1. Government Fraud Crackdown (Trump/Vance Initiative)
- The administration is prioritizing eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse in federal programs.
- A federal fraud task force claims:
- 186,000+ deceased individuals are still receiving SNAP (food stamp) benefits via identity fraud.
- 400,000+ people are allegedly receiving duplicate benefits (“double dipping”).
- Its a taxpayer protection effort with stronger enforcement expected.
2. Policy Actions and Consequences
- Threats to withhold Medicaid funding from states that fail to investigate fraud.
- Proposal for stronger penalties (e.g., jail, loss of benefits), though current deterrence is described as weak.
- Politically positioned as a major accountability push tied to reducing government spending.
3. Hospice and Healthcare Fraud Allegations
- Major focus on California (Los Angeles):
- Claim: a disproportionate number of hospices located there (about one-third nationwide).
- Allegation: up to half may be fraudulent.
- Actions taken:
- 800 hospices suspended, cutting off ~$1.4 billion in payments.
- Nationwide moratorium on new hospice and home health care licenses.
- Rationale:
- Fraud operations allegedly relocate to other states when cracked down locally.
4. Political Divide
- Republican perspective:
- Fraud crackdown is necessary and widely supported by voters.
- Seen as long-overdue accountability.
- Democratic criticism:
- Concerns about overreach, rushed investigations, and harm to legitimate services.
- Public sentiment (per the document):
- Broad agreement that fraud should be eliminated regardless of party.
5. CIA Whistleblower Allegations (COVID Origins)
- A whistleblower claims:
- CIA scientists initially favored a lab-leak theory for COVID-19.
- The official position shifted to “inconclusive/neutral.”
- Accusation:
- Anthony Fauci influenced intelligence discussions and expert selection.
- His involvement may have shaped the narrative away from the lab-leak conclusion.
- Evidence cited:
- Meetings and communications in 2020–2021.
- Internal disagreements within intelligence agencies.
6. Conflict of Interest Concerns
- Raised in questioning:
- Fauci allegedly had connections to Wuhan-related research funding.
- Concern he may not have been an objective contributor.
- Whistleblower suggests:
- Influence was indirect but significant, through shaping expert input.
7. Hearing Controversy
-
- No Democrats attended the Senate hearing with the whistleblower.
- Avoidance of scrutiny or accountability.
- No Democrats attended the Senate hearing with the whistleblower.
- Used to reinforce a broader narrative of political bias or cover-up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Eight hundred hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer
one point four billion dollars will no longer be paid.
Mister Vice President, if your core business was shut down
by the federal government, would you call You would call crickets.
We have less than twenty who have complained. We're not
even sure there's are legitimate eight hundred hospices shut down,
(00:23):
and we're not hearing much the seconds crickets out there.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good Thursday morning. Nice to have you with us from
the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got two big
stories for you. First up, JD. Vance making government fraud
of front and center issue and the numbers being uncovered
are staggering. Vance not only is saying that the Fraud
Task Force has found hundreds of thousands of dead people
getting Foodstap benefits and now also shocking numbers of massive
(00:53):
Medicaid fraud going to home health care and hospice providers. Also,
there was a major hearing from a CIA whistleblower on
Capitol Hill and not a single Democrat was there for
the testimony. What are they running away from and what
did the whistleblower have to say? We have it all
(01:13):
for you. I want to take a quick moment and
talk to you about an incredible organization and it is
called Compassion International and how you can get involved. Love, generosity,
and compassion. We say those words all the time and
they sound good, they feel good. But here's the truth.
