May 11, 2026 • 33 mins
1. AOC
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- Misunderstanding or misrepresenting American history
- Promoting socialist/communist ideology
- Opposing wealth creation and free-market capitalism
2. The American Revolution
- AOC’s claim:
- The Revolution was against wealth concentration and powerful elites
- Counterargument in the text:
- The Revolution was about freedom from government power (King George), not wealth inequality
- Wealthy individuals (e.g., Robert Morris, George Washington) actually funded the Revolution
3. Wealth and Billionaires
- AOC’s position (as described):
- Billion-dollar wealth is “unearned”
- Counterargument:
- Wealth can be earned through innovation and value creation
- Examples used:
- John D. Rockefeller (oil industry)
- Henry Ford (assembly line, middle class growth)
- Elon Musk (technology, space, EVs)
4. Critique of Socialism/Communism
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- Communism historically leads to:
- Economic failure
- Human rights abuses
- Authoritarian control
- Communism historically leads to:
- Examples cited:
- Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea
- Key idea:
- Centralized government power = loss of freedom and prosperity
5. Race, Democracy, and U.S. History
- AOC’s statements:
- Black Americans “created democracy”
- Counterargument:
- U.S. democracy originated from:
- Declaration of Independence
- Constitution
- The U.S. has improved over time (e.g., civil rights movement)
- Slavery is described as a “moral wrong”
- U.S. democracy originated from:
6. Immigration and Government Power
- AOC warns:
- Immigration enforcement systems could expand and threaten broader populations
- Counterargument:
- Immigration enforcement is framed as law and order
- The concern about government abuse is dismissed as fearmongering
- Argument reversal:
- Leftist governments historically used detention systems more aggressively
7. Use of Historical Comparisons
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- Historical examples to support arguments
- Comparisons to:
- Nazi Germany
- Soviet gulags
- Japanese internment camps (under FDR)
- To argue that authoritarianism is tied to left-wing systems
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome in as Verdicus Center. Ted Cruz ben Ferguson with you.
For all the mothers out there that maybe listening, we
hope you had a great Mother's Day weekends, having Mother's
Day to all of the moms out there as well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And Senator, we've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Today, including the fact that AOC she wants to get
rid of all the wealthy people in this country make
it I legal for you to make a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, let me first of all say happy Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2 (01:13):
We've got one big story to talk about today.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
It deals with socialism, communism, Marxism, and AOC. She now
wants to ban wealthy people in this country and says
you didn't really earn it.
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and I have been talking about for a really long time.
In this show, there is a war on success in
this country and it is being led by the Democratic Party.
They don't want you to own your own stuff. They
don't want you own your own business. They don't want
you to succeed. They don't want you to keep more
(03:36):
of your own money. They believe that you are a
worker bee for their socialist, communist Marxist ideals.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And AOC went all the way.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
To the University of Chicago instud of Politics to now
make her case yet.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Again, Well, communism is a dangerous ideology. It is one
based on deception, and it's one based on ignorance. And
I'm very hard pressed to find anyone who combines deception
and ig ignorance in more of a complete package than AOC.
She was at she was with David Axelrod at the
Institute of Politics in Chicago, and one of the things
(04:10):
she started off by saying is her understanding of the
American Revolution, and give a listen to what apparently, according
to AOC, the American Revolution was all about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The American Revolution was against the billionaires of their time,
and we were declaring independence from such an extreme marriage
of wealth and power in the state.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean, I clearly need a rEFInd in high school
and college center, because that's not what I was told
at all.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
By the way, I didn't know there was a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Of millionaires back in the revolution days, but apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There were yet. Look, if you wrote that answer on
your ninth grade history exam, you would get an F
because it is not only a little bit wrong, It
is not only kind of slightly wrong. It is is
entirely one hate, one hundred and eighty degrees opposite. What
was the American Revolution fought against. It was fought against
(05:08):
arbitrary government power. It was fought against King George. It
was fought against government tyrants that tax you without representation.
