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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Ready to be amazed by the Wizard of Weird Josha Warren.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I am Joshua WA B.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Warren, and each week on this show, I'll be bringing
you brand new mind blowing news exercises and weird.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Experiments you can do at home, and a lot more
on this edition of the show. Who was Buster? The Alien?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And the Strange Story of a Familiar Sauce? How's that
for a combo? I am quite sure that most of
you have never heard the story I am about to
tell you right now. And I say that because, much
to my surprise, I had not heard of this until
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just recently. I couldn't believe that I had never heard
about this until just recently, so happy to be sharing
it with you. I'm going to tell you about a
UFO crash with aliens that may be just as significant
as the Roswell crash of nineteen forty seven, except this
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one was so hush hush.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So obscure.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It happened several years later, when I guess the military
really kind of had their protocol down pat that there
still is a very good chance that some enterprising researchers
could go look into this and find some stuff. Because
the Roswell incident has been comed over with a fine
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tooth comb so so many times over so many years
that you know, it's like good luck going to Roswell
and finding anything new at this point the story I'm
about to tell you, however, this is good enough to
like you could go write a book about this, You
could make a movie about it. There are probably things
to be discovered here that nobody knows about. Let me
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begin by telling you that I live in Las Vegas, Nevada,
and about a thirty minute drive slightly southeast of the
Vegas Strip is the little town of Boulder City, Nevada.
It's one of my favorite towns in the entire country.
Boulder City is so unusual because you had never guessed
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that you were only thirty minutes from Las Vegas. And
that's because you know, when you're around Las Vegas, I mean,
you do realize. You know, you're in the desert with
a lot of flashy lights and tourist attractions and you know.
But in Boulder City, you're in this quaint, little All
American town. It's sort of like the kind of place
where you might film a Hallmark movie. They don't allow
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gambling there, for example. There are tons of antique shops,
great little cafes and bars and restaurants, and some really
interesting and odd attractions. Boulder City was built in order
to house the workers who created the Boulder Dam now
known as the Hoover Dam, and a lot of the
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people who live there today are actually descendants of those workmen.
So Boulder City is it's such a charming little place.
That's why I decided years ago to create the Haunted
Boulder City Ghost and UFO Tour. It's a walking tour
that again I wrote it, I created it, I own it,
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I operate it, and people love it. A nice leisurely
walk around you know, it's an easy walk around the
town at night. You hear all kinds of amazing stories.
You could even take a beer with you if you'd
like walking on the route. And one of the things
that first attracted me to Boulder City back around probably
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like twenty eighteen was a pamphlet a rack card that
I saw. I was at kind of a small casino
and they had the rack with all the tourists stuff,
and I saw a rat card that said Tom Devlin's
Monster Museum. Well, look, you don't have to say anything
more than that to get my attention. Monster Museum. And
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it said in Boulder City there is a monster museum.
Well there is a man, and I guess he is
in his I'd say he's in his forties at this point,
named Tom Devlin. And Tom Devlin is a very well
known professional special effects makeup artist who works in all
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He's worked in all kinds of movies. As a matter
of fact, you may remember a show on the Sci
Fi Channel called Face Off, and that was a reality
game show and they would take groups of prosthetic makeup
artists and they would compete against each other to create
the kind of prostheses you would find in like science fiction,
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fantasy and horror films, working until you know you got
like an ultimate winner for the season. Well Tom Devlin
was one of the winners on that show. But so
this guy Tom Devlin, he's been working professionally doing this
since two thousand and one. And he let's see, he's
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I know, he's worked on over one hundred okay, one
hundred and sixty feature films, and he's actually moved on
to directing as well. So he's a filmmaker and I
believe his wife is also a filmmaker. And what's so
great about Tom Devlin is he's a lot like me
in the sense that he loves the old fashioned, practical
special effects, the kind of stuff that was so great
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in the eighties movies. You know, this recent CGI stuff,
I think it ruins a lot of movies. He just
kind of turns them into a big cartoon.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I love the fact that Yoda was a was basically
a muppet, you know, that kind of thing I instead
of some cartoon. So look, he is trying to preserve
that tradition. He teaches people how to do special effects,
makeup and all that. So if you go to Boulder city.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Sure enough.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He has this glorious building and when you walk inside,
you go through these winding hallways and it's all dark
and spooky, and you see all of these statues that
he has created that are that that represent classic movie
monsters all the way up through modern day monsters. And
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he's got actual screen used props. There are times when
celebrities go there and do signings. There's a gift shop.
It's a really really cool place. In fact, just about
any time someone comes here to visit me in Las
Vegas and I have the time to take them out
and show them around, I always take them to Tom
Devlin's Monster Museum. And so that gives you an idea
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of how much I like this place, and and I
love the fact also that you know this is an
independently owned and you're like Tom Devlin and his team
they they operate this, and uh, it's it's sort of
like you know, it's a it's a it's a work
of love to create this. It's not like some big
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corporate thing.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You can tell he and his team have sat down,
like taken their time to create each one of these. Well, anyway,
I've been going to Tom Devlin's Monster Museum for years,
and just recently, I mean months ago, he created a
whole brand new kind of museum next to his Monster Museum,
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and this one is dedicated exclusively to UFOs and aliens.
It's called Outpost fifty one Alien Museum, Extra Terrestrial Research
and Collection Facility of Boulder City, Nevada. And I thought, man,
this guy thinks exactly like me, Like I would love
to have done something like that. So back in November
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of t twenty five, my sister and her friends were visiting.
My sister celebrated her birthday here and we went to
Boulder City. We went to Outpost fifty one. By the way,
the Tom Devlin's Monster Museum is Tom Devlin'smonster Museum dot com.
Outpost fifty one is Outpost fifty one Alien Museum dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Easy to find, And as I.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Was walking around, I was I was surprised because I
looked over and I saw a display and I'm looking
at a picture of it right here. It says Kingman
UFO Crash of nineteen fifty three, and I was like, hmm,
that doesn't sound familiar to me because Kingman is not
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far from here. I'm talking about Kingman, Arizona, very small town.
I've never even been there. It is about an hour
and forty five minute drive southeast of Vegas. It's consumer
a cold desert climate. The population is thirty two thousand,
six hundred and ninety three people. And Kingman, Arizona is
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most famous for being the heart of Route sixty six.
And to refresh you on what that is. And I
know a lot of people listen to the show Around
the World Route sixty six, it's often called, well, Kingman
is called the heart of Route sixty six. It was
established in nineteen twenty six, and this was an iconic
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highway that connected Chicago, Illinois to Santa Monica, California. It
was twenty four hundred and forty eight miles. I don't
know how many kilometers that is, but this was a
major westward migration route during the Dust Bowl and a
key military supply line of World War Two. They called
it the Mother Road and it kind of symbolized American
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freedom and spurred the growth of the Southwest. So Kingman
is known as the heart of Roots sixty six. So
as you go through there, they're all kinds of old
diners and antique car displays, and things that are like
an homage to all the people, you know, the family
vacations that went through en Route sixty six, through all
these towns, filled back of the day with all these
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amazing roadside attractions, and you know, you can just imagine.
So that is like what they are most known for.
But it turns out, well, there's something else that they
ought to be known for, and that is a crash.
When we come back from this break, I'm going to
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do my best to piece together what I found and
tell you what this happened, what happened there supposedly, But
then it gets even weirder because we're not just talking
about a crash.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
We're talking about a crash that leads to a creature
buster the alien.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
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Welcome back to Strange Things.
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All the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a m paranormal
podcast Network. I am your host, the Wizard of Weird,
Joshua P.
