And also, if you want a book set in academia,
I love the book Lucky Jim by Kingsley. Amus. Next call, Next.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Call I Sam and George.

Speaker 6 (50:27):
Last time I called in I mumbled a ton, so
I'm not going to do that this time.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Hamy.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
I have a question about miss Charlie Xux. She you know,
had a great brat era, but she's pivoting into acting.
She's like going to be in like twenty movies and
was on SML. So I want to hear YouTube geniuses
come up with like what a movie is going to

(50:57):
win her the oscar?

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Like, what is the campaign?

Speaker 6 (51:00):
What is the role? How are we going to get
her that little gold Man? Should she be the sexy
step mom in a drama and she has tenants of
screen time steals the show? Should she fall into a
magical world Narnie style? Should she have Sandra Bullock's role

(51:22):
in a reboot of Speed where that bus is zooming around?

Speaker 9 (51:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I would love to know your guys, just thoughts. I
love you both, fearly love from Alaska.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Work it out, Wow, work it out out.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Shout out to Alaska. I like this question because I'm like,
I feel like Charlie as an actress. The Oscars loves
someone to play against type, like people love to see
like a transformation. So I think she would have to
play like a dowdy mother who was like dealing with

(52:04):
intergenerational trauma and it's like very and maybe it's even
in like the Victorian era and like essentially like maybe
like her son is at war and she's like thinking
about him quietly for like two hours, like maybe you
never even see him.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
So I'm sharing my screen with you, which I just remembered.
So you did see me googling Mariah Carey Precious. Oh and.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
My browser was blocking it, so I missed it.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Got it? I wanted to address that in case you
had seen it. I was trying to remember what the
famous like, Okay, well it ended up just googling Mariah
Carey pr and it's now showing me who her publicity
team is.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I have been wondering, Yeah, totally.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
You know, recently, some a clip of Precious was randomly
going viral on my feet and it's the clip where
Precious goes to see Mariah Carey, who is playing a
social worker. Now, of course, you know, there's an argument
to be made that that movie is evil, and I
definitely recognize that argument. However, we have to admit that

(53:12):
every single woman in that film is giving the performance
of her career, and it sucks that it's all in
the service of this narrative.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But it's facts, fully right, You're fully right.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I mean, Monique, is that is like a generation defining
If the movie was more well written, that would be
a generation defining performance.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Well, literally, what was going on over there? How are
they all so? I know that acting over there?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
No, it's crazy. I mean even Mariah who famously, I
mean her one movie flop, she's not you know, you
wouldn't think of her as someone who has acting range.
She's doing a great job Paul at Patton anyway. So
I was trying to think, like, should Charlie do something
that is sort of Mariah Carey? Im precious You're going
more period drama. I'm going more rim like present day

(54:05):
set movie in like in London that's about kind of
like a working class community in London, and Charlie is
you know, but this has not been filmed yet, and
then it would take even longer to come out. So
I'm just thinking about her age. She could play a mother,
she could play a teacher, she could play honestly, a

(54:28):
reporter that is reporting a big story about, you know,
water pollution in the community or something like that. I
like that, And then I think, in a completely different direction,
I think Charlie could be then you m in James Bond, Well, yes,
because I that's fun, because I think both of us
are going very obvious with this question. Which is like, okay,

(54:50):
what's an oscary role? But I think and then of course,
the less imaginative thing is being like, okay, well she
should play an actress or a pop star, whatever she's
doing in that movie that she's writing herself. But I
think if she were to do a cunty role that
isn't someone in an entertainment industry, that would be fun,

(55:11):
like a CEO, an editor in chief of a women's magazine,
someone who is, you know, a weapons manufacturer. That's why
I think being em and James Bond could be a
real breakthrough for her.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
That could be a real breakthrough. Not Oscar worthy, but
it would be a breakthrough. It would be fun for sure.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Because I think people think people think playing against type
for her would mean dressed down, but actually playing against
type with her would mean not messy like super type
A and buttoned up. She plays Margaret Thatcher, Yes, exactly,
she should play Margaret that It's called young the Iron

(55:50):
Lady too. No more free handouts vibes. That's the full
time idle vibes.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
It would be like it would be about Margaret Thatcher,
like when she's young, like being wronged by like people
getting free stuff, and like it's sort of her villain
origin story.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Yeah, like there was one maybe she had one experience
where everyone else got free stuff and she didn't. Or
it's like everyone was handing out the free government tunics
and all the rest of the people's fit and hers
was like too small or too big, and she was like, wow,
I've always thought that a one size fits all approach
doesn't work. It turns out no one should have healthcare.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I think that could really work.

