August 16, 2024 • 55 mins
In this episode, Payne chats with David Robinson, a father who has been searching for his son, Daniel Robinson, a young geologist who mysteriously disappeared in the Arizona desert. David shares the heart-wrenching story of Daniel's disappearance, the ongoing search efforts, and the challenges he has faced in seeking answers and justice. He talks about the impact of Daniel's case on his family, the support from the community, and the broader implications for missing persons' cases across the country. David also discusses the initiatives he has undertaken to raise awareness and improve the search for missing individuals. Join us for an impactful conversation that sheds light on a father's unyielding hope and the critical issue of missing persons in America.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, we're back Talking to Death. It's just me
and Dylan today. Hey, that's because Mike is upstairs working
on the next episode of Up and Vanished. We've hit
that point where things are starting to meet up with
real time.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's a lot to unpack, and so we're gonna jump
right into it from the moment that I first stepped
down and know, it didn't take very long before we
started to learn about this guy that Flow was allegedly
last scene with in his tent, who had her things.
We've been learned that this person went by the nickname
(01:02):
Oregon John. Through some more digging, we eventually linked this
person to a real name, which we're gonna keep a
secret for now, but we know this person's full name
and as far as we can tell, besides the theories
that this girl Kelly was saying that talked about other
(01:23):
people being involved, but then also sometimes John being involved too.
That's the only theory running around town here. And so
we really just put our detective hats on here and
tried to find this guy. But I remember this weird
feeling I had. I was like, man, this is perfect.
(01:45):
It's almost too perfect, Like the only thing that can
go wrong is that he's not on this damn boat,
and that's we cannot control that, right And when we
got there, I hit him up on that fake Facebook
account and we learned that he was not going to
be there and currently he's at home in Ketchi. Can
(02:05):
we need to change flights?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Pivot?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Man, it was an intense time to start to finish.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, we were having just full on room debates because
we didn't know the right answer, and like, you know,
there's I'm still convinced that there isn't a definitively right
answer here. But we decided that we wanted to meet
Oregon John. I want to talk to this guy. And
from everything that I know about him, he's not going
to talk to Payne Lindsay, this podcast guy. And so
(02:31):
you know, with the police having potentially no case file
on this, in the moment for this particular situation, felt
like it was the right thing to do. Got checked
into the Airbnb and we just started pulling out equipment,
and I wore a laval Eier microphone like a narc
(02:53):
under my shirt, my iPhone recording, we had Cooper's Google
Pixel recording, and we also had this it looks like
a car key, it's like a keychain, but it's actually
a recording device. On top of that, you and Mike
were in the back behind us, just just blending in
(03:13):
as patrons, just watching, just watching, and you were filming
on your iPhone. So we have video of this too,
which is crazy. It was in under an hour or
less that we had touched down and catch a can,
got our bags, took a ferry to the town, got
(03:33):
in a taxi, went to the airbnb, got all of
our microphones ready. I had been messaging John all the
way up until that point, and we had kind of
loosely arranged meeting with him later that afternoon, and so
I wanted to get there with enough time to go
find a place to meet with him and then be
able to suggest a place to him that he would
(03:56):
then agree to. In us to have been there hours
before hand, when I first started trying to find this guy,
it felt like a completely fruitless mission. He was a
moving target, he was on this ship. I'm like, we
could go, you know, fly out to one of these places,
any of them, and it would take us two days
(04:16):
to get there, and he'd be gone. And it's like,
how do we like find him, Like, we don't have
his address, we don't know any of his friends.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was some really solid sleuth work to find him,
to track him down, find out where he'd be, convince
him to come to that place, have it all set
up and prepare to mean so much time and effort
went into it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And not to leave the listeners hanging here. We do
talk to John, you know. It ended Episode five ended
with us waiting in the bar and I told you
that he walked in and then you hear John, the
real organ John and myself and Cooper saying hey, what's up.
(05:00):
And you know, we ended up talking to John for
several hours in the bar, and you're going to hear
a lot of that in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So I'll give that to you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
There's beyond just this being a show where we're not
going to tell you everything at once. The real main
reason that I'm not going to divulge too much right
now is because this is the last week I have
before statements that are said are out there permanently forever,
(05:36):
and I know how much that can change the people
that I'm talking to in this case right now, people
who may know something, who saw something, you know, I
want to know. I want to dig a little bit
deeper into right now before those things become known, to
see the before and after, because we can't get that
(06:00):
time period back. And so I won't go into great
detail about what he talks about, but to not leave
you hanging, we did it. We talked to him for
a couple of hours and it's all recorded and on video,
and it's what you think it is, Like, it's putting
(06:25):
myself out of my comfort zone again when I didn't
have to. I don't have to to try and find
out what happened, and like, stay true to the premise
and the goal we set out to achieve, which is
find out what happened to Florence. It was a conscious
effort from all of us to go the extra mile
and really try to push the boundaries for a good cause.
(06:49):
In doing a season four that was the only way
I could do it, and if I wasn't willing to
do that at this stage of my career, at this
point in my life, with what up and Vanish has been,
is and will become, and just the impact it's had
on true crime in general, I owe it to myself
to do this, and I owe it to the family
(07:13):
of the victim that we're talking about, and I can
sleep good at night knowing that I've given it my all.
Today's guest is a very special guest. His name is
David Robinson. We went to Orlando to go to Crime Con,
which is a conference that happens once a year where
true crime fans and authors, journalists, producers, investigators, detectives, and
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actual victims families all meet in the same place. It's
a very bizarre event, but there's been a lot of
good things that have happened. And I got to speak
to a man named David Robinson, and his son went
missing several years ago and he is actively avidly trying
(08:02):
to find him. We talked about his story, and we
talked about his disappearance and where the investigation is today
and what we can do to support his current investigation
and try to help him solve this thing. Through his
son's disappearance, He's become an advocate of the families of
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other missing persons. If you want to help and support
David Robinson's mission to find his son Daniel, just go
to Please Help Find Daniel dot Com. Our next guest
on Talking to Death David Robinson. So, how you doing, man,
(08:51):
I'm doing Will doing Will's back. Ind I bet it's
been a busy week for you for weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
It has been productive though, It's been very productive. So
I got a lot done and got a lot of
resources that I've been looking for.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So tell me what you're doing here in Orlando this weekend.
What's your mission.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Here right now here in crime con My mission is
to get my son's story out. That's one of the
most crucial parts of any missing person case. You know,
get that story out, you know, getting that that name out,
that that brings resources and and everything you need to
find those persons, a person that may know something or
have some answers, you know, things like that. So I'm
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looking for getting the information out by my son.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Why do you think that's an important thing to do
in a in a cold case like that? Why do
you see so much importance in showing your face and
meeting people and getting awareness out there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, and you know, just like I said, you know,
just having that awareness out there, getting people engaged. Anytime
people engaged, that also helped law enforcement keep that case
active because once uh, the interests of the public, interests
of families seem to kind of dwin the down, kind
of give it shade where this case can become a
cold case. It's also good opportunity for new fresh leaves,
(10:01):
you know, so the information out there that maybe somebody
heard something.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So yes, so I guess part of it's kind of
even just keeping some pressure on law enforcement. If it's
in the zeitgeist, you know, it tends to be more
of a priority for them if it's in their face constantly.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That's right. And especially in Dale's case, you know, currently
I'm trying to get his case moved over to a
different jurisdiction. And with that, you know, sometimes law enforces
intend to want to move slowly. They even have sometimes
things I believe is police the cold blue type, you know,
atmosphere they have with each other. And so the public pressure,
(10:41):
the public engaging can kind of help push them alone
and make them get a process a lot faster for.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Someone who hasn't heard your son's story. Tell me a
little bit about that. What happened?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, you know, Dany, he's a geologist. You know, grew
out of South Carolina, graduated from the College of Charleston
and Chaston, South Carolina. My son ventured out to Arizona's
straight out out of college to pursue his dreams. He
you know, landing his first job with a company called
Major's New World as an engineering company. They hired him
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as a field geologists, also called a hydro geologist. His
jobs are very important, so he go out through various
well sites to areas where they have to test groundwaters.
Groundwaters is something Arizona used as a desert state. They
used to give water to their community.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
About water deep in the ground or that's right, water.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Deep in the ground, and you know, being a scientist,
his job is to help determine if those groundwaters can
support a community. So by law had to be one
hundred years of water. So that's what he does.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Okay, So he was out there doing that. And tell
me about how you discovered that he was missing at
some point.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, I was, I'm a retired military guy doing what
military people do, relaxing, and I'm good for you. Yes,
that's right. And receive a phone call from my daughter
who had a co worker of Daniel's come to her
apartment to see if he was there, and that that
alerted us that something was wrong immediately, you know, so
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doing our due diligence, of course, the first thing we
did is try to reach out ourselves, see my daughter
to her his apartment to see if it's there. He
was in the vehicle, wasn't there? Light was on inside.
So after did doing all of that, that's when I
look at the time how long it was since the
last person seeing Daniel. They says, over, it's over six hours.
That's something out of the ordinary. Daniel just wouldn't That
(12:35):
was already weird to you, That is because it's out
of character. You know. Sometimes you know, families we can
tell because we know the character of a person, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yes, so you knew pretty early on that this was odd,
and so you went into Okay, let's figure out what's
going on and taking next steps. Yes, and so when
you did that, as you started making those phone calls
and talking to other people, what did you start learning
in those first couple hours in that first day.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Well, you know, just the first few hours, and of
course I've gathered more information from his company, you know,
things like where he exactly located. But you know, of
course my first initial things was to reach out to
law enforcement to try to get at least a welfare chat,
you know, because I still want to kind of have
my due diligence there to make sure everything's already, get
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him to get inside his apartment, make sure there's no
foul plans happening going on, you know, you kind of
go from there. So that's the first initial stuff we
were doing, learning about where his detail of location that
he should have been, or his last scene.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When you eventually discovered that he was missing to a
degree here, what were the circumstances that you stumbled upon.
Where did it take it to you next?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, like I said, I was in South Carolina, so
I'm over two thousand miles away. All my anything I
had to do at the time was relying on law enforcement,
you know, and that's what just me constantly calling.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Calling station and different time zone and just trying to
I guess, you know, find out anything. Right, What what
what was the status at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, law enforcement have just had to you know, get
information themselves. They was calling, of course the job and
trying to find a little information themselves. Uh and also
you know, kind of riding in the area, up and
down the area to see if it's something simple as
him having a flat tire stuck somewhere, because you know,
the road that's outside of that desert, uh is a
very long they call it the road to nowhere, So
(14:28):
it is very long. What part of Arizona is it
isn't a Buckeye Arizona Buck Arizona. That's forty miles west
of Phoenix, Okay, so very world, Yes it is. Yeah,
they're they're very deserty remote parts of that state.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I can only imagine that that during that time period
and the initial stages, you have to be thinking that
at any moment you're going to find him or get
that call, and just but oh God, like you know,
I was freaked out. And days go by and some
new reality starts kicking in, and I just I can't
(15:05):
imagine what that would be like. Could you describe that
a little bit to me?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, you know, initially, just being to be honest, a
person of color, it was very challenging for me to
be two thousand miles away here I am calling law
enforcement to do a welfare check. Yeah, my idea was
hesitant for a quick moment to see if I did
even want to do that phone call, because I was
thinking maybe they'd go there and it turns to something else. Oh,
(15:29):
we had to end up shooting them for some reason.
