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August 8, 2024 24 mins

Episode 333 - "The Baller Alert Show" Feat: Ferrari Simmons & You Know BT Produced by: Octavia March

Topics include: Tennis Hardships, Early Struggles, Motherhood, Ranking #7 In The World and Winning Wimbledon 2024 Doubles.

The Baller Alert Show

Featuring @FerrariSimmons @Youknowbt @iHandlebars 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Blerler, Blerler. I go by the name of Ferrari Simmons.
I go by the name you know, beat Taylor Town
said of the building, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey the
snap what's up?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
What's up y'all?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Wimbledon twenty twenty four doubles winner, Yeah, who.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Got the little people made me some chains and bracelets.
It don't look like yours, but it's okay.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Yeah, you have the fans making you bracelets and stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Educated me though when you win. When you win Wimbledon,
what do you get? Is it a so do you
get a chat? You get paid? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Definitely that I made sure. That was my first stop,
said ma'am. We're my receipt, like it's good to see
you again. It's like, hey, no, I want to talk. No,
but they give you a trophy trophy. But the trophy
that we get in the ceremony is not actually what
you get to take home. So they gave you like

(00:55):
kind of a smaller replica of it. And then I
didn't realize, but they actually give us like a detached base,
so it's like a wooden base that they have your
name on it and everything, and like the Wimbledon emblem.
And then on the like then you put the little
cup on top of it. So I was like, it
would be fun to like take shots out of this.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
How long have you been playing with your partner?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
That was our third tournament together. Okay, yeah, so we
started in Rome and that was in May, and then
I got injured so I couldn't play the French Open.
And it's funny because I ended up putting her and
Coco Golf together and then they won the tournament. Co yeah,
one time for Cocoa Golf. She's amazing. So I was
just like, hey, I'll take five percent from you. Five

(01:36):
percent from you really for my you know, my fee
putting you all together, because that was Coco's first grade.
I was dead serious. Coco was like, I'll take you
to dinner. I was like no, She's like five percent
is a lot. I was like, yeah, but you just
got your first slam. So then we're in the locker room.
She tells me, how about this, how about you win
here in Wimbledon And then we're even and I was like,
all right, I guess, but you still take me out

(01:57):
to dinner in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Wait, so y'all y'all just whitched.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, because I got so I was supposed to be
playing with my partner, but I ended up rolling my
ankle in the tournament right before the French Open first
point of the match.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
This is three years ago, No this year. Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I went and did rehab. I did like three
or four sessions a day for five days, and I
was like, I'm not ready to play, Like I can't play.
So I ended up having to fly to Paris to
pull out of Rolling Girls, which is like the first
time I've ever pulled out of a major event, like
major tournament. And then knowing that my partner was not
going to have anyone to play with. I text Coco
was like, hey, you did you want to play doubles?

(02:34):
And she was like yeah, I put them together. Then
they win the tournament. So it's kind of funny because, like,
you know, it was unexpected, but you know, to be
able to come back and then you know, win a
Grand Slam. I was like, all right, I guess that was.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Worth because that's very difficult. Now you correct me. For all,
you went pro at sixteen fifteen? Yeah, get me right? Yeah,
how do you go pro as a young tennis player?
When did you want to start playing tennis?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Well, I started four four years.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Old, you started wanting to play tennis?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Sure, yes, so yeah, I So my sister actually was playing,
and like I'm the kind of person where I'm like,
if I'm old, she's two years so my older sisters
two years now. I have a half sister that's eighteen
years younger than me. My dad wanted to do something crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
But we're not gonna talk about it, understood.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah. So but my older sister who I grew up with,
like she was playing before me, and like, I'm the
kind of person where I'm like, if you're gonna do it,
and I'm gonna do it, and if I can't do it,
you're not gonna do it. So that was my thought process.
So like she would be getting lessons and I'd be
in the back of the court like picking up balls
and like throwing them at her feet. So she'd try
and trip, like hitting her with balls and like throwing
them at her while she was like having her lesson.