It was fought against the aocs of the world. The
irony is literally, she is an advocate of more and
more government power. She wants to be able to tax
the hell out of you, she wants to be able
(05:29):
to regulate the hell out of you, and she wants
to ensure that you have no voice, you don't get
to say anything. She is in charge. That's what it
was fought against. But here's why her retelling is so
both ignorant and dangerous, which is, do you know who
funded the American Revolution? Who is that that that would
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be effectively the billionaires of that time. There's a guy
named Robert Morris. Robert Morris was the wealthiest man in America.
Who's the Philadelphia financier. And he put virtually all of
his wealth into the American Revolution. He ended up he
died nearly bankrupt, but wow, he funded He funded the
American Revolution. You have other people, You have other people
(06:14):
like George Washington. George Washington was one of the richest
men alive. If you look at George Washington's wealth by
the time he died, if you adjusted it for inflation,
he had the equivalent in today's dollars of about six
hundred million dollars. That's how wealthy George Washington was. Thomas
Jefferson likewise, was incredibly wealthy, a landhnder in Virginia. It
(06:36):
was we didn't have billionaires at the time. No one
had accumulated a billion dollars. But the richest people in
America are the people who funded and supported the revolution
against government power. And listen, like a little Marxist that
she is, she takes that story and turns it on
its head and says the revolution was against the American
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Free enter Prize that actually funded the revolution, and what
they were fighting for was giving government more power. She
is the King George in this story and those sorts
of lies. That is right at the heart. Look, there's
a reason the reason communists go and try to undermine
the American Revolution. It's the same reason, by the way
(07:20):
that say anti Semites go and try to undermine what
happened in World War two and in particular cast doubt
on the Holocaust, because you go to foundational premises and
you turn them into bizarro land, you turn them upside down,
and you end up with, unfortunately, some really confused young
(07:42):
people who haven't learned history. And then she also had
this to say, let's just talk about billionaires in general. Look,
part of the communist argument is nobody deserves to create
any wealth. Government should be in charge of your wealth
because you don't do anything to get creasy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Think it should be wealthy, so you should be a minion.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So give a listen to what she says about today
creating wealth and whether it's possible for anyone to generate
a billion dollars. In production and society, there's.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
A certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Right, you can't earn a billion dollars, that's right. You
just can't earn that. That's exactly correct.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
You can, you can get market power, you can break rules,
you can do all sorts of things, you can abuse
labor laws, you can pay people less than what they're worth.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
But you can't earn that, right, and so you have
to create a myth that since you didn't earn that,
you have to create a myth of earning it, a.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Myth cenator of earning it. That's a whole new way
of putting it. And by the way, I know some
people that are billionaires. They earned it. They didn't break
a rule, they didn't do any of the things she
tried to describe. They actually created an amazing product, or
did something unbelievable, or created something out of thin air.
And many times that turns into something that's massive, and
(09:19):
she's like, no, no, that's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, there's a village somewhere that's missing its idiot. What
she is saying there is bizarrely foolish and profoundly ideological,
and of course, the left wing interviewer there is Oh, yes,
that's right, that's exactly right. Oh, oh ye, yes, yes,
you're right. Now, to be clear, I have to acknowledge,
(09:42):
you know, AOC has not earned a billion dollars. She
was a bartender. Nothing wrong with me a bartender. Bartender
is an honorable job to have. But she's right, if
you're slinging drinks, you can't earnt a billion dollars slinging drinks.
That's true. I mode lawns as a teenager mining lawns.
I couldn't make a billion dollars mowing lawns. There are
(10:02):
a lot of jobs where you can't earn a billion dollars. Now,
what does AOC do today? She's a member of Congress.
She's right, you can't earn a billion dollars as a
member of Congress unless you're like Nancy Pelosi, unless you're
engaging in, say, insider trading. Set that aside. But let's
actually look in history, all right, who have the billionaires been.