And so that's some of the things that comes across
the mind to be kind of weary, is kind of
worried about even calling law enforcement. But as time went by,
of course I've been learning at law enforcement in my
son's case, wasn't I guess god days have grown an adult.
They didn't see a need to really go search. So
I had to go leave immediately and get in my
(15:52):
car and start hitting with and go do it myself.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So you were hesitant to even call law enforcement in
the first place, even though you were starting to realize
you might need their help. Yes, really, because you're black
and your son's black, and you were afraid of involving
yourself and getting some other mistreatment or something worse happens.
Rights like, is that what you were thinking?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Or that's right? And I wasn't there to observe and
know what's going on to make sure I can protect
my son from.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Law Yeah, you don't want to send somebody here, and
you've all seen horror stories and videos on the internet.
So eventually you decided that you need some outside support
and so you called them. And at what capacity did
they speak to you and how they been working on
this case or not?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, a law enforcement hadn't been doing the thing. Initially,
you couldn't imagine the first helicopter sech that I asked
for helping almost three days after he went missing. Really,
but when I found out the day of when I
found out information of myself is actually missing in the desert,
I has law enforcement to go out that night go
search my son. They told me they couldn't do so
until the morning. Because now I'm a military guy, I
(17:04):
know this wasn't true. Helicopus came fly at night and well, yeah,
that's not definitely not true. But then when they broke
the promise and they called in this day, I called.
They called me in this day and said it was
unauthorizing council. He's a grown man, can disappear if you
want to. That's when I grabbed everything I could at
my home and threw it in my car and started
hit him whist to go do it myself.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So out there, where are his things? What do we know?
Are the last places he was and who he had
talked to last and anything that was left behind that
was the closest to him.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, as I was traveling, I started learning more information
about my son. What's happening that day? I learned that
it was a hug with one other person. He met
someone out in that desert. He met some one on
some valley parkway, it's the road. Uh, he followed this
guy into that desert, they went to the well site.
So I did learn that it was only one person
and my son at this location where my son went missing.
(18:02):
So when I got to town, that was the first
thing I did is went out and stopped my own
investigation and start interviewing this person that was less seen
with my son.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So why is it that your son was with this
person and they both went out here together but only
one person came back?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, yes they did. My son had two assignments that day,
two weale sites, like I said, and he had to
reach out to this other person who's already at the
web site. Waiting. My son made it to son all
the parkway. The person met him on the roadway. I
for him. I understand they had a brief conversation, and
my son following him back into that desserk one mile
west to Miuth north to get to this well, and
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they sat there for about They got there around nine
o'clock that morning, at nine point fifteen. This person said,
my son just waved off, wave to him, got his
bilicle and drove off. And that's when we never heard
of Danie ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So that's the story. Initially, was his car anywhere nearby?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
No, The vehicle showed up thirty days later, you know.
Of course by that time I was already in the
desert searching for my son. I had searches every week
with over three sometimes five hundred people. But we out
there searching thirty days almost third days later, the vehicle
showed up in a little farther about three miles through
a little three miles away from that well site. It's
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farther into the remote part of the desert, down in
twenty foot ravine lying on its side. So it was
found by a rancher who owned that lands out there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Was that was that location that would make sense for
his car to be at.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
No, it would not. It would not because it has
a lot farther from the roadway, Like I said, some
villa park. Where is the main mad that road there?
It's further out into the desert's going out west to nowhere,
So you know it'll make sense at all?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So how do you rationalize that?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Then?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Where does that fit in your head? There?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well? And initially I didn't know what des about it,
and listen to what law enforcement had to tell me.
They told me that they felt that he drove straight
from the whale site for whatever reason. And listened to
who the only person's story. His story was that he
followed my son's track and it led out to that
direction out west. But I had to listen to that
story and go with law enforcement gave us. He went
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down the ravine and flipped the road. He had a
severe head injury. He kicked his way out the sun roof.
Head injuries make you shredgs your clothes, and that's why
his clothes, everything is wearing on. His body was three
feet away and he went under tree cool off and died,
probably in the animal got him that things like that,
He joined a monastery, become a monk. Things that law
enforcement gave me.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, what was the last one?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He said he may have just from the the detective
of the apartment suggested that maybe my son just wanted
to be away from his family, join the monastery, became
a monk. That's what I was told. That's what made
me get a private best. He can't be serious. That's
even worse. It was even worse in the time like that.
But yeah, that's exactly the initial things I have gotten
(20:56):
from law enforcement that called me to get caused me
to get a second opinion.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's why you know that about sums Up. I would
assume how much help they've provided, right, that's right. So
what was the condition of his car and what kind
of physical evidence was around there? Did it seem like
there had been a wreck or a crash or what?
What did it appear like to you?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well, to me, it's a look at crime scene. When
I saw the pictures, and what law enforcement because it's
lying on the side anytime lawful say you know what
you know his clothing the ground, I didn't know he
was like fully undressed, uh and say hey dead to
say do your song? Where bosses a breeze. I'm like,
how would I know that? He's a grown man, right,
But he said where everything is unaware down to everything's
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in the path.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He would have been naked at some point, right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then the fact that me and my family was
calling his cell phone. It was counselor ring and ringing too.
I guess it finally died. And then they found the
phone in the vehicle. Uh, you know, I thought foul play.
That's the first thing I saw.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So out there where he was. Did he have his
cell phone on him out there?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yes? He did?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And like did he get service out there? Like were
calls able to go through?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yes? And my forty nine wee SI serches. Yes, I
never dropped the call out there, so you definitely get
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Then, yes, is there anything Is there any data in
the cell phone that could give us any more information
in terms of if it went anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Else or if it always stayed there or that's so
that we just don't have. That's the first thing. Before
the vehicles showed up. We asked law enforcement. We're trying
to get them get cell phone pings. They say they
couldn't get it. We tried to get camera footge they
couldn't get it. My son had the of uconnet in
this vehicle. It's I'm like an on Star system and
they claim when they went through it, it gave all
zero gris. That's a law enforce telling us, so nothing
(22:34):
was provided. Where all the tools that were there can
give us locations and video. What's something law enforce would
claim they could not get, you know, So those type deals.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I've heard in some cases that a family member can
petition with the cell phone carrier and oftentimes they do
give it to you. I mean, you'd be the only
person you could probably get that. But yeah, I would
just try to go around those guys.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah we did, and that's what. Yeah, it's not yet.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
When you do that. I don't even know what that
process is like.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's rough. I've been meeting with some of the lobbyists
and some of the other folks this meeting, trying to
get them to release our data. It's actually my son's
phone was my daughter's service, so it's her data, you know,
trying to get it from them. So we're trying to
get some things done to make sure we sive that.
I even going as far as trying to help get
(23:28):
lost pass to both of that through these these tail
of communications departments, you know, phone companies and things, to
make sure that it's our data we should be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Able to get in circumstances like that, him being missing
and you and you see this weird scene with the
car and the clothes, what do you start put piecing
together in your head in terms of trying to figure
out how it looks like this and why this is
(23:59):
the way it is and he's nowhere to be found.
Is your mind like put together scenarios?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I could put anything. At first, I just listened, like
I said, to what law Forcement had to say. Once
I got my private investigator, he's an accident reconstructionist. He
immediately looked at the scene and said, hey, no, this
is not right. It's a stage event. He felt like
it was, but he wasn't too sure until he physically
examined the vehicle. Of course, you guys, if you know
the story, Law Force meant the vehicles found on the nineteenth.
(24:27):
On the twenty, they gave vehicle over to me everything
for safe keep and say, hey, he's coming back for
his things. So I was able to have my investigator
to go through that vehicle and he initially immediately saw
something not right. There was the damage domes terrain, there
was red transferred pain on the side of the vehicle.
There's nothing red in the desert lying on the side. Also,
(24:49):
once he got the examined the black bots data, there
was eleven this there was eleven mouse astro on the
vehicle after the crash. What does that mean after the
air bads deployed, somebody drove the vehicle of eleven miles
additional mouse. I didn't know vill because he could do
that once the airbad deployed. But that's what he says.
And also the data on the black box showed there
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was forty six initial cycles. That mean the vehicles cranked
forty six times after the airbad deployed. And so it
would be physically impossible for a vehicle sitting on the
side and somebody sitting there cranking it up forty six times.
So you know, he always had all the information he
had to knowing that the vehicles actually that stage event
was put there a couple with the person who found
(25:30):
the vehicles was the rancher. The rancher found the vehicle
on July to nineteenth. He was out there on July
to seventeenth in that same ravine because his cattle goes
through there to go to a corral, and it wasn't
there on the seventeen, but then he came back on
the nineteenth, it was sitting.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
There, and so he stopped responding on the seventeenth.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, for now, Daniel didn't stop. He stopped responding to
that he went missing. So which you day was that
that was June twenty third or twenty twenty one? Okay, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
This other person who was out there with him, I mean,
is that just not automatically who people should be looking at,
or is this I would say, I think that we're
running out of I think thinking beyond that until you
clear that it's not even where you should be looking.
It's like, right, and what's your assessment of that? I mean,
I'm not going to put you on the spot to
(26:23):
like say anything about him, but like, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I don't believe the story he gave me. The story,
like I told you, bullshit meter on this person because
he changed his story. He changed the story. Of course,
I had no reason not to believe the story is
what law enforcement gave me. Once I got to Phenix, Arizona.
I made arrangements to meet this guy in the same
place my son met. I'm right on the side of
some villa parkway. He initially sent someone else from that
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whale site. I don't know who this guy was. I
thought it was him. The guy at the really strange
try to get me in the vehicle, and he was
asking me why I wanted to speak to him. And
then when I finally got past that part, the guy
went and made a phone call out of earshot. He
actually saw that I was an earshot. He moved his vehicle.
Ford that had a conversation with His name is Ken,
the guy, and then he rolled back and said, well,
Ken said he's gonna come on up. So he came
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up there. Ken got his vehicle. First thing he did,
he had a utility truck with his hand in. I'm
a military guy, washed hands, That's what we're trained to do.
He moved his hand movements as if he was holding
a weapon inside his compartment his utility truck. And I
guess once he figured that I wasn't a threat, I
guess I put up here trying to get information. He
started talking to me. Once he did that, he gave me.
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It's almost like it was a written thing. He said,
word from word, but the law enforcement officer told me,
I mean it's word from word. But then when he
got comfortable because I used a technique that I learned
in the military to make a person feel really comfortable.
