What does it take to become a beloved radio personality who has shaped the sound of American music for generations? Join host Buzz Knight on this episode of takin' a walk as he welcomes the legendary Bruce Morrow, affectionately known as Cousin Brucie, to explore his remarkable journey through the world of music and radio. As they stroll down memory lane, Brucie shares captivating anecdotes from his illustrious career, including the moment he adopted his iconic moniker in the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.
Buzz Knight, a passionate advocate for music history, dives deep into Brucie's experiences during the transformative era of the 1960s, when the Beatles and the British Invasion forever altered the landscape of rock music. Together, they reflect on the communal experience of listening to music during this golden age, a time when radio served as the heartbeat of American culture. Throughout their conversation, Brucie emphasizes the importance of connecting personally with audiences, a value that has defined his career and continues to resonate today.
With his enduring passion for music, Cousin Brucie reveals how he maintains a close bond with listeners worldwide, embodying the warmth and familiarity that made him a household name. As they walk, listeners will gain insights into the evolution of radio and the cultural impact of music, highlighting how these elements shape our collective experience. Buzz Knight's takin' a walk podcast not only celebrates the legacy of legendary musicians but also delves into the stories behind albums and the songwriting journeys that have inspired countless artists.
As the episode draws to a close, Brucie shares his thoughts on the power of music and community, leaving listeners with a sense of nostalgia for the rock and roll stories that have defined their lives. This engaging conversation serves as a reminder of the emotional healing that music can provide, making it a must-listen for fans of music history, classic rock, and the stories that shape our favorite tunes. Tune in to this episode of takin' a walk with Buzz Knight and Cousin Brucie for a stroll through the vibrant landscape of American music and the enduring legacy of a true icon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Taking a Walk.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm buzznight and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast,
where we stroll down memory lane with the voices that
shaped our lives. Sometimes that's a musician, and sometimes, because
of my past, that's a radio person. As a lover
of radio, this gentleman was definitely part of my past.
Today I'm taking a walk. A man whose voice didn't
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just fill the airwaves, it became the soundtrack of an
entire generation from WABC to WCBSFM in New York City.
He's been the cousin we all wish we had, spinning
records and stories. With that unmistakable enthusiasm, he introduced us
to the Beatles, danced through the British Invasion, and kept
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rock and roll alive through every decade since. Coming up next,
ladies and gentlemen, the one and only cousin Bruce Bruce
Marrow on the Taking a Walk Podcast. Taking a Walk,
Cousin Brucie, Welcome to Taking a Walk, sir. It's an
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honor and thrill from me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I wouldn't mind a personal walk right now. It's getting
a little cold out.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, thank you, thank you for being on so so
if if you could take a walk with somebody, who
would you take a walk with? Use your imagination, there's
no right or wrong answer, and go wild.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
My very first one came right to my mind. My
very first one my wife, my Jody. Jody is my
dearest and my best friend. Now, if I had to
go another step, i'd probably pick who would I pick?
Let's see, that's a very interesting question. I think. I
think Paul McCartney would be one of them, and Leslie
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Gore would be another, and Ronnie Spector. You know, it
was funny as you gave that question a very question.
No one's ever asked me that before, uh, you start
thinking about people that you're lost. Obviously, if I had
a name an historic person, I probably want to talk
to Benjamin Franklin. I'd want to know about that kite
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with the key on it, if that's true. You know,
But that's a very interstinct question. That's something I think.
It's like the genie in the bottle. You have three
wishes you used too, I'd be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, the answers go all over the place, for sure.
So that's what's wonderful about.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Why number one, without any any question.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'll make sure that she knows that you said that.
So you can stay out of hot water with Jody.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I can use a lubble.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, tell me how you became cousin. Tell me the
origin of cousin.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's kind of a fun story that I love to tell.
It actually happened in the Brooklyn Battery tuttle right. My name,
of course is of Course, but it's Bruce Morrel. Most
people think my last name is Brucey, you know, with
cousin Brucy. I was in the Brooklyn Battery tunnel going home.
We lived in Brooklyn at that time. In the middle
of the tunnel, I saw this was very strange, but
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this is how things happen in life. I saw a
flower growing out, a little daisy or something, yellow flower
growing out of the wall of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.
I didn't think it was any significance. And then suddenly
I heard a chime and it said, cousin, cousin, Brucey,
drive carefully, cousin cousin. And I didn't think anything of
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I just thought, you know, it's just some silly daydream
or something. And I drove home, and that evening, in
my dreams, I had this voice come back again cousin Brucey. Well,
needless to say. The next morning and I got on
the phone with the program director. I said, you know,
from how on I got a little message. I think
I want to be called cousin Brucey. And he said
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to me, and I almost quote, are you out of
your dash dash mind? That is theest thing I've ever
heard my life, she said. Son. I was like, what,
I'm not twenty some odd years old, said son, this
is the big Apple. This is not cheese Quake or Morgantown,
West Virginia. This is New York City. That is the
stupidest thing I've ever heard. I said, you know, mister Leeds,
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we all love our cousins. We all want to go
to our cousins house and be with our aunts and uncle.
They give us the best treats and best food and toys.
Let me try it. So he gave some thought from
the phone, and he said, oh, come in and see me.
I went and see him to day and he said,
some you can try it tonight, but don't overdo it,
because if you overdo it and you get in trouble
for that corn, I'm going to fire you. And I
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was scared if I don't know what, fireman. I thought
maybe you would hit me or something. And uh, well,
that night, you know you don't tell a kid from
Brooklyn to try something. If I decided I'm going to
do it, I'm doing full speed ahead right put up
the power. That night I went on. I guess every
other word was cousin. I mean I cousined them here,
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I cousined them there. I shoved that word and everywhere. Well,
the next morning, buzz here we go. I get a
call at six a m. And he said to me,
the program director, Bruce, get your blah blah blah in.