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Warren.
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Beat me into your worm whole brain from my studio
in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is
golden and every night is silver.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I giato zoom.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And as I tell you about this U f O
crash in Kingman, Arizona, mind you it could be U
f O's crash, because, as you'll hear in a moment,
there are at least one at least eleven people that
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I'm aware of who claimed that they actually saw the
crash happened at night in May of nineteen fifty three,
and that by in some of the papers I found
that says that, you know, some people saw one, some
people saw two. But more importantly, when the military went out,
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there are lots of references to them getting.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Two of these objects.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So here's okay, the Roswell crash was in nineteen forty seven.
What I'm about to tell you about happened in May
of nineteen fifty three, so six years later, and the
information is kind of all over the place. It's very sketchy,
because you know it always is when the government steps
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in and tries to cover things up. So I'm going
to struggle a bit. I'm going to do my best
to cobble together what I have been able to find
to give you what I know, and then also keep
in mind some of this might be sort of redundant.
In other words, I might tell you the same thing
twice from two different sources, just so you can kind
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of see the way it's worded. I mean, bear with me,
bear with me, Okay. When I started looking into this,
one of the things I found right off the bat
that was helpful was a television news segment done by
Channel twelve News in Phoenix, Arizona. They did a whole
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segment about this, and it was done in August of
twenty twenty four. A reporter named Chase Golightly went out
and tackled this and he says in his report news
dot Com he says, you know, we all know about
the famous Phoenix lights and other sightings in Arizona, but
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this case is different.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And that it's uh.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
There's a lot of very specific documentation here, including like
I say, bodies. In fact, author Preston Dinnett, I don't
know him, but I know of him. He's a UFO
expert was interviewed for this segment and he said, this
is just one of a very small handful of UFO
crash retrieval reports in the States that have this kind
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of verification. So this reporter he went to the Majave
Museum of History in Kingman and you see him going
through all these old newspaper clippings, sketches, and he comes
across all of these redacted government documents that have been
collected by UFO researchers and The weirdest one, however, comes
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from a man who originally they signed at affidavit saying
he was one of the government employees who was sent
out there to work on this crash retrieval, called Fritz
Warner or Fritz Werner or Fritz Werner, But it turns
out they later discovered that this guy's real name was
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Arthur Stancel, and he goes on to say that Stancel
was an Air Force engineer who was brought out there
to study the impact because he worked already studying impacts
of nuclear blasts on homes and buildings. He was kind
of a blast expert. And again, we don't know exactly
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what this looked like when these two objects came down,
But right after that, Stancel was one of forty people
transported to the crash scene in a bus with blacked
out windows so they wouldn't know exactly where they were.
They were told this was part of a secret project
when they arrived. One report in the library claims the UFO,
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measuring fourteen feet high and thirty feet in diameter, was
made out of unfamiliar metal plunged about twenty inches into
the ground, and it was Stancel's job to basically determine
the speed of the object as it came down. He
estimated it was about twelve hundred miles per hour. The
craft was largely undamaged. But next to this UFO was
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the corpse of the so called pilot, a little being
about four feet tall, wearing a silver metallic suit, surrounded
by military police. The workers conducted their studies in the
dead of night, and when they got back on the bus,
an Air Force colonel made them take an oath of secrecy.
And so Stancil kept this secret for twenty years and
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then came forward and signed this affidavit. He was actually
working with the UFO researcher. I'll tell you more about
in a second. This has become such a credible account.
Years later, some kind of a secret about this crash
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was released by former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
Christopher Mellon. You've seen Christopher Mellon on a lot of
TV shows. He was corresponding, apparently with some kind of
a senior US government member whose name was redacted in
some of these documents, and this government member says that
the public would be quote slack jawed if word got
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out about what they know writing the US government sees
the Kingdom and UFO and pieces were taken to various
Air Force BASS scientific labs and studied intensely.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
If you go to.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Let's see, if you go to explore Kingman dot com.
This is a site that is owned and operated by
the Kingman Office of Tourism. It's the official tourism website
for the city of Kingmen, and so you know, it's
got stuff about you know, local attractions, historic stuff. But
there's a really fascinating write ups they have here with
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sketches and you can see some of these documents and
you know, these official documents that have been leaked, things
have been redacted. The website is explore Kingman dot com.
Explore Kingman dot com. One Reporter was written by Donnakhat
Campbell in May of nineteen fifty three. According to local
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lore and several UFO experts, there were at least two and.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Possibly three.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
UFO crashes in Kingman, Arizona that could rival Roswell.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Let's let me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Focus a little bit here on what what Arthur Stancil said. So,
this guy was a scientist who worked at the nuclear
test site in Nevada on what was called Operation Upshot
not whole, and later on Project Blue Book we all
know about that. And he decided to break his silence
and tell his story to a well known investigator of
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UFO's named Raymond Faller back in nineteen seventy three, this
would have been twenty years after the incident, and Fowler
recorded his interactions in a book called Casebook of a
UFO Investigator that was published in nineteen eighty one. And
so Fowler at that time he said that it came
from Fritz Werner. But later, you know, the truth came
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out that it was Arthur Stancil. Here was the first
thing that Stancil wrote, I Fritz Werner do solemnly swear
that during a special assignment with the US Air Force
on May twenty first of nineteen fifty three, I assisted
in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the
vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. The object was constructed of an
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unfamiliar metal which resembled brushed aluminum. It had impact did
twenty inches into the sand without any sign of structural damage.
It was oval and about thirty feet in diameter. An
entranceway hatch had been vertically lowered and opened. It was
about three and a half feet high and one and
a half feet wide. I was able to talk briefly
with someone on the team who did look inside only briefly.
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He saw two swivel seats, an oval cabin, and a
lot of instruments and displays. A tent pitch near the
object sheltered that the dead remains of the only occupant
of the craft. It was about four feet tall, dark
brown complexion, had two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, and
a small round mouth. It was clothed in a silvery
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metallic suit and wore a skull cap of the same
type material. It wore no face covering or helmet. I
certify that the above statement is true by fixing my
signature to this document on this day of June seven,
nineteen seventy three, and witnessed. Apparently, Fowler looked into Stancel's
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credentials and they were very impressive. There was no question
about the fact that he had management positions at Wright
Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, Ohio, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean he again, he was a blast expert. He
was on special assignment at the Atomic Energy Commission at
the Atomic Proving ground in Nevada, and in a longer
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statement later on, Stancel described even more about how all
this went down. He said that he reported for special
duty the afternoon of May twentieth of nineteen fifty three,
was driven to Indian Springs Air Force Space, where he
joined at least fifteen other specialists. They were total leave
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all their valuables, watches, rings, everything in the custody of
the military police, and then put on a military plane
and flown to Phoenix. They were not allowed to talk
to each other, put on a bus with blacked out
windows so they could not see where they were going.
He said, quote. We rode for an estimated four hours.
I think we were in the area of Kingman. We
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were told by an Air Force full colonel that a
super secret Air Force vehicle had crashed, and that since
we were all specialists in certain fields, we were to
investigate the crash in terms of our own specialty and
nothing more. Finally, the bus stopped and we disembarked one
at a time as our names were called and escorted
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by military police to the area that we were to inspect.
Two spotlights were centered on the crashed object, which was
ringed with guards. The lights were so bright that it
was impossible to see the surrounding area. The object was
oval and looked like two deep saucers, one inverted upon
the other. I got to take a break. When we
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come back, I'm going to tell you more about what
he saw there, and then how does this apply to
this brand new mystery buster, the Alien.
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I'm Joshua pe Warren.