Let's look at the first billionaire in American history. That
(10:25):
was John D. Rockefeller. What did John D. Rockefeller do?
He discovered oil and he developed low cost distribution for energy,
all across the country, produced enormous value, transforming this nation,
transforming the lives of millions of people. One of the
other early billionaires, Henry Ford, invented the model T. You
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invented and perfected the assembly line of production. What did
that do? It literally brought about the American middle class.
We went from a society where you had horses and carriages,
and even horses and carriages were limited to people who
were wealthy, to within a generation having automobiles being widespread
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and being at a point where middle class families could
afford an automobile. Now, in AOC's telling, Henry Ford did
not generate a billion dollars worth of worth. I've got
to say bringing up the creating effectively the American middle class,
both the workers that worked for Henry Ford and worked
in the auto industry that could go in and have
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honorable jobs and make make money, and go and buy
a home and raise their kids and have a house
with a backyard and a swing in the tree and
have a car parked in the driveway. I mean that
for most of history, for millennia, you lived with lords
and serfs, You lived with monarchs and peasants, people that
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were scraping out subsistence living, trying to farm enough food
on the ground, not to feed lots of other people,
just to feed themselves in their own kids, and barely surviving.
You had life expectancies. At the time that the that
our country began life expectancies, people were dying in their thirties.
You look at the benefit of a Henry Ford or
(12:09):
let's take elon Musk. So according to AOC you cannot
earn a billion dollars. Well, how about inventing the Tesla,
inventing and putting in place the manufacturing capability of Tesla
to be the world's dominant seller of electric vehicles, to
(12:29):
sell millions of electric vehicles. By the way, also developing
the self driving technology that now millions of people are
putting their cars on auto drive, transforming how we are
living within relatively short order. As we see more and
more people moving to autonomous vehicles and self driving. One
of the benefits of that. Every year there are about
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forty thousand people who are killed in car accidents. In
Within the next decade, we're going to see that number
drop to nearly zero. Is saving forty thous.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Just because the autonomous.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Corps, yes, is saving dollars forty thousand lives a year.
Is that producing of a billion dollars of value? How
about SpaceX SpaceX launching, you know, going to South Texas,
going to Boca Chica, where six seven years ago that
that was an empty strip of sand on the beach
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down in South Texas. I've been there. Elon built an
entire city there, built an entire factory there that's manufacturing
a rocket ship a month. Over ninety percent of the
satellites around the world are SpaceX or Starlink satellites. By
the way, Starlink producing connectivity all over the globe. You
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can be in the middle of the Amazon, you could
be on a deserted mountain somewhere in the middle of
nowhere and nonetheless had connectivity because Elon has put satellites
all around the globe. And you want to talk about changing, changing,
going to space where it used to be for the
entire space race. You launch a rocket and when you're
(14:05):
done launching the rocket, you throw the rocket away. It
crashes into the ocean, it burns away the atmosphere. It's
never used again. Everyone knew that's the only way you
can do it. Elon said, well, why why not reuse it?
And he developed the technology that he launches a rocket,
has it come down in giant arms, giant chopsticks, grab
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the spaceship and set it back down on the landing plate.
That is crazy science fiction technology. And yet for that
sweet little communist, nothing Elon has done has earned the money.
He has made the beauty of the American free enterprise system.
You can earn today billions of dollars, and many people
have done so. But the way you do it is
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by inventing a product, people work, inventing a service people sure,
and improving their lives. Look, people's lives were better because
Henry Ford created the model T and created a system
manufacture it. And communists like AOC would say, We're going
to crush those inventors. We're going to crush those entrepreneurs.
(15:10):
We're going to move you to the kind of poverty
that comes when the communist government is in charge, whether
that is in Russia, whether that is in China, whether
that is in Cuba, whether that is in North Korea.