I don't even say those words though today it's very
very mild. Get in here right now. I said them. Well,
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and I got scared. I called my father because I
thought I was going to go and I'm gonna get
fired and he's gonna smack me or something hit me.
I didn't know. My dad went in with me, and
I'll try to make this little shorter now. My dad
went in and said, mister Lee's what's the problem. He says,
your son. I told him last night not to overdo it,
and he overdid it. I'm letting I'm going to fire him.
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So my father said, well, why, he says, I want
you to see something. He opens the door to his
desk and he pulls out hundreds of Western Union teleguins,
remember Western Union of almost many recurses before the Internet,
and he throws these yellow pieces of paper off the desk.
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So my father, being a very astute street guy from
the East New York, said, well, seems to me that's
a pretty good response. Why would you want to fire him?
I'd hire him. So she said, I'm firing, but I'm
putting him under a ten year contract. The response was overwhelming.
People liked it. You know, people want familiarity. I have
a was, I have a saying, an expression. Familiarity breeds content,
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and it really does. I found that out. And people
want to hear somebody that's familiar with or a comfortable
with times of dures, times of national disaster, international disaster,
personal problems very important. They want somebody to feel comfortable with.
And they say, you know, this is family. So my
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whole adage, my whole belief and what I do is
personal family audience. Technology comes out after that, and I
come after that somewhere like that. So I learned how
to become a cousin. I learned how to become very
very personal with people. So when I go on the air,
cousin buds like, I'm talking to you one on one
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right now. There might be a lot of people. There
are a lot of people listening all over the world
now because technology has changed everything. I am talking to
one person. I learned that a long time ago. I
might be talking to two or three million, but I'm
talking to one person. And that's how my whole belief,
my whole follow through what my career is going, and
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to this day, that's what I practice.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's an important lesson for those listening, who might be podcasters,
might be musicians, might be radio people. You just touched
on a very important part of communicating and engaging with
an audience, which is not an easy thing, as you know,
no it is not.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's very difficult. That's one of the big lessons to learn,
which I learned when I first thought of my care
in Bermuda. I learned that, you know, the microphone is
an instrument, but what's out there is human flesh and blood,
and you have to be aware of the audience. You know,
I get on the air, I'm interviewed many times during
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the week, and a lot of the people that interview
me are reading notes, and I'm right away, I'm thinking, no,
this is not good, and it's not you and I
are talking one on one, and it's just very natural.
When you start reading notes, you're not listening. You're reading
your next question. What am I going to ask them next? Well?
What am I? And you're not listening to what the
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person you're interviewing is saying. And when I'm on the
air with my cousins who call me in for Elvis
or call me in for Bruno Mars or whatever they're
calling me in for, they're asking questions and they're feeling,
they're feeling something, they want a response. And if you
don't listen, you start getting involved with other things. You're
not doing your job.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Amen into that. So you brought up Bermuda, and I
know Bermuda played a central role in your beginning certainly,
and it wasn't necessarily pretty that whole story.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I know I went through some heca I don't know
if you've ever seen my first book, my sort of
a semi autobiography. I say suddenly because I had a
writer with me, Lore Baudo, and we wrote about my
early days. I wish I released it now, was published
too fast. I got over there. I didn't know I was,
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you know, a young kid. I don't know who I was.
I was very young, never was away from home before
it was, and I was very inexperienced, inexperienced on the air,
but very different than anybody else. So I got on
and he used to call me the Hammer in Bermuda,
and I spent a year there. They called me the
hammer because I talked like the music, and I helped
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bring rock and roll music to that once very quiet island.
I sort of disturbed the flora in the form over
there about music.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I talked very fast and got involved with the local listeners,
and I got very involved. I've had two involved at
other time. That beautiful island was a little different. They
didn't they didn't recognize certain ethnicities. And I did a
show at a church, black church that burned down. I
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wanted to raise some money for them, and by that
time I had some Bruce Power wasn't Bruce yet Bruce Power,
and I raised some money for them, and then I
was invited to leave the island very quickly because they
weren't happy with what I did. Well, I left, and
that day at the airport, a lot of people came
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down from that church to see me off. I learned
a good lesson in life, right, always do what you
believe in, no matter what the consequences were. And I
think that experience really awakened me. You know, growing up
in New York were very how do I say it, protected,
We have a suit of armor around us. We don't
realize what's happening in the real world. Well, I found
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out very quickly. I found out quickly. I found out
about my religion. I found out about the block situation
that I already read about in the newspapers, and real
isn't really wasn't real, so Bermido. Besides teaching me radio
what you did and television those days, very early television,
I learned this great lesson do what thou hat'st to
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do and don't let anybody stop you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's tremendous. I recently recorded a segment for one of
our podcasts with Darryl run dmc McDaniels, who is a
big fan of yours and certainly a big fan as
he was growing up of WABC. He talks about that often.
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So I have a question from Daryl for you, He said,
Ask Brucey, what was the best thing about him having
access to all those artists and bands and being able
to be the one to share the music with everybody
on a daily basis.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, i'd right away soon as you would. I'm listening
to what you're saying, and I think the word eclecticism
came into my mind right, being eclectic allowed by the suits,
the guys upstairs, the bean counters, you know. And I'm
not being too nasty with him because I was one too.
I owned any radio stations that allowed me freedom of choice,
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freedom to select, freedom to produce and perform the way
I see fit, doing what I want to do, and
saying what I want to do. Now, Buzz, this was
not always the case. We went through, as you remember,
a pretty tough time in our business called the Payelo scandals. Now,
during that terrible time when we were accused and at
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least of taking commercial bribery, which probably every industry in
the world has some sort of commercial bribery to this day,
we were accused of doing that. So the executives took
the freedoms away. We had music meetings and the music
meetings were farce anyhow, because they picked all the records
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for us to vote on them. So that was ridiculous.
