April 14, 2026 • 42 mins
In this powerful episode of the 9941 Podcast, Granger, Tyler, Parker, and AntMan dive into a gripping real-world story that perfectly reflects the heart behind the podcast’s mission: leaving the 99 to find the one.
The conversation centers around a dramatic rescue mission involving a downed U.S. Air Force colonel deep in enemy territory. Facing overwhelming odds, injury, and isolation, the pilot relied on his training—and more importantly, the unwavering belief that he would not be left behind. That belief ultimately drove his survival.
From there, the episode transitions into a deeper biblical discussion, connecting this real-life rescue to the words of Jesus in Luke 15 and the promise found throughout Scripture: God does not abandon His people.
The crew explores themes of:
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Faith in the middle of fear and uncertainty
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Spiritual “training” through Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
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The reality of persecution in the Christian life
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The hope believers have in God’s promise to rescue and redeem
This episode challenges the idea of comfort-driven faith and instead points to a deeper, more resilient trust in God—even when life gets harder, not easier.
If you’ve ever wondered how to hold onto faith in difficult seasons, this conversation will hit home.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up of greater I'm a man, I'm Tyler, I'm
Parker ninety nine for one podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are here to echo what Jesus said that we
would go after the lost sheep.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
If you had one hundred cheap, would you not go
after it? The one?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And then there would be great rejoicing when the when
the one returned. That's really the purpose of this podcast,
and that's what we try to emulate. We try to
be We try to mimic the idea that as this
podcast goes out, maybe there's one person that needs to
hear a message here today from the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Bible and how we.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Look at the world and look at our lives through
a Biblical lens, which brings us to our topic today,
which by the way, we have all of our our
main host in the room today. We've gone back together.
We've gone for two weeks in a row without one person,
either Tyler or Parker. We had Amber and then we
had Marshall. But we're all back. The team's back, the
crews back. Barker just walked in, so he actually doesn't
(00:52):
know what we're going to talk about, so.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You should ask him what the topic is. Like you
did me do what you do know or talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I texted the topic this morning, which we decided to
change it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We changed it, okay, and and we're going to get
back to what you said because I think it's a
good one. What'd you say space?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Did you say space?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I was just talking about we could talk about something
with space since, like as of yesterday, I was the
furthest human beings have ever been away from Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So one thing I want.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To do I like to do, and I think you
guys agree, is as we make as we record these episodes,
we try to stay relevant and what's going on in
the news because that would help us, not because we
want to align with the world, but because it will
help us think about the world as things are happening
as a Christian through the biblical lens. That's why your
(01:41):
idea is good. There's people in space as we're as
we're recording right now, and they just went further than
anyone's ever gone before.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
As this airs, though I think they're back right or
are back today.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They should be probably should be back as this episode
is releasing them, because so we don't know if they
make it back or not.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
The first thing they hear the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Most expensive bathroom of that toilet stopped it up already
on the way, That's what I heard. Yeah, did you
guys see that? That's like this, This toilet's like trillions.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Of dollars and they stopped it up.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Was it trillions?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
That right?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I don't know if it's true. It's a whle away.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's trillions, trillions and trillion.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's expensive, trillion.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's the first time they've ever had a toilet and
on a spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's cool. I didn't know that either, this first time.
That was just the first time I got start the
Apollo missions they had.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
They wore diapers, basically, got it cool and the open
a window.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well part of the reason was one day
they they found floating v season in one of the
one of the missions.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Look it up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
We don't have to go there, we can look it up.
That's what today's about. So today's about something different. We
should return to that though, because it's current. But there's
another current thing happening. It's all over the news and
it's in Iran. And I told you about this, you
had not heard about it yet, and you hadn't pler
you hadn't heard about it yet, which doesn't surprise me.
I wouldn't have either. None of us are really like
(03:09):
avid newsgoers in this group. But and it goes along
with the name of the podcast. Really well yeah, but yeah,
the story goes along with the name and theme of
this podcast. And there was the F fifteen pilot that
was just shut down. Did you hear about this?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I did it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
He F fifteen shot down And fifteen is a two seater.
So there was a pilot. And you don't call it
a navigator, you call it the weapons systems system systems operator.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
They eject.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
First of all, it got hit in deep in Iranian
territory by an RPG shoulder mounted this fifteen Strike Eagle,
which ends up being just a total fluke that it
It ended up going into its intake perfectly. It just
went perfectly in there, destroyed the aircraft. These two guys eject,
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and but the wind takes them. They separates them by
many miles. Oh wow, the middle of the desert.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The pilot gets rescued, but the systems operator, who happens
to be a kernel, is lost. Enter the story that
we're going to talk about. What ends up happening is
the most expensive and the most complex and the most
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intricate rescue mission in American history ensues to get this kernel.
And part of it is I think the obvious thing
is this would be the greatest bargaining chip Iran has
in this war right now. To get this kernel, this
airman down, to get him and to use him as
(04:54):
a hostage and to use him as leverage would be
the greatest bargainingship they have with than Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Be huge, incredible for them.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But the other thing is America has a motto in
the military, no one left behind. We're coming for you.
And it's part of where I want to go. That's
where you said that it lines up with this podcast
ninety nine for one. How many of you that had
one hundred teep would not leave the one for the
ninety nine. Well that's the not in a religious sense,
(05:26):
so sorry, I leave for the one, and not in
a religious sense, but in a you know, the pride
of America since and it builds it builds trust, and
it builds hope within all military personnel to know that
if you're ever lost, were coming for you. This was
the case in Vietnam, this is the case in World
War One two. I've read many books about all of
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us have heard stories, endless stories of whether it's Afghanistan
or Korea or Vietnam, of these type rescues. But evidently
this is the most intricate, in the most expensive ever.
So just quickly, I'll run through this quickly, and then
we'll get to the Bible. The pilot was recovered quickly,
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but the second airman, the WSO, the weapons system operator,
was injured. We don't know the extent of his injuries yet.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't think I was one of them recovered quickly,
went so far apart. So one of them just so
happened to be in a place where they could find
for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So the other one, he lands in the Zagros region,
which is extremely mountainous, crazy crevices, seven thousand foot drop
off peaks. It's just insane. It's like something out.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Of Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
We watched a video earlier.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And he so he goes and he hides in these
mountains and he evades being captured for roughly one and
a half days. He actually hit the ground. This is
easy to remember. He hit the ground on Good Friday
and was extracted on Sunday, Easter Sunday. So the one
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thing to know here is that the enemy they want
him badly, so they're coming. Iran is putting everything they
have into finding this kernel in these in this Zagros region.
They're coming after him with everything. But what Iran doesn't know,
but what the colonel likely does, is that America feels
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just as strongly about this one man. And it's such
a strange cultural thing to Iranians to think, why would
you care? Just let him go, But because they know
we care, they're going to use him as leverage. So
it all works together. Enemy's coming, the good guys are
coming at the same time. What happens is the US
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launched a massive combat search and rescue mission of estimated
to be around one hundred and seventy six aircraft total,
plus special operations forces. The Navy six Sales Team six
was there. They used deception tactics to confuse the Iranian forces.
They they sent this whole I mean, and they didn't
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have any time to plan this. This was like the
very very fast. They created this really complex deception scheme
that were they were sending all the information into into Iran,
fake information saying talking acting like they're talking to each other,
saying we found them he's in this region. We're heading
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there now, we've got the you know, extract getting ready,
and so Iran hears it and they start sending their
choppers and their people that way, and in fact he's
he's over here and they have not found him at all.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So this huge.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Deception tactic thing, and then ultimately they were he was rescued. Uh,
we did lose the US A ten aircraft was shot down,
the pilot survived, and several other rescue aircraft were damage
or destroyed. Don't know all that information, but no American
was lost. It ended up being a huge battle, huge
firefight with the with the special teams.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
On the ground.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The guy and we saw this earlier at the colonel.
He's injured. He ejects. He has to kick his training
has to kick in immediately. This is a really bad situation.
