Danny Murphy | True Crime, Gossip and Podcasting

Danny Murphy is a versatile media figure, excelling as both a podcaster and comedian. As the host of "Not Another True Crime Podcast," Danny delivers excellent banter on both current and old true crime cases, engaging listeners with his sharp wit and insightful commentary. Additionally, he hosts "Virtual Reali-Tea" for the New York Post, where he covers the latest in celebrity gossip and entertainment news. His ability to connect with guests and listeners alike has garnered him a loyal following, solidifying his reputation as a talented entertainer and insightful commentator. 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:21):
Welcome back to Talking to Death. This week, we have
a very fun guest. A host of a true crime podcast,
Danny Murphy is both a podcaster and a comedian. He's
the host of Not Another True Crime podcast, where he
and his co host banter on both current and old
true crime cases. He also hosts another podcast for The
New York Post called Virtual Realities, where he covers the

(00:44):
latest and celebrity gossip and entertainment news. His ability to
connect with guests and listeners alike has garnered him a
loyal following and solidified his reputation as a talented entertainer
and insightful commentator. This episode is a really fun one
and you don't want to miss it. Let's jump into
it this week. Danny Murphy, I do like to talk

(01:14):
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
You talk so much too, I know, but this is
a fun I'm excitingly.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
The difference is that it exhausts the hell out of me.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
At some point, you do get to that's almost where
like the fun starts, because you start to like lose
your mind a little bit, right, and then when you
forget what you say. Hopefully for the most time, it's great,
but you're you have to be an extrovert. I do
like to be extrovert, yes, okay, but then it gets
to a certain point. But then I have my limit
and then I just immediately calling you, like, I don't
try to push it past to what's that test?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Is the I'm an extroverted introvert? Is what I've just
the I n FP wait or I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
But I feel like every person who takes that test
cats that answer, And I think it's just because you're
probably right, because people are like, no, I like friends,
what I like to sleep?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, I think it was just lazy.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
I know, no exactly, it's just.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like oh, yeah, like I want to do it, but
like I can't because like my personality.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, and then you're flaking on that. Yeah, you're like no,
a doctor told me I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I want to talk to you about why you like
talking about true crime. Why do you like it so much?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I am fascinated? Well, I feel and with my podcast
not on the True Crime Podcast with Sarah, we've changed
this year into talking more about where because our interest
has kind of grown together in a different way, because
I do like we've really started in like a pop
culture space and then we fell into true crime just
because it's so captivating the stories and all the details

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and like the emotions that come with it. It's really
hard not to like hear a story and not have
it leave an imprint on you.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
And then from there we started to get to a
point but I feel like this must be so hard
for you, we're after a while. For us, it really
just like took a toll on us.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay, tell me about that.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, So we were just kind of like every because
we we would do different cases every week, like a
weekly podcast of us talking about it and unpacking it,
and then after and so many of the ones that
get covered, a lot of them are either unanswered or
things there's just all that information or it's so much
of it because we're not investigating diving deep into them

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to kind of just telling our audience what is the
situation with them.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
It's mostly just a sad tale.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, a sad tale of being like all right,
so there's no answers or this is where a system
failed somebody and then thanks for listening, right, And then
it kind of just got to a point where I
was just like, are you feeling like burnt out in
an emotional way? And she was like yeah, And just
because we were getting to a point where because like
we love what you've been doing so much of like

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going and like specializing in things and helping people out
and just bringing awareness to it, where we were like,
we're not doing that, and but we're talking every week.
So we've kind of shifted into more like scams and
white collar crimes and everything like it, because they're like
for those at least, we're kind of like, okay, well,
like rich people just got fucked up and.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Then like there's still and there's still real rich and
fuck them anyways.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So that's kind of what we've been like, uh, going
into and then kind of realizing like where are forte on,
Like with people with fingers on the pulse coming to
play where it's like more newsier updates and things like that,
because we're like we're giving people information because like maybe
our audience isn't going to like CNN our NBC news
every day or every week, but we're checking that stuff

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out and kind of making it digestible for them in
a way where we both feel good about the final
product we put out, but also like are not drained.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
At the end of it. It's it's interesting that you
mentioned the whole burnout sort of aspect of talking about
crimes like that all the time. I feel like, you know,
doing up and vanished and doing the investigative stuff too.
You you get the same thing, right, And I mean,
Mike here has been on most of these journeys with

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me at this point, and you kind of eventually just
sort of lose yourself in it. And the way that
we stay sane is just totally dark gallows humor type
shit where it's like it's so bad to us in
this not to us like hard but bad stuff all around.

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Oh that it's just you got to say something to
yourself or you're gonna lose your mind.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I feel that is just like my that's when like
my coping mechanism to my entire life just like laughing
at like I like you're just like, well everything is
awful and a tow where I'm like, well I can either
laugh or cry, and like nothing changes after that. So
I guess I'll have a good time and then I'll
laugh until I cry. I'll just cry myself to sleep
at night.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Were you like this in high school? You like you've
been the same person your whole I have, for better
or for words, I have not changed. Okay, I bet
you look this. I bet your first grade yearbook picture
looks like your same face and you were probably saying
the same shit.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I would say, same phase, ad lie like maybe seventy
five pounds and a lot of acts.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
In first grade.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Maybe maybe first grade. Actually I looked amazing. I don't
know what my diet was.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
If I got my first grade buddy back.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
The way, Like I'm like, should I go back to lunchables?
Like I feel like they're so processed?

Speaker 1 (06:13):
But maybe I never didn't go away from lunchables as
an adult they're kind of cooler.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Oh I don't cook, but I just I just even
increasingly on diets. So I don't know if they like
correlate with on my dieting, but that I feel like
first grade me was mainly like I feel like also
because I loved like Whenever I was like with like kids,
I'd be like, these people are kind of boring as shit,
so I always want to talk to like the teachers. Yeah,
like the secretary and.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I will Yeah, the teachers always loved you. Yes, they
hated my ass. I was like weird enough for They're
like either they'd love me or they're like look out
for that one. And I'm like, I'm not one of those,
you know, but.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I yet because I'd be like, oh, you're still getting
a C, but you have a heart of goal.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
But that was the one who was like grading papers
for the teacher. No, no, no, because you ever have that?
Because we I had that, and I'm not pretty sure
they fucked around on my.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Shit like they a kid did it.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
She would like she had there was like two pits
oh yeah, yeh yeah, and they were grading papers.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I was like, are you allowed to do that?

