"Verbal Communication" w/ Mo Fry Pasic

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Who do you who? This is George and I am
here to say that guess what. I Am taking my
stand up show on the road this summer, and I'm
going on a little tour in July and August, and
my first show will be in none other than Chicago
on July twelfth. You can find tickets in my Instagram
bio at linktree dot com slash George Severs. That is

(00:20):
link l I NK Tree, t r ee dot com
slash George Severs. And if you live in Pittsburgh, Philly, Boston, DC, Seattle, Portland,
or San Francisco, all of those tickets will become available
very soon, so check back in at linktree dot com
slash George Severs in the coming days. But for now,
if you live in Chicago, please buy tickets to my

(00:41):
show on July twelfth. It's going to be at the
Den Theater, which is where we did our Stradio live show.
I'm so excited. It is my first time ever headlining
in Chicago. I can't wait. Can't wait to see everyone,
So please please buy tickets and bring your friends. All right,
enjoy the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bye podcast starts now what is up everyone around the globe?

(01:19):
You are listening to the internationally beloved podcast Radio Lab
Bump in that.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I need to say something, Okay, go, I don't know
how I'm going to even articulate this. I something is
happening to my brain and something that is happening to
my spirit. I'm like the dumbest I've ever been. I
don't know the combination.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
You tweet about this, I've seen you talk about this.
You're working out a lot, You're you're going meathead mode
even exclu yes, exactly, that's what it's like. I actually
think that there's this been this combination of Brad coming out,
Biden performing poorly in the debate, which we can talk
about because there's gonna be un news since the since

(02:03):
this comes out, so that's the only thing I'll say.
There's sort of there's a sort of manic way I'm
like going back and forth between half reading the news
and listening to three six five igo I.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
During Pride weekend, I felt for the first time since
I was maybe twenty two, I really was like, Pride
is everything to me. This everyone in this subway car
is my family. I was out until six am, and
then after we got out of the club, I swear
to God in the middle of the street at six am.
We learned the Charlie Apple TikTok dance and filmed it

(02:37):
on the street. You George, So I did that with
Charlie Barney. Oh my god, I'm telling you something is
going on and I'm worried. I think, you know, at
my best, I'm like, you know what, this is what
happens to me in the summer. My brain goes out
the window.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
People talk about brain worms, and people talk about like
killing your brain cells. There's a way you can do that. Actually,
with your consent, you can. You can voluntarily euthanize your
brain cells. Yeah, just for a couple of months, and
then you're back back to school in September. And I'm
hoping that's what will happen to me. But I am worried.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, that is what summer is for, is for
being stupid, And I honestly think this is gonna be
people right now, a part of my French are getting
rock hard at hearing that you are. You know, the
formerly smart George Savers is now a stupid meathead. They're
gonna be They're gonna be dripping out of every orifice

(03:32):
when they hear that.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I mean, I'm telling you, like, I can't even talk.
I was at I was literally like shirt off circuit
party until six am. I was in the backyard with
other I was in a group of other thirty something
gay men. Picture this, okay, all of us talking about how,
you know, we feel so much better in our thirties
and actually we feel we feel more confident now and

(03:55):
actually I've never felt hotter than I do now in
my thirties. And you know, in my twenties I was insecure,
but now I feel so much better. I was like,
if you zoom out and look at this, we all
deserve to be shot. No, I actually think that's a
genius and the only correct take.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think if you I even think I'm I'm excited
for when I'm in my forties and I say the
exact same thing, totally. I'm excited to never remember that
I said that before. Yes, like, I'm excited to be like,
this is the best decade of my fucking life and
have that always be what I say and it never
means anything, but you still say it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I was, No, You're absolutely right, and I was thinking
that I don't know One of the great parts of
being gay really is that you can decide what age
you are at any given time. And I think I
decided when I was twenty five that I was forty,
and now that I'm turning thirty three, I've decided I'm
pretty much twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I mean, I think that's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who knows what's gonna happen when I'm forty. God, I
wish I could really let alone fifty.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I'm in the opposite right now. I'm like, yeah, I
was literally celebrating family values while you were celebrating pride
and partying all night.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
And you know, I I think a part of it
is that I am I'm starting a new job next
week and I'm getting married in the fall, and so
I think those two very adult things are making me
be like, made this pride seem like, well, I'm only
in my twenties once. But wait, I want to hear more.

(05:20):
I know you are in you ar like office job, husband,
two kids.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm going to work. I'm well.
And so during Pride, I was visiting my parents okay
in Michigan. Wow, yeah, sorry, I just needed to let
that say again for a second. Well, because it was
one of those things where it's like, well, do we
even do pride anymore? And apparently the answer is yes.
Apparently it's you know, euphoric and everyone can be twenty
seven again. I was told the last time I was

(05:48):
told we didn't celebrate pride anymore, and we actually went
to our parents' house in Michigan and sort of reflected.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
I just want to say, the theme of this i'll
call it a season of the podcast is really, oh,
how the tables have turned?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
The theme is really how the table?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's actually crazy. We're switching roles.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's actually crazy, and it's I don't know if I'm
comfortable with it. You know. Really I feel like, you know,
the pressure of being the responsible one is too much
for me. It's not a place where I feel comfortable.
I mean, I'll do my best, of course, we have to.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I actually think we're doing a really good job.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well thank you, Yeah, but I've also sort of We
recently had an episode where we talked about the trends
of summer. Yes, and one of my I said that
the weather of summer is partly cloudy. I said that
the sport of summer is track and field, and one
of our listeners responded, partly cloudy return to land. Are
you guys depressed? Yes?

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I believe that it was Mourra.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
That is this prettiest Amura who always has the courage
and the and the fortitude to call it whenever she
doesn't like something we say, which is off, which is often,
and I.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Will say that. When she said that, I was sort
of like, damn, maybe you have a point.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
There's something about this this era where I've like really
put my expectations low, and I'm sort of like, you
know what, it's not going to be that fun for
the foreseeable future. And that's okay. Yeah, And I don't know.
Our guest is looking at.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Us with our guest is doing the kind of facial
reactions you can only get in, you know, the audition
room for Abbot Elementary.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Well, and so yeah, so I've been feeling a little
bit like I need to check in with that, but
not yet.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, Well, shall we bring in our guests and then
she can help us decide how far gone we are?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yes? But also I want to say one more thing. Okay, wait,
have I talked about running late yet? No? I was
running late this morning, and I wanted to talk about
one thing because of this podcast is you know, it
started out as a podcast about podcasting, then it turned
into a podcast about straight culture, and now it's a
podcast about the differences between New York and LA, of course.
And I want to say that one thing that I've
realized is running late in New York is so chic

(08:07):
and you get to really be like sprinting down the
street and you get to like be like sweating and
be like, oh my god, I'm crazy and you're like
splashing into a puddle and you're Carrie Bradshaw. When you're
late in LA, you're like, I guess I'm speeding, yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Or or just like sitting in traffic and not moving
and just like being stressed.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's so weird to be running late and in a car,
like it's one of the most insane things and you
just can't do anything about it and just be like,
I guess I'm just like I'm I'm essentially like driving
a boat to school. It doesn't make any sense. And
that was what I was thinking about this morning, Okay,
And so I thought I would say it, Well, George,

(08:46):
you hate that. I mean, George, you can't engage that
at all. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I'm sorry, I'm gonna. I'm trying to use to engage
with it. No, I just I do think maybe car
is the default, and it's New York that's different.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Huh. I do think you're not You're not talking in
a lot of the globe that I depends on, hob
of transportation.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I mean, I guess that's I think you're not.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I think you're forgetting about maybe your home land of
your uh huh, in which the train is extremely train
is so popular. I think you're forgetting about Tokyo. Okay.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
What people can't see is Mo is actually directing Sam
and behind the scenes is sort of all right, this
is this can't be video oldie. All right, we need
to bring in Mo.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay, without further ado, please want with the podcast, Mo
Frey Pasek.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
This is like the breath of air is so crazy.
It's like I've been underwater holding my breath and I'm here.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wait before we forget, we so many things.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
I know we need to job of podcast.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
I know, and this was a we sort of scheduled
this episode last minute, and so I don't have my
five page briefing document that I usually get from the aids.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I'm opening with, I'm promoting yeah literally, is that okay?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
And then we're going to be normal about it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
And then but people, if people decide to like turn
this off, I want them to have first heard what
you're promoting, which.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
They often do, especially Idea.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
They get nine minutes and they're like, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
They're like, we're not panter for today, Like what the hell?