Has to get away from the wreckage. This the first
first mission is get away from the wreckage, because that's
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where they're going to look for you. They're coming, that
bad guys are coming. And then he has to get
up to get to a place to transmit his distress.
It happened to be seven thousand feet two miles.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Up.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This up, this ridge and injured. He gets to the
top of this ridge and he sends out a signal
and his message was God is Good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But he can't leave it on because if he leaves
it on constantly, they'll intercept it and they'll get to
him before Americans. W So he has to turn it
on and then turn.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
It back off.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, just hoping and praying that that signal actually reaches
Americans before it reaches any Iranian.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And the message I went out was God is good.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's where they knew they had a location on him.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So they just we just.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Literally, in human turns, we moved heaven and Earth to
go get this colonel one hundred and seventy six aircraft.
He was hiding in a cave and trying to move.
You know, there's I can't wait to read the book.
I told it man later like, watch the movie in
five years. I can't wait to read this book. It's
(10:41):
going to be incredible. And then later watched the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yea, it reminds me of Behind Enemy Lines. Did you
ever watch that one?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Owen Wilson kind of a random, random actor to play
that role.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, or or a lone survivor. You know, you think
about what this guy went through. But for the podcast
for this episode, are you sorry?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Sorry? Do you know what his injuries were?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No, I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I don't like if it happened during the ejection or
if it happened in landing.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Maybe both.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know, and I don't know during this podcast
if the information has even come out yet.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I wonder you said he had to get away from
his records. I wonder what wreckage would have been around
if he's ejected, because I guess the plane would have
been somewhere else. But I guess still you got to
get as far as you got to get that plane
as possible.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, and then what comes down with you? The parachute
you're not going to take and drag that with you, you know,
and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I wonder if
he buries all that stuff, do you strip off and
then just take off?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I wonder how much of a pilot's training goes into
that survival after.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
A Evidently it's huge.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
All the news little programs that I saw said that
it he And that's part of what I want to
talk about in this podcast. He had to his training
had to kick and you're injured he has. He has
to ration his water, ration, his food ration, his batteries,
get rid of what he doesn't need, leave it there
in a good in a secure place. And how do
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you ration? Not knowing if it's thirty minutes or thirty days. Yeah, yeah,
he doesn't know at that point. If I when I'm
going to see home, yeah, I don't know. And but he,
but he, he knows what direction to go and he
knows to get.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Up on the ridge.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That must be such a crazy feeling. If you'll ever
watch Band of Brothers on d Day when they jump
out of the plane into France and it's like really loud.
They're talking to each other on the plane, they're all
getting ready, they're all nervous, they're all together, and then
and then like this the shot the way that it's directed,
they jump out of the plane and then you just
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hear the wind and they're just like by themselves because
they all separate. It's just like it all gets quiet
and it's just the wind and gunfire.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
And then then they land in the forest and it's
just the air.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, I'm talking about Brothers.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I'm talking Brothers. Was on the water like it on
the land and masters of the.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Air was the I'm talking about one hundred first Airborne.
And so there's two versions of Bander Brothers. One of
them is one of them is the battle on the
Pacific called the I guess it's called the Pacific.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And the other one, Bander Brothers, is on the European War.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
At the very beginning, they have to parachute and all
of them get separated in France. That's how Banded Brothers starts.
I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Scene anyway, So I can't imagine being a down pilot
and it's just like you're in there, you have colms
with your buddy in that F fifteen and then all
of a sudden, just like that, were hit in ten
seconds eject. Now you're just in a parachute and you
just land in silence in the desert, surrounded by I
mean one hundred thousand to one of dudes who want
to kill you and torture you. Wow, that's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So what I want to do is, I mean, if
there is a way for us to equate this to
the Christian life, because the Christian life is this times
one hundred, but we can't see it as tangibly. We
were reading in there in our study this morning. But
I will say this morning, said Timothy, and this is
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just one of many places.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But we are faithless. He is faithful.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Paul writes to Timothy. Indeed, all who desire to
live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
It's not maybe persecuted. There's a chance you will be persecuted.
You're inviting persecution. No, all who desire to live a
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godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. And so
that means the hunt is on, the enemy is coming,
and they're coming to take you out. In some sense,
the persecution happens. You're injured, you're famished, you're thirsty, you're scared,
(15:02):
and you have to move. So then the training comes in. Well,
we could finish that text, actually, because I mean to
do this, but it actually lines up perfectly. Let me
read twelve to seventeen. Indeed, all who desire to live
a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while
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evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse,
deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continuing what
you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom
you learned it, and how from childhood you have been
acquainted with the sacred writings which you're able to make
you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All
scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching,
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for reproof, for correction, and for training and righteousness, that
the Man of God may be complete equipped for every
good work. So we see this equipping, we see the training,
which is another way to say it is planning.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So you you're.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Scripture is and for Timothy, since he was a child,
then what it's what equips you flowing from salvation to
be a soldier for Christ? Right, because when that flows
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out of in Paul's thinking, because persecution's coming. So this
pilot you think about him everything he wasn't planning. He
was planning on being at the dining facility at the DFACT,
having lunch by now with his buddies and going to
hit his rack and go to bed or wherever wherever
he came from. He wasn't planning on sleeping in a
(16:47):
cave on Friday night, but he had to because he
wasn't planning any of this. None of it was planned.
He had to rely on his training, same with us. Right, Sure,
persecution's coming, but we don't plan when it comes. It comes,
And what are you going to do when persecution comes?
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What will you rely on? What will be your firm foundation?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, And you'll default to your like your standard, if
your standard. And this is not to meant in any
way too to attack someone's current state of where they
are and in reading the word. But if you if
yours is only reading it, reading God's word, you'll one
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time a month picking it up every once in a while.
That's what you're going to default back to in the
middle of the trial. But if you've been walking every
single day wherever that is where you'll fall to, Yeah,
and where where you.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Know it meets you.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So whatever the lowest point in your training that you
currently are, and whether it's go back to the military.
If you didn't train very hard and you kind of
just you know, lollygag through some of that and kind
of like I didn't pay attention to, well, whatever you did, absorb,
what little you did will be that'll be the base
of that you'll hit to go up to to then
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build off of that's as ready as you are.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can you imagine if this guy got up to that
ridge and thought, how do I turn this radio?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Exactly, No, he turned that radio thing on a thousand
and one times. Yeah, yeah, what was the exactly what
to do? And had a checklist in his head? Yeah, yep, yep.
That's why, you know, And I'm horrible about this, And
this is an area I'd really like to be better in,
and that is memorizing scripture because that comes to your
mind and gives you confidence and builds up boldness in
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you when you are in the middle of something.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Is that what you remember? And what?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh yeah, I remember a guy said this about this
and you know the scripture and the verse. It's not
just to be impressive or to win, to win Bible
quiz and in Sunday School. It's to be your training
when you when you come up against that obstacle. You know, like,
I don't even know what this is for right now?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what a good one is for what you're
saying to memorize is this one two Timothy three sixteen
and seventy sure, because it is when you memorize that,
that's kind of a foundation for knowing that you should
memorize more because of itself, all scriptures breathed out by God. Yeah, okay,
well I should probably memorize scripture. So it's a sure,
(19:24):
it's a good way to start right. That word that
Paul uses here is is and be sure to memorize
him correctly. Like we know a lot of scripture that
we were just taught and told kids that are wrong.
You know, you know, Paul uses this breathed out by God.