(03:44):
And then my coach always like kick me off the
court because he's like get out of here, like what
are you doing? And I'm like I want to play,
Like if she's doing it, I want to do it.
So I was always around the game. My mom played,
and she's the one that introduced us us to tennis.
My dad played football, baseball, basketball, so like athlete. But yeah,
my mom put the tennis track in our hands, and
then from that point it was just like, all right,

(04:05):
I guess this is what we're doing. To be fair though,
Like I didn't get to try.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Other sports, So you only played tennis.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, Like I never got to play, Like my dad
won state championships in Chicago women's coaching with his women's
basketball team. Like we never got exposed to like other sports.
So that's what kind of sucks about that because I
was like, I really I felt like i'd have been
five by I you know, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Say, listen, if you found your talent at a very
young age, I mean that seems like that's what happens
to a lot of people, even with basketball, like a
lot of people that played basket.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, you got a career record of two twenty five
and eighty six six career titles. Highest ranking was number
five last year. You're currently number seven. This is in
the world. Yeah, wow, in the world, in the world,
So how did you know, Like, at what point of time.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Did you know, like you were good enough to go
professionally at fifteen?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, it's crazy, Like I'm gonna be honest with y'all,
Like I grew up watching Being Cincrina, Like obviously they
were a huge inspiration, and then obviously having a sister
that's two years older and we're growing up playing together
like that was like the it thing, right, But I
promise you, Like I didn't think that it was possible
for me to play pro. So it was like I

(05:14):
always get it's very interesting to me when I hear
like other people in the same realm as me, or
if I listened to like some of the top singles
players and stuff, were like, no, I knew that this
is what I wanted to do. Like for me, I
was like I didn't think that this was possible. I
was like, it's a dream, but I was like, is
it something that I really knew and felt like in
my heart like I could do no, you know. So

(05:39):
but for me, I just kept working and I was
just like, well, this is the only thing that I
was exposed to and that I was around all the time.
So I was like, you know, it's what I put
my heart and soul and you know everything in It's
what I grew up in. This was my entire childhood.
My mom literally works at the tennis center. We're there
all day.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
So how difficult is it to play tennis? Because correct me?
It sets? Yes, man, these sets are there three sets?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
It can be so women play two out of three.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Two out of three, yeah, so two.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Out of three full sets. And then they've changed some
of the rules. But I mean the matches can go
for three hours, two and a half hours, like usually
the average is about an hour and a half. But
to answer your question too, it's the rules for tennis
with going pro are a little bit different because as
soon as you accept money. For when I went pro,

(06:27):
so if you accepted money or if you signed to
like an agency or something like that, then you revoke
your basically collegiate insula status. So for me, I hadn't
I don't think i'd played a pro tournament yet, but
I had signed within with an agency, a management, you
know whatever, to be able to help do things, get contracts,

(06:49):
so forth and so on. So once you accept money,
and then whenever you accept prize money, then you're technically pro.
They've changed it now because there are a lot more
kids and people who are going to school and the
you know, the NAIA and all that different type of stuff.
So they have now caps on like how much you
can accept, So now you can accept money up to
a certain amount without revoking that you know, eligibility question. Dope. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Is the prize money at a young age lucrative? Like
it's tennis?

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Mu?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
No? Hell no no, And That's what I'm like, like, no, no,
I'll tell.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
You how you want a tournament? How much did you get?

Speaker 2 (07:31):
It depends on the level, so like you can go
all the way from like the lower level events where
I can tell you the least amount I made at
a pro tournament. I made sixty six dollars and they
took out a forty dollars entry fee, so I walked
away with twenty six dollars in my pocket. I drove
to the tournament and I was like, I had a

(07:52):
little hon the CRV, so I was like, this will
fill up my tank to give me back home. Literally
that was my prize money. And I was pissed because
I was like, why are you giving me this in
a check? Just give me cash. I'm sorry, I can't
do that. Pissed. I was so mad. I was just like,
how old are you?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
At this point, I was like.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
How old was I? I was like eighteen, oh, so
I have been I had been playing eighteen nineteen. No,
how old am I'm twenty eight? No, I was in
my twenties.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, twenty fifteens. Yeah yeah, I may have been twenty
twenty one. We'll be right back with more of the
Buller Alert show.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
So the majority of the money that tennis players make
us from sponsors and deals when you sign with these.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That come, that's the like residual money. Like the structure
of how things are with us is like it's so
bad if i'mna be honest with y'all, because what we make,
like you have to put back into you for travel,
you pay your coach, so whoever's on your team, that's
what you have to pay. So for me, for example,

