February 23, 2026 • 49 mins
In this episode of the 9941 Podcast, Granger Smith, Tyler, Parker and AntMan tackle a headline out of Wylie, Texas that sparked strong reactions across the Christian community. When an Islamic group was allowed to set up a table in a public high school cafeteria, questions about faith, fear, public education and the role of Christianity in America quickly followed.
Rather than reacting with outrage, the guys slow the conversation down and ask a deeper question: How should Christians respond? Through a biblical lens, they explore whether religion belongs in public schools at all, how the Ten Commandments debate compares, and why fear often drives our first response. They also unpack key theological differences between Christianity and Islam, including the identity of Jesus, the cross, and salvation.
Most importantly, this episode centers on the gospel. What does it mean to remember that Christ forgave us first? How should that shape the way we view Muslims, atheists, Mormons, or anyone who believes differently? The conversation moves from cultural tension to personal responsibility, emphasizing family discipleship, equipping children at home, and living out faith without hypocrisy.
If you’ve wrestled with questions about religious freedom, public schools, or how Christians should engage a changing culture, this episode offers thoughtful, Scripture-centered discussion rooted in truth and love.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, what's up. I'm Granger, I'm a man, I'm Tyler,
I'm Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is the ninety nine for one podcast where we
seek the one and equipped the ninety nine to do
the same. And this is episode what are we at?
Episode seven seven. I've enjoyed this, guys doing this for
seven episodes. I hope listeners have to. But I hope
that this is something we could do a lot. And
(00:25):
we've made up our mind in the very first episode
that we weren't going to worry too much about the
reach of this podcast as so much as we reach
one really, and that the Gospel is part of every episode,
and that we take kind of relevant topics life issues
and we look through a biblical lens at how to
(00:46):
approach them. Yes, which brings us to today. What we
got it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have a story. It is Wiley East High School.
We do this podcast from Central Tech and so get
a lot of Texas news.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I grew up not too far from Wiley. Oh really, fact,
I used to sing at the Wiley Opry No maybe
thirty minutes from where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So in relation to Dallas Fort Worth, where is Wiley
maybe which direction? It's it is Dallas for Dallas Fort Worth. Yeah,
it's been encompassed by that metroplex. Yeah, so we're talking
to northeast south North Yeah okay. An unnamed Wiley IOSD
employee has been placed on leave after an outside group
called Why Islam set up a table during lunch and
(01:31):
offered students Islamic materials, including copies of the Koran, pamphlets
about Shariah and hijobs or headscarves, candy, and promotional bags too.
The table was connected to a World Job Day. Is
that how you say it?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Hitjob? Yeah, hy job okay, a.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Hijob Day event promoted by the school's Muslim student association.
The district says bored policies prohibit distribution of any religious
materials on campus without prior approval. The group Why Islam
did not receive authorization to be there or to distribute materials.
The district only found out after a student's social media
video went viral showing the event, and a staff member
(02:12):
who escorted the group didn't verify that the visit was approved,
which the district calls a procedural breakdown. Fewer than fifty
students visited the table, only a small number took items
and tried on the scarves. The superintendent emphasized that the
issue is not about religion, but about procedures not being
followed and ensuring that public schools remain environments focused on learning.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay, So breaking this down in Wiley, Texas, there was
a school that allowed a group to come in. Islamic
group to come in, and they were very peaceful, they
seemed very friendly. According to that article, they were letting
the girls try on hit jobs. There's pictures of them
in that article. Yeah, questions about Islam, things like that,
(03:03):
and people got really upset when they find found out
about this. And and then somebody got fired. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Somebody got it?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They put on leave.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, it says that an unnamed wily asked the employee
has been placed on leave and I'm assuming it doesn't say,
but it says. I'm assuming it's the one who escorted
them and let them set up without making sure they
had approval to do so. I mean, who else would
who else gets in trouble for this?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And according to the article, these people came in, they
they went through the security, did did everything they needed
to do. Besides, whoever let them in didn't getting approved,
get it, get it approved by the superintendent.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When you say that they went through, uh, well.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like the normal screening. You go in and you signed
why are you here? And they said there were They
said in that article the reason they were there, and
it sounded like a normal reason.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know what this podcast will be titled yet.
I have down I've listed like Texas Public School pushes Islam?
How should we feel? And I think a lot of
these podcasts will be something along the lines of, well,
how do we feel how to Christians? Not people, not normal,
not just like an average person, but how would a
Christian feel if their child was in a public school
(04:18):
and Islam? Maybe pushed is too big of a word
or a title, but they're bringing Islam beliefs and suggestions
and answering questions and head coverings into the school itself,
into the cafeteria, I think, is where they were. How
(04:38):
should Christians feel about this.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So being allowed to proselytize? Basically?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, and I say that, And I think why this
could be an interesting discussion between US four is in
light of the whole Ten Commandments thing that was happening
six months ago. Maybe it's still going on. A member
at our church is a is a maintenance technician for
(05:05):
one of the school districts close to us. He was
literally one of his jobs about five months ago was
hanging the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Putting him up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They gave him the little Ten Commandment posters and he
was to go into these classrooms and hang them up.
That's what his job was. Not because of conviction, but
because of that was what they told him to do.
He is convicted because he's a brother of mine. But
but he said that there was it was crazy people
(05:36):
yelling at him, protesters.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Outside for putting them up.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, protesters. And this is a country this is
like a rural country school. This isn't We're not talking
about downtown Austin, which is no yeah yeah, and Wiley
for the record, once once was very rural. There was
a little Texas farm town and people will probably still
(06:01):
defend it that way, but it's been engulfed by by a.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Lot of doubts all the way around it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So so my friend, he said, even teachers were like,
I'm I'm gonna walk out on this if this goes
up in my classroom. So in light of these two
tensions going we got We got Christians wanting the Ten
Commandments and people revolting against it. We have an Islamic
(06:27):
group bringing in this stuff and people pushing against it.
Probably Christians pushing against it, I don't know about It
would be interesting to see if there were any other
people that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Pushed against non Christians, but not.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like the same ones that push against the Ten but not.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Muslims, like a non Muslim, non Christian person.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yea, the same one that pushed against Ten Commandments. Okay,
so where do we start with this?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I mean to start with why are Christians pushing against it?
What's wrong with it? Fear fear?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What fear of man, fear of control, fear of change,
fear of a society moving in to take their society
that they would believe is violent and dangerous.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So the Bible says, how many times, do not be afraid?
Do not fear? So that would be the obvious, the
obvious go to. But then it's like school isn't what
it used to be. It's like you can't control what
others are teaching you. So there's options private school or homeschool.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay. I thought about that before we started this podcast,
and I wanted to make sure if it came up,
and it just did that, we have charity for people
that go I can't afford anyone. There's that I can't
do homeschool, well, I have to work.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well, okay, so that is that the argument for because
I get private schools, there's tuition. I get that it's
expensive homeschool. Can't stay home with them because I have
to work. Yeah, So what is the answer then for
for public because those are the two obvious It's like
we can because you know, it all starts at the home.
(08:03):
Like you don't know when you're sending your kids off
wherever they're going. You just gave the answer that you asked.
You asked the question and gave the answer, don't send
your kids out. No, what's the answer, Well, it all
starts at the home, that's what you said. It all
starts at the home. Yeah, But that doesn't solve the
question of I got to go work, so I have
to send my kid to school.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, But if it all starts at the home, then
and they're being prepared and grounded the fact, that's going
to be what we talk about at our book giveaway today.
But if they're being prepared and equipped and told truth
and witness truth lived out by you. I say you
(08:47):
because maybe it's you're a single parent. Maybe you're not
a parent, you're you're a guardian like a grandparent, you know.
So I don't want to say just the mom and
dad are living it out, but you guardian are living
out truth, reading truth, showing them truth, directing them to truth.
And then you send them into the world and you
(09:08):
trust that the truth that you've you've given them will
give them strength through whatever they see. Because we're talking
about Texas here, what would you say to a couple
that to a family that's in Dubai or South Africa,
or or by whatever circumstance, in another country that is
(09:31):
not majority Christian.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I do wonder if it's like I mean, I know that.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Some places like in a like see Saudi Arabia example,
it's opening up a lot more to a lot more commercialism,
a lot more tourism. Riodd is advertising everywhere, you know,
being I've talked about this just with you guys, but
you get a pro wrestling fan. Pro wrest thing is
a big deal in Riad, Saudi Arabia, and it's opened
(10:02):
up a lot of doors just in that in the
tourism side of it. But still what is from what
I understand, tell me if I if I'm wrong on this,
there are no Christian churches anywhere around there.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like that's that's outlawed there in Saudi Arabia. Arabia, Am
I wrong on that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, it depends on what you mean, because there's there
are secret churches everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Not secret.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Driving down the street over here is a mosque and
two miles down on the left.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
As a Baptist, I.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Would be inclined to say that there are churches just
like there are in Iraq. There's church, there's Christian churches
in Iraq. There's Christian churches in Iran, but but they
are very They're not run by Westerners, that's for sure,
(10:51):
and they are like the ones that there's Christian churches
in Afghanistan. But they are ancient and very different than
the church you're thinking. It's not a Baptist church like
you're thinking of. So I don't know about Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
My point being as I saw that there was a
video the other day that talked about how many actual
mosques have gone in the like the last I think
it was three years, three years or five years in
and around Dallas Fort Worth, and it was somewhere between
thirty and fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And we talked about this a lot, don't we. It
seems like it keeps making its way back the mosque
are coming? What do we do? What do we run?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Could it be helpful quickly too? And maybe this is
just like too obvious for some people. Maybe we don't
spend a lot of time on it, But could it
be helpful to quickly talk about what is Islam? And
why are people even concerned about it?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Like?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Are we concerned with are we just anti our kids
learning about any other cultures other than the us of
a baby?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Like is it like, don't bring a hit job in.