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Warren, and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So Stancil says.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
The craft was about thirty feet in diameter, with convex
surfaces top and bottom surfaces about twenty feet in diameter.
Part of the object had sunk into the ground. It
was constructed of a dull silver metal like brushed aluminum.
The metal was darker where the saucer lips formed a
rim around which were what looked like slots. A curved,
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open hatch door was located on the leading end and
was vertically lowered. There was a light coming from inside,
but it could have been installed by the Air Force.
He goes on to say, quote, I managed to glance
inside at one point and saw the dead body of
a four foot human like creature and a silver, metallic
looking suit. The skin on its face was dark brown.
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This may have been caused by exposure to our atmosphere.
It had a metallic skull captive device on its head.
As soon as each person finished his task, he was
interviewed over a tape recorder and escorted back to the bus.
On the way, I managed to talk briefly with someone
else who told me that he had glanced inside the
object and saw two swivel like seats, instruments, displays.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And so.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I could give you many, many more details because I mean, basically,
I mean this is there's a lot of there's a
surprising amount of paperwork and documentation and newspaper reports and
leaked supposedly declassified documents and stuff related to this. Now
this is a podcast, I have limited time, so I
can't break this down and give you all that information.
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But you know a lot of people have speculated these
crashes were caused by nuclear testing in the area. There
is even one investigator who interviewed people who claimed that
one of the aliens that came from this crash or
another crash in Kingman around the time, that one of
these crashes had had an alien that was alive and
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could speak English, called him jay Rod, and that jay
Rod continued working with the military and helping them to
back engineer technology and that kind of stuff. This story
goes on and on, but as usual with these types
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of stories, there's no firm resolution because the idea is
that something or some things crashed there around around about
May twentieth, nineteen fifty three, the military swooped in. They
made everybody shut up. Some of the stuff was taken
to Area fifty one, some was taken to Right Patterson,
and you know, things get wheeled off into that big
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warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Art. Now,
the great thing about this again is that that's where
we stand. So if you are a UFO researcher and
you want to go out and start really digging around,
there may be some stuff to discovery here that hasn't
been put out before. Something you can break. Heck, take
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a metal detector out there. You know that kind of thing. Now,
I could say that's the end of the story, but no, no,
here is the rest of the story because as I
was there at Tom Devlin's Outpost fifty one Alien Museum,
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there was another display that caught my eye because it
also regarded something I'd never heard about before. There was
a glass case sitting there, and inside the case was
about a four foot shriveled, kind of mummified skeletal body
of something that looks slightly like an alien. This is
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obviously something that Tom Devlin had created, something what you
might consider a GAF or something like that. But the
sign next to it said Buster a shocking revelation. I
was like, well, what the heck is Buster?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And here's what the display says next to Buster. In
nineteen seventy three, a local man named Arlen McGrath discovered
unusual skeletal remains on the banks of the Colorado River
near Nelson's Landing, Nevada. Let me pause for a second
and let you know that Nelson's Landing is about thirty
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eight minutes south of Boulder City, and it is it's
this beautiful little it's like a cliff and some land
that kind of it's an outcropping there. That's it's waterfront.
It's right next to the Colorado River. So when you're
on Nelson's Landing, it's like a great place where you
could fish. You're standing there, you're you're looking across the
Colorado River. One side of the river is Nevada, the
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other side is Arizona. So it's a very rugged area.
I've only been there once or twice, and it also
is so again. It's like thirty eight minutes south of
Boulder City. It's it's about an hour and fifty two
minutes north of Kingman, Arizona. That area is very haunted
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by the way a lot of miners went there. The
Spanish first found gold in that area Nelson's Landing in
seventeen seventy five. They called it El Dorado, and then
miners came in and that area around Nelson's Landing there's
an old ghost town there. It's named after Charles Nelson,
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who was murdered there in eighteen ninety seven. He was
a mining camp leader, and it's kind of interesting when
you when you dig into like the spooky stuff around
that area. He was killed in eighteen ninety seven by
a Payu Indian named a Vote, and the murder occurred
after a Vote learned that two of Nelson's employees were
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pursuing a Vote's wife. So Nelson was killed in his
home along with four others. And this Indian, let's see
this Piu Indian a Vote. He was a renegade known
for violence. They say he ultimately killed ten men in
a spree before local miners forced a Vote's brother to
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execute him as a form of frontier justice. So they
named that area that town there, Nelson, Nevada, and Nelson's Landing.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Is a part of that.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
There are all kinds of bizarre stories about devil dogs
and all kinds of so anyway, that's what we're talking about.
So going back to the display, it says in nineteen
seventy three, a local man, Arlen McGrath discovered unusual skeletal
remains on the banks of the Colorado near Nelson's Landing, Nevada.
For many years, the remains were believed to belong to
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a chimpanzee and were affectionately nicknamed the Desert Chimp. Arland
was convinced he had found the bones of a chimp
which at the time was not considered unusual. In the
nineteen sixties and seventies, exotic pets like chimpanzees were legal
and not uncommon in the Las Vegas area. The desert
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chimp story circulated for nearly two decades, capturing the curiosity
of locals and visitors alike. It wasn't until the nineteen
nineties that researchers took a closer look and realized the
remains were not from a chimpanzee at all. The skeleton's
elongated torso, unusually short legs, and long arms did not
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match any known primate species. Instead, these features pointed to
something far more mysterious. Today, it is believed that the
remains now known as Buster may have belonged to a
surviving occupant of the infamous nineteen fifty three kingman Ufo crash.
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Some researchers speculate that Buster may have crossed the Colorado
River after the crash, but ultimately perish due to the
harsh desert environment and extreme temperatures. Alongside Buster's remains, a
fragment of tattered silver colored material was found, weathered and
darkened from years in the earth. This material is now
(34:24):
thought to be part of the same metallic fabric described
by witnesses of the Kingman Crash, believed to have been
worn by the craft's occupants.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I read that. I was like, what what.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
There's a body and scientists were studying it in the
nineteen nineties. Where is this body? What's the conclusion? Where
are the remains?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Where is the like? What?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
So?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's the employee there? And he didn't have any particular
information about that display. I went home and I got
on the Internet and I started looking this up, and
I could not find anything about this story. And I thought,
you know, maybe, you know, maybe this is something that
Tom Devlin made up for fun. You know, they have
(35:22):
like these old wonderful roadside attractions like the Thing and stuff.
And I thought, maybe, even though the museum is really
based upon a lot of you know, credible UFO research,
maybe this is his fun thing that he did, uh
and just kind of created this for, you know, to
(35:42):
create a little buzz, little stir. But I wanted to
know for sure, so I I contacted Tom Devlin. I've
never tried to contact him directly before, never had a
reason to. He's a very busy man. I'm a very
busy man. I mean, I've talked to plenty of his
(36:02):
staff before and they've been very kind, and they've put
out rat cards for my tours, and we've kind of
co promoted each other. And then they I believe they
even carried the book that David Weatherley wrote about Boulder
City ghost Stories that I wrote the forward two. But
I never corresponded with Tom. So I contacted Tom Devlin
(36:24):
and I said, hey, look, got a quick question for you.
Said this display about Buster, whatever this you know, the
desert chump that turns out it's not a chump? You know?
Is this just something that was done, uh, you know,
like a roadside attraction for fun? Or is there some
actual source material here.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well a few days went.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
By, I didn't hear anything, and I was thinking, like,
I don't know if he If he doesn't get back
to me, because I can't find anything online about this,
I'm going to have to lean toward the fact that
maybe this is something he did for fun. But last
night Tom Devlin got back to me. He said, oh, sorry,
I just now saw your message, and he told me
(37:09):
what the deal is behind Buster. When we come back,
I'm going to tell you what Tom Devlin told me,
and then we're gonna switch gears and do some mental manna,
and I'm gonna tell you a little something about the
strange story of a familiar sauce. I thought this was interesting,
and so maybe you will too. I'm Joshua Pee Warren.
