February 16, 2026 • 50 mins
In Episode 6 of the 9941 Podcast, Granger, Tyler, Parker, and AntMan tackle a bold and often uncomfortable question: Can Christians cuss? After a CNN article claimed that swearing may signal intelligence, creativity, and honesty, the guys break down those cultural arguments and compare them directly to Scripture.
From Proverbs and James to Ephesians and Colossians, this episode explores what the Bible says about the tongue, obscene talk, and the condition of the heart. Is profanity just a harmless habit—or does it reveal something deeper? Why do we excuse certain words in adults but cringe when children say them? And what does it mean when the name of Jesus is casually used as an expression of anger?
This conversation moves beyond behavior modification and into transformation. The hosts discuss sanctification, heart posture, media influence, and how what we consume shapes what we speak. If you’ve ever struggled with your language—or wondered whether it even matters—this episode offers a thoughtful, Scripture-centered perspective.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up. I'm Granger, I mean, yeah, man, I'm Tyler
and I'm Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is the ninety nine for one podcast where we
seek the One and equipped the ninety nine to do
the same.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Episode number six, we've been rolling. We are on a
roll now. Yeah, I like it. I like the for that.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
If we've made it to six, that means we were
committed to something here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Isn't Jesus supposed to seek the one?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well that's that's a good point. But in the parable,
he says, how many of you that had one hundred sheep?
And so in that analogy, how many of you if
you had one hundred cheap and you lost one, wouldn't leave.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
The ninety nine and go seek the one?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So yes, of course, Jesus is the great capital s
seeker and we're just the lowercase seekers, like he is
the great shepherd and we are the you know, the
pastors are the lowercase shepherds.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, that's helpful, all right. So that's that's all I
have today. That's what this podcast is about. Explaining the title.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I was, I have a I have a signal group
with my college friends, and I have many signal groups.
We probably all do we have a signal group for
the production of this podcast, in fact, but I have
one with all kinds of signal groups with people in
the church, with some of the men of the church,
with different groups of the church. And then I've got
(01:20):
my college buddy group, just very different than all the
other groups. Go way back, we go way back. For
the content in there is very different, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The content in the my college buddy group is not
the content.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That we that we talk about as pastors of the church.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's very different unless you went to college with a
bunch of pastors.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Now even then, I went to text A and m
was in the core park anyway, needless to say, and
sometimes interesting conversations come up out of that group, including
this one that the guys were talking on there about
out cussing. And they're specifically talking because almost all of
us have kids, and so some of the guys were like, no,
(02:06):
I like to I like to play movies in front
of my kids that have all kinds of stuff on
it because it helps them understand the world and then
we can have a conversation about it. Some of them
are like, no, you know, we we don't watch movies
that have any kind of cussing. We make sure we
monitor it beforehand. And some of the guys are like,
you know, blank, all you guys, you're stupid. You know,
(02:31):
there's nothing wrong with cussing. And one of them posted
an article was CNN was CNN. Yeah, and this specific guy,
you know, he's he's a buddy. I've known him a
very long time. So I don't mean anything negative out
of this, but he said, he said, I don't often
read CNN, but when I do, it's something I could
(02:52):
blanking agree.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
With this article.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I said it to you and said, hey, can
we talk about how Christians should should feel about curse
words or swearing and how do we process this as Christians?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So I sent it to you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, yeah, you sent it to me, and I kind
of broke it down a little bit. I'll read the
intro and then kind of give some of the some
of the particulars that talks about it. Says polite society
considers swearing to be a vulgar sign of low intelligence
and education. For why would one rely on rude language
when blessed with a rich vocabulary. That perception, as it
(03:30):
turns out, is full of boloney in fact, and that's
what it says, I wasn't replacing any where's In fact,
swearing may be a sign of verbal superiority, studies have shown,
and may provide other possible rewards as well. The advantages
of swearing are many, said Timothy J Professor emeritus of
(03:51):
psychology at the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, who has
studied swearing for more than forty years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I didn't know you could do it. You can study.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just studying swearing. Uh, the idea number one? First
things first, Christians, Oh sorry, that was the.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
How our takeaway from it? Yes, we talked about Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And by the way, the title that article is why
swearing is a sign of intelligence and helps manage pain
and more.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's entire that's the title, yes of this article.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, and key points highlighted in the article where swearing
maybe linked with verbal intelligence too. It can signal honesty. Three,
profanity can increase pain tolerance. I was we kind of
go through the cycle of watching The Office and there's
there's an episode where they're they're throwing boxes into the
back of a truck. If you remember this, and and
(04:47):
Dwight says, if you grunt it'll make you throw it further.
I think people kind of think that with swearing too,
if you know, it doesn't hurt as bad if you
swear right. Four, swearing is linked to creativity, and five
it can act as a substitute for psychological aggression. A substitute,
okay for psychological aggression.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You want to jump into these.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Tyler, wasn't there a similar argument made by some self
helpers in the last few years?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Remember we had this discussion.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, Tom Brady comes to mind. You know, his LFG
thing for Let's f and go was kind of his
go to before, like it would get him hyped.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Because that's his podcast too.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Right, Yeah, it becomes like a mindset, habitual routine that
like locks you in. Like for you, for instance, when
you went on the on the stage, you know, there
was a routine and then a CDC or whatever back
in black plays and it's like then your mind goes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's it's it's showtime.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There was Tony Tony Robbins is his name, the self
helper He advocates for that. That's why he says, he says,
if you use cussing in in certain applications, it's it
makes that application more serious or makes people there's somebody
(06:10):
else do what you're talking about. That it like Gary
Vee or something. It is like it makes people pay attention.
Or maybe it was Tony saying this. If you use
certain swear words at certain times, it helps hold the
listener's attention to you. There's all kinds of so that
this article, there's all there's all kinds of these.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and I've seen the title of this article. It
seems like more than once or maybe more intelligent if
you cuss.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So let me ask a quick question before we get
into it. Then then why do people not want their
kids to cuss or listen to cuss words on songs
or movies. Why if all these arguments are say, hey,
it's actually makes you smarter, it's actually a sign of intelligence,
actually helps pain tolerance, it actually helps people pay attention
to you, then you would you would say, then why
(06:56):
don't we just why Why wouldn't it be normal that
you would the elementary school teachers would say it to
their kids.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
I think about that a lot, actually, like why in
society I think as a whole has changed and become
or uncensored with the language over the years. But like
when you're around a family that cusses a lot, and
then they're like, you're at like a big family gathering
or something within laws, and then somebody like says a
(07:26):
cuss word and then they realize there's a kid there,
and they're like, oh, sorry, you know. I'm like, why
why is that inappropriate though? When it is appropriate with
a bunch of adults because they're they're minds are forming
and they wouldn't know how to use it for good
or like what like what is the thinking there?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah? It is interesting, like why do.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
We why do we put these ratings for language on
movies on video games?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why is that a thing?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Isn't it also funny in society in general when a
little kid cusses.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I guess so, I guess it makes a viral video.
It's funny in general because or it's supposed to be
funny in general. I should say, for the sake of
this podcast, remember Chris Lee used to say, like in
studying comedians, if you a word that ends in c
K or a hard consonant like t may, it's better
(08:24):
for the joke. So you want to end all your
jokes with a hard consonant and if you if you
say a four letter cuss word, even better to land
the joke, which is why it's so difficult for a
clean comedian. It's it's so much more difficult. It would
seem I don't I'm not in that. We've had comedians
(08:45):
talk with us before on podcasts, but it would seem
more difficult to write your joke with enough strength in
it that you don't need to finish with a hard continent.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's why I think that he's probable.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Right now, the most successful stand up comedian is Nate Bargatzi,
and I think it just made for me.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think maybe it shows.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
More creativity and more attention to detail that he can
be successful, and especially watching his specials, so watching him
do his his routine that he does it without using
one curse word.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, so it really kind.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Of goes against this this study. I think, man, that's
that seems harder what he's doing right now. It would
be easy to drop in a word right there, and
he doesn't because he's not even going that direction with
with with the phrasing or with with the story that
he's telling. It's just a natural, you know, like he
says that, you know, I don't know. I don't get
you guys that read books. I mean, there's just so
(09:48):
many words, like it's like the most amount And that's funny,
it's the most amount of words.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
See, he's proving that you that not cussing, is you
have a lower intelligence level maybe so, which is interesting
in itself, Like I can't think of how how I
would think of someone that's very intelligent, like it you know,
an astro scientist or nuclear physicist or you know, you
(10:19):
don't necessarily think.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Jordan Peterson uses the Lord's name in vain pretty regularly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's true, someone is very intelligent.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Is it a cuss word? Does he explain why or
is it just part of his vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I've heard him explain why, and that when I was
listening to him regularly, was before his wife became Catholics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Do you know what's annoying to me is when people
use Jesus Christ in a derogatory like, you know, ways.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
As a curse word.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah. I mean it's not like I'm just thinking about
it right now, it's like it's they use that name
as a curse word almost.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
It It reminds me of Sorry, I don't know what
direction you want to take this necessarily, Yeah, I don't know.
Really quickly, it reminds me of what Ray Comfort does,
who's a guy on YouTube and he like does street
preaching and you'll go up to people and share the
gospel strangers on the street.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And so his whole goal is to.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Try to get people to see that they are sick
and actually in need of a savior, and that God's
not for the murderer down the street, but it's actually
that we're in danger and we need God. So he's
trying to get people to wake up to see that
they're actually in danger and that they're actually sinners and
it's not for the bad guy in jail. And so
he says, have you ever used God's name in vain?