I don't want I don't want my kids tasting Moroccan
chicken like hot dogs and chicken nuggets only you know?
Or is there what is it about what Islam teaches
that would be contradictory to what the gospel is? Could
that be helpful to just quickly address?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean it's fundamentally a different faith altogether. They
actually cannot coexist the two faces. They can of course
co exist in and as far as so far as
we love each other and would have charity for each
other and would desire truth for each other, those kind
(12:45):
of things. But they can't exist as a as a
as a valid truth because they compete against each other.
As you know, Jesus is not the same Jesus.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But he is mentioned a ton in the Koran, which
is super interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, our neighbors, he's a wives prophet.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Our neighbors are Muslim and Amy, My wife has had
conversations with them and they're trying to get her to
go to their temple because they want to convert her,
and so she's had to have She's tried to have
meaningful conversations with them, and they believe that the whole
New Testament is corrupted and that the Koran actually does
mention Jesus more times than Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And that is one of the highest respective prophets. Is
that interesting, Toller?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And is lom Jesus is one of the highest respecting prophets.
I was, so, I was so surprised in that.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Thomas spends quite a bit of time talking to talking
about these things with certain.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Oh really, yeah, so I was. I was surprised in
that they believe he was born of a vision, that
he was a great prophet and that he will return
at the end of days. But I did not believe
that he was ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Well, yeah, what you were about to say is the
most important thing. Sorry, but I was just going to say.
When you have conversations, they that's always that they always
lead with that, Well.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We love Jesus.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, we agree with you, we love Jesus. They just
think that he's not the son of God. Yeah, they
don't believe he's God in client that he's the son
of God, that all of the Gospels got corrupted, that
Paul's writings got corrupted, or that he was just vastly misled,
and that Jesus's original message was not that he's the
(14:24):
son of God, that he didn't come to take away
the sins of the world, that he did not die
on a cross. So they would reject all of that,
which is just always so fascinating when like all these,
so many religions would affirm Jesus, but then they deny
his deity and the primary message that he came to sin,
And so Islam as a whole teacher that all humans
(14:46):
are born with a clean slate, neutral and we have
to at the end of our lives, our good deeds
will be weighed with our bads, and then we hope
Allah shows mercy to us and grants us several lasting life.
But there's no there's no men. All men are born
into sin. We're all corrupt, our hearts are wicked. We're
not morally neutral, we're not actually good. We've all sinned
(15:09):
before Holy God, and we need that penalty paid for
us by a substitute.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It is finished.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So there are different sects of Islam. And that's probably
one thing that I'm trying to think of what we
should say and what we shouldn't say as far as
getting into the weeds. But I'm actually looking through the
text of one of our friends here because you could
(15:40):
talk to The reason I say this is because you
could talk to two different Muslims and you can get
really different ideas, and yeah, this idea doesn't agree with
this idea. I have the Kuran in this other room
in here, and I have worked my way all the
way through it. It's not very long, it's not nearly
the length of the Bible, but but it's also an
(16:00):
English It's translated to English because I don't speak Arabic.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But but they which they will say, you haven't read
the Koran.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Then they say that, well, then you haven't read it then,
because it could only be read in Arabic. Which is
another interesting thing about the Bible, is that we say
the Bible, the word of God is profitable for all,
and it is. It is useful as we translate into
(16:31):
our whatever our respected language is, from the Hebrew, from
the Greek, into English and German and Latin as it
first was, and all the different languages that we are.
We are encouraged as as Christians to to go through
translation work when we're thinking about the nations, thinking about missions.
(16:54):
But the Quran is like, no, only only Arabic. It's
the only true way to you to read this.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You said that they that's their thought on the New Testament.
What do they think about the Old Testament? Because the
Old Testament talks about Jesus.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I don't know, grand you do you know anything about
Islam's view of the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, for the most part, the Old Testament is good.
That's why the psalms are all agreed upon. You could
agree upon with a Muslim the psalms, and as you're
reading through those, it's That's why it's similar to the Jews,
where you could take something like Isaiah fifty three, the
(17:37):
Forbidden Passage we talked about a few podcasts ago, and
you could use that as well for Muslims, the different claims.
Here's here's what a friend said. This is where I
disagree that Jesus died on the cross for our sins.
Why the God, who is just and merciful, accept the
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sacrifice of Jesus for our sins when we are forgiven.
I believe Jesus sacrificed himself to show that, no matter
the adversary, we remain steadfast on our faith and follow
his teachings. Not sure exactly what that what that means,
but they this particular sect believes, Yes, he did die
in the cross, but it's not for what you think.
(18:21):
It's not. It's not for your sins to be forgiven.
He died so that you could remain steadfast. So fast
and what in faith? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And faith of what? Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Faith in God? Which is what all the prophets are
Jesus across. Let this be an example for you that
I'm willing to give up my life. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
A lot of people view it like that, like a moralism, Yeah, exactly,
moralism of just sacrifice yourself for others. That was just
a big bill to just show lay your life down
for others.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, he said that. And this guy is Sufi Sufi okay,
which is different. But something that happened that was confusing
is he says that he said, tell me about this quote.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today in forever Hebrews
(19:25):
thirteen eight. He said, I want you to think about
this deeply. I said, yeah. The author of Hebrews was
preaching to the Jews, and when he said this, what
do you how do you want me to think deeper
about this? You know, Jesus Guy's is the same yesterday,
today and forever. He said, Jesus is the same yesterday
means he was present in the past, he is present
in the present, and he will be present in the future.
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Only God can claim this. I said, yeah, correct, That's
what the author intended you to know. So the question
remains who is Christ? And he said he is God
manifest as a human or God and human form. He says,
But the question is where is he now? This is
where I said, are you not Muslim?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
He's leading you into a trap.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Correct, friendly trap. You know, we love them. But this,
this is, this is where, this is where the trap goes.
I said, are you're not Muslim? He says, I am Muslim.
Not the mainstream one though, and he explains to me
the the Sufi order. He says, there's no difference between
any prophets Mohammed. Prophet Mohammad said almost the same thing
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in the past and the present will remain the same
in the future. So now he's saying, Mohammad, Jesus the same.
He said, oh, okay, I understand, I understand what you're saying.
And he said, he said, I was talking about the
spirit of Jesus, not the physical body. So he's saying
that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because
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in spirit, well, we all come from God. We're all
made by God, and so we all have the spirit
of God. So we all have in that sense this
eternality in us because of we can. It's similar to
the Latter day Saints teaching the that we always existed.
And by the way, the question on where is he now,
(21:22):
He's seated at the right hand of God, the Father.
You know, that's where he is now. So but Anyway,
this conversation goes and like Tyler said, it becomes kind
of a trap, and people are worried because of the
mystery behind it, and because of these kind of traps.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Explain the trap.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
The trap is, he said, he's trying to trick Grangeer
saying where is Jesus. Jesus is seated at the right
hand of the Father. So how can he be seated
at the right hand of the father Father, if Jesus
is the Father, if Jesus is God.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, And I think that's where the misunderstanding is that
Jesus never said that he was the Father. He said
I'm the son. He's It's good, we are God, the Father,
son of the Holy Spirit. I am God.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You know, yes, say well, that's a that's a trinitarian
trap of of where then, who is he speaking to?
In John seventeen, who is she'sus speaking to? If if
Jesus is God, who is he praying to in the garden?
He's pretty the father, correct, because he's the son, right,
(22:27):
and the Father and the Son are not the same person, right,
same essence, same being one God, three persons, three distinct
roles between the third.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I could spend a lifetime trying to studying that, learning
about that.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And definitely a whole different podcast on that. That's not
what this is about.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
But my point was just to consider, Okay, what is
it about this being taught? What even is Islam?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I guess I fear is I think that the fear
is that it is what we would say, I think
here in America is radical Islamic.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's right. I believe that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think that they're looking to recruit people to go
bomb the school later, I think that that's what they
may not voice it that way.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And then we have, like said, good friends that are
like dear, dear friends and good people.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, America just has a bad.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well that's how we portray I mean, for the most part,
every Muslim in a movie. That's especially if it's in
a you know, American battle movie. You know, they're all
strapped with bombs and they're all going to destroy. Now, yes,
it may be destroying life for us in a different
way in the traditional values that we've grown grown up
(23:47):
as grown up with as Christians. Yes, it would, you know,
it would definitely change that. But is it strapped is
it you know, coming in with a suicide vest I
think that's what people are thinking.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Way that the media wants you to think, where all
of us, all races, all religions are just puppets of
the people that are playing the game or making us
think what we want to think, what.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
They want us to think.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Maybe one day we really will get the Koran out
here on another episode and go through like top Parker said,
there is a virgin birth, there is a lot of stories.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
There's a backstory on Mary's family which is interesting in
the Koran.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, but there is a lot of There
is a lot of animosity toward the Jews and towards Christians,
very clear. Like I'm not just saying I think I'm speculating.