Those words don't mean anything unless they turn into action,
(01:35):
and right now, not later, today, not tomorrow. There's a
child in the world who doesn't know if they'll eat,
if they'll have a chance to learn, or if there's
any hope at all. And while we're all busy, life
keeps moving forward, but that child is waiting. This is
where you come in. With Compassion International. You have the
(01:57):
chance to change a child's future, not just with words,
not with promises, but with real help that provides food,
education and hope through local churches and people already in
their community. Put your words into action and join me
introduce a child to a loving heavenly father today at
(02:19):
Compassion dot com. That's Compassion dot Com. It's the forty
seven Morning Update and it starts right now.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Story number one.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
When Donald Trump got elected, he made it very clear
that waste fraud of use were going to be something
he was going to focus on. Then he brought an
Elon Musk and Doge. Well, they're not done. In fact,
apparently they're just getting started. Now. Jeddie Vance is now
leading the Trump Administration's anti fraud crackdown, and we've got
major new developments, including the fact that Vance now says
(02:53):
the administration's Fraud Task Force has found already one hundred
and eighty six one thousand plus dead people allegedly still
receiving Snap food stamp benefits. Now, to be clear, we
can't crawl back this money. These funds are being stolen,
and they're being used by people that are clearly not
(03:16):
dead but alive, and they're using dead people's identity to
get the funds. Now, that obviously should make you angry.
And they're expecting to find more than the basically two
hundred thousand dead people who are getting money every single
month from you, the taxpayer. Now, the task force also
says that more than four hundred thousand people were actually
(03:40):
defying the government receiving duple kits Snap benefits at the
same time, meaning that they had two applications that were
approved double dipping, getting twice as much as they should
normally get. Now, if you are double dipping, shouldn't you
go to jail? Shouldn't you lose SNAP benefits indefinitely? Shouldn't
(04:00):
there be a major consequence for stealing from the US government? Well,
right now, apparently there's not much of a deterrent at all.
Now the White House is trying to change that, framing
this is a massive taxpayer accountability effort. They're also arguing
that Americans are tired of seeing waste, fraud, and abuse
(04:20):
in all of our federal programs. Now, the Vice President
has now called the finding of fraud in the federal
government like fishing in a barrel with dynamite. The administration
is now escalating beyond rhetoric. They are now threatening as
well to withhold Medicaid funding from states that failed to
aggressively investigate fraud. The biggest move came and involved California,
(04:46):
where the Trump administration has now deferred roughly one point
three billion in Medicaid reimbursements amid massive allegations of widespread
fraud in hospice and home health care program Just how
bad is it? Doctor Oz explaining it from Washington as
they announced the new program initiative.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Unfortunately, we have a reality there again. We got to
face a third of all hospices, a third of all
these programs in the entire country are in Los Angeles.
Ask yourself, how is that possible? It's not. They're not
that many people dying in Los Angeles. We're not talking
about California, just Los Angeles. So Kim and the team
on what Genina will go and a bunch of other
(05:28):
great folks went through the list of all the people
and we believe that at least half of the hospices
in the entire area around Los Angeles are fraudulent. And
today we announced eight hundred of those hospices have been suspended.
That's getting us close to where we think we should be.
Eight hundred hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer
one point four billion dollars will no longer be paid.
(05:52):
Mister Vice President, if your core business was shut down
by the federal government, would you call You would call crickets.
We have less than twenty who have complained. We're not
even sure there's are legitimate eight hundred hospices shut down,
and we're not hearing much. It's it's crickets out there,
so we believed we're on the right path. Here next
is a ninetion wide moratorium on all new hospice and
(06:13):
home health care. Why is that possible because when we
squeeze the balloon in California and slow their growth of
hospice and now take away eight hundred the payments, eight
hundred hospices, we know what those frosters do. They move
to nearby Nevada. Next door Nevada has a sevenfold increase
in hospice already, Arizona, Texas. They're moving across the country.
So we've today announcing a moratorium nationally. There will be
(06:36):
no new hospices our home healthcare open in this country.
If you have the program now, you can keep it.