And AOC, I'm sure she doesn't know the facts, but
every place or system of government has been implemented communism,
the result is crushing poverty, starvation, suffering, misery, and it's
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also in terms of human rights murder, torture, imprisonment and
in China at least concentration camps. That's literally what the
left is arguing for, and they don't know enough and
they are not honest enough to admit it.
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's alose things else she said, and she's decided it
was a good time to play the race card and
talk about race and wealth. I want to play for
you what she said and then and get your reaction.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
There are very few like real archetypes of in my opinion,
truly what America is all about. I think about the
civil rights and voting rights movement and how Black Americans
really created democracy in this country. That's exactly right, How
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they literally made something from nothing. It is just beyond me.
I think about how like Native people have survived and
preserved and.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Treasured their culture.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I think about, and I think many of us think
about immigrants, which if you aren't from one of those
first two populations, you are certainly from largely the third.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
And so many of us like have our story of.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Our parents, our grandparents are great great grandparents and so
on and so forth, and who like come and make
something from nothing. And I think that's a big part
of also the most inspiring elements of what America is
all about.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's her definition what inspiring America is all about. God
help us.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, look, I will say that the actually third point
she made. I agreed with her when she talked about
the immigrant story that so many millions of Americans have.
But it's interesting what she described. She said, so many people,
whether us, our parents or grandparents, who came to America
and made something from nothing. That's actually right, And she
screwed up and actually told the American Free enterprise story
(19:02):
like accidentally. I'm sure she didn't actually listen to the
words she was saying. But look, when my dad came
from Cuba in nineteen fifty seven with one hundred dollars
in his underwear, he came to America because, as AOC
accurately put it there, you could make something from nothing.
Freedom was possible, you could live. Your success didn't depend
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on who your parents were, who your grandparents are. If
you had talent and hard work and a vision, you
could succeed. It's why millions of people come to this country.
But you look at the first half of what she said,
it was like she was in a faculty lounge and
just sort of signaling out all of the oppressed people
because it's intersectionality, it's there's a whole spectrum. I was
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really waiting for her to talk about like a lesbian
Hamas terrorist in a wheelchair, like how could you find
every element of oppression? So she says, she says, well,
Indigenous people, well that that there. She just sort of
the motes in their directions. She doesn't actually say.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It, it's just checked, it's checked the box.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
She's just like, oh, you know, we're on stolen land.
Mind you. She's not proposing giving Manhattan back. She just
is like stolen land, stolen land, America, illegitimate. But look
the comment she makes at the beginning, which which is
truly it's just ludicrous. She says, black Americans created democracy.
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An American now listen. I think much of the journey
of America has been a journey towards equality, a journey
towards justice. And I agree with her. The civil rights
movement in America was pivotal, But the idea that democracy
was created in America by black Americans is just wildly ahistorical.
Where did democracy come from? Well, number one, we don't
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have a pure democracy, a pure democracy an Athenian democracy
would be say all the people get together and vote
on the ultimate policy. So you get together and say
what should the law be. Should the top tax rate
be ten thirty percent or ninety percent? Everyone votes and
whatever wins. That's what it is. That's a pure democracy.
We don't have that. We have a republic. We have
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representative democracy. But her claim that black Americans created democracy
in America, know that there were actually two processes that
created democracy in America. Number one, what we are celebrating
in July of this year the Declaration of Independence. That
that was the birthday of our nation. And it was
Thomas Jefferson who penned the immortal words, We hold these
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truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal,
and that they are endowed by their creator with certain
unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness. That declaration, by the way, declaring our
independence not from billionaires but from oppressive government from King George.
That was the beginning of our nation. And then some
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twenty years later the United States Constitution, which created our democracy.
