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July 1, 2026 12 mins

Those are three words you probably never thought you’d see together. And the true story is just as interesting as it sounds.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's Chuck.
Jerry's here too. She's just sound mute and she's sitting
in for Dave, who's not here. And this is short stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's right about the Toronto clown riot.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
That was dead on Toronto, that was.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Supposed to be a clown horn. It sounded like a
sick mule in my head. It was kind of come
out better and I thought about doing a second take,
but who cares, Let's leave it in there.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
It was a sick mule doing the disco call wow.
And we also called a lot of information from the
Toronto Star, Spacing magazine, specifically Adam Bunch on Spacing magazine,
and the Circus Diaries.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's right, the sexiest mini series.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Red Shoe Circus Diaries.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
But we are talking about one of our towns that
we love a lot, Toronto, and we are coming back
there to Massey Hall, by the way, as part of
our Nadian tour. We always love Massy Holl in particular
and playing to our friends there. I think that I
think our very first live show ever was in Toronto, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I think it was actually, yeah, our Bars episode good
Call Chuck, that was our first one.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's right. That's what gave us the taste.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Everybody h the taste of Toronto.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
And also i've spoken to Chuck everybody. He's promised to
do like ninety percent less. Gordon Lightfoot chokes this time.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
But we need to hop in the way back machine
for this one, because we're going back to eighteen fifty
five when Toronto was a different place. It's not the
it wasn't the metropolitan kind of refined big city that
it is now.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
It was. It was tough.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It had like three hundred and fifty two drinking establishments
for the forty thousand people. There had a lot of brothels,
and they were people that liked to to mix it up.
It seems like back in the day.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
For sure, not just the people at Tronto, but the
people who were in circuses too like to mix it up.
And specifically, in July eighteen fifty five, when our event
takes place, the SB House Star Troop in Menagerie and
circus was in town, and that circus was from New
York State and they showed up in Toronto. They set

(02:23):
up their tents and said, hey, everybody come see. And
of course since there's a circus, even in eighteen fifty
five circus, there were a bunch of clowns there. Chuck
and these clowns. They had a long day of performing
and they said, let's go to a local brothel. And
they did as a group.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
They said, let's go get drunk and doing other things
you can do with brothels. And they went to Mariann
Armstrong's brothel. It's a corner of King and John Streets,
and this happened to be a brothel where that was
kind of the main hangout of the Hook and Ladder
fire brigade. So we need to explain a couple of
things about these two groups. The clowns at the time

(03:05):
are not the lovable psychopaths that we have now in
our circuses. They were, you know, they were kind of
the road crew as well as clowns. So they had
to put up these big tents, break everything down, get
all the gear in place. So they were they were brawny,
like big dudes and the firefighters of the day in
Toronto at least, and I bet they were like this

(03:27):
in a.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Lot of places.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
It was before the city government had, you know, was
in charge of that kind of thing. So you had
private fire departments and private companies that you know, build
for their services, like we'll put out your fire for
this amount of money. So you have fire private fire
companies like racing to fires to get there first. And
there were several instances of them arriving at the same
time and like fighting one another to put out the

(03:50):
fire while the fire's burning.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, several instances. One as recent as just a couple
of weeks before that Hook and Land Company who called
Marianne Armstrong's house they'll repute their hangout. They showed up
to one and there was already another company there and
they got into a fight and a riot broke out, right,
So there was a firefighter riot at a burning house.
The firefighters all decided instead of putting the house out,

(04:14):
they let it burn and looted the houses around it.
It was that kind of riot. These are the firefighters
in Toronto at the time, right, So by the time
this Toronto clown riot happens, the Hook and Ladder Company
has already been in one riot within the last few weeks,
and I guess they were itching for another one or something.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, So they were there and they were hanging out
and they were drinking, and the clowns show up and
they're ready to do their thing. And pretty much everyone's
account is the same is that the clown started it.
I didn't see anything that said that the firefighters did.
So it was either like clowns cutting in line or
there was a clown that knocked. This all sounds very funny,

(04:54):
by the way, even as it's coming out of my mouth,
or a clown knocked the firefighters had off and are
and all of a sudden, a big brawl breaks out,
and maybe we should take a break there and tell
everybody who won right after.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
This, okay, and things.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Like jumping job, I'll tell you who won, Chuck. The
clowns won, you know it. I don't think anybody disputes that.
Because one firefighter was seriously injured and so he was

(05:48):
kind of removed from the brothel, and as his fellow
firefighters were dragging him off, they all retreated as well.
So the clowns were like, okay, great, well we're here now,
so they just joy the rest of the night there, right,
that's right. The problem was is that the city of
Toronto at the time was run and was for like

(06:09):
one hundred plus years by an Irish Protestant group called
the Orange Order. It was kind of like a fraternal order,
and if you wanted to be an elected official, a cop,
a firefighter, if you wanted a government job, you basically
had to be an Orange Man a member of the Order.
And the Hook and latter Company were all Orangemen, which
meant they were deeply connected to a lot of other