So I lost my time of freedom for a while,
and that not only affected my audience, it did because
I wasn't allowed to discover in those days new bands,
because today is you know, I rely upon music of
the fifties, sixties, and a touch of the seventies, like
I say in the air, and that's what I love.
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I love that music because I believe those three decades
are the best decades of the development of contemporary music,
rock and roll and to this day. So we lost
that freedom for a while. It was a very tough time.
And of course the politicians loved it. They got headlines
and one was easier than going after people that are
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on the air, that are in the public light. The
newspapers loved it. That sold a lot of newspapers, that
got them good advertising. So it was an unfair time
because they went after us unfairly. Was it justified? Oh yeah,
I mean I was a kid, now, I was very lucky.
Cousin buzz. I was very lucky because I was too
young to really get involved. Might I have gotten involved
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in payola. Very possibly everybody was. It was one of
those things. I saw crates of booze, I saw television sets,
I saw a car delivered to somebody, and I have
all these memories and I have names, and I saw
this happening, but I didn't understand that I was too
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young to get involved. And also I was brought up
not to cheat. And I really believe that in those days. Now,
a little bit helps. It's like a little salt and
pepper once in a while, you know, look the other way,
but you know nothing that can hurt anybody. I took
paola once. I'm going to admit it to you. I
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took two cherry pies. There was a record promoter whose
mother was a baker, and he said, gee, i'd love
you to play my record. Here. My mother sent you
two cherry pies. I want to I know, I said,
I love cherry pies. It's one of my favorites. I
took the cherry pies that I play the record. Oh yeah, hey,
he gave me cherry pies. I didn't think of cherryola
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or anything like that. So that was my one guilty moment,
and I still remember that. But the thing is, I
remember all these things, and as far as I can say,
if I had the power, I would never let it
out happen again. I think music, as in any industry,
it has to be deserved for going on the air
or being produced, and you have to vet something, you
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have to look at something very carefully. To day was
take what I do extremely seriously. When I go on
the air. Oh, I'm silly once in a while, I
have a good time. I never get blue. I get
a little lauding once in a while. But the main
thing is I am aware of my audience and I
know what they need. I feel them because when I
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talk on the air, I'm talking to you, I know,
cousin Bu's and that's what it is. I'm talking to
an individual. You know. There was an old story years ago.
I remember some professor or somebody was asked, how do
you not get nervous on the in front of an audience?
How do you get used to that? He said to them,
concentrate on one person in the audience. Make believe they're naked. Right.
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It worked. So I don't think my wand is naked.
I'm sure they're woring underware. Let's to be but very
funny adage, and if you think about it, it works.
You know, concentrate on the audience, concentrate on a person.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
We'll be right back with more that Taking a whalle podcast.
Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You were at the epicenter when the Beatles landed in America.
What was it like being in the room when that happened?
Literally introducing rock and roll history, music history as it unfolded.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, it was a very wonderful time at a
very lucky time for the American music industry. In those days,
the American music industry was getting home a little tired,
a little tired. We're doing the same thing. You know,
there's an adage, I guess in corporate America, if it
ain't broked, don't fixed it. If they ain't broke, don't
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fix it. They never fixed it. So you know, we're
playing the same stuff and over and over. You gets
them once in a while as a bright light of sunshine,
but generally it was getting tired. And here overseas a
couple of the four guys are causing and causing wildness
all everywhere. And I started getting new records. I think
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it was on swam Records, Swan Records and VJ and
it was a group called the Beatles, and then I
started getting other British groups, so a little by the
but the Beatles took the spotlight, and in our music meetings,
I remember it was that how can these outdare they,
these British upstarts take our Chuck Berry and our Jerry
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day Lewis and our Everly Brothers and our four Seasons
had emulate them. Well, we didn't realize till a little
while later that they were saving the music industry, our
music industry and enhancing theirs. Well, we started playing it,
and of course, the the reaction was immediately. I'll give
you a cute story. One of your stories is kind
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of cute. I'll show you the reaction of an audience
to the Beatles when they first started coming over a
pan and am flight one oh one. Remember when McCartney
looked down to the street and said, Charlton, I don't
see any diamonds in the streets, like that kind of thing,
because they were coming over and he you know, I
think they're referring to the sidewalks. The cement that shined
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a little bit because I had silicone in it. I
mean he looked for diamonds. They were coming over and
I used to get phone calls. We started playing their
music for the early music on one Old You and
Please Please Me and things like that, and it hit
right away. People started listening to us. Here's here's the guy.
Two weeks before the arrival of the Beatles, this guy
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would call me. His name was John, Hey, Brucie. Hey,
how you doing man? I'm John from the Bronx. I'll
live on the Grand Concourse. When you play a record
for mcgoyle, my name is Susie. Sweet Susie. Play something
by Jerry Lee Lewis. Well you thanks, man, you're you're
the ginshiest guy. All right, that's two weeks, two weeks
past buzz, two weeks. The Beatles are all over the place.
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You couldn't go anywhere without seeing a picture. Sure if
John Paul Georgia Ringo, that same man calls me, that
same young man calls me John, and this is me
on the phone with John, And this is what he
sounds like. Hello, this is cousin Brucey. He says, hello,
This is so John of the Bronxshire, of the Grand
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Concourse Shire. Would you play a record for me and
me bird. Her name is a lady Sue's Sunshine, and
I'd like to hear a record by the Beatles. Thank
you very much, your lordship, talk top h Now you're laughing,
but this is very close to what happened. Everybody decided
they were anglophiles. Everybody adopted the British accent, although if
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you listen to the Beatles, the early Beatle records, you
don't hear an accent. Very strange. When music comes around,
you can lose an excit. And it happened. But everybody
wanted to wear their hair the way they're wearing it.