I could go get it and show you the highlighted
(24:45):
passages of live peaceably until this happens, and then destroy them.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So we can all agree that Islam is dangerous spiritually
and that is leading millions or billions to Hell every year.
So we can agree that it's dangerous in that.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
But also add add to that anything outside of right.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That's so, That's what I was going to say, is
so should we feel about the same way with when
Mormon missionaries, which we would take everyone in this room
would take to be a false gospel or even you know,
atheist propaganda, or if some kind Buddhists come in and
they start handing out stuff from Buddha in public schools.
(25:32):
Is your point, aunt, that we may not get the
same animosity as like all of a sudden the Qur'an
in Islam?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But yeah, I think it's right on that. Yeah, our
our friends, our dear brothers and sisters in the LDS Church,
that many have been over here in this very room
with us. They're not starting any wars right well.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
And I wonder if right if they look at if
if your Muslim friend thinks looks at Christianity the same
way he just described himself.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Are you not Muslim? Yes, but not mainstream?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Does he look at us and goes, you know, is
that how we look to him when we go well,
are I talk to a Mormon friend?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Are you not the same? No, we're not the same thing. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, we don't go to Amber and I for our
anniversary ate some sushi, h you know, and there's Buddhist
statue in there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And I don't start to you know, get tense and
start to sweat thinking that maybe the people in here
that own this Buddha are going to chop my head off, right,
Not that I would in the Arabic restaurant either. I
love going there and it says Allah is God on
the on the wall. You know, it's a wonderful place
in ground rock and amber, and I like to go.
(26:42):
But it's the it's the misconception of part partly like
Tyler said, what the media said, and partly what that
the radical side of that is actually done.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, gotta be honest about that too.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And the people who are in an uproar about what
happened in Wiley, Texas, what are you in an uproar about?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What are you upset about? Like that's that's what I
would be interested to know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Like if those that are upset that they came and
set up a table, what is it that you're suit
that you're concerned about? And that's a genuine question, not
a not a trap. You know, it's not well if
you think this it's the you know, but is your
concern truly?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Because let me let me think what I think is
the concern is you see people coming into a public
school with with kids that are vulnerable, and they're teaching
them this mysterious way that I don't know a lot about.
But all I know is, you know there was bombers
and in nine to eleven that you know, flew planes
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into towers, and and maybe this is the beginning, and
then then a mosque comes in, and then and then
pretty soon it's gonna look like Minnesota does right now,
and it's going to be just absolute chaos. And we're
gonna stop this right now, you know. I think I
think that's where.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
The fear comes in to plan a sleeper cell.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And w so they want you to think that it
was Muslim Muslims food planes into the different different episode.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
We've now we've just marked up to two more episodes,
right I I want to say that I hope everyone
can recognize on this podcast what we want it to be,
truly is like four guys sitting around a campfire having
a conversation, four guys in a truck on a road
trip having a legitimate conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
We actually talked before. Well, it's got to have enough
for four seats. But and we want to invite our
listeners into that this is not a We're not we're
not talking heads that are that are giving you up
to date news. We we want to more so model
what it looks like for four brothers in Christ that
are imperfectly walking and following him and and seeking to
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know more about how to how to live out the
example given to us by Christ, how to think with
the biblical lens, how to love our neighbor, and how
to obey his commandments. Right, that's what we want to
do here. Model is that you.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Need to highlight that m perfectly imperfectly yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
not perfect, that should be obviously anybody that we're very
impure highlight.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Okay, so let's let's here's the pivot of this conversation.
Where do we stand with the Ten Commandments? The Ten
Commandments going into the I know where we stand with
the Ten Commandments? Where do we stand with the the
recent rule in Texas that they were they would be
hung on the walls of schools.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
My first thought was awesome, cool, my daughter's going to
walk into school, she goes to public school, and there's
going to be some reflection of her faith in that room.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My initial thought was that, yeah, that's a good thought.
Tyler Barker Park are you going to send your kids
to public school? Have you thought about that? Your your boys.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Planning on homeschooling for or at least elementary school as
of now, and then they'll go to they're middle school
or high school at a big school as a plan
right now, just because we're blessed enough so that Amy
can stay home. And I completely understand lots of people
aren't like that, but Amy can't stay home, and she
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really enjoys will enjoy and desires to disciple them and
teach them in that way, in a way that she
can control. And yeah, certainly does not harm any schools
having the Ten Commandments there. But there's also a danger
that can come with a society that is where Christianity
is cultural. And I think that there's a danger in
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thinking that it's the public school system or some federal
agencies job to teach our kids of either who Christ
was or how to be good humans. And I just
think it's like a very American temptation that that we
can fall into to think that we we work our jobs,
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we work hard, we provide for our family, and then
they go learn stuff somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, it's I'm trying to think through my thoughts and
I agree with Aunt. It's like, yeah, it gives me
a good feeling. Ten commandments. But at the same time
it's like, yeah, man, I mean you're just equipping. It
starts at the house, it starts with the parents on
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you know, Christ is the solid rock, the foundation. Everything
else is sinking sand. So it's like, if that's the
goal of Christ is the goal, Lord Willing, how do
you how do you teach your kids who Jesus is,
equip them with that that truth, and then send them out,
you know, because you can't protect them forever. You can't
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hide their eyes from Muslim or all Buddhism, all these
other religions. It's part of me is like, yeah, show
it all to them. We know what the what what?
You know the foundation is right.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
But at the same time, like Maverick's about to start kindergarten.
I don't know what your plans are with him, but
if he was going to if he was going and
you knew that there was cically Islamic influences I'm talking,
or I don't know, or if you couldn't do a
private school, you know, he's got to go.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
To public school.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Had a job to do.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Wouldn't you have a desire to have a conversation?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Would you?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Would we have conversations with the school board depending on
how hard Islam was, like if it's if it's just
a booth or whatever, you know, but then you then
it's like, what do you think about l G T
b Q classes getting taught to children and you so
it's like, you know, with their little minds, Like would
would you guys honestly say you wouldn't have a conversation
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with the school or something about.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
You pray about it on your on your knees, like
you use discernment you have.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Let me let me say what I what I would
want to do with my kids? I would want to
talk to the school board. Yeah, but I want to
My argument would be for neutrality, not not for the
ten commandments in and the and the Islamic teachings out.
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I would say all of it out. What's the purpose
of a school? What's the purpose of a public school?
To teach subjects relevant to worldly businesses and success in life?
Mathematics in which they don't do in science? How to
do your taxes?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How to do your taxes? That's a good class Number three, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, are you writing all these new topics.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
They need to learn, like the mitochondria as the powerhouse
of the cell. That's just vital information like that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
But but if we want to fight for the for
the Ten Commandments in our schools, then we must be
able to be willing to let anything else come in.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That's just that's the tricky part. That's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
And that you I was saying that that was My
initial thought was that, oh cool, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That is well, I agree with your initial thought.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And that was but that is the what comes around?
So are you saying around comes around.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
What does religion have to do with school?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Like I'm saying what does religion have to do with school?
It's it shouldn't have a place learn. It shouldn't have
a place in public schools unless you're in a private school.
That's that leans that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Way, But that's the foundation part of.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Like even the Ten Commandments thing is kind of scary
to me, Like what if the Ten Commandments are on
the wall and a kid goes, what is that teacher?
Are you going to trust whatever this teacher says?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
The argument it gets that is like we're not schools
aren't set up to like genuinely teach kids how to
succeed and start businesses and do that. We're indoctrinated from
by the media. Again, what politics we should vote for,
what religion we should what God we should worship. It's
it's you know, it's just all out of our control.
(34:59):
Like I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Think think about the Ten Commandments out of context? Would
would be awful? Like what does that mean? It means
if you lie, you go to hell. Don't lie, you
go to hell.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
What does the first one mean? It means love God
with all your heart and soul, like above all things.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Every Who's God? Who is God?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
The Ten Commandments only condemns you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's just it's good news. Yeahs terrible.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's just you have to obey this, and then people
just say, oh, forget it. I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, So it could be the Ten Commandments could be
used technically worse.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Either it either creates a legalist, a legalist who's self righteous,
or it creates just a complete hedonis that says forget it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And now it's the opposite way if you want to
look at it, like it helps society, Like Jordan Peterson
twelve rules for life type thing like, hey, try to
be truthful, don't don't be unfaithful to your wife, don't steal. Well,
these are things that can contribute to a better society.