This is a word he coins here, God breathed. So
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do you mean that he coins Well, it's not it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's not in any other place in the Bible, and
it's also not in any other place in any other
Greek Greek writing in history ever. And he's not referencing
something from the he's not referencing anything. And he's also
not referencing anything that's cultural. It's it's either coined by
him or he heard it from someone close that didn't
ever write it until he did. Either way, it's uh,
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it's an it's an incredible testament to scripture.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's God breathed.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So let's think about this. This guy, he's he's relying
the persecution happens. He's relying on training, He's defaulting to
everything that he's known, overcoming the pain, the famine, the fear,
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the uncom the uncomfortable nature of everything that's going on,
the fatigue, the physical and mental and sleep deprived fatigue,
all the all these things going on. And but we
should ask, just around the room, what's one of the
things that's driving him? I would argue, I would argue,
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it's the biggest thing. And I'm not talking about like
his family is waiting for him at home. What's the
biggest thing that's driving his hope for this guy in
this particular story. What do you think that is? Because
then we could go straight straight back to the Christian life.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
But we've talked about it.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But it's knowing that he isn't lost, They just haven't
found him yet.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Hm.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He's fearful man, scared, scared for his life. That's what's
driving him. Imagine put yourself in his stores for one second,
in the middle of wherever he is, with hundreds, thousands
whatever of Iranians coming in a foreign country, hostile territory,
coming to torture and kill him.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
So what drives you more?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Running away from something or running to something.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
You mean, to the top of the mountain to press
the button.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
What drives him more the hope of rescue or the
fear of what happens if he gets.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I don't know if it's one or the other.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I think it's I think you're claiming that it's the fear.
It's more than the hope. It's what's driving it. Ant
said his primary hope is rescue. You're saying his primary
driving factor is running away from fear, which I yeah,
it's just interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I mean, I would argue, I'm just trying to
imagine me. The fear is part of the it's part
of the fuel. But I think here's here's what I
was going to say. What drove that kernel to the
top of that ridge was the American motto no one
left behind, You go down, We're coming.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Well, what drove him at the top of the ridge
was to get signal to press the button.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, okay, but that's besides the point, because you don't
care if you don't know if anyone's going to come.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Get where's that signal going?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, like what if amarans go, Well, there's an out there,
but we don't we can't really afford that, and it's
very dangerous and we might we might lose others. I
don't think you're climbing a seven thousand foot ridge. I
don't think you're going without water and without food for
multiple days, over two miles straight up the rocky crevice,
knowing enemy's coming. I think you put a pistol in
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your mouth and you pull. Honestly, I think that's that's
what happens. When fear drives you.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You go. I've had enough to see that. I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't want to be caught and skinned alive, or
be headed in front of my family, or have my
tongue ripped out of and put on worldwide television. I'm
putting a gun to my head right now and pulling
the sugar. That's that's the way to peace and rest
unless there's a greater hope. And in this case, the
greater hope was we are coming. We will stop at
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nothing to get you. We will mobilize one hundred and
seventy six aircraft, we will spend billions of dollars, We
will other lives. We are coming for you. Who's saying
that it's been the American motto in the history of
our warfare. And that's what the world can't understand.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Why were this Trump tweeting that coming.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I didn't follow what Trump was saying, but I just
know I'm just saying, here's in charge of saying that
we were coming. I know it's the American motto, but
it's that's what they teach the guys. In fact, that's
after they rescued him, they were reassuring other military men
and women. Remember you get lost, we come. That's what
we do. Look, we just proved it. We will move
heaven and earth. There's nobody else do that in other countries.
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It's a it's very much a cultural thing for the West.
Because this was happening in Vietnam. We were the Vietnamese.
The viet Cong could not understand why we would go
and bring all of this aircraft to get one down
to pilot in the jungle. They could it would like,
they're like, you're good, just coming right back into our guns,
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when you mean we could set up an ambush for you.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Why are you all so stupid? If we lose somebody,
it's honorable. We are sad, but it's honorable that that
person dies and we leave them there for the greater
good of our army.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't make sense financially to spend
all of this money and risk all of these other
lives for one person in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It doesn't make sense financially, And it also doesn't make
sense just in numbers of the war, like you're going
to take losses. Just take some losses and win the war.
It's okay, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
You say that, it doesn't make sense financially. But kind
of like we were talking about the other day in
our conversation about business stuff, It's like, how many people
are like enlisting in the military because they know this motto,
or how many people are raising their hands saying, y'all
go do this mission because of that motto.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's what my point is. Yeah, that's my point is.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
As a Christian, we move on in the persecut through
the fear, knowing the promises through the Bible that God
does not leave his people, but God will timothy.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Like I said earlier, if we are faithless, he remains faithful.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, that verse doesn't mean what you think it means,
though what in that context.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I don't know if we want to open up that
camp room, so.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I had to teach it the other day.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
It sounds like, if we don't have faith, God will
still save us. But right before that he says, if
we deny him, he will deny us, and then it
says if we are faithless, he remains faithful, and then
after that says, for he cannot deny himself. So it
sounds like, initially, if we don't have faith, if we
deny him, he'll deny us. So if we don't have faith,
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how is he going to save us? I don't know
if that's the way you meant it, Tyler, but it is.
It is really confusing. I had to think about it,
and the only reason I know, like I said, is
because I had to teach it. So I had to
listen to like six guys talk about it. But essentially
means if we are faithless, God is still faithful to
enact the correct judgment against those who deny him and
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send them to hell. Doesn't mean if we're faithless he'll
still save us. We have to have faith to be saved,
for he cannot deny himself and that he will always
enact perfect judgment. According to his righteous character not.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
To get off on and completely sidetrack this conversation, but
does that also go back to his covenant? Did in
your your when you're doing research on that part?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Did he ever tie back into his covenant at all?
Because even though we don't fulfill our part of the Covenant,
he is always faithful to that is true?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, I didn't connect it with the Covenant though.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Okay, sorry, we can go back to this.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, ultimately, what Parker's saying is you can't say, well,
if I don't have faith, God will still be faithful
and save me.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, that goes exactly against the Bible as well, because
without faith, no one will see the Kingdom of Heaven
without faith in Christ. But when you do put your
faith in your trust in Christ, then look what he says.
He says, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me. I give them eternal life and
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they will never perish, and no one will snatch them
out of my hand. He says that it's a promise
in John ten. So you move on through persecution going
my Lord made a promise that no one will snatch
me out of my hand. He also promised that I
will have trouble and I will have persecution, and that
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if anyone follows him, the world will hate him because
the world hated Christ. So you get a promise of
persecution and trouble and strife and tribulation and hatred, but
ultimately you drive on because you get the promise that
he will never leave you behind. And I think that's
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what drove that officer. When someone signs up for the
US military, they go, you know you're gonna have trouble.
You know you're gonna have persecution. No one signs up
to the United States Military and goes on the front
lines and doesn't have persecution, you know that, right, imagine
the seals. Yeah, you know this is gonna hurt. You know,
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bones are gonna break, you know you're gonna take bullets.
You know you there's a good chance you're gonna die.
You know you're gonna be You're gonna you're gonna see
your buddies go down. But if you're lost, we will
find you. And they go, sign me up.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And that's what we read in the Bible. It's the
opposite of the prosperity gospel of Hey trust Jesus, and
you'll have a good life, all the pain you all
the I saw a billboard the other day it said
God addiction, trust in Jesus or something like that. Have
y'all seen that. It's like driving on I thirty five.
It's like, if you have addiction, trust Jesus in the
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in the addiction will go away. Not necessary sarily. Now
that's a complicated different topic. You mean, we know that
Christ could free us from any kind of earthly addiction.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But there are also people that struggle with certain afflictions
for the rest of their life, trusting in Christ that
he will deliver them ultimately to eternal life. But Tyler,
you're not talked about this morning that you said when
I became a Christian, I think my life got worse.
It's the cost of discipleship, and that's the part of
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the promise. But the payoff is huge. And part of
the payoff is Tyler, your mind. I've called you by name,
I will rescue you, and i will get you through.