They dressed like them, they spoke like them, they them,
and of course they sounded like them. And the Beatles
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were here and it was the start of this revolution.
It was going to change the whole world, and it
was changing it for positive meanings. Because what we were
in deep trouble. We had assassinations our president Martin Luther King.
Racial violence was much worse than it is now. It's
not over, but you know, we're still. It was much
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much better. Politically, we were starting to realize what's going on,
and the youth movement was really starting the youth movement
realized they had such great power, and I think we
owe that really to the Enlightenment and not only the Beatles,
but that whole we call British invasion. And it was
a good time. It was a wonderful time and affected
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what I was playing.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was an amazing time. I was listening to you
during that period and just fascinated by the magic of WABC,
the lightning in a bottle that wa BC had. I
remember it was an event that you all created and
covered because it was such a moment of importance. What
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made in your opinion, that era so magical? And it
was really communal experience listening, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes? Absolutely? And I think the word communal is excellent
because I use the word well, getting together, community, communal, community,
I use that all the time. I believe my audience
is a community. I am part of that community. So
that's when it really started. We became a community. We
had something to latch our thinking on, and listening to
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the Beatles gave us that, and then of course the
Stones came in Hermit's Hermit's and Dave clock five and
the kinkson on and on and on, which I still
played at this very day, you know, was at one
time I forgot whish I should remember the date, but
I do not. The Beatles had they garnered the top
five songs in a roll and billboard one, two, three,
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four or five in a row, and everything else went down.
Everything else went down. They established a huge beachfront, and
then everybody followed them. It was a very essential time
in my development, in the audience's development. The audience now
had something to listen to and to emulate and to
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enjoy very much. He gave us the time to smile again.
We weren't smiling too much in those days. It was
a very serious time, very serious time, and here was
a glimmer, a glimmer of hope. And it worked. It's
still working. We're still getting we're still getting benefits from it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Who we certainly are besides listening to you and that
entire great radio station. During that period, I would get
to listen to this gentleman by the name of Scott Muni,
and then I would get the chance to work with
Scott Muni as a work part time at WAWFM when
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he had gone over there. Talk about your memories of
Scott Muni.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, We worked together for many years on WABC, and
he was a good looking guy, a young guy. I
remember the women loved him right and he had that
gravelly voice. I guess most of the panels of the
womenfl was very sexy. It was a very nice guy
who took his music very seriously. And then eventually little
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things change on our business and he moved to another
radio station which was a little more I guess on
the adult side, we were Top forty. WNEW sort of
borrowed many things. Think everybody borrowed from Top forty. After
a while, the whole FM syndrome, which was where FM
there Top forty, the kids stations that didn't last too
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long because they realized ordered to get a listenership and
therefore get sponsorship, they had to borrow a little bit
from somebody that had something that showed success, and it
was called Top forty radio. So all these FM stations,
these snutty, those in the air FFF stations, I start
a little by little putting some Top forty gizmos and
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gadgets in what they were doing, and it worked. There
was a nice, nice meeting of melding of what we
were all doing. And that's where radio was going. But
it was a good time. Scary time for me because
I saw that AM radio was going to be at
that time in trouble that there was this new molon
for bread in town called FM, which was not new,
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which has roots back to the thirties. And he could
look history wise and see when FM was developed. It
just stopped because of World War II. The military took
over those frequencies. But it was a good thing that happened.
Was moving on, moving on and connecting and combining this thing,
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making this new community. And here we are today and
I'm still doing it. A gentleman, giant named John Casta
Mattitis his kind of interesting story. When I was on
Serious Act, I was on Serious for many, many years,
enjoying it. It was this new medium, satellite radio, and I
was reaching all over the country and it was kind
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of fun and I had my freedom once again. And
every Saturday I was on the air this time, I
think four or five times a week. And every Saturday,
this gentleman would call me from his car with his wife.
He said his name was John, his wife was Margo.
I didn't know who they were, and they would request songs,
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you know, very honestly, they were really nice, nice to
be I played the songs for him. Oh maybe a
year passes by and somebody gets on the phone and
he says, by the way, you know that man that
calls you almost every Saturday, John something or I said yeah,
he said, well, he just bought WABC. I said what, Yeah,
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this is what happened. I said, what do you mean
he bought WABS? How do you buy? How does a
man buy WABC? Which was like, you know, cornerstone, the
historic block of broadcasting. And he voted sure enough, And
within a couple of days I get a call from
John Costomer Tini's. He wants to talk to me, and
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little being a long story short, I'm still with him,
and he just offered me my well, I just signed
another contract. He offered me a contract till I was
one hundred and forty. I love it. I love it,
I explained to it. I don't think that's gonna happen.
You're gonna be have him wheeling me in on a
wheelbarrow with some dust. I said, I think let's go
a few years at a time.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I love it so Cousin Bruci, the last question for you,
you clearly love what you do. To this day, you
have the passion and an enthusiasm of somebody who is
a teenager starting out. Tell me what is the secret
sauce to that passion and enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I love what I do. It's like you do. I
look forward to getting it on my microphone, which is
sitting right here at my desk. I can't wait to
talk to my cousins. And I know it sounds corty,
my cousin, but it's not. I have an innate love
for the music. This is the music I grew up with.