(37:32):
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this
(38:19):
edition of Strange Things, Bob the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
And I asked Tom Devlin, is this buster display? I mean,
is this just something for fun or is there some
source material? And here is what he wrote. He said,
(38:42):
it's all hearsay. I never heard of this until I
moved to Boulder City, but I have had several people
tell me the story of the so called desert Chimp,
especially when working around Nelson's landing on movies late at night.
I did a film called Bikers Versus were Wolves out
(39:03):
There and we spent a lot of time looking at
the stars and talking about Nevada. Stuff that cannot be explained,
I've had a couple of people in Outpost fifty one
customers who have told me that this is one of
their favorite local legends as well. And I always jump
out of my seat and ask if they have any
(39:25):
idea where the body was recovered, because I would like
to make a video hunting for Buster's resting spot.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Huh, well, how do you like that? So Tom Devlin
is saying this, No, this is a real local legend.
Locals know about this, Locals have passed this along.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So I.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Think that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He could have said like, oh yeah, I just made
that up for No, he says, there are people who
say that this story is legit. So look where does
that leave us. Well, I'll tell you what. If you
are a UFO researcher and again you want to make
a documentary or write a book, well I have just
given you a gift. You are welcome. Go out there,
(40:13):
look into this story, see what you can find. And
mind you if any of you listening happen to know
anything about the remains of Buster. And I always have
some bounty money, you know, I'm always happy to send
some cash for information if it's credible information. So now
(40:36):
that I've tossed this out there and I've informed a
lot of people about something that I myself just learned,
I'm expecting to possibly get some really interesting feedback. So
now we'll say this is to be continued, I guess,
but you you know the story of the Kingman, Arizona
(40:56):
Crash and Buster, the Alien aka aka the Desert Chimp,
and now for something completely different. I always like to
mix it up a little bit and give you more
(41:18):
than one topic to think about. I one of the
things I like to do for fun is go into
the kitchen sometimes and experiment. You know, after all, cooking
is chemistry, and I'm always just trying out wild sauces
and seasonings and ingredients and just something I do for
(41:39):
fun to let off some steam. And sometimes I come
up with some of the most delicious things you've ever eaten.
Sometimes I come up with things that are inedible. But
I'm always sort of like researching the history of food.
I saw a video the other day and the story
took me by surprise.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
It's about.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
These two pharmacists in England who were working in the
eighteen thirties and they had like a pretty standard pharmacy
there in England, and apparently they knew a lord, Lord Sandy's.
And one day the lord came walking into the pharmacy.
(42:25):
He had just gotten back from a big trip. He
said he'd been in India with the East India Company,
and he just went on and on and on about
this special sauce that he encountered in India that he
said was like nothing else he'd ever tasted before, and
he wanted to see if they might be able to
reproduce it. And they said, okay, now, imagine how hard
(42:48):
this would be. The guy is trying to explain to
them what this tasted like, and he was very eloquent
and articulate, so he was giving a lot of, you know,
valuable details, and they listened and they gave him samples
of things, and he said, it tastes a little like this,
a little like that. So finally they said, okay, we'll
give it a shot. They mixed up something kind of strange.
(43:12):
As you know, they spent days they mixed let's see here,
they mixed vinegar with molasses and anchovies and tamarind and
(43:34):
onions and garlic and various spices. And after they mixed
it all up, they took a whiff of it. We're like, oh,
that's bad. You know, anchovies are a little fish, right.
(43:55):
So again, I don't know how they came up with it. Vinegar, molasses, anchovies, tamarind, onion, scarlet, spice.
Very said nah, this is too strong. Yeah, this is inedible.
So they told him they were sorry that they you know,
they just couldn't figure out how to to nail what
he was looking for. They had this fixed in a
barrel and they just had a warehouse. They put the
(44:16):
barrel away. I guess they could have poured it out,
but for some reason they kept it in there.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
And then.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Eighteen months later they needed some space in the warehouse,
and so they went over and they decided, yeah, let's
pour this crap out of this barrel, just to open
the barrel up. And they smelled it and they said, wow, hmm. Interesting,
now that it's been sitting here and fermenting for eighteen months,
(44:46):
it suddenly smells really nice. And they tasted it and
they were shocked. They said it had become very mellowed
and palatable. And they let the Lord taste it. He says, oh, yes,
this this is it.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
This is perfect. Loved it.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And they started sharing this sauce with other people and
everybody loved this weird fermented sauce with all these bizarre ingredients. Well,
those pharmacists were named John Wheeley Lee and William Henry
Parns Lee and parents, and their pharmacy was in Worcester, England,
(45:34):
and they started marketing this sauce in eighteen thirty seven
called Worcester Sauce. I know that some people look at
how it's spelled and they think it's called worcester Shire sauce,
but no, it's pronounced Worcester Sauce. And this thing became
a huge hit and to this day is a huge
best seller. I actually have a bottle in my hands
(45:57):
right now. I have a refrig here in my studio.
During the break, I took this bottle of lean parents
out the original Worcester sauce, and you don't have to
refrigerate it. I like it cold though, and it does
hold the flavors longer if it's cold. And what's interesting,
I love Worcester sauce. And when you when you take
(46:19):
I put a little bit of it in a shot
glass here. I'm going to do it right now. When
you put a little bit of it in a shot
glass and just taste it alone. Okay, oh man, it's good.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
You can Actually I I can taste the anchovies in
there now that I know that. Maybe it's just my imagination,
but once you know what the ingredients are, you kind
of taste all that now. Actually, nobody knows the exact
recipe because you know, I mentioned like there are other
spices and stuff. It's one of those things where, like
(46:56):
to this day, the Lean Parents Company, the original Worcester
Sauce Company, they keep their actual hardcore recipe a secret,
like like a couple of people know it. It's one
of those things that's written down, put into a vault
somewhere because it's like the herbs and spices.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
But they say that here's what's what really makes Worcester
Sauce so mysterious and so wonderful that that it's is
like the only thing that hits all the five basic
taste sensations. Umami, salty, sour, sweet, and bitter. Umami is
(47:43):
savory salty provided by the anchovies, sour tangy from the vinegar,
and tamarin sweet from the molasses and sugar, a little
bitter and spicy from some of those spices and some
of the peppers, and so this is considered like this
sea ingredient that chefs will often use because they know
if they put a few dashes of this in there,
(48:05):
no matter what they're fixing, it's going to hit the
note somewhere in your mouth that you like because it
hits all five basic taste sensations. And one of the
strangest things about it is the number one country on
this earth that uses the most.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
You think you'd be England.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
No, it's El Salvador, they say. They put they consume
more Worcester sauce than anywhere else in the world. Why
I've looked it up. I can't find out why. They say, Well,
it just seems to fit very nicely into the seafood
and complementing a lot of the shell fish and stuff
(48:45):
that they love to eat there. All right, folks, we're
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Experiments you can do at home, and a lot more
on this edition of the show. Who was Buster? The Alien?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
And the Strange Story of a Familiar Sauce? How's that
for a combo? I am quite sure that most of
you have never heard the story I am about to
tell you right now. And I say that because, much
to my surprise, I had not heard of this until
(01:50):
just recently. I couldn't believe that I had never heard
about this until just recently, so happy to be sharing
it with you. I'm going to tell you about a
UFO crash with aliens that may be just as significant
as the Roswell crash of nineteen forty seven, except this
(02:11):
one was so hush hush.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So obscure.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It happened several years later, when I guess the military
really kind of had their protocol down pat that there
still is a very good chance that some enterprising researchers
could go look into this and find some stuff. Because
the Roswell incident has been comed over with a fine
(02:36):
tooth comb so so many times over so many years
that you know, it's like good luck going to Roswell
and finding anything new at this point the story I'm
about to tell you, however, this is good enough to
like you could go write a book about this, You
could make a movie about it. There are probably things
to be discovered here that nobody knows about. Let me
(03:00):
begin by telling you that I live in Las Vegas, Nevada,
and about a thirty minute drive slightly southeast of the
Vegas Strip is the little town of Boulder City, Nevada.