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't even know they're creating papers? Are sitting up?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I still passed fourth grade or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
When I was the thing, I was like, I have a
college or grade. No one asked me for it once,
so like why did I go to school, but no,
I like would just like due to the teachers, I'd
be like I would just be so nosey, being like,
so what do you do after school? Or like so
like who's your friends? Like I would just be really
inquisitive in that way. And it was also bad because
like I was in like middle school in like six
and six and seventh grade. It was like two thousand

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and six, two thousand and seven, so like teachers had
like Facebook, so I'd be would like find their facebooks
and be like, oh my god, your soul like type
of stuff like that, which.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Is very I enjoy watching all your stuff on social media.
You're always cracking me up. I love the thing that
you do with the drink. It's so stupid that it's
and it's so fucking funny that it gets me every
single time. Like I feel like those are probably always
inspired by some true story or feel like I remember

(08:08):
that Margarita or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's like, I'm like, because that's where it's the thing,
like with the dark humor, just like them making fun
of myself so much. I feel where I'm like, I
because I think you can go in a few directions
where people have like such pride of themselves where they
want to be like an impenetrable force field. But I'm
I feel like I want to be the opposite, where
I'm like, I'm just like so fucking stupid, and I
like almost at the point where I don't care if
someone like insults. I'm like, I'm like, well I'll live

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like so then I just feel like it's a fun
way to make fun of myself and also kind of
engage in a way just to be a little take
everything a little less seriously, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Did you ever see yourself being a podcaster professionally in
any capacity at all or is this something you wanted
to do or did you end up here? I mean,
you're great at I was curious.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I appreciate that. I feel I always wanted to be
like a conversationalist type person and like host and stuff
like that, ever since I was kind of like younger
and in high school, in college and then it was
just always so hard where I feel like because when
I was even like in college and the podcasting wasn't
only like nobody, it wasn't like a word like we

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weren't learning at it.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It definitely wasn't cool.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I wasn't cool. No, And I feel like so much
of it was like podcasts like news or random stuff
that I was like, this feels like very like stuff
I don't understand, Like I'm not smart enough to do this, yeah, exactly,
And I'm like I don't know how anything works, Like
my brain shuts off at the second of anything like that.
So I like, I'm like, I have no skills for
any of it. But then I got like an internship
at Serious XM and I started to like do more

(09:38):
talking on microphones there, which really made me like, oh,
I love like the formative radio, but that's always like
such a tricky beast now because like podcasting is kind
of making its own lane as that. So right, Yeah,
So then I kind of like fell into when I
realized what podcasting was doing, I was like, oh, I
really do want to do that, but I don't know
how to do it. So then I just kind of
like clawed my way to finding out how to do that.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's that's amazing though. That's I mean, I ended up
here the same way. I just decided to do something
different one time, and if it didn't work, I was
gonna do something again. I was gonna do something else.
And you know, I always had this weird imposter syndrome
for a long time. I've shaken it off for the
most part, but not entirely. Because I was looking at

(10:21):
radio people and people who did podcasts, like this is
their lane, they do this. I identified as this filmmaker person.
Not that I had any big director of credits under
my name, but like that's just how I viewed myself.
And I felt like I was just pretending or lying
if I was just like, oh, I do this now.
So I was very open about that, and like even

(10:44):
from episode one, because I was like, hey, like I'm
not like I am who I am, but anyways, I
am doing this no exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And I feel that's almost a night like a good
because I of course imposter syndrome is just everywhere, but
so much of it. I think what you were just
saying it comes from like a respect of the people.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Before you doing it. It was really more of that yeah, where.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You kind of want to be like, oh fuck, I'm
like if they like, I don't want them to think
that I'm like them. And what helped me with that
is like because I but very recently I was inspired
because I went to see Beyonce's Renaissance tour. Twice. You
had to wear Beyonce's Renaissance tour.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Oh well, was it amazing or fucking really amazing?

Speaker 2 (11:21):
It was so fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Then I was just and it shook my imposters them
a little.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You went twice, you've playing around, not playing around two
days in a rouw.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, first because I went, I flew across the country
for it to go in LA because I putn't in
her New York dates and my friend got us like
for her birthday. Just like the first day is we
could get like nose nose nose bleeds, and I kind
of was in a moment, was like, oh, we're flying
across the country, guys, I'm gonna have to go on
to a master and see how we can elevate. I
was like, how would Beyonce see herself? So then I
got us floor seats, so we got to experience it

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from both sides.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Damn, very beautiful. Falled out like that, You're like, all right, cool,
we're doing it for real. Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
But then after that, when I was watching, I was like, well,
what if I want beyond say never to be embarrassed
of me if she does not know who I am,
but I would be like, so that's where I went
after it. I bought a new Parason glasses because she
has that brand, and I was like, okay, and then
it kind of makes me.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Going just stressed up, like Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Not the latex, I'm right, but like he's gonna give Beyonce.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes, we'll try to be like, you know, or one
eighth of her, because I guess dudes do that at
football games, they're wearing like damn near an entire uniform,
like the.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
The field and they're like drunk. I'm like, this is sad.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
You know what annoys me, which shouldn't annoy me as
much as it does, is if you go to a
sporting event let's just say the Brooklyn Nets, since we're
close to that, and they're wearing like a Dallas Cowboys uniform,
like like they're just wearing something with a sport on it.
I'm like, and that's fun. Do whatever you want to do.

(12:52):
But I'm like, why are you Why are you generalizing?
It was I was amazing, We're going to sport you.
But let's just let's where let's wear sports stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I could say, I could feel because I know no
sports teams. If someone invited me to go to a
game that, how do I dress the part?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
I do this one thing that says yeah, I'm like, hey,
no they don't have that team anymore because it was
a bad name, no cool looking shirt. But yeah, you
can't wear that anymore ironic. Yeah, like what did you
think about it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Wait, are you a bit like are you big sports person?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I mean I'm not like a huge sports person, but
growing up I was an Atlanta sports guy. Watched the
Atlanta Falcons and the Hawks.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Are you a shouting at the screen type of person?

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Is that?