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, okay, So what I'm going down the barrel of
the camp what the viewers can go listen to is
on this very day, I found out this morning my
podcast trailer is dropping yes and it is a podcast
born of my play that I'm taking to the Fringe Festival,
and I will be interviewing fringe artists and friends and

(10:40):
comedians about the process about making the art that they make,
about the sort of minutia that I think when people
make a product and the art that they make. I think, one,
it's interesting why and two we tend to only talk
about the things that worked, and I like to talk
about the things that just got them there that maybe
seem superfluous or not, were a conversation, like a beautiful

(11:03):
evening you had with a partner that inspired you the
next day, like those sort of moments that are all
a part of the process. And so I'm going to
be talking with people about that on my podcast, So
please come.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
When does it come out?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
On July sixteenth is the day that podcast drops. I hope,
I think the trailer or the podcast drops, but whoa
And I'm very excited, and.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Your show is also happening.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
So it is my show. It is inspired by my play.
It is the themes of my play that the podcasts
are covering, sort of, And the play is about, I guess,
the way sometimes when we want to connect with people deeply,
we can only really be seen by transactional moments or
passer buyers, because the people closest to us we can

(11:48):
push away by even trauma dumping, by giving too much,
by not wanting to be seen. And so these sort
of sliding door moments that save our lives with people
that we might not even have a relationship beyond a
single hello passing in the street. And so it's about
a woman sort of understanding that about herself as she's
trying to obsessively heal and find all the ways to

(12:09):
be better, get better, and turns out maybe just being
really present for a moment is more healing than one
hundred hours of therapy.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
With a good time footage not found in our case
being present.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And it's gonna be at Edinburgh Fringe.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's gonna be at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, and I'm
excited to go to Scotland.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
God, I hope Crazy Lady doesn't stalk you like in
Baby Reindeer.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, that would be so sadly, that would be.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
So sad if that happened to you.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I'm actually obsessed with how Baby Reindeer has become a
shorthand term. I feel like a lot of people I've
heard be like they're gonna like baby Reindeer.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Me like, yeah, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I am like, oh we needed that word.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, well because we needed something fun to be for stalking.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I sort of appreciate. I feel fine about Baby Reindeer.
I'm not I don't hate it. I don't think it's
a masterpiece. I've watched it. Whatever. I do like that.
It's sort of put doing a solo show on the map.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
This is call the people of you. I can tell
him to pull the plog out George right now.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
I do actually think we needed representation of what it
is to go to fringe.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You know what I think Baby Rainder did is like
weird guy, weird guy solo performer.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Oh yeah, we need more of that.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I've never seen one. I've seen a lot of weird
guys in my life. I've seen, but I'm always.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like, it's a type of weird guy that has never
been represented.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, And I'm like, I'm always like, can you guys,
can you stop? Like I'm like, can you cut it out?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Because the weird guys are usually very self indulgent, and
this person in this series isn't self indulgent.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, he's like weird guy and there's something behind it,
and so I'm like, okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I do want to push back on him not being
self indulgent.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean, obviously all of us are, but this person
at least shows the like To me, a lot of
the stories are like, look how hard this ship was,
and he shows the complexity of like I was also
complicit but also my trauma being because also I'm responsible
for taking care of my It.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Was like I felt I like he yes, yes, I
liked it too. I thought it was pretty brave of him.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
No, keep going.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
No, it was just we're laughing at like the way
it feels like we're maybe yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
No, I love.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
You.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
I did like it. I thought it was brave of
him to show how fully he bombed every time he
got on stage.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Fun, that was fun, very fun.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I was confused, though, can I say when I was
speaking about other people with other people about it, when
I was like, oh, yeah, it's clearly like he's traumatized,
like he's like engaging with this woman, or like I
felt like we all understand, like at the very least
daddy issues, you know what I mean, Like where it's
like someone might engage with weird people and need a

(14:59):
validate because they're fucked up. But so many people I
talked to were like, I had no idea. I thought
it was just so weird tell her to go.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Away, totally. Yeah, it's interesting the layers that people recognize
versus ignore.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
But say that though, because why because why.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Continue?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
It seemed like you were shaking your ice drink as
a way to clap, like ause though you were like
snapping at a spoken word.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Wait on the bottom.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I just want to say we are pioneering this. Right now,
when you're at a show and you want to clap
and you're holding an ice drink, just clink your eyes, mo.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I want to take it back a few steps because
we instantly forced you to promote.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
And that was my fault and I'm sorry, I can't
I tell you, yes, I'm relieved. I don't have to
think about it ever.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
And now, and by the way, what is the podcast
in the play called?

Speaker 3 (15:52):
The play is called Worse than You and is directed
by the beautiful Sudie Green if we're aware, past guest
in the community, past guest, funniest personal life, and the
Sudi is not able to come to Scotland because she's
you know, booked and bit blessed. So Sudi will co
host from Afar. But the podcast is Worse than You

(16:13):
with Mofry Passik produced and Mandeu perfect Erica.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Gooda okay, And now we're no longer mentioning either of
those things, Sam go okay.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Now I want to take it back and say, would
you like to engage with the thing that George would
not at all about? The running late? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Absolutely, it was because George.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Would not engage at all, and I refuse well.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
To let this just I actually this might be the
whole brunt of the whole podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I say this with love, but what I'm refusing to
engage with is the idea that it is crazy to
be in a car running late. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's not crazy, it's just less glamorous.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Wait, so are you refusing? I thought you were refusing
to engage because we had to sort of teased that
I was going to enter, and you were like, don't
introduce a whole new thing. And you're saying because it's
actual basis, you didn't like.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
He's actually like I don't like this. No, I knew
that because George is actually not very time aware and
he does not care about that.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
George, what do you mean I'm not time aware?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Like I run latere angry, I can't wait?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Wait, Sam, say more about me not being time aware?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
George, you don't know you're not time aware?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Messy sense?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Am I not time aware?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Bitch? Say it?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Say it? Do you feel like I'm always running late?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
No, it's more like when we're on stage, like I'm
the one that has to be like, okay, we got
to wrap this up.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, that is crazy because I'm the one that always
is looking at my watch, and you forced me, in fact,
to be the one to keep time. So then I
seem like I'm bored on stage because I'm the one
wearing a watch.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Respond to that, Sam, George, really good point.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I just feel like so often you're like, let's keep going,
and I'm like, no, we actually.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Do have to go. Okay, but this goes back to you.
I'm sorry, but this goes back to you being a
rule follower and you know, winding a gold star from
the teacher, whereas I'm punk rock. I'm sort of baby
Reindeer going to fringe bombing, but still going up every
night and putting in my hours. Whether or not a
crazy woman is talking me.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, I don't think it's following the rules. I think
it's respecting the audience. I think it's respecting the.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Guest time, the audience that's there to see us.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
One thing that George and I differ on is I
have radical empathy for.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Our I understand that, and George, by the way my
face sometimes George is like, you paid to be here.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Your mind that's not well, okay, but but you have
to you have to sort of like take a risk.
Sometimes I'll try to. I'll start doing crowd work and
I'll turn to Sam and he will look as though
an animal is being slaughtered.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Wait what kind of crowd?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Oh? I see you're eating a pretzel?

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is it good?

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Up?

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I did say that to me.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's so funny that to me, that's the versive. It's you.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'm sorry, but if we're performing at City Winery where
everyone is getting a giant pretzel, I'm not allowed to comment.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
On that, Like it's this is I think you're allowed
to comment on a in a general sense. I just
don't like pointing at one specific person in the front.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, the way your mouth's moving around that bread.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yes, here's what I think is Like I I'm to me,
that's it's going to be awkward at first. Are growing pains,
and I want to get to a point where then
I have a rapport with an audience. But you have
to first get through. You have to first get through
that initial awkwardness because of course, no one wants to
be talked to like you know, so at first it's awkward,
and then you slowly start to build a rapport.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
There's, like they say in Moneyball, the first person through
a glass wall, go and get a little bloody.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
And Moneyball is what I base my comedic sensibility on.
Generally speaking, I think the Jonah Hill character specially is
one of my biggest comedy influences other than the woman
from Baby Reindeer. Notice I didn't say the man. I
said the woman that's stalking him. She is my biggest
comedic influence after Jonah Hill and Moneyball. I'm incredible, She's iconic.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Wow, I feel that was cathartic. That was complicated.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
See, I'm obsessed with this because you know what feels
better than depression? Anger?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Wait, anger feels better than depression.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Yeah, because you have something to fight for, You have
a sense of stability and right and entitlement to your feelings.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Oh that's so interesting to me. I'm like, I felt
no anger whatsoever. And I was like, thank god, we
are engaging in play.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
No, we're all really pissed here. Yeah, No, I'm doing
a bit. Nobody's angry. We're having life. We're having the
time arrived.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I genuinely am having the time of my life. I
wish I could, I wish I could reach across the
screen and give you both a hug. I feel like
I'm back at the circuit party where on.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Saturday, I feel like I giggle, gig go giggle with
my friends.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I wish we could confess more things about each other.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Wait, that'll be the whole thing. Okay, yes, all right,
well let's begin. I'll start. I'll start with several things. Well,
first of all, I'm loving this sort of like identity
shift the two of you are having because it's also
like I can see it actually killing Sam.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's also like it's like, here's the thing. It's the
flaw here is that there should be a shift because
it's actually George is being super hot and like shuret
off and I'm like, oh my gosh, I've seen the
close friends. I'm like, oh, like you look incredible and like,
so I'm going great work and Sam that Sam's like
core being you know what I mean, And so it's like, no,
we just need like it's like the episode where in