(11:38):
And they're like, well, what do you mean. He's like,
like you say OMG, and they're like yeah, of course.
And he's like, do you love your mom and they're
like yeah. He's like, have you ever used her name
as a curseword to express anger or disgust?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
No, because you don't, because you love your mom and
because you respect her, and yet you don't respect the
very God that made you. But and you're just like,
I guess that is kind of like that and it
sounds like legalistic and so strict, but you're just like, yeah,
when when I when you when you say that, or
when you say Jesus Christ and to displayed disgust, it
(12:13):
is just like, whoa this. I'm kind of like I've
got something deep down wrong with me. This is interesting.
I don't respect the god who made me, and I
use his name as a word of disgust. And then
when he says like, would you ever use your mom's
name as a cussword?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, Amber and I will watch something or here we'll
hear something, and especially in like modern movies, that's the
that's the go to script disgusted word is Jesus Christ.
And I always I usually look at Amber, I just
out of curiosity, go what does he have to do
with that? Let's see this, you know, in this completely
(12:55):
secular idea, this well, this god godless idea that's working
in the script or whatever it might be. And they
say Jesus Christ. And I think it's very interesting that
his name.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
He has to do with everything. I know, he finds
his way in there even when people don't mean for it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, And that's the kind of the question I'm asking
is do you know.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you know that the power of that name that
you just brought into this godless conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Every there's no other name, every nawel bow.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So is the title of this podcast? Can Christians cuss?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Exactly? What angle do you want to hit this?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So yes, we'll think we'll think through how Christians should
feel about cussing, which is we've basically done this, how
Christians shouldeel about nicotine in a past episode, how Christians
should feel about online church, how Christians should feel about ice.
So that's kind of seems to be a little theme
we're running down is now, how how should Christians feel
(13:54):
about cussing?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Let me before I forget, how do you feel when
you're in your signal group with your college buddies? How
do you feel? And then how do you think they
feel that they're just blasting that curse words in there
with with a pastor? Like you know, I wonder how
they feel? And then how do you feel when they're
just dropping F bombs in that chat? As I guess
(14:18):
as a friend but also as a pastor.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm nothing, I'm spiritually speaking I'm nothing to those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm great. I'm Granger.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah, from college, the college like, yeah, you're along, you're
the prophet that you know, nobody's Nazareth.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah yeah, I've known those guys since nineteen ninety eight. Yeah,
like they I'm not special in any way to those guys,
And so there's no the restraint for any of us.
But I feel about when I hear cussing and people
want to apologize, I don't. Necessarily it doesn't offend me
(14:58):
in any way. Like I said, if I if I'm
having a conversation with somebody on the street and he
drops the F bomb, it's it can be jarring in
a way, but I don't put that blame on the guy.
If if you don't know the Lord, I certainly don't
you expect you to to abide by anything godly And
(15:20):
I don't. And I say that in a way where
I go, oh, as as I once was, because.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
When you're on tour and you had just been saved
and people kind of knew you were starting to take
Christianity seriously, they would cuss and then they'd be like,
oh sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Granger, Yes, and you said you used to be like
you don't. You don't have to apologize.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And as we've talked about before, people that aren't saved
need the Gospel, not correction. You need correction in so
far as it's actually hurting you, like hey, that this
is going to get you in trouble with the law.
You can get arrested for doing that. So let me
correct you. But when it comes to just common moral
fallacies like cussing, people don't need a correction.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
They need the Gospel, They need a changed heart.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But Jesus says, out of the abundance of the heart,
the mouth speaks.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And so you learn.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You learn about somebody quickly by how they talk. You
learn what's the treasure of their heart. What are they
holding deer in their heart? If you just listen to
anyone and any conversation, you find out quickly they will
reveal what's in the abundance of their heart. And so
to your point, Parker, what are we talking about, Well,
(16:34):
partly through this conversation, through this article about cussing makes
you more is a sign of intelligence and all that
because Proverbs ten nineteen actually says the exact opposite of that.
Proverbs ten nineteen says, when words are many, transgression is
not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent. So
(17:02):
a man with the with the discipline to restrain in
his lips is actually seen as the wiser.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So much in Proverbs is about shutting your mouth and
showing restraint.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The proverbial fool is always the one that just opens
his mouth with no restraint.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Another claim is that people who swear are more honest
and well, back to like you were asking, what you
were saying is like, I think the purpose of this
podcast we talked about a little bit of the last one,
We've talked about it in all of it. Specifically, the
last one was that this is what the world says,
what does the Bible say? Yep, And so pulling this
(17:54):
back to God's word, well, let's put all this in
and see what the Bible says about it and does
it and if it doesn't address it, we'll say that
there's no particular one this might could, but you know
this definitely does. People who swear are more honest. Truthfulness
has shown through integrity and not intensity. Ephesian says this, therefore,
having put away falsehood let each one of you speak
(18:17):
the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of
one are members one of another.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know where this is evident is where and the
honesty thing is where people go.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Dude, I swear, I do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And that's that's the exact indication of this article that, Oh,
then you must be more true.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I don't believe. But if you throw an F word
in front of there now now we're talking, dude, I
blanking swear to G.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know that the more words you add to it,
that's supposed to make it more trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Hang on, stop, we need to listen right now. He
swore to F and G.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This must be Yeah, he must be. He wasn't serious before,
but now he's not only intelligent and serious, but he's
also truthful. It's so from the outside. I can't believe
somebody paid this.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Guy to do this article, to do this all this research.
I can't believe that he might have just been hitting
a quot or two. We don't know that. Yeah, hey,
let's talk about cussing today. Why not.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, it's a it's a practice at some level. How
How can you express, how can you how can you
command attention and express clarity and truthfulness or humor without cussing. Well,
(19:43):
that's something that it takes practice. It conviction from the
Bible will begin the process. But then that you know
that fancy that fancy Bible word sanctification is the process
of being carved and shaped and formed into the image
of Christ. Then that's a lifelong process. And as the
(20:03):
conviction from the Bible, from the word drives us to
obedience out of joy for the Lord because we love
him and we want to keep his commandments, it doesn't
immediately fix the problem because it's the habit is still
in you, and the overflow of your heart is still
the world that's not out. So it takes a while.
(20:25):
It takes restraint and practice before those words aren't your
go to?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, what are you serious, dude?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I swear it's usually if that's the go to, it
takes it takes a while to go what else would
I say in that situation? To be have just as
much clarity, just as much intensity, and just as much truth,
How could I say? How could I reword that? And
the Lord's the one that rearranges that kind of desire.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I think it's more about actions than words.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Hell, so what do you mean?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, doing what you say you're going to do building
up that reputation of trust and integrity of somebody, It
does that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So knowing that next time you say that, you don't
have to say you swear, you say I will and
they know you will.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
But yeah, you know, all the talk is cheap and
all that, and then you can go back to proverbs
or what proverbs is saying of? You know, don't speak
a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, let me ask you guys a question. Do you like?
Because this is something I struggle with. I have a
harder time hearing it than saying it, if that makes sense, Like,
there'll be times I'll catch myself cursewords, and yeah, curse words.
Like There'll be something I'll say and it won't bother
me near as much as if I'm listening to something
and go, why are they cussing?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Is that? Is that just me?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
No? I was with some of my best friends from
high school this past weekend and yeah, he put one
of them put on a TV show that man, I
just absolutely would have loved like five or ten years ago.
But every other sentence was enough work and it was
so cringe to my ears and to my soul.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I was like, this sucks.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I told him after He's like, would y'all think it's like, yeah,
a little too many f bombs in there for me.
He's like, yeah, there's a lot, So to your point.
Yet I don't like hearing it. I mean, and what
Granger said. If I hear it, I'm not like judging.
It's like it's I don't have to say you're sorry.
But if it's like every other sentence, it's like, let
me get out of this room or this environment that
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that's where they're saying that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think what I'm listening to it like if in
a movie or a podcast or something like that. I
feel like that that is something I can control and
I'm allowing in versus talking to a friend who discusses
and that's just part of their language, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It doesn't feel that too because the friend, when you're
talking to a friend and he's cussing, I'm I'm almost
thinking I need a good opportunity, yeah, to show the gospel,
because there's there's obvious things. What's a good what's a
good gospel bridge? I can get to with this guy
because I love him and I could I could tell
(23:01):
that he's on a he's on a rough road right now.
A movie, our show, a podcast, a song. It's it's
less personal, and so you just it feels like fingers
on a chalk.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, it's like it feels like a choice though too
for me, like talking to a friend, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
A communication you're having.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Listening to something I hit play on feels different than
than the than the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know why. It just they strike me different.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's a good that's a good indication of a conviction
for what we should be watching. And I think for
sure another episode we'll just talk about what we consume
and how what we consume changes us and affects us
and matters in our habit forming. But in this in
this case, yeah, discussing what about?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What what about this whole idea of we need filler
words to fill out our sentences, like even if it's
dang and darn and and crap and crud and dagup.
You know, man, I talked about it for every word
(24:13):
he just said, have you talked about on all the darns?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You you speak on that because you're the professional speaker,
you get hired to go speak. I just love being quiet.