You can go to ones that already exist. We're not
taking away any services, but there will be no new
ones licenses granted until we can figure out a better
way of working cross government.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
One of the most interesting things you just heard there
from doctor Oz the fact that he said we're shutting
it down nationwide because we know that when they get
busted in LA, when they get busted in California, the
people that are coming to the fraud, they just go
to another state and they open up there. Now, Republicans,
by the way, are arguing, this is exactly what voters
voted for, what they wanted. Someone finally going through federal
(07:13):
programs line by line, asking where taxpayer money is actually going,
and we're finding out just how much fraud there is. Democrats, however,
are losing their minds right now, warning the administration is overreaching,
going to make mistakes and rushing investigations and then people
(07:33):
are going to get hurt. Now, the question is where
are the American people on this issue. Well, politically, this
is clearly a winning issue for Republicans because in new polling,
overwhelmingly the majority of Americans agree that fraud should be
rooted out, regardless of the party who's in charge. Now.
(07:55):
Vance is also trying to find more fraud directly time
and also to border security and government spending, arguing Americans
shouldn't be asked to pay more taxes while billions may
be lost through abuse and corruption, Dead people shouldn't be
getting food stamps, and the American people agree with that statement.
Taxpayers are finally asking where the money actually went, and
(08:18):
there should be people to go to jail. This is
clearly a war on fraud, waste, and abuse from the
Trump administration. And the reality is Washington ignored this for years.
Why because many of the people that were getting the
money were giving kickbacks to the political campaigns of those
that look the other way, and that would be the
Democratic Party. Thank goodness, Jadie Vance's betting Americans care more
(08:43):
about protecting taxpayer dollars than protecting bureaucracies, and politically, that
might be an extremely smart move ahead of the midterms.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now, story number two.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
CIA whistle blower went before Capitol Hill yesterday reveal that
despite a majority of CIA scientists concluding overwhelmingly that COVID
leaked from a lab in Wuhan, Anthony Fauci was able
to convince high ranking Intel officials to change their assessment
(09:18):
from a lab leak to a neutral idea. Why because
they need to cover up the narrative that the Wuhan
instead of virology, which was tied directly to Anthony Fauci,
was actually involved. What's even more shocking than that is
the CIA whosle blower also said that the CIA is
(09:39):
still blocking full declassification of COVID documents. Why is it
to protect Fauci or is it to protect China. I
want you to hear the back and forth from Senator
Rand Paul and the CIA whistleblower explaining exactly just how
bad it really is.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But what I think is is of importance that's new
today is that your testimony is that the CIA scientists
were concluding that it was lab. But then with this,
there was a ninety day study in twenty twenty one,
and this study was done by NIC, led by NIC
tell Us. What NIC is again, it's the National Intelligence
(10:19):
Council and individuals responsible for writing various WMD and bio
related issues to it. So when they had this study,
they had CIA scientists telling them, look the evidence, the
scientific evidence looks like it came from the lab. But
then they brought in Anthony Fauci. And is it your
opinion that Anthony Fauci was able to overrule the scientist
(10:43):
or get NIC to conclude somehow that there wasn't a
conclusion to be out here, We're going to be neutral,
contradicting what the scientists were telling them.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
So there's two questions there, and I want to break
them up into two. One is where were the injection points?
Doctor Anthony Fauch. Where did Anthony Fauci and when did
he inject himself into the IC and the other half
of that question, if i'm, if I'm and I don't
want to extrapolate too much. Here is okay what happened
with with why was there a change in analysis? So
(11:14):
I'll start with the if it's okay, doctor Paul, sure, Senator,
I'll start with doctor Anthony Fauci. There were two instances,
on three February twenty twenty and four June twenty twenty one,
Anthony Fauci had contact with the Inner Agency, And how
to sort of broadly generalize this is that that contact
(11:37):
was happily pursued within the IC. They wanted that contact,
and he provided a curated list of subject matter experts,
which coincidentally wrote The Proximal Origin of SARS Cove two.
So it's it's not like he came in and said
you have to do X, Y and Z provided recommendations.
It's when you look at when you look at what
(12:00):
has already been publicly released about doctor Fauci and then
what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC, where
you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being
generated by his contact not just with experts here in
the United States, but experts in Australia and the UK.