I mean, and if you want to look at the
moment that our democracy was created, It was the delegates
in Constitution Hall in Philadelphia who drafted the constitution, who
set up our system of government, and then the states
that had to ratify it, and once it was ratified,
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it went into effect. That is what is created our
democracy now. If she were speaking precisely, what she could
have said is when our democracy was created, it was
imperfect and we had to travel a journey to move
towards greater equality. That statement is unequivocally right. It is
true accurate. When our nation was created, African Americans in
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half the country were slaves. They had no right to vote,
women had no right to vote. On the question of slavery,
I've said many times slavery is the original sin of America.
It was a grotesque evil. I will point out though,
that how did we abolish slavery? Look, we abolish slavery.
Number one, The person who did it was Abraham Lincoln,
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the very first Republican president. Our party was created in
order to defeat slavery. That was the purpose. That's the
origin of the Republican Party. The Democrat Party, by the way,
virtually its entire tenure defended say it slavery, and fought
ferociously in favor of slavery. But the way the abolitionists
in the Republican Party successfully abolished slavery was not by
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attacking our founding principles, not by attacking the Constitution, not
by attacking the Declaration, but rather by appealing to those
principles by saying we are not living up. When Jefferson
wrote the words all men are created equal, that statement
is on its face, completely incompatible with slavery. Jefferson knew
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that he was brilliant, and he was putting into place.
I believe I agree with doctor Martin Luther King who
said the arc of history is long, but it bends
towards justice, but AOC and this is true with the
squad and with all of the communists on the left.
They're so ignorant that everything I just said there they
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don't know. They're told that the American Revolution was a
communist revolution against the billionaires, that the answer is more
government power, and they repeat things like black Americans gave
us democracy, which is just simply not accurate. The civil
rights movement was one of the greatest democratic movements in
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our nation's history. By the way, she points to the
Civil Rights Act. Look Civil Rights Act far more Republicans.
A much greater percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for
the Civil Rights Act than Democrats. Her party opposed the
Civil Rights Act, the majority of them. And so yes,
we're on a journey. But the left, they're ignorance. It
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is a close battle, which predominates ideology or ignorance, But
they're both intertwined, and they're both fundamentally wrong.
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done there. She also had another pretty interesting line. She
made it very clear that she wanted to say something
about illegal immigrants and saying through fear mongering that once
they're all deported, they're going to come after other groups
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Speaker 5 (26:58):
All of a sudden, we now have have a paramilitary force.
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We don't have a court system.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
They don't need they don't think they need judicial warrants,
so you don't get due process.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
So you start creating this black box system.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But you can start point a finger, whether it's like
again like we saw in Jim Crow, whether you just
point a finger and one hundred years ago accuse a
little black boy or something, you can point a finger
and accuse someone of that today. If you think when
once you build that machine, that it's only going to
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It's not just ICE, it's Corcivic, it's Geogroup. These those
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they are traded on Wall Street. And what happens is
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not accept anything but growth. It's not even good enough
to be profitable.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
It's not even good enough to be profitable.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
You have to be more profitable and more profitable and
more profitable. It's not enough to be a profitable business.
You have to keep growing those profits. And so once
they've rounded up every person in this country, who do
you think is next?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah? O, look, that is that both the classic ignorance
and misinformation of the left. So they understand AOC supports
a open border, so she wants to abolish the police.
She wants to abolish eyes. She opposes all law enforcement
that actually secures our border against foreign invaders, against illegal immigrants,
against violent murderers, rapists, child molesters, and gang bangers. And
(28:53):
her position has consistently been let all of them out
of jail. But at the same time she wants to
tell her very ill informed supporters, if there are detention
centers that are used for illegal immigrants, that are used
for violent criminals, those will be used by government against you.
And part of what is really astonishing is if you
(29:17):
look throughout history, in almost every instance where there been
mass detention centers, it's been the left that has put
them in place. You look at whether it is the
Soviet gulags where communists imprisoned millions. You look at Joseph Stalin,
you know, you read Soulsnicha and the Gulag Archipelago and
(29:40):
talks about the incredible miseries of communism imprisoning millions in prisons.