(36:02):
I think that was the original intent of the Ten
Commandments going in right, like, hey, these these are fundamental
ideas that would really help society and kids should learn them.
But it is religious and it comes from the Bible,
and if you want to bring that in, then in
this country we have to be able to say, then
bring everything else in. And I don't want that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So what brother, you can take out the Ten Commandments,
but don't you dare take out the Pledge of Allegiance.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Which is another religion in itself. Podcast for yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And for that flag.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So I think, all we can land this plane here. Well,
this is what this conversation is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
What you have when you do pass a law or
whatever happen to have the Ten Commandments in, is that
now you have a competing I would say, competing religion
or faith across the street from you or across the
lunch room from you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's like a job fair, it's like a religion.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Everybody, bring your religion. We're having on Thursday, we're having
a religion. Let the kids pick what they want, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Uh, yeah, it doesn't have a place in religion, doesn't
have a place in public schools, and and and so
what do we do well, Tyler said at the very beginning,
we need to be equipping our kids in our own
homes because it's not the government's job to teach your
children about God. It's it's your job as the guardian.
(37:40):
Once again saying guardian, because I don't know who's listening,
if it's if you're a single mom or a grandparent
or you know, ideally we think of the family. But
it's your job to train up a child in the
way that he should go and he will not depart
from it. That is not a teacher's job, right.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I agree. We'll get some comments. That's about yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Comments here.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
We also have nine one the podcast dot com. You
can also that's where you can ask a question if
you want to. It's something you don't want to leave
necessarily in a comment on the podcast, which we do.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Encourage the comments because we'll read some of those here too.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
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have when the it was just the Grangersmith podcast and
it was just the Yee podcast. I think a lot
more people knew this now that this is completely separate
ninety nine for one podcast. We're having this question now.
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I'm enjoying it and pointing my friends and family to
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And what is the story there? Thank you all for
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you will continue to be a blessing and doing what
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listening or watching from Lull, Kentucky. So thank you Kelly
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Speaker 2 (39:04):
Pitch uh Tyler Parker again?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
What is he all right?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Honestly, it's such a long go. There's a YouTube video
out there and it says, what do you mean? Honestly,
she would get a lot better.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
In this video. I can link it is that today.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Maybe we need to do a new one, but yeah,
she'll get she'll get it off.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Send me the link for it and I'll put that.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So Kelly, if you will go in the In the
description of this podcast, I will put a link that
is just for you that goes to describe what.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
The brand anthem video that we did last year would
be best.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Awesome, Daniel said, pursue holding. Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I forgot and I forgot reading this as that was
the book last week.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I was like, man, pursue I like this. I really
want to pursue holding.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Last week was about cussing, So I think I might
have led a crumb bum slip last fall when I
missed a big Buck great episode.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Where's he from? If you guys can comment where you're from?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Some do he did not see?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You missed a big Buck teller?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
No, just the feeling of that guy missing a.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah uh Noah from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Love the way
these conversations challenge me and make me think about my
own life. I love that one I had one from
Tyler says pure holiness, not crumbum. Absolutely love this podcast.
It has definitely become one of my top five. I
listen at least twice to really soak in everything I
(40:35):
may have missed the first listen Thank you and look
forward to next week's episode as it has become something
to be excited for us.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Thank you, Tyler, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I love that comment so much. Man, that was so good.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Uh And if you're wondering what crumbum is, it means
you haven't watched the last episode, So go watch that
One's true.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Tandra said, love this episode. Especially loved the connection Tyler
made with the mouth being controlled by the heart and
how God gives us a new heart. Absolutely amazing. If
any of you get a chance, go watch Tim Hawkins's
comedy bit about alternative cuss words for Christians.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I missed that part of it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
We had on fire for him. Pure holiness. Hey it's
Marcus here from Manitoba. Interesting enough. My wife and I
had a little conversation about this topic last week about cussing.
I love to hear y'all's thoughts about this topic of
the truth from the word. Me and my wife are
both followers of Christ and both work at Christian businesses.
I'm currently in college studying the trade that I'm in
(41:34):
an amount and the amount of swearing and pervertedness of
speech and class is something I simply have not experienced before.
I feel like I have been equipped in this area.
Thanks for the episode. Last one here is from Matt.
Thank you guys for another great episode. I originally thought, well,
I don't cuss, but I guess I'll listen to this
episode anyways because I like to listen to these guys.
(41:57):
You guys made some great points about heart, attitude and
other things that convinced me or convicted me about things
that have nothing to do with cussing.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
So that's another point. We want to make it a podcast.
It doesn't always have to be about the topic that
you can get something from it. Yeap, let's do a
book giveaway. Well, then I'll wrap this thing up. Yeah,
well book here called family Worship.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
I actually just read that one like a week two
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The second time we have we've only done seven episodes
in the second time I've done a Don Whitney.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Is that where you got the idea of playing the song?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Oh that's awesome. Do you know what he does with David?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (42:38):
We just do an evening of family worship. It's like
probably like ten minutes long. We read, I just read
a story from the Child Story Bible that I have
for David. We pray briefly, we just go on a
circle and pray and then we watch a song on YouTube.
Everybody sings. It's like two or three minutes.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Once a week.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
We do it every night, every night. Yeah, we just
worked into our evening routine. And one of the things
that I got from that book actually is if your
kids are I'm like, what's the point my son's too,
he's not going to get anything out of it. And
He's like, at the very least your kid will know that.
For whatever reason, we get together and Dad reads some
pages from this book. Every night, everybody closes their eyes
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and talks for a minute, and then we all sing.
And I really like that part. I don't know exactly
what we're doing, but whatever it is, it must be
really important because we do it every night.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, well that reframe my things.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Also, they pick a song that we're going to sing
in church, and when I was over there, it was
a John MacArthur, you know on YouTube, this song that
we're singing in church on Sunday. They would listen to
that every night leading up to it, and so David
hears that song, they practice it, and then there's that
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excitement when they're there in church and like, oh, we're
singing it now in first and in church, everybody sees
there's other people singing, and there's other people this is
what we've been doing all week. It's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, So this is I've really advocated for this for
a long time on this podcast, and it really comes
from this book. It's very short, sixty nine pages. It
looks like and like Parker said, it's about three minutes
of reading, about three minutes of praying, and about three
minutes of singing, and it ends up being ten minutes.
(44:21):
Ends up being about the time that is that a
kid can hold attention. And you like, we we read
through a passage.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
This morning was.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I think we're in Luke Luke eighteen and we read
through just a just a short paragraph and we pray
through it from that specific passage. Even Maverick every and
and he's his like his language is is you know,
he says, Father, thank you for this passage, give us strength.
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Like the words that come out of his mouth. He
doesn't even really understand exactly what he's sing but he
hears it every it's like the repetition of it. And
then we sing. In my version of singing is the
scripture songs that I've been writing, but but this is this.
If you were going to send your kid to public
school and you're worried about what might be taught in
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that public school, if that's your only option, then you
could rest in your training up of a child through
family worship. The rhythms of the family. The rhythms of
family worship. Catechisms are a great thing. Maverick does cate
catechisms with amber and and he's out, you know, the
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the the question and answer repeat, And you could ask
him right now if you see him today, you say,
who made you? You go, God made me? He's so quick,
you know, he's got all the catechisms like the New
City I think it's called New City categorism. He's got
it all down and really fat, Who made you? God
made me? Because it's just like a refin to him.
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These are the ways that we train a child. And
I want to say, before let's give this away, comment
family Worship. Family Worship. We will sign this look and
we will mail it out. We'll pick a random commoner.
Go to the YouTube channel wherever you're listening. Go to
YouTube and comment family Worship. The YouTube is ninety nine
(46:23):
for one. The podcast YouTube I only wrap this up.
At the center of the Christian faith, at the pinnacle
of our faith, is a man, a sinless man, hanging
on a cross, looking down at the people that put
him there, that drove the nails into his hands and feet, saying, Father,
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forgive them. They know not what they do. And to
the degree that that truth takes root in our hearts
is to the degree that you will see Christians with
less and less hypocrisy, less and less hatred, less and
(47:09):
less fear of other cultures and other people that look
different than us and worship different gods than us. Not
that we embrace those other gods, but we embrace the
people that bear the image of our God that still
don't know the gospel that Jesus came to save sinners,
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and he died on a cross, taking on the sin
upon his own body, the punishment that we deserved. Three
days later, rose from the dead, proving his divinity as
the second member of the Trinity. The God had God himself,
as God's wrath was absorbed in his body, those that
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look to him could be forgiven. And the more we
look to him as forgiven people, not people that look
to him, so that we can be forgiven, but people
that looked to him because we're already forgiven. The more
we remember that, the more we could see a mosque
and think, ah, people that I could the people that
don't know the truth yet, the more we could see
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hear stories like this in Wiley, Texas and think, Okay,
that means that there are people not like me that
don't know Jesus moving into my neighborhood. I would love
the opportunity to invite them to dinner or to share
the gospel with them. Let's let's let the gospel as
it takes root in our heart drive us that direction,
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not into fear and worry and anxiety and anger and
hatred and and and protest. Let's go, let's go the
other way into and to love our neighbor. Anything else
to add? Okayden, do we miss anything? Okay, we love
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you guys. See you next Monday. Lord Willing
Well, what's up. I'm Granger, I'm a man, I'm Tyler,
I'm Parker.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is the ninety nine for one podcast where we
seek the one and equipped the ninety nine to do
the same. And this is episode what are we at?