I don't like talking well.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Antman and I were talking on the Greener Smith podcast
a long time ago about this, and it's really interesting
if you think about stuff like dad gummant, think of
think of the evolution of what that word is. Dad
gummant comes from you just swapped the G and the D.
That's all somebody did, and suddenly that makes it good.
(24:57):
As if the technicality of the syllables, the consonants is
actually what that's the evil, But the intention of it.
What would Jesus say that in the Sermon on the
Mount when he's talking, when he's going you, you've heard
in your law thou shalt not murder. But I'm telling you,
if you hate your brother, you've already murdered him. You've
you've you know from your law that you know he's
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always getting at the heart of the matter. What would
he say about dad gummtt.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
What's your favorite curse word?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I know mine?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Anyway, Sermon on the Mount, what's your favorite?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It starts with the C and the next swits two words,
and the other one is it starts with the B.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Parker, I don't know. I'm talking about I don't know
what you mean, crumb bumbum. Our dad used to always
say that.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
My dad used to have all kinds of words.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I took a really good point though, granger dead gummet
because Dad used to say that, and you say crumbum.
And then I've also been saying, golly, Moses recently, what's
that he said?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I'm like, how did Moses get brought into this?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Or when someone says like holy crap, that that gets me.
That sends a shockwave. Even when I said that loud,
that sends a shockwave because of what that word holy means.
You know, we see tour with fo to Georgia line
and remember that that song holy, and to take that
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a word that I didn't like this from the beginning,
that's the Lord, you know, the word that the Lord
says of himself.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Back to the point earlier that I made that, you know,
when you said what does Jesus have to do with this?
And my mind immediately goes to he has to do
with everything?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
And so unintentionally we just throw names like holy and
dad comet and all that, because everything was created by
Jesus for Jesus, whether we know it or not.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, you know I do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
The other day, I was in Georgia a few days
ago and in all Benny, Georgia, driving that there was
a barbecue tournament. I saw a big truck out there
that said Holy smokes barbit, Holy smokes barbecue. And it's like, oh,
that's cute, fun until you think about what what that is?
Holy smoke, you know you, and then you go, oh, man, yeah,
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maybe maybe we shouldn't. Maybe that shouldn't be a cute
barbecue thing where where the intention is might not be bad,
but what it communicates is a lesser version of that word.
It softens the meaning of a holy God, and it
kind of it makes it cute and easy and digestible
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literally because it's barbecue.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I remember, pretty early after I was saved, in like
twenty twenty one, hearing a podcast called Ken Christian's Cuss
and he was approaching language in general, and like I was,
like every other word was the F word with me,
Like I look back at now my old text with
friends from college and stuff. For us, we look back
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and all of us us, Yeah, and you don't even
notice it at the time, because that's just how the
world talks.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's just how anybody talks.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And he quoted Ephesians for twenty nine and I just
remember it from that episode, and I only remember it
in the NIV. I know the ESV translation is a
little bit different, but it was in the NIV. It's
let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, except
that which is helpful for building others up according to
their needs. And he was just like, do we believe
that or not? Like, is a command to not let
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any unwholesome talk come out of our mouths? I know
That's what I was reading at the beginning when you
were laughing at me. So he said, no, let no
corrupting talk. Also, only let that which is helpful for
building others up. And I just remember hearing that and
be like, that's in the Bible.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Mmm.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
It literally says no unwholesome talk. I mean that, So, Parker,
what is unwholesome talk? Because you go back to Tom
Brady like building each other up when he does the LFG,
or did the LFG, would you not argue that that's right,
that's like uniting the team. Yes, So you could make
the argument that it depends on your motive. Like, if
you're saying a cussword with the intention of tearing somebody
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down or blaspheming God, you could say that's not bad.
But can I use cuss words with a good intention
of bringing people together and getting focused?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Okay, think that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So let's think about that. Colossians three to eight says,
but now you must put them all away anger, wrath, malice, slander,
and obscene talk from your mouth? What's obscene talk? Well,
what's what's the F word? What's the what's the meaning
of the F word?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (29:55):
What's obscene talk? What's n wholesome talk? What is it?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
What's what's the meaning of the F word? It's obscene?
It's obscenities? Oh yes, yeah, there's no I don't think
anyone would argue this is obscenity.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Meaning like it's sexual obscenity.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, usually in the in the sexual term. Yeah,
this word so to that, I would say, is it
building up great?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Is it obscene? Yes? Cut it out? Replace it? Put
something else?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Was there back in the Jesus time? Was there a
different word or like when was that word invented.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I don't know, I have no idea. That's the next podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
We should ask that guy who studied this before.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But it is.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It is, you know, almost understood in all languages, and
each language has their own versions of it. But if
you're wanting to create a chance to pump people up,
do you need to put an obscenity in there? Because
if you do, then that would be a sin according
to Colossians three eight would be a sin.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
It's really saying reminds me of South for Solo over
at first Form, who's like huge on integrity and be
the best that you can be. And he's like openly said, like, yeah,
I'm not going to teach my kids not to cuss.
Like it's about it's about your heart posture, not what
words you specifically use.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
He said that, Yeah, it's about your heart posture.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Not no, no, no. I don't want to I don't want
to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But that's an interesting thought though, because that's because because
of what we said.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
With Matthew twelve thirty four.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
When Jesus says, out of the abundance of the heart,
the mouth speaks, so the heart posture always reveals through words.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I love to go to James for something like this.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and James is great. So let me go to
chapter three and let me read this this whole little section.
You guys, remember he's talking about He's talking about horses
that they're they're driven by the bits and mouth. A big,
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powerful horse is controlled and driven by a little metal
bit in its mouth. A big ship is driven by
a little rudder. Right, that's how the pilot directs it.
And he says, a bit a rudder. It's the same
thing as your tongue. A little muscle in your body
drives so much force. So also the tongue is a
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small member, yet it boasts of great things. And then
so let me pick up here. This is James three,
verse five. He says, he goes with another illustration. How
great a forest is set a blaze by such a
small fire, And the tongue is a fire a world
of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining
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the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life,
and set on fire by hell. For every kind of
beast and bird, and reptile and sea creature can be
aimed and has been tamed by mankind. But no human
being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil,
full of deadly poisoned. With it we bless our Lord
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and father, and with it we curse people who are
made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth
come blessing and cursing, my brothers. These things ought not
to be. So does a spring pour forth from the
same opening, both fresh and salt water. Can a fig
tree my brothers bear olives, or a grape vine produce figs?
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Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. He's very
clear in a couple of things. One, he's clear that
the tongue creates great evil, and that the tongue produces
is like a little fire that burns the whole forest.
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But he's also clear in here if you look at
verse eight, no human being contain the contame the tongue.
That is, you should rightly read this and go, then
what do we do?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, so no human being contained the tongue. Out of
the abundance of the heart. The mouth speaks, so we
can't tame the tongue. So this is a heart issue, right, Yeah.
So Ezekiel at thirty six twenty six says and I
will give you a new heart and a new spirit
I will put within you, and I will remove the
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heart of stone from your flesh and give you a
heart of flesh.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah so this, huh, I'll hug you right now, Tyler. Yeah,
so does your brain just do that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
So God doesn't. God doesn't renovate the old heart. He
replaces it. And so I've been processing this in my
mind of like, this isn't about me, this is about God.
Like slowly, I used to be the worst, used to
say the F word every sentence, and slowly over time
I don't do that anymore. And you know, it never
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was like a prayer, never like prayed, Lord, take this
foul language from my mouth. I've never prayed that. It
just God just took it away. He replaced my heart.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So you placed your heart, which replaced what came out
of your mouth. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah, So it's kind of hard to avoid conversion when
we're talking about this. It kind of seems like that's
kind of the common denominator here, is this not.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Just what does that? That's a fancy word? What does
conversion mean? Yeah, it sounds like something out of a
cult or something.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Yeah, it's becoming a Christian. The Bible says that we
it's not that we should just stop cussing and be better,
it's that we're actually the Fesians two says that we're
dead and that our hearts are actually wicked, and that
we actually don't have a bunch of good deep deep
down in us, and that we should just clean ourselves up.
But that ever since Adam, all mankind is cursed and
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we're bent away from God and rebellious toward him, and
we can't control our tongues, and so we need a
new heart.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And let me stop you right there, because you're a
father of a two year old at home, and Vodi
Backcom will always think say, if you think that that
all people are good, like Luke Brian says, you must
not have ever had small children. He said, they are
not cute. They are vipers and a diaper.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah that's what he says.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He says, God God made them so small so they
don't kill us, and he made them so cute so
we don't kill them. So anyway, Yeah, So I just
wanted to stop you on we're all bad because maybe
someone's think hearing you, like, well, I'm not bad or
my Grandma's not bad. Grandma's actually a great person.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Yeah, we're all naturally bent away from good authority, specifically
lived out in the context of being a child. And
you have the good authority of your parents, and you're
naturally bent away from that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We don't want that good authority.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
We want to do whatever we want to do, and
so that's the importance of correction and bringing them back.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That's the circle of authority.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Oh no, you're in grave danger outside of Dad's authority,
which are actually reminding me of what you said earlier.