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Because where do you let out your like, your your
feelings and vibes Because a lot of good people I
know will shout at a screen once every Sunday for
two hours.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Then I met that I figured out, actually I just
keep it all bottled in forever carbonation. Yeah, so I
want I think I used to be the guy who
was like what the fuck? Man, I'm so just defeated
at this point. Once the Falcons lost that Super Bowl,
which even if you don't even know sports, you know

(14:06):
what I'm talking about. I you know, boohoo me. But
like I went through Oh wow, we won for the
first time, because there's no way they're coming it would
be I looked, I was like looking on wicked, feel
like this would be a record. Well it was so,
and we've like sucked ever since. And that's not just

(14:28):
a casual sports guy. Yeah, let's go catch a game.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
But now you can look, you had that beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well was it what they want?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Or didn't win?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Oh no, you're kidding me, you said every person, not
even a sports or no, And I'm just okay, well.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I'm trying.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
In the same year as that, it was Tom it
was the Patriots versus the Falcon Super Bowl. We were
up twenty eight to three with like three minutes left
in the third quarter, and so like, mathematically it was
the closest to him. Everything had to go right. So
I was like, we got this. And then it was

(15:06):
just the craziest, Like, if you were a Patriots fan,
you've been.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like this, you would have left already.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
This is note or you left or you've been like
this is amazing. Are we gonna do this? And I
was like, there's no way they're going to do this anyways,
I'm not that deep into sports because this is not
worth my emotion.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And also it's also you just have to love last
laugh Giselle and him divorced. I mean, he's looking interesting
in Miami. If you're fine, everyone's fine.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, he's he's fine, yeah and.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Everyone else because like now it's like he tried, because
he kept trying to chase that.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
If Tom Brady d MD was like, yo, like let's hang,
I would I would, yeah, like let's go, like sorry
for everything going on with Tom Brady. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, And I want to know what if he's like
botoxing because his face is looking very different this time,
and I love, I love, like just stop procedures, but
yes he did stop.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Ah, have you done any procedures? Is that? Are you
allowed to ask that question?

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah? I haven't. I'm just so curious about it, but
I feel like I don't want to. I haven't, Okay,
I am always so curious about it, and people who
I know get like a boatox something of that.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, they do look so good, But that would.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Be as far as I would go. Because my brother's
a doctor and he's very against anybody getting elective surgeries
right or against.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
He's he's just like, let's get a scar on your
face and you're getting rid of it or something.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Because then that's like less. It's more like the elective
surgery where it's like I want like my lips to
be bicker, or like I was on the Gals where
he's like it's going, it's a it's a surgery, because
I feel people forget that that's also a procedure. But
with that to say, I would be very curious about
like a boat talks moment.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I would totally entertain the boatox thing. And this is
I'm such a caveman that I wish that there was
just a sexier app that's like that was like boatox
for dudes, Like not that it needs to be necessarily
catered to me, just like I don't understand it. It's

(16:58):
confusing because then it's like you get like it's down
for us because like they're I'm willing to spend some
money if I knew what the hell was going on.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
My favorite thing is to spend money. I don't really
understand a full thing off.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right that I think spend money on that I don't
know what it is. Yeah, that also.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Is a good market because I feel it's always like
my favorite is now like all the vitamins for men
and everything, which is or like that's what when you
look at.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
The back of the kind of cool. It can't be
like dude white. It's like, yeah, it's got to be
like higher brow that feels like you don't want like
bro men's skincare vibes. But yeah, but like we know
what wrinkles guys get or whatever and like and you
can just hit the app and your face is diment.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Wait, that's exactly it would be. Like the commercial would
be like a guy like doing lawn work in the
sun and it's just like a little wrinkles there and.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Aging make it so accessive every uncle is doing it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I would actually that'd be very fun.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Because you do have a true crime podcast called not
Another True Crime Podcast. Also, I'm pretty sure I understand
why it's called that, but can you tell me why
it's called it.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It's called there for a few reasons. One is that
it's not an like the irony of there's so many
juecin podcasts out there. But also we're not another one
because kind of like I was saying, we're not diving
super super deep into all the stuff that you might
want to know. We wanted to put that almost as
a disclaimer to people listening, because like, as people right now,

(18:27):
I don't have like the good like sixteen minutes voice
of anything like that, and Sarah doesn't either. So we're
kind of talking and like we'll start about our day
and everything, then go into everything and they're like, why
are you bullshitting about their day before an I'm like,
because we said we're not, Like this is what the
cards are on the table.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I already told you what this shit was.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, yeah, honey, like calm the fucked out, and it's
like the review, I'm like, please, just I would rather
just be like I fucking hate these people and stop
listening because I'm like, we're not gonna change. It always
amazes me, Yeah, I just I've never felt inclined. I
haven't even left a bad Google review of anything something
I don't like.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You're so who leads reviews, you're sus unless you're just
genuinely supporting because you were either asked to or you
loved it that much.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And that's there have been sometimes either with a podcast
where I'm just like, you know what, this podcast may
be very happy, or even if I'm like at a
Zara at a local mall and the woman who helped
me is aces. All the other fives are review I'm like,
you have to go shopping here. You have to. If
Michelle's there, it's the best day of your life. Tip.
So I love to re reviews for good.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
If they're like in all the true crime stories that
you've heard and or just even like read about on
the internet, is there any one particular unsolved crime that
bothers you or you wish could be solved or you
have any sort of take on that just like leads
you scratching your head.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I feel ones that, well, h one that really was
like so interesting to me, and it kind of was solved,
But I feel like there's just like he was such
a crazy man. There's probably so much more to him,
like do you know, like the fake guy. Maybe he's
kind of like he's sort of and this is where
I get so interested with like how.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Like okay Anadelvy kind of thing or kind of an Annadelvi.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Okay, but like pre Anadelvi were he and he lived
like Anadelvi was just Anadelvi?