(09:04):
like right now I'm traveling with my coach, my physio,
So I pay my coaches fee plus you know whatever
prize pay my physio, his hotel, physio hotel, my hotel,
his coach, flight, physio flight, my flight, my food, physio food,
coach food. Like, so it's so many expenses so it's

(09:28):
like people don't realize and that's why it's like for
the women, we also make seven times less than the
men throughout the year. So that's why like there's such
a big emphasis on, Hey, the Grand Slams because those
tournaments are where we make the most money, Like, those
are the biggest those are the biggest paydays. So those
are the biggest pay days in terms of check and

(09:48):
then how many points you can get, so those have
the most ability to like elevate your ranking the fastest
if you do well at the Grand Slams. So that's
where we have equal prize money. But also, the men
are playing three out of five sets and we're still
playing two out of three. So I'm like, hey, if
they're gonna play through this is my opinion. If they're
gonna play three out of five sets, I feel like

(10:09):
they deserve to get paid more. They're playing a lot
more tennis. But how about we close the gap during
the rest of the year where everyone's playing two out
of three sets, We're playing the same amount of tennis,
we're traveling the same amount, we're doing all this different stuff.
We're doing all the same things. So let's like close
that gap because it's like significantly different between the men
and the women. But the expenses are like the expenses

(10:31):
are outrageous.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
So they don't take care of the travel when you
guys are traveling to these different countries.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
No, no, So you.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Got the budget. Everything has to be budgeted.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, Like when I looked at my last year spending,
I was upwards of like over one point fifty k
on just flights alone. Who just travel airfare?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Now, I got a question for you. How do you
balance training, rest and tennis, because I know sometimes you
have to get rest, Like do you have to shut
down at like eight pm? I'm not doing nothing, I'm
going to bed.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Man. I wish I could do that. I have a child,
I got a baby.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I wish How do you Okay, let's add that in,
add that in, So how do you honestly are you
in a relationship with your child's.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
With my child's dad. No? No, no, And that ended
this time well March of last year. So that was
hard too, because like that was I was like, it
was so much to navigate.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Is he supportive of No? Yeah, he's great tennis.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, yeah, he's amazing, Like he's an amazing dad. Like
supportive of like he's great, like we're friends, like.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
We're literally like this is good.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, but it's just like it.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Just didn't work out, yeah, which.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm okay with, Like, but I told him. I was like, yo,
like this isn't gonna affect our child, like because I
grew up in a split household, So I was like
that was the And that's why it was so hard
for me to like pick myself because I was like,
I don't want to do this, and like I don't
want to raise my son in that type of environment
because I know what it felt like on my end,
like on the receiving side and even with my sister

(12:10):
and saw how it affect her. So I was like
I don't want to do that. But I was like, yo,
like you have if you're not good, like it doesn't
matter like what you try and do or salvage or
whatever like that, it's not going to be good for
the baby. So yeah, I just had to choose myself
and like it was a really difficult decision, and like
I'm a very selfless person, so that was really hard.

(12:30):
But like, honestly, I don't want to say because it
sounds kind of fucked up. With like the best decision
I've made.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
But like sometimes the hardest decision be the best decision
that you made.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Yeah, Like because I really I really have grown so much,
like as a woman, Like throughout this whole experience, I've
really learned a lot about myself. But like in terms
of balancing everything, yo, like it's a new day every day,
Like it's it's it's honestly so hard. And then what
I've realized my biggest struggle is is like when I leave,
because I don't travel with my son all the time.

(13:02):
So when I leave and I'm on the road and
I'm alone, Like, I'm fine because I can create my
own routine and structure and it's all revolving around me
and like my schedule. But I really struggle a lot,
and I'm getting better, but I struggle a lot when
I come back home because then it's like you go
from everything being about you to then everything being about

(13:23):
everything else. Plus the things that you have to do
practice workouts, recovery, this that grocery shopping, jiu jitsu, practice dogs,
like house you know, so it's like so many different
things that like I have to juggle when I come back,
and it's just like it goes from nothing to everything.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm so happy for sharing this with you. And I
got a question because this is funny because over the weekend,
I watch the WNBA All Star Game, first time I've
ever watched that one time for women in sports, because
I feel like you guys are having your renaissance. Yes,
you guys finally deserve, but for tennis, and correct me

(14:02):
if I'm wrong. It's not like it's a league. It's
a sport that you have to pick and choose where
you go, how you rank. So it's not like it's
an all You get like an all star team tennis player,
and you guys get to like talk and be amongst
each other, kind of like how basketball and football have,
like you know, the all star things. You guys don't
have that. You guys just have tennis and it's year long.