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The music is my family. I'm very careful what I select,
and I'm very careful what my audience selects. I we
get a lot of phone calls, and we're now reaching
the globe, you know, as you know, we're streaming and
I'm a morning show in Tokyo. I got all cons
a letter I got Tokyo, I mean amazing, and they're
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all requesting our genre of music. Huh. So this love continues,
and as I get older, i'd fall more in love
my passion. But passion grows and it's fun, but it's
a light passion. It's nice, it's friendly, and I get
on my microphone, which is almost my personal telephone, and
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I talk to my friend. Friend is friends out there,
but I talk to my friend, so that continues. I'm
very lucky I have that in me. I have that
in me. It's in my soul and my heart, and
I just go on with this romance and don't never
stop until I stop. And if I stop, I'm going
to have a microphone with me because I won't stop.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Cousin Brucie, I love you for everything that you continue
to give us, everything that you've given me as one
of your money year listeners. I'm fortunate that I took
that passion of listening to you and turned it into
a career, and I'm grateful for everything that you continue
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Cousin Well, Cousin buzz, I am thrilled there are people
like you that love radio the way I do. And
because without guys like you, this would not be possible.
It's possible because the love is out there. I can
feel this community. Thank you so much for all those
wonderful questions and I love visiting with you.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
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Taking a Walk.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I'm buzznight and welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast,
where we stroll down memory lane with the voices that
shaped our lives. Sometimes that's a musician, and sometimes, because
of my past, that's a radio person. As a lover
of radio, this gentleman was definitely part of my past.
Today I'm taking a walk. A man whose voice didn't
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just fill the airwaves, it became the soundtrack of an
entire generation from WABC to WCBSFM in New York City.
He's been the cousin we all wish we had, spinning
records and stories. With that unmistakable enthusiasm, he introduced us
to the Beatles, danced through the British Invasion, and kept
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rock and roll alive through every decade since. Coming up next,
ladies and gentlemen, the one and only cousin Bruce Bruce
Marrow on the Taking a Walk Podcast. Taking a Walk,
Cousin Brucie, Welcome to Taking a Walk, sir. It's an
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honor and thrill from me.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I wouldn't mind a personal walk right now. It's getting
a little cold out.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, thank you, thank you for being on so so
if if you could take a walk with somebody, who
would you take a walk with? Use your imagination, there's
no right or wrong answer, and go wild.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
My very first one came right to my mind. My
very first one my wife, my Jody. Jody is my
dearest and my best friend. Now, if I had to
go another step, i'd probably pick who would I pick?
Let's see, that's a very interesting question. I think. I
think Paul McCartney would be one of them, and Leslie
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Gore would be another, and Ronnie Spector. You know, it
was funny as you gave that question a very question.
No one's ever asked me that before, uh, you start
thinking about people that you're lost. Obviously, if I had
a name an historic person, I probably want to talk
to Benjamin Franklin. I'd want to know about that kite
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with the key on it, if that's true. You know,
But that's a very interstinct question. That's something I think.
It's like the genie in the bottle. You have three
wishes you used too, I'd be very careful with that.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, the answers go all over the place, for sure.
So that's what's wonderful about.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Why number one, without any any question.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I'll make sure that she knows that you said that.
So you can stay out of hot water with Jody.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I can use a lubble.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well, tell me how you became cousin. Tell me the
origin of cousin.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
It's kind of a fun story that I love to tell.
It actually happened in the Brooklyn Battery tuttle right. My name,
of course is of Course, but it's Bruce Morrel. Most
people think my last name is Brucey, you know, with
cousin Brucy. I was in the Brooklyn Battery tunnel going home.
We lived in Brooklyn at that time. In the middle
of the tunnel, I saw this was very strange, but
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this is how things happen in life. I saw a
flower growing out, a little daisy or something, yellow flower
growing out of the wall of the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel.
I didn't think it was any significance. And then suddenly
I heard a chime and it said, cousin, cousin, Brucey,
drive carefully, cousin cousin. And I didn't think anything of
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I just thought, you know, it's just some silly daydream
or something. And I drove home, and that evening, in
my dreams, I had this voice come back again cousin Brucey. Well,
needless to say. The next morning and I got on
the phone with the program director. I said, you know,
from how on I got a little message. I think
I want to be called cousin Brucey. And he said
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to me, and I almost quote, are you out of
your dash dash mind? That is theest thing I've ever
heard my life, she said. Son. I was like, what,
I'm not twenty some odd years old, said son, this
is the big Apple. This is not cheese Quake or Morgantown,
West Virginia. This is New York City. That is the
stupidest thing I've ever heard. I said, you know, mister Leeds,
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we all love our cousins. We all want to go
to our cousins house and be with our aunts and uncle.
They give us the best treats and best food and toys.
Let me try it. So he gave some thought from
the phone, and he said, oh, come in and see me.
I went and see him to day and he said,
some you can try it tonight, but don't overdo it,
because if you overdo it and you get in trouble
for that corn, I'm going to fire you. And I
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was scared if I don't know what, fireman. I thought
maybe you would hit me or something. And uh, well,
that night, you know you don't tell a kid from
Brooklyn to try something. If I decided I'm going to
do it, I'm doing full speed ahead right put up
the power. That night I went on. I guess every
other word was cousin. I mean I cousined them here,
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I cousined them there. I shoved that word and everywhere. Well,
the next morning, buzz here we go. I get a
call at six a m. And he said to me,
the program director, Bruce, get your blah blah blah in.
I don't even say those words though today it's very
very mild. Get in here right now. I said them. Well,
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and I got scared. I called my father because I
thought I was going to go and I'm gonna get
fired and he's gonna smack me or something hit me.
I didn't know. My dad went in with me, and
I'll try to make this little shorter now. My dad
went in and said, mister Lee's what's the problem. He says,
your son. I told him last night not to overdo it,
and he overdid it. I'm letting I'm going to fire him.
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So my father said, well, why, he says, I want
you to see something. He opens the door to his
desk and he pulls out hundreds of Western Union teleguins,
remember Western Union of almost many recurses before the Internet,
and he throws these yellow pieces of paper off the desk.
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So my father, being a very astute street guy from
the East New York, said, well, seems to me that's
a pretty good response. Why would you want to fire him?