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Did he actually have money or but he was so.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Good at faking it? He had seven different names.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Well everyone does that now, I guess everyone.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, and he but it was even before you could
like go to Kinko's and make a new name for you.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Like he was talented.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
He was talented and so much so he went to
New York one of his final stops and like told
everybody he was related to the Rockefeller family, which fridy
person like Rockefellers.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
You wuldn't prove them wrong. They're like, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Exact yeah, and it's like people up and it's so
good too, where it's like you to fool rich aristocrats.
You don't want to say to someone, oh, I'm one
of the Rockefellers and them to be like, I don't
think you're a Rockefeller because it's like you don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's like it's like, yeah, I'm one of you guys.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
It's like, oh, yes, you are a lifeboat and you're like.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Uh oh sort of class. That's why I don't go
on cruises. I don't trust a cruise.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now you know, there's not enough lifeboat still and there's
no plans on that thing sinking. They're like that was
one time Titanic.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I'm assuming you're not a cruise person.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Honestly, I've never been.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I've never been on one either.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Really, I mean I would go, but it's not I'm
not craving it. And you have the people who are like, no,
you should definitely go on a cruise. I was like, man,
I've been to Vegas in a building that i'd never left.
I'm pretty sure I've been on a cruise. Isn't it
the same thing. You're just like maybe getting seasick and
I'm more track.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Few weeks and I feel like that will be my
cruise time.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yet it might be fun, though, do you? I mean,
please report back as someone who's never been on one.
You see you're going on.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
No, I'm going to Vegas. It's not a cruise.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Okay, but you've been to Vegas.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I've been in Vegas once before, only once, only once.
It's my second time.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, Well, good luck.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I will try it. It's for it's for Bravo con
so it'll be.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Oh Dan, that'll be fun. Actually, that could be wild
Eyed geez.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
And unfortunately the over lap of the criminal Genshaw she
will not be there because she's in prison with Elizabeth Holmes.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh my god, you were mentioning that in text too,
what are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's so she and this is why it is interesting
too when we'll talk because me and Sarah we talk
like how because we watch reality TV sometimes it comes
up a lot in some of the scam and more
like financial crimes we're talking about, because so much of
it interlupts with like narcissism and like those tendencies to

(22:28):
be convincing and things are not and everything. So Genshaw
I she just is like it was just such a
person who thought she was so good at breaking the
law that she could go on reality TV and not
get caught.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, like she just completely had fooled herself herself into
like do you realize what this looks like? Yes?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
And she's like why is everyone mad at me?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Like what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
And it just is so it's so chef's kiss that
she's in the same place as Elizabeth Holmes and their
friends because like they and people would probably think, like
what is this like CEO trying to fake out and
this real house to have in common? They both think
they're the best person in the entire world. Yes, so yeah,
they'll talk.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
The voice of Elizabeth Holmes is like the way she
kind of seemingly changed it is.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I know, it's so impressive.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I feel like so hot.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
I feel she could have gone into like opera singing too.
She yeah, I mean she because like that range is
very impressive.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I don't. I don't even know if I could do that,
Like no, I mean you kind of did.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Like, no, you couldn't like talk about science and do that.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
I can't. I for like ever, No, I know nothing
about science or masculine vocal chords. So I'm very bad
at all. I'm very bad at both of them.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
That you don't you don't have a degree, and you
don't know vocal chords work. Does anyone know how they work? No,
just that one doctor who does that does so. When
I got into true crime, which I hate you even
saying because I mean, for a lot of reasons, but
Up in Vantish was my first podcast. It came out
in twenty sixteen, and that was right after Cereal had

(24:11):
that big moment and kind of introduced all of us
to just the magnitude of true crime storytelling and a
podcast format. And it's like it's like the Holy Grail.
But I was, you know, at that time, I was
inspired by Cereal. I had watched The Jinks on HBO Amazing,

(24:31):
also watched Making a Murderer and that was a huge thing,
and so I want to talk about Making a Murderer
for a second. You know what I'm talking about, right,
Stephen Avery, Yes, what do you think? Do you think
he did it or not?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I feel it's a hard thing where I am so
susceptible to everything, and I don't know if that's a
good or bad thing. It depends on Like I'll read
like one Reddit threat or something and I'm like, well fuck, You're.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Like, well there it is.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Guys just lying, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And then I like click on the link and I'm
like it's like a little spambot. I I feel he
did absolutely, Yes, yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Because who else did it? Now? The thing is is
like did the police plant evidence? Probably? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yet I also that's the thing where it's people.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
They're like, we're getting this guy no matter what, and
we don't give a ship. I'm not saying that's cool.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Shit happens.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
It's weird only because he did do it and the
cops were fucking shady.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
And also that's why it's weird. That's most times. It's
like Taylor Stuff once said, both of these things can
be true. That most times like someone did something and shady.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Sometimes it isn't what it looks like, but it usually is.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, and it is funny because I'm talking about talking
about ours. It's crazy how now I feel every story
is like ping ponged between like a podcast series and
then it comes to Netflix documentary. Then there's a Netflix
documentary podcast about it. Everything like that. Yeah, where I
feel for a while podcast was catching up to like
the documentary the documentarians. And it's interesting right now, it's.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
A universe that it all lives in. It's changed so much,
like I got so much shit for and and I'll
even say, rightfully so for being some guy who's raising
his hand saying I don't know what I'm doing. I
probably shouldn't be doing this, but I'm doing it anyway.
But I did do it and completed the loop. And

(26:33):
I I do feel a little strange about some other
people out there doing it. Not saying that I am
in any way special or better, I just know how
difficult it was and is and all the things that
come with it that you might not pick up on
by just listening to my show mm hmm. And so

(26:54):
I feel like, you know, I don't want to feel
like I've you know, led someone down some path that say, hey,
like you don't know what it's really like though, like
you might not want to do this. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And it's also it's also really interesting too because I
feel there because like it was just podcasting for so long,
and now that there's all these big booms of documentary
and stuff coming out, and now there's a lot of
like higher profile people who don't do anything remotely involved
with any of that stuff. It's like, yeah, I want

(27:23):
to check and I don't really care how I get
it or the quality of what comes out. I just
want to do it.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
This guy did it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
And they're like and I have. They're like, I'm an
a list star, so I can just put my nail
on something, hodgepot something.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
All together, we learned that that we've learned that does
not work.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
It doesn't work when a keeps et for the.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Show that we have with Kim K because she did
absolutely crush it and she is dope and she's smart
as hell about it and actually gives a shit research
and things like that, Yeah, Like she's not just trying
to look good. She really is like in this and
is an advocate and knows this case.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's what I do. And I feel like there ha
because there was such an anti Cradashians for a while,
and I obviously get why. I feel Kim is on
her way back to kind of being more.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
If you don't like Kim k you're just a hater.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
It's like you haven't tried her sweaters.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
So many things you could say because her life just
looks so much cooler than yours, and she's actually talented
and you wish that she wasn't.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
And it's also the funny thing too, where people and
it's kind of what you were saying, where people see
what you do and they want to do or I'm
like it's like, yeah, her life sees a magical I'm like, oh,
fucking sucks too.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
How many other rich people there are that don't do anything?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, or they do things that are just like specifically
their richness comes from making other people's lives more miserable
in hell where it's.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Like she could be way shitty but she's not.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, and she could be like, oh, I want to
like she could bulldoze over like community centers to build
like skims pop ups or something like that, because that's
like what rich people do. It's like the grove in La.
I'm like that guy almost fucking became mayor there. So
like there's a lot of rich people that are pieces
of shit where it's like wanted it, maybe buy a sweater.
And like as she's helping people with like prison reform
and trying and because that was the thing everyone made