And then when he did it, that's when he changed
his story. That's how did you do that?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
How did you make it feel comfortable?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, you know, you'd be very agreeable, you know, things
like look, hey man, you know he said, man, you know,
if I know your sons, it's not your fault that
he's missing, you know, to make him feel valid part
of their thing. So that's when you start releasing more
information like something that he didn't tell lawforce. Oh I
stayed left for the tracks. Make sure I disturbed because
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I knew law enforcement gonna come, this thing gonna go
national And oh yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, why are you thinking like that right at that
point in time?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And if you want to take and I can be
honest with you, you listen to his story. It will
actually take you to where near where my son's vehicle
is actually going to be found. So I can't say that,
but I gave all this information law enforcement. I have
the notes that was written, I had the videotape I had,
you know, I have people with my witnesses that yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Built build that case just internally. Yes, hopefully that comes
into play at some point.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It wouldn't because law enforcement drops say, oh, that's what
he said, and they dismissed it. So that's where we're
at on that point there. But that's the reason why
I say, yes, the first person that oh, the last
person that's been seeing the person should be screwed. That's
third should be scrutinized very well. Yeah. The only person
that was ever in the interrogation room for as I
know in my son's case was me and my daughter.
We were put in the terrorication room. No one else
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what they needed to know from you other than it
was horrible. You know your son is right? Is that
what their behavior is, what's what's normal and what's not right? Right?
I think they was fishing for, in my opinion, fishing
for a way to say my son was probably mentally unstable,
he's depressed. And the reason why I say.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That because he had gone off and did it to himself.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Pretty much, right, He just wanted to disappear or whatever
the case may be. Uh. And the reason why I
say that because you know, first of all, they brought
us in the back door of the department. I didn't
never been in a terrogation room in my life. I'm
not a criminal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I realized I have once and it wasn't fun.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I don't belong here. There's no,
it's not fun. I didn't realize it. But they had
us sitting there for I think my daughter and I
sat there for because, of course, say you know, you
could think of anything that was odd and strange about
your son. You know, we had to sit there for
like fifteen minutes to.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Come up with me, what answer are you fishing?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yes? So the only thing we come up with. My
daughter she said, Yeah, I think about a week or so,
it could have been two weeks. He was staring off
at the wall and they put that in the port. Yeah,
he's staying off the wall. He's had troubles or something
out the other and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like staring at the wall all day in their office.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But at some point you were like, what am I
doing here?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Right? Are we yet? Yeah? You know? And did? I did?
But I was able to provide it. My my position,
I felt that I was being helpful because I want
to help.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, you want to put that on record and do
the due diligence right.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
The bank records. We was able to pull that up
on the phone, you know, kind of holding in front
of them and uh so they can look through things
the cell phone. Uh certain information on the cell phone.
Was able to show him on the cell phone through
my dunc as of her account, you know, things like
So felt like it was being helpful. They help try
to get some information about Daniel.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
This person of interest, Ken is his name.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yes, his name is Ken. So I can't say his
name because he put hisself out of you doing interviews
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Oh yes, I mean he's clearly been talking about right Ken.
When you arranged to initially meet him, he sent someone
else to meet you first, but didn't tell you that
that's just to check it out or check it out.
This guy's or something. Who was this person though? And
I still don't know his name. That's the same part.
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Someone from this company or I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Assuming somebody's working at the well site with them because
of what I did learn, Okay, is that the reason
why I was able to go to that will area
where my son was last seeing. I was actually well,
But like I said, the son Villa Parkway is because
Ken he since my son WO was missing, he was
still at that well site every day, and so I
was able to get back there. But yeah, the other
person I'm assuming is somebody's helping him out at the
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will that probably was taking my son's place, or I
don't know what his purpose was, but he's there.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Do you know much about that company? Is is it
a big one or is it like a small local
thing or a family owned joint or what is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, the company my son worked for's new world. That's
that that company is. It's not huge, but it's not
small lead it's kind of somewhere in between. My son
actually got the job because of his one of his
great friends, best friends you want to call it. In
college parents own that company, and so of course when
you graduated, they do they do.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
They feel any sort of responsibility that this happened on
their watch potentially or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know they as far as the companies say, I
can't say they donated to my gold fundment. Okay, that's nice, yes,
and that's really helpful. However, as a family, we were
really disappointed because, like I told the owners, I have
many board meetings with them. If it's your employee, I
shouldn't have had to drive from South Carolina two thousand dollars.
You should have to search, you have the resources. You
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should have called it law enforcement. You know he's missing.
You should have been out there searching for my son.
He's on your clock basically, so they haven't done any
of that that stuff, So that that was problematic for us.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And the guy who was with Ken, if that was
another employee or manager a different company, that was a
different company company my friend he knew. No, they never
met each other in life really like your sons or
Ken had my son.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Having met Ken or Kay have met my son. But
I was told in life Ken.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Works for the first time they'd ever been out there
the first time of meeting. Yes, Oh that's interestingly.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yes, kid was already at the whal site. Like I said,
before my son was coming there. My son did reach
out to him. He didn't have his phone make it
make so some little backfo I can tell by the
phone record and kids already there. So my son was
from his company's point so he's supposed to be meeting
Ken out at son Villa Parkway, and Ken could take
him to the well site where they'll be working. So
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it was only two, the two of them. Like I
said the first initial I didn't have no reason not
to believe the story until I met him and listened
to him first firsthand. You know, of course I had
to do that. I had to do it. I'm a
father the first so somebody gonna tell me something different
from myself. I was a single parent, so I know
my son. Tell me something different than what my son
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would do. He came to this website and just waved
off and disappeared. I know my son. He had two
web sites that morning. He went to the first one,
completed that supposedly, and went to that one where he
ended up going missing. He would have went to the
first one if he didn't want to go to work
that day, So that just his mindset. But so I
had to listen to what this guy said. And when
he did all of that and law enforcement not paying
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attention to his story high a change. And like you said,
he's out now doing did interviews who I guess, validate
himself or whatever. And I could look at his body language,
and I don't believe his story. It just just don't
make up. It don't add up reality, the measurements that
I even wrote, the story that he gave and it
don't even add up because of the distance and if
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things staying left for the track, nothing matches. Yeah, I
have a problem with that when law enforcement is not
taking those things seriously, and it's a problem for me
that on that behalf, there's nothing I can do. I'm
not law I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Lawful emotionally to piss you off or just or where
are you at with that in this stage? And obviously
you seem to be very uh diligent about the way
that you're trying to network and get resources, which is
super admirable, But I just could only imagine that there's
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a lot propelling that.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, well, you know, well, my love for my son
is propelling for Yeah, I'm also you know, the fat
I am a father, you know what I'm saying, that's
my job and my duty and honor to fight my son.
So that's that's automatic. That's one of the things that
I'm definitely doing it for. But when it comes to
seeing injustice and things not done, the correct way. Yeah,
it's a problem for me. So my job right now
(35:45):
is to try to encourage law enforcement, uh and just
put these things out there for them and give them
an opportunity to work on it. As you guys know,
I'm trying to move my son's case onto a different jurisdiction.
And those are the reasons why. Because when things are
not being taken care of, then I have to.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Do Yeah, if you're not going to do it, then
I need to try to get to get somebody else
to the right place where someone will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So if this, if Ken is telling these stories about
your son that don't sound like his behavior, that would
mean that he's he's he's lying about that. Why would
Kim be lying about any of those things?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Well, if it's foul play, you know, I mean it's
a lot of people if they're I'm not saying the
man is guilty and now I'm not gonna get out
like that, but were saying is uh if if he
has an involvement with that, of course you know he's
unless he just ready to say, hey, I'm throwing town,
just want to come clean or something, you know. Other
than that, you know, people would not be truthful about
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certain things.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
What do you think at this point it's going to
take to get that resolution and close this case and
find out what happened to your son.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Get law ENFORCEM to do their job. Just plain as
simple as that. You know, you know I have I'm
still holding DNA evidence. I'm holding evidence I found about
my son's apartment. They just need to process these things
and find out who was driving my son car if
it wasn't him, who was in the passenger side, for instance,
with the red transfer paint, where that came from. You know,
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things like that, is that really Daniel's clothes on the ground,
because we don't identify those clothing at that crime scene
that they're claiming as Daniels. This whole nine yard the process,
and they get law enforcement to do their job. I
gave them everything. Everything we know today about my son's
case didn't come from law enforcement. They didn't contrivet to
the findings that we have right now about my son's case.
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That came from my own efforts, came from my hiring
them my private investigator. We just don't need them to process.
We're not law ENFORCEM, but they will can go. But
so far it is that job to do the rest?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
How has the media coverage been about your son's disappearance?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, for me, you know, it's been hard. At first,
I literally spent days and night nights trying to convince
just even the local news to take Daniel's story. If
it wasn't for me running to local news anchors like
reporters like Josh Sanders is his name? And Nicole Griggs.
(38:13):
Uh those are If it wasn't for them, I would
have probably had Dane's story even on a local level.
I had to work hard for that. I had to
work hard for that. Is it took me literally three
months to get that going? Uh oh yeah, yeah, I
just get that going. But once I did, I've learned
some secret things I've done on social media. That was
a big platform for me to get Danie's story out there.
And once that happened, I was able to get jew
(38:35):
Reid from MSNBC. And the reason why I was able
to do that, I didn't go direct. Sometimes you can't
get direct message to them, of course, so I look
at Twitter, for instance, and I hit their friends up,
the ones that don't have the little I did. Yeah,
that's the way, because I know the ones that don't
have the chet marks nine times our friends or family.
So he hit them up and they say, and that's
exactly what happened. The family members of her friend came
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tore and said, hey, have you seen the story? Right?
And that's what happened to give Daniel's case a little boost.
But at the same time, it was during the time
the Tito case came to be, and then they started
talking about disparities and that helped.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Was that a little odd seeing this, you know, another
story of a missing person getting really just kind of insane.
I havenormal coverage even from any missing person's case. It
was kind of an anomaly in that way. Was that
frustrating in any way or you know, eye opening to
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you or how did you perceive that?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well? You know, statistically true that you know, people of
color have less exposure when it comes to media coverage,
that is true. But at the time, you know, a
person like me having a missing son, I'd never known
anything much about missing person's at all, So my whole
focus was about my son. I was doing that, like
I said, for the whole three months, this focus on
trying to get the story out there. I started them
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on searches at the time, So when the Potito case
came about, I didn't know anything about it. I was
so focused directly on my son. You have literally y yeah,
people pretty much literally hit me up on the emboxer
because I make sure at night I thank everybody who's
been supporting. Hey have you heard this Betito? Okay? Have
heard I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Right? You know? Of course eventually I'm going to google
it and see what's going on. And then when I
saw that, I say, oh my god. The first thing
initition I had was, oh, man, I think she was
around my son's age, probably a little younger, yes, but
oh my gosh. You know, I felt bad because another
parent going through the same thing I'm going through, and
I'm saying, what's going on with these kids going missing?
Because I didn't know much about.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Miss this probably feels like the hell's going on. And
That's what happened until my family started hitting up. My
family started he said.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Day you hear about this. I said, yeah, I heard something.
I feel sorry for. The family said no, you just
understand this thing is twenty four hours seventy and they
know how hard I was working to get damn story
out like that, and they say this is twenty four hours.
I'm like, but it just happened. I'm like, but I've
been there here for three months, so it did me
feel a certain way, like working really hard for three.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Months, I can't get it. Yeah, I can't out three months.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, but but but like I talked to I talked
to the family all the time. My thing is, they
deserve that attention. Every family deserve attention. We just need
to make sure it's all focused and everybody get the
same amount of type attention. Every case should be dealt
with that way. That's not just one case.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, I mean, it's still a parent who is still
a parent whose daughter is missing. And you don't want
to say that you should get less coverage or more coverage.