You look at my father's home country of Cuba and
the prisons that are there right now. You look at
North Korea, Cuba's communists, Soviet Union was communists. North Korea's communists.
You have gulags there. You look at China, China today
(30:01):
has over a million wigers who are religious minorities, who
are in concentration camps. It's the largest instance of human
slavery on the face of the planet. That is communist China.
And by the way, you look at World War Two
the Nazis. So leftists like to paint the Nazis as right,
but let's be clear, Nazis were national socialists. That was
(30:23):
their policy. That's what Nazi stands for is national socialists.
The economic policy of the left is what the Nazis
believed in government control. And I do want to be clear,
it's not just historical leftists who have imposed concentration cans.
Let me be very clear. I think slavery is wrong.
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Concentration camps are wrong. Detention camps. By the way, in
the United States, which president created detention camps and detained
American citizens.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I'm gonna go where it was a democrat is I
just want to be clear about this.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It is a democrat. It was FDR who said up
in tournament camps for Japanese Americans who were American citizens,
and in turn thousands of them forcibly detained them during
World War Two. That was a Democrat. By the way
she talks about Jim Crow, she probably doesn't know this,
but do you know who wrote the Jim Crow laws?
That would be Democrats? Is that? Do you know who
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funded who funded and founded the KKK? That would be Democrats?
And I want to read to give you something recent
in twenty twenty, there was an Iowa based field organizer
for Bernie Sanders' campaign who was caught on tape discussing
(31:38):
the need for quote re education camps for people who
did not support Bernie Sanders, particularly for Trump supporters. So
AOC it is her side that has advocated we're going
to put the people we disagree with in camps. In
some level, that's not shocking because the left has always
(32:01):
been willing. If you support government power, you are willing
to use that government power to lock up everyone who
disagrees with you. And there's something fundamentally different between locking
up a violent criminal locking up someone who has violated
the law that is protecting the community, that's protecting our citizens,
that is upholding the rule of law. There's something fundamentally
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different between that and rounding up and locking up lawful citizens.
And in history, virtually the only people to have done
so have been leftists, have been communists like AOC. And
yet look, I do think she studied Sololensky's rules for radicals.
She starts and throughout accuses her opponents of doing that
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which she would do. And look, these interviews truth matters.
And let me say this as a final point, this
is a big part of the reason we do these
podcasts is to actually engage and give you the substance.
Because if someone is a young person and they're listening
to AOC and they're like, oh, oh, yeah, the American
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Revolution fought to overcome the billionaires. We got to stop
those billionaires. This podcast is here to give you the
facts and information to push back on that dishonest and
ignorant indoctrination.
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Welcome in as Verdicus Center. Ted Cruz ben Ferguson with you.
For all the mothers out there that maybe listening, we
hope you had a great Mother's Day weekends, having Mother's
Day to all of the moms out there as well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And Senator, we've got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Today, including the fact that AOC she wants to get
rid of all the wealthy people in this country make
it I legal for you to make a billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's pretty impressive.
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so let's start with AOC, and this is something you
and I have been talking about for a really long time.
In this show, there is a war on success in
this country and it is being led by the Democratic Party.
They don't want you to own your own stuff. They
don't want you own your own business. They don't want
you to succeed. They don't want you to keep more
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of your own money. They believe that you are a
worker bee for their socialist, communist Marxist ideals.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And AOC went all the way.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
To the University of Chicago instud of Politics to now
make her case yet.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Again, Well, communism is a dangerous ideology. It is one
based on deception, and it's one based on ignorance. And
I'm very hard pressed to find anyone who combines deception
and ig ignorance in more of a complete package than AOC.