(29:05):
fun of her for doing, like the law school route
and like studying for like the baby bar and everything,
I was like, I just try it.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, I bet everyone who laughed it could never even
do it themselves.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I couldn't do it. Oh, I could not. I didn't
even finish college. That's because I didn't want to, because
I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
You made the right choices, like college, I mean college
was fine.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Hindsight, like, I'm like, thank god I didn't do that
was I would have been a waste.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Of time because I'm like, I pay how much money
amoun than student loans? Because I like went to keg
parties and made friends and like barely did homework. It
was it was rough, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Do you like, Actually, Mike, do you
mind trying to pull up remember that Reddit comment I
showed you in the radio rental thread that was kind
of perverted about me? Can you try to find that?
It's very it's very funny. But you mentioned something earlier

(29:57):
about like just seeing something on Reddit and being like, oh, wow,
that's true. Right, So do you do you go on Reddit?

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I have sometimes, or Sarah has gotten me down Reddit
spirals because she kept on.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
He's gotten me down it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, there's always a person. It's always kind of like
like the redditor slip yeah, slope, yes, because first you
would just be like, oh you need to read this
rad and I was like okay, and I'm like at first,
I literally big, I don't even know how this works.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I'm like, yeah, you're like this is for nerd. Yeah,
And now I have the app and now you're like yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And now like if it's also the thing too, like
if I'm looking for like reviews or something before I
buy it, yes, I've read it.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
At the end of It's not a bad place to look
for that that's.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Actually there is because that's the thing every like five
great Reddit threads there's like twenty five thousand bad ones
and then you you never know which one is the
which category. But it does occupy my time a lot.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
This is gonna sound really silly and it's not an
ad for anything. But I got COVID again recently, Like
I was like, I feel a little weird. I was like,
surely not. And I had one test left over from
the year ago that I I had COVID. I guess
last time. And I'm like, well, I lets just see

(31:03):
and I'm like, bullshit, really, And I was going to
Alaska four days later. I was like, I need to
kill this thing. And I remember seeing all these dumb
commercials on TV for this drug called paxloavas Oh yes,
and I was like whatever, and so I was like,
so I just googled, like how do you get Packedloavid?
And I ended up on this app and I and

(31:25):
thirty minutes later I was talking to this lady who
prescribed it, and I swear to God, in twenty four
hours it went away. But the first thing I did
I went to read it. I was like, all right,
what's up with this thing? And everyone's like, guys, I'm
not gonna lie. It's kind of crazy. It just it works.
And right place they loved to bullshit on things, they
would totally call it out if they didn't. So if

(31:45):
you get COVID, get packed, Sloavid. I hate that. I
just said that. But also, no one wants COVID for
more than a day, no or an hour. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well because also now because we're out upon a society
where because it used to be like, oh my god,
you have called like take as much time off work
if you need anything like that. And I was like,
it's not as bad, dude, come on to work and
you're like nobody work. You're like, fuck, you're right, I
just got my bogo d on the shot flu and booster.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, it's still a pretty good excuse.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Though.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's like cause it's you know, it's it's a little
more oh COVID. Okay, well it's it's wearing thin though.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
That's where I get that. You got you gotta save
the time you get it at the time you want to,
because you're like I can't go out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Also like you can't funk around and get COVID like
shortly after that and actually have its Like I got
it again. I know I'm a medical and you cannot
post anything on social media. You cannot be with a bar.
Did you did you find it? Okay, I will try
to find this, he goes. Also, his user name is

(32:50):
is mcculay Culkin. I'm pretty sure it's not the real one.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You don't know though.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
If it is, he gets a pass. But also fuck off,
he he says. Payne Lindsay has an alt Reddit account
where he shares pics of himself stretching his wiener out.
Super weird dude dot dot dot. And so my first
off was, like stretching my wiener out? What are you

(33:18):
even talking about? I don't even I don't have to
stretch it out balls, like stretching it out like I mean,
because that's not for you. But like, where are they
doing I mean, after they're doing it somewhere like stretching
it out like that doesn't even make sense. Yeah, And
then this guy goes, can a man not stretch his

(33:40):
wiener on the internet. It's important to have hobbies. And
then uh Mincola Culkin says, yeah, man, he's stretching his
wiener out. He posted on this sub a month ago
and I asked him about it, and he refused to answer.
And this person goes, how do you know it's even him?
And then he says he had a verification photo and

(34:02):
it was his face and cock and there was a
bunch of radio rental stuff and stuff from his other
works and memorabilia in the background. I'm like, this guy's
just literally making this shit up. And this person goes,
I'm just so floored right now. I mean to each
their own, obviously, but wow. The next person goes, I
am sick. What the fuck? Please please elaborate on how

(34:26):
you attempted to call him out? And I was like,
all right, I shouldn't say anything. I should stay after this,
and so I just like got pissed and probably like
yelled into a pillow and the bucket. Then he went
at it again and like saying the same thing. I
was like, all right, dude, like we gotta check this out.
I'm gonna say something also like I made this up

(34:46):
Reddit and you're nenger a part of it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
So yeah, you're like, you can't go to my house anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
But it was so annoying that people were like, what,
no way. I'm like, it's not true, obviously, I don't
stretch it out, lay it out.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
You're a gentleman. Yeah right, just as you know, like
from the waist down, it's laid out on the country.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Like it's very it's it's.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
It has its own pillow.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's not is perverted as you're picturing it.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I'm also like, because my thing the reason I feel
like everyone should always lying, because I am the only
want to. I was like, how would you pose with
your face stretched out, penis and all your stuff in the.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Back, Like how bad do you would have to be doing?

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Like you would have to be doing like sun salt
you take or like something like that, or like a
V stretch.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's like cool, Like I don't want to do my
career anymore. Let me just let me this is the
way I want to go out.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
I also would be the main reason I would only
be mad at you for doing that on Reddit, because
I would just call you im meeting and say, liked.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You missed the only fans opportunity. It's like if I
could have started doing that, then like we're going to
monetize this obviously, you know my bucks ten bucks, and
you could be like, if you pay, you.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Can stretch your wallets to the top tier. I'll stretch
my for as long as.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
You need, right, I mean, if it's enough money. I mean,
I don't know I would.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean, I got a doctor.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
I want to try to find where how do you
read it? App is kind of annoying here trying to
find my own like comments that I've.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Made that's Oh, did you reply to him on there?
Or no?