(14:25):
So how do you pick and choose? How do you
how do you do this? It's not a league, Like,
it's not is there a what's the person that's over
the whole league called commissioner? The commissioner? Is there commissioner?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
There is like the CEO of the WTA, which it's
like the organ like the governing body but that's it.
So it's like tennis is an individual sport, so it's
just you. So it's you and your team. So that's
why it's like so important that you have and like
I see my team more than I see my child.
Like we travel forty plus weeks out of the year,

(14:59):
like the.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Last event, and it's fifty two weeks in the year.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Our last event is November thirteenth to the twentieth.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
So sometimes it may be through Thanksgiving or right before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
And we leave because we start in Australia, Like that's
where we start the season, so that's far.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
So you leave.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now factor in like whenever you're gonna take time off
because we've been playing all year, we leave the last
week of December, so our off season is six weeks.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Is that why Serena took that break because she.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Was she they like and it was they've changed the
rules now, but like she used to only play the
big tournaments and play the tournaments that she had to
play to maintain her ranking. And when she played, she
was like, I'm gonna win it and that's that. So
she would play eleven tournaments, ten tournaments, whatever was required.
That's what she played. And that was it.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
But you can't do that because you need to maintain
your ranking in a different way, correct.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, And I mean obviously if I'm going in and
winning everything, of course you can. You can do things
a little bit differently. You can be more strategic with
like what you want to play. But then the tours
are also making it a lot more difficult for the
top players because they're we aren't a league and everything
is based on the individuals, and they're putting a lot
of weight on the individuals to drive the tour. So

(16:20):
the viewership of the tour, revenue, all that different TV contracts,
all these different things. So they're putting the business side
on the performance of the of these players. So now
they're requiring us to, hey, you have to play, like
these tournaments are mandatory. So it's like right now, I
think it's like eighteen to twenty tournaments that are like mandatory,

(16:44):
like you have to play if you're in a certain
ranking bracket. So they're making it a lot more difficult.
So like players now can't do what Arena is doing,
where I pop in here, pop in there, play the
four slams, play three or four other five other tournaments
beforehand or you know whatever, and that's that. So tennis
is like kind of a it's a different type of
sport in terms of how you get your ranking because

(17:05):
you know, every tournament has a certain point value per round.
But then also it doesn't like start over at the
following year, like you have to do the same or
better the following year in order to maintain your points
or keep progressing forward. But if you don't, then you're
ranking drops. So it's a constant like yo yo effect

(17:27):
that you have on like on your ranking, like a lot. Yeah,
it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
It seems like tennis is like a privately owned company. Yeah,
it doesn't same like an actual you know sports, Like
it's not just one person because you know basketball, football,
they have the commissioner and committee to make decisions.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
And owners and yeah you have a league, So how
do you retire?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
You'd be like, I'm out straight up that didn't.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Make as much money as possible within it.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah, and also so like obviously monetizing like you said
on endorsements and all of the you know, like on
and capitalizing on like your motion that you have, like
and that's why it's important to have a great team
because you want to make sure that when you have
motion and you're popping, like everything that you can get
you get. You know, everything that you deserve you get,

(18:18):
you know, right, But it's just so much that's just
lacking within the sport. I mean to be honest, this
is like a country club, rich people, lily white sports.
So it's like it's that's what.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
That's how I look at it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
But it's like so you know, we've had people to
introduce like the culture and everything, like we have Venius,
we have to reading like at the beginning we had
out THEA Gifts and you know, we've had other people,
but it's like, you know, it hasn't it's really not
what's wanted, if that makes sense, you know, Like I
think the culture wanted, like the people want it, like
we love this, you know, but it's like is that

(18:55):
what we really want within the sport? And I don't know.
And also like it's all always been the stigma where
we it can only be one like a token one
of us, right, you know. And it's like they accepted
Vena Senserrenia because they came together, they came on together,
they leaving the kicking ass like but together, so it