And that's the public facing piece. And you know, he
tries to he had tried to sort of keep his
(12:23):
hands clear of I didn't have anything to do with
the proximal origin of Saraskov too. But in the meantime
he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in
his orbit into the IC as experts. And I'll jump
to June twenty twenty one. We as the IC at
the neck happily pursued those recommendations, and in one email,
(12:49):
which I'll describe to you, the person in charge of
leading the ninety day study, you know, he introduced himself
to the community that on they on what they were
supposed to be doing, and then the community said, he said, listen,
we've got these people we should be talking to. And
(13:10):
another very senior NICK officer sent in direct email to
him saying, Hey, considering that doctor Fauci is a public
health expert, are you sure we should be relying on this?
Shouldn't we shouldn't we have a separate set And in
this instance, the individual responded, No, in this case, doctor
Anthony Fauci is a subject matter expert. However, that's directly
(13:34):
contradicting his public testimony of being a subject matter.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Part of the job in intelligence when you interview someone
is assessing their truthfulness, their potential biases or conflicts of interest.
Did anyone ever bring up that Anthony Fauci approved the
research that went on to Wuhan and that it might
not be in his interest for the conclusion to be
that it came from a lab that he had funded,
that there might be a conflict that was Did any
(13:58):
everybody ever bring up that he might might not be
an objective witness?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
That was one example of an email. No one laid
it out quite that clearly, you're piecing it together. We
were piecing it together from multiple emails, from multiple agencies,
multiple documents. It was more subtle than that. Nobody said
this is happening, and unfortunately, I think they probably should have.
It was all out there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But your conclusion is that changing from the scientific consensus
of it being from a lab to a neutral position
by the CIA was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
It was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci's injecting himself into
the IC. And to go to the second part of
your question about what happened particularly during the ninety day study,
we have documentation that shows that as of August twelfth,
the CIA was considering calling this a lab leak August
(14:54):
twelfth of twenty twenty one, and then that changed on
August seventeenth of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Run now, what's even more shocking about the hearing and
what you just heard. There is not a single Democrat
heard any of what you just heard. Why because apparently
not a single Democrat showed up to the Senate hearing
today where the CIA whistle blower was testifying about the
COVID cover up. Could it be maybe because they were
(15:24):
all involved in it too. Listen now, Fox News explain
no Democrats in attendance.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
In this picture because just a few minutes ago, just
shy of the top of the hour, you could see
over the left shoulder of Senator Ron Johnson the empty
seats of Democrats and we can show, I mean, look
at that room, and even James Erdman, who is the
whistleblower witness today was asked about and I believe it
(15:51):
was Senator Yes Bernie Moreno, who asked him this, how
does that make you feel knowing that those Democrats aren't there?
And he says that, of course I wish that they were.
I mean, you want everyone to know what he has
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It really is amazing to know that you have a
CIA whistleblower coming forward on the issue of COVID. It
involves Anthony Fauci, Democrats, God, and none of the Democrats
will show up to hear what the wistleblower has to say.
There should be massive accountability for that, and also a
(16:25):
lot more questions that should be asked of Democratic lawmakers
of why you didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Thank you for listening to the forty seven Morning Update
with Ben Ferguson. Please make sure you hit subscribe wherever
you're listening to this podcast right now and for more
in depth news, also subscribe to the Ben Ferguson podcast
and we will see you back here tomorrow
Eight hundred hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer
one point four billion dollars will no longer be paid.
Mister Vice President, if your core business was shut down
by the federal government, would you call You would call crickets.
We have less than twenty who have complained. We're not
even sure there's are legitimate eight hundred hospices shut down,
(00:23):
and we're not hearing much the seconds crickets out there.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You're listening to the forty seven Morning Update with Ben ferguson.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Good Thursday morning. Nice to have you with us from
the forty seven Morning Update, and we've got two big
stories for you. First up, JD. Vance making government fraud
of front and center issue and the numbers being uncovered
are staggering. Vance not only is saying that the Fraud
Task Force has found hundreds of thousands of dead people
getting Foodstap benefits and now also shocking numbers of massive
(00:53):
Medicaid fraud going to home health care and hospice providers. Also,
there was a major hearing from a CIA whistleblower on
Capitol Hill and not a single Democrat was there for
the testimony. What are they running away from and what
did the whistleblower have to say? We have it all
(01:13):
for you. I want to take a quick moment and
talk to you about an incredible organization and it is
called Compassion International and how you can get involved. Love, generosity,
and compassion. We say those words all the time and
they sound good, they feel good. But here's the truth.