Speaker 1 (36:17):
I eventually did, Yes, I need to find it now.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
That's also such a funny lie to say this because
I'm like, what it is hilarious because I'm like, how
does that? Because if I saw that about like someone
that I like listened to, or I'm.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Like it sounds right, It's like it's too specific.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's so confused. And I was like,
that's what he does. I don't know if it's the
New York and me. I'm like, all you're saying is
he stretches out his penis. I was like, all right,
I'm like, ride the two train, babe. I don't have
to tell you.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
It was only really annoying when I saw people were going, wow,
I can't believe him. I'm like, this person is blindly
believing this. I was like, I can't just sit here
and let that happen.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
But now I wonder if I read that. I wonder
if I would have thought, damn.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
You, yeah, pins and pain, it's right, I would say,
where is it? I can't find it.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm like, DM, I.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Think you must have deleted it. Can you send it over?

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I'd be like a lighting tip and cue it up.
Or I just like, do whatever you do, don't put
it next to our.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
TV or everyone knows you don't show your face in
those things. A.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Never show your face for any come on, yeah, exactly,
and B never put it next to like a thing
for like size comparison, because that just is always so embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah. Also, it no matter what you're doing, it looks gross. Yeah, cool,
like like that's the body washer used that's gross.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Like oh the bo No, because I'm like, you have
a one?

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Or like cool, really old remote.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, now if you're doing it next to the apple, hey,
it's the motion of the ocean. But they're not paying anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, okay. So he he was back at it again
a couple of days ago, and he caught me in
the wrong mood. I was like, so, he said again
just to a new post in the same subreddit too,
this is Micula Colcon again too bad. Payin Lindsay has
a weird Reddit account where he'd stretch out his penis

(38:05):
for up votes. Really strange, dude, And again someone goes,
what and then he elaborated he has an alternate Reddit
account like that, yeah, filled with posts of him stretching
his soft penis out. I called him out in this
sub and he deleted the old account immediately. He probably
has a new one by now though. So I was like,

(38:27):
all right, I'm pretty sure I was driving and I
was pulled over.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I was like, you know what, I got time.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I know I do have time. Yeah, I said, shut
the fuck up, you creepy fuck Lol. I've checked out
your Reddit profile and every other post you make is
in fact about a penis, and it is strangely true.
But like he's saying other weird stuff about other people,
like in this vein, like not this specific, but like
other shit like this. I said, blocking your ass from

(38:55):
this group lol, And so I blocked him. And you know,
I don't want the truth to get out like that,
you know, No, you just have.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
To be a big reveal, a coming up. All. Yeah,
that's called a debutante.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, it's like, come on, man, if that's the way,
that's not how I'd go out, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
And also that is because this is funny thing. You
wouldn't even get in trouble for that. That's not doing
anything that's weird or choice.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Yeah, people might have a like it might offend some people,
but some people are not going to be offended and
they'll probably subscribe.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I would say, do you boo?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yes, right exactly, I'm kind of like, are we past that?
Like he cares like, I mean, it would be a
little strange. I mean, I don't think it would work
for my vibe over here as a true crime podcaster investigator.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
You know that'd be the hard wear, both hats, not
just like a stretched out little top hat on your
stretch up penis. Ye know, that'd be very hard. Well,
I would just say you would just need to do
other things that would be less painful.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Have you ever maybe this is just like a stupid
thought that I've had, But if you ever thought of
about like if you were if this was like a
in a bubble as an experiment, how fast do you
think you could cancel yourself?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
With milliseconds, like right now, you could do it just
like all the tweet a simple transmission or yeah you
call it an x now or xing or I don't,
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's well, it's like how meta is Facebook now? All
that stuff? So you just pick whatever new platform to
cancel yourself.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, because it's both about efficiency here if you're trying
to do it the fastest. Oh, you don't have to
go into what you would do because you're starting, but yeah,
you know the.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I would I feel Twitter is the probably the the
best mode for I.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Think so too. Yeah, whatever you say, like you say
and I mean that, and I mean that, but like
you what.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Would be worse getting canceled from that or like you
do that you're like, well it's over two likes.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, like oh, then you're like whatever. Then you've become
super successful, and then ten years later someone was like, dude,
look what are you saying.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
That's They're like, let me say that.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
They come back to bite you, but you'd be good
for now. We're not ready to kill you yet. And
I'm not trying to be all don't I don't give
a shit about I'm just saying like, well, it's funny
that you know what I'm saying now exactly like you
could fuck up and say something yeah, and like because
I'm you wouldn't but good and it could exact you
wanted to.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
I feel if anybody just had their stream of consciousness
be out of their brain and everyone just be like
what the fuck, they would just say like I just
want to not be around you because you're so something
is wrong.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Like I thought you were better than this.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, no, I'm Dejornia.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
You're like, I'm sorry. This is why I keep it
all up here.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, now it's safe up there in the bubbles, introverted
it is.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Yeah, some people just you know, are not as good
at that.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah. Well it's interesting because like I feel, Dojia cats
really trying to cancel herself?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
But I thought she's like she is uncancellable. I think
that's kind of she just too cool. I mean, she
could definitely say some messed up shit and get people upset,
but like has she done that? I don't really follow her,
I guess, but I feel like in what what vein?
Like she expensive stuff for what?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah? Well because she had the offensive things like that,
like the chat room she used to be in and
I think because that was the foundation of it. And
then recently I don't know the person who she wore
on her shirt. Did you see it or like, but
it was like some like controversial person on a shirt
and she like posts helf for the person, and any
person who knows this person knows that they're controversial. I

(42:42):
was like, I don't know who the fuck is on
her shirt. So she's doing a lot of things where
it's almost like she's like feeding the beast of it
almost so much where she does something every day.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Where it's almost it's not what it's not an anomaly,
it's just like constantly, it's like Trump is always Trump arrested, Yes, always,
And you're like it's like nothing surprises you, and you
could that's that's probably one person. You could read anything
about it on the internet and be like that's probably
true and it's probably yeah the one exception where it's