Episode seven seven. I've enjoyed this, guys doing this for
seven episodes. I hope listeners have to. But I hope
that this is something we could do a lot. And
(00:25):
we've made up our mind in the very first episode
that we weren't going to worry too much about the
reach of this podcast as so much as we reach
one really, and that the Gospel is part of every episode,
and that we take kind of relevant topics life issues
and we look through a biblical lens at how to
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approach them. Yes, which brings us to today. What we
got it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We have a story. It is Wiley East High School.
We do this podcast from Central Tech and so get
a lot of Texas news.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And I grew up not too far from Wiley. Oh really, fact,
I used to sing at the Wiley Opry No maybe
thirty minutes from where I grew up.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
So in relation to Dallas Fort Worth, where is Wiley
maybe which direction? It's it is Dallas for Dallas Fort Worth. Yeah,
it's been encompassed by that metroplex. Yeah, so we're talking
to northeast south North Yeah okay. An unnamed Wiley IOSD
employee has been placed on leave after an outside group
called Why Islam set up a table during lunch and
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offered students Islamic materials, including copies of the Koran, pamphlets
about Shariah and hijobs or headscarves, candy, and promotional bags too.
The table was connected to a World Job Day. Is
that how you say it?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Hitjob? Yeah, hy job okay, a.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Hijob Day event promoted by the school's Muslim student association.
The district says bored policies prohibit distribution of any religious
materials on campus without prior approval. The group Why Islam
did not receive authorization to be there or to distribute materials.
The district only found out after a student's social media
video went viral showing the event, and a staff member
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who escorted the group didn't verify that the visit was approved,
which the district calls a procedural breakdown. Fewer than fifty
students visited the table, only a small number took items
and tried on the scarves. The superintendent emphasized that the
issue is not about religion, but about procedures not being
followed and ensuring that public schools remain environments focused on learning.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Okay, So breaking this down in Wiley, Texas, there was
a school that allowed a group to come in. Islamic
group to come in, and they were very peaceful, they
seemed very friendly. According to that article, they were letting
the girls try on hit jobs. There's pictures of them
in that article. Yeah, questions about Islam, things like that,
(03:03):
and people got really upset when they find found out
about this. And and then somebody got fired. Is that right?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Somebody got it?
Speaker 4 (03:11):
They put on leave.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, it says that an unnamed wily asked the employee
has been placed on leave and I'm assuming it doesn't say,
but it says. I'm assuming it's the one who escorted
them and let them set up without making sure they
had approval to do so. I mean, who else would
who else gets in trouble for this?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And according to the article, these people came in, they
they went through the security, did did everything they needed
to do. Besides, whoever let them in didn't getting approved,
get it, get it approved by the superintendent.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
When you say that they went through, uh, well.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Like the normal screening. You go in and you signed
why are you here? And they said there were They
said in that article the reason they were there, and
it sounded like a normal reason.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I don't know what this podcast will be titled yet.
I have down I've listed like Texas Public School pushes Islam?
How should we feel? And I think a lot of
these podcasts will be something along the lines of, well,
how do we feel how to Christians? Not people, not normal,
not just like an average person, but how would a
Christian feel if their child was in a public school
(04:18):
and Islam? Maybe pushed is too big of a word
or a title, but they're bringing Islam beliefs and suggestions
and answering questions and head coverings into the school itself,
into the cafeteria, I think, is where they were. How
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should Christians feel about this.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
So being allowed to proselytize? Basically?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, and I say that, And I think why this
could be an interesting discussion between US four is in
light of the whole Ten Commandments thing that was happening
six months ago. Maybe it's still going on. A member
at our church is a is a maintenance technician for
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one of the school districts close to us. He was
literally one of his jobs about five months ago was
hanging the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Putting him up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They gave him the little Ten Commandment posters and he
was to go into these classrooms and hang them up.
That's what his job was. Not because of conviction, but
because of that was what they told him to do.
He is convicted because he's a brother of mine. But
but he said that there was it was crazy people
(05:36):
yelling at him, protesters.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Outside for putting them up.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, protesters. And this is a country this is
like a rural country school. This isn't We're not talking
about downtown Austin, which is no yeah yeah, and Wiley
for the record, once once was very rural. There was
a little Texas farm town and people will probably still
(06:01):
defend it that way, but it's been engulfed by by a.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Lot of doubts all the way around it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So so my friend, he said, even teachers were like,
I'm I'm gonna walk out on this if this goes
up in my classroom. So in light of these two
tensions going we got We got Christians wanting the Ten
Commandments and people revolting against it. We have an Islamic
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group bringing in this stuff and people pushing against it.
Probably Christians pushing against it, I don't know about It
would be interesting to see if there were any other
people that.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Pushed against non Christians, but not.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Like the same ones that push against the Ten but not.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Muslims, like a non Muslim, non Christian person.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yea, the same one that pushed against Ten Commandments. Okay,
so where do we start with this?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I mean to start with why are Christians pushing against it?
What's wrong with it? Fear fear?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What fear of man, fear of control, fear of change,
fear of a society moving in to take their society
that they would believe is violent and dangerous.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So the Bible says, how many times, do not be afraid?
Do not fear? So that would be the obvious, the
obvious go to. But then it's like school isn't what
it used to be. It's like you can't control what
others are teaching you. So there's options private school or homeschool.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Okay. I thought about that before we started this podcast,
and I wanted to make sure if it came up,
and it just did that, we have charity for people
that go I can't afford anyone. There's that I can't
do homeschool, well, I have to work.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Well, okay, so that is that the argument for because
I get private schools, there's tuition. I get that it's
expensive homeschool. Can't stay home with them because I have
to work. Yeah, So what is the answer then for
for public because those are the two obvious It's like
we can because you know, it all starts at the home.
(08:03):
Like you don't know when you're sending your kids off
wherever they're going. You just gave the answer that you asked.
You asked the question and gave the answer, don't send
your kids out. No, what's the answer, Well, it all
starts at the home, that's what you said. It all
starts at the home. Yeah, But that doesn't solve the
question of I got to go work, so I have
to send my kid to school.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, But if it all starts at the home, then
and they're being prepared and grounded the fact, that's going
to be what we talk about at our book giveaway today.
But if they're being prepared and equipped and told truth
and witness truth lived out by you. I say you
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because maybe it's you're a single parent. Maybe you're not
a parent, you're you're a guardian like a grandparent, you know.
So I don't want to say just the mom and
dad are living it out, but you guardian are living
out truth, reading truth, showing them truth, directing them to truth.
And then you send them into the world and you
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trust that the truth that you've you've given them will
give them strength through whatever they see. Because we're talking
about Texas here, what would you say to a couple
that to a family that's in Dubai or South Africa,
or or by whatever circumstance, in another country that is
(09:31):
not majority Christian.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
I do wonder if it's like I mean, I know that.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Some places like in a like see Saudi Arabia example,
it's opening up a lot more to a lot more commercialism,
a lot more tourism. Riodd is advertising everywhere, you know,
being I've talked about this just with you guys, but
you get a pro wrestling fan. Pro wrest thing is
a big deal in Riad, Saudi Arabia, and it's opened
(10:02):
up a lot of doors just in that in the
tourism side of it. But still what is from what
I understand, tell me if I if I'm wrong on this,
there are no Christian churches anywhere around there.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Like that's that's outlawed there in Saudi Arabia. Arabia, Am
I wrong on that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Well, it depends on what you mean, because there's there
are secret churches everywhere.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Not secret.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Driving down the street over here is a mosque and
two miles down on the left.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
As a Baptist, I.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Would be inclined to say that there are churches just
like there are in Iraq. There's church, there's Christian churches
in Iraq. There's Christian churches in Iran, but but they
are very They're not run by Westerners, that's for sure,
(10:51):
and they are like the ones that there's Christian churches
in Afghanistan. But they are ancient and very different than
the church you're thinking. It's not a Baptist church like
you're thinking of. So I don't know about Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
My point being as I saw that there was a
video the other day that talked about how many actual
mosques have gone in the like the last I think
it was three years, three years or five years in
and around Dallas Fort Worth, and it was somewhere between
thirty and fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
And we talked about this a lot, don't we. It
seems like it keeps making its way back the mosque
are coming? What do we do? What do we run?
Speaker 5 (11:37):
Could it be helpful quickly too? And maybe this is
just like too obvious for some people. Maybe we don't
spend a lot of time on it, But could it
be helpful to quickly talk about what is Islam? And
why are people even concerned about it?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Like?
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Are we concerned with are we just anti our kids
learning about any other cultures other than the us of
a baby?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Like is it like, don't bring a hit job in.
I don't want I don't want my kids tasting Moroccan
chicken like hot dogs and chicken nuggets only you know?