Those words don't mean anything unless they turn into action,
(01:35):
and right now, not later, today, not tomorrow. There's a
child in the world who doesn't know if they'll eat,
if they'll have a chance to learn, or if there's
any hope at all. And while we're all busy, life
keeps moving forward, but that child is waiting. This is
where you come in. With Compassion International. You have the
(01:57):
chance to change a child's future, not just with words,
not with promises, but with real help that provides food,
education and hope through local churches and people already in
their community. Put your words into action and join me
introduce a child to a loving heavenly father today at
(02:19):
Compassion dot com. That's Compassion dot Com. It's the forty
seven Morning Update and it starts right now.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Story number one.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
When Donald Trump got elected, he made it very clear
that waste fraud of use were going to be something
he was going to focus on. Then he brought an
Elon Musk and Doge. Well, they're not done. In fact,
apparently they're just getting started. Now. Jeddie Vance is now
leading the Trump Administration's anti fraud crackdown, and we've got
major new developments, including the fact that Vance now says
(02:53):
the administration's Fraud Task Force has found already one hundred
and eighty six one thousand plus dead people allegedly still
receiving Snap food stamp benefits. Now, to be clear, we
can't crawl back this money. These funds are being stolen,
and they're being used by people that are clearly not
(03:16):
dead but alive, and they're using dead people's identity to
get the funds. Now, that obviously should make you angry.
And they're expecting to find more than the basically two
hundred thousand dead people who are getting money every single
month from you, the taxpayer. Now, the task force also
says that more than four hundred thousand people were actually
(03:40):
defying the government receiving duple kits Snap benefits at the
same time, meaning that they had two applications that were
approved double dipping, getting twice as much as they should
normally get. Now, if you are double dipping, shouldn't you
go to jail? Shouldn't you lose SNAP benefits indefinitely? Shouldn't
(04:00):
there be a major consequence for stealing from the US government? Well,
right now, apparently there's not much of a deterrent at all.
Now the White House is trying to change that, framing
this is a massive taxpayer accountability effort. They're also arguing
that Americans are tired of seeing waste, fraud, and abuse
(04:20):
in all of our federal programs. Now, the Vice President
has now called the finding of fraud in the federal
government like fishing in a barrel with dynamite. The administration
is now escalating beyond rhetoric. They are now threatening as
well to withhold Medicaid funding from states that failed to
aggressively investigate fraud. The biggest move came and involved California,
(04:46):
where the Trump administration has now deferred roughly one point
three billion in Medicaid reimbursements amid massive allegations of widespread
fraud in hospice and home health care program Just how
bad is it? Doctor Oz explaining it from Washington as
they announced the new program initiative.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Unfortunately, we have a reality there again. We got to
face a third of all hospices, a third of all
these programs in the entire country are in Los Angeles.
Ask yourself, how is that possible? It's not. They're not
that many people dying in Los Angeles. We're not talking
about California, just Los Angeles. So Kim and the team
on what Genina will go and a bunch of other
(05:28):
great folks went through the list of all the people
and we believe that at least half of the hospices
in the entire area around Los Angeles are fraudulent. And
today we announced eight hundred of those hospices have been suspended.
That's getting us close to where we think we should be.
Eight hundred hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer
one point four billion dollars will no longer be paid.
(05:52):
Mister Vice President, if your core business was shut down
by the federal government, would you call You would call crickets.