You will walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
But you don't have to fear evil because I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, but you are walking that valley you know that, right,
you know that's what the Bible says.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Yeah, but whatever he says, I'm following.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, you said something interesting, that payoff the payoff, but
the work changes because the payoff is now different.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it gets harder, but the payoffs way better.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
The payoffs way better. Yeah, because you fight for payoff
in this world, in this life. Yeah, through comfort and
nice things and nice a nice, a nice life here
you get you're not going to get the payoff. That's
a bad investment, you know what I mean. That's a
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bad investment. And and so once again, let's keep going
to this pilot. It's just such a great illustration.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The pilot goes, well.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I crashed. I could just chill here. This firel to
keep me warm tonight. I've got enough water in this
plane right here. I could just I don't have to
take any with me. I could just eat my water here,
eat my rations here, and drink my water. I could
stay in the shelter of this plane, and I could
use a parachute like as a blanket. It's kind of nice.
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He gets instant comfort, but there's no payoff in that.
It's a bad investment.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
The enemy's coming.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Yeah, the the enemy's coming.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
So the I guess illustration of that would be like
living a life of spiritual complacency or idleness and getting
comfortable in the world, I guess is your point. And
remembering that Satan prowls like a roaring lion looking for
someone to devour. So if he stayed there a sense
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in which we stay here and get complacent. Satan's literally
encircling us like we're his prey. Yeah, he's coming for
us if we don't have an active faith.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, the enemy's coming. The Iranians were coming after this guy.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And I think the more where we are of the
enemy coming, that helps us too. And that goes to
Tyler's point earlier about I think it's fear. Yeah, fear's
not eliminated from this, Tyler, like, fears not out of
the discussion.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, there's just more heart of it. There's just more
hope than fear.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But there's more hope than fear exactly. So you know
the enemy's coming, that's going to help get my butt
up that ridge. It's going to help me for sure.
But I don't think I'm going up that ridge if
I think the enemy's going to get me. Yeah, I'm
going up that ridge because I know the enemy is
not going to get me. Yeah, and I got I
have helicopters coming at the top of that ridge. And
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I think that's part of why he said God is good.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
There's a there's a part in that whole story too,
when they find him and and the US converges with
would you say, one hundred and thirty something aircraft coming in,
We had both sides, Iranians coming at him as well
from both sides that the Americans just down.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Fire all the way around.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But during this entire time, while they were waiting on
some of the the reinforcements to come in, there was
one reaper drone and all it did, and it says
in the in the video, we watched to day unblinking,
watchful eye and I just looked at his eyes on
the sparrow like it's just it sets and it was
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same guy, Well, the is the it never God's eyes
never blink. He never, there's never a millisecond that he's
not seeing you and watching you and covering you. And
I thought of that that reaper drone being in a
symbolism of that of just watching just to.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Make sure he doesn't go anywhere or do anything.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And no one does anything to him until the angels
get there.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, man, Yeah, because what's your talking about as a
sermon on the Mount where Jesus says, not even a sparrow,
there's no spa the Father knowing about it, that's right,
And that's the unblinking eye from above.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
There's so many good illustrations with this, this story that's happened.
Because I was talking this morning to Marv. Marv my
friend in South Carolina, and I was like, hey, man,
podcast today, but we don't have a topic yet. He's like,
how about that down pilot, which is interesting coming from Marrow.
I was like, Okay, what are you thinking on this?
And he said, he said, I think let me let
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me give you his exact quote because it was super interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
While you're looking to a man's point some one twenty one.
My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.
He will not let you stumble. The one who watches
over you will not slumber. Indeed, he who watches over
Israel never slumbers nor sleeps. The Lord himself watches over you.
The Lord stands beside you as your protective shade. The
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sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon
at night. The Lord will keep you from all harm
and watches over your life. The Lord keeps watch over
you as you come and you go both Alan forever.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So beautiful man.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So many promises in the Bible, And Marv said, he said,
I see in this rescue. He said, I'm pondering the
rescue in Iran and the connection between courage and trust
and the interesting idea of well, I could go and
read what he said. He said, I was thinking about
how much American culture champions independence and individuality, but that
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in general foolhardy, and that is generally fullhearted in the
face of danger. The rescued airmen that we don't know
many details yet seemingly relied on his training instructions and
the confidence and the confident expectation that he would not
be left behind. This affected his perspective and thus he
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made good choices. Courage plus trust equals hope. That's it
super interesting. So I think it's right. You need to
be motivated by something to otherwise fear ultimately will just
lead to your demise. You'll just say I'll just you know,
(37:15):
take the sword, and like they used to do in
the Roman times.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Just fall on your sword.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Just fall on the sword. That's literally the idiom that
we use today.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
But Jesus says, He says, do not be anxious about
your life, what you will eat, or what you drink,
nor about your body what you'll put on. Is life
not more than food, and the body more than clothing.
Look at the birds of the air. They neither sow,
nor rape, nor gather into barns, And yet your heavenly
Father feeds them. Are they not of more value? Are
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you not of more value than they? And which of you,
by being anxious, can add a single hour to his
span of life? And why you're anxious? Why are you
anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how
they grow? They neither toil nor Yet I tell you
even Solomon, in all of his glory, was not a
raid like one of these. But if God so closed
the grass of the field, which today is alive and
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tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much
more clothe you or you of little faith? Therefore, do
not be anxious, saying what will we eat, or what
will we drink? Or what shall we wear? For the
gentile seek after such things, and your Father in heaven
knows that you need them all. But seek first the
Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things
will be added to you. Therefore, do not be anxious
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about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself sufficient
for today's sufficient. For the day is its own trouble,
no one left behind for those who trust in Christ.
That's a reality we live in as Christians. Suffering is coming,
persecution is coming. But our hope is not in our
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ability to evade the enemy, or to hide, or to
somehow miss suffering. Our hope is that He is coming,
and none of his will be left behind John ten.
And so we push on into tomorrow and the next day,
into persecution, and when it surprises us, we rely on
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our training and righteousness Saw Timothy three, sixteen seventeen. All
scriptures breed that by God improfitable for teaching, for proof,
and for training and righteousness, that the Man of God
may be complete, equipped for every good work that comes
so often when you don't expect. Training always happens when
you don't expect it. A wide receiver goes out for
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a pass, and the pass is up high over his
head and a defensive back is coming up under him.
He doesn't calculate that moment. Should I jump on one foot?
Should I jump high? Should I turn around? He doesn't
think at all. He just relies on training. And we
read script sure, and we were equipped by a scripture,
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and we're trained by scripture, and we'll use it. And
so many times when persecution comes and we're not expecting it,
we're gonna say part nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So should we give aid? Book?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah? What'd you get?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I was pivoting off of last week's episode. I saw
a lot of comments. Had Marshall here last week we're
talking about church And this is another just super easy,
super easy little book. And it's fifty No, that's concluding
the notes. It's about about fifty pages. You should read
(40:39):
the notes, maybe you should. But this is a This
is written by a friend of ours, Alex Duke, who
was on the podcast. Remember Alex a year ago? Yeah,
he was on the Granger Smith podcast. Alex is a
good dude. And this is called what Should I look
for in a Church?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Very simple? And this is a.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Book that we would all agree with Alex. We're like
minded in this case. So what you should look for
in a church. We would agree with Alex in his reasons.
What should we what should we ask them to comment in?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Well, it's a long I'm gonna say that's a long comment,
but I guess last week's was too.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Man on the middle, Cross are looking for a church?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Comment below looking for a church on our YouTube page
ninety nine for one the podcast on YouTube or.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Whether you are or not? Put that in there so
you get yeah, book for the book.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, looking for a church, whether you are or not.
We'll we will sign that, we'll get in the mail
to you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
A few comments from last week, Well we got to
hit some of these. Troy said, there's so much good
energy with these four. Talking about the four that were
on last week, I think my plants outside are starting.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
To grow faster. I'm trying to still try to decide
if that was actually a comment or a compliment or not.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sam from Pennsylvania, this episode had some really good points
for me to consider as very new pastor still finding
my way forward.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Carmen said, love your podcast, and Andrew said a great Podfellows.