Or is there what is it about what Islam teaches
that would be contradictory to what the gospel is? Could
that be helpful to just quickly address?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean it's fundamentally a different faith altogether. They
actually cannot coexist the two faces. They can of course
co exist in and as far as so far as
we love each other and would have charity for each
other and would desire truth for each other, those kind
(12:45):
of things. But they can't exist as a as a
as a valid truth because they compete against each other.
As you know, Jesus is not the same Jesus.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But he is mentioned a ton in the Koran, which
is super interesting.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, our neighbors, he's a wives prophet.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Our neighbors are Muslim and Amy, My wife has had
conversations with them and they're trying to get her to
go to their temple because they want to convert her,
and so she's had to have She's tried to have
meaningful conversations with them, and they believe that the whole
New Testament is corrupted and that the Koran actually does
mention Jesus more times than Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And that is one of the highest respective prophets. Is
that interesting, Toller?
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (13:32):
And is lom Jesus is one of the highest respecting prophets.
I was, so, I was so surprised in that.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Thomas spends quite a bit of time talking to talking
about these things with certain.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Oh really, yeah, so I was. I was surprised in
that they believe he was born of a vision, that
he was a great prophet and that he will return
at the end of days. But I did not believe
that he was ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Well, yeah, what you were about to say is the
most important thing. Sorry, but I was just going to say.
When you have conversations, they that's always that they always
lead with that, Well.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
We love Jesus.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yeah, we agree with you, we love Jesus. They just
think that he's not the son of God. Yeah, they
don't believe he's God in client that he's the son
of God, that all of the Gospels got corrupted, that
Paul's writings got corrupted, or that he was just vastly misled,
and that Jesus's original message was not that he's the
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son of God, that he didn't come to take away
the sins of the world, that he did not die
on a cross. So they would reject all of that,
which is just always so fascinating when like all these,
so many religions would affirm Jesus, but then they deny
his deity and the primary message that he came to sin,
And so Islam as a whole teacher that all humans
(14:46):
are born with a clean slate, neutral and we have
to at the end of our lives, our good deeds
will be weighed with our bads, and then we hope
Allah shows mercy to us and grants us several lasting life.
But there's no there's no men. All men are born
into sin. We're all corrupt, our hearts are wicked. We're
not morally neutral, we're not actually good. We've all sinned
(15:09):
before Holy God, and we need that penalty paid for
us by a substitute.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
It is finished.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So there are different sects of Islam. And that's probably
one thing that I'm trying to think of what we
should say and what we shouldn't say as far as
getting into the weeds. But I'm actually looking through the
text of one of our friends here because you could
(15:40):
talk to The reason I say this is because you
could talk to two different Muslims and you can get
really different ideas, and yeah, this idea doesn't agree with
this idea. I have the Kuran in this other room
in here, and I have worked my way all the
way through it. It's not very long, it's not nearly
the length of the Bible, but but it's also an
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English It's translated to English because I don't speak Arabic.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
But but they which they will say, you haven't read
the Koran.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Then they say that, well, then you haven't read it then,
because it could only be read in Arabic. Which is
another interesting thing about the Bible, is that we say
the Bible, the word of God is profitable for all,
and it is. It is useful as we translate into
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our whatever our respected language is, from the Hebrew, from
the Greek, into English and German and Latin as it
first was, and all the different languages that we are.
We are encouraged as as Christians to to go through
translation work when we're thinking about the nations, thinking about missions.
(16:54):
But the Quran is like, no, only only Arabic. It's
the only true way to you to read this.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You said that they that's their thought on the New Testament.
What do they think about the Old Testament? Because the
Old Testament talks about Jesus.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I don't know, grand you do you know anything about
Islam's view of the Old Testament.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, for the most part, the Old Testament is good.
That's why the psalms are all agreed upon. You could
agree upon with a Muslim the psalms, and as you're
reading through those, it's That's why it's similar to the Jews,
where you could take something like Isaiah fifty three, the
(17:37):
Forbidden Passage we talked about a few podcasts ago, and
you could use that as well for Muslims, the different claims.
Here's here's what a friend said. This is where I
disagree that Jesus died on the cross for our sins.
Why the God, who is just and merciful, accept the
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sacrifice of Jesus for our sins when we are forgiven.
I believe Jesus sacrificed himself to show that, no matter
the adversary, we remain steadfast on our faith and follow
his teachings. Not sure exactly what that what that means,
but they this particular sect believes, Yes, he did die
in the cross, but it's not for what you think.
(18:21):
It's not. It's not for your sins to be forgiven.
He died so that you could remain steadfast. So fast
and what in faith? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And faith of what? Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Faith in God? Which is what all the prophets are
Jesus across. Let this be an example for you that
I'm willing to give up my life. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
A lot of people view it like that, like a moralism, Yeah, exactly,
moralism of just sacrifice yourself for others. That was just
a big bill to just show lay your life down
for others.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, he said that. And this guy is Sufi Sufi okay,
which is different. But something that happened that was confusing
is he says that he said, tell me about this quote.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today in forever Hebrews
(19:25):
thirteen eight. He said, I want you to think about
this deeply. I said, yeah. The author of Hebrews was
preaching to the Jews, and when he said this, what
do you how do you want me to think deeper
about this? You know, Jesus Guy's is the same yesterday,
today and forever. He said, Jesus is the same yesterday
means he was present in the past, he is present
in the present, and he will be present in the future.
(19:47):
Only God can claim this. I said, yeah, correct, That's
what the author intended you to know. So the question
remains who is Christ? And he said he is God
manifest as a human or God and human form. He says,
But the question is where is he now? This is
where I said, are you not Muslim?
Speaker 4 (20:10):
He's leading you into a trap.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Correct, friendly trap. You know, we love them. But this,
this is, this is where, this is where the trap goes.
I said, are you're not Muslim? He says, I am Muslim.
Not the mainstream one though, and he explains to me
the the Sufi order. He says, there's no difference between
any prophets Mohammed. Prophet Mohammad said almost the same thing
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in the past and the present will remain the same
in the future. So now he's saying, Mohammad, Jesus the same.
He said, oh, okay, I understand, I understand what you're saying.
And he said, he said, I was talking about the
spirit of Jesus, not the physical body. So he's saying
that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever because
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in spirit, well, we all come from God. We're all
made by God, and so we all have the spirit
of God. So we all have in that sense this
eternality in us because of we can. It's similar to
the Latter day Saints teaching the that we always existed.
And by the way, the question on where is he now,
(21:22):
He's seated at the right hand of God, the Father.
You know, that's where he is now. So but Anyway,
this conversation goes and like Tyler said, it becomes kind
of a trap, and people are worried because of the
mystery behind it, and because of these kind of traps.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Explain the trap.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
The trap is, he said, he's trying to trick Grangeer
saying where is Jesus. Jesus is seated at the right
hand of the Father. So how can he be seated
at the right hand of the father Father, if Jesus
is the Father, if Jesus is God.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, And I think that's where the misunderstanding is that
Jesus never said that he was the Father. He said
I'm the son. He's It's good, we are God, the Father,
son of the Holy Spirit. I am God.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You know, yes, say well, that's a that's a trinitarian
trap of of where then, who is he speaking to?
In John seventeen, who is she'sus speaking to? If if
Jesus is God, who is he praying to in the garden?
He's pretty the father, correct, because he's the son, right,
(22:27):
and the Father and the Son are not the same person, right,
same essence, same being one God, three persons, three distinct
roles between the third.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I could spend a lifetime trying to studying that, learning
about that.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
And definitely a whole different podcast on that. That's not
what this is about.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
But my point was just to consider, Okay, what is
it about this being taught? What even is Islam?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I guess I fear is I think that the fear
is that it is what we would say, I think
here in America is radical Islamic.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
That's right. I believe that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I think that they're looking to recruit people to go
bomb the school later, I think that that's what they
may not voice it that way.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And then we have, like said, good friends that are
like dear, dear friends and good people.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Yeah, yeah, America just has a bad.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Well that's how we portray I mean, for the most part,
every Muslim in a movie. That's especially if it's in
a you know, American battle movie. You know, they're all
strapped with bombs and they're all going to destroy. Now, yes,
it may be destroying life for us in a different
way in the traditional values that we've grown grown up
(23:47):
as grown up with as Christians. Yes, it would, you know,
it would definitely change that. But is it strapped is
it you know, coming in with a suicide vest I
think that's what people are thinking.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Way that the media wants you to think, where all
of us, all races, all religions are just puppets of
the people that are playing the game or making us
think what we want to think, what.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
They want us to think.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Maybe one day we really will get the Koran out
here on another episode and go through like top Parker said,
there is a virgin birth, there is a lot of stories.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
There's a backstory on Mary's family which is interesting in
the Koran.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, but there is a lot of There
is a lot of animosity toward the Jews and towards Christians,
very clear. Like I'm not just saying I think I'm speculating.
I could go get it and show you the highlighted
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passages of live peaceably until this happens, and then destroy them.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
So we can all agree that Islam is dangerous spiritually
and that is leading millions or billions to Hell every year.