It's one of my favorite towns in the entire country.
Boulder City is so unusual because you had never guessed
(03:23):
that you were only thirty minutes from Las Vegas. And
that's because you know, when you're around Las Vegas, I mean,
you do realize. You know, you're in the desert with
a lot of flashy lights and tourist attractions and you know.
But in Boulder City, you're in this quaint, little All
American town. It's sort of like the kind of place
where you might film a Hallmark movie. They don't allow
(03:46):
gambling there, for example. There are tons of antique shops,
great little cafes and bars and restaurants, and some really
interesting and odd attractions. Boulder City was built in order
to house the workers who created the Boulder Dam now
known as the Hoover Dam, and a lot of the
(04:06):
people who live there today are actually descendants of those workmen.
So Boulder City is it's such a charming little place.
That's why I decided years ago to create the Haunted
Boulder City Ghost and UFO Tour. It's a walking tour
that again I wrote it, I created it, I own it,
(04:29):
I operate it, and people love it. A nice leisurely
walk around you know, it's an easy walk around the
town at night. You hear all kinds of amazing stories.
You could even take a beer with you if you'd
like walking on the route. And one of the things
that first attracted me to Boulder City back around probably
(04:50):
like twenty eighteen was a pamphlet a rack card that
I saw. I was at kind of a small casino
and they had the rack with all the tourists stuff,
and I saw a rat card that said Tom Devlin's
Monster Museum. Well, look, you don't have to say anything
more than that to get my attention. Monster Museum. And
(05:14):
it said in Boulder City there is a monster museum.
Well there is a man, and I guess he is
in his I'd say he's in his forties at this point,
named Tom Devlin. And Tom Devlin is a very well
known professional special effects makeup artist who works in all
(05:36):
He's worked in all kinds of movies. As a matter
of fact, you may remember a show on the Sci
Fi Channel called Face Off, and that was a reality
game show and they would take groups of prosthetic makeup
artists and they would compete against each other to create
the kind of prostheses you would find in like science fiction,
(05:58):
fantasy and horror films, working until you know you got
like an ultimate winner for the season. Well Tom Devlin
was one of the winners on that show. But so
this guy Tom Devlin, he's been working professionally doing this
since two thousand and one. And he let's see, he's
(06:19):
I know, he's worked on over one hundred okay, one
hundred and sixty feature films, and he's actually moved on
to directing as well. So he's a filmmaker and I
believe his wife is also a filmmaker. And what's so
great about Tom Devlin is he's a lot like me
in the sense that he loves the old fashioned, practical
special effects, the kind of stuff that was so great
(06:40):
in the eighties movies. You know, this recent CGI stuff,
I think it ruins a lot of movies. He just
kind of turns them into a big cartoon.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I love the fact that Yoda was a was basically
a muppet, you know, that kind of thing I instead
of some cartoon. So look, he is trying to preserve
that tradition. He teaches people how to do special effects,
makeup and all that. So if you go to Boulder city.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Sure enough.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
He has this glorious building and when you walk inside,
you go through these winding hallways and it's all dark
and spooky, and you see all of these statues that
he has created that are that that represent classic movie
monsters all the way up through modern day monsters. And
(07:29):
he's got actual screen used props. There are times when
celebrities go there and do signings. There's a gift shop.
It's a really really cool place. In fact, just about
any time someone comes here to visit me in Las
Vegas and I have the time to take them out
and show them around, I always take them to Tom
Devlin's Monster Museum. And so that gives you an idea
(07:52):
of how much I like this place, and and I
love the fact also that you know this is an
independently owned and you're like Tom Devlin and his team
they they operate this, and uh, it's it's sort of
like you know, it's a it's a it's a work
of love to create this. It's not like some big
(08:13):
corporate thing.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
You can tell he and his team have sat down,
like taken their time to create each one of these. Well, anyway,
I've been going to Tom Devlin's Monster Museum for years,
and just recently, I mean months ago, he created a
whole brand new kind of museum next to his Monster Museum,
(08:34):
and this one is dedicated exclusively to UFOs and aliens.
It's called Outpost fifty one Alien Museum, Extra Terrestrial Research
and Collection Facility of Boulder City, Nevada. And I thought, man,
this guy thinks exactly like me, Like I would love
to have done something like that. So back in November
(08:59):
of t twenty five, my sister and her friends were visiting.
My sister celebrated her birthday here and we went to
Boulder City. We went to Outpost fifty one. By the way,
the Tom Devlin's Monster Museum is Tom Devlin'smonster Museum dot com.
Outpost fifty one is Outpost fifty one Alien Museum dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Easy to find, And as I.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Was walking around, I was I was surprised because I
looked over and I saw a display and I'm looking
at a picture of it right here. It says Kingman
UFO Crash of nineteen fifty three, and I was like, hmm,
that doesn't sound familiar to me because Kingman is not
(09:45):
far from here. I'm talking about Kingman, Arizona, very small town.
I've never even been there. It is about an hour
and forty five minute drive southeast of Vegas. It's consumer
a cold desert climate. The population is thirty two thousand,
six hundred and ninety three people. And Kingman, Arizona is
(10:09):
most famous for being the heart of Route sixty six.
And to refresh you on what that is. And I
know a lot of people listen to the show Around
the World Route sixty six, it's often called, well, Kingman
is called the heart of Route sixty six. It was
established in nineteen twenty six, and this was an iconic
(10:31):
highway that connected Chicago, Illinois to Santa Monica, California. It
was twenty four hundred and forty eight miles. I don't
know how many kilometers that is, but this was a
major westward migration route during the Dust Bowl and a
key military supply line of World War Two. They called
it the Mother Road and it kind of symbolized American
(10:54):
freedom and spurred the growth of the Southwest. So Kingman
is known as the heart of Roots sixty six. So
as you go through there, they're all kinds of old
diners and antique car displays, and things that are like
an homage to all the people, you know, the family
vacations that went through en Route sixty six, through all
these towns, filled back of the day with all these
(11:16):
amazing roadside attractions, and you know, you can just imagine.
So that is like what they are most known for.
But it turns out, well, there's something else that they
ought to be known for, and that is a crash.
When we come back from this break, I'm going to
(11:37):
do my best to piece together what I found and
tell you what this happened, what happened there supposedly, But
then it gets even weirder because we're not just talking
about a crash.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
We're talking about a crash that leads to a creature
buster the alien.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
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Welcome back to Strange Things.
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All the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a m paranormal
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Joshua P.
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Warren.