It's more like, hey, if there's cases that aren't being
covered as much, bring that spotlight over here too, or
we need to work hard to make that happen. That's right,
and consciously do that.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
That's right. That's that's because you know, of course, every family,
I mean, I know what the pain not because even
before the Potito case, I was out in the desert
with families all the time, Like I said three to
five hundreds a lot of times. And believe it or not,
you have people who actually have missing people up their own.
What's out there with me searching for Daniel? Wow?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh yeah, it's amazing. So I hear that story is
probably just hurt your brain. But the remarkable of them
to just do that. Yeah, right, that's right. But they
didn't have a voice. That's the problem. They didn't have
a voice to tell their story. And I had to
listen to that.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
You know, you can hear that pain, and when they
talk about it, it's like it happened yesterday. It wasn't like, oh,
even though someon was twenty years ago, it's like it
happened right that day, that same day. That's how the
pain for them is and so on. Like I'm saying,
is every case deserved some attention. Is none is different
from It's the same pain. It's the same pain they
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related to mine. I can relate to theirs.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Have you had a chance to meet to a Petitio family. Yes, yes,
all the time, now, yes, how's that been.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's been great, you know when I wanted to talk
to their family for a long time. You know, in
the course of me fighting for my son. And one
day I think I went with News Nation at one time,
I do a story and I guess they exchanged my
information to their family. And I got that phone call
and said, hey, say, how you doing, David? This is
this is Joe some of Joseph who just is Joseph
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Potito like my mind say Patino, but somebody's still a
ring And I'm like you and you said gab dead.
I said, oh, you know, we've been friends ever since.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome to hear. I was hoping that's
what you would say. Yes, I'm sure there's got to
be some sort of bonding that is it is right? Yeah, yeah,
And I did meet them for a second last night
and they were super cool.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
And I love their take on everything like they don't.
They didn't have to go out of their way to
try and spotlight, you know, persons of color that are
missing too because of how much attention in their case. God,
they could have just only focused on their family and
that also been okay for them to do, but for
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them to spread, you know, this tragedy that happened and
spread the goodness that could come out of it at
all around is I think it kind of very hopeful
for yes, other families.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
It is like it is you can say anytime you
can take that pain and actually use it like that, Yeah,
and think about other people have empathy like that. That's
that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yes, Yeah, that to me, it was just a powerful
thing to see. Yes, And you know it makes me
feel like there's you know, there's hope here.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
We can work together.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
On stuff and we all want the best for people,
right right, that's right. So what what are you trying
to do next? In terms of you so you want
to get his case moved?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
You are?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You send a lot of network on your own. How
could I help? How could a listener help where they
need to go to support you and help figure out
what happened to your son?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well? Currently you know, of course, after all the forty
nine weeks of searches thirty five thousand that was able
to cover the flyers distributions, the petition put your voice
to the petition for Advocacies, et cetera. What I am
at right now is, like I say, like you said,
trying to get my son's case moved over to a
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different jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Which is going for that or anything how do you have?
How do you do that?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And what I have right now is called a mail
in protest. You know, I have a lot of times
families that always reach out and say, hey, you know,
mister Robinson, how can I help? And I'm living Canada
or I live.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
In writing a letter to them and saying what right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
And then the letter writing it's just stuff they're going to.
Please help find Daniel dot com my website. There are
PDFs there. They just download those and and the goal
is to get thousands of them going to that mail
that Those are two lawforce officers every day, every day,
Yeah right, and build that box up. And what it
does is keep Day's case out there in their mind
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is also keep that pressure on law enforcement while I'm
working doing my part. Yeah, you're working in the background
on the web.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's staying just as strong, but you're doing more tactical
and just right things that.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Give everybody the opportunity to join in and help. That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
What is the website again?
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Please help find Daniel dot com? Is there? You go
fund me still or that is so also it's on
police Help find Dan dot com. It's a donation tab.
If you have events that's events tab. You got to
help in other ways. If people have skill sets they
think they can help us out with, and I says
my team and I, they can put their skill sets there.
That's a PDF button there as well. If people help
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me out, because I put out thousands fliers everywhere, you
can download your own PDLs if you want to print
them out. If you want us to send flyers, we
just reaches at us at please help find o yahoo
dot com and we'll send flyers out to you. So
it's different ways. Like I said, again, put your voice
to that petition because I am working with government officials
and every time I do, I say, hey, look I
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got one hundred and fifty thousand people behind me wanting
the same things that happen with the laws and the
changes in the systems and things like that. So that
helps out a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
That's awesome. Yes, sir, I'm gonna personally donate one thousand
dollars to you go fund me.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Oh wow, that's a blessing. That's a blessing. I truly
appreciate that, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And we'll post the links to everybody and also any
other resource or anything that comes to mind. Feel free
to reach out. There's people that we I've done a
series called Up and Advantage, and I've covered a different
a different missing person's case every season. We do like
a long form investigation and we're on the ground really
(47:20):
digging stuff up and poking around. So through that over
the years, I've I've met some people that are you know,
like a dog searcher or just different people in their
fields like that are experts that would absolutely love to
assist if it was ever needed in that way. Just
let me know, Yes, I can connect the dots.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'd love to. I appreciate it because what I'm doing
right now, of course of not just the mailing protests
to getting the case moved over. I also have other
things out to take care. I have a protest coming
to us over that that mailing protests is also ticket
size and send it to the department, and I am
going to have physical protests if those things not being
probably the promises I've been given that.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah me get this just all part of the next step.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Right and the last part is also the search. You know,
I do have, like I told you, for forty nine
weeks of search at thirty five thousand land. I'm not
searching the whole sonore and desert. That's it's ridiculous because
Daniel had been all over.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The finite amount of space that he could have gone
right anyway.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
And it's about what radius, Yes, it's about sciences about
how far a person can walk, you know, without clothing.
So all that is based on that in any direction
from the location that we know. But the last search
I have have gotten because they build and development out there,
so we have some little problems. And also with funding,
I'm really getting searched together for hopefully this fall, and
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I would need resources. When I say need resources, I
need those specialized drones. I need cadever dolls, search dolls,
whatever specialized dolls that will. Yeah. I do have volunteers
that come out all the time with their razors and
you know all these vehicles that made for that kind
of terrain. We definitely that, so I put those things
(48:59):
together every time. Uh, but I always go to need those.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, let me know when you when you guys do
that or when you're setting up for it, and I'll
whatever I can help connect. I'll do my best.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, Yes, I mean it is an endeavor out there
in the field. It just it's just hard to search
physically out there.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
It is, you know, it just is like eslessly on
the ground. A lot of people don't understand that. I
have people say, man, you know you've been searching for
a while. Not a map anymore? Yeah, another work that way. Yeah, yeah, right.
It's very intimidating too, because a lot of times we
finish the search and and I know, we cover a
lot of ground. Then I look at the area that
we look and I look back and I'm like, wow,
there's so much more and.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
You can't believe and see that and it's back there,
computer or whatever. So I totally understand. Yeah, I'd love
to throw as many resources at it as possible, but
I think, yeah, it needs.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
A thorough search, Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
There should be something out there, or we should definitely
determine that there isn't That tells us something to.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
The scary part is that we have been found in
human remains out there, of course, you know, the human
skulls and and and and other remains. Yeah, we did
cover some remains to help bring clothes for other families.
But you know, so there's things out there that need
to be taken because the soul as I have from
that is that even though I didn't found my son,
we brought some clothes for somebody.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Else's, which yeah, you would have ever thought that, right,
So there's still it's it's worth the effort because there's
it's yielding something no matter what, right, no, etually, that's
where you're going to get there. So that's right, Yes, sir, Well,
I appreciate your time today, and I know you've been busy,
but what are your thoughts on a crime conference like this?
This is your first time here?
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh, my second year? Yeah, they brought me out last
year and cool, just like last year at the Vegas
one the Vegas. Yeah, we were so busy.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I feel like I didn't even see anybody last year.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, I believe that I had got out twenty thousand
flyers out there.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Like physically like you did this twenty thousand team and
I my team and I mean that's just impressive.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I have never been in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
You know how much time did that take you to do?
We just went on the strip, okay, just way gave
it out. Yeah, people's taking them by the stacks and
everything it's taken. Well, take it back to this stake. Yeah,
I want to happen. Take it to the I feel
so great. Was like I told my team, I said,
let's take out Team Boxes. Yeah, right, let's just go
and let's go. Yeah, and just twenty thousand of them.
They just went out like that, Yes, aggressive and people
(51:15):
from all over the place. So it was really great that.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
You know, that's the best moment I think for me,
even though outside of crime Con definitely sitting on stage
and yeah, and meeting people, but that there was a
highlight for me. It is getting those flyers out, cause
that mean Daniel's stories is traveling.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
So how the people you've met backs, because you know,
it's I'd imagine it's kind of weird at first, I
would think with true crime being a genre of content, Yes,
and you know they're being fans of these murder podcasts,
but also there's people but they also genuinely care, or
(51:50):
at least most of them do. They do, and they
want to listen and help probably, So what's been your
take on that or observation just with these fans of
the true crime and you're here talking about your missing son,
that's right, and that's how I.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Got here true crime community. Of course, the podcast and
somehow they want to jump over to missing person cases
and say hey, can you come on my podcast? And
I guess I've been so many of them. Yeah, they
started reaching out to crime Con. I didn't reach out
to crime they.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Was connected that way.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
They did, and then crime Con reach out to me
and say, hey, you know, hey, look we would like
to have you out here at the Crime cond Like
what you know, I didn't know what crime con.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I don't even know what that is. I should probably
get I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yes, exactly. And so so when I got there last year,
I was like, Wow, it was amazing to be able
to see the love and like you said, the people.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
That what if you observe if people.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
You know, sometimes they make you feel like you're some
type of celebrity. You have people that come to crime
and want and I was like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Just David Robinson, you know, and you don't even know
this person, right, don't know, but it's the love.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
I'm telling you. It's like genuine like you said, said
the crime and stuff. It's like these people actually really care.
Strangers don't know Daniel, but they feel they still connected
with the story. They connected with my son and his
story and that means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
If you know, like the searches, it feels good to
see people come out and spend their own money, their
own time, and their own you know, and come out
to help somebody that don't know. That means a lot.
I see the world different because of that. That's a
lot of good pep out there. No, I love that.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, Thatt. We've met a lot of cool people here too,
and everyone really truly cares and it's cool to see
people in person and interact with them and hear what
there they have going on, what they're working on, or
what their family's dealing with, and just kind of networking
and connecting in a very niche place.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
That's right, yes, sir, But yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
To thank you again and we'll put out these links
and yes, please, however I can help, yes, sir, let
me know. And I got a thousand dollars for you
for your go. Oh that's that's a wonderful God blessing
for that, God bless mean it's a lot of paper,
twenty thousand paper, I bet at Kinkyos. That's probably not
very cheap. It is not you know, the library wouldn't
be cheap.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Well, yeah, I found some that trying to get a
little more discount. Yes, that's bulk or something. Yeah. Those bosses,
they calls they realists.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Well let's lad you up, man, let's go. Yeah, that's right. Well,
thank you man. I appreciate it, so, thank you.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
All right, we're back Talking to Death. It's just me
and Dylan today. Hey, that's because Mike is upstairs working
on the next episode of Up and Vanished. We've hit
that point where things are starting to meet up with
real time.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's a lot to unpack, and so we're gonna jump
right into it from the moment that I first stepped
down and know, it didn't take very long before we
started to learn about this guy that Flow was allegedly
last scene with in his tent, who had her things.