So we can agree that it's dangerous in that.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
But also add add to that anything outside of right.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
That's so, That's what I was going to say, is
so should we feel about the same way with when
Mormon missionaries, which we would take everyone in this room
would take to be a false gospel or even you know,
atheist propaganda, or if some kind Buddhists come in and
they start handing out stuff from Buddha in public schools.
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Is your point, aunt, that we may not get the
same animosity as like all of a sudden the Qur'an
in Islam?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
But yeah, I think it's right on that. Yeah, our
our friends, our dear brothers and sisters in the LDS Church,
that many have been over here in this very room
with us. They're not starting any wars right well.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
And I wonder if right if they look at if
if your Muslim friend thinks looks at Christianity the same
way he just described himself.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Are you not Muslim? Yes, but not mainstream?
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Does he look at us and goes, you know, is
that how we look to him when we go well,
are I talk to a Mormon friend?
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Are you not the same? No, we're not the same thing. Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, we don't go to Amber and I for our
anniversary ate some sushi, h you know, and there's Buddhist
statue in there.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
And I don't start to you know, get tense and
start to sweat thinking that maybe the people in here
that own this Buddha are going to chop my head off, right,
Not that I would in the Arabic restaurant either. I
love going there and it says Allah is God on
the on the wall. You know, it's a wonderful place
in ground rock and amber, and I like to go.
(26:42):
But it's the it's the misconception of part partly like
Tyler said, what the media said, and partly what that
the radical side of that is actually done.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, gotta be honest about that too.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
And the people who are in an uproar about what
happened in Wiley, Texas, what are you in an uproar about?
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What are you upset about? Like that's that's what I
would be interested to know.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Like if those that are upset that they came and
set up a table, what is it that you're suit
that you're concerned about? And that's a genuine question, not
a not a trap. You know, it's not well if
you think this it's the you know, but is your
concern truly?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Because let me let me think what I think is
the concern is you see people coming into a public
school with with kids that are vulnerable, and they're teaching
them this mysterious way that I don't know a lot about.
But all I know is, you know there was bombers
and in nine to eleven that you know, flew planes
(27:42):
into towers, and and maybe this is the beginning, and
then then a mosque comes in, and then and then
pretty soon it's gonna look like Minnesota does right now,
and it's going to be just absolute chaos. And we're
gonna stop this right now, you know. I think I
think that's where.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
The fear comes in to plan a sleeper cell.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And w so they want you to think that it
was Muslim Muslims food planes into the different different episode.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
We've now we've just marked up to two more episodes,
right I I want to say that I hope everyone
can recognize on this podcast what we want it to be,
truly is like four guys sitting around a campfire having
a conversation, four guys in a truck on a road
trip having a legitimate conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
We actually talked before. Well, it's got to have enough
for four seats. But and we want to invite our
listeners into that this is not a We're not we're
not talking heads that are that are giving you up
to date news. We we want to more so model
what it looks like for four brothers in Christ that
are imperfectly walking and following him and and seeking to
(28:52):
know more about how to how to live out the
example given to us by Christ, how to think with
the biblical lens, how to love our neighbor, and how
to obey his commandments. Right, that's what we want to
do here. Model is that you.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Need to highlight that m perfectly imperfectly yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
not perfect, that should be obviously anybody that we're very
impure highlight.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Okay, so let's let's here's the pivot of this conversation.
Where do we stand with the Ten Commandments? The Ten
Commandments going into the I know where we stand with
the Ten Commandments? Where do we stand with the the
recent rule in Texas that they were they would be
hung on the walls of schools.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
My first thought was awesome, cool, my daughter's going to
walk into school, she goes to public school, and there's
going to be some reflection of her faith in that room.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
My initial thought was that, yeah, that's a good thought.
Tyler Barker Park are you going to send your kids
to public school? Have you thought about that? Your your boys.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
Planning on homeschooling for or at least elementary school as
of now, and then they'll go to they're middle school
or high school at a big school as a plan
right now, just because we're blessed enough so that Amy
can stay home. And I completely understand lots of people
aren't like that, but Amy can't stay home, and she
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really enjoys will enjoy and desires to disciple them and
teach them in that way, in a way that she
can control. And yeah, certainly does not harm any schools
having the Ten Commandments there. But there's also a danger
that can come with a society that is where Christianity
is cultural. And I think that there's a danger in
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thinking that it's the public school system or some federal
agencies job to teach our kids of either who Christ
was or how to be good humans. And I just
think it's like a very American temptation that that we
can fall into to think that we we work our jobs,
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we work hard, we provide for our family, and then
they go learn stuff somewhere else.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, it's I'm trying to think through my thoughts and
I agree with Aunt. It's like, yeah, it gives me
a good feeling. Ten commandments. But at the same time
it's like, yeah, man, I mean you're just equipping. It
starts at the house, it starts with the parents on
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you know, Christ is the solid rock, the foundation. Everything
else is sinking sand. So it's like, if that's the
goal of Christ is the goal, Lord Willing, how do
you how do you teach your kids who Jesus is,
equip them with that that truth, and then send them out,
you know, because you can't protect them forever. You can't
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hide their eyes from Muslim or all Buddhism, all these
other religions. It's part of me is like, yeah, show
it all to them. We know what the what what?
You know the foundation is right.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
But at the same time, like Maverick's about to start kindergarten.
I don't know what your plans are with him, but
if he was going to if he was going and
you knew that there was cically Islamic influences I'm talking,
or I don't know, or if you couldn't do a
private school, you know, he's got to go.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
To public school.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Had a job to do.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Wouldn't you have a desire to have a conversation?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Would you?
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Would we have conversations with the school board depending on
how hard Islam was, like if it's if it's just
a booth or whatever, you know, but then you then
it's like, what do you think about l G T
b Q classes getting taught to children and you so
it's like, you know, with their little minds, Like would
would you guys honestly say you wouldn't have a conversation
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with the school or something about.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
You pray about it on your on your knees, like
you use discernment you have.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Let me let me say what I what I would
want to do with my kids? I would want to
talk to the school board. Yeah, but I want to
My argument would be for neutrality, not not for the
ten commandments in and the and the Islamic teachings out.
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I would say all of it out. What's the purpose
of a school? What's the purpose of a public school?
To teach subjects relevant to worldly businesses and success in life?
Mathematics in which they don't do in science? How to
do your taxes?
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How to do your taxes? That's a good class Number three, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, are you writing all these new topics.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
They need to learn, like the mitochondria as the powerhouse
of the cell. That's just vital information like that.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
But but if we want to fight for the for
the Ten Commandments in our schools, then we must be
able to be willing to let anything else come in.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
That's just that's the tricky part. That's the way it is.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
And that you I was saying that that was My
initial thought was that, oh cool, you know, but.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That is well, I agree with your initial thought.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
And that was but that is the what comes around?
So are you saying around comes around.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
What does religion have to do with school?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Like I'm saying what does religion have to do with school?
It's it shouldn't have a place learn. It shouldn't have
a place in public schools unless you're in a private school.
That's that leans that.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Way, But that's the foundation part of.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Like even the Ten Commandments thing is kind of scary
to me, Like what if the Ten Commandments are on
the wall and a kid goes, what is that teacher?
Are you going to trust whatever this teacher says?
Speaker 4 (34:38):
The argument it gets that is like we're not schools
aren't set up to like genuinely teach kids how to
succeed and start businesses and do that. We're indoctrinated from
by the media. Again, what politics we should vote for,
what religion we should what God we should worship. It's
it's you know, it's just all out of our control.
(34:59):
Like I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Think think about the Ten Commandments out of context? Would
would be awful? Like what does that mean? It means
if you lie, you go to hell. Don't lie, you
go to hell.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
What does the first one mean? It means love God
with all your heart and soul, like above all things.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Every Who's God? Who is God?
Speaker 5 (35:20):
The Ten Commandments only condemns you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's just it's good news. Yeahs terrible.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
It's just you have to obey this, and then people
just say, oh, forget it. I can't do that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, So it could be the Ten Commandments could be
used technically worse.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Either it either creates a legalist, a legalist who's self righteous,
or it creates just a complete hedonis that says forget it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And now it's the opposite way if you want to
look at it, like it helps society, Like Jordan Peterson
twelve rules for life type thing like, hey, try to
be truthful, don't don't be unfaithful to your wife, don't steal. Well,
these are things that can contribute to a better society.
(36:02):
I think that was the original intent of the Ten
Commandments going in right, like, hey, these these are fundamental
ideas that would really help society and kids should learn them.
But it is religious and it comes from the Bible,
and if you want to bring that in, then in
this country we have to be able to say, then
bring everything else in. And I don't want that.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
So what brother, you can take out the Ten Commandments,
but don't you dare take out the Pledge of Allegiance.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Which is another religion in itself. Podcast for yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
And for that flag.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
So I think, all we can land this plane here. Well,
this is what this conversation is.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
What you have when you do pass a law or
whatever happen to have the Ten Commandments in, is that
now you have a competing I would say, competing religion
or faith across the street from you or across the
lunch room from you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
It's like a job fair, it's like a religion.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Everybody, bring your religion. We're having on Thursday, we're having
a religion. Let the kids pick what they want, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Uh, yeah, it doesn't have a place in religion, doesn't
have a place in public schools, and and and so
what do we do well, Tyler said at the very beginning,
we need to be equipping our kids in our own
homes because it's not the government's job to teach your
children about God. It's it's your job as the guardian.