(21:14):
the sitcom where it's like I did your job, to
do your job's hard. It's like then the end they're like, hey,
how don't we each take a little together.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Well I think the only way we can work it
out in the remix, so to speak, sure sure is
for us to like do something together, maybe like go
on vacation together, and then push it in either direction,
have like one day where we are a little too professional,

(21:42):
one day where we go a little too hard. Oh yeah,
and then we both come out sort of in the
middle at the end.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
For me, I do think there's something about like I
need to maybe lean in to if George is going Sam,
I need to lean more towards George.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I need because yeah, George isn't family values. No, George
is intellectualism, and you need to lean towards.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
That because I think you are.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean, I'm reading that's what I was actually English major,
English major.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yes, I think I gotta start posting damn playbills. And
then we're talking, Yes, you gotta post playbills.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's very true.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's the final frontier of being me.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Georgia. No Greek, no nothing, just post a playbill.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, I'm not gonna start pretending to be greedy. You're
not gonna download d.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
To be Greek.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Terry Coop starts walking in, Sam starts something, rowing chest
hair and having a cross.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
God I would give anything that.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Would be incredible experience.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh my god, I did want to be There was
like a full year where I was like, maybe I
can pretend to be Italian, but.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Cool, Well there are I mean execute that.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I'm trying to think if you could pull up being Italian.
I mean it's tough. I think. I think you so
perfectly are what you are in a way that I've
always been and say what he is. I don't want
to say I've been envious of it, but it's more
like there's something comforting in the brand, the fact that

(23:16):
your brand is strong, sure, sure, sure, And maybe what
you're struggling with is that it is expanding in a
way in ways that are both exciting but also scary
because there are new unknowns that you are experiencing.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's true, George, That's really smart.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Even you saying that is like delivered in the soft
sort of like circuit party shirt off way that I'm loving.
That was so tender.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, well, what are you gonna do? By the way,
I'm on gi.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
See my experience is there right now? Isn't like is
like he walked in, It was like he's like nice
darkwash hymn jeans on a terry clock and then I said,
incredible sunglasses handsome to me, I get what are that?
He doesn't even say it as I'm reading m Marnie,
Oh Mo.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you think we haven't spent an entire episode talking
about Sam's car and.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's well, the experience is real, and you didn't you
said that.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
By the way, you saying they were on sale is
so me. Me showing up with designer sung classes and
then without anyone asking me, doing a whole song and
dance about how they were on sale is like my
entire pieces.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Why you're suity?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
I'm very yeah, God, this is like destabilizing.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Huh more things about each other, though, Well, should we.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Say something about Mo?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I think we should say something about Mo.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Better be fucking good, you know.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I want to say there's something there's a new side
of you that has come out during the promotion and
conception of this play that I feel like is kind
of a new chapter.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I love that go on.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I feel like it's it's the sense that you have
this ex expansive energy that goes in so many different directions,
and you have chosen to focus at all on one thing,
and there's something so powerful in.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
That that is very sweet. I appreciate that, and it
is true I felt the impact of that. I maybe
didn't realize because I do just enjoy doing a bunch
of things, and then once it has been concentrated into something,
I'm like, oh, like I feel that energy.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
You know what the secret to life is concentrating it
literally is it's focused. It's actually something that I've learned
way too late in my life.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
It's something i've learned weight. It's simple focus because it's like,
what's meditation focused, what's you know, what's presence focus?

Speaker 1 (25:37):
And you actually it's easy to think that actually the
the the right way to live is to do a
lot of different things and sort of you know, spread
your gifts as much as you can.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
And here's the hard part. But it's not bad because
I used I used to back of people who are like,
do one thing, I'm like, well, that's capitalism talking like
I'm an artist, I have many mediums.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Sure it isn't doing many things capitalism because you're posting
Instagram reels and doing a sub stack and.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Not always not if it's like exploring, like I think
I see what you're saying where it's like, if you
want to do like, you know, a serious play and
do stand up, yes, that should be allowed because you're
not worried about branding.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
As like yes media, because many of people have been like, well,
you're diluting your brand if you have a substruct businesses,
I'm like, well, I don't want to be brand driven.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yes, Okay, I guess that's fair. Doing one thing is
more brand driven. Doing many things is more. You know,
I'm a complete person with many sides of my personality.
This is interesting because it goes back to we had
a big debate with Theta Hammel about whether being whether
small is actually big and big is actually small?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
It's context.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, And so now I'm like, is one thing is
one thing more expansive than many things? Or are many
things more focused.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Than We're getting into Schrodinger's cat there, you know we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, Schrodinger's brand.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Firing on all cylinders or are.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
We firing on one?

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Oh my god, I love my friends so far.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
That was literally me at Pride just I love my friends.
I love my friends.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Sometimes I do when you're talking about being stupid, like
I feel dumb, Like like you guys will say something
funny STUDI will say something fun I'm like, oh my god,
my friends are so freaking funny. Yeah, I'm like, I'm
like the big dum idiot.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
That is not true.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I know it's not true. I'm very funny, but it
feels like.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Oh, I know what you mean. I feel that way
too sometimes, And I've always liked that role. Like it's
not even where I it's not where I actually am,
but in my mind sometimes I'm like, I am the
one that it gets to be with all these funny people,
and that's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
How great. But it's also it goes back to, you
know how like you'd never want to be the funniest
or the smartest person in a room, because then it's
like where do you go from?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
My parents say, you never want to be the biggest
house in the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I don't know about that. I think I actually would
want to be the biggest. No, because then you got
a target on your back that neighborhood, that neighborhood Manhattan,
that was me.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Wait I have something, Okay, wait, I have something. I
want to go into a tail Okay, go go go,
and I want your guys take on it.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Wait, Sam, one question? Should we do our first segment
before you go into the tail?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, maybe you're right to do it really quickly.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Let's do it really quick?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, Look, who's a time queen?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Now?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
How the tables keep turning?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Bit?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
How the time tables have turned?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I damn? But okay. Our first segment was called straight Shooters,
and in this time we're going to ask you. Here's
a rapidfied questions basically this thing or this other thing
to get you're familiar to you with and complicity and
straight culture. The only rule is you can't ask any
follow up questions or will scream at you and give
you something you mad at us about.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, Mo, here we go, Han fried shrimp or Mo
fry passic?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
That was so cool? Is that the first question? But
I'm just asking I was that the first personalized one
because it's gonna be You're okay.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
You almost you almost got away with asking a question there.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, that was a good question for conscience.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Okay, Mo, it's a song saying right now when people
are listening.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, okay, okay, okay, Mo. Built for tough or two
for suffs?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Mmmm?