Speaker 9 (56:37):
Hey, guys, what are your thoughts on dating someone who's
really hot, has good morals, votes, loves you one conditionally,
but just is a little bit dumb, Like you regularly
get to a world events and history, et cetera. To
this person. They have plenty of other skills, but just
like general knowledge is not one of them.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Okay, think that feeling when general knowledge is not one
of the skills.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Damn for general knowledge to not be one of the
skills is tough. I also I do want to kind
of make a draw a line between intelligence and general knowledge.
What you're describing is someone being uninformed, which in fact

(57:25):
can be fixed and is not difficult. Like I think
it can take a couple of years, but you know,
you teach this person this is the morning news digest.
You should read. These are a couple of books about
world history. Maybe let's sit down together. You know, this
is sort of like a big oaf of a man.

(57:46):
He can barely like swing his limbs around without knocking
over a picture of pink lemonade. You sit him down,
You say, we're gonna watch the evening news. Yeah, so
that to me is fixable. Intelligence is a tough one.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Well, I was I'm torn on I wish we had
an example of the intelligence because right now I'm thinking
I'm more on your first statement, where it sounds like
he is the total package, except like so he doesn't
know like about the Revolutionary War, like and I'm sort
of like, like if the other skills are like he

(58:22):
knows how to cook, or like he knows how to
like he has like a good sense of direction or something. Yeah,
Like I'm like that counts too, That counts towards intelligence,
Like being able to like win at trivial pursuit is
not necessarily intelligence.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Yeah, you're also saying, you know, he has good morals
and he votes correctly without having general knowledge. That's emotional intelligence.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
To know you can't buy that. You can't you can't
buy that.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Like there are people that have so much general knowledge,
too much in fact, and you know they are voting
for insane things out there in the world. But I
have to say, you know, I must admit that it
would bother me if my significant other lacked general knowledge
to use your terminology. So I understand where you're coming from,

(59:06):
and I think it's something that can be taught. I
am a little bit more interested in the question of
genuinely if if someone is a little actually dumb, cause
that is challenging.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
It's so specific because it's like how are you dumb?
Like there are metrics in which I am dumb, But
I'm like, like, I feel like if it's like sort
of like if you were to tell me, like, hey,
could you like take care of this child? Could you
take care of my child for the day? My child

(59:43):
is too could you take care of her for the day?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
You could figure it out.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I'd figure it out, but I'd have a lot of
questions and it wouldn't come naturally. Uh, And like like
even if it was like okay, like, uh, there's a
chicken in the fridge and you like my mother is
coming over, Can you please prepare it a period?

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I'd be like, okay, well that is simply just cooking.
That is I would say that falls under general knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Well, and I think, yeah, I think I think there's
a world in which yeah, I guess. How would you
define a little dumb.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I think a little dumb is, to be honest, I
define it as like someone who says something that is
completely uninteresting and thinks it's groundbreaking, like I think of this.
So this is honestly, I think about it so often
when I go home degrease, Like you talk to Greek

(01:00:40):
guys and they will have this like they'll just be like.

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
The thing with men and women is like you have
to like women expect you to be romantic, but they
don't know how they want you to be a romantic,
Like they just think of this thing. It's like, so
what you're saying is sort of like a cliche line
a guy would say in a movie before the woman

(01:01:03):
broke up with him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Like or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I mean, here's an example. It's like when people have
really lukewarm opinions about something like cancel culture and think
it's interesting, or when people are really you know, inspired
by by the show the newsroom, like just like things,
just like your brain is simple and so it is

(01:01:29):
easy to hit the right buttons and make it go off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
No, I I now that you're saying that. I know
exactly what you mean, and it's it. That is tough.
If it's like dumb as in like uninteresting and uninspiring,
that is kind of unfortunately they like fantasy of like
the dumb guy who's like so sweet and good is
like not like it's like if they're like really genuinely

(01:01:54):
dumb like that, like it's kind of it's over for me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
And it's also I do get I would get embarrassed,
like in social situations, like it's not a nice thing
to admit, but like I would hate to be in
the position of having to like explain myself for dating
someone who is saying dumb things in this company. Yeah
I've been in those Yeah, yeah, I've been in those situations.