We have less than twenty who have complained. We're not
even sure there's are legitimate eight hundred hospices shut down,
and we're not hearing much. It's it's crickets out there,
so we believed we're on the right path. Here next
is a ninetion wide moratorium on all new hospice and
(06:13):
home health care. Why is that possible because when we
squeeze the balloon in California and slow their growth of
hospice and now take away eight hundred the payments, eight
hundred hospices, we know what those frosters do. They move
to nearby Nevada. Next door Nevada has a sevenfold increase
in hospice already, Arizona, Texas. They're moving across the country.
So we've today announcing a moratorium nationally. There will be
(06:36):
no new hospices our home healthcare open in this country.
If you have the program now, you can keep it.
You can go to ones that already exist. We're not
taking away any services, but there will be no new
ones licenses granted until we can figure out a better
way of working cross government.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
One of the most interesting things you just heard there
from doctor Oz the fact that he said we're shutting
it down nationwide because we know that when they get
busted in LA, when they get busted in California, the
people that are coming to the fraud, they just go
to another state and they open up there. Now, Republicans,
by the way, are arguing, this is exactly what voters
voted for, what they wanted. Someone finally going through federal
(07:13):
programs line by line, asking where taxpayer money is actually going,
and we're finding out just how much fraud there is. Democrats, however,
are losing their minds right now, warning the administration is overreaching,
going to make mistakes and rushing investigations and then people
(07:33):
are going to get hurt. Now, the question is where
are the American people on this issue. Well, politically, this
is clearly a winning issue for Republicans because in new polling,
overwhelmingly the majority of Americans agree that fraud should be
rooted out, regardless of the party who's in charge. Now.
(07:55):
Vance is also trying to find more fraud directly time
and also to border security and government spending, arguing Americans
shouldn't be asked to pay more taxes while billions may
be lost through abuse and corruption, Dead people shouldn't be
getting food stamps, and the American people agree with that statement.
Taxpayers are finally asking where the money actually went, and
(08:18):
there should be people to go to jail. This is
clearly a war on fraud, waste, and abuse from the
Trump administration. And the reality is Washington ignored this for years.
Why because many of the people that were getting the
money were giving kickbacks to the political campaigns of those
that look the other way, and that would be the
Democratic Party. Thank goodness, Jadie Vance's betting Americans care more
(08:43):
about protecting taxpayer dollars than protecting bureaucracies, and politically, that
might be an extremely smart move ahead of the midterms.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Now, story number two.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
CIA whistle blower went before Capitol Hill yesterday reveal that
despite a majority of CIA scientists concluding overwhelmingly that COVID
leaked from a lab in Wuhan, Anthony Fauci was able
to convince high ranking Intel officials to change their assessment
(09:18):
from a lab leak to a neutral idea. Why because
they need to cover up the narrative that the Wuhan
instead of virology, which was tied directly to Anthony Fauci,
was actually involved. What's even more shocking than that is
the CIA whosle blower also said that the CIA is
(09:39):
still blocking full declassification of COVID documents. Why is it
to protect Fauci or is it to protect China. I
want you to hear the back and forth from Senator
Rand Paul and the CIA whistleblower explaining exactly just how
bad it really is.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But what I think is is of importance that's new
today is that your testimony is that the CIA scientists
were concluding that it was lab. But then with this,
there was a ninety day study in twenty twenty one,
and this study was done by NIC, led by NIC
tell Us. What NIC is again, it's the National Intelligence
(10:19):
Council and individuals responsible for writing various WMD and bio
related issues to it. So when they had this study,
they had CIA scientists telling them, look the evidence, the
scientific evidence looks like it came from the lab. But
then they brought in Anthony Fauci. And is it your
opinion that Anthony Fauci was able to overrule the scientist
(10:43):
or get NIC to conclude somehow that there wasn't a
conclusion to be out here, We're going to be neutral,
contradicting what the scientists were telling them.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
So there's two questions there, and I want to break
them up into two. One is where were the injection points?