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Two for suffs?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Okay, mo three six five party girl or three six
nine damn you fine, hoping she can suck it to
me one more time?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Oh wow, I didn't know those were the exact words
for the second one, so you.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Know, I actually thought it was three six nine damn
good time? Am I crazy for sink for things?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I thought it was too, but I looked it up
and it's damn you fine.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Well, you guys haven't had your and plaster to a
floor where your ass is rubbing on a hard little
dicky at a dance floor when you're in the sixth grade.
You know what I mean? You know that song?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
You know our experience?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, you do not know.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You do not know my life, and you do not
know what I did.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
George is right, there's a sixth grade or plastered on
the wall. They're just grinding. Okay. I only remember the
number three six five, so I'm okay, great, Okay.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
The bling ring or the sting who sings.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
This singer sings every day is a winding road, or
every gay is in grinding mode.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Oh that one was really good, George.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, And can I tell you something that's the one
I thought of last minute. I started recording and this
is why we need to push ourselves.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Because Sam pushed you a little bit.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
And Sam pushed me. We were about to start recording.
I said, Sam, I have three can we just do
like you do four? And I will do three? And
he said, just push yourself, just take.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
A minute, just push yourself.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
When you say it, when you recount like that, it
actually sounds like I'm insane.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Well not just that, So she is talking on like
you had no emotion behind it.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
To my friend to be like, how about you push yourself?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
That is literally what you said. And I was like, what,
you're right, Like, it's one more I can sit down
and I can do it.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
All the listeners.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
The tone was the context also, I mean, you're just
proving I'm sorry, but you're being so corporate, like you're being,
my god, digging yourself into this hole for me to
be like, can I do three? And for you to say, George,
this is a professional. We're in a.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Studio right just pushing right right now.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
It's not corporate. It's just wanting us to be you know,
hold ourselves to a standard.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
Oh my god, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Can you hear the splashing? Are you saying that?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Are you peeing right now.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I was peeing. No, I was, I was filling my way.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Can I tell you? I literally thought George was like
got his phone out to like do a sting, to
be like up Ship Creek without a pod, like you
know what I mean. Like I thought it was gonna
be like a bit.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I actually thought I actually almost did that for three
six nine. I was going to play the songs.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
But okay, well every day is winding world because I
forgot what the second one was, but I would have said.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
That it's every gay is in grinding mode.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, okay, mo. Information that's been classified or a face
that's been yassified.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's good, honey.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
What's the difference, absolutely, information that's been classified.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
The Great Gatsby or the fate of chat GBT. Oh well,
the fate of chat GBT. Yes, let's hope it's not
a good one. Okay, okay, Sam, time for yours?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh wait, we have one more?

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Okay, you have one more?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Biden is old or I love gold.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
All right, I'm wagging off.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
It's gold member voice.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Did you think you would forget when you wrote it?

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Did you think about this moment?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I said, I said, Sam, push yourself. I said, I said,
you know you don't love to do a voice, and
you know it's going to be confusing, and George might
look at you with disdain.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I never look at you with this stain. I always
celebrate when you take a creative Faschuck, can I.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
See your face? Can we play backpace? Can we play it?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I feel like, And you know, tell me if you
don't feel this way. I feel like when I am
like often. You know, we of course push the limits
of stupid and the hope is that you We do
horseshoe theory, so something is so stupid and it becomes smart.
And sometimes when Sam.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Wouldn't be a circle, Okay, I guess we have.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
A I guess we have a scientist in the building.
Every day is a bit, every day is a winding
circle more like whoa. But I feel like I you
know when you do that often I will lovingly kind
of exaggerate an eye roll. So you know that that
comes from a place of love.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah, I'm obsessed with us blurring the lines here, and
I would.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Never I feel disdained for very few people name three,
Chuck Shumer, Oh, Katie Perry true.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Okay, well then that's pushing you back to the stand up.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Huh well, and uh, I guess say it.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Don't flake on.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
This, push yourself.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
What'd you say, Shepherd? I think that's so smart for
you to say, because now you're involved in the podcast
dynamic and people are going back and forth, their audiences
are listening to you guys.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, yeah, I would actually really start I would really
start a few with Deak Shepherd.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
That's awesome. Huff Post picking this up.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
I heard Ariana herself, well, great American icon.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
By the way, no one's talking about that.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You have an I haven't in yet. Well, if she's
on Sped dial, I said, yeah, sou okay, So Sam
tell you wait, hold on a scale of zero, you
haven't chosen chosen because.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I'm sorry, but I just also need to comment on
it is not a question. Is it's like it's you're
using a quote from a character that is like not
his primary quote, you know what I mean. Like it's
like it's like doing a bat bastard quote and then
like yeah, he says, I love, but it's not like
it's not like a canonical I did.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Not recognize that.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
I didn't either at all and I just watched Sam
look at me starting to cry laughing.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I genuinely was like, is this gollumn? Like he also
started laughing, Like before you were even done doing the bit, I.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Was like what is he? Like? What? What?

Speaker 3 (35:58):
What is the It was exactly that meds were like.
And it was so fun because I realized before right
before you said gold member, and when you did, you
said it like we all know, right.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
And it was like, No, what would you say is
gold members primary quote?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Oh my god, I don't have master? Is who you quote?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, if you're gonna quote gold member, you're gonna say
I love gold.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Unfortunately, don't really quote gold Man. I think the last thing,
that's why.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's iconic because no one quotes gold Member.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
He said, Okay, I think we are there's a crisis
on this podcast, and it is that we are too
horseshoe pilled, where we always think the opposite is true.
So you saying that's why it's iconic because no one
quotes gold Member. So something that is something that is
inherently non iconic, something that no one quotes, everything becomes

(36:45):
iconic respective are you.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Looking at it?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well, I mean, honestly, the true iconic thing which I
just haven't seen it is to start quoting the Love Guru.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Well, I already, but Sam, I did that last week.
Remember I do remember the way.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I'm sorry that sentence that dag and forth is crazy.
You said, you said a real thing, which is the
way is to quote? Was it domest zone the love grow?
That's what it is. You're like the love gir And
George says, I did that last week. I said, Oh
my gosh, the Little World.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
This is the best episode ever.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I'm having the time in my life.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'm scared.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Okay, Well, I'm going to choose obviously Sam's full eye contact,
long impression.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
I love that was good.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
That was way good that we know.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I love go. Yeah, so no one knows Gold member,
I it's gold, It's gold.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, it's the Beyonce one. It's the Beyonce one.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Do you an impression, George?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, of Beyonce isn't her name?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
And a whole woman?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
I do remember that, So you could be a George.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Well, yeah, this will be tasteful.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Sam, tell your story please.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Oh I can't believe we're going back to this.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
We need to rank Mo from a scale of zero
to one hot or not, mo hot or not, I'm
hot hot. Actually wait, no, that is what we're doing.
I've decided for this episode instead of zero one, buts
and Doves are just doing hot or not and your
ranking is HoTT.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Okay, Sam, go okay.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I guess what I was gonna say, which feels so
out of context in random now, is that okay I
had While I was celebrating family values at my parents' house,
I ran into I went with my mom to a
sandwich place and we saw someone she's friends with.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
I'm with her.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
With her.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
It's a sandwich shop and you know something about her?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Oh? There we go and we went to and my
mom was like, I want to introduce you to my friend.
And I was like okay, and I was like, we
actually had just finished recording our Patreon episode, and so
my mom was like, here's Sam. He was just recording
his podcast.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
No terrible mistake, Strike one.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I immediately shut down. I'm like, because then.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
You brought your body caves in on it truly, And I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Like oh, And she's like, oh, what's your podcast about?
And I was like, oh no, And then I was like,
it's called Stradio lab.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
And it's like we do strike too.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It's like a comedy podcast about it.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Strike. You said you are, I'm like aboard mission. I'm
getting word from control. We need to airlift him out
of there.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
A boat is coming. It's on Lake Michigan and a helicopter.
The helicopter has your feet and the boat has your head.
They're like, get him out whatever way you can.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
He's laid down to a board.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
He's being lifted like that cow.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
That gets from the science museums.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And then I tried to explain it, and then it
obviously went horribly wrong. They looked at me like I
was insane, Like sorry, talking about something else. And then
I slowly backed out, Like but you can't back out,
You're done, I literally slowly.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
And then you were being Homer Simpson in the bush.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I was being Homer Simpson in the bush. And then
we walk outside of my ALM goes, you're so shy.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I have a question, Yes, this is a crazy experience.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
How how should I have handled the situation? What do
you say to someone when there's no context?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
What you call the a c l U?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Right, you call the a c l U and you
call a CLU, the DNC, Yes, and the Glad Awards
Committee Committee. And you say, we need a closed door
meeting with President Joe Biden right now.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
And by the way, I'm not coming to you, You're
coming to me. I will see you on the shores
of Lake Michigan in twelve.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Hours because it's going to take everyone.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Do you want to know my ernest answer how I
would answer that I do. I would say very simply.
I would say, you know, I'm a comedian in New
York and the podcast is like an interview podcast where
we interview other comedians. No one would ever ask a
follow up question. You would move on, and then your
mom can start, you know, giving her own updates about