(01:02:18):
Not with my but I've been I've had friends of
mine dates someone who like clearly is a dummy, and
everyone this sort of has to like pause when it's
their turn to speak and be like share share a
little cutie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
That is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
That is really tough.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I is there anything that like I was trying to
think of, Like this question was make me think about
our partners, and I was kind of like like, like,
is there any dumbness that you overlook? Because I was
thinking about like like Misha is really unaware of like
internet culture like at all, and mostly that's like fine,

(01:02:57):
but it will be funny to be like have you
heard about this? And he's like no, And it's just
sort of that thing where it's like I'm I'm I'm
just like it. My role is like always explaining what
is on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
The thing is because I have also I have that
role in various not necessarily with Matthew, but with friendships
I have. It's easy to take that as meaning that
you are somehow smarter, but in many ways it means
you are dumber, you know what I mean. Like it
is it's like I mean, it depends, of course what

(01:03:30):
the other person is doing instead of being on the
Internet at that time. But it's like I've had to
explain stupid Internet things to someone knowing that they are
smarter than me and spend their time reading books rather
than you know, being online. Okay, I have an answer
to what is the dumb things Matthew and I overlook
on one another. I hope it doesn't get mad at this.
For him, it is a lack of spatial reasoning in

(01:03:54):
the on a small scale, so for example, trying to
make a salad in a bowl that's too that's self
evidently too small, just being like, yeah, I can definitely
dress this salad in like a like a bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
That's like for Cereal, that's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
And then for me it's actually spatial awareness on a
larger scale, which I've talked about before, which is a
lack of a sense of direction. Like I really am
like a little child when I'm walking around in New
York City even though it's a grid, like I just am.
I always have a difficult time orienting myself knowing what
direction I'm going to. And I do think each of
us has learned that it's not something the other person's

(01:04:30):
gonna like learn, Yeah, and you just have to like
be okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, I definitely have a horrible sense of direction, and
I'm mostly I'm like inefficient in many ways in my life,
like and I think Misha overlooks that, like where it's
like he like cares about efficiency, like in the grocery store.
He like has a plan, and I'm like, I'll get
it done when I get it done, like it takes
I have a different journey.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah. God, I'm just thinking that the top of the
dumb boyfriend is really uh, there's a lot there. I
also want to say, it's interesting that the two kinds
of bad boyfriends are almost too dumb and too smart. Yeah,
if you sort of think about it, because the too
smart one is almost the stereotype of like a man

(01:05:21):
that is so intellectual he becomes a misogynist, like he's
so focused on his brain that he doesn't see his
girlfriend as a full person yea. And then the dumb
one is like so dumb that he doesn't get that
he should. Like, it's like the dumb one doesn't buy
a birthday gift because he's stupid. The smart one doesn't
buy a birthday gift because he has some theory about

(01:05:42):
like physical possessions. But both of them are ultimately not
buying a birthday gift.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Yeah, that's like a really smart thing you just said.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
Is sama, George. I did colin earlier about time, but
I'm calling back with a different theory about pop girls
and I would love for two of the greatest minds
of our generation to weigh in. So my friends and
I were at the Chapel Roon show in LA and
it got me thinking that I think a big reason
that why Chapel got so big so quickly is that

(01:06:19):
she had really strong appeal to the big three demographics
of pop girl fandom, so that is straight women, gay guys,
and gay women. And I think my friends and I
were actually struggling to think of another pop girl that
really has all three of these demographics to.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
The same extent that Chapel has.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
I think it's common for people to have two of
the three, like Dua Lipa as an example. I think
straight women and gay guys she has, but I don't
think lesbians cared about du Alipa. Lord is one that
we were torn on. We were I think Lord actually
has had all three over the course of her career,
but I don't think she's had all three at the
same time. But we were really split on that one.

(01:07:02):
So yeah, I just wanted to get your guys thoughts.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Do you agree?

Speaker 11 (01:07:05):
Can you think of other pop girls that have all
three the way that Chappel does?