But Granger Man, I couldn't stop trying to figure out
what your hat Cross limbs or t limbs is what
I've always yea te limbs help me out crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
My shepherd is what that hat means. Tyler designed it
across L. I M the Lord is my shepherd, but
it's t Lord Like.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
We got my mom in the room, mom my mom.
Did we miss anything he did? Kayden, did we miss
anything we did? Okay, Yeah, we'll see you guys next week.
Lord Willing, Happy Monday.
What's up of greater I'm a man, I'm Tyler, I'm
Parker ninety nine for one podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are here to echo what Jesus said that we
would go after the lost sheep.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
If you had one hundred cheap, would you not go
after it? The one?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And then there would be great rejoicing when the when
the one returned. That's really the purpose of this podcast,
and that's what we try to emulate. We try to
be We try to mimic the idea that as this
podcast goes out, maybe there's one person that needs to
hear a message here today from the.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Bible and how we.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Look at the world and look at our lives through
a Biblical lens, which brings us to our topic today,
which by the way, we have all of our our
main host in the room today. We've gone back together.
We've gone for two weeks in a row without one person,
either Tyler or Parker. We had Amber and then we
had Marshall. But we're all back. The team's back, the
crews back. Barker just walked in, so he actually doesn't
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know what we're going to talk about, so.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You should ask him what the topic is. Like you
did me do what you do know or talking about.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I texted the topic this morning, which we decided to
change it.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
We changed it, okay, and and we're going to get
back to what you said because I think it's a
good one. What'd you say space?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Did you say space?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I was just talking about we could talk about something
with space since, like as of yesterday, I was the
furthest human beings have ever been away from Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So one thing I want.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To do I like to do, and I think you
guys agree, is as we make as we record these episodes,
we try to stay relevant and what's going on in
the news because that would help us, not because we
want to align with the world, but because it will
help us think about the world as things are happening
as a Christian through the biblical lens. That's why your
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idea is good. There's people in space as we're as
we're recording right now, and they just went further than
anyone's ever gone before.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
As this airs, though I think they're back right or
are back today.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They should be probably should be back as this episode
is releasing them, because so we don't know if they
make it back or not.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
The first thing they hear the.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Most expensive bathroom of that toilet stopped it up already
on the way, That's what I heard. Yeah, did you
guys see that? That's like this, This toilet's like trillions.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Of dollars and they stopped it up.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Was it trillions?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
That right?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I don't know if it's true. It's a whle away.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
It's trillions, trillions and trillion.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
It's expensive, trillion.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's the first time they've ever had a toilet and
on a spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's cool. I didn't know that either, this first time.
That was just the first time I got start the
Apollo missions they had.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
They wore diapers, basically, got it cool and the open
a window.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, yeah, Well part of the reason was one day
they they found floating v season in one of the
one of the missions.
Speaker 7 (02:47):
Look it up.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
We don't have to go there, we can look it up.
That's what today's about. So today's about something different. We
should return to that though, because it's current. But there's
another current thing happening. It's all over the news and
it's in Iran. And I told you about this, you
had not heard about it yet, and you hadn't pler
you hadn't heard about it yet, which doesn't surprise me.
I wouldn't have either. None of us are really like
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avid newsgoers in this group. But and it goes along
with the name of the podcast. Really well yeah, but yeah,
the story goes along with the name and theme of
this podcast. And there was the F fifteen pilot that
was just shut down. Did you hear about this?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I did it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
He F fifteen shot down And fifteen is a two seater.
So there was a pilot. And you don't call it
a navigator, you call it the weapons systems system systems operator.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
They eject.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
First of all, it got hit in deep in Iranian
territory by an RPG shoulder mounted this fifteen Strike Eagle,
which ends up being just a total fluke that it
It ended up going into its intake perfectly. It just
went perfectly in there, destroyed the aircraft. These two guys eject,
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and but the wind takes them. They separates them by
many miles. Oh wow, the middle of the desert.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The pilot gets rescued, but the systems operator, who happens
to be a kernel, is lost. Enter the story that
we're going to talk about. What ends up happening is
the most expensive and the most complex and the most
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intricate rescue mission in American history ensues to get this kernel.
And part of it is I think the obvious thing
is this would be the greatest bargaining chip Iran has
in this war right now. To get this kernel, this
airman down, to get him and to use him as
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a hostage and to use him as leverage would be
the greatest bargainingship they have with than Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Be huge, incredible for them.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
But the other thing is America has a motto in
the military, no one left behind. We're coming for you.
And it's part of where I want to go. That's
where you said that it lines up with this podcast
ninety nine for one. How many of you that had
one hundred teep would not leave the one for the
ninety nine. Well that's the not in a religious sense,
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so sorry, I leave for the one, and not in
a religious sense, but in a you know, the pride
of America since and it builds it builds trust, and
it builds hope within all military personnel to know that
if you're ever lost, were coming for you. This was
the case in Vietnam, this is the case in World
War One two. I've read many books about all of
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us have heard stories, endless stories of whether it's Afghanistan
or Korea or Vietnam, of these type rescues. But evidently
this is the most intricate, in the most expensive ever.
So just quickly, I'll run through this quickly, and then
we'll get to the Bible. The pilot was recovered quickly,
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but the second airman, the WSO, the weapons system operator,
was injured. We don't know the extent of his injuries yet.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't think I was one of them recovered quickly,
went so far apart. So one of them just so
happened to be in a place where they could find
for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
So the other one, he lands in the Zagros region,
which is extremely mountainous, crazy crevices, seven thousand foot drop
off peaks. It's just insane. It's like something out.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Of Star Wars.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
We watched a video earlier.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And he so he goes and he hides in these
mountains and he evades being captured for roughly one and
a half days. He actually hit the ground. This is
easy to remember. He hit the ground on Good Friday
and was extracted on Sunday, Easter Sunday. So the one
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thing to know here is that the enemy they want
him badly, so they're coming. Iran is putting everything they
have into finding this kernel in these in this Zagros region.
They're coming after him with everything. But what Iran doesn't know,
but what the colonel likely does, is that America feels
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just as strongly about this one man. And it's such
a strange cultural thing to Iranians to think, why would
you care? Just let him go, But because they know
we care, they're going to use him as leverage. So
it all works together. Enemy's coming, the good guys are
coming at the same time. What happens is the US
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launched a massive combat search and rescue mission of estimated
to be around one hundred and seventy six aircraft total,
plus special operations forces. The Navy six Sales Team six
was there. They used deception tactics to confuse the Iranian forces.
They they sent this whole I mean, and they didn't
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have any time to plan this. This was like the
very very fast. They created this really complex deception scheme
that were they were sending all the information into into Iran,
fake information saying talking acting like they're talking to each other,
saying we found them he's in this region. We're heading
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there now, we've got the you know, extract getting ready,
and so Iran hears it and they start sending their
choppers and their people that way, and in fact he's
he's over here and they have not found him at all.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
So this huge.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Deception tactic thing, and then ultimately they were he was rescued. Uh,
we did lose the US A ten aircraft was shot down,
the pilot survived, and several other rescue aircraft were damage
or destroyed. Don't know all that information, but no American
was lost. It ended up being a huge battle, huge
firefight with the with the special teams.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
On the ground.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The guy and we saw this earlier at the colonel.
He's injured. He ejects. He has to kick his training
has to kick in immediately. This is a really bad situation.
Has to get away from the wreckage. This the first
first mission is get away from the wreckage, because that's
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where they're going to look for you. They're coming, that
bad guys are coming. And then he has to get
up to get to a place to transmit his distress.
It happened to be seven thousand feet two miles.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Up.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
This up, this ridge and injured. He gets to the
top of this ridge and he sends out a signal
and his message was God is Good.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
But he can't leave it on because if he leaves
it on constantly, they'll intercept it and they'll get to
him before Americans. W So he has to turn it
on and then turn.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
It back off.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, just hoping and praying that that signal actually reaches
Americans before it reaches any Iranian.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And the message I went out was God is good.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So that's where they knew they had a location on him.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
So they just we just.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Literally, in human turns, we moved heaven and Earth to
go get this colonel one hundred and seventy six aircraft.