(19:17):
was like it was undeniable. But it's like there was
always kind of this thought process where it's like it
can only be one, like we can only support women
only gonna big up one, you know what I'm saying.
And so it's like hopefully, you know, through supporting each
other and showing like constant support like that, it doesn't
have to be that way. But like growing up, I know,
I felt like I was always competing against other black people,

(19:38):
like they played me harder, you know what I'm saying,
or like it's it's.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
More competitive to be like I gotta take this person's
slot because it can only be one of us.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, you know, to get these.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
The companies only want this one, like you know, we're
gonna pour if it's one, and if it's one that
we like, we're gonna pour everything into it and the
rest don't get anything. Like it's always kind of been
like that unspoken thing. We will be right back, stay
tuned with more of the Ball or Alert show.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So what would you what advice would you give to
a young girl that wants to become a professional tennis player.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I would say, like the best advice that I would
give is to make sure that you have like a
great support system and people around you that can protect
you to where you're not having to take all of
the blows and the blunts on you. Like that's one
of the things. And I've talked to Coco about this,
but she told me. She was like, hey, like I

(20:33):
just want to say thank you. I'm like, what are
you thanking me for? She was like, because of the
things that you went through with the USTA and everything
like that, like my parents, we stayed as far away
from that shit as possible. And I was just like, wow,
I never really thought about that, but that's amazing because
look at where you are, so like the fucked up
stuff that I went through, Like, I know I can
handle I'm strong. Not everyone can handle that stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
But I'm like, because Coco is younger than you, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
And so she just turned twenty I think, not too
long ago, but she was like, the things that I
went through allowed her to be able to navigate her
pathth so that she didn't have to go through those roadblocks.
And I'm like, Okay, well, if that's the case, then
it's worth it. Like look at where you are, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like not everyone can
handle those different type of things. But it's like she
also has like so you navigated through experiences that other

(21:19):
people had, and also she has like her parents in
the forefront to be able to be like, I stop
that shit, don't come over here with all that, and
literally her dad does that constant. I've seen it with
her own two eyes. So it's like, you're not going.
That's what Richard Williams did with being Cincrina. He's like, uh,
don't come up here, she says, she going in what
you ask her more questions for? You know what I'm saying, like, no,
stop that exactly. And it's like this is such a

(21:43):
lonely world and a lonely sport, Like it's you out there.
Like I said, like you see I see my team
more than I see my family and like my son.
So it's like to have people where you are on
the road so often and you're traveling and it's very
mentally and emotionally exhausting physically as well because we're here
there like bouncing all over the world. So I would

(22:04):
just say to make sure that you have like a
good group, a good circle of a support system, because
that's the most important on those times where it's more
often not where you're feeling down, like it's more often
not where you're exhausted, you're tired and be like, why
the fuck am I doing this shit? Honestly, So it's
like when you have that, when you have your support
system to be able to keep you up and to

(22:26):
keep going, keep pushing you, like you know what I mean, Like,
I feel like that's the most important to be able
to continue to move along that process.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Wow, Taylor Townsend in the building currently number seven in
the world, in the world, we appreciate you pulling up
on us. Yeah, and you gotta come as much as often. Well, yeah,
can you be talking that shit? I like that? Yeah,
you really be popping your shit. I ain't you always
welcome to come back to I.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Would love to. Y'all are fun. We can talk about celebrations,
we can talk about you know, whatever we want. You
don't gotta be all tennis next time.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, yes, all right, and now we got a pep talk.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
What's up you guys. This is Taylor Townsend and I
got a little message for you. Don't let nobody steal
your shine. Don't let anybody tell you who you are,
what you can or cannot do. I just want Wimbledon.
People told me all the time that I wasn't going
to be nothing, that I wasn't gonna amount to nothing.
I wasn't going to be a great tennis player because
of what I looked like, because of the color of

(23:24):
my skin, or just because of where I came from.
People told me that because I was number one, it
wasn't good enough. I always had to prove myself and
the accomplishments that I made weren't enough. So it was
always something that I had to prove. But never let
anyone take away the accomplishments that you make. Make sure
that you acknowledge yourself. Make sure you acknowledge the things

(23:44):
that you are doing great, because you are doing great.
So that's what I tell myself. That's what I'm telling
myself now. Can't nobody tell me shit, So that's what
I gotta say.

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