She was at she was with David Axelrod at the
Institute of Politics in Chicago, and one of the things
(04:10):
she started off by saying is her understanding of the
American Revolution, and give a listen to what apparently, according
to AOC, the American Revolution was all about.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
The American Revolution was against the billionaires of their time,
and we were declaring independence from such an extreme marriage
of wealth and power in the state.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I mean, I clearly need a rEFInd in high school
and college center, because that's not what I was told
at all.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
By the way, I didn't know there was a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Of millionaires back in the revolution days, but apparently.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
There were yet. Look, if you wrote that answer on
your ninth grade history exam, you would get an F
because it is not only a little bit wrong, It
is not only kind of slightly wrong. It is is
entirely one hate, one hundred and eighty degrees opposite. What
was the American Revolution fought against. It was fought against
(05:08):
arbitrary government power. It was fought against King George. It
was fought against government tyrants that tax you without representation.
It was fought against the aocs of the world. The
irony is literally, she is an advocate of more and
more government power. She wants to be able to tax
the hell out of you, she wants to be able
(05:29):
to regulate the hell out of you, and she wants
to ensure that you have no voice, you don't get
to say anything. She is in charge. That's what it
was fought against. But here's why her retelling is so
both ignorant and dangerous, which is, do you know who
funded the American Revolution? Who is that that that would
(05:51):
be effectively the billionaires of that time. There's a guy
named Robert Morris. Robert Morris was the wealthiest man in America.
Who's the Philadelphia financier. And he put virtually all of
his wealth into the American Revolution. He ended up he
died nearly bankrupt, but wow, he funded He funded the
American Revolution. You have other people, You have other people
(06:14):
like George Washington. George Washington was one of the richest
men alive. If you look at George Washington's wealth by
the time he died, if you adjusted it for inflation,
he had the equivalent in today's dollars of about six
hundred million dollars. That's how wealthy George Washington was. Thomas
Jefferson likewise, was incredibly wealthy, a landhnder in Virginia. It
(06:36):
was we didn't have billionaires at the time. No one
had accumulated a billion dollars. But the richest people in
America are the people who funded and supported the revolution
against government power. And listen, like a little Marxist that
she is, she takes that story and turns it on
its head and says the revolution was against the American
(06:59):
Free enter Prize that actually funded the revolution, and what
they were fighting for was giving government more power. She
is the King George in this story and those sorts
of lies. That is right at the heart. Look, there's
a reason the reason communists go and try to undermine
the American Revolution. It's the same reason, by the way
(07:20):
that say anti Semites go and try to undermine what
happened in World War two and in particular cast doubt
on the Holocaust, because you go to foundational premises and
you turn them into bizarro land, you turn them upside down,
and you end up with, unfortunately, some really confused young
(07:42):
people who haven't learned history. And then she also had
this to say, let's just talk about billionaires in general. Look,
part of the communist argument is nobody deserves to create
any wealth. Government should be in charge of your wealth
because you don't do anything to get creasy.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Think it should be wealthy, so you should be a minion.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
So give a listen to what she says about today
creating wealth and whether it's possible for anyone to generate
a billion dollars. In production and society, there's.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
A certain level of wealth and accumulation that is unearned.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Right, you can't earn a billion dollars, that's right. You
just can't earn that. That's exactly correct.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
You can, you can get market power, you can break rules,
you can do all sorts of things, you can abuse
labor laws, you can pay people less than what they're worth.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
But you can't earn that, right, and so you have
to create a myth that since you didn't earn that,
you have to create a myth of earning it, a.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Myth cenator of earning it. That's a whole new way
of putting it. And by the way, I know some
people that are billionaires. They earned it. They didn't break
a rule, they didn't do any of the things she
tried to describe. They actually created an amazing product, or
did something unbelievable, or created something out of thin air.
And many times that turns into something that's massive, and
(09:19):
she's like, no, no, that's impossible.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, there's a village somewhere that's missing its idiot. What
she is saying there is bizarrely foolish and profoundly ideological,
and of course, the left wing interviewer there is Oh, yes,
that's right, that's exactly right. Oh, oh ye, yes, yes,
you're right. Now, to be clear, I have to acknowledge,
(09:42):
you know, AOC has not earned a billion dollars. She
was a bartender. Nothing wrong with me a bartender. Bartender
is an honorable job to have. But she's right, if
you're slinging drinks, you can't earnt a billion dollars slinging drinks.