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Beat me into your worm whole brain from my studio
in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is
golden and every night is silver.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I giato zoom.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And as I tell you about this U f O
crash in Kingman, Arizona, mind you it could be U
f O's crash, because, as you'll hear in a moment,
there are at least one at least eleven people that
(14:16):
I'm aware of who claimed that they actually saw the
crash happened at night in May of nineteen fifty three,
and that by in some of the papers I found
that says that, you know, some people saw one, some
people saw two. But more importantly, when the military went out,
(14:36):
there are lots of references to them getting.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Two of these objects.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
So here's okay, the Roswell crash was in nineteen forty seven.
What I'm about to tell you about happened in May
of nineteen fifty three, so six years later, and the
information is kind of all over the place. It's very sketchy,
because you know it always is when the government steps
(15:02):
in and tries to cover things up. So I'm going
to struggle a bit. I'm going to do my best
to cobble together what I have been able to find
to give you what I know, and then also keep
in mind some of this might be sort of redundant.
In other words, I might tell you the same thing
twice from two different sources, just so you can kind
(15:24):
of see the way it's worded. I mean, bear with me,
bear with me, Okay. When I started looking into this,
one of the things I found right off the bat
that was helpful was a television news segment done by
Channel twelve News in Phoenix, Arizona. They did a whole
(15:44):
segment about this, and it was done in August of
twenty twenty four. A reporter named Chase Golightly went out
and tackled this and he says in his report news
dot Com he says, you know, we all know about
the famous Phoenix lights and other sightings in Arizona, but
(16:08):
this case is different.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And that it's uh.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
There's a lot of very specific documentation here, including like
I say, bodies. In fact, author Preston Dinnett, I don't
know him, but I know of him. He's a UFO
expert was interviewed for this segment and he said, this
is just one of a very small handful of UFO
crash retrieval reports in the States that have this kind
(16:35):
of verification. So this reporter he went to the Majave
Museum of History in Kingman and you see him going
through all these old newspaper clippings, sketches, and he comes
across all of these redacted government documents that have been
collected by UFO researchers and The weirdest one, however, comes
(16:56):
from a man who originally they signed at affidavit saying
he was one of the government employees who was sent
out there to work on this crash retrieval, called Fritz
Warner or Fritz Werner or Fritz Werner, But it turns
out they later discovered that this guy's real name was
(17:18):
Arthur Stancel, and he goes on to say that Stancel
was an Air Force engineer who was brought out there
to study the impact because he worked already studying impacts
of nuclear blasts on homes and buildings. He was kind
of a blast expert. And again, we don't know exactly
(17:40):
what this looked like when these two objects came down,
But right after that, Stancel was one of forty people
transported to the crash scene in a bus with blacked
out windows so they wouldn't know exactly where they were.
They were told this was part of a secret project
when they arrived. One report in the library claims the UFO,
(18:02):
measuring fourteen feet high and thirty feet in diameter, was
made out of unfamiliar metal plunged about twenty inches into
the ground, and it was Stancel's job to basically determine
the speed of the object as it came down. He
estimated it was about twelve hundred miles per hour. The
craft was largely undamaged. But next to this UFO was
(18:24):
the corpse of the so called pilot, a little being
about four feet tall, wearing a silver metallic suit, surrounded
by military police. The workers conducted their studies in the
dead of night, and when they got back on the bus,
an Air Force colonel made them take an oath of secrecy.
And so Stancil kept this secret for twenty years and
(18:47):
then came forward and signed this affidavit. He was actually
working with the UFO researcher. I'll tell you more about
in a second. This has become such a credible account.
Years later, some kind of a secret about this crash
(19:08):
was released by former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence,
Christopher Mellon. You've seen Christopher Mellon on a lot of
TV shows. He was corresponding, apparently with some kind of
a senior US government member whose name was redacted in
some of these documents, and this government member says that
the public would be quote slack jawed if word got
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out about what they know writing the US government sees
the Kingdom and UFO and pieces were taken to various
Air Force BASS scientific labs and studied intensely.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
If you go to.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Let's see, if you go to explore Kingman dot com.
This is a site that is owned and operated by
the Kingman Office of Tourism. It's the official tourism website
for the city of Kingmen, and so you know, it's
got stuff about you know, local attractions, historic stuff. But
there's a really fascinating write ups they have here with
(20:12):
sketches and you can see some of these documents and
you know, these official documents that have been leaked, things
have been redacted. The website is explore Kingman dot com.
Explore Kingman dot com. One Reporter was written by Donnakhat
Campbell in May of nineteen fifty three. According to local
(20:36):
lore and several UFO experts, there were at least two and.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Possibly three.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
UFO crashes in Kingman, Arizona that could rival Roswell.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Let's let me.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Focus a little bit here on what what Arthur Stancil said. So,
this guy was a scientist who worked at the nuclear
test site in Nevada on what was called Operation Upshot
not whole, and later on Project Blue Book we all
know about that. And he decided to break his silence
and tell his story to a well known investigator of
(21:10):
UFO's named Raymond Faller back in nineteen seventy three, this
would have been twenty years after the incident, and Fowler
recorded his interactions in a book called Casebook of a
UFO Investigator that was published in nineteen eighty one. And
so Fowler at that time he said that it came
from Fritz Werner. But later, you know, the truth came
(21:33):
out that it was Arthur Stancil. Here was the first
thing that Stancil wrote, I Fritz Werner do solemnly swear
that during a special assignment with the US Air Force
on May twenty first of nineteen fifty three, I assisted
in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the
vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. The object was constructed of an
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unfamiliar metal which resembled brushed aluminum. It had impact did
twenty inches into the sand without any sign of structural damage.
It was oval and about thirty feet in diameter. An
entranceway hatch had been vertically lowered and opened. It was
about three and a half feet high and one and
a half feet wide. I was able to talk briefly
with someone on the team who did look inside only briefly.
(22:19):
He saw two swivel seats, an oval cabin, and a
lot of instruments and displays. A tent pitch near the
object sheltered that the dead remains of the only occupant
of the craft. It was about four feet tall, dark
brown complexion, had two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, and
a small round mouth. It was clothed in a silvery
(22:42):
metallic suit and wore a skull cap of the same
type material. It wore no face covering or helmet. I
certify that the above statement is true by fixing my
signature to this document on this day of June seven,
nineteen seventy three, and witnessed. Apparently, Fowler looked into Stancel's
(23:04):
credentials and they were very impressive. There was no question
about the fact that he had management positions at Wright
Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, Ohio, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean he again, he was a blast expert. He
was on special assignment at the Atomic Energy Commission at
the Atomic Proving ground in Nevada, and in a longer
(23:25):
statement later on, Stancel described even more about how all
this went down. He said that he reported for special
duty the afternoon of May twentieth of nineteen fifty three,
was driven to Indian Springs Air Force Space, where he
joined at least fifteen other specialists. They were total leave
(23:48):
all their valuables, watches, rings, everything in the custody of
the military police, and then put on a military plane
and flown to Phoenix. They were not allowed to talk
to each other, put on a bus with blacked out
windows so they could not see where they were going.
He said, quote. We rode for an estimated four hours.
I think we were in the area of Kingman. We
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were told by an Air Force full colonel that a
super secret Air Force vehicle had crashed, and that since
we were all specialists in certain fields, we were to
investigate the crash in terms of our own specialty and
nothing more. Finally, the bus stopped and we disembarked one
at a time as our names were called and escorted
(24:34):
by military police to the area that we were to inspect.
Two spotlights were centered on the crashed object, which was
ringed with guards. The lights were so bright that it
was impossible to see the surrounding area. The object was
oval and looked like two deep saucers, one inverted upon
the other. I got to take a break. When we
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come back, I'm going to tell you more about what
he saw there, and then how does this apply to
this brand new mystery buster, the Alien.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I'm Joshua pe Warren.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'll be back after
these important messages.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM paraor Podcast Network.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
I'm your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Warren, and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
So Stancil says.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
The craft was about thirty feet in diameter, with convex
surfaces top and bottom surfaces about twenty feet in diameter.