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
Love for you guys to win in all right, love
you guys bye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I think this is very smart. I really like this call.
I think I think the obvious one who has them
all is Gaga true. I think you know who did
who doesn't anymore. I think Casey Musgraves did with Golden
Hour and then doesn't anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
I have an answer that you're not gonna like, but
it is objectively true. Hit me with it, Taylor Swift
that it's just like we might not like it, but
it is completely true that Taylor Swift has all three
and has them bad. Like lesbians literally think she's gay.
Straight women think they are her like, they're literally like

(01:07:56):
she is writing these songs for me and we had
the same exact experience growing up. And then gay men
are of course like completely insane and basically like jumping
off of various windows at all times. Yeah, and I
just I do actually think it is an underdiscussed part
of her story is that sort of despite the fact
that she seems like a very specific kind of blonde

(01:08:19):
woman performer, she has this near universal appeal. And of course,
the thing with her brand of appeal to straight women
is they will even like there's a sort of inoffensive
kind of pop culture product that straight women can introduce
to their boyfriends and husbands. Yeah, I think it's more

(01:08:42):
challenging for them to introduce, I don't know, even something
like Lord to their husbands, whereas I think Taylor Swift
it reminds me of how straight men love to joke
about how they watch like Love Island with their girlfriends.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
It's just it's actually like kind of the the barrier
entry is low enough that they're able to kind of
like hop on and understand it and do it half earnestly,
half literally mocking their girlfriends and just sort of get
on board. And so I think, honestly, that would be
my answer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
That's a good one. Beyonce I think has all three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Yeah, Beyonce has all three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
I'm trying to think of like who's close, Like I
think it's interesting. I'm thinking about like Ariana Grande, and
I actually think like doing Wicked is the closest she's
gotten to like getting all three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
That's true actually, because then it's like the whole her
and Cynthia Revac connection and everyone loves her. I mean,
does Demi have all three?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Demi kind of might have all three.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Actually might have all three, and I would even go
so far as to say, okay, carry me out. Miley
has all three, but it's like the niche. It's like
a minority of all three. Yeah, like there are passion
there's a passion memory of lesbian's, passionate minority of gay
men and passionate minority of straight women.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yes, but it's not enough. We don't know it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
It's not enough. And to be honest, I would even
go so far as to say Pink has in her
own way all three. It's just not the ones we
would interact with. But I think lesbians love pink.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Well, we actually got a comment somewhere that was like
mad at.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Us, that was like that we erased lesbian fandom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
No, no, the opposite. They were like, lesbians don't love pink.
Don't say that. And I was like, WHOA, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
That's interesting. I've known lesbians who love pink. So maybe
you get your facts straight, Chica, Yeah, say Sam and George.

Speaker 11 (01:10:37):
So, my friends and I were at the Heim show
in La a few days ago. We had one observation
and one question. So the observation was that we were
all really surprised that Alana was actually the main talker
in between songs. She was like big bits and telling
stories and jokes, whereas we thought that would be SD's

(01:10:58):
role as like the stand up comedia in so they
kind of subverted our expectations on that one. And now
the question, so we have we wanted to bring back
the Heimlich game. We're thinking about other bands with three
women and non binary people. So of these three bands, Heim, Muna,
and Boy Genius, which one is the Danielle, which one

(01:11:22):
is st and which one is Alana? This might break
the game, but we have our ideas of who's who.
Would love to hear your take.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
All right, love you guys. Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Okay, First of all, this is the same color of
the chapel roone call.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Oh no is it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
It's yeah? Because she said, like I just called in
about him, But I have another question.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
Oh whiopsis?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Well, I mean shout out. I think I think Muna
is SD because Muna loves comedy and Muna has a podcast,
and Muna has a podcast. I think you know what though,
what Heim's vertical video output is nearing st levels? Oh

(01:12:11):
my god, you know what I mean? Not really, but
I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Wait, you don't I feel like I'm all Heim does
is do vertical videos that are like various dance challenges
and memes, and like they're being so silly and they're
always making funny faces together and I almost think they're
like outsilly ing Muna, really, is this not like so
much of your feed?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
That's so funny. I'm doing the very unhelpful thing of
being like, don't you know, don't you know this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I mean, I'm looking, I'm looking at their Instagram now
is that you're talking?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
I just feel like it's always some It's always some
dance challenge with Jimmy fallon with them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I'm like, legit, like not seeing that on their on
their ig.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
That is shocking to me. To me, I mean, listen,
maybe they maybe they've regretted their choices and have deleted
the videos. To me, when I when I envisioned Heim, okay,
time to me the music aside, because I like the
music of all three bands. Iim is doing a vertical
video dance that ends in them doing a funny face.