(43:14):
like yeah, that that's true too.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Or I feel like I actually think they're not embellishing enough.
I think they're there whole.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
God, Yeah, that's just the tip that the iceberg there. Yeah,
there's more to that. Yeah, it's funny because what I
did a up and Ventish TV series a couple of
years after on Oxygen and one of the things that
they made me do before the show came out, which
I was like, yeah, that's I mean, like this was
like a requirement. But I was like that's fine. I

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was like, I'm gonna be good. They're like we need
like they hired some third party company to go look at, like,
look at all the social media posts I've ever made
and make sure there was not something like you know
that could go yeah goofy in there. And I was like,
I'm good, You're good. There was like one thing from

(44:02):
like two thousand and eight and it's not as bad.
I'm not even gonna say what it is, but I
was like, oh yeah, that that that could that could
be perceived that way. I was like did I Did
I even tweet that? Did I tweet that? But I've
also now I know that I'm good now because I
was like, it was one thing it is NBCU, Yeah,
someone's gonna go try to find it. Not we scrubbed

(44:22):
that shit. Uh yeah, that's it was. It was hilarious
of how confident I was. I was like, I'm a
good person coming. I was like okay, and what's funny?
And I'm not even making this up. It was related
to sports, it was related. This was back when I
was emotional about it and I had to drop it.

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It's not good for you.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
No, that's what you should never feel too emotionally tied
to anything, really, honestly, honestly, no attachments. Really is a
perfect way to get their life.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I wanted to ask you something because you are, like,
you know, being a comedian is basically part of your job.
Is do you find it more difficult not being funny?
I was?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I was, I'm like if I when I do myself, don't.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Actually answer that. I was like, will he think that's funny?
You didn't, so fuck I.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I wasn't because it's like there's half the times, like
half the times you're performed for people who don't think
you're funny and like hate you, And that's actually the
more fun times. You think so because it's like just enjoyable,
because it's like enjoyable to yourself where you're like, well,
why am I doing this? I was like, well's to
make myself laugh, So I just gotta go from that.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah, I think I think that's honestly probably a good
method and then allo making yourself laugh. You're having fun
and you're probably funnier actually, And.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
To your point or to what were we talking about earlier,
where it's I'm like, oh yeah, I go into everyonoe
like oh no, one will think I'm like whatever. I'm
just like here, what can I do to have? Like
there's like, I don't know if you've ever seen like
that Mariah Carey viral TikTok sound where she's like drunk
on a stage and she's like, I'm gonna do the
best I can with what I got. Yeah, that's how
I wake.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Up every day, which is just a vibe.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
It's just a vibe.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
So man, do what I'm doing. Have you ever done
stand up? Yeah? That sounds terrifying but also exciting, And
I mean I want to one day do that just
for for my own sake and fun and probably bum
and be scared. But like I admire anyone who gets

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on the stage and just is being funny and like
that's not fucking that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's a fun. It's a lot of fun at times
because you sort of just like lose yourself and I'm
very much off the cup, Like I don't like to
write stuff out, and I love because it's like a
pressure cooker almost because it's yes, okay while you're out
there and you're on there and it's not you're like, okay,
we cut for a second, where it's like no, you
literally are in real time. So it makes that adrenaline
rush go, which is really really enjoyable. But there is

(46:43):
also the parts of it that I do it last
now because the parts of it where it's like kind
of like anything else where you need to work so
much at it.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, to be really truly is a craft.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, to be like somewhat okay at it, like not
even to be like yeah good or great at it,
and like not even to make money, just like not
be embarrassing yourself. Well, usually are like so many times
a week, so many times a night and everything where
I'm just like, oh, I got like it was one
of like after the pandemic where I was like I
forgot how to like go out, and that was one
of the things I was like, I need to like
now remember how to go to dinner. And then on

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top of that do that.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Yeah, like I gotta like you have manners again.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I mean, let me let me take a step back.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Do you have any current favorite comedians or anything.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Well, I'm obsessed with a z Way. She's less of
a stand up, but like she's like an interviewer who
is just really really fucking funny, and I feel she's
a really good example of someone who like did something
that not a lot of other people were doing and
just very.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Much her Okay, what's your name again?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
Why?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Time?

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Really fucking funny, very styracle. Love her, and I also
do like kind of on the flip side of her.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Jared Freed, do you know maybe I probably would know
the face?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
He shouts at sports sometimes too, so does he He's
shot so slack he shouts at sports and The Bachelor,
so he has he has layers and levels to him,
and he's just like a hysterical guy. And I like
his humor because it's very like self deprecating me. It's
my favorite's my favorite thing because it's also what it's
funny where people's relatable to where they get so worried
and people like what can I love? What can I

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make fun of anymore?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Everyone wants like, well, you're pretty fucking funny.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, that's what I'll see, Like a guy who's forty.
It's like, well, now I can't joke about anything. I'm like,
you have a receiving hairline. Use that, yes, yeah, I
might go with that. You think those pants fit you properly?
Go with that? Like you actually have hours.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
I have so many jokes for you.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I'm like, if you want me to write them for you, like,
we can go at it. Like I'm sure your wife,
who you somehow have, would love to.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Add some jokes to that, and your escorts like.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
They have the memoirs. I'm sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Oh yeah. So you watch a lot of reality TV.
If you're watched if you ever watched uh, love is Blind?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
You know I I'm not caught up. I watched that
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Or did he ever just finished the season of it?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Do you not think that we've conclusively figured out that
love is blind? Because you know what, it turns out
love is not blind?

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Because I'm like, because I as someone who yo yo
diets all the time. If we really want love to
be blind, how does everyone in that pot on those
pots of apps?

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Why is everyone hot hot? We need some people? Every
single person is hot?