Part of the object had sunk into the ground. It
was constructed of a dull silver metal like brushed aluminum.
The metal was darker where the saucer lips formed a
rim around which were what looked like slots. A curved,
(26:33):
open hatch door was located on the leading end and
was vertically lowered. There was a light coming from inside,
but it could have been installed by the Air Force.
He goes on to say, quote, I managed to glance
inside at one point and saw the dead body of
a four foot human like creature and a silver, metallic
looking suit. The skin on its face was dark brown.
(26:55):
This may have been caused by exposure to our atmosphere.
It had a metallic skull captive device on its head.
As soon as each person finished his task, he was
interviewed over a tape recorder and escorted back to the bus.
On the way, I managed to talk briefly with someone
else who told me that he had glanced inside the
object and saw two swivel like seats, instruments, displays.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
And so.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I could give you many, many more details because I mean, basically,
I mean this is there's a lot of there's a
surprising amount of paperwork and documentation and newspaper reports and
leaked supposedly declassified documents and stuff related to this. Now
this is a podcast, I have limited time, so I
can't break this down and give you all that information.
(27:44):
But you know a lot of people have speculated these
crashes were caused by nuclear testing in the area. There
is even one investigator who interviewed people who claimed that
one of the aliens that came from this crash or
another crash in Kingman around the time, that one of
these crashes had had an alien that was alive and
(28:07):
could speak English, called him jay Rod, and that jay
Rod continued working with the military and helping them to
back engineer technology and that kind of stuff. This story
goes on and on, but as usual with these types
(28:27):
of stories, there's no firm resolution because the idea is
that something or some things crashed there around around about
May twentieth, nineteen fifty three, the military swooped in. They
made everybody shut up. Some of the stuff was taken
to Area fifty one, some was taken to Right Patterson,
and you know, things get wheeled off into that big
(28:50):
warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Art. Now,
the great thing about this again is that that's where
we stand. So if you are a UFO researcher and
you want to go out and start really digging around,
there may be some stuff to discovery here that hasn't
been put out before. Something you can break. Heck, take
(29:11):
a metal detector out there. You know that kind of thing. Now,
I could say that's the end of the story, but no, no,
here is the rest of the story because as I
was there at Tom Devlin's Outpost fifty one Alien Museum,
(29:33):
there was another display that caught my eye because it
also regarded something I'd never heard about before. There was
a glass case sitting there, and inside the case was
about a four foot shriveled, kind of mummified skeletal body
of something that looks slightly like an alien. This is
(29:55):
obviously something that Tom Devlin had created, something what you
might consider a GAF or something like that. But the
sign next to it said Buster a shocking revelation. I
was like, well, what the heck is Buster?
Speaker 4 (30:09):
What is this?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And here's what the display says next to Buster. In
nineteen seventy three, a local man named Arlen McGrath discovered
unusual skeletal remains on the banks of the Colorado River
near Nelson's Landing, Nevada. Let me pause for a second
and let you know that Nelson's Landing is about thirty
(30:36):
eight minutes south of Boulder City, and it is it's
this beautiful little it's like a cliff and some land
that kind of it's an outcropping there. That's it's waterfront.
It's right next to the Colorado River. So when you're
on Nelson's Landing, it's like a great place where you
could fish. You're standing there, you're you're looking across the
Colorado River. One side of the river is Nevada, the
(31:00):
other side is Arizona. So it's a very rugged area.
I've only been there once or twice, and it also
is so again. It's like thirty eight minutes south of
Boulder City. It's it's about an hour and fifty two
minutes north of Kingman, Arizona. That area is very haunted
(31:21):
by the way a lot of miners went there. The
Spanish first found gold in that area Nelson's Landing in
seventeen seventy five. They called it El Dorado, and then
miners came in and that area around Nelson's Landing there's
an old ghost town there. It's named after Charles Nelson,
(31:44):
who was murdered there in eighteen ninety seven. He was
a mining camp leader, and it's kind of interesting when
you when you dig into like the spooky stuff around
that area. He was killed in eighteen ninety seven by
a Payu Indian named a Vote, and the murder occurred
after a Vote learned that two of Nelson's employees were
(32:08):
pursuing a Vote's wife. So Nelson was killed in his
home along with four others. And this Indian, let's see
this Piu Indian a Vote. He was a renegade known
for violence. They say he ultimately killed ten men in
a spree before local miners forced a Vote's brother to
(32:30):
execute him as a form of frontier justice. So they
named that area that town there, Nelson, Nevada, and Nelson's Landing.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Is a part of that.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
There are all kinds of bizarre stories about devil dogs
and all kinds of so anyway, that's what we're talking about.
So going back to the display, it says in nineteen
seventy three, a local man, Arlen McGrath discovered unusual skeletal
remains on the banks of the Colorado near Nelson's Landing, Nevada.
For many years, the remains were believed to belong to
(33:01):
a chimpanzee and were affectionately nicknamed the Desert Chimp. Arland
was convinced he had found the bones of a chimp
which at the time was not considered unusual. In the
nineteen sixties and seventies, exotic pets like chimpanzees were legal
and not uncommon in the Las Vegas area. The desert
(33:22):
chimp story circulated for nearly two decades, capturing the curiosity
of locals and visitors alike. It wasn't until the nineteen
nineties that researchers took a closer look and realized the
remains were not from a chimpanzee at all. The skeleton's
elongated torso, unusually short legs, and long arms did not
(33:43):
match any known primate species. Instead, these features pointed to
something far more mysterious. Today, it is believed that the
remains now known as Buster may have belonged to a
surviving occupant of the infamous nineteen fifty three kingman Ufo crash.
(34:03):
Some researchers speculate that Buster may have crossed the Colorado
River after the crash, but ultimately perish due to the
harsh desert environment and extreme temperatures. Alongside Buster's remains, a
fragment of tattered silver colored material was found, weathered and
darkened from years in the earth. This material is now
(34:24):
thought to be part of the same metallic fabric described
by witnesses of the Kingman Crash, believed to have been
worn by the craft's occupants.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I read that. I was like, what what.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
There's a body and scientists were studying it in the
nineteen nineties. Where is this body? What's the conclusion? Where
are the remains?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Where is the like? What?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
So?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's the employee there? And he didn't have any particular
information about that display. I went home and I got
on the Internet and I started looking this up, and
I could not find anything about this story. And I thought,
you know, maybe, you know, maybe this is something that
Tom Devlin made up for fun. You know, they have
(35:22):
like these old wonderful roadside attractions like the Thing and stuff.
And I thought, maybe, even though the museum is really
based upon a lot of you know, credible UFO research,
maybe this is his fun thing that he did, uh
and just kind of created this for, you know, to
(35:42):
create a little buzz, little stir. But I wanted to
know for sure, so I I contacted Tom Devlin. I've
never tried to contact him directly before, never had a
reason to. He's a very busy man. I'm a very
busy man. I mean, I've talked to plenty of his
(36:02):
staff before and they've been very kind, and they've put
out rat cards for my tours, and we've kind of
co promoted each other. And then they I believe they
even carried the book that David Weatherley wrote about Boulder
City ghost Stories that I wrote the forward two. But
I never corresponded with Tom. So I contacted Tom Devlin
(36:24):
and I said, hey, look, got a quick question for you.
Said this display about Buster, whatever this you know, the
desert chump that turns out it's not a chump? You know?