(01:13:17):
Muna is they have a podcast and their guest is
Caleb Herron and boy Genius is they're randomly dating one another. Yeah,
boy Genius is like the two It's like Lucy and
uh Julian are dating and then Phoebe Bridgers is dating

(01:13:37):
you know, Harris Dick consider or something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Yeah, well, I mean I think we have to at
least agree that boy Genius is Danielle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
And so the question is Alana or Muna is wait?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Sorry, Alana arresty. Well, I do think in a sense,
Muna is a Lana because they're like younger coded hmm,
that's true, and more like they're like care free and
uh music, you know, like soundtrack soundtrack to like a

(01:14:14):
cool movie. Sure, sure, sure, but then that would make
I'm esty. I'm telling you. Heim is going Esti mode.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Okay, So him is Esti I'm okay. I mean I
see what you mean. Like they're they're silly. They're like
like Muna likes comedy, but like in a sort of
prestige way, like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
They like part of the comedy community. Muna is part
of the comedy community, right, Like they've been accepted into
the comedy community.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Right, whereas Heime is doing comedy like like Estie would.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yes, exactly, I'm sorry, Sam. Go to Heim's Instagram and
go on the reels. Tab you are gaslaighting me boots,
well the reel and.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Go to the reels, tap and tell me what you're seeing.
Is every single one of them not a dance challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
They're literally not. They're making videos, but they're I'm I'm
not seeing any I'm okay, here's a dance challenge after
I've scrolled. Okay, the first one's dance challenge. Okay, the

(01:15:37):
fourth ones a dance challenge. I mean, they exist. I'm
just saying it's not it's not as prominent as what
you were saying.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Okay, let's well, I'm looking at the rest of these.
I'm loving. First of all, I love the question we
got that was just dew. We like penises. I would
say for me, it's a yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
It's a yes for me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
I like the question. You know, we get this one
a lot, which is what do you do if you
hate your job? Yeah, we have answered it a lot
in the past that I'm afraid that we don't have
any new insights in that vein.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah, but listen to him's new album, but I quit.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Listen to him's album. Might quit. Someone called about the
content versus context binary, which I wanna this is maybe
not the time for it, but I'm it's like one
of my favorite things we've talked about is that we
are going from an era of content to an era
of context. Like what's more valuable now is not more content,

(01:16:40):
it's more context because there's so much content out there
that the person that's actually offering something new as a
person who's able to recontextualize it. So that's fun, but
it does.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Get complicated when contextualization becomes content becomes content.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
That's the thing because then if you're, for example, if
you are doing a let's say you're releasing a voter
guide or let's say you're releasing a breakdown of a
recent US story, you have to ask yourself, are you
actually providing context or are you just creating content.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
My least favorite context is people that are like, did
you know that in two thousand and three this happened
and it caused this. I'm like okay, Like I'm sort
of like, yeah, we can all pull like random things
that have happened, Like what is the broader arc that
you're trying to write, Like, is this like a six
week course on like yeah, two thousand and three, or

(01:17:36):
are you just like saying, like, isn't it crazy that
this boat crashed?

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
I know, well, what you're talking about also is very
like the There's been a huge increase in celebrating anniversaries
of pop culture events. It's always like today, Mark's the
seventeenth anniversary of Demita Joe. I'm like, I love Dmia Joe,
but I actually don't need to know about the seven
teenth anniversary.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
That is unfortunately one of my favorite things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Where they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Twenty second anniversary of Blank Yeah, and I'm like, damn slow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
News dash And I know that it's also like sort
of like they're doing it because they want people to
make fun of them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Very quickly. People have been really asking your thoughts on
Tyra Banks releasing hot ice cream, which is something you've
always wished what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, So I've always I thought ice cream was far
too cold. This is a known opinion of mine, and
I stand by it. That being said, do I want
to be hot? Not necessarily. I've always said I want
lukewarm ice cream that it still has its texture.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
So you don't want like a crembulet or like a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
God No, if anything, the closest thing that I want
is a soft cookie. Like a soft cookie to me,
is the closest thing we have to warm ice cream.
I see, I see, And.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
So don't you don't like like a panacatta or like
a custardy dessert. I mean cheesecake. Okay, cheese cake, I
would say, is pretty close to room temperature ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, there's you know, You're right, You're right, it's close,
but it's not exactly on the nose. And I don't
know what science she's cooking up. I have not like
watched the full video, even though people have sent it
to me. I was just like, I don't want to support, oh,
someone losing their mind.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Yeah. You know, there's a whole genre of things people
send to us that we just never address, and this
is one of them. And I actually think that's I
think there's a way to drive yourself crazy where you're
like interacting with something like that and constantly being like
stop sending please, we've seen it, and then you it
like makes you drive yourself crazy. Honestly, one thing like that,

(01:19:52):
And I want to say this publicly because we've never
addressed this. The meme.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Address it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
The meme where there are two doors once they one
says top a twink, and the other one says stop
and think, and there are a lot of people lined
up behind the door that says top a twink. Okay,
So this is sent to us once a day. It
has been happening for pretty much five years. Yeah, and
I just want to say, all of we've seen it.