I'd hire him. So she said, I'm firing, but I'm
putting him under a ten year contract. The response was overwhelming.
People liked it. You know, people want familiarity. I have
a was, I have a saying, an expression. Familiarity breeds content,
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and it really does. I found that out. And people
want to hear somebody that's familiar with or a comfortable
with times of dures, times of national disaster, international disaster,
personal problems very important. They want somebody to feel comfortable with.
And they say, you know, this is family. So my
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whole adage, my whole belief and what I do is
personal family audience. Technology comes out after that, and I
come after that somewhere like that. So I learned how
to become a cousin. I learned how to become very
very personal with people. So when I go on the air,
cousin buds like, I'm talking to you one on one
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right now. There might be a lot of people. There
are a lot of people listening all over the world
now because technology has changed everything. I am talking to
one person. I learned that a long time ago. I
might be talking to two or three million, but I'm
talking to one person. And that's how my whole belief,
my whole follow through what my career is going, and
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to this day, that's what I practice.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's an important lesson for those listening, who might be podcasters,
might be musicians, might be radio people. You just touched
on a very important part of communicating and engaging with
an audience, which is not an easy thing, as you know,
no it is not.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It's very difficult. That's one of the big lessons to learn,
which I learned when I first thought of my care
in Bermuda. I learned that, you know, the microphone is
an instrument, but what's out there is human flesh and blood,
and you have to be aware of the audience. You know,
I get on the air, I'm interviewed many times during
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the week, and a lot of the people that interview
me are reading notes, and I'm right away, I'm thinking, no,
this is not good, and it's not you and I
are talking one on one, and it's just very natural.
When you start reading notes, you're not listening. You're reading
your next question. What am I going to ask them next? Well?
What am I? And you're not listening to what the
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person you're interviewing is saying. And when I'm on the
air with my cousins who call me in for Elvis
or call me in for Bruno Mars or whatever they're
calling me in for, they're asking questions and they're feeling,
they're feeling something, they want a response. And if you
don't listen, you start getting involved with other things. You're
not doing your job.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Amen into that. So you brought up Bermuda, and I
know Bermuda played a central role in your beginning certainly,
and it wasn't necessarily pretty that whole story.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I know I went through some heca I don't know
if you've ever seen my first book, my sort of
a semi autobiography. I say suddenly because I had a
writer with me, Lore Baudo, and we wrote about my
early days. I wish I released it now, was published
too fast. I got over there. I didn't know I was,
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you know, a young kid. I don't know who I was.
I was very young, never was away from home before
it was, and I was very inexperienced, inexperienced on the air,
but very different than anybody else. So I got on
and he used to call me the Hammer in Bermuda,
and I spent a year there. They called me the
hammer because I talked like the music, and I helped
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bring rock and roll music to that once very quiet island.
I sort of disturbed the flora in the form over
there about music.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I talked very fast and got involved with the local listeners,
and I got very involved. I've had two involved at
other time. That beautiful island was a little different. They
didn't they didn't recognize certain ethnicities. And I did a
show at a church, black church that burned down. I
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wanted to raise some money for them, and by that
time I had some Bruce Power wasn't Bruce yet Bruce Power,
and I raised some money for them, and then I
was invited to leave the island very quickly because they
weren't happy with what I did. Well, I left, and
that day at the airport, a lot of people came
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down from that church to see me off. I learned
a good lesson in life, right, always do what you
believe in, no matter what the consequences were. And I
think that experience really awakened me. You know, growing up
in New York were very how do I say it, protected,
We have a suit of armor around us. We don't
realize what's happening in the real world. Well, I found
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out very quickly. I found out quickly. I found out
about my religion. I found out about the block situation
that I already read about in the newspapers, and real
isn't really wasn't real, so Bermido. Besides teaching me radio
what you did and television those days, very early television,
I learned this great lesson do what thou hat'st to
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do and don't let anybody stop you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
That's tremendous. I recently recorded a segment for one of
our podcasts with Darryl run dmc McDaniels, who is a
big fan of yours and certainly a big fan as
he was growing up of WABC. He talks about that often.
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So I have a question from Daryl for you, He said,
Ask Brucey, what was the best thing about him having
access to all those artists and bands and being able
to be the one to share the music with everybody
on a daily basis.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Well, i'd right away soon as you would. I'm listening
to what you're saying, and I think the word eclecticism
came into my mind right, being eclectic allowed by the suits,
the guys upstairs, the bean counters, you know. And I'm
not being too nasty with him because I was one too.
I owned any radio stations that allowed me freedom of choice,
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freedom to select, freedom to produce and perform the way
I see fit, doing what I want to do, and
saying what I want to do. Now, Buzz, this was
not always the case. We went through, as you remember,
a pretty tough time in our business called the Payelo scandals. Now,
during that terrible time when we were accused and at
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least of taking commercial bribery, which probably every industry in
the world has some sort of commercial bribery to this day,
we were accused of doing that. So the executives took
the freedoms away. We had music meetings and the music
meetings were farce anyhow, because they picked all the records
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for us to vote on them. So that was ridiculous.
So I lost my time of freedom for a while,
and that not only affected my audience, it did because
I wasn't allowed to discover in those days new bands,
because today is you know, I rely upon music of
the fifties, sixties, and a touch of the seventies, like
I say in the air, and that's what I love.
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I love that music because I believe those three decades
are the best decades of the development of contemporary music,
rock and roll and to this day. So we lost
that freedom for a while. It was a very tough time.
And of course the politicians loved it. They got headlines
and one was easier than going after people that are
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on the air, that are in the public light. The
newspapers loved it. That sold a lot of newspapers, that
got them good advertising. So it was an unfair time
because they went after us unfairly. Was it justified? Oh yeah,
I mean I was a kid, now, I was very lucky.