We've been learned that this person went by the nickname
(01:02):
Oregon John. Through some more digging, we eventually linked this
person to a real name, which we're gonna keep a
secret for now, but we know this person's full name
and as far as we can tell, besides the theories
that this girl Kelly was saying that talked about other
(01:23):
people being involved, but then also sometimes John being involved too.
That's the only theory running around town here. And so
we really just put our detective hats on here and
tried to find this guy. But I remember this weird
feeling I had. I was like, man, this is perfect.
(01:45):
It's almost too perfect, Like the only thing that can
go wrong is that he's not on this damn boat,
and that's we cannot control that, right And when we
got there, I hit him up on that fake Facebook
account and we learned that he was not going to
be there and currently he's at home in Ketchi. Can
(02:05):
we need to change flights?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Pivot?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Man, it was an intense time to start to finish.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, we were having just full on room debates because
we didn't know the right answer, and like, you know,
there's I'm still convinced that there isn't a definitively right
answer here. But we decided that we wanted to meet
Oregon John. I want to talk to this guy. And
from everything that I know about him, he's not going
to talk to Payne Lindsay, this podcast guy. And so
(02:31):
you know, with the police having potentially no case file
on this, in the moment for this particular situation, felt
like it was the right thing to do. Got checked
into the Airbnb and we just started pulling out equipment,
and I wore a laval Eier microphone like a narc
(02:53):
under my shirt, my iPhone recording, we had Cooper's Google
Pixel recording, and we also had this it looks like
a car key, it's like a keychain, but it's actually
a recording device. On top of that, you and Mike
were in the back behind us, just just blending in
(03:13):
as patrons, just watching, just watching, and you were filming
on your iPhone. So we have video of this too,
which is crazy. It was in under an hour or
less that we had touched down and catch a can,
got our bags, took a ferry to the town, got
(03:33):
in a taxi, went to the airbnb, got all of
our microphones ready. I had been messaging John all the
way up until that point, and we had kind of
loosely arranged meeting with him later that afternoon, and so
I wanted to get there with enough time to go
find a place to meet with him and then be
able to suggest a place to him that he would
(03:56):
then agree to. In us to have been there hours
before hand, when I first started trying to find this guy,
it felt like a completely fruitless mission. He was a
moving target, he was on this ship. I'm like, we
could go, you know, fly out to one of these places,
any of them, and it would take us two days
(04:16):
to get there, and he'd be gone. And it's like,
how do we like find him, Like, we don't have
his address, we don't know any of his friends.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was some really solid sleuth work to find him,
to track him down, find out where he'd be, convince
him to come to that place, have it all set
up and prepare to mean so much time and effort
went into it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And not to leave the listeners hanging here. We do
talk to John, you know. It ended Episode five ended
with us waiting in the bar and I told you
that he walked in and then you hear John, the
real organ John and myself and Cooper saying hey, what's up.
(05:00):
And you know, we ended up talking to John for
several hours in the bar, and you're going to hear
a lot of that in the next episode.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So I'll give that to you.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
There's beyond just this being a show where we're not
going to tell you everything at once. The real main
reason that I'm not going to divulge too much right
now is because this is the last week I have
before statements that are said are out there permanently forever,
(05:36):
and I know how much that can change the people
that I'm talking to in this case right now, people
who may know something, who saw something, you know, I
want to know. I want to dig a little bit
deeper into right now before those things become known, to
see the before and after, because we can't get that
(06:00):
time period back. And so I won't go into great
detail about what he talks about, but to not leave
you hanging, we did it. We talked to him for
a couple of hours and it's all recorded and on video,
and it's what you think it is, Like, it's putting
(06:25):
myself out of my comfort zone again when I didn't
have to. I don't have to to try and find
out what happened, and like, stay true to the premise
and the goal we set out to achieve, which is
find out what happened to Florence. It was a conscious
effort from all of us to go the extra mile
and really try to push the boundaries for a good cause.
(06:49):
In doing a season four that was the only way
I could do it, and if I wasn't willing to
do that at this stage of my career, at this
point in my life, with what up and Vanish has been,
is and will become, and just the impact it's had
on true crime in general, I owe it to myself
to do this, and I owe it to the family
(07:13):
of the victim that we're talking about, and I can
sleep good at night knowing that I've given it my all.
Today's guest is a very special guest. His name is
David Robinson. We went to Orlando to go to Crime Con,
which is a conference that happens once a year where
true crime fans and authors, journalists, producers, investigators, detectives, and
(07:42):
actual victims families all meet in the same place. It's
a very bizarre event, but there's been a lot of
good things that have happened. And I got to speak
to a man named David Robinson, and his son went
missing several years ago and he is actively avidly trying
(08:02):
to find him. We talked about his story, and we
talked about his disappearance and where the investigation is today
and what we can do to support his current investigation
and try to help him solve this thing. Through his
son's disappearance, He's become an advocate of the families of
(08:26):
other missing persons. If you want to help and support
David Robinson's mission to find his son Daniel, just go
to Please Help Find Daniel dot Com. Our next guest
on Talking to Death David Robinson. So, how you doing, man,
(08:51):
I'm doing Will doing Will's back. Ind I bet it's
been a busy week for you for weekend.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
It has been productive though, It's been very productive. So
I got a lot done and got a lot of
resources that I've been looking for.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So tell me what you're doing here in Orlando this weekend.
What's your mission.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Here right now here in crime con My mission is
to get my son's story out. That's one of the
most crucial parts of any missing person case. You know,
get that story out, you know, getting that that name out,
that that brings resources and and everything you need to
find those persons, a person that may know something or
have some answers, you know, things like that. So I'm
(09:28):
looking for getting the information out by my son.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Why do you think that's an important thing to do
in a in a cold case like that? Why do
you see so much importance in showing your face and
meeting people and getting awareness out there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, and you know, just like I said, you know,
just having that awareness out there, getting people engaged. Anytime
people engaged, that also helped law enforcement keep that case
active because once uh, the interests of the public, interests
of families seem to kind of dwin the down, kind
of give it shade where this case can become a
cold case. It's also good opportunity for new fresh leaves,
(10:01):
you know, so the information out there that maybe somebody
heard something.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So yes, so I guess part of it's kind of
even just keeping some pressure on law enforcement. If it's
in the zeitgeist, you know, it tends to be more
of a priority for them if it's in their face constantly.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That's right. And especially in Dale's case, you know, currently
I'm trying to get his case moved over to a
different jurisdiction. And with that, you know, sometimes law enforces
intend to want to move slowly. They even have sometimes
things I believe is police the cold blue type, you know,
atmosphere they have with each other. And so the public pressure,
(10:41):
the public engaging can kind of help push them alone
and make them get a process a lot faster for.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Someone who hasn't heard your son's story. Tell me a
little bit about that. What happened?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, you know, Dany, he's a geologist. You know, grew
out of South Carolina, graduated from the College of Charleston
and Chaston, South Carolina. My son ventured out to Arizona's
straight out out of college to pursue his dreams. He
you know, landing his first job with a company called
Major's New World as an engineering company. They hired him
(11:16):
as a field geologists, also called a hydro geologist. His
jobs are very important, so he go out through various
well sites to areas where they have to test groundwaters.
Groundwaters is something Arizona used as a desert state. They
used to give water to their community.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
About water deep in the ground or that's right, water.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Deep in the ground, and you know, being a scientist,
his job is to help determine if those groundwaters can
support a community. So by law had to be one
hundred years of water. So that's what he does.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Okay, So he was out there doing that. And tell
me about how you discovered that he was missing at
some point.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, I was, I'm a retired military guy doing what
military people do, relaxing, and I'm good for you. Yes,
that's right. And receive a phone call from my daughter
who had a co worker of Daniel's come to her
apartment to see if he was there, and that that
alerted us that something was wrong immediately, you know, so
(12:13):
doing our due diligence, of course, the first thing we
did is try to reach out ourselves, see my daughter
to her his apartment to see if it's there. He
was in the vehicle, wasn't there? Light was on inside.
So after did doing all of that, that's when I
look at the time how long it was since the
last person seeing Daniel. They says, over, it's over six hours.
That's something out of the ordinary. Daniel just wouldn't That
(12:35):
was already weird to you, That is because it's out
of character. You know. Sometimes you know, families we can
tell because we know the character of a person, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yes, so you knew pretty early on that this was odd,
and so you went into Okay, let's figure out what's
going on and taking next steps. Yes, and so when
you did that, as you started making those phone calls
and talking to other people, what did you start learning
in those first couple hours in that first day.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Well, you know, just the first few hours, and of
course I've gathered more information from his company, you know,
things like where he exactly located. But you know, of
course my first initial things was to reach out to
law enforcement to try to get at least a welfare chat,
you know, because I still want to kind of have
my due diligence there to make sure everything's already, get
(13:22):
him to get inside his apartment, make sure there's no
foul plans happening going on, you know, you kind of
go from there. So that's the first initial stuff we
were doing, learning about where his detail of location that
he should have been, or his last scene.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
When you eventually discovered that he was missing to a
degree here, what were the circumstances that you stumbled upon.
Where did it take it to you next?
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Well, like I said, I was in South Carolina, so
I'm over two thousand miles away. All my anything I
had to do at the time was relying on law enforcement,
you know, and that's what just me constantly calling.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Calling station and different time zone and just trying to
I guess, you know, find out anything. Right, What what
what was the status at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, law enforcement have just had to you know, get
information themselves. They was calling, of course the job and
trying to find a little information themselves. Uh and also
you know, kind of riding in the area, up and
down the area to see if it's something simple as
him having a flat tire stuck somewhere, because you know,
the road that's outside of that desert, uh is a
very long they call it the road to nowhere, So
(14:28):
it is very long. What part of Arizona is it
isn't a Buckeye Arizona Buck Arizona. That's forty miles west
of Phoenix, Okay, so very world, Yes it is. Yeah,
they're they're very deserty remote parts of that state.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I can only imagine that that during that time period
and the initial stages, you have to be thinking that
at any moment you're going to find him or get
that call, and just but oh God, like you know,
I was freaked out. And days go by and some
new reality starts kicking in, and I just I can't
(15:05):
imagine what that would be like. Could you describe that
a little bit to me?
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Well, you know, initially, just being to be honest, a
person of color, it was very challenging for me to
be two thousand miles away here I am calling law
enforcement to do a welfare check. Yeah, my idea was
hesitant for a quick moment to see if I did
even want to do that phone call, because I was
thinking maybe they'd go there and it turns to something else. Oh,
(15:29):
we had to end up shooting them for some reason.
And so that's some of the things that comes across
the mind to be kind of weary, is kind of
worried about even calling law enforcement. But as time went by,
of course I've been learning at law enforcement in my
son's case, wasn't I guess god days have grown an adult.