You were like when you're saying that, like, you don't
need an F bomb to be able to get your
point across.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You shouldn't need that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
You don't you shouldn't need to swear to God to
make someone know that you're being truthful. And it reminded
me of in the discipline of my two year old
and that it's not Now Dad's yelling now I need
to obey.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, I'm yelling up.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Now I'm going to finally start obeying because Dad's actually
serious now and he's threatening. Hey, if you don't listen
to me, then you are not getting dessert tonight. You know,
it's now I'm going to speak in a way that
I know you can hear me, and if you disobey
my voice, then you're going to be getting a spanking,
because that doesn't need to raise his voice and get
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really angry for you to hear me. You should just
know that I'm serious the first time. But that reminded
me of cussing to make people know that you're serious
or being honest.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, Amber, Amber is usually like, I don't see how
you stay so calm, And it's not because I'm I
have some kind of superior discipline. I just it's a
personality trait. I don't Amberg is like, listen to me,
and I'm like, all right, guys, here's the deal. You
either obey or there will be consequences, but you decide
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and and so you could speak clearly and you could
pronounce everything and not yell or not cuss. And I
think once people know you, like like, I know all
three of you enough now where you don't have to
get a point of cross by adding words to it.
To me, I just know you. I trust you, I
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trust your intelligent and and what were all the other
things on here that you Yeah, I trust that you're
telling the truth and that and that you're this is
coming from a place of wisdom and I don't need
you to add words to it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
And that's a good point. I hope my kids don't
think so either. What about pain tolerance, I'm just joking.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's that's a strange thing, but understandable, understandable.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I could see how yelling yeah general, but you don't
have to yell curse word. But I could see how
Fell was in an ice bath, and I just like.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That could help.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I've heard have you guys heard people say yell in
my morning cold showers?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I have to yell. If it's cold water, you
have to yell. Yeah, Well, maybe it's just coming out
of my lungs. It's all that air compressed. Well, so
insert Granger and a nice bath here.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, that's on the soundboard, the Grangers soundboard. Have you
have you heard guys say things like dude, I just
that's great, but I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I actually can't help it. I just cuss.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's part of it's part of my normal vocabulary. I'm
a Christian, I love Jesus. I don't think it really
changes anything. I just I don't even think about it.
I don't plan on saying a cuss word just comes out.
But that's actually a pretty it's pretty weak argument, because
I could say, so you're at a nice dinner with
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Grandma and somehow you you're at a job interview with
a man you respect, and you don't say any cuss words.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Or in our world, so you you turn the mic
on and you're on the radio and you never say anything,
but you turn the mic off and that's all you
do is cuss. You can't control it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Then that just indicated, yeah you can. Or at church, Yeah, yes,
you don't cuss the church.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yep, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Parker gave us the gospel and we know that that.
In Romans One, Paul says that the Gospel is the
power of God for salvation, meaning faith comes from hearing
hearing the word of Christ, and we must hear it
and respond. And those that hear that they have no hope,
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and that Christ died to forgive them of all their sins,
including every cussword, that his his death on the cross
is sufficient to cover so that we could meet a
holy And I intensify that word, holy God, not a
not a barbecue truck, but a holy God that is separate,
that is separated, that is different because he is, It's perfect,
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and we can be in His presence. Peter says that
Jesus will bring us to God. That's an incredible idea.
He brings us to God not because of our own merit,
but because of what He has done on the Cross.
Those that believe that and trust that, regardless of a
cussword or not. Those that believe him in that, I believe,
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will be changed and the evidence of that saving faith
will be in the abundance of what they speak. So
I would question somebody that says they have no problem
with swearing. They are a Christian. They cuss all the time,
as opposed to someone who goes, I know it's wrong
and I'm working on it. Those are two very different things.
But those that believe in Christ ultimate atonement are sacrificer
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forgiveness for their sins will be with Him and they
will be brought to God the Father. It's an incredible thought.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
And I would say, if you're one of those people
that says I'm working on it, your prayers shouldn't be
about the cussing.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Prayer should be about your heart. That was a great
comment by Tyler about that, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, it's not a bad prayer to say, Lord clean
up my mouth. Of course I need to work on this,
and it's it's a habit of me. It's an old habit.
I need to and that's not a bad prayer. But yeah,
it's it's a position of the heart. It's what do
you crave? What is your heart yearning for? Last thing?
Maybe not last thing. Parker's looking at something and I
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could tell he's he's doing.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But the comments on this episode, sweet, We'll finish with this.
This is the last.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
If someone's struggling with any of this, you will be
deeply affected by who you're hanging out with, the conversations
around you, not just in people in your friend group,
but what you're listening to are the songs cussing. And
you don't cuss, but the songs do. It's going to
get you. The habit is being formed. Do you not cuss,
but you watch all the Netflix shows that they're just
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cussing constantly. It's going to eventually carve you down. You're
you're going to be changed by something, either by Christ
through sanctification or by the world. Because the world is
going to speak to you, and you your habits will
be formed. So what are you listening to? Who are
you around? Are two huge contributing factors to to your
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ability to tame the tongue?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Right?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, else, do we miss anything? Guys that are in
the room. Peter presence in the room and said, you know, Peter,
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whenever he was in denial of Christ and finally caught,
he swore.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
He swore in the Bible.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, did you read it a little later the bystanders
came up and said to Peter, surely you two are
one of them, for even the way you talk gives
you away. Then he began to curse and swear I
do not know the man. And immediately a rooster crowed,
and Peter remember the word which Jesus had said, for
a rooster crows, he will deny me three times.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And he went out and wept early, wept bitterly. Yeah,
any Barton trying to find something, but you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, that's all right, I don't know if I want
to rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Yeah, that's okay, Okay, we're doing we're doing a book today.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Man, that just totally blank on that I just thought it.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, Hey, well let me say one last week, we'll
do two.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Next week, we'll do two books in the next episode.
What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Replacing the F word with.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Freaking? I think it's the same thing as to our dad,
gum it.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
My kids I've heard them occasionally because they'll pick it
up from school.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
They'll say, Hey, Maverick, that freaking hurts.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Right, say we talk about this, yeah, because once again,
that's just that's just semantics you're just dealing with. I've
just changed a few letters here. That doesn't make you
clean all.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
The only the only good one we got out of
this is crumbum. We don't know what that.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I don't know what crumbum is.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Dad used to say, got canceled crumbbum.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Dad as a strange vocabulary. That's fun.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Uh's last episode was about how should Christians feel about ice,
and Austin said, I'm sending this episode to a friend
that is running for office to be able to better
answer questions about ice when he's asked.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Hey, I thought that was cool. That was cool.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
There was a lot of a lot of a lot
of great comments and and a lot of people checking in. Okay,
I got one more or I think you This is
from Maddie. She said, I think you approached this far
more thoughtfully than most people who are doing right now.
As a moderate who currently leans left, I agree with
most of what you said. You touched on this briefly
a couple of times, but I really think both sides
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need to start pushing for reform. Our government is spending
billions on things that neither side wants. We have million
we have the most brilliant minds finding solutions for problems
that don't exist. Yeah, uh, book did you find? Did
you think I want to cool?
Speaker 5 (47:33):
So?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
This book is called I think I went in there
to the to the study real quick looking for something
that's appropriate for this conversation. Yeah, and there are several things,
but I found this one. The Pursuit of Holiness by
Jerry Bridges. This was This was from the seventies and
it's really we talked about this idea of holiness, ironically
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from the barbecue truck with this idea of that word's
sanctification comes from this idea of being, of becoming holy.
Jesus says, you must be holy. You know your father
in heaven is holy. Now we know that what Tyler said,
is you can't do it on your own. You must
have a new heart with new desires. But our whole
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lives as Christians will be in the process of becoming
holy sanctified, and so sometimes we need to be spurred
on by other believers that go, hey, let's work on
this together. And when you do work on holiness, it
is a gratifying task because you feel as a Christian,
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you go, oh, this feels right.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I feel peace.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be
doing in the you know, Bible says that God's will
for your life is sanctification. This is God's will for you, sanctification.
It's to become holy. So to act in His will
becoming holy, it's not something that hurts you. It's actually
something that when you start practicing holiness, you go, oh,
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life is Life is easier this on this path than
it was the other path. I was going to read
some of through some of these chapters of just going
through the battle for holiness, the help in the daily battle,
obedience not victory, putting sin to death, the place of
personal discipline, Holiness in your body, holiness in your spirit,
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holiness in our wills, habits of holiness, holiness and faith,
holiness in an unholy world, the joy of holiness. There
these are all and it has a little study out
of the end.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
It's a great.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
John MacArthur said that Pursuit of Holiness richly deserves to
be regarded as a modern classic. Jerry Bridges dispelled some
dangerous misconceptions while motivating readers with the passion for true holiness.
This is surely one of the most important books produced
in the past fifty years, he says. Arc Sproul says,
when Jerry Bridges speaks, I listen his teaching on Hold.
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It's not an exercise in abstraction. It is an expression
of a passion that has gripped his life and his ministry.
So Pursuit of Holiness. We'll sign it here. Every podcast
we want to give away a book that has probably
not talked about.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
It probably.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Probably not meant to be people have heard of the
Pursuit of auld Maybe not. It's something I had to
read in seminary, But yeah, so we'll pass this around.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
So comment pursue holiness, Pursue holiness. Comment pursue holiness, and
then whatever else you want to write. If you want
to write something else, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
But yeah, and then random people that come to this
video to look at it, they're gonna be like man
they're talking to they're trying to really get Granger. Hey, Granger,
pursue holiness, man, that's good comment. Pursue holiness will have
Kaveen melw this out to you. That's how we got
you guys. See anything else? All right, good episode. We'll
see yall next week
What's up. I'm Granger, I mean, yeah, man, I'm Tyler
and I'm Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is the ninety nine for one podcast where we
seek the One and equipped the ninety nine to do
the same.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Episode number six, we've been rolling. We are on a
roll now. Yeah, I like it. I like the for that.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
If we've made it to six, that means we were
committed to something here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Isn't Jesus supposed to seek the one?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well that's that's a good point. But in the parable,
he says, how many of you that had one hundred sheep?