He was hiding in a cave and trying to move.
You know, there's I can't wait to read the book.
I told it man later like, watch the movie in
five years. I can't wait to read this book. It's
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going to be incredible. And then later watched the movie.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yea, it reminds me of Behind Enemy Lines. Did you
ever watch that one?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Owen Wilson kind of a random, random actor to play
that role.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, or or a lone survivor. You know, you think
about what this guy went through. But for the podcast
for this episode, are you sorry?
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Sorry? Do you know what his injuries were?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No, I'm curious.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
I don't like if it happened during the ejection or
if it happened in landing.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Maybe both.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know, and I don't know during this podcast
if the information has even come out yet.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I wonder you said he had to get away from
his records. I wonder what wreckage would have been around
if he's ejected, because I guess the plane would have
been somewhere else. But I guess still you got to
get as far as you got to get that plane
as possible.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, and then what comes down with you? The parachute
you're not going to take and drag that with you, you know,
and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I wonder if
he buries all that stuff, do you strip off and
then just take off?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I wonder how much of a pilot's training goes into
that survival after.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
A Evidently it's huge.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
All the news little programs that I saw said that
it he And that's part of what I want to
talk about in this podcast. He had to his training
had to kick and you're injured he has. He has
to ration his water, ration, his food ration, his batteries,
get rid of what he doesn't need, leave it there
in a good in a secure place. And how do
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you ration? Not knowing if it's thirty minutes or thirty days. Yeah, yeah,
he doesn't know at that point. If I when I'm
going to see home, yeah, I don't know. And but he,
but he, he knows what direction to go and he
knows to get.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Up on the ridge.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
That must be such a crazy feeling. If you'll ever
watch Band of Brothers on d Day when they jump
out of the plane into France and it's like really loud.
They're talking to each other on the plane, they're all
getting ready, they're all nervous, they're all together, and then
and then like this the shot the way that it's directed,
they jump out of the plane and then you just
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hear the wind and they're just like by themselves because
they all separate. It's just like it all gets quiet
and it's just the wind and gunfire.
Speaker 7 (12:56):
And then then they land in the forest and it's
just the air.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Right, I'm talking about Brothers.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I'm talking Brothers. Was on the water like it on
the land and masters of the.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Air was the I'm talking about one hundred first Airborne.
And so there's two versions of Bander Brothers. One of
them is one of them is the battle on the
Pacific called the I guess it's called the Pacific.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And the other one, Bander Brothers, is on the European War.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
At the very beginning, they have to parachute and all
of them get separated in France. That's how Banded Brothers starts.
I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Scene anyway, So I can't imagine being a down pilot
and it's just like you're in there, you have colms
with your buddy in that F fifteen and then all
of a sudden, just like that, were hit in ten
seconds eject. Now you're just in a parachute and you
just land in silence in the desert, surrounded by I
mean one hundred thousand to one of dudes who want
to kill you and torture you. Wow, that's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So what I want to do is, I mean, if
there is a way for us to equate this to
the Christian life, because the Christian life is this times
one hundred, but we can't see it as tangibly. We
were reading in there in our study this morning. But
I will say this morning, said Timothy, and this is
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just one of many places.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
But we are faithless. He is faithful.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Paul writes to Timothy. Indeed, all who desire to
live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
It's not maybe persecuted. There's a chance you will be persecuted.
You're inviting persecution. No, all who desire to live a
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godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. And so
that means the hunt is on, the enemy is coming,
and they're coming to take you out. In some sense,
the persecution happens. You're injured, you're famished, you're thirsty, you're scared,
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and you have to move. So then the training comes in. Well,
we could finish that text, actually, because I mean to
do this, but it actually lines up perfectly. Let me
read twelve to seventeen. Indeed, all who desire to live
a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while
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evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse,
deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continuing what
you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom
you learned it, and how from childhood you have been
acquainted with the sacred writings which you're able to make
you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All
scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching,
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for reproof, for correction, and for training and righteousness, that
the Man of God may be complete equipped for every
good work. So we see this equipping, we see the training,
which is another way to say it is planning.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So you you're.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Scripture is and for Timothy, since he was a child,
then what it's what equips you flowing from salvation to
be a soldier for Christ? Right, because when that flows
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out of in Paul's thinking, because persecution's coming. So this
pilot you think about him everything he wasn't planning. He
was planning on being at the dining facility at the DFACT,
having lunch by now with his buddies and going to
hit his rack and go to bed or wherever wherever
he came from. He wasn't planning on sleeping in a
(16:47):
cave on Friday night, but he had to because he
wasn't planning any of this. None of it was planned.
He had to rely on his training, same with us. Right, Sure,
persecution's coming, but we don't plan when it comes. It comes,
And what are you going to do when persecution comes?
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What will you rely on? What will be your firm foundation?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, And you'll default to your like your standard, if
your standard. And this is not to meant in any
way too to attack someone's current state of where they
are and in reading the word. But if you if
yours is only reading it, reading God's word, you'll one
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time a month picking it up every once in a while.
That's what you're going to default back to in the
middle of the trial. But if you've been walking every
single day wherever that is where you'll fall to, Yeah,
and where where you.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Know it meets you.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
So whatever the lowest point in your training that you
currently are, and whether it's go back to the military.
If you didn't train very hard and you kind of
just you know, lollygag through some of that and kind
of like I didn't pay attention to, well, whatever you did, absorb,
what little you did will be that'll be the base
of that you'll hit to go up to to then
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build off of that's as ready as you are.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can you imagine if this guy got up to that
ridge and thought, how do I turn this radio?
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Exactly, No, he turned that radio thing on a thousand
and one times. Yeah, yeah, what was the exactly what
to do? And had a checklist in his head? Yeah, yep, yep.
That's why, you know, And I'm horrible about this, And
this is an area I'd really like to be better in,
and that is memorizing scripture because that comes to your
mind and gives you confidence and builds up boldness in
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you when you are in the middle of something.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Is that what you remember? And what?
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh yeah, I remember a guy said this about this
and you know the scripture and the verse. It's not
just to be impressive or to win, to win Bible
quiz and in Sunday School. It's to be your training
when you when you come up against that obstacle. You know, like,
I don't even know what this is for right now?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
You know what a good one is for what you're
saying to memorize is this one two Timothy three sixteen
and seventy sure, because it is when you memorize that,
that's kind of a foundation for knowing that you should
memorize more because of itself, all scriptures breathed out by God. Yeah, okay,
well I should probably memorize scripture. So it's a sure,
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it's a good way to start right. That word that
Paul uses here is is and be sure to memorize
him correctly. Like we know a lot of scripture that
we were just taught and told kids that are wrong.
You know, you know, Paul uses this breathed out by God.
This is a word he coins here, God breathed. So
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do you mean that he coins Well, it's not it.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It's not in any other place in the Bible, and
it's also not in any other place in any other
Greek Greek writing in history ever. And he's not referencing
something from the he's not referencing anything. And he's also
not referencing anything that's cultural. It's it's either coined by
him or he heard it from someone close that didn't
ever write it until he did. Either way, it's uh,
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it's an it's an incredible testament to scripture.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's God breathed.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So let's think about this. This guy, he's he's relying
the persecution happens. He's relying on training, He's defaulting to
everything that he's known, overcoming the pain, the famine, the fear,
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the uncom the uncomfortable nature of everything that's going on,
the fatigue, the physical and mental and sleep deprived fatigue,
all the all these things going on. And but we
should ask, just around the room, what's one of the
things that's driving him? I would argue, I would argue,
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it's the biggest thing. And I'm not talking about like
his family is waiting for him at home. What's the
biggest thing that's driving his hope for this guy in
this particular story. What do you think that is? Because
then we could go straight straight back to the Christian life.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
But we've talked about it.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But it's knowing that he isn't lost, They just haven't
found him yet.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Hm.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
He's fearful man, scared, scared for his life. That's what's
driving him. Imagine put yourself in his stores for one second,
in the middle of wherever he is, with hundreds, thousands
whatever of Iranians coming in a foreign country, hostile territory,
coming to torture and kill him.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
So what drives you more?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Running away from something or running to something.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
You mean, to the top of the mountain to press
the button.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
What drives him more the hope of rescue or the
fear of what happens if he gets.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I don't know if it's one or the other.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
I think it's I think you're claiming that it's the fear.