(37:40):
Once again saying guardian, because I don't know who's listening,
if it's if you're a single mom or a grandparent
or you know, ideally we think of the family. But
it's your job to train up a child in the
way that he should go and he will not depart
from it. That is not a teacher's job, right.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
I agree. We'll get some comments. That's about yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Comments here.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
We also have nine one the podcast dot com. You
can also that's where you can ask a question if
you want to. It's something you don't want to leave
necessarily in a comment on the podcast, which we do.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Encourage the comments because we'll read some of those here too.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
But had a question that I thought was applicable we
have when the it was just the Grangersmith podcast and
it was just the Yee podcast. I think a lot
more people knew this now that this is completely separate
ninety nine for one podcast. We're having this question now.
I just found your channel and it's been a blessing.
I'm enjoying it and pointing my friends and family to
your channel. Great podcast. I understand the ninety nine for
(38:42):
one and I love that. However, what does ye y mean?
And what is the story there? Thank you all for
what you do. We're covering you all in prayer that
you will continue to be a blessing and doing what
you all do for the cause of Christ. That's Kelly
listening or watching from Lull, Kentucky. So thank you Kelly
for dropping us that message the elevator.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Pitch uh Tyler Parker again?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
What is he all right?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Honestly, it's such a long go. There's a YouTube video
out there and it says, what do you mean? Honestly,
she would get a lot better.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
In this video. I can link it is that today.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Maybe we need to do a new one, but yeah,
she'll get she'll get it off.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Send me the link for it and I'll put that.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So Kelly, if you will go in the In the
description of this podcast, I will put a link that
is just for you that goes to describe what.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
The brand anthem video that we did last year would
be best.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Awesome, Daniel said, pursue holding. Oh that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I forgot and I forgot reading this as that was
the book last week.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I was like, man, pursue I like this. I really
want to pursue holding.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Last week was about cussing, So I think I might
have led a crumb bum slip last fall when I
missed a big Buck great episode.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Where's he from? If you guys can comment where you're from?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Some do he did not see?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You missed a big Buck teller?
Speaker 4 (40:10):
No, just the feeling of that guy missing a.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah uh Noah from Grand Rapids, Michigan. Love the way
these conversations challenge me and make me think about my
own life. I love that one I had one from
Tyler says pure holiness, not crumbum. Absolutely love this podcast.
It has definitely become one of my top five. I
listen at least twice to really soak in everything I
(40:35):
may have missed the first listen Thank you and look
forward to next week's episode as it has become something
to be excited for us.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Thank you, Tyler, appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I love that comment so much. Man, that was so good.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Uh And if you're wondering what crumbum is, it means
you haven't watched the last episode, So go watch that
One's true.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Tandra said, love this episode. Especially loved the connection Tyler
made with the mouth being controlled by the heart and
how God gives us a new heart. Absolutely amazing. If
any of you get a chance, go watch Tim Hawkins's
comedy bit about alternative cuss words for Christians.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
I missed that part of it.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
We had on fire for him. Pure holiness. Hey it's
Marcus here from Manitoba. Interesting enough. My wife and I
had a little conversation about this topic last week about cussing.
I love to hear y'all's thoughts about this topic of
the truth from the word. Me and my wife are
both followers of Christ and both work at Christian businesses.
I'm currently in college studying the trade that I'm in
(41:34):
an amount and the amount of swearing and pervertedness of
speech and class is something I simply have not experienced before.
I feel like I have been equipped in this area.
Thanks for the episode. Last one here is from Matt.
Thank you guys for another great episode. I originally thought, well,
I don't cuss, but I guess I'll listen to this
episode anyways because I like to listen to these guys.
(41:57):
You guys made some great points about heart, attitude and
other things that convinced me or convicted me about things
that have nothing to do with cussing.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
So that's another point. We want to make it a podcast.
It doesn't always have to be about the topic that
you can get something from it. Yeap, let's do a
book giveaway. Well, then I'll wrap this thing up. Yeah,
well book here called family Worship.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
I actually just read that one like a week two
weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The second time we have we've only done seven episodes
in the second time I've done a Don Whitney.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Is that where you got the idea of playing the song?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Oh that's awesome. Do you know what he does with David?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (42:38):
We just do an evening of family worship. It's like
probably like ten minutes long. We read, I just read
a story from the Child Story Bible that I have
for David. We pray briefly, we just go on a
circle and pray and then we watch a song on YouTube.
Everybody sings. It's like two or three minutes.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Once a week.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
We do it every night, every night. Yeah, we just
worked into our evening routine. And one of the things
that I got from that book actually is if your
kids are I'm like, what's the point my son's too,
he's not going to get anything out of it. And
He's like, at the very least your kid will know that.
For whatever reason, we get together and Dad reads some
pages from this book. Every night, everybody closes their eyes
(43:17):
and talks for a minute, and then we all sing.
And I really like that part. I don't know exactly
what we're doing, but whatever it is, it must be
really important because we do it every night.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, well that reframe my things.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Also, they pick a song that we're going to sing
in church, and when I was over there, it was
a John MacArthur, you know on YouTube, this song that
we're singing in church on Sunday. They would listen to
that every night leading up to it, and so David
hears that song, they practice it, and then there's that
(43:48):
excitement when they're there in church and like, oh, we're
singing it now in first and in church, everybody sees
there's other people singing, and there's other people this is
what we've been doing all week. It's kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, So this is I've really advocated for this for
a long time on this podcast, and it really comes
from this book. It's very short, sixty nine pages. It
looks like and like Parker said, it's about three minutes
of reading, about three minutes of praying, and about three
minutes of singing, and it ends up being ten minutes.
(44:21):
Ends up being about the time that is that a
kid can hold attention. And you like, we we read
through a passage.
Speaker 4 (44:30):
This morning was.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
I think we're in Luke Luke eighteen and we read
through just a just a short paragraph and we pray
through it from that specific passage. Even Maverick every and
and he's his like his language is is you know,
he says, Father, thank you for this passage, give us strength.
(44:56):
Like the words that come out of his mouth. He
doesn't even really understand exactly what he's sing but he
hears it every it's like the repetition of it. And
then we sing. In my version of singing is the
scripture songs that I've been writing, but but this is this.
If you were going to send your kid to public
school and you're worried about what might be taught in
(45:17):
that public school, if that's your only option, then you
could rest in your training up of a child through
family worship. The rhythms of the family. The rhythms of
family worship. Catechisms are a great thing. Maverick does cate
catechisms with amber and and he's out, you know, the
(45:40):
the the question and answer repeat, And you could ask
him right now if you see him today, you say,
who made you? You go, God made me? He's so quick,
you know, he's got all the catechisms like the New
City I think it's called New City categorism. He's got
it all down and really fat, Who made you? God
made me? Because it's just like a refin to him.
(46:00):
These are the ways that we train a child. And
I want to say, before let's give this away, comment
family Worship. Family Worship. We will sign this look and
we will mail it out. We'll pick a random commoner.
Go to the YouTube channel wherever you're listening. Go to
YouTube and comment family Worship. The YouTube is ninety nine
(46:23):
for one. The podcast YouTube I only wrap this up.
At the center of the Christian faith, at the pinnacle
of our faith, is a man, a sinless man, hanging
on a cross, looking down at the people that put
him there, that drove the nails into his hands and feet, saying, Father,
(46:47):
forgive them. They know not what they do. And to
the degree that that truth takes root in our hearts
is to the degree that you will see Christians with
less and less hypocrisy, less and less hatred, less and
(47:09):
less fear of other cultures and other people that look
different than us and worship different gods than us. Not
that we embrace those other gods, but we embrace the
people that bear the image of our God that still
don't know the gospel that Jesus came to save sinners,
(47:32):
and he died on a cross, taking on the sin
upon his own body, the punishment that we deserved. Three
days later, rose from the dead, proving his divinity as
the second member of the Trinity. The God had God himself,
as God's wrath was absorbed in his body, those that
(47:53):
look to him could be forgiven. And the more we
look to him as forgiven people, not people that look
to him, so that we can be forgiven, but people
that looked to him because we're already forgiven. The more
we remember that, the more we could see a mosque
and think, ah, people that I could the people that
don't know the truth yet, the more we could see
(48:14):
hear stories like this in Wiley, Texas and think, Okay,
that means that there are people not like me that
don't know Jesus moving into my neighborhood. I would love
the opportunity to invite them to dinner or to share
the gospel with them. Let's let's let the gospel as
it takes root in our heart drive us that direction,
(48:37):
not into fear and worry and anxiety and anger and
hatred and and and protest. Let's go, let's go the
other way into and to love our neighbor. Anything else
to add? Okayden, do we miss anything? Okay, we love
(48:58):
you guys. See you next Monday. Lord Willing
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