And so in that analogy, how many of you if
you had one hundred cheap and you lost one, wouldn't leave.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
The ninety nine and go seek the one?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So yes, of course, Jesus is the great capital s
seeker and we're just the lowercase seekers, like he is
the great shepherd and we are the you know, the
pastors are the lowercase shepherds.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Yeah, that's helpful, all right. So that's that's all I
have today. That's what this podcast is about. Explaining the title.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I was, I have a I have a signal group
with my college friends, and I have many signal groups.
We probably all do we have a signal group for
the production of this podcast, in fact, but I have
one with all kinds of signal groups with people in
the church, with some of the men of the church,
with different groups of the church. And then I've got
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my college buddy group, just very different than all the
other groups. Go way back, we go way back. For
the content in there is very different, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
The content in the my college buddy group is not
the content.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That we that we talk about as pastors of the church.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It's very different unless you went to college with a
bunch of pastors.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Now even then, I went to text A and m
was in the core park anyway, needless to say, and
sometimes interesting conversations come up out of that group, including
this one that the guys were talking on there about
out cussing. And they're specifically talking because almost all of
us have kids, and so some of the guys were like, no,
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I like to I like to play movies in front
of my kids that have all kinds of stuff on
it because it helps them understand the world and then
we can have a conversation about it. Some of them
are like, no, you know, we we don't watch movies
that have any kind of cussing. We make sure we
monitor it beforehand. And some of the guys are like,
you know, blank, all you guys, you're stupid. You know,
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there's nothing wrong with cussing. And one of them posted
an article was CNN was CNN. Yeah, and this specific guy,
you know, he's he's a buddy. I've known him a
very long time. So I don't mean anything negative out
of this, but he said, he said, I don't often
read CNN, but when I do, it's something I could
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blanking agree.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
With this article.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
So I said it to you and said, hey, can
we talk about how Christians should should feel about curse
words or swearing and how do we process this as Christians?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So I sent it to you.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, yeah, you sent it to me, and I kind
of broke it down a little bit. I'll read the
intro and then kind of give some of the some
of the particulars that talks about it. Says polite society
considers swearing to be a vulgar sign of low intelligence
and education. For why would one rely on rude language
when blessed with a rich vocabulary. That perception, as it
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turns out, is full of boloney in fact, and that's
what it says, I wasn't replacing any where's In fact,
swearing may be a sign of verbal superiority, studies have shown,
and may provide other possible rewards as well. The advantages
of swearing are many, said Timothy J Professor emeritus of
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psychology at the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, who has
studied swearing for more than forty years.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I didn't know you could do it. You can study.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm just studying swearing. Uh, the idea number one? First
things first, Christians, Oh sorry, that was the.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
How our takeaway from it? Yes, we talked about Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And by the way, the title that article is why
swearing is a sign of intelligence and helps manage pain
and more.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
That's entire that's the title, yes of this article.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, and key points highlighted in the article where swearing
maybe linked with verbal intelligence too. It can signal honesty. Three,
profanity can increase pain tolerance. I was we kind of
go through the cycle of watching The Office and there's
there's an episode where they're they're throwing boxes into the
back of a truck. If you remember this, and and
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Dwight says, if you grunt it'll make you throw it further.
I think people kind of think that with swearing too,
if you know, it doesn't hurt as bad if you
swear right. Four, swearing is linked to creativity, and five
it can act as a substitute for psychological aggression. A substitute,
okay for psychological aggression.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You want to jump into these.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Tyler, wasn't there a similar argument made by some self
helpers in the last few years?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Remember we had this discussion.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Yeah, Tom Brady comes to mind. You know, his LFG
thing for Let's f and go was kind of his
go to before, like it would get him hyped.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Because that's his podcast too.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Right, Yeah, it becomes like a mindset, habitual routine that
like locks you in. Like for you, for instance, when
you went on the on the stage, you know, there
was a routine and then a CDC or whatever back
in black plays and it's like then your mind goes, Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's it's it's showtime.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There was Tony Tony Robbins is his name, the self
helper He advocates for that. That's why he says, he says,
if you use cussing in in certain applications, it's it
makes that application more serious or makes people there's somebody
(06:10):
else do what you're talking about. That it like Gary
Vee or something. It is like it makes people pay attention.
Or maybe it was Tony saying this. If you use
certain swear words at certain times, it helps hold the
listener's attention to you. There's all kinds of so that
this article, there's all there's all kinds of these.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and I've seen the title of this article. It
seems like more than once or maybe more intelligent if
you cuss.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So let me ask a quick question before we get
into it. Then then why do people not want their
kids to cuss or listen to cuss words on songs
or movies. Why if all these arguments are say, hey,
it's actually makes you smarter, it's actually a sign of intelligence,
actually helps pain tolerance, it actually helps people pay attention
to you, then you would you would say, then why
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don't we just why Why wouldn't it be normal that
you would the elementary school teachers would say it to
their kids.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
I think about that a lot, actually, like why in
society I think as a whole has changed and become
or uncensored with the language over the years. But like
when you're around a family that cusses a lot, and
then they're like, you're at like a big family gathering
or something within laws, and then somebody like says a
(07:26):
cuss word and then they realize there's a kid there,
and they're like, oh, sorry, you know. I'm like, why
why is that inappropriate though? When it is appropriate with
a bunch of adults because they're they're minds are forming
and they wouldn't know how to use it for good
or like what like what is the thinking there?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah? It is interesting, like why do.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
We why do we put these ratings for language on
movies on video games?
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Why is that a thing?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Isn't it also funny in society in general when a
little kid cusses.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, I guess so, I guess it makes a viral video.
It's funny in general because or it's supposed to be
funny in general. I should say, for the sake of
this podcast, remember Chris Lee used to say, like in
studying comedians, if you a word that ends in c
K or a hard consonant like t may, it's better
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for the joke. So you want to end all your
jokes with a hard consonant and if you if you
say a four letter cuss word, even better to land
the joke, which is why it's so difficult for a
clean comedian. It's it's so much more difficult. It would
seem I don't I'm not in that. We've had comedians
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talk with us before on podcasts, but it would seem
more difficult to write your joke with enough strength in
it that you don't need to finish with a hard continent.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's why I think that he's probable.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Right now, the most successful stand up comedian is Nate Bargatzi,
and I think it just made for me.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think maybe it shows.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
More creativity and more attention to detail that he can
be successful, and especially watching his specials, so watching him
do his his routine that he does it without using
one curse word.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Yeah, so it really kind.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Of goes against this this study. I think, man, that's
that seems harder what he's doing right now. It would
be easy to drop in a word right there, and
he doesn't because he's not even going that direction with
with with the phrasing or with with the story that
he's telling. It's just a natural, you know, like he
says that, you know, I don't know. I don't get
you guys that read books. I mean, there's just so
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many words, like it's like the most amount And that's funny,
it's the most amount of words.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
See, he's proving that you that not cussing, is you
have a lower intelligence level maybe so, which is interesting
in itself, Like I can't think of how how I
would think of someone that's very intelligent, like it you know,
an astro scientist or nuclear physicist or you know, you
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don't necessarily think.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
Jordan Peterson uses the Lord's name in vain pretty regularly.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
That's true, someone is very intelligent.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Is it a cuss word? Does he explain why or
is it just part of his vocabulary.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I've heard him explain why, and that when I was
listening to him regularly, was before his wife became Catholics.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Do you know what's annoying to me is when people
use Jesus Christ in a derogatory like, you know, ways.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
As a curse word.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah. I mean it's not like I'm just thinking about
it right now, it's like it's they use that name
as a curse word almost.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
It It reminds me of Sorry, I don't know what
direction you want to take this necessarily, Yeah, I don't know.
Really quickly, it reminds me of what Ray Comfort does,
who's a guy on YouTube and he like does street
preaching and you'll go up to people and share the
gospel strangers on the street.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And so his whole goal is to.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
Try to get people to see that they are sick
and actually in need of a savior, and that God's
not for the murderer down the street, but it's actually
that we're in danger and we need God. So he's
trying to get people to wake up to see that
they're actually in danger and that they're actually sinners and
it's not for the bad guy in jail. And so
he says, have you ever used God's name in vain?
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And they're like, well, what do you mean. He's like,
like you say OMG, and they're like yeah, of course.
And he's like, do you love your mom and they're
like yeah. He's like, have you ever used her name
as a curseword to express anger or disgust?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
No, because you don't, because you love your mom and
because you respect her, and yet you don't respect the
very God that made you. But and you're just like,
I guess that is kind of like that and it
sounds like legalistic and so strict, but you're just like, yeah,
when when I when you when you say that, or
when you say Jesus Christ and to displayed disgust, it
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is just like, whoa this. I'm kind of like I've
got something deep down wrong with me. This is interesting.