It's more than the hope. It's what's driving it. Ant
said his primary hope is rescue. You're saying his primary
driving factor is running away from fear, which I yeah,
it's just interesting.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Yeah, I mean, I would argue, I'm just trying to
imagine me. The fear is part of the it's part
of the fuel. But I think here's here's what I
was going to say. What drove that kernel to the
top of that ridge was the American motto no one
left behind, You go down, We're coming.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Well, what drove him at the top of the ridge
was to get signal to press the button.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Okay, okay, but that's besides the point, because you don't
care if you don't know if anyone's going to come.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Get where's that signal going?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, like what if amarans go, Well, there's an out there,
but we don't we can't really afford that, and it's
very dangerous and we might we might lose others. I
don't think you're climbing a seven thousand foot ridge. I
don't think you're going without water and without food for
multiple days, over two miles straight up the rocky crevice,
knowing enemy's coming. I think you put a pistol in
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your mouth and you pull. Honestly, I think that's that's
what happens. When fear drives you.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
You go. I've had enough to see that. I don't.
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
I don't want to be caught and skinned alive, or
be headed in front of my family, or have my
tongue ripped out of and put on worldwide television. I'm
putting a gun to my head right now and pulling
the sugar. That's that's the way to peace and rest
unless there's a greater hope. And in this case, the
greater hope was we are coming. We will stop at
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nothing to get you. We will mobilize one hundred and
seventy six aircraft, we will spend billions of dollars, We
will other lives. We are coming for you. Who's saying
that it's been the American motto in the history of
our warfare. And that's what the world can't understand.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Why were this Trump tweeting that coming.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I didn't follow what Trump was saying, but I just
know I'm just saying, here's in charge of saying that
we were coming. I know it's the American motto, but
it's that's what they teach the guys. In fact, that's
after they rescued him, they were reassuring other military men
and women. Remember you get lost, we come. That's what
we do. Look, we just proved it. We will move
heaven and earth. There's nobody else do that in other countries.
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It's a it's very much a cultural thing for the West.
Because this was happening in Vietnam. We were the Vietnamese.
The viet Cong could not understand why we would go
and bring all of this aircraft to get one down
to pilot in the jungle. They could it would like,
they're like, you're good, just coming right back into our guns,
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when you mean we could set up an ambush for you.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
This is great.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Why are you all so stupid? If we lose somebody,
it's honorable. We are sad, but it's honorable that that
person dies and we leave them there for the greater
good of our army.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't make sense financially to spend
all of this money and risk all of these other
lives for one person in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
It doesn't make sense financially, And it also doesn't make
sense just in numbers of the war, like you're going
to take losses. Just take some losses and win the war.
It's okay, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
You say that, it doesn't make sense financially. But kind
of like we were talking about the other day in
our conversation about business stuff, It's like, how many people
are like enlisting in the military because they know this motto,
or how many people are raising their hands saying, y'all
go do this mission because of that motto.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's what my point is. Yeah, that's my point is.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
As a Christian, we move on in the persecut through
the fear, knowing the promises through the Bible that God
does not leave his people, but God will timothy.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Like I said earlier, if we are faithless, he remains faithful.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, that verse doesn't mean what you think it means,
though what in that context.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I don't know if we want to open up that
camp room, so.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Go for it.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I had to teach it the other day.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
It sounds like, if we don't have faith, God will
still save us. But right before that he says, if
we deny him, he will deny us, and then it
says if we are faithless, he remains faithful, and then
after that says, for he cannot deny himself. So it
sounds like, initially, if we don't have faith, if we
deny him, he'll deny us. So if we don't have faith,
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how is he going to save us? I don't know
if that's the way you meant it, Tyler, but it is.
It is really confusing. I had to think about it,
and the only reason I know, like I said, is
because I had to teach it. So I had to
listen to like six guys talk about it. But essentially
means if we are faithless, God is still faithful to
enact the correct judgment against those who deny him and
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send them to hell. Doesn't mean if we're faithless he'll
still save us. We have to have faith to be saved,
for he cannot deny himself and that he will always
enact perfect judgment. According to his righteous character not.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
To get off on and completely sidetrack this conversation, but
does that also go back to his covenant? Did in
your your when you're doing research on that part?
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Did he ever tie back into his covenant at all?
Because even though we don't fulfill our part of the Covenant,
he is always faithful to that is true?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah, I didn't connect it with the Covenant though.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Okay, sorry, we can go back to this.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I mean, ultimately, what Parker's saying is you can't say, well,
if I don't have faith, God will still be faithful
and save me.
Speaker 5 (27:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Well, that goes exactly against the Bible as well, because
without faith, no one will see the Kingdom of Heaven
without faith in Christ. But when you do put your
faith in your trust in Christ, then look what he says.
He says, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me. I give them eternal life and
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they will never perish, and no one will snatch them
out of my hand. He says that it's a promise
in John ten. So you move on through persecution going
my Lord made a promise that no one will snatch
me out of my hand. He also promised that I
will have trouble and I will have persecution, and that
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if anyone follows him, the world will hate him because
the world hated Christ. So you get a promise of
persecution and trouble and strife and tribulation and hatred, but
ultimately you drive on because you get the promise that
he will never leave you behind. And I think that's
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what drove that officer. When someone signs up for the
US military, they go, you know you're gonna have trouble.
You know you're gonna have persecution. No one signs up
to the United States Military and goes on the front
lines and doesn't have persecution, you know that, right, imagine
the seals. Yeah, you know this is gonna hurt. You know,
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bones are gonna break, you know you're gonna take bullets.
You know you there's a good chance you're gonna die.
You know you're gonna be You're gonna you're gonna see
your buddies go down. But if you're lost, we will
find you. And they go, sign me up.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
And that's what we read in the Bible. It's the
opposite of the prosperity gospel of Hey trust Jesus, and
you'll have a good life, all the pain you all
the I saw a billboard the other day it said
God addiction, trust in Jesus or something like that. Have
y'all seen that. It's like driving on I thirty five.
It's like, if you have addiction, trust Jesus in the
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in the addiction will go away. Not necessary sarily. Now
that's a complicated different topic. You mean, we know that
Christ could free us from any kind of earthly addiction.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But there are also people that struggle with certain afflictions
for the rest of their life, trusting in Christ that
he will deliver them ultimately to eternal life. But Tyler,
you're not talked about this morning that you said when
I became a Christian, I think my life got worse.
It's the cost of discipleship, and that's the part of
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the promise. But the payoff is huge. And part of
the payoff is Tyler, your mind. I've called you by name,
I will rescue you, and i will get you through.
You will walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
But you don't have to fear evil because I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, but you are walking that valley you know that, right,
you know that's what the Bible says.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Yeah, but whatever he says, I'm following.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, you said something interesting, that payoff the payoff, but
the work changes because the payoff is now different.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Yeah. Yeah, it gets harder, but the payoffs way better.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
The payoffs way better. Yeah, because you fight for payoff
in this world, in this life. Yeah, through comfort and
nice things and nice a nice, a nice life here
you get you're not going to get the payoff. That's
a bad investment, you know what I mean. That's a
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bad investment. And and so once again, let's keep going
to this pilot. It's just such a great illustration.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
The pilot goes, well.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I crashed. I could just chill here. This firel to
keep me warm tonight. I've got enough water in this
plane right here. I could just I don't have to
take any with me. I could just eat my water here,
eat my rations here, and drink my water. I could
stay in the shelter of this plane, and I could
use a parachute like as a blanket. It's kind of nice.