Cousin buzz. I was very lucky because I was too
young to really get involved. Might I have gotten involved
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in payola. Very possibly everybody was. It was one of
those things. I saw crates of booze, I saw television sets,
I saw a car delivered to somebody, and I have
all these memories and I have names, and I saw
this happening, but I didn't understand that I was too
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young to get involved. And also I was brought up
not to cheat. And I really believe that in those days. Now,
a little bit helps. It's like a little salt and
pepper once in a while, you know, look the other way,
but you know nothing that can hurt anybody. I took
paola once. I'm going to admit it to you. I
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took two cherry pies. There was a record promoter whose
mother was a baker, and he said, gee, i'd love
you to play my record. Here. My mother sent you
two cherry pies. I want to I know, I said,
I love cherry pies. It's one of my favorites. I
took the cherry pies that I play the record. Oh yeah, hey,
he gave me cherry pies. I didn't think of cherryola
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or anything like that. So that was my one guilty moment,
and I still remember that. But the thing is, I
remember all these things, and as far as I can say,
if I had the power, I would never let it
out happen again. I think music, as in any industry,
it has to be deserved for going on the air
or being produced, and you have to vet something, you
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have to look at something very carefully. To day was
take what I do extremely seriously. When I go on
the air. Oh, I'm silly once in a while, I
have a good time. I never get blue. I get
a little lauding once in a while. But the main
thing is I am aware of my audience and I
know what they need. I feel them because when I
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talk on the air, I'm talking to you, I know,
cousin Bu's and that's what it is. I'm talking to
an individual. You know. There was an old story years ago.
I remember some professor or somebody was asked, how do
you not get nervous on the in front of an audience?
How do you get used to that? He said to them,
concentrate on one person in the audience. Make believe they're naked. Right.
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It worked. So I don't think my wand is naked.
I'm sure they're woring underware. Let's to be but very
funny adage, and if you think about it, it works.
You know, concentrate on the audience, concentrate on a person.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
We'll be right back with more that Taking a whalle podcast.
Welcome back to the Taking a Walk podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You were at the epicenter when the Beatles landed in America.
What was it like being in the room when that happened?
Literally introducing rock and roll history, music history as it unfolded.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, it was a very wonderful time at a
very lucky time for the American music industry. In those days,
the American music industry was getting home a little tired,
a little tired. We're doing the same thing. You know,
there's an adage, I guess in corporate America, if it
ain't broked, don't fixed it. If they ain't broke, don't
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fix it. They never fixed it. So you know, we're
playing the same stuff and over and over. You gets
them once in a while as a bright light of sunshine,
but generally it was getting tired. And here overseas a
couple of the four guys are causing and causing wildness
all everywhere. And I started getting new records. I think
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it was on swam Records, Swan Records and VJ and
it was a group called the Beatles, and then I
started getting other British groups, so a little by the
but the Beatles took the spotlight, and in our music meetings,
I remember it was that how can these outdare they,
these British upstarts take our Chuck Berry and our Jerry
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day Lewis and our Everly Brothers and our four Seasons
had emulate them. Well, we didn't realize till a little
while later that they were saving the music industry, our
music industry and enhancing theirs. Well, we started playing it,
and of course, the the reaction was immediately. I'll give
you a cute story. One of your stories is kind
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of cute. I'll show you the reaction of an audience
to the Beatles when they first started coming over a
pan and am flight one oh one. Remember when McCartney
looked down to the street and said, Charlton, I don't
see any diamonds in the streets, like that kind of thing,
because they were coming over and he you know, I
think they're referring to the sidewalks. The cement that shined
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a little bit because I had silicone in it. I
mean he looked for diamonds. They were coming over and
I used to get phone calls. We started playing their
music for the early music on one Old You and
Please Please Me and things like that, and it hit
right away. People started listening to us. Here's here's the guy.
Two weeks before the arrival of the Beatles, this guy
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would call me. His name was John, Hey, Brucie. Hey,
how you doing man? I'm John from the Bronx. I'll
live on the Grand Concourse. When you play a record
for mcgoyle, my name is Susie. Sweet Susie. Play something
by Jerry Lee Lewis. Well you thanks, man, you're you're
the ginshiest guy. All right, that's two weeks, two weeks
past buzz, two weeks. The Beatles are all over the place.
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You couldn't go anywhere without seeing a picture. Sure if
John Paul Georgia Ringo, that same man calls me, that
same young man calls me John, and this is me
on the phone with John, And this is what he
sounds like. Hello, this is cousin Brucey. He says, hello,
This is so John of the Bronxshire, of the Grand
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Concourse Shire. Would you play a record for me and
me bird. Her name is a lady Sue's Sunshine, and
I'd like to hear a record by the Beatles. Thank
you very much, your lordship, talk top h Now you're laughing,
but this is very close to what happened. Everybody decided
they were anglophiles. Everybody adopted the British accent, although if
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you listen to the Beatles, the early Beatle records, you
don't hear an accent. Very strange. When music comes around,
you can lose an excit. And it happened. But everybody
wanted to wear their hair the way they're wearing it.
They dressed like them, they spoke like them, they them,
and of course they sounded like them. And the Beatles
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were here and it was the start of this revolution.
It was going to change the whole world, and it
was changing it for positive meanings. Because what we were
in deep trouble. We had assassinations our president Martin Luther King.