(01:20:21):
You don't understand the frequency with which it is sent
to us. This is something that is reposted by meme
accounts daily, like it is something that has existed out there.
Every day, someone discovers it and sends it and says, oh,
there's a straight shooter if I've ever heard one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, they do do that, and we appreciate support. But
we have seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
We have seen it, and we think it's high hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
As we're wrapping up, I'm like, yes, what's your mood
like right now?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
It's not good, But it has nothing to do with
you or this recording. It has to do with like
me being in a bad mood.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
How is your mood the same? I guess. I was like, sometimes,
if I'm being honest, when we do these and we
both start in bad moods, we end in amazing moods.
And I was like kind of hoping for that, like
take off, I know, but we will push through. And

(01:21:18):
I'm coming to New York next week. We're going to
start and then you're coming to LA. We're gonna do
a lot of amazing records.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
I'm trying to pull up our straighter lab email because
there were some written ones, and of course my internet
is like not loading.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Oh I can do that. This one is from Toronto.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
We can.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
I can just read it out loud, me to side, Okay.
I'm taking trans vocal lessons and in these classes usually
your first assignment is to find out who your voice
inspiration is a celebrity or a podcaster whose tone rasp
intonation you like to work towards your men? Who's your
vocal inspiration or if you were to transition mask or
fem you pick who would it be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Oh that's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
That is a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
What is yours? This is a fun one to end on.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Well, this is an interesting one as especially considering our
voices are our jobs for this podcast currently. And I
think it's weird because I've never considered my voice to
be particularly good like I have, Like when I was
a kid, I went to like speech therapy because I have,
like a something in my nasal path is weird that

(01:22:25):
makes my voice sound nasally, so I had to like
go to speech therapy to like it' stop talking like
this and and so I'm like, I even feel like
what I do already is put on, but I don't
know how. I think it's sort of like a I
also think you have a potentially interesting answer similar because

(01:22:47):
I had, like, because I moved around to different regions
of the US, I never like got one accent. Like
there was a point when I was in Midwest long
enough where I got a Midwestern accent, but then I
moved and but I never picked up like a Southern accent.
So I'm just like this sort of vague, but I
don't know what my voice fantasy would be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Do you have one? I know it's I don't. I
The dream, of course, is like a neutral voice that
only sounds slightly sophisticated, because you don't because it's so
easy to sound either quote too gay or too like pretentious,
like there is just anytime you're expressing an opinion in

(01:23:26):
an audio mode, it's easy to become obnoxious or sound condescending,
or sound like you're way too sure of yourself. This
is I m'd say it's a humiliating thing. But I
think that because both of us have listened to this
slave culture gap fest semi ironically for the last ten years,
I do think often I will emulate Stephen Metcalf's vocal patterns.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Oh interesting, or at least attempt to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I would say that it would be really nice for
me to have a vote goal, because what ends up
happening with me is there are so many people that
don't want to sound like that. I'm constantly having to
find my I'm constantly finding myself going a little too
far in a direction I don't want to and then
bringing it back such that I end up having an

(01:24:16):
almost monotone, boring voice because I don't want to sound
like too much like one or other person. And so
this is definitely true and stand up. Yeah, Like, there
are just certain other gay comedians that it is easy
to emulate if you allow yourself. I think for straight people,
so many of them fall into John Mulaney, so many

(01:24:38):
of them fall into Luis c. K, so many of
them fall into like like Bill Burr, like it's it's
such a thing, or even like a lot of old
comedians will fall into Maria Bamford. Yeah. Yeah, so so

(01:24:58):
it would be nice. It would be nice to have
a vocal a vocal goal. Okay, I'll say this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Is okay, here we go, let's hear it. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Wait, did you have something you wanted to say?