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He gets instant comfort, but there's no payoff in that.
It's a bad investment.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Terrible.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
The enemy's coming.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Yeah, the the enemy's coming.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
So the I guess illustration of that would be like
living a life of spiritual complacency or idleness and getting
comfortable in the world, I guess is your point. And
remembering that Satan prowls like a roaring lion looking for
someone to devour. So if he stayed there a sense
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in which we stay here and get complacent. Satan's literally
encircling us like we're his prey. Yeah, he's coming for
us if we don't have an active faith.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, the enemy's coming. The Iranians were coming after this guy.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
And I think the more where we are of the
enemy coming, that helps us too. And that goes to
Tyler's point earlier about I think it's fear. Yeah, fear's
not eliminated from this, Tyler, like, fears not out of
the discussion.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Yeah, there's just more heart of it. There's just more
hope than fear.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But there's more hope than fear exactly. So you know
the enemy's coming, that's going to help get my butt
up that ridge. It's going to help me for sure.
But I don't think I'm going up that ridge if
I think the enemy's going to get me. Yeah, I'm
going up that ridge because I know the enemy is
not going to get me. Yeah, and I got I
have helicopters coming at the top of that ridge. And
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I think that's part of why he said God is good.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
There's a there's a part in that whole story too,
when they find him and and the US converges with
would you say, one hundred and thirty something aircraft coming in,
We had both sides, Iranians coming at him as well
from both sides that the Americans just down.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Fire all the way around.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
But during this entire time, while they were waiting on
some of the the reinforcements to come in, there was
one reaper drone and all it did, and it says
in the in the video, we watched to day unblinking,
watchful eye and I just looked at his eyes on
the sparrow like it's just it sets and it was
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same guy, Well, the is the it never God's eyes
never blink. He never, there's never a millisecond that he's
not seeing you and watching you and covering you. And
I thought of that that reaper drone being in a
symbolism of that of just watching just to.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Make sure he doesn't go anywhere or do anything.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And no one does anything to him until the angels
get there.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah, man, Yeah, because what's your talking about as a
sermon on the Mount where Jesus says, not even a sparrow,
there's no spa the Father knowing about it, that's right,
And that's the unblinking eye from above.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
There's so many good illustrations with this, this story that's happened.
Because I was talking this morning to Marv. Marv my
friend in South Carolina, and I was like, hey, man,
podcast today, but we don't have a topic yet. He's like,
how about that down pilot, which is interesting coming from Marrow.
I was like, Okay, what are you thinking on this?
And he said, he said, I think let me let
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me give you his exact quote because it was super interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
While you're looking to a man's point some one twenty one.
My help comes from the Lord who made heaven and earth.
He will not let you stumble. The one who watches
over you will not slumber. Indeed, he who watches over
Israel never slumbers nor sleeps. The Lord himself watches over you.
The Lord stands beside you as your protective shade. The
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sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon
at night. The Lord will keep you from all harm
and watches over your life. The Lord keeps watch over
you as you come and you go both Alan forever.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
So beautiful man.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
So many promises in the Bible, And Marv said, he said,
I see in this rescue. He said, I'm pondering the
rescue in Iran and the connection between courage and trust
and the interesting idea of well, I could go and
read what he said. He said, I was thinking about
how much American culture champions independence and individuality, but that
(36:30):
in general foolhardy, and that is generally fullhearted in the
face of danger. The rescued airmen that we don't know
many details yet seemingly relied on his training instructions and
the confidence and the confident expectation that he would not
be left behind. This affected his perspective and thus he
(36:53):
made good choices. Courage plus trust equals hope. That's it
super interesting. So I think it's right. You need to
be motivated by something to otherwise fear ultimately will just
lead to your demise. You'll just say I'll just you know,
(37:15):
take the sword, and like they used to do in
the Roman times.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
Just fall on your sword.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Just fall on the sword. That's literally the idiom that
we use today.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
But Jesus says, He says, do not be anxious about
your life, what you will eat, or what you drink,
nor about your body what you'll put on. Is life
not more than food, and the body more than clothing.
Look at the birds of the air. They neither sow,
nor rape, nor gather into barns, And yet your heavenly
Father feeds them. Are they not of more value? Are
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you not of more value than they? And which of you,
by being anxious, can add a single hour to his
span of life? And why you're anxious? Why are you
anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how
they grow? They neither toil nor Yet I tell you
even Solomon, in all of his glory, was not a
raid like one of these. But if God so closed
the grass of the field, which today is alive and
(38:08):
tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much
more clothe you or you of little faith? Therefore, do
not be anxious, saying what will we eat, or what
will we drink? Or what shall we wear? For the
gentile seek after such things, and your Father in heaven
knows that you need them all. But seek first the
Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things
will be added to you. Therefore, do not be anxious
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about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself sufficient
for today's sufficient. For the day is its own trouble,
no one left behind for those who trust in Christ.
That's a reality we live in as Christians. Suffering is coming,
persecution is coming. But our hope is not in our
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ability to evade the enemy, or to hide, or to
somehow miss suffering. Our hope is that He is coming,
and none of his will be left behind John ten.
And so we push on into tomorrow and the next day,
into persecution, and when it surprises us, we rely on
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our training and righteousness Saw Timothy three, sixteen seventeen. All
scriptures breed that by God improfitable for teaching, for proof,
and for training and righteousness, that the Man of God
may be complete, equipped for every good work that comes
so often when you don't expect. Training always happens when
you don't expect it. A wide receiver goes out for
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a pass, and the pass is up high over his
head and a defensive back is coming up under him.
He doesn't calculate that moment. Should I jump on one foot?
Should I jump high? Should I turn around? He doesn't
think at all. He just relies on training. And we
read script sure, and we were equipped by a scripture,
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and we're trained by scripture, and we'll use it. And
so many times when persecution comes and we're not expecting it,
we're gonna say part nothing.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
So should we give aid? Book?
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yeah? What'd you get?
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I was pivoting off of last week's episode. I saw
a lot of comments. Had Marshall here last week we're
talking about church And this is another just super easy,
super easy little book. And it's fifty No, that's concluding
the notes. It's about about fifty pages. You should read
(40:39):
the notes, maybe you should. But this is a This
is written by a friend of ours, Alex Duke, who
was on the podcast. Remember Alex a year ago? Yeah,
he was on the Granger Smith podcast. Alex is a
good dude. And this is called what Should I look
for in a Church?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Very simple? And this is a.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Book that we would all agree with Alex. We're like
minded in this case. So what you should look for
in a church. We would agree with Alex in his reasons.
What should we what should we ask them to comment in?
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Well, it's a long I'm gonna say that's a long comment,
but I guess last week's was too.
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Man on the middle, Cross are looking for a church?
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Comment below looking for a church on our YouTube page
ninety nine for one the podcast on YouTube or.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Whether you are or not? Put that in there so
you get yeah, book for the book.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, looking for a church, whether you are or not.
We'll we will sign that, we'll get in the mail
to you.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
A few comments from last week, Well we got to
hit some of these. Troy said, there's so much good
energy with these four. Talking about the four that were
on last week, I think my plants outside are starting.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
To grow faster. I'm trying to still try to decide
if that was actually a comment or a compliment or not.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Sam from Pennsylvania, this episode had some really good points
for me to consider as very new pastor still finding
my way forward.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Carmen said, love your podcast, and Andrew said a great Podfellows.
But Granger Man, I couldn't stop trying to figure out
what your hat Cross limbs or t limbs is what
I've always yea te limbs help me out crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
My shepherd is what that hat means. Tyler designed it
across L. I M the Lord is my shepherd, but
it's t Lord Like.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
We got my mom in the room, mom my mom.
Did we miss anything he did? Kayden, did we miss
anything we did? Okay, Yeah, we'll see you guys next week.
Lord Willing, Happy Monday.
Host
Granger Smith
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