Speaker 2 (49:16):
We need if we really want to prove the test
of what.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
This throw in some randoms in there, some scary people
or something.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
I like, make it interesting, make it interesting, not how
is everybody because I know also know it's like a
TV shows, like they get cast it from agents. I'm like,
they got to expand the reach a little bit, just
kind of like with like all dating shows, we have
to make it more realistic to the levels of people
that are out and about.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Right now, the Bachelorette kills me because every single dude,
they're like they're like the only guys in the world
who look like them. Yes, like they're like either there's
only so many of them and they're all on the Bachelor,
or they're about Bachelorette and they're about to.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Be the bachelor.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, exactly, like that's the only like they'd like to
go find them, like you'll see when Oh that would
that that would be one, but like every once in
a while, it's not.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And that's where I feel if it was more regular
looking people. I think it would also help people have
more fun, yeah, because then I'm like, oh, they have
personalities or it's kind of like you you would I
would feel more related to like watching someone like have
a sweat stain on a date. Because I'm like, that's me,
like I would just kind of feel more at home.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, no one's ever talking about anything interesting either. There's
always some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
And it feels so because then it's also because they're
so very like Barbie ken Ish with it, because like
still with a Bachelor where it's like they're like that
sex well, it's like that's kind of a part of
dating too, where you kind of like where they beat
around it so much, where I feel if it was
people that just more looks, it's like, yeah, like let's
see how we flop together type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
And what's crazy is just is the fairy tale presentation
and they're at the end essentially what happens is I
mean it leads sometimes this guy has sex with like
three girls, but it's this very romantic thing only on
the Bachelor Are you doing that and not pissing?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Well also with them all knowing about it, right, because it's.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Like I'm trying to find love, good luck doing You
can't do that shit in real life, and it's I'm
like fake permission to be kind of a shitty.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I'm in support of everyone having a roster for the
first two three months of days to book around. But yeah,
but then when you find it, when it's through your
final rose, you shouldn't mean to be not.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
With like three girls who want to marry you. No,
that's that's insane.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
So I love you so much. What your ring sides,
I'm gonna go fucking the other.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Well, I'm already here.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
So it's funny how they should really make that more
of like a polyamorous show, because that would end up
in a whole different fun What are.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
They I mean, I guess I do know what they're
afraid of. I mean an advertiser, You're right, who could
who would ever oppose? I'd be I forget sometimes that
people are so charged by that shit. Then I'm constantly
reminded and I'm like, oh, yeah, like what the fuck like.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
If you had average looking people dating to be in
a poly relationship, I would watch the hell out of it.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
If it isn't like what a dating app is in
real life, and then it's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
When I lived in Brooklyn, yes that was, It's not
like it's a lot. That's why I'm obsessed with The
Golden Bachelor because it feels a little more this.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
So yeah, I watched the first episode and I'm like,
this is this is gonna be good. I'll say this
is gonna be interesting.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
And it is funny because I feel this maybe is
more so just like for coastal cities, I'm thinking I'm
shocked that all. And I guess also it's the same
reason for ABC. I really thought there'd be like some
younger girls for the guy because I am used to
seeing May December relationships a lot more where I'm kind
of like, there's not one thirty year old who's looking

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for the sexy guy.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Because I'm not rich. Though he's got he's got a
you know, I r a or something. He's got, he's
got retirement. Yeah, he probably lives a simple life, but
he's not like a you know, I don't know that.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Would have to be called. I guess at the Ritz
Carlton because when I go to a hotel bar, I'm
just always looking. I'm like, what is happening here?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
I want to see if you do something with me here?
And in the spirit of all of your silly videos
of the drink that you had last night or the
one that's calling your name at brunch, I have a
little mini barn here. Could we whip something up? Real
quick and just do a little toast. Yes, okay, cool.

(53:41):
The options are probably very limited, but we'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
I love.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Uh, let's see what we got. It's probably bad wine
or hard whiskey.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
I'm easy. I don't drink, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Well, then don't drink with me.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Then, oh, I thought, well, they don't have any mixers there.
I would just cheers to you. I'm Irish, cathic. I'll
raise a glass from.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Okay, then we'll do that. So what are we cheers into?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
We are cheersing? Mm? You know what I feel? We
gotta like I want to almost raise a glass to
stretching out your heart your soul and.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
You have to do it and yeah, yeah, okay to
stretching out my heart and nothing else.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
God bless that.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Who Okay, watch just be like how my only fans starts?

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Can I tell you the hotel room you have set
up here? It does give only fans vibe? Does it?

Speaker 1 (54:39):
What does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Like?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
How does it give OnlyFans vibes?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
It's giving decadence but plays out to like stuff because
you have a big window you have like it could
be as darker light.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
As someone's done that here, right, I'm assuming I'm on liquid.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, Like there's no there's no way that someone has
not recently had sex in here, which is you don't
think about it, but like it's now actually has to
be true.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
It just and also it's like almost the thing like
in living in cities. Every time I'm in even like
a dressing room or a bathroom, a public bathroom or
even an elevator, I'm like, I'm standing where there's like
like I could almost yeah. I like I feel like
there's times I'm like, funk, I'm late, Like I don't know,
I don't have a period.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
But like shit, You're like, I've just I haven't had
a period.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Yet in my whole life. Then I'm like, fuck, I
never did have one. I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
You're like, oh, I need to go to the doctor.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Shit. I'm like, you know, I sat on the two train.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, it's like, oh, you were Okay, what day was this? Man? Well,
this has been a blast, dude, thank you for coming out,
and oh my god, I'd love to, you know, whatever
is best for you guys to join you all again
on your show at any time. I've always had fun.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Oh my god, you are so much mon, and that's
why we want to get you on for like a
light a lighter time.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Yeah, yeah, sure, like maybe we do. Like all, if
I keep watching The Golden Bachelor, which I think I
might this time, we could do I mean, I don't
know if you guys talk about that stuff, but we
could do something like that. Or we're not telling you
what to watch, we.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Bring up well, we just end up talking about some
random ship. So let me tell you, in a few weeks,
we might be talking about the Olden Bachelor, okay, yeah,
or just like an old man who could be conning people.
So are a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, because that's not the Golden Bachelor. He's not conning,
I will say. I mean, that's a scandal.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
From ABC to CNN.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Who knows they have to heavily research these people.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
You think that, but then all the times you see a.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Batchelor always it was like wow, and that was pretty
racist from a long time, from pretty recent. Yeah, from
from like one scroll down.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah, from the Trump baro. Yeah, that's all. They're just
like we didn't know, Like I feel like that, like
we didn't know the carousels.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Somebody never scrolled past to the fourth PHOTOA like, no,
it looks good.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, she's cute.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Yeah printed, let's do it. Yeah. Well hell yeah, man,
this is It's been a blast, and thank you. I
can't wait to share the internet that some guy on
Reddit said that about my penis.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
If you know, well, maybe I'll just do it and
say that you do it and I off five of target.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah it's like, no, he does it. But it's not
as bad as its owns, isn't. No, guys, cos me like,
it sounds really bad when you read it like that,
but really, I promise you.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I'm like, it's almost dataism. I make it artistory, artistic.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Yeah it's not yet, it's tasteful.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Yeah that's classic.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Well cheers, man, cheers.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
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