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Well, I was gonna say that. Ever since I've moved
to LA and of course I've been listening to How
Long Gone constantly, I do find myself butchering it up
a little bit more. Really, yeah, I hear myself like
say more mask things that are like like I have
like a little cadence of like slightly butcher.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Yeah, dude, like like like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
I'm trying to think of like it was hard to
think of an example, but I do find myself like
almost like it's sort of like a you're gonna want
to go ahead and do that like that type of thing. Yeah,
where it's it's not fully like I'm not pretending to
be straight, but it is like a little bit of
a straight eye cadence that I've picked up from listening
to them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Do you listen to Doom Scroll?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
So it's the it's a it's an interview show. The
host name is Joshua Ciderella. He like used to be
an artist or maybe sell identify an artists I know,
but is also does this podcast. He's had good people.
Actually Grimes was just randomly just on it this way.
But he has what I would describe as like a
truly like neutral male voice. It's like not too mask

(01:26:21):
and not too gay, and I almost think that's like
best case scenario. And I think, honestly, and I'm sorry,
if he's listening, it makes him sound a little less
confident in what he's saying in a little and even
sometimes a little less smart because he isn't like doming

(01:26:41):
the interviewee, which I think is nice. It's nice to
have a sense of curiosity and not immediately know exactly
what you want to say. And it's almost like the
less harmful, the less harmful version of like THEO Vaughn
doing that but being like a complete moron.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
So I guess that would be one of my vocal
vocal role models.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I definitely also when we started this podcast, I remember
being like that being more of a pressing issue of
being like how do we want to sound?

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I know, but then you just sort of like find
all into a pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Yeah, because it was like I remember like always joking
at the beginning and being like, we're being Mark Mayeron,
We're being Pete Holmes, We're being.

Speaker 1 (01:27:26):
I know, we were so self aware parentheses derogatory sometimes
like there was just I was so petrified of coming
across as either stupid or unoriginal or whatever. And you
just gotta gotta have faith that like on average, you're
occasionally saying some insightful things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
God. I also just.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Want to say, just because this color is talking about transitioning,
we get a lot of calls from callers who are transitioning.
I will say it. And we had another one that
was a trans guy that is wondering if he should,
like he's a gay trans guy, and he's wondering if
he needs to abandon indie rock because he needs to

(01:28:13):
get into pop girlies because he's a gay guy. And
I just want to say, no, you should. It's cool
to like being a gay guy who likes indie rock.
I think is honestly one of the most ethical things
you can be at this moment in time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
I completely disagree.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Wow, really.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I think you have to like let go of indie
rock for like five years and like be the dumb
gay guy you've heard about in the stories, and then
you have to find your way back home like once
you've fully immersed yourself. Yeah, I think it like hits
harder when you like let go of the wall and

(01:28:51):
are sort of like you'll never forget the indie rock
and you can always you can always revisit and it
will come back around. But to make the full commitment
to the like and also just like you'll find yourself
being like well to have a conversation with these like
random gig guys I just met, I do actually need

(01:29:11):
to know like what Sabrina Carpenter's fifth album was about,
like rather than the one before, Short and Sweet, like,
and so you find yourself like becoming encyclopedic about that,
and I think it's a helpful tool. And then one
day you'll you know, you'll go back home.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Do you find yourself having constant conversations about pop stars
outside of this podcast? Literally yes, Okay, because I don't,
and it's it's actually always like, actually, something I've really
like appreciated and enjoyed about our time together is that,
like I because I know it's something we're going to

(01:29:50):
talk about I'm becoming more informed, but I don't feel
like with the other gay en in my life, that's
like one of the main topics.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
It's kind of like like drag Race, where of like
at this point, I watch it in the same way
that like I think many straight men watch sports, where
it's like I just need to be able to have
a conversation with like the gig guy I just met.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, oh and by the way,
another thing we keep getting calls about is our thoughts
on marriage and open relationships, and I'm kind of like, hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
No, yeah, and mostly I have to agree.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Yeah, And that's pretty much it. I enjoyed the question
that asked us if you got paid seven thousand dollars
every time you gave Zach Braf a concussion, how many
concussions would you give him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Enough concussions to have three million dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
That's right, and rest in power, Zach Braf.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Not because I particularly hate him. It's just a cruel,
cruel world we live in, and of all the ways
to make three million dollars, that's almost more ethical.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
It is a little bit like you would harm fewer
people literally you would only in fact harm Zach Braff,
who's had a pretty long, in full life, full career.
He got to Dave Florence Pew.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
That must have been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
That must have been great. Not a lot of people
can say that. No, he was in a hit show.
He got to literally become an indie Darling filmmaker.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
For a while. He pretty much invented the shins.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
He invented the shins and invented the idea of a
manic Dixie dream girl. There's enough. If Zach Braff died
of thirty five million concussions tomorrow, there would be so
much in his oh bit.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
People would be and people it honestly would be good
for his career because he could be like like that.
People would come back around, because people really don't like
him right now in a way that as soon as
he were to get thirty five million concussions, he would
be like a fucking saint. Move over, Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
No, completely, it would be. It would it would be
the chart crcification of Zach Braff, and people would you know,
Garden State is not a great movie, but it's good
enough that people can read it like if he died,
you know, young people who didn't live through the Manic
Pixie Dream Wars would reclaim it and be like, this
is actually like really aesthetic. Yeah, that's what they would say.