They didn't see a need to really go search. So
I had to go leave immediately and get in my
(15:52):
car and start hitting with and go do it myself.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
So you were hesitant to even call law enforcement in
the first place, even though you were starting to realize
you might need their help. Yes, really, because you're black
and your son's black, and you were afraid of involving
yourself and getting some other mistreatment or something worse happens.
Rights like, is that what you were thinking?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Or that's right? And I wasn't there to observe and
know what's going on to make sure I can protect
my son from.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Law Yeah, you don't want to send somebody here, and
you've all seen horror stories and videos on the internet.
So eventually you decided that you need some outside support
and so you called them. And at what capacity did
they speak to you and how they been working on
this case or not?
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Well, a law enforcement hadn't been doing the thing. Initially,
you couldn't imagine the first helicopter sech that I asked
for helping almost three days after he went missing. Really,
but when I found out the day of when I
found out information of myself is actually missing in the desert,
I has law enforcement to go out that night go
search my son. They told me they couldn't do so
until the morning. Because now I'm a military guy, I
(17:04):
know this wasn't true. Helicopus came fly at night and well, yeah,
that's not definitely not true. But then when they broke
the promise and they called in this day, I called.
They called me in this day and said it was
unauthorizing council. He's a grown man, can disappear if you
want to. That's when I grabbed everything I could at
my home and threw it in my car and started
hit him whist to go do it myself.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So out there, where are his things? What do we know?
Are the last places he was and who he had
talked to last and anything that was left behind that
was the closest to him.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, as I was traveling, I started learning more information
about my son. What's happening that day? I learned that
it was a hug with one other person. He met
someone out in that desert. He met some one on
some valley parkway, it's the road. Uh, he followed this
guy into that desert, they went to the well site.
So I did learn that it was only one person
and my son at this location where my son went missing.
(18:02):
So when I got to town, that was the first
thing I did is went out and stopped my own
investigation and start interviewing this person that was less seen
with my son.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
So why is it that your son was with this
person and they both went out here together but only
one person came back?
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well, yes they did. My son had two assignments that day,
two weale sites, like I said, and he had to
reach out to this other person who's already at the
web site. Waiting. My son made it to son all
the parkway. The person met him on the roadway. I
for him. I understand they had a brief conversation, and
my son following him back into that desserk one mile
west to Miuth north to get to this well, and
(18:42):
they sat there for about They got there around nine
o'clock that morning, at nine point fifteen. This person said,
my son just waved off, wave to him, got his
bilicle and drove off. And that's when we never heard
of Danie ever again.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
So that's the story. Initially, was his car anywhere nearby?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
No, The vehicle showed up thirty days later, you know.
Of course by that time I was already in the
desert searching for my son. I had searches every week
with over three sometimes five hundred people. But we out
there searching thirty days almost third days later, the vehicle
showed up in a little farther about three miles through
a little three miles away from that well site. It's
(19:21):
farther into the remote part of the desert, down in
twenty foot ravine lying on its side. So it was
found by a rancher who owned that lands out there.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Was that was that location that would make sense for
his car to be at.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
No, it would not. It would not because it has
a lot farther from the roadway, Like I said, some
villa park. Where is the main mad that road there?
It's further out into the desert's going out west to nowhere,
So you know it'll make sense at all?
Speaker 1 (19:47):
So how do you rationalize that?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Then?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Where does that fit in your head? There?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Well? And initially I didn't know what des about it,
and listen to what law enforcement had to tell me.
They told me that they felt that he drove straight
from the whale site for whatever reason. And listened to
who the only person's story. His story was that he
followed my son's track and it led out to that
direction out west. But I had to listen to that
story and go with law enforcement gave us. He went
(20:13):
down the ravine and flipped the road. He had a
severe head injury. He kicked his way out the sun roof.
Head injuries make you shredgs your clothes, and that's why
his clothes, everything is wearing on. His body was three
feet away and he went under tree cool off and died,
probably in the animal got him that things like that,
He joined a monastery, become a monk. Things that law
enforcement gave me.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, what was the last one?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He said he may have just from the the detective
of the apartment suggested that maybe my son just wanted
to be away from his family, join the monastery, became
a monk. That's what I was told. That's what made
me get a private best. He can't be serious. That's
even worse. It was even worse in the time like that.
But yeah, that's exactly the initial things I have gotten
(20:56):
from law enforcement that called me to get caused me
to get a second opinion.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
That's why you know that about sums Up. I would
assume how much help they've provided, right, that's right. So
what was the condition of his car and what kind
of physical evidence was around there? Did it seem like
there had been a wreck or a crash or what?
What did it appear like to you?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Well, to me, it's a look at crime scene. When
I saw the pictures, and what law enforcement because it's
lying on the side anytime lawful say you know what
you know his clothing the ground, I didn't know he
was like fully undressed, uh and say hey dead to
say do your song? Where bosses a breeze. I'm like,
how would I know that? He's a grown man, right,
But he said where everything is unaware down to everything's
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in the path.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
He would have been naked at some point, right.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then the fact that me and my family was
calling his cell phone. It was counselor ring and ringing too.
I guess it finally died. And then they found the
phone in the vehicle. Uh, you know, I thought foul play.
That's the first thing I saw.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
So out there where he was. Did he have his
cell phone on him out there?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yes? He did?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And like did he get service out there? Like were
calls able to go through?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yes? And my forty nine wee SI serches. Yes, I
never dropped the call out there, so you definitely get
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Then, yes, is there anything Is there any data in
the cell phone that could give us any more information
in terms of if it went anywhere.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Else or if it always stayed there or that's so
that we just don't have. That's the first thing. Before
the vehicles showed up. We asked law enforcement. We're trying
to get them get cell phone pings. They say they
couldn't get it. We tried to get camera footge they
couldn't get it. My son had the of uconnet in
this vehicle. It's I'm like an on Star system and
they claim when they went through it, it gave all
zero gris. That's a law enforce telling us, so nothing
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was provided. Where all the tools that were there can
give us locations and video. What's something law enforce would
claim they could not get, you know, So those type deals.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I've heard in some cases that a family member can
petition with the cell phone carrier and oftentimes they do
give it to you. I mean, you'd be the only
person you could probably get that. But yeah, I would
just try to go around those guys.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah we did, and that's what. Yeah, it's not yet.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
When you do that. I don't even know what that
process is like.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
It's rough. I've been meeting with some of the lobbyists
and some of the other folks this meeting, trying to
get them to release our data. It's actually my son's
phone was my daughter's service, so it's her data, you know,
trying to get it from them. So we're trying to
get some things done to make sure we sive that.
I even going as far as trying to help get
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lost pass to both of that through these these tail
of communications departments, you know, phone companies and things, to
make sure that it's our data we should be.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Able to get in circumstances like that, him being missing
and you and you see this weird scene with the
car and the clothes, what do you start put piecing
together in your head in terms of trying to figure
out how it looks like this and why this is
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the way it is and he's nowhere to be found.
Is your mind like put together scenarios?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I could put anything. At first, I just listened, like
I said, to what law Forcement had to say. Once
I got my private investigator, he's an accident reconstructionist. He
immediately looked at the scene and said, hey, no, this
is not right. It's a stage event. He felt like
it was, but he wasn't too sure until he physically
examined the vehicle. Of course, you guys, if you know
the story, Law Force meant the vehicles found on the nineteenth.
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On the twenty, they gave vehicle over to me everything
for safe keep and say, hey, he's coming back for
his things. So I was able to have my investigator
to go through that vehicle and he initially immediately saw
something not right. There was the damage domes terrain, there
was red transferred pain on the side of the vehicle.
There's nothing red in the desert lying on the side. Also,
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once he got the examined the black bots data, there
was eleven this there was eleven mouse astro on the
vehicle after the crash. What does that mean after the
air bads deployed, somebody drove the vehicle of eleven miles
additional mouse. I didn't know vill because he could do
that once the airbad deployed. But that's what he says.
And also the data on the black box showed there
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was forty six initial cycles. That mean the vehicles cranked
forty six times after the airbad deployed. And so it
would be physically impossible for a vehicle sitting on the
side and somebody sitting there cranking it up forty six times.
So you know, he always had all the information he
had to knowing that the vehicles actually that stage event
was put there a couple with the person who found
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the vehicles was the rancher. The rancher found the vehicle
on July to nineteenth. He was out there on July
to seventeenth in that same ravine because his cattle goes
through there to go to a corral, and it wasn't
there on the seventeen, but then he came back on
the nineteenth, it was sitting.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
There, and so he stopped responding on the seventeenth.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Well, for now, Daniel didn't stop. He stopped responding to
that he went missing. So which you day was that
that was June twenty third or twenty twenty one? Okay, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
This other person who was out there with him, I mean,
is that just not automatically who people should be looking at,
or is this I would say, I think that we're
running out of I think thinking beyond that until you
clear that it's not even where you should be looking.
It's like, right, and what's your assessment of that? I mean,
I'm not going to put you on the spot to
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like say anything about him, but like, what's going on.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
I don't believe the story he gave me. The story,
like I told you, bullshit meter on this person because
he changed his story. He changed the story. Of course,
I had no reason not to believe the story is
what law enforcement gave me. Once I got to Phenix, Arizona.
I made arrangements to meet this guy in the same
place my son met. I'm right on the side of
some villa parkway. He initially sent someone else from that
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whale site. I don't know who this guy was. I
thought it was him. The guy at the really strange
try to get me in the vehicle, and he was
asking me why I wanted to speak to him. And
then when I finally got past that part, the guy
went and made a phone call out of earshot. He
actually saw that I was an earshot. He moved his vehicle.
Ford that had a conversation with His name is Ken,
the guy, and then he rolled back and said, well,
Ken said he's gonna come on up. So he came
(27:12):
up there. Ken got his vehicle. First thing he did,
he had a utility truck with his hand in. I'm
a military guy, washed hands, That's what we're trained to do.
He moved his hand movements as if he was holding
a weapon inside his compartment his utility truck. And I
guess once he figured that I wasn't a threat, I
guess I put up here trying to get information. He
started talking to me. Once he did that, he gave me.
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It's almost like it was a written thing. He said,
word from word, but the law enforcement officer told me,
I mean it's word from word. But then when he
got comfortable because I used a technique that I learned
in the military to make a person feel really comfortable.
And then when he did it, that's when he changed
his story. That's how did you do that?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
How did you make it feel comfortable?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Well, you know, you'd be very agreeable, you know, things
like look, hey man, you know he said, man, you know,
if I know your sons, it's not your fault that
he's missing, you know, to make him feel valid part
of their thing. So that's when you start releasing more
information like something that he didn't tell lawforce. Oh I
stayed left for the tracks. Make sure I disturbed because
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I knew law enforcement gonna come, this thing gonna go
national And oh yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, why are you thinking like that right at that
point in time?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And if you want to take and I can be
honest with you, you listen to his story. It will
actually take you to where near where my son's vehicle
is actually going to be found. So I can't say that,
but I gave all this information law enforcement. I have
the notes that was written, I had the videotape I had,
you know, I have people with my witnesses that yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Built build that case just internally. Yes, hopefully that comes
into play at some point.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
It wouldn't because law enforcement drops say, oh, that's what
he said, and they dismissed it. So that's where we're
at on that point there. But that's the reason why
I say, yes, the first person that oh, the last
person that's been seeing the person should be screwed. That's
third should be scrutinized very well. Yeah. The only person
that was ever in the interrogation room for as I
know in my son's case was me and my daughter.