Racial violence was much worse than it is now. It's
not over, but you know, we're still. It was much
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much better. Politically, we were starting to realize what's going on,
and the youth movement was really starting the youth movement
realized they had such great power, and I think we
owe that really to the Enlightenment and not only the Beatles,
but that whole we call British invasion. And it was
a good time. It was a wonderful time and affected
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what I was playing.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
It was an amazing time. I was listening to you
during that period and just fascinated by the magic of WABC,
the lightning in a bottle that wa BC had. I
remember it was an event that you all created and
covered because it was such a moment of importance. What
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made in your opinion, that era so magical? And it
was really communal experience listening, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yes? Absolutely? And I think the word communal is excellent
because I use the word well, getting together, community, communal, community,
I use that all the time. I believe my audience
is a community. I am part of that community. So
that's when it really started. We became a community. We
had something to latch our thinking on, and listening to
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the Beatles gave us that, and then of course the
Stones came in Hermit's Hermit's and Dave clock five and
the kinkson on and on and on, which I still
played at this very day, you know, was at one
time I forgot whish I should remember the date, but
I do not. The Beatles had they garnered the top
five songs in a roll and billboard one, two, three,
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four or five in a row, and everything else went down.
Everything else went down. They established a huge beachfront, and
then everybody followed them. It was a very essential time
in my development, in the audience's development. The audience now
had something to listen to and to emulate and to
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enjoy very much. He gave us the time to smile again.
We weren't smiling too much in those days. It was
a very serious time, very serious time, and here was
a glimmer, a glimmer of hope. And it worked. It's
still working. We're still getting we're still getting benefits from it.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Who we certainly are besides listening to you and that
entire great radio station. During that period, I would get
to listen to this gentleman by the name of Scott Muni,
and then I would get the chance to work with
Scott Muni as a work part time at WAWFM when
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he had gone over there. Talk about your memories of
Scott Muni.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Well, We worked together for many years on WABC, and
he was a good looking guy, a young guy. I
remember the women loved him right and he had that
gravelly voice. I guess most of the panels of the
womenfl was very sexy. It was a very nice guy
who took his music very seriously. And then eventually little
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things change on our business and he moved to another
radio station which was a little more I guess on
the adult side, we were Top forty. WNEW sort of
borrowed many things. Think everybody borrowed from Top forty. After
a while, the whole FM syndrome, which was where FM
there Top forty, the kids stations that didn't last too
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long because they realized ordered to get a listenership and
therefore get sponsorship, they had to borrow a little bit
from somebody that had something that showed success, and it
was called Top forty radio. So all these FM stations,
these snutty, those in the air FFF stations, I start
a little by little putting some Top forty gizmos and
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gadgets in what they were doing, and it worked. There
was a nice, nice meeting of melding of what we
were all doing. And that's where radio was going. But
it was a good time. Scary time for me because
I saw that AM radio was going to be at
that time in trouble that there was this new molon
for bread in town called FM, which was not new,
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which has roots back to the thirties. And he could
look history wise and see when FM was developed. It
just stopped because of World War II. The military took
over those frequencies. But it was a good thing that happened.
Was moving on, moving on and connecting and combining this thing,
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making this new community. And here we are today and
I'm still doing it. A gentleman, giant named John Casta
Mattitis his kind of interesting story. When I was on
Serious Act, I was on Serious for many, many years,
enjoying it. It was this new medium, satellite radio, and I
was reaching all over the country and it was kind
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of fun and I had my freedom once again. And
every Saturday I was on the air this time, I
think four or five times a week. And every Saturday,
this gentleman would call me from his car with his wife.
He said his name was John, his wife was Margo.
I didn't know who they were, and they would request songs,
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you know, very honestly, they were really nice, nice to
be I played the songs for him. Oh maybe a
year passes by and somebody gets on the phone and
he says, by the way, you know that man that
calls you almost every Saturday, John something or I said yeah,
he said, well, he just bought WABC. I said what, Yeah,
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this is what happened. I said, what do you mean
he bought WABS? How do you buy? How does a
man buy WABC? Which was like, you know, cornerstone, the
historic block of broadcasting. And he voted sure enough, And
within a couple of days I get a call from
John Costomer Tini's. He wants to talk to me, and
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little being a long story short, I'm still with him,
and he just offered me my well, I just signed
another contract. He offered me a contract till I was
one hundred and forty. I love it. I love it,
I explained to it. I don't think that's gonna happen.
You're gonna be have him wheeling me in on a
wheelbarrow with some dust. I said, I think let's go
a few years at a time.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I love it so Cousin Bruci, the last question for you,
you clearly love what you do. To this day, you
have the passion and an enthusiasm of somebody who is
a teenager starting out. Tell me what is the secret
sauce to that passion and enthusiasm.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I love what I do. It's like you do. I
look forward to getting it on my microphone, which is
sitting right here at my desk. I can't wait to
talk to my cousins. And I know it sounds corty,
my cousin, but it's not. I have an innate love
for the music. This is the music I grew up with.
(28:33):
The music is my family. I'm very careful what I select,
and I'm very careful what my audience selects. I we
get a lot of phone calls, and we're now reaching
the globe, you know, as you know, we're streaming and
I'm a morning show in Tokyo. I got all cons
a letter I got Tokyo, I mean amazing, and they're
(28:55):
all requesting our genre of music. Huh. So this love continues,
and as I get older, i'd fall more in love
my passion. But passion grows and it's fun, but it's
a light passion. It's nice, it's friendly, and I get
on my microphone, which is almost my personal telephone, and
(29:18):
I talk to my friend. Friend is friends out there,
but I talk to my friend, so that continues. I'm
very lucky I have that in me. I have that
in me. It's in my soul and my heart, and
I just go on with this romance and don't never
stop until I stop. And if I stop, I'm going
to have a microphone with me because I won't stop.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Cousin Brucie, I love you for everything that you continue
to give us, everything that you've given me as one
of your money year listeners. I'm fortunate that I took
that passion of listening to you and turned it into
a career, and I'm grateful for everything that you continue
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Cousin Well, Cousin buzz, I am thrilled there are people
like you that love radio the way I do. And
because without guys like you, this would not be possible.
It's possible because the love is out there. I can
feel this community. Thank you so much for all those
wonderful questions and I love visiting with you.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
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