I don't respect the god who made me, and I
use his name as a word of disgust. And then
when he says like, would you ever use your mom's
name as a cussword?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Of course not.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, Amber and I will watch something or here we'll
hear something, and especially in like modern movies, that's the
that's the go to script disgusted word is Jesus Christ.
And I always I usually look at Amber, I just
out of curiosity, go what does he have to do
with that? Let's see this, you know, in this completely
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secular idea, this well, this god godless idea that's working
in the script or whatever it might be. And they
say Jesus Christ. And I think it's very interesting that
his name.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
He has to do with everything. I know, he finds
his way in there even when people don't mean for it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, And that's the kind of the question I'm asking
is do you know.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Do you know that the power of that name that
you just brought into this godless conversation.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Every there's no other name, every nawel bow.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So is the title of this podcast? Can Christians cuss?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Or what?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Exactly? What angle do you want to hit this?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So yes, we'll think we'll think through how Christians should
feel about cussing, which is we've basically done this, how
Christians shouldeel about nicotine in a past episode, how Christians
should feel about online church, how Christians should feel about ice.
So that's kind of seems to be a little theme
we're running down is now, how how should Christians feel
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about cussing?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Let me before I forget, how do you feel when
you're in your signal group with your college buddies? How
do you feel? And then how do you think they
feel that they're just blasting that curse words in there
with with a pastor? Like you know, I wonder how
they feel? And then how do you feel when they're
just dropping F bombs in that chat? As I guess
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as a friend but also as a pastor.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I'm nothing, I'm spiritually speaking I'm nothing to those guys.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm great. I'm Granger.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
Yeah, from college, the college like, yeah, you're along, you're
the prophet that you know, nobody's Nazareth.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah yeah, I've known those guys since nineteen ninety eight. Yeah,
like they I'm not special in any way to those guys,
And so there's no the restraint for any of us.
But I feel about when I hear cussing and people
want to apologize, I don't. Necessarily it doesn't offend me
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in any way. Like I said, if I if I'm
having a conversation with somebody on the street and he
drops the F bomb, it's it can be jarring in
a way, but I don't put that blame on the guy.
If if you don't know the Lord, I certainly don't
you expect you to to abide by anything godly And
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I don't. And I say that in a way where
I go, oh, as as I once was, because.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
When you're on tour and you had just been saved
and people kind of knew you were starting to take
Christianity seriously, they would cuss and then they'd be like,
oh sorry.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Granger, Yes, and you said you used to be like
you don't. You don't have to apologize.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
And as we've talked about before, people that aren't saved
need the Gospel, not correction. You need correction in so
far as it's actually hurting you, like hey, that this
is going to get you in trouble with the law.
You can get arrested for doing that. So let me
correct you. But when it comes to just common moral
fallacies like cussing, people don't need a correction.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
They need the Gospel, They need a changed heart.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
But Jesus says, out of the abundance of the heart,
the mouth speaks.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And so you learn.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You learn about somebody quickly by how they talk. You
learn what's the treasure of their heart. What are they
holding deer in their heart? If you just listen to
anyone and any conversation, you find out quickly they will
reveal what's in the abundance of their heart. And so
to your point, Parker, what are we talking about, Well,
(16:34):
partly through this conversation, through this article about cussing makes
you more is a sign of intelligence and all that
because Proverbs ten nineteen actually says the exact opposite of that.
Proverbs ten nineteen says, when words are many, transgression is
not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent. So
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a man with the with the discipline to restrain in
his lips is actually seen as the wiser.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
So much in Proverbs is about shutting your mouth and
showing restraint.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
The proverbial fool is always the one that just opens
his mouth with no restraint.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Another claim is that people who swear are more honest
and well, back to like you were asking, what you
were saying is like, I think the purpose of this
podcast we talked about a little bit of the last one,
We've talked about it in all of it. Specifically, the
last one was that this is what the world says,
what does the Bible say? Yep, And so pulling this
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back to God's word, well, let's put all this in
and see what the Bible says about it and does
it and if it doesn't address it, we'll say that
there's no particular one this might could, but you know
this definitely does. People who swear are more honest. Truthfulness
has shown through integrity and not intensity. Ephesian says this, therefore,
having put away falsehood let each one of you speak
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the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of
one are members one of another.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You know where this is evident is where and the
honesty thing is where people go.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Dude, I swear, I do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And that's that's the exact indication of this article that, Oh,
then you must be more true.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I don't believe. But if you throw an F word
in front of there now now we're talking, dude, I
blanking swear to G.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You know that the more words you add to it,
that's supposed to make it more trustworthy.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Hang on, stop, we need to listen right now. He
swore to F and G.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
This must be Yeah, he must be. He wasn't serious before,
but now he's not only intelligent and serious, but he's
also truthful. It's so from the outside. I can't believe
somebody paid this.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Guy to do this article, to do this all this research.
I can't believe that he might have just been hitting
a quot or two. We don't know that. Yeah, hey,
let's talk about cussing today. Why not.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, it's a it's a practice at some level. How
How can you express, how can you how can you
command attention and express clarity and truthfulness or humor without cussing. Well,
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that's something that it takes practice. It conviction from the
Bible will begin the process. But then that you know
that fancy that fancy Bible word sanctification is the process
of being carved and shaped and formed into the image
of Christ. Then that's a lifelong process. And as the
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conviction from the Bible, from the word drives us to
obedience out of joy for the Lord because we love
him and we want to keep his commandments, it doesn't
immediately fix the problem because it's the habit is still
in you, and the overflow of your heart is still
the world that's not out. So it takes a while.
(20:25):
It takes restraint and practice before those words aren't your
go to?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, what are you serious, dude?
Speaker 2 (20:32):
I swear it's usually if that's the go to, it
takes it takes a while to go what else would
I say in that situation? To be have just as
much clarity, just as much intensity, and just as much truth,
How could I say? How could I reword that? And
the Lord's the one that rearranges that kind of desire.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I think it's more about actions than words.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Hell, so what do you mean?
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, doing what you say you're going to do building
up that reputation of trust and integrity of somebody, It
does that.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
So knowing that next time you say that, you don't
have to say you swear, you say I will and
they know you will.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
But yeah, you know, all the talk is cheap and
all that, and then you can go back to proverbs
or what proverbs is saying of? You know, don't speak
a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Well, let me ask you guys a question. Do you like?
Because this is something I struggle with. I have a
harder time hearing it than saying it, if that makes sense, Like,
there'll be times I'll catch myself cursewords, and yeah, curse words.
Like There'll be something I'll say and it won't bother
me near as much as if I'm listening to something
and go, why are they cussing?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Is that? Is that just me?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
No? I was with some of my best friends from
high school this past weekend and yeah, he put one
of them put on a TV show that man, I
just absolutely would have loved like five or ten years ago.
But every other sentence was enough work and it was
so cringe to my ears and to my soul.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I was like, this sucks.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I told him after He's like, would y'all think it's like, yeah,
a little too many f bombs in there for me.
He's like, yeah, there's a lot, So to your point.
Yet I don't like hearing it. I mean, and what
Granger said. If I hear it, I'm not like judging.
It's like it's I don't have to say you're sorry.
But if it's like every other sentence, it's like, let
me get out of this room or this environment that
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that's where they're saying that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think what I'm listening to it like if in
a movie or a podcast or something like that. I
feel like that that is something I can control and
I'm allowing in versus talking to a friend who discusses
and that's just part of their language, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
It doesn't feel that too because the friend, when you're
talking to a friend and he's cussing, I'm I'm almost
thinking I need a good opportunity, yeah, to show the gospel,
because there's there's obvious things. What's a good what's a
good gospel bridge? I can get to with this guy
because I love him and I could I could tell
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that he's on a he's on a rough road right now.
A movie, our show, a podcast, a song. It's it's
less personal, and so you just it feels like fingers
on a chalk.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, it's like it feels like a choice though too
for me, like talking to a friend, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
A communication you're having.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Listening to something I hit play on feels different than
than the than the conversation.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I don't know why. It just they strike me different.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's a good that's a good indication of a conviction
for what we should be watching. And I think for
sure another episode we'll just talk about what we consume
and how what we consume changes us and affects us
and matters in our habit forming. But in this in
this case, yeah, discussing what about?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (23:53):
What what about this whole idea of we need filler
words to fill out our sentences, like even if it's
dang and darn and and crap and crud and dagup.
You know, man, I talked about it for every word
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he just said, have you talked about on all the darns?
Speaker 5 (24:23):
You you speak on that because you're the professional speaker,
you get hired to go speak. I just love being quiet.
I don't like talking well.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Antman and I were talking on the Greener Smith podcast
a long time ago about this, and it's really interesting
if you think about stuff like dad gummant, think of
think of the evolution of what that word is. Dad
gummant comes from you just swapped the G and the D.
That's all somebody did, and suddenly that makes it good.
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As if the technicality of the syllables, the consonants is
actually what that's the evil, But the intention of it.
What would Jesus say that in the Sermon on the
Mount when he's talking, when he's going you, you've heard
in your law thou shalt not murder. But I'm telling you,
if you hate your brother, you've already murdered him. You've
you've you know from your law that you know he's
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always getting at the heart of the matter. What would
he say about dad gummtt.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
What's your favorite curse word?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I know mine?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Anyway, Sermon on the Mount, what's your favorite?