(41:17):
work and life and the renovation.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Fuck, that's so smart, the renovation.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
That's of course the number one choice. You know, if
I had it, my way would be for your dear
mom not to have mentioned the podcast at all. But
once she did, that is I think the only way forward.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I find this so complicated because whenever I go to
anyone that is not in our circles, I feel like
I'm insane and I'm like, is it me? Like? Is
it am I being Tina fe going like remembering high school.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I know, Kelsey, how about your mom piel problem exactly?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
And I'm sort of like, should am I being like
they're never going to get it, so I'm not explaining
it to them, or but then whenever I to explain it,
I sound it insane so that I'm like, oh, yeah,
I shouldn't have ever tried, and I feel like you.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Can try to explain it.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
I think here's the thing that because I've run up
with this against the play a lot, because the play
is like, it's about trauma, but it's funny, but it's
about this, And then it's like people like, so it's
the one woman show. I'm like, well, my gender's very fluid. Well,
so it's it's the one person show. No, it's a play. Well,
and then you sit there and you're just like, well,
am I like, you know, shirking sort of categorization or

(42:27):
am I being obstinate? Should I just simplify this? And
I think the stuff we do right, it is hard
to feel like you're reducing it for an elevator pitch
for someone you know you're in conversation with. Here's where
you should trust your gut, right, yeah, you know that,
like you're not judging this woman, but you can feel
a vibe and be like, yeah, we're not gonna have
a conversation about gay culture or straight culture, right. But

(42:51):
then what we do is we internalize it and we're like, well,
I'm judging who or I'm not saying it with my chest,
and it's like it's neither of them. Trust your gun
in the situation, just like what you just saying, like
have a shorthand, and if they want to inquire further,
you can absolutely be like, well it's kind of you know,
it's silly but nuanced, but we do have bigger general conversations.
But the thing is, I think we doubt ourselves in

(43:13):
those moments and we're like, should I have done this?
Should I have done It's like you wanted to homer
system and not have that conversation and you didn't even
bring it up your mom, did you know?

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Right? I think however, you also have to think about like,
think about someone who works in private equity and you
meet them at a party. They are not going to
go into the weeds of the work that they do.
They're just going to say, I work in private equity.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But that's like what bothers me. I honestly am jealous
of them because if I had had this conversation and
my mom was like, Sandwich was working private equity, then
the woman would have just been like awesome like that
for you, Yeah, Like there wouldn't be a question. There
would just be like inherent respect, whereas like when you're
like he was doing this podcast, it's like, so what's

(43:56):
that all about?

Speaker 3 (43:57):
But I think that has to do with our and
creativity is people are comfortable with gray area, with you know,
nuance with that, and so people need you to say
I'm this or that to feel comfortable processing it or
being like I know that's good, I know that's bad.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Here's the other thing. Here's my other strategy. Okay, uh,
you're the instinct, of course, because you want to justify
your own work is to go into the creative side
of it. But actually it's much more safe and relatable
to talk about like the business and logistical side of it. So,
for example, she says, you know, what's your podcast, sort
of say something very quickly and then start being like,

(44:32):
you know, it's been hard recently because my co host
and I are in different cities so the scheduling has been,
you know, really hard to and then suddenly the conversation
becomes about how hard it is to plan a zoom
meeting and everyone can relate. I'm serious, No, that's actually
really smart.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
It's just funny how simple it is.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It's I think it's a bummer, how simple it is.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, honestly, because I'm it's it's confusing because I'm not
trying to be obstinate. Yeah, I'm trying to treat people
with respect and be like they yes, they can hear
this and make sense of it, Like we don't live
in some tower where we're like incredibly different than other people.
And then I but then I'm always like, but then
we also are different than other people. So it's confusing.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Well, everyone's different. That's what makes America such an amazing
melting pot.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Mo.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I want to know what your straight topic is and
what you think is straight about it?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
So fun?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
This is so fun. Okay, Well, I feel like we
always dance with this because I always think about it.
I laugh because you guys do say like big small,
big spot, and I think it's it is the perspective
from what you're looking at it, right, Because anything can
be anything in or out of context is what we
keep talking about.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Right, anything can be anything in or out of context.
Is one of the great sentences that has been uttered
on this.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Podcast as is that it didn't realize And now I'm
kind of.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Like, wait that kind of I'm prod merge and I'm
not joking, like anything anything in or out of context.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
And what's going to be brilliant is it can't be
on like a big base, Like it can't be a hat.
It has to be a big Exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Anything can be anything in or out of context.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Don't you think like big Okay, I agree with you
Mo for comedic value of course on a hat. But
then I'm also thinking streetwear, big block letters. Yeah, just
like big oversized T shirt. Anything can be anything in
or out of context.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I love that. How do we want to shake that?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
No, this is like now the welcome to the new segment.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Anything you know, anything can be anything in or out
of context.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Wait this is I'm sorry but this I'm kind of
like I can't move on from this because we don't
have this to me is so the spirit of early
episodes of the podcast. It's like we used to have
we used to make merch. That said, it doesn't matter
what your political beliefs are as long as you live
out loud. I remember, yeah, and this feels very in
conversation with that.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Oh, I love being in conversation. Conversation when when like
sentences are conversations. What it's crazy?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Okay. I also love any can be anything intern out
of context because it fully feels like you didn't know
this part was coming, and you're like, let's riff.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Oh my god, that's so funny. That's so funny. Now
I have a full list.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
I mean, it is so funny to be So, what's
your straight topic? And you're like, oh, fuck, well, anything
can be anything in or out of context.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I turned into the love gurrooms.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I love context, old gold, I love my god. You
guys know it. That's the only thing he says.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Wait, don't you think anything can be anything in or
out of context? Also sounds like a kamalaism? You know how? Absolutely? Yeah,
it's very It.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Exists all which came before you.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Here's what's met about it. The phrase itself, we can
make anything because I can go anything Como style, right,
can't do it, shouldn't do impression?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
No, no, I see what you're saying. Though, depending on
what you you can either stress the first anything the
second anything you can stress in or out, or you
can stress context context. Yes, and actually, depending on what
you stress meaning changes, you literally meaning changes, and you
have a completely different, like political outlook of a completely
different subjectivity.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Honestly, this should be an acting exercise. You should show
up your acting class. Yeah, and today's lesson is anything
can be anything in or out of context, and you
have to say it over and over and over and
you have to perform it in different ways.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Until finally ready. It's like an hour and I really
break and you feel it.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
You're crying.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
You know, anything can be anything in a out of
context chills, incredible books.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
The teacher fucked, That is what WA want now?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Fucked the cutest guy.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
The professor. No, No, not in LA.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Maybe in New York, but in LA there's so much
New York there done that.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
In LA it's so corporate. You can't even fun the professor.
That's true, that's so, that's true.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, serious, a professor in LA.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Professor of what smoothies please who, Professor of grain bowls, Professor,
Professor of the reboot of Melrose place.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Oh, I don't know. It's all.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Okay, well, well we have approximately forty five seconds left.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
What is your time guru.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
Guru, I'm having time of my life. It's almost eleven eleven?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Wait, what's time Guru?

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Is that just a that's a new.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Time guru?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Was time.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Time gu someone who someone who has like a natural,
effortless relationship to time, which, as we have established, I
used to not have, but now I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
I feel like any artist is neurodivergent and does not
no time.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, I actually feel George, to be completely honest, I
feel like I've been trying to pay less attention to
the time because I feel like in the first you know,
half of our podcast run, I was very aware of time,
and now I'm trying to be more like.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
You know what, stay do artist.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
We can clean it up in the edit.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, okay, And would you say I'm going in the
opposite direction once again?

Speaker 2 (50:23):
We are I think it's possible. I mean in this episode,
I do think, yes, but I do think in general.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
In general, no, in general, you were up till six am.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah. In general, none of us is the time guru,
but in this episode you are the time guru.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
None of us are real create it like, I'm sorry
if like, if you're on Mike, you're not time guru
in real life, you know what I mean? Like like
we wouldn't know how to make anything.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
No, God, no, no.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
So okay is awesome shit?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Okay, okay, it is eleven eleven party rock Okay, whoa Okay.
So I was getting a lot of bullshit an annoying
text in my phone, and I was having to a
lot of ship. So I said, I want to look
at my phone and enjoy myself. So I put tom
Selleck in a tiny little hot yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Because it flashed, and I was like, that's so hot.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Way, tom Selle is your phone background.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
I all of a sudden got thrown on my Explore
page into like magnum p. I like him like TikTok,
not TikTok, but like Explore. And all of a sudden,
I was like this giant hairy man in big tiny
short shorts. I was like, oh, and it's so hot,
and so I made in my background.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Oh he is the have you seen him in and out?