(01:32:17):
They would say, that's really aesthetic, that's really aesthetic.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah, Manic Pixie Dream Wars is one of that's an
amazing sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
I mean it's true that was the original Girl Boss.
You know, they keep inventing archetypes so they can tear
women down.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
George, I have to sincerely apologize about what because I
was really against the Zach Braff question and that was
my favorite one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Well, this is and I don't want to like create
more drama. But but that's why I was like confused.
I was like, you're not attracted to the fun ones.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
That's not that it's I was sort of like, he
can I okay, sometimes we also need to stop. We
literally need to stop. This is a This is an
interesting exploration. Sometimes when people and shout out to the caller,
nothing but love, nothing but respect, But when a call
is trying too hard to be funny, I get turned off.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Sure, no, I get it, and you're saying your happy
medium is what movie would win. Charlie and Oscar because
it's funny enough. But it's not like I'm the joker
on stage with my notebook doing stand up in Todd
Phillips as the joker, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
But what I forget is when I don't love a question,
I can almost answer it with more disdain and more
abandoned because it's less pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
And and that's the other thing with like the non
pop culture ones, because I don't want to be part
of a discourse.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Honey, you believe in discourse you're in.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
I don't. I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
So that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Like this episode is amazing, of course I agree, it's
going to be not amazing for our editor, shout out sorry,
and other than that, thanks for listening, thanks for calling.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
And in conclusion, Sam, I was just wondering, what is
a piece of media you loved in your youth that
you now hate nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
I the little boy that loved whatever was right, and
while I'm not able to appreciate it now, it meant
something then. And I guess I would have to say.
You know, I will say I was gas lit by
some things as a child.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
You know, it's funny, is I said that as a joke,
so we would end there. But I love that you're
answering question because.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
I never liked you liked I never liked Flubber. I
was gaslate and just having to tell people that I
like Flubber. I never liked Flubber.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
You know, this morning I had breakfast with my dear
friend Jenna. She goes, she was like, it's like she
was talking about something else, and she goes, it's like,
how I hate Robin Williams. And I was like, excuse me,
that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
What was her take?

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
Did she say? I don't know, but I think it's
like he's doing too much and it like, which I get,
and that's of course your first one's first reaction to
Robin Williams. Then you have to like move past that
in order to like understand his genius. But I guess,
but I do think Flebber because you know, just on
a script level, there's not much happening there. It is
just him doing too much.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
No, that movie I went and saw in the theaters
and it was that thing where you're a little kid
and you're like, I know, I should have liked that more.
So I'm just gonna say I liked this.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
Yeah. Well, here's the thing. When we were little kids,
seeing Robin Williams, Jim Carrey and Eddie Murphy overact could
be scary. Yeah that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
That's a lot for a child.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
That's an adult man doing all that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Yeah, that's not right, that's not okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Those actors are not safe for children. Those actors should
be for adults.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
The actor should be for adults. And then the other
one I want to say is this is going to
be really controversial, but I can't stop thinking it. I
love Spice World as a child. I think Spice World
has some amazing alt comedy bits and it's really impressive
that the level of humor they were working with. But
when you rewatch it, it is long as fuck. No,

(01:36:22):
it's bad, and they should make a compilation of all
the amazing bits in it and cut out all that
fucking filler.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Spicer wyl would be an amazing movie to cut into
vertical videos that are shareable online and if anyone over
there is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Thinking, and according to our Joe Sunday interview, the youth
needs it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
And I just want to say people are feel free
to stop commenting on that specific video. I think we've
heard all the takes we need and by the way,
none of you are funny.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Whoa Okay, love y'all, Love y'all, Happy November bye podcast and.

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Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
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