Speaker 5 (25:38):
It starts with the C and the next swits two words,
and the other one is it starts with the B.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Parker, I don't know. I'm talking about I don't know
what you mean, crumb bumbum. Our dad used to always
say that.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
I don't know where he got that from.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
My dad used to have all kinds of words.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
I took a really good point though, granger dead gummet
because Dad used to say that, and you say crumbum.
And then I've also been saying, golly, Moses recently, what's
that he said?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I'm like, how did Moses get brought into this?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Or when someone says like holy crap, that that gets me.
That sends a shockwave. Even when I said that loud,
that sends a shockwave because of what that word holy means.
You know, we see tour with fo to Georgia line
and remember that that song holy, and to take that
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a word that I didn't like this from the beginning,
that's the Lord, you know, the word that the Lord
says of himself.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Back to the point earlier that I made that, you know,
when you said what does Jesus have to do with this?
And my mind immediately goes to he has to do
with everything?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
And so unintentionally we just throw names like holy and
dad comet and all that, because everything was created by
Jesus for Jesus, whether we know it or not.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, you know I do.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
The other day, I was in Georgia a few days
ago and in all Benny, Georgia, driving that there was
a barbecue tournament. I saw a big truck out there
that said Holy smokes barbit, Holy smokes barbecue. And it's like, oh,
that's cute, fun until you think about what what that is?
Holy smoke, you know you, and then you go, oh, man, yeah,
(27:31):
maybe maybe we shouldn't. Maybe that shouldn't be a cute
barbecue thing where where the intention is might not be bad,
but what it communicates is a lesser version of that word.
It softens the meaning of a holy God, and it
kind of it makes it cute and easy and digestible
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literally because it's barbecue.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I remember, pretty early after I was saved, in like
twenty twenty one, hearing a podcast called Ken Christian's Cuss
and he was approaching language in general, and like I was,
like every other word was the F word with me,
Like I look back at now my old text with
friends from college and stuff. For us, we look back
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and all of us us, Yeah, and you don't even
notice it at the time, because that's just how the
world talks.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's just how anybody talks.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And he quoted Ephesians for twenty nine and I just
remember it from that episode, and I only remember it
in the NIV. I know the ESV translation is a
little bit different, but it was in the NIV. It's
let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth, except
that which is helpful for building others up according to
their needs. And he was just like, do we believe
that or not? Like, is a command to not let
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any unwholesome talk come out of our mouths? I know
That's what I was reading at the beginning when you
were laughing at me. So he said, no, let no
corrupting talk. Also, only let that which is helpful for
building others up. And I just remember hearing that and
be like, that's in the Bible.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Mmm.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
It literally says no unwholesome talk. I mean that, So, Parker,
what is unwholesome talk? Because you go back to Tom
Brady like building each other up when he does the LFG,
or did the LFG, would you not argue that that's right,
that's like uniting the team. Yes, So you could make
the argument that it depends on your motive. Like, if
you're saying a cussword with the intention of tearing somebody
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down or blaspheming God, you could say that's not bad.
But can I use cuss words with a good intention
of bringing people together and getting focused?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Okay, think that's a good question.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
So let's think about that. Colossians three to eight says,
but now you must put them all away anger, wrath, malice, slander,
and obscene talk from your mouth? What's obscene talk? Well,
what's what's the F word? What's the what's the meaning
of the F word?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Right?
Speaker 5 (29:55):
What's obscene talk? What's n wholesome talk? What is it?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
What's what's the meaning of the F word? It's obscene?
It's obscenities? Oh yes, yeah, there's no I don't think
anyone would argue this is obscenity.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Meaning like it's sexual obscenity.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, usually in the in the sexual term. Yeah,
this word so to that, I would say, is it
building up great?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Is it obscene? Yes? Cut it out? Replace it? Put
something else?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
Was there back in the Jesus time? Was there a
different word or like when was that word invented.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I don't know, I have no idea. That's the next podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
We should ask that guy who studied this before.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But it is.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It is, you know, almost understood in all languages, and
each language has their own versions of it. But if
you're wanting to create a chance to pump people up,
do you need to put an obscenity in there? Because
if you do, then that would be a sin according
to Colossians three eight would be a sin.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
It's really saying reminds me of South for Solo over
at first Form, who's like huge on integrity and be
the best that you can be. And he's like openly said, like, yeah,
I'm not going to teach my kids not to cuss.
Like it's about it's about your heart posture, not what
words you specifically use.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
He said that, Yeah, it's about your heart posture.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Not no, no, no. I don't want to I don't want
to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
But that's an interesting thought though, because that's because because
of what we said.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
With Matthew twelve thirty four.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
When Jesus says, out of the abundance of the heart,
the mouth speaks, so the heart posture always reveals through words.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I love to go to James for something like this.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yeah, and James is great. So let me go to
chapter three and let me read this this whole little section.
You guys, remember he's talking about He's talking about horses
that they're they're driven by the bits and mouth. A big,
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powerful horse is controlled and driven by a little metal
bit in its mouth. A big ship is driven by
a little rudder. Right, that's how the pilot directs it.
And he says, a bit a rudder. It's the same
thing as your tongue. A little muscle in your body
drives so much force. So also the tongue is a
(32:27):
small member, yet it boasts of great things. And then
so let me pick up here. This is James three,
verse five. He says, he goes with another illustration. How
great a forest is set a blaze by such a
small fire, And the tongue is a fire a world
of unrighteousness. The tongue is set among our members, staining
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the whole body, setting on fire the entire course of life,
and set on fire by hell. For every kind of
beast and bird, and reptile and sea creature can be
aimed and has been tamed by mankind. But no human
being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil,
full of deadly poisoned. With it we bless our Lord
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and father, and with it we curse people who are
made in the likeness of God. From the same mouth
come blessing and cursing, my brothers. These things ought not
to be. So does a spring pour forth from the
same opening, both fresh and salt water. Can a fig
tree my brothers bear olives, or a grape vine produce figs?
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Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water. He's very
clear in a couple of things. One, he's clear that
the tongue creates great evil, and that the tongue produces
is like a little fire that burns the whole forest.
(33:53):
But he's also clear in here if you look at
verse eight, no human being contain the contame the tongue.
That is, you should rightly read this and go, then
what do we do?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, so no human being contained the tongue. Out of
the abundance of the heart. The mouth speaks, so we
can't tame the tongue. So this is a heart issue, right, Yeah.
So Ezekiel at thirty six twenty six says and I
will give you a new heart and a new spirit
I will put within you, and I will remove the
(34:29):
heart of stone from your flesh and give you a
heart of flesh.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah so this, huh, I'll hug you right now, Tyler. Yeah,
so does your brain just do that? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (34:45):
So God doesn't. God doesn't renovate the old heart. He
replaces it. And so I've been processing this in my
mind of like, this isn't about me, this is about God.
Like slowly, I used to be the worst, used to
say the F word every sentence, and slowly over time
I don't do that anymore. And you know, it never
(35:09):
was like a prayer, never like prayed, Lord, take this
foul language from my mouth. I've never prayed that. It
just God just took it away. He replaced my heart.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
So you placed your heart, which replaced what came out
of your mouth. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Yeah, So it's kind of hard to avoid conversion when
we're talking about this. It kind of seems like that's
kind of the common denominator here, is this not.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Just what does that? That's a fancy word? What does
conversion mean? Yeah, it sounds like something out of a
cult or something.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Yeah, it's becoming a Christian. The Bible says that we
it's not that we should just stop cussing and be better,
it's that we're actually the Fesians two says that we're
dead and that our hearts are actually wicked, and that
we actually don't have a bunch of good deep deep
down in us, and that we should just clean ourselves up.
But that ever since Adam, all mankind is cursed and
(36:07):
we're bent away from God and rebellious toward him, and
we can't control our tongues, and so we need a
new heart.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And let me stop you right there, because you're a
father of a two year old at home, and Vodi
Backcom will always think say, if you think that that
all people are good, like Luke Brian says, you must
not have ever had small children. He said, they are
not cute. They are vipers and a diaper.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Yeah that's what he says.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
He says, God God made them so small so they
don't kill us, and he made them so cute so
we don't kill them. So anyway, Yeah, So I just
wanted to stop you on we're all bad because maybe
someone's think hearing you, like, well, I'm not bad or
my Grandma's not bad. Grandma's actually a great person.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Yeah, we're all naturally bent away from good authority, specifically
lived out in the context of being a child. And
you have the good authority of your parents, and you're
naturally bent away from that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We don't want that good authority.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
We want to do whatever we want to do, and
so that's the importance of correction and bringing them back.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That's the circle of authority.
Speaker 6 (37:17):
Oh no, you're in grave danger outside of Dad's authority,
which are actually reminding me of what you said earlier.
You were like when you're saying that, like, you don't
need an F bomb to be able to get your
point across.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
You shouldn't need that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
You don't you shouldn't need to swear to God to
make someone know that you're being truthful. And it reminded
me of in the discipline of my two year old
and that it's not Now Dad's yelling now I need
to obey.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Okay, I'm yelling up.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
Now I'm going to finally start obeying because Dad's actually
serious now and he's threatening. Hey, if you don't listen
to me, then you are not getting dessert tonight. You know,
it's now I'm going to speak in a way that
I know you can hear me, and if you disobey
my voice, then you're going to be getting a spanking,
because that doesn't need to raise his voice and get
(38:09):
really angry for you to hear me. You should just
know that I'm serious the first time. But that reminded
me of cussing to make people know that you're serious
or being honest.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, Amber, Amber is usually like, I don't see how
you stay so calm, And it's not because I'm I
have some kind of superior discipline. I just it's a
personality trait. I don't Amberg is like, listen to me,
and I'm like, all right, guys, here's the deal. You
either obey or there will be consequences, but you decide
(38:42):
and and so you could speak clearly and you could
pronounce everything and not yell or not cuss. And I
think once people know you, like like, I know all
three of you enough now where you don't have to
get a point of cross by adding words to it.