Speaker 2 (51:29):
So in and out?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Kevin Climb plays.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
George. I'm sorry the moment you said that, mom and
I sort of connected as if we were about to
revolt against you. And I will tell you that movie
didn't exist, Like yeah it was. We both don't haven't
seen it.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
It's not real, you know what, there's no time.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
The point is we were, we were convinced we were.
There was a moment where we connected with it.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
We had tilted and then up, and then it was ready.
We felt ourselves ready to turn to you on the
screen to go wrong.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
That is crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Okay, Tom Selleck plays the gay love interest. Young Tom
Selleck mustache very hot. That's all I wanted to say, Sam,
you would actually absolutely wait, this would really do it? Yeah, Sam, Actually,
you know, I think Sam, this might be what you
need to snap back into your old self is to
watch horny Tom Selleck in the movie In and Out.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
And it's this sounds great.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, it's about I can't even get into it. It's
with Kevin Klein and Joan Cusack. I believe was nominated
for an Oscar for it. It's like, whoah, yeah, it's
a great. Yeah, you just made it so legitimate. I
got scared because, like move it's.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Like if you know what you know, I can Buffy
where it's like Don all of a sudden's like dropped
in season four and she's always existed. I guess I
feel like it's like Sam and I are dropped into
the reality where this movie's always existed, and it's like beloved. Yeah,
like what?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Well, Also, when whenever someone's saying, oh, have you ever
like met someone like or someone's been talking about someone
and you're like you might know them, they like do commed.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Six hundred friends in common with everybody you know?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And you're like, yes, you know, I don't know them,
and then you looked them up and they're like best
friends with everyone you know.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Yes, and they're like, we've been hanging out every weekend
and you're like, no, you haven't.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, anyway, what are your straight topics? Do you think
we'll ever Maybe we don't get to it.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
No, we have to, we have I can do it. Okay,
Well I had a few things. Okay, So now the
whole bit is just they're gonna be funny to say,
so okay.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Which is valid, like like saying I love gold.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Two new seconds for you guys? Anything inter out? Okay,
my new thing? Oh okay, that is a journal entry? Okay,
So okay, morality. I think it's very straight, needing a
code of black and white ethics to guide yourself by,
because otherwise you'll cause harm.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Exactly like it doesn't come from with it. It's like
a tank commandment, the idea that before every choice, like fuck, wait,
let me check if it violates the tank.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Yes, it's like babe, okay, and then I'll keep it.
So I'm just gonn to read it the ends, justifying
the means the ends by any means necessary force, however
you identify that doubt? Comma, are you sure? Shame?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Verbal communication at all? Wait?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Explain that one?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
A little more verbal communication? Oh my gosh. To me,
it's like so like, say what you mean and the
way that I understand it where it's like you and
I turn to each other. We've communicated so much.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
We understand the foe with just one look.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
With one look body language, we can read a room,
we can see someone's uncomfortable. And it's very straight and
patriarchal and capitalists to.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Be like you need to have that in writing or
to say this right, this right, don't just say that?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Why didn't you just say it?

Speaker 1 (54:43):
I'm making an executive decision that is our topic.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I think because you guys don't want to know which
friend you are.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Wait, wait, you can keep going, you can keep going.
But I think verbal communication is the one. Okay, I
think it is.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
But the last one was personality test, Comma, which friend
are you?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Totally?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
I mean it goes back to that to honestly goes
back to the Ten commandments.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I was gonna say the same thing you're kind of
working with.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Everything is everything in?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Anything? Is everything?

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Anything? Is everything?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Anything? Is that you know?

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yes? Anything is anything in or out of context? Is
that what it was?

Speaker 1 (55:14):
You can't trust me to know anything is anything in
or out of anything can be anything in or out.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Of cot Oh okay, So verbal communication eduication.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Well, I love the idea. I mean it is truly
genius to be like, you know, in an ideal world,
everyone should be able to communicate with vibe. I sorry
to use this cliche word, but with vibes like it's
like you know, a look, a gesture, body language, energy, energy.
You know, it's called being in sync with your environment.

(55:44):
It's called being one with nature, one with your surroundings,
one with your fellow humans. And as soon as you
start speaking or writing things down it is a down
hill path.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah. It also is like the way that I've been
realizing this recently in this thing kind of before where
it's like are we unique or are we not? Where
I'm like, oh, there are people that can't read people.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
And they didn't know this.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
No.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
The play is really like illuminated a lot of the
way I mentally process and like I assumed everyone was
kind of doing things the same way in their heads.
And it's like no, no, because then and then I
had the opportunity because study's close to be like she'd
be like, you know, do it more powerfully? And I
do what I perceived the word power to be. Yeah,

(56:37):
but I but then I would not get it and
she'd be like, that's not it. I'd be like, what
does power mean?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Can you give me some references of what? And it
was something completely different because these words to us mean
one thing. So then it's like we're not talking about
the essence or the feeling of something. We're just assuming
everyone else knows what that word or experience means to you.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
And this is the false promise of language, is that
its goal is to make things more specific, but in
fact it only causes more confusion because it makes everyone
conform to one meaning that is defined by the hegemony,
like that the word power can mean different things to
different people, but everyone has to fall in line as
soon as the president decides what it means.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
Wait, actually, no, it's genius.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
It is that. I also think the way that verbal
communication is also like in the moment makes sense, like
you're like, I'm verbally communicated because I have to, and
you get it, you get what I'm saying. But then
when people try to make it use it as proof.
I do think people try to take verbal communication out
of context because it proofs that they believe this or

(57:41):
they and it's like no, no, no, no, no, you
don't be like that.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
It's so easily manipulated. Like I mean, I want to
use an example, but I don't know the world enough
to know if this is like causing a stir. But
I watched the vander Pump reunion and after that I
saw the Tom thing on the news. I didn't watch
any of it, but it was so funny because someone
was like he compared himself.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
To the war and UK totally totally.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Yeah, and it's like, you guys are manipulating words so bad.
You're making this shitty guy look awesome. Because he was like, no,
I just said there was like large movements and my
name was next to them in the news.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
He literally was saying, like my name it actually made
complete sense what he was saying. It made complete He
was saying, like, isn't it crazy that I Tom Sandoval,
one of the most truly murpy murp people that has
ever lived, is in the pages of the New York Times,
next to the stories about Ukraine. And by the way,
guess who comes out looking bad in that story the

(58:40):
New York Times, not Tom stand Ukraine. And then the
headline became he like thinks he's as important as Ukraine? Yes,
are you people listening to yourself?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
But that's the word, right. It's like it's like we
can use it for our needs and we can intentionally
or unintentionally misunderstand. And that's an intentional misunderstanding.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, but verbal communications. There's so much there.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Well, okay, here's the theory I have. Now I'm going biblical.
Oh yeah, because it's like we like to pretend like
we all weren't all forced into like some sort of religion,
you know, And so Noah basic of these stories. But honey,
it was everywhere. If you're in America, it was awful. Sorry, George,
but you were.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
It was really amazing where I was, and I have
no trauma from it. You're like, there's no dogmatics, and
this is really progressive. So what so?

Speaker 3 (59:38):
So I think the Tower of Babbel is this story
in the Old Testament, and it is perfect.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Wow, I'm so glad you brought this up. I mean,
talk about language.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Okay, you sparked it, yes, when you were saying the
idea that it's to bring us together. Because this idea
is all these people in this town wanted to build
a tower to heaven, to each God. And so what
God did in the story was made all of them
speak different languages, so they can never connect and work
together to build the tower to heaven. But I hear that,

(01:00:09):
and I go from a queer perspective, I go, oh
my gosh, what a concentration of communication, What an opportunity,
because I don't have words to come together, beyond words
to connect. So we realized that quote unquote God Heaven
is actually the connection, the communication. It is nothing to