Doctor Anthony Fauch. Where did Anthony Fauci and when did
he inject himself into the IC and the other half
of that question, if i'm, if I'm and I don't
want to extrapolate too much. Here is okay what happened
with with why was there a change in analysis? So
(11:14):
I'll start with the if it's okay, doctor Paul, sure, Senator,
I'll start with doctor Anthony Fauci. There were two instances,
on three February twenty twenty and four June twenty twenty one,
Anthony Fauci had contact with the Inner Agency, And how
to sort of broadly generalize this is that that contact
(11:37):
was happily pursued within the IC. They wanted that contact,
and he provided a curated list of subject matter experts,
which coincidentally wrote The Proximal Origin of SARS Cove two.
So it's it's not like he came in and said
you have to do X, Y and Z provided recommendations.
It's when you look at when you look at what
(12:00):
has already been publicly released about doctor Fauci and then
what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC, where
you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being
generated by his contact not just with experts here in
the United States, but experts in Australia and the UK.
And that's the public facing piece. And you know, he
tries to he had tried to sort of keep his
(12:23):
hands clear of I didn't have anything to do with
the proximal origin of Saraskov too. But in the meantime
he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in
his orbit into the IC as experts. And I'll jump
to June twenty twenty one. We as the IC at
the neck happily pursued those recommendations, and in one email,
(12:49):
which I'll describe to you, the person in charge of
leading the ninety day study, you know, he introduced himself
to the community that on they on what they were
supposed to be doing, and then the community said, he said, listen,
we've got these people we should be talking to. And
(13:10):
another very senior NICK officer sent in direct email to
him saying, Hey, considering that doctor Fauci is a public
health expert, are you sure we should be relying on this?
Shouldn't we shouldn't we have a separate set And in
this instance, the individual responded, No, in this case, doctor
Anthony Fauci is a subject matter expert. However, that's directly
(13:34):
contradicting his public testimony of being a subject matter.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Part of the job in intelligence when you interview someone
is assessing their truthfulness, their potential biases or conflicts of interest.
Did anyone ever bring up that Anthony Fauci approved the
research that went on to Wuhan and that it might
not be in his interest for the conclusion to be
that it came from a lab that he had funded,
that there might be a conflict that was Did any
(13:58):
everybody ever bring up that he might might not be
an objective witness?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
That was one example of an email. No one laid
it out quite that clearly, you're piecing it together. We
were piecing it together from multiple emails, from multiple agencies,
multiple documents. It was more subtle than that. Nobody said
this is happening, and unfortunately, I think they probably should have.
It was all out there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
But your conclusion is that changing from the scientific consensus
of it being from a lab to a neutral position
by the CIA was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
It was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci's injecting himself into
the IC. And to go to the second part of
your question about what happened particularly during the ninety day study,
we have documentation that shows that as of August twelfth,
the CIA was considering calling this a lab leak August
(14:54):
twelfth of twenty twenty one, and then that changed on
August seventeenth of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Run now, what's even more shocking about the hearing and
what you just heard. There is not a single Democrat
heard any of what you just heard. Why because apparently
not a single Democrat showed up to the Senate hearing
today where the CIA whistle blower was testifying about the
COVID cover up. Could it be maybe because they were
(15:24):
all involved in it too. Listen now, Fox News explain
no Democrats in attendance.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
In this picture because just a few minutes ago, just
shy of the top of the hour, you could see
over the left shoulder of Senator Ron Johnson the empty
seats of Democrats and we can show, I mean, look
at that room, and even James Erdman, who is the
whistleblower witness today was asked about and I believe it
(15:51):
was Senator Yes Bernie Moreno, who asked him this, how
does that make you feel knowing that those Democrats aren't there?
And he says that, of course I wish that they were.
I mean, you want everyone to know what he has
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It really is amazing to know that you have a
CIA whistleblower coming forward on the issue of COVID. It
involves Anthony Fauci, Democrats, God, and none of the Democrats
will show up to hear what the wistleblower has to say.
There should be massive accountability for that, and also a
(16:25):
lot more questions that should be asked of Democratic lawmakers
of why you didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
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