We were put in the terrorication room. No one else
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what they needed to know from you other than it
was horrible. You know your son is right? Is that
what their behavior is, what's what's normal and what's not right? Right?
I think they was fishing for, in my opinion, fishing
for a way to say my son was probably mentally unstable,
he's depressed. And the reason why I say.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
That because he had gone off and did it to himself.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Pretty much, right, He just wanted to disappear or whatever
the case may be. Uh. And the reason why I
say that because you know, first of all, they brought
us in the back door of the department. I didn't
never been in a terrogation room in my life. I'm
not a criminal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I realized I have once and it wasn't fun.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I don't belong here. There's no,
it's not fun. I didn't realize it. But they had
us sitting there for I think my daughter and I
sat there for because, of course, say you know, you
could think of anything that was odd and strange about
your son. You know, we had to sit there for
like fifteen minutes to.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Come up with me, what answer are you fishing?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yes? So the only thing we come up with. My
daughter she said, Yeah, I think about a week or so,
it could have been two weeks. He was staring off
at the wall and they put that in the port. Yeah,
he's staying off the wall. He's had troubles or something
out the other and.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like staring at the wall all day in their office.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
But at some point you were like, what am I
doing here?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Right? Are we yet? Yeah? You know? And did? I did?
But I was able to provide it. My my position,
I felt that I was being helpful because I want
to help.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, you want to put that on record and do
the due diligence right.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
The bank records. We was able to pull that up
on the phone, you know, kind of holding in front
of them and uh so they can look through things
the cell phone. Uh certain information on the cell phone.
Was able to show him on the cell phone through
my dunc as of her account, you know, things like
So felt like it was being helpful. They help try
to get some information about Daniel.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
This person of interest, Ken is his name.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yes, his name is Ken. So I can't say his
name because he put hisself out of you doing interviews
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Oh yes, I mean he's clearly been talking about right Ken.
When you arranged to initially meet him, he sent someone
else to meet you first, but didn't tell you that
that's just to check it out or check it out.
This guy's or something. Who was this person though? And
I still don't know his name. That's the same part.
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Someone from this company or I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Assuming somebody's working at the well site with them because
of what I did learn, Okay, is that the reason
why I was able to go to that will area
where my son was last seeing. I was actually well,
But like I said, the son Villa Parkway is because
Ken he since my son WO was missing, he was
still at that well site every day, and so I
was able to get back there. But yeah, the other
person I'm assuming is somebody's helping him out at the
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will that probably was taking my son's place, or I
don't know what his purpose was, but he's there.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Do you know much about that company? Is is it
a big one or is it like a small local
thing or a family owned joint or what is it?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well, the company my son worked for's new world. That's
that that company is. It's not huge, but it's not
small lead it's kind of somewhere in between. My son
actually got the job because of his one of his
great friends, best friends you want to call it. In
college parents own that company, and so of course when
you graduated, they do they do.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
They feel any sort of responsibility that this happened on
their watch potentially or I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You know they as far as the companies say, I
can't say they donated to my gold fundment. Okay, that's nice, yes,
and that's really helpful. However, as a family, we were
really disappointed because, like I told the owners, I have
many board meetings with them. If it's your employee, I
shouldn't have had to drive from South Carolina two thousand dollars.
You should have to search, you have the resources. You
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should have called it law enforcement. You know he's missing.
You should have been out there searching for my son.
He's on your clock basically, so they haven't done any
of that that stuff, So that that was problematic for us.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And the guy who was with Ken, if that was
another employee or manager a different company, that was a
different company company my friend he knew. No, they never
met each other in life really like your sons or
Ken had my son.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Having met Ken or Kay have met my son. But
I was told in life Ken.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Works for the first time they'd ever been out there
the first time of meeting. Yes, Oh that's interestingly.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yes, kid was already at the whal site. Like I said,
before my son was coming there. My son did reach
out to him. He didn't have his phone make it
make so some little backfo I can tell by the
phone record and kids already there. So my son was
from his company's point so he's supposed to be meeting
Ken out at son Villa Parkway, and Ken could take
him to the well site where they'll be working. So
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it was only two, the two of them. Like I
said the first initial I didn't have no reason not
to believe the story until I met him and listened
to him first firsthand. You know, of course I had
to do that. I had to do it. I'm a
father the first so somebody gonna tell me something different
from myself. I was a single parent, so I know
my son. Tell me something different than what my son
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would do. He came to this website and just waved
off and disappeared. I know my son. He had two
web sites that morning. He went to the first one,
completed that supposedly, and went to that one where he
ended up going missing. He would have went to the
first one if he didn't want to go to work
that day, So that just his mindset. But so I
had to listen to what this guy said. And when
he did all of that and law enforcement not paying
(34:27):
attention to his story high a change. And like you said,
he's out now doing did interviews who I guess, validate
himself or whatever. And I could look at his body language,
and I don't believe his story. It just just don't
make up. It don't add up reality, the measurements that
I even wrote, the story that he gave and it
don't even add up because of the distance and if
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things staying left for the track, nothing matches. Yeah, I
have a problem with that when law enforcement is not
taking those things seriously, and it's a problem for me
that on that behalf, there's nothing I can do. I'm
not law I'm not.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Lawful emotionally to piss you off or just or where
are you at with that in this stage? And obviously
you seem to be very uh diligent about the way
that you're trying to network and get resources, which is
super admirable, But I just could only imagine that there's
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a lot propelling that.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, well, you know, well, my love for my son
is propelling for Yeah, I'm also you know, the fat
I am a father, you know what I'm saying, that's
my job and my duty and honor to fight my son.
So that's that's automatic. That's one of the things that
I'm definitely doing it for. But when it comes to
seeing injustice and things not done, the correct way. Yeah,
it's a problem for me. So my job right now
(35:45):
is to try to encourage law enforcement, uh and just
put these things out there for them and give them
an opportunity to work on it. As you guys know,
I'm trying to move my son's case onto a different jurisdiction.
And those are the reasons why. Because when things are
not being taken care of, then I have to.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Do Yeah, if you're not going to do it, then
I need to try to get to get somebody else
to the right place where someone will.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
So if this, if Ken is telling these stories about
your son that don't sound like his behavior, that would
mean that he's he's he's lying about that. Why would
Kim be lying about any of those things?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Well, if it's foul play, you know, I mean it's
a lot of people if they're I'm not saying the
man is guilty and now I'm not gonna get out
like that, but were saying is uh if if he
has an involvement with that, of course you know he's
unless he just ready to say, hey, I'm throwing town,
just want to come clean or something, you know. Other
than that, you know, people would not be truthful about
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certain things.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
What do you think at this point it's going to
take to get that resolution and close this case and
find out what happened to your son.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Get law ENFORCEM to do their job. Just plain as
simple as that. You know, you know I have I'm
still holding DNA evidence. I'm holding evidence I found about
my son's apartment. They just need to process these things
and find out who was driving my son car if
it wasn't him, who was in the passenger side, for instance,
with the red transfer paint, where that came from. You know,
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things like that, is that really Daniel's clothes on the ground,
because we don't identify those clothing at that crime scene
that they're claiming as Daniels. This whole nine yard the process,
and they get law enforcement to do their job. I
gave them everything. Everything we know today about my son's
case didn't come from law enforcement. They didn't contrivet to
the findings that we have right now about my son's case.
(37:37):
That came from my own efforts, came from my hiring
them my private investigator. We just don't need them to process.
We're not law ENFORCEM, but they will can go. But
so far it is that job to do the rest?
Speaker 1 (37:47):
How has the media coverage been about your son's disappearance?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Well, for me, you know, it's been hard. At first,
I literally spent days and night nights trying to convince
just even the local news to take Daniel's story. If
it wasn't for me running to local news anchors like
reporters like Josh Sanders is his name? And Nicole Griggs.
(38:13):
Uh those are If it wasn't for them, I would
have probably had Dane's story even on a local level.
I had to work hard for that. I had to
work hard for that. Is it took me literally three
months to get that going? Uh oh yeah, yeah, I
just get that going. But once I did, I've learned
some secret things I've done on social media. That was
a big platform for me to get Danie's story out there.
And once that happened, I was able to get jew
(38:35):
Reid from MSNBC. And the reason why I was able
to do that, I didn't go direct. Sometimes you can't
get direct message to them, of course, so I look
at Twitter, for instance, and I hit their friends up,
the ones that don't have the little I did. Yeah,
that's the way, because I know the ones that don't
have the chet marks nine times our friends or family.
So he hit them up and they say, and that's
exactly what happened. The family members of her friend came
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tore and said, hey, have you seen the story? Right?
And that's what happened to give Daniel's case a little boost.
But at the same time, it was during the time
the Tito case came to be, and then they started
talking about disparities and that helped.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Was that a little odd seeing this, you know, another
story of a missing person getting really just kind of insane.
I havenormal coverage even from any missing person's case. It
was kind of an anomaly in that way. Was that
frustrating in any way or you know, eye opening to
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you or how did you perceive that?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Well? You know, statistically true that you know, people of
color have less exposure when it comes to media coverage,
that is true. But at the time, you know, a
person like me having a missing son, I'd never known
anything much about missing person's at all, So my whole
focus was about my son. I was doing that, like
I said, for the whole three months, this focus on
trying to get the story out there. I started them
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on searches at the time, So when the Potito case
came about, I didn't know anything about it. I was
so focused directly on my son. You have literally y yeah,
people pretty much literally hit me up on the emboxer
because I make sure at night I thank everybody who's
been supporting. Hey have you heard this Betito? Okay? Have
heard I'm like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You know?
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Right? You know? Of course eventually I'm going to google
it and see what's going on. And then when I
saw that, I say, oh my god. The first thing
initition I had was, oh, man, I think she was
around my son's age, probably a little younger, yes, but
oh my gosh. You know, I felt bad because another
parent going through the same thing I'm going through, and
I'm saying, what's going on with these kids going missing?
Because I didn't know much about.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Miss this probably feels like the hell's going on. And
That's what happened until my family started hitting up. My
family started he said.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Day you hear about this. I said, yeah, I heard something.
I feel sorry for. The family said no, you just
understand this thing is twenty four hours seventy and they
know how hard I was working to get damn story
out like that, and they say this is twenty four hours.
I'm like, but it just happened. I'm like, but I've
been there here for three months, so it did me
feel a certain way, like working really hard for three.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Months, I can't get it. Yeah, I can't out three months.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, but but but like I talked to I talked
to the family all the time. My thing is, they
deserve that attention. Every family deserve attention. We just need
to make sure it's all focused and everybody get the
same amount of type attention. Every case should be dealt
with that way. That's not just one case.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, I mean, it's still a parent who is still
a parent whose daughter is missing. And you don't want
to say that you should get less coverage or more coverage.
It's more like, hey, if there's cases that aren't being
covered as much, bring that spotlight over here too, or
we need to work hard to make that happen. That's right,
and consciously do that.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
That's right. That's that's because you know, of course, every family,
I mean, I know what the pain not because even
before the Potito case, I was out in the desert
with families all the time, Like I said three to
five hundreds a lot of times. And believe it or not,
you have people who actually have missing people up their own.