Is this just something that was done, uh, you know,
like a roadside attraction for fun? Or is there some
actual source material here.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Well a few days went.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
By, I didn't hear anything, and I was thinking, like,
I don't know if he If he doesn't get back
to me, because I can't find anything online about this,
I'm going to have to lean toward the fact that
maybe this is something he did for fun. But last
night Tom Devlin got back to me. He said, oh, sorry,
I just now saw your message, and he told me
(37:09):
what the deal is behind Buster. When we come back,
I'm going to tell you what Tom Devlin told me,
and then we're gonna switch gears and do some mental manna,
and I'm gonna tell you a little something about the
strange story of a familiar sauce. I thought this was interesting,
and so maybe you will too. I'm Joshua Pee Warren.
(37:32):
You're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will be
right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this
(38:19):
edition of Strange Things, Bob the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, Joshua P. Warren,
And I asked Tom Devlin, is this buster display? I mean,
is this just something for fun or is there some
source material? And here is what he wrote. He said,
(38:42):
it's all hearsay. I never heard of this until I
moved to Boulder City, but I have had several people
tell me the story of the so called desert Chimp,
especially when working around Nelson's landing on movies late at night.
I did a film called Bikers Versus were Wolves out
(39:03):
There and we spent a lot of time looking at
the stars and talking about Nevada. Stuff that cannot be explained,
I've had a couple of people in Outpost fifty one
customers who have told me that this is one of
their favorite local legends as well. And I always jump
out of my seat and ask if they have any
(39:25):
idea where the body was recovered, because I would like
to make a video hunting for Buster's resting spot.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Huh, well, how do you like that? So Tom Devlin
is saying this, No, this is a real local legend.
Locals know about this, Locals have passed this along.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So I.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Think that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
He could have said like, oh yeah, I just made
that up for No, he says, there are people who
say that this story is legit. So look where does
that leave us. Well, I'll tell you what. If you
are a UFO researcher and again you want to make
a documentary or write a book, well I have just
given you a gift. You are welcome. Go out there,
(40:13):
look into this story, see what you can find. And
mind you if any of you listening happen to know
anything about the remains of Buster. And I always have
some bounty money, you know, I'm always happy to send
some cash for information if it's credible information. So now
(40:36):
that I've tossed this out there and I've informed a
lot of people about something that I myself just learned,
I'm expecting to possibly get some really interesting feedback. So
now we'll say this is to be continued, I guess,
but you you know the story of the Kingman, Arizona
(40:56):
Crash and Buster, the Alien aka aka the Desert Chimp,
and now for something completely different. I always like to
mix it up a little bit and give you more
(41:18):
than one topic to think about. I one of the
things I like to do for fun is go into
the kitchen sometimes and experiment. You know, after all, cooking
is chemistry, and I'm always just trying out wild sauces
and seasonings and ingredients and just something I do for
(41:39):
fun to let off some steam. And sometimes I come
up with some of the most delicious things you've ever eaten.
Sometimes I come up with things that are inedible. But
I'm always sort of like researching the history of food.
I saw a video the other day and the story
took me by surprise.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
It's about.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
These two pharmacists in England who were working in the
eighteen thirties and they had like a pretty standard pharmacy
there in England, and apparently they knew a lord, Lord Sandy's.
And one day the lord came walking into the pharmacy.
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He had just gotten back from a big trip. He
said he'd been in India with the East India Company,
and he just went on and on and on about
this special sauce that he encountered in India that he
said was like nothing else he'd ever tasted before, and
he wanted to see if they might be able to
reproduce it. And they said, okay, now, imagine how hard
(42:48):
this would be. The guy is trying to explain to
them what this tasted like, and he was very eloquent
and articulate, so he was giving a lot of, you know,
valuable details, and they listened and they gave him samples
of things, and he said, it tastes a little like this,
a little like that. So finally they said, okay, we'll
give it a shot. They mixed up something kind of strange.
(43:12):
As you know, they spent days they mixed let's see here,
they mixed vinegar with molasses and anchovies and tamarind and
(43:34):
onions and garlic and various spices. And after they mixed
it all up, they took a whiff of it. We're like, oh,
that's bad. You know, anchovies are a little fish, right.
(43:55):
So again, I don't know how they came up with it. Vinegar, molasses, anchovies, tamarind, onion, scarlet, spice.
Very said nah, this is too strong. Yeah, this is inedible.
So they told him they were sorry that they you know,
they just couldn't figure out how to to nail what
he was looking for. They had this fixed in a
barrel and they just had a warehouse. They put the
(44:16):
barrel away. I guess they could have poured it out,
but for some reason they kept it in there.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
And then.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Eighteen months later they needed some space in the warehouse,
and so they went over and they decided, yeah, let's
pour this crap out of this barrel, just to open
the barrel up. And they smelled it and they said, wow, hmm. Interesting,
now that it's been sitting here and fermenting for eighteen months,
(44:46):
it suddenly smells really nice. And they tasted it and
they were shocked. They said it had become very mellowed
and palatable. And they let the Lord taste it. He says, oh, yes,
this this is it.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
This is perfect. Loved it.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And they started sharing this sauce with other people and
everybody loved this weird fermented sauce with all these bizarre ingredients. Well,
those pharmacists were named John Wheeley Lee and William Henry
Parns Lee and parents, and their pharmacy was in Worcester, England,
(45:34):
and they started marketing this sauce in eighteen thirty seven
called Worcester Sauce. I know that some people look at
how it's spelled and they think it's called worcester Shire sauce,
but no, it's pronounced Worcester Sauce. And this thing became
a huge hit and to this day is a huge
best seller. I actually have a bottle in my hands
(45:57):
right now. I have a refrig here in my studio.
During the break, I took this bottle of lean parents
out the original Worcester sauce, and you don't have to
refrigerate it. I like it cold though, and it does
hold the flavors longer if it's cold. And what's interesting,
I love Worcester sauce. And when you when you take
(46:19):
I put a little bit of it in a shot
glass here. I'm going to do it right now. When
you put a little bit of it in a shot
glass and just taste it alone. Okay, oh man, it's good.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
You can Actually I I can taste the anchovies in
there now that I know that. Maybe it's just my imagination,
but once you know what the ingredients are, you kind
of taste all that now. Actually, nobody knows the exact
recipe because you know, I mentioned like there are other
spices and stuff. It's one of those things where, like
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to this day, the Lean Parents Company, the original Worcester
Sauce Company, they keep their actual hardcore recipe a secret,
like like a couple of people know it. It's one
of those things that's written down, put into a vault
somewhere because it's like the herbs and spices.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
But they say that here's what's what really makes Worcester
Sauce so mysterious and so wonderful that that it's is
like the only thing that hits all the five basic
taste sensations. Umami, salty, sour, sweet, and bitter. Umami is
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savory salty provided by the anchovies, sour tangy from the vinegar,
and tamarin sweet from the molasses and sugar, a little
bitter and spicy from some of those spices and some
of the peppers, and so this is considered like this
sea ingredient that chefs will often use because they know
if they put a few dashes of this in there,
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no matter what they're fixing, it's going to hit the
note somewhere in your mouth that you like because it
hits all five basic taste sensations. And one of the
strangest things about it is the number one country on
this earth that uses the most.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
You think you'd be England.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
No, it's El Salvador, they say. They put they consume
more Worcester sauce than anywhere else in the world. Why
I've looked it up. I can't find out why. They say, Well,
it just seems to fit very nicely into the seafood
and complementing a lot of the shell fish and stuff
(48:45):
that they love to eat there. All right, folks, we're
out of time. Here is the good Fortune tone. That's
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