(06:30):
people they called brothers in town. And the clowns had
just stepped in a big time.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Yeah, this has got to be from Syracuse University's Orangemen.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It's got to be related, right.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I meant to look that up, but as soon as
I saw Orangemen, I was like, wait a minute, Syracuse,
So I imagine that came from the same Irish Protestant order.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
That would be a weird coincidence. How many Orangemen are there?
After all?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Well, they grow a lot of oranges in Syracuse, so
maybe that's.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Okay, that's probably it.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Gentle Winter's there, good for the fruit. So word spreads
about what happens at this fight, and the next day
a bunch of mad Orange Men show up and they're like,
we're gonna we're gonna kick the fun out of these clowns.
They started attacking the circus basically, and it got really

(07:23):
out of hand.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, it did get out of hand. They were throwing rocks,
they were beating up the clowns, and the crowd just
kept growing and growing. And so this not just the clowns,
but the entire circus was overwhelmed. Then the Hook and
Ladder Company, who had been in the fight the day
before with the clowns, they showed up and rather than
put out any fires, they actually started fires. They started

(07:45):
burning down the tents. They had fire axes which they
used to break up the property of the circus. They
like everybody kind of dragged the circus performers wagons down
to this lakeside and tipped them over. Yeah, it was
a bad jam for sure.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, so the circus is in big trouble at this point.
So they're like, you know, thank god, the police. The
police show up, but they were also corrupt because they
were also orange men, orange people, or at least the
chief was, and I bet a lot of the cops were.
Mayor Quimby finally steps in and calms everything down. He

(08:23):
arrives on the scene, and this is I love this
because this is totally made up lore, but I've got
to read it anyway. He said to have grabbed the
axe out of the hand of a rioter midswing as
he was about to bring.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It down upon a clown.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
The mayor's office put that out the next day.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
For sure. He was shirtless too when he did it.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
The police chief, who, like you said, was an orangeman
and was very corrupt. He is supposedly credited with saving
the animals, or keeping the rioters from harming the animals,
which yeah, really the elephants. It's a big mark in favor. Frankly, no,
for sure. Aside from that though, the police just sat
on their hands. They purposefully did not intervene. Right. Eventually

(09:04):
this riot what became known as the Toronto clown Riot
or the Toronto circus Riot. I prefer clown riot, what
about you.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, that sounds that's the better band name, so that's
what I'll go with.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Sure, it eventually settled down. The mob dispersed and the
circus people came back and grabbed their things and they
high tailed it out of town. They were like, we're
going to Ottawa. This place is way too hot for us.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Now, I'm thinking, though, you can't use Toronto Clown Riot
as a band name because once insane clown Posse did
that that. You just can't even come close to touching
that word. Could you get a band name, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Could you use it as like an album date?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Maybe, but I don't know who wants to be associated
with the Juggalos.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know, I know some Jugglos or former Juggalos. They're
good people. Oh yeah, all right, I'm going to stand
up for him. Sure, look at.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
You going to beat for the Juggalos.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I feel like Aaron Cooper has done.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
We talked about Juggles before, and I believe there are
pictures of us as Juggalos if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, for sure, I think from our Magnets episode. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, that sounds right, So Chuck.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Okay, Obviously the whole thing settles down, everybody gets level
headed again, and justice prevails.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see, We'll let the audience decide. Seventeen
people were charged with rioting. It was basically because of
the corruption that there wasn't a big widespread dragnet over
this whole thing, but the one you know, it took
a while, but the one good thing that came out
of this was it was kind of the last straw
for the people of Toronto with like these corrupt Orangemen

(10:42):
kind of running everything. It was kind of like the
you know New York City's Tammany, right, Yeah, And they
were like, we're we're not going to handle this anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
We can't be like New York.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And so the Reform Party comes into power and the
idea of reform is top of mind. It took about
one hundred and years to kind of get the Orange
men completely out of the picture.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
That's kind of the weird part.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, Adam Bunch In that Spacing magazine article, he says,
though the he points to the clown riot as like
the turning point that eventually became the foundation for the
modern less corrupt and less orange I guess police force
and turn I'm going.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
To look and see when I'm there, when I'm walking around,
which is I'd love to do that one in there.
I'm going to see if I see any like orangeman
stuff anywhere.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, you want, you know, how you find out somebody's
an orangeman? You should walk up to a cop and
what you do is you hold out your hand like
you're gonna shake it. And then the orange man handshake
is when the cop goes to grab your hand to
shake it, you take it away and smooth the side
of your hair, and he or she will do the
same thing. Just watch.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Oh okay, I thought you would go up to them
and squeeze their skin like you were popping a zet
to see if any orange essential oil comes out.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
That works too, Yeah, all right, okay, I think short
stuff is.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
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