What's out there with me searching for Daniel? Wow?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh yeah, it's amazing. So I hear that story is
probably just hurt your brain. But the remarkable of them
to just do that. Yeah, right, that's right. But they
didn't have a voice. That's the problem. They didn't have
a voice to tell their story. And I had to
listen to that.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
You know, you can hear that pain, and when they
talk about it, it's like it happened yesterday. It wasn't like, oh,
even though someon was twenty years ago, it's like it
happened right that day, that same day. That's how the
pain for them is and so on. Like I'm saying,
is every case deserved some attention. Is none is different
from It's the same pain. It's the same pain they
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related to mine. I can relate to theirs.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Have you had a chance to meet to a Petitio family. Yes, yes,
all the time, now, yes, how's that been.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's been great, you know when I wanted to talk
to their family for a long time. You know, in
the course of me fighting for my son. And one
day I think I went with News Nation at one time,
I do a story and I guess they exchanged my
information to their family. And I got that phone call
and said, hey, say, how you doing, David? This is
this is Joe some of Joseph who just is Joseph
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Potito like my mind say Patino, but somebody's still a
ring And I'm like you and you said gab dead.
I said, oh, you know, we've been friends ever since.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome to hear. I was hoping that's
what you would say. Yes, I'm sure there's got to
be some sort of bonding that is it is right? Yeah, yeah,
And I did meet them for a second last night
and they were super cool.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
And I love their take on everything like they don't.
They didn't have to go out of their way to
try and spotlight, you know, persons of color that are
missing too because of how much attention in their case. God,
they could have just only focused on their family and
that also been okay for them to do, but for
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them to spread, you know, this tragedy that happened and
spread the goodness that could come out of it at
all around is I think it kind of very hopeful
for yes, other families.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
It is like it is you can say anytime you
can take that pain and actually use it like that, Yeah,
and think about other people have empathy like that. That's
that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yes, Yeah, that to me, it was just a powerful
thing to see. Yes, And you know it makes me
feel like there's you know, there's hope here.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
We can work together.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
On stuff and we all want the best for people,
right right, that's right. So what what are you trying
to do next? In terms of you so you want
to get his case moved?
Speaker 3 (44:29):
You are?
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You send a lot of network on your own. How
could I help? How could a listener help where they
need to go to support you and help figure out
what happened to your son?
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Well? Currently you know, of course, after all the forty
nine weeks of searches thirty five thousand that was able
to cover the flyers distributions, the petition put your voice
to the petition for Advocacies, et cetera. What I am
at right now is, like I say, like you said,
trying to get my son's case moved over to a
(45:03):
different jurisdiction.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Which is going for that or anything how do you have?
How do you do that?
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And what I have right now is called a mail
in protest. You know, I have a lot of times
families that always reach out and say, hey, you know,
mister Robinson, how can I help? And I'm living Canada
or I live.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
In writing a letter to them and saying what right?
Speaker 3 (45:19):
And then the letter writing it's just stuff they're going to.
Please help find Daniel dot com my website. There are
PDFs there. They just download those and and the goal
is to get thousands of them going to that mail
that Those are two lawforce officers every day, every day,
Yeah right, and build that box up. And what it
does is keep Day's case out there in their mind
(45:39):
is also keep that pressure on law enforcement while I'm
working doing my part. Yeah, you're working in the background
on the web.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
That's staying just as strong, but you're doing more tactical
and just right things that.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
Give everybody the opportunity to join in and help. That's right.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
What is the website again?
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Please help find Daniel dot com? Is there? You go
fund me still or that is so also it's on
police Help find Dan dot com. It's a donation tab.
If you have events that's events tab. You got to
help in other ways. If people have skill sets they
think they can help us out with, and I says
my team and I, they can put their skill sets there.
That's a PDF button there as well. If people help
(46:19):
me out, because I put out thousands fliers everywhere, you
can download your own PDLs if you want to print
them out. If you want us to send flyers, we
just reaches at us at please help find o yahoo
dot com and we'll send flyers out to you. So
it's different ways. Like I said, again, put your voice
to that petition because I am working with government officials
and every time I do, I say, hey, look I
(46:41):
got one hundred and fifty thousand people behind me wanting
the same things that happen with the laws and the
changes in the systems and things like that. So that
helps out a lot.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
That's awesome. Yes, sir, I'm gonna personally donate one thousand
dollars to you go fund me.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Oh wow, that's a blessing. That's a blessing. I truly
appreciate that, yes sir.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And we'll post the links to everybody and also any
other resource or anything that comes to mind. Feel free
to reach out. There's people that we I've done a
series called Up and Advantage, and I've covered a different
a different missing person's case every season. We do like
a long form investigation and we're on the ground really
(47:20):
digging stuff up and poking around. So through that over
the years, I've I've met some people that are you know,
like a dog searcher or just different people in their
fields like that are experts that would absolutely love to
assist if it was ever needed in that way. Just
let me know, Yes, I can connect the dots.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'd love to. I appreciate it because what I'm doing
right now, of course of not just the mailing protests
to getting the case moved over. I also have other
things out to take care. I have a protest coming
to us over that that mailing protests is also ticket
size and send it to the department, and I am
going to have physical protests if those things not being
probably the promises I've been given that.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah me get this just all part of the next step.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Right and the last part is also the search. You know,
I do have, like I told you, for forty nine
weeks of search at thirty five thousand land. I'm not
searching the whole sonore and desert. That's it's ridiculous because
Daniel had been all over.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The finite amount of space that he could have gone
right anyway.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
And it's about what radius, Yes, it's about sciences about
how far a person can walk, you know, without clothing.
So all that is based on that in any direction
from the location that we know. But the last search
I have have gotten because they build and development out there,
so we have some little problems. And also with funding,
I'm really getting searched together for hopefully this fall, and
(48:39):
I would need resources. When I say need resources, I
need those specialized drones. I need cadever dolls, search dolls,
whatever specialized dolls that will. Yeah. I do have volunteers
that come out all the time with their razors and
you know all these vehicles that made for that kind
of terrain. We definitely that, so I put those things
(48:59):
together every time. Uh, but I always go to need those.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, let me know when you when you guys do
that or when you're setting up for it, and I'll
whatever I can help connect. I'll do my best.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, Yes, I mean it is an endeavor out there
in the field. It just it's just hard to search
physically out there.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
It is, you know, it just is like eslessly on
the ground. A lot of people don't understand that. I
have people say, man, you know you've been searching for
a while. Not a map anymore? Yeah, another work that way. Yeah, yeah, right.
It's very intimidating too, because a lot of times we
finish the search and and I know, we cover a
lot of ground. Then I look at the area that
we look and I look back and I'm like, wow,
there's so much more and.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
You can't believe and see that and it's back there,
computer or whatever. So I totally understand. Yeah, I'd love
to throw as many resources at it as possible, but
I think, yeah, it needs.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
A thorough search, Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
There should be something out there, or we should definitely
determine that there isn't That tells us something to.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
The scary part is that we have been found in
human remains out there, of course, you know, the human
skulls and and and and other remains. Yeah, we did
cover some remains to help bring clothes for other families.
But you know, so there's things out there that need
to be taken because the soul as I have from
that is that even though I didn't found my son,
we brought some clothes for somebody.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Else's, which yeah, you would have ever thought that, right,
So there's still it's it's worth the effort because there's
it's yielding something no matter what, right, no, etually, that's
where you're going to get there. So that's right, Yes, sir, Well,
I appreciate your time today, and I know you've been busy,
but what are your thoughts on a crime conference like this?
This is your first time here?
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Oh, my second year? Yeah, they brought me out last
year and cool, just like last year at the Vegas
one the Vegas. Yeah, we were so busy.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
I feel like I didn't even see anybody last year.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, I believe that I had got out twenty thousand
flyers out there.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Like physically like you did this twenty thousand team and
I my team and I mean that's just impressive.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
I have never been in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
You know how much time did that take you to do?
We just went on the strip, okay, just way gave
it out. Yeah, people's taking them by the stacks and
everything it's taken. Well, take it back to this stake. Yeah,
I want to happen. Take it to the I feel
so great. Was like I told my team, I said,
let's take out Team Boxes. Yeah, right, let's just go
and let's go. Yeah, and just twenty thousand of them.
They just went out like that, Yes, aggressive and people
(51:15):
from all over the place. So it was really great that.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
You know, that's the best moment I think for me,
even though outside of crime Con definitely sitting on stage
and yeah, and meeting people, but that there was a
highlight for me. It is getting those flyers out, cause
that mean Daniel's stories is traveling.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
So how the people you've met backs, because you know,
it's I'd imagine it's kind of weird at first, I
would think with true crime being a genre of content, Yes,
and you know they're being fans of these murder podcasts,
but also there's people but they also genuinely care, or
(51:50):
at least most of them do. They do, and they
want to listen and help probably, So what's been your
take on that or observation just with these fans of
the true crime and you're here talking about your missing son,
that's right, and that's how I.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Got here true crime community. Of course, the podcast and
somehow they want to jump over to missing person cases
and say hey, can you come on my podcast? And
I guess I've been so many of them. Yeah, they
started reaching out to crime Con. I didn't reach out
to crime they.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Was connected that way.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
They did, and then crime Con reach out to me
and say, hey, you know, hey, look we would like
to have you out here at the Crime cond Like
what you know, I didn't know what crime con.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
I don't even know what that is. I should probably
get I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yes, exactly. And so so when I got there last year,
I was like, Wow, it was amazing to be able
to see the love and like you said, the people.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
That what if you observe if people.
Speaker 3 (52:48):
You know, sometimes they make you feel like you're some
type of celebrity. You have people that come to crime
and want and I was like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Just David Robinson, you know, and you don't even know
this person, right, don't know, but it's the love.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
I'm telling you. It's like genuine like you said, said
the crime and stuff. It's like these people actually really care.
Strangers don't know Daniel, but they feel they still connected
with the story. They connected with my son and his
story and that means a lot to me.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
How does that make you feel?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
If you know, like the searches, it feels good to
see people come out and spend their own money, their
own time, and their own you know, and come out
to help somebody that don't know. That means a lot.
I see the world different because of that. That's a
lot of good pep out there. No, I love that.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Yeah, Thatt. We've met a lot of cool people here too,
and everyone really truly cares and it's cool to see
people in person and interact with them and hear what
there they have going on, what they're working on, or
what their family's dealing with, and just kind of networking
and connecting in a very niche place.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
That's right, yes, sir, But yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
To thank you again and we'll put out these links
and yes, please, however I can help, yes, sir, let
me know. And I got a thousand dollars for you
for your go. Oh that's that's a wonderful God blessing
for that, God bless mean it's a lot of paper,
twenty thousand paper, I bet at Kinkyos. That's probably not
very cheap. It is not you know, the library wouldn't
be cheap.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Well, yeah, I found some that trying to get a
little more discount. Yes, that's bulk or something. Yeah. Those bosses,
they calls they realists.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Well let's lad you up, man, let's go. Yeah, that's right. Well,
thank you man. I appreciate it, so, thank you.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
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