(01:00:29):
do with this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Guess what verbal communication is a punishment from God.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
That's exactly what I was getting at. Okay, with your
hands clawing the armchair, I need that found bite of
verbal communication is a punishment from God. You pour the
water all Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
I'm so grateful for you to be there for that moment,
because honestly, I whenever I start hearing about church, my
mind is like, what is up with me? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Is it trauma?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I don't know, it's what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
It's like it's like more like habit. Like it's like
when someone starts talking about anything church, I go, I'm out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Like you don't oh, you just like are not interested.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I can't engage with it at all. Like even when
people are like it's actually really interesting, like it's not
actually like a soap oprap, I'm always like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
But I'm I've always I have always noticed that about you.
Like I remember there was I had this phase where
I was like, really you might remember this very desperate
for places of congregation that are not commerce based, and
I was like, maybe the solution is for all of
us to go back to church. And I just remember
you would look at me completely blankly. You'd just be like, no, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Something I just like cannot do any part of it.
And even like the story, I understand that they're like
the stories from the Bible have like you know, are
just social things that people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, I mean fre I mean they're like they're like
the gold Member of their time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
They love gold I mean the Pharisee. I wish I
had a reference for that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Dammit. I understand that there's a direct line from the
Bible to gold Member. Sure, I still am, like, you
know what, I'll just take gold Member. Thanks. You know,
I don't need to know what is based on do you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Here's a question for you, all right, do you think
this has to do with the Bible and religion or
do you think it has to do with a general
disinterest in like super old things. I think it is
specifically the Bible, you think, so, okay, so you would
be more interested in, like, you know, let's say, Greek
mythology or things that are old.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Greek mythology is juicy, you know. I find Shakespeare interesting, Okay,
I just don't the Bible. As soon as people start
talking about like when I hear the word the Bible,
like in the Bible, my brain shut off.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Wow, I'm listinating but I can see that from you specifically,
because I think you have a sensitivity as an artist
to like theme and like you're like, I can get
this theme a better way. It could be more fun.
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, Oh my god, I know what it is. Sam.
It's like, it's your complete and I think this is
one of the best things about you, your complete allergic
reaction to anything like hack. And I think that the Bible.
I think the Bible is so basic, it's so groundwork
that you're like, yeah, we've heard it all, like a

(01:03:33):
subversion in the story, give me something new.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, that's a nice way of putting it. I hope
that's true. That would be an awesome compliment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
I want the end. I want the end of this
next actually the next forty five minutes of me and
Groid to be pitching what we think it might be
and to end and SAand being like, Okay, so here's
this bad thing that hops.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
No, it's nothing. I don't even have that much church trauma. Like,
we didn't go to church that much as as as
I was growing up, so I don't really know what
it is. It's but I love that theory.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I mean, do you think it's because you didn't go
that much that you think you don't know as much
about it as you're supposed to do, so then you
feel embarrassed about that or something chang hit change.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah, no, I maybe there's something about like I don't
feel like I have ownership over it, like I can't comment.
I do feel uneducated in it. So I'm like, let's
just not talk about it. But I also feel like
it's so weighted that even playfully talking about it, I
feel like I'll step in something that I didn't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
You don't know it well enough to satirize it with
a with an eye towards specificity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, I was well said, thank you, and so it was, And.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
There's so much talk around it that what are you
going to do weigh in and say something not iconic
plastic That would be insane, that would.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Be so, that would be so stupid if you didn't
say anything, could be anything in or out of contest,
be stupid if you were to be insane. But I
also think I understand that completely too though, because I
have I am obsessed with spirituality. I love my like
sort of relationship with the unknown, and you do when
you speak about that have to be like God, spirit, universe,

(01:05:07):
whatever you call it. If you have trauma, you have
to like spend forty five minutes being like, can you
receive this in a way that isn't through the lens
of everything bad you've experienced?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Yeah, can you through the lens of everything that came
before you? And everything? What is the kamal to the
lens all that you live in?

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Damn God? Everything is anything, Anything can be anything in
or out of context. Okay, all right, well okay, so
verbal communication I also the way that okay, in the
similar thing to like the look like there's so many
ways to communicate via like this kind of goes back
to my story. I feel where there's like you can

(01:05:45):
communicate through like you know, music or like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Dance, fashion, save your chest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
There's a lot of different ways.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Say it dead serious, you know, I can't, Sam, Sam, don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I don't hide behind this semi ironic then near say,
with your chest, okay, communicate through fashion and painting?

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
You literally can? You literally can? And I know that
this sounds so insane and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Here's some sorry go ahead, mo, No, I'm just all
of us are like self aware enough to know that
like a person having this real conversation with someone is boring,
so it is fun to get go and be like,
this is insane, but my fashion tells you who I am.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
But I actually like yes, but I also all right,
hear me out here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
The issue with verbal communication is thinking that it is
a more direct communication. That's actually what I mean, Like,
I'm not ready to give up on words, because in fact,
I love I actually think if you just look at
writing and speaking as an art form akin to painting
or fashion, then it's like then it opens up so much.
I mean, I would never this is not I think.

(01:06:54):
Saying verbal communication is straight is not an anti reading
stance or an anti talking stance. It's it's merely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Anti words supremacy, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That's exactly what it is. It's anti words supremacy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
In my brain, I did because I think of words.
I said A U N T I E. Anti words.
Please welcome to the stage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Because can you imagine if in the way that words
have been adopted by a sort of straight coded like
reason pilled man masculine sensibility. Okay, imagine if that happened
with painting, and if there were just like really like
muscular conservative men that were just like angrily painting and

(01:07:36):
being like, this is why taxes should be higher or lower.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
You're creating all this is kind of the premise of
like illegally Blonde, where it's like fashion knowledge should hold
up in a court of law.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Yeah, but it's intuition. It's intuition, insuition, and we invalidate
it because that's a very feminine way of communicating. Quoe
unquote not associated with gender. But yeah, yeah, yeah, oh
I'm obsessed with in this world. Imagine if on the floor,
what is that turtle guy's name, Mitch McConnell, Imagine if
he had to go a point to something he painted,
I could have saycing a word.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
That's that's my challenge for Mitch McConnell say something without
saying something. For once.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
I am floored.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
I am floored painting in a court of law, pat
Mitch McConnell has to paint.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Wow, that's actually punitive. I mean I was I dated
this guy briefly who like was artistic and sensitive, but
like I think had squashed it down for so many
years that he said this one time. He was like, yeah,
I'm working on this, like script where it's about a
detective who like had a very specific disability that made

(01:08:44):
him able to be good at stuff. I go, oh,
are you that? Why would you ask that? I don't know,
because your art's about it. I like, you're like, how
would you know to ask that? I was like, huh.
And I feel like that as a conversation with so
many people these days, with the like how did you
perceive anything about me before I said a word? And
you're like, I don't know because you're wearing a shirt

(01:09:05):
that says like, you know, I love this band. Like,
so I'm going to ask if you love this band?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
What? Yeah? That is really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Okay, I'm sorry to say this, but I think we
might have to do our last segment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Oh my god, you're being time guru.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
I'm pissed off. I'm pissed off.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I mean, I just we are you have somewhere to
beat well, but not only that, we're holding hostage people
in two different studios.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
No, you have somewhere to be today. Don't lie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Don't excuse me. I'm being professional and respectful of people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Okay, George, can I tell you one? I have a confession?

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
Okay, what is it? Oh my god, you're both in sunglasses.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Jesus Christ, you can't get them on.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Oh my god, it's humiliating.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Okay, George, George, this is the most sketch comedy bullshit
I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Go ahead, Okay, Okay, I have to tell you something.
The reason I'm sensed to be about the time Guru status.
Someone on Okay, this is insane. Ready, No, someone on
Spotify left a review comment thing that was like this
really called me out and was like, Sam is always

(01:10:13):
in a rush. Sam is always in a rush.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
And they're begetting to wrap it up, they're projecting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
And he does he even want to be there anymore?
And I was like, what the fuck? And it actually
pissed me off, and I've been unable to shake it.
That is easy, And I also don't think it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
No, it's not true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
But that's why I'm sensitive to Time Guru. You cannot
read Spotify reviews.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
I love that vulnerability, thank you. And it's giving Big Daddy,
like you put the sunglasses on to be able to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Say you put on the sunglasses of truth.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Yeah, it's giving Big Daddy unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
I think that version was projecting because they also probably
want to spend time with you or maybe identify as
you know George and are protective of George.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
And sure, I've never felt that you're in a rush.
In fact, I understand that we now are in this
like are in this mythology where we each have clearly
defined roles when it comes to being time guru. But
I've always felt pretty like that it's been pretty naturally

(01:11:16):
back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
No, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
I like the idea that if this podcast stops recording,
like we create sort of a myth around you guys
where it's like at a party, like both of you
are like none of these identities. Like at a party,
if I'm speaking to either of you, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Like like like, wait, that's really smart, but it is true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Also, I was like, one thing I was thinking during
my incredible Pride weekend was I was sort of like
I am not in any in all these conversations I'm having.
I'm not being especially funny or interesting, but it sort
of doesn't matter because I'm just in this sea of identical.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Gay man that's so funny. You're being taken care of
by anonymity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Like my role is just to like we're literally just
all doing the wave, and my role is when it's
my turn to just put my hands up sort of
half farheartedly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
I love that, and maybe that's what I liked.

Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Maybe that's what I liked about Pride. We also everyone
looked exactly this. I can't describe to you how everyone
was wearing a black tank top, like and normally I
feel like maybe maybe a few years ago, when I
was sort of like, so, you know, I'm not like
other girls, I'd be like, god, I can't pilate if
everyone's being the same. And now I'm like, thank god,
everyone's being the same.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I mean talk about communication fashion literally.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
But it's also talking about having such a strong sultance
of self that you find relief in the similarity.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
You know, Yeah, I mean I yeah. When I went
to Bears in Space three weeks ago, I was like, oh,
I'm wearing my outfit and I showed up in literally
everyone's wearing the exact same.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Outful can I and the mics remember everybody were a
tank top to their like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Yeah that can?

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I say?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
This is a real stretch and I'm so sorry. This
is very much me being Tom Sandoval comparing myself to Ukraine,
but here we go. This is something I also feel
in the past. You know, i'd say six months if
I'm I've gone with you protest. I feel like my
favorite part of being in a protest is not everyone's
unique sign and unique perspective. It's being in a crowd

(01:13:09):
of people where you almost like lose yourself and are
like it feels good to be part of this big
mass that is attempting to do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Something completely, you know what I mean. I think that's
a very acute understanding of what like grassports or recording
organizing and like what movements are because a lot of
people feel they individually need to be something and it's like, no,
you matter when you are some of the party.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Yeah, and I actually don't like a witty sign like
go like go post that on No, I agree with that.
I agree with that this is actually have some respect.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Well, it's also like social media culture versus like actual activism.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yes, I am so it's so liberating to be like
I am not a leader here, I am a follower
and I am proud of it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, I was thinking that's our role,
you know what I mean, Like, there's people whose lives
are devoted to organizing, and we go to what six
protests a year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
It's like, exactly, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Many people who try and center themselves in those spaces,
and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, Sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Tea, Okay, we have to do our final segment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
I'm sorry, Okay, we have to do our final segment.
More final segment. It's called shout outs, and then the
segment we shout out uh in the style of two
thousand and one TRL or radio shout out. Shout out
to your squad back home about anything that you enjoy. George,
do you have one? So that was actually really hard

(01:14:25):
because Moe was making mouthing as if saying what I
was saying at me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I did that straight.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
So shooters, damn yeah, I can do and I can
do one real quick. Okay, okay, what's up theater goers
play bill posters out there? I want to give a
shout out to the actor Daniel Radcliffe. You know, I
want to say, as a former Harry Potter tween, as
someone who has no has seen your face at this point,

(01:14:51):
for you know, over half of my life, I am
so proud of you for the man you have become.
I just saw Daniel Radcliffe on Broadway last night in
Merrily We Roll Along. Such a great actor, did a
very passable American accent, great singer, and incredible stage presence.
Despite you know, your short stature for being honest, I
think has handled the jqrelling thing incredibly well and navigated

(01:15:16):
it with poise and with class. I believe he is
such a sweet man who has made interesting artistic choices.
I am so proud that the defining kind of middle
brow childhood franchise of my generation has such a strong
and talented leader at its helm, and I cannot wait

(01:15:39):
for the rest of his career and for the things
he will do in the spaces of the stage, the screen,
and of course activism. I love that that was That
was actually very earnest, That was really good, That.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Was fully built, That was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I have one okay I had and I'm actually gonna
change it based on George's okay, what's uh freaks, losers
and perverts around the globe? I was gonna shout out
the teens in my town in Michigan that have I
feel the Internet has shifted them and gotten to them

(01:16:20):
in a way that I really do celebrate. Uh. When
when we were teens there, it was bad, but when
you guys are teens there, it seems kind of fun. Okay,
But the thing I'm actually gonna shout out, based on
George's shout out, is Emma Watson. I cut him out
ring and I said, you know what, I like this performance.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
I think she is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I love the wig. I think Emma Watson is sure.
She doesn't pomp on the screen in the same way,
but I think she there's something there. And I am
kind of like, you know what, it's hard to be
Hermione Granger and move on, and not everyone can be
Daniel Damn Radcliffe. Some people people are like, oh, she's
kind of mean. I'm like, okay, that's good. She's allowed.

(01:17:08):
She's her childhood was taken from her by Harry Potter,
and not everyone is gonna be so tasteful. And I
think she is sort of, you know, maybe what a
normal person would be like if they were cast as
Hermione in one of the news franchises of all time.
And Emma Watson, she's still out there. I think I

(01:17:28):
liked her in Little Women. I like Little Women, I think,
and I like the bling ring And I think everyone
has been kind of mean to her, and sure there's
some reasons why, but I think I celebrate her and
give her a shout out, and so I don't regret
this at all and I never will xoxo Sam.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
And to that, I want to say, in terms of
Emma Watson's acting abilities, anything can be anything in or
out of context.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
That is so fucking true. That's crazy. I'm sorry, it's
so funny. For every five seconds, we'd be like, I
love our shop popmen screen, I love our short people,
have the reason I love Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yes, Sam, that was the most.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
That was the most like qualified, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Like am Maybe someone could send this to her and
be like, oh, there's still.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
No I think she was good. I liked her in
the Bling Ring. I thought it was like an interesting
It's hard to tell obviously, like what is like I
want to rob? I want to rob.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Here's the ring, of course. I think it's it's fun.
I love the Bling Ring. Here's what makes me upset
is imagine if it was Emma Roberts, how much better
I'm sorry, that much better?

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
I think the character is I think she was playing
flop on purpose, like the character is supposed to be
kind of a loser who's like never gonna go anywhere,
right right, right, right, Well, it's very like that really
came through.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
I think it is a British person's like idea of
what it did see Californian American is and in that sense,
it's sort of like a fascinating anthropological study.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Not no, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I think what's hard for her though, is that, like
the whole that was the first sort of iteration of
quote unquote type cast for our generation where it's like,
how are you going to break free from this? Like
Dana Raka was naked on stage with the horse.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
It's like, yes, I think it was a good decision
for her to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
Yes, and it's a high caliber. I mean, she's doing
Sophia Coppola, you know, Like, so I think your damned.
But also I always walk when someone's like she's actually
a bitch, I'm like, did she just did say something? Directly?

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I definitely think she's allowed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
But I don't even think that's a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
I think it's like you know what I mean, Yeah,
I always think of her in perks of being a
wallflower saying welcome to the island of misfit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Toys.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
I remember now when the end up back in the
truck and the commercial.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
They said that, Okay, wait, I'm sorry to be time Guruba.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I have to do I have to do my story. Sorry. Okay, well,
I was trying to think and I like listen, I'm
unfortunately like huge Harry Potter person one point had the
second book memorized nor a different child. But I'm not
going to do that. There's plenty of time for that. So, okay,
is my music started.

Speaker 2 (01:20:10):
No night, Ye'll start whenever you know the vibe hate YouTube. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
So my thing is shout out to having friends who
are very comfortable with me being obsessed with and shout
out to Sam and your who I will constantly text
and actually hold back a lot of times, and maybe
not constantly text, but think about and being like that
joke he did from twenty years ago was so good.
And I think about George's Fidora Fidora Fedora about a
Broadway actor. Google tweet all the time. I sometimes too

(01:20:37):
many times text Sam about tweets he did in twenty
fifteen about saying he was so hungover he could see time,
and then all his Chow Bonnie tweets which were like,
chow Bonnie, lie over the ocean. Cho Bonnie, lie over
the sea, Chow me the Bonnie, and just shout out
to my friends, who like, since day one, are the
funniest people I've ever met, and also like when I
text them about Checkov's butt plug, they're like, they're not
like chill mo, They're like, thank you, and you guys

(01:20:59):
are the best that I love very much.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Oh wow, that's so sweet too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
You know our night on the along the Hollywood Walk
of Fame? Do you remember this?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Oh god, I have not since then laughed that hard.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
It's it's really difficult to describe. We were simply walking
on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and every time we'd
see a name, which is constantly, we would act as
though we actually saw that. We would just be like
we would scream the Beatles and we'd be like we
love them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
Like it was like, I'm sorry, I keep spiking this
whole episode, but we would all three. It wasn't even
like are we going to do it again? It was everyone,
we're doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Actually, I think became a yeah, and I think when
we released this episode, I'm going to publish the photos
of because i have photos of it, Watson.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Oh yeah, remember Georgia Greager, me and Sam would dot.
I was in Daniel's hand and Sam was in Emma's
hands at the theater, the Chinese theater.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Literally anything can be an Okay, we have to I'm
so late. I love you so much. Okay, sorry, George,
relate that this was the greatest day of my life.
All right, bye Moe, I love you, Love you, Bye
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(01:22:20):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
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