To me, I just know you. I trust you, I
(39:04):
trust your intelligent and and what were all the other
things on here that you Yeah, I trust that you're
telling the truth and that and that you're this is
coming from a place of wisdom and I don't need
you to add words to it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
And that's a good point. I hope my kids don't
think so either. What about pain tolerance, I'm just joking.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's that's a strange thing, but understandable, understandable.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I could see how yelling yeah general, but you don't
have to yell curse word. But I could see how
Fell was in an ice bath, and I just like.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
That could help.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
I've heard have you guys heard people say yell in
my morning cold showers?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I have to yell. If it's cold water, you
have to yell. Yeah, Well, maybe it's just coming out
of my lungs. It's all that air compressed. Well, so
insert Granger and a nice bath here.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, that's on the soundboard, the Grangers soundboard. Have you
have you heard guys say things like dude, I just
that's great, but I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I actually can't help it. I just cuss.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's part of it's part of my normal vocabulary. I'm
a Christian, I love Jesus. I don't think it really
changes anything. I just I don't even think about it.
I don't plan on saying a cuss word just comes out.
But that's actually a pretty it's pretty weak argument, because
I could say, so you're at a nice dinner with
(40:47):
Grandma and somehow you you're at a job interview with
a man you respect, and you don't say any cuss words.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Or in our world, so you you turn the mic
on and you're on the radio and you never say anything,
but you turn the mic off and that's all you
do is cuss. You can't control it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Then that just indicated, yeah you can. Or at church, Yeah, yes,
you don't cuss the church.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yep, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Parker gave us the gospel and we know that that.
In Romans One, Paul says that the Gospel is the
power of God for salvation, meaning faith comes from hearing
hearing the word of Christ, and we must hear it
and respond. And those that hear that they have no hope,
(41:38):
and that Christ died to forgive them of all their sins,
including every cussword, that his his death on the cross
is sufficient to cover so that we could meet a
holy And I intensify that word, holy God, not a
not a barbecue truck, but a holy God that is separate,
that is separated, that is different because he is, It's perfect,
(42:01):
and we can be in His presence. Peter says that
Jesus will bring us to God. That's an incredible idea.
He brings us to God not because of our own merit,
but because of what He has done on the Cross.
Those that believe that and trust that, regardless of a
cussword or not. Those that believe him in that, I believe,
(42:22):
will be changed and the evidence of that saving faith
will be in the abundance of what they speak. So
I would question somebody that says they have no problem
with swearing. They are a Christian. They cuss all the time,
as opposed to someone who goes, I know it's wrong
and I'm working on it. Those are two very different things.
But those that believe in Christ ultimate atonement are sacrificer
(42:46):
forgiveness for their sins will be with Him and they
will be brought to God the Father. It's an incredible thought.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Amen.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
And I would say, if you're one of those people
that says I'm working on it, your prayers shouldn't be
about the cussing.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Prayer should be about your heart. That was a great
comment by Tyler about that, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, it's not a bad prayer to say, Lord clean
up my mouth. Of course I need to work on this,
and it's it's a habit of me. It's an old habit.
I need to and that's not a bad prayer. But yeah,
it's it's a position of the heart. It's what do
you crave? What is your heart yearning for? Last thing?
Maybe not last thing. Parker's looking at something and I
(43:25):
could tell he's he's doing.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
But the comments on this episode, sweet, We'll finish with this.
This is the last.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
If someone's struggling with any of this, you will be
deeply affected by who you're hanging out with, the conversations
around you, not just in people in your friend group,
but what you're listening to are the songs cussing. And
you don't cuss, but the songs do. It's going to
get you. The habit is being formed. Do you not cuss,
but you watch all the Netflix shows that they're just
(43:56):
cussing constantly. It's going to eventually carve you down. You're
you're going to be changed by something, either by Christ
through sanctification or by the world. Because the world is
going to speak to you, and you your habits will
be formed. So what are you listening to? Who are
you around? Are two huge contributing factors to to your
(44:17):
ability to tame the tongue?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Right?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, else, do we miss anything? Guys that are in
the room. Peter presence in the room and said, you know, Peter,
(44:45):
whenever he was in denial of Christ and finally caught,
he swore.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
He swore in the Bible.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
Yeah, did you read it a little later the bystanders
came up and said to Peter, surely you two are
one of them, for even the way you talk gives
you away. Then he began to curse and swear I
do not know the man. And immediately a rooster crowed,
and Peter remember the word which Jesus had said, for
a rooster crows, he will deny me three times.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
And he went out and wept early, wept bitterly. Yeah,
any Barton trying to find something, but you couldn't.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, that's all right, I don't know if I want
to rabbit hole.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
Yeah, that's okay, Okay, we're doing we're doing a book today.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Man, that just totally blank on that I just thought it.
Speaker 5 (45:40):
Yeah, Hey, well let me say one last week, we'll
do two.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Next week, we'll do two books in the next episode.
What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Replacing the F word with.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Freaking? I think it's the same thing as to our dad,
gum it.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
My kids I've heard them occasionally because they'll pick it
up from school.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
They'll say, Hey, Maverick, that freaking hurts.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Right, say we talk about this, yeah, because once again,
that's just that's just semantics you're just dealing with. I've
just changed a few letters here. That doesn't make you
clean all.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Of a sudden.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
The only the only good one we got out of
this is crumbum. We don't know what that.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
I don't know what crumbum is.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Dad used to say, got canceled crumbbum.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Dad as a strange vocabulary. That's fun.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
Uh's last episode was about how should Christians feel about ice,
and Austin said, I'm sending this episode to a friend
that is running for office to be able to better
answer questions about ice when he's asked.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Hey, I thought that was cool. That was cool.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
There was a lot of a lot of a lot
of great comments and and a lot of people checking in. Okay,
I got one more or I think you This is
from Maddie. She said, I think you approached this far
more thoughtfully than most people who are doing right now.
As a moderate who currently leans left, I agree with
most of what you said. You touched on this briefly
a couple of times, but I really think both sides
(47:15):
need to start pushing for reform. Our government is spending
billions on things that neither side wants. We have million
we have the most brilliant minds finding solutions for problems
that don't exist. Yeah, uh, book did you find? Did
you think I want to cool?
Speaker 5 (47:33):
So?
Speaker 2 (47:34):
This book is called I think I went in there
to the to the study real quick looking for something
that's appropriate for this conversation. Yeah, and there are several things,
but I found this one. The Pursuit of Holiness by
Jerry Bridges. This was This was from the seventies and
it's really we talked about this idea of holiness, ironically
(47:54):
from the barbecue truck with this idea of that word's
sanctification comes from this idea of being, of becoming holy.
Jesus says, you must be holy. You know your father
in heaven is holy. Now we know that what Tyler said,
is you can't do it on your own. You must
have a new heart with new desires. But our whole
(48:18):
lives as Christians will be in the process of becoming
holy sanctified, and so sometimes we need to be spurred
on by other believers that go, hey, let's work on
this together. And when you do work on holiness, it
is a gratifying task because you feel as a Christian,
(48:38):
you go, oh, this feels right.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I feel peace.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be
doing in the you know, Bible says that God's will
for your life is sanctification. This is God's will for you, sanctification.
It's to become holy. So to act in His will
becoming holy, it's not something that hurts you. It's actually
something that when you start practicing holiness, you go, oh,
(49:05):
life is Life is easier this on this path than
it was the other path. I was going to read
some of through some of these chapters of just going
through the battle for holiness, the help in the daily battle,
obedience not victory, putting sin to death, the place of
personal discipline, Holiness in your body, holiness in your spirit,
(49:26):
holiness in our wills, habits of holiness, holiness and faith,
holiness in an unholy world, the joy of holiness. There
these are all and it has a little study out
of the end.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
It's a great.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
John MacArthur said that Pursuit of Holiness richly deserves to
be regarded as a modern classic. Jerry Bridges dispelled some
dangerous misconceptions while motivating readers with the passion for true holiness.
This is surely one of the most important books produced
in the past fifty years, he says. Arc Sproul says,
when Jerry Bridges speaks, I listen his teaching on Hold.
(50:00):
It's not an exercise in abstraction. It is an expression
of a passion that has gripped his life and his ministry.
So Pursuit of Holiness. We'll sign it here. Every podcast
we want to give away a book that has probably
not talked about.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
It probably.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Probably not meant to be people have heard of the
Pursuit of auld Maybe not. It's something I had to
read in seminary, But yeah, so we'll pass this around.
Speaker 4 (50:24):
So comment pursue holiness, Pursue holiness. Comment pursue holiness, and
then whatever else you want to write. If you want
to write something else, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
But yeah, and then random people that come to this
video to look at it, they're gonna be like man
they're talking to they're trying to really get Granger. Hey, Granger,
pursue holiness, man, that's good comment. Pursue holiness will have
Kaveen melw this out to you. That's how we got
you guys. See anything else? All right, good episode. We'll
see yall next week
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