That's true. I mode lawns as a teenager mining lawns.
I couldn't make a billion dollars mowing lawns. There are
(10:02):
a lot of jobs where you can't earn a billion dollars. Now,
what does AOC do today? She's a member of Congress.
She's right, you can't earn a billion dollars as a
member of Congress unless you're like Nancy Pelosi, unless you're
engaging in, say, insider trading. Set that aside. But let's
actually look in history, all right, who have the billionaires been.
Let's look at the first billionaire in American history. That
(10:25):
was John D. Rockefeller. What did John D. Rockefeller do?
He discovered oil and he developed low cost distribution for energy,
all across the country, produced enormous value, transforming this nation,
transforming the lives of millions of people. One of the
other early billionaires, Henry Ford, invented the model T. You
(10:45):
invented and perfected the assembly line of production. What did
that do? It literally brought about the American middle class.
We went from a society where you had horses and carriages,
and even horses and carriages were limited to people who
were wealthy, to within a generation having automobiles being widespread
(11:06):
and being at a point where middle class families could
afford an automobile. Now, in AOC's telling, Henry Ford did
not generate a billion dollars worth of worth. I've got
to say bringing up the creating effectively the American middle class,
both the workers that worked for Henry Ford and worked
in the auto industry that could go in and have
(11:26):
honorable jobs and make make money, and go and buy
a home and raise their kids and have a house
with a backyard and a swing in the tree and
have a car parked in the driveway. I mean that
for most of history, for millennia, you lived with lords
and serfs, You lived with monarchs and peasants, people that
(11:46):
were scraping out subsistence living, trying to farm enough food
on the ground, not to feed lots of other people,
just to feed themselves in their own kids, and barely surviving.
You had life expectancies. At the time that the that
our country began life expectancies, people were dying in their thirties.
You look at the benefit of a Henry Ford or
(12:09):
let's take elon Musk. So according to AOC you cannot
earn a billion dollars. Well, how about inventing the Tesla,
inventing and putting in place the manufacturing capability of Tesla
to be the world's dominant seller of electric vehicles, to
(12:29):
sell millions of electric vehicles. By the way, also developing
the self driving technology that now millions of people are
putting their cars on auto drive, transforming how we are
living within relatively short order. As we see more and
more people moving to autonomous vehicles and self driving. One
of the benefits of that. Every year there are about
(12:50):
forty thousand people who are killed in car accidents. In
Within the next decade, we're going to see that number
drop to nearly zero. Is saving forty thous.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Just because the autonomous.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Corps, yes, is saving dollars forty thousand lives a year.
Is that producing of a billion dollars of value? How
about SpaceX SpaceX launching, you know, going to South Texas,
going to Boca Chica, where six seven years ago that
that was an empty strip of sand on the beach
(13:22):
down in South Texas. I've been there. Elon built an
entire city there, built an entire factory there that's manufacturing
a rocket ship a month. Over ninety percent of the
satellites around the world are SpaceX or Starlink satellites. By
the way, Starlink producing connectivity all over the globe. You
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can be in the middle of the Amazon, you could
be on a deserted mountain somewhere in the middle of
nowhere and nonetheless had connectivity because Elon has put satellites
all around the globe. And you want to talk about changing, changing,
going to space where it used to be for the
entire space race. You launch a rocket and when you're
(14:05):
done launching the rocket, you throw the rocket away. It
crashes into the ocean, it burns away the atmosphere. It's
never used again. Everyone knew that's the only way you
can do it. Elon said, well, why why not reuse it?
And he developed the technology that he launches a rocket,
has it come down in giant arms, giant chopsticks, grab
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the spaceship and set it back down on the landing plate.
That is crazy science fiction technology. And yet for that
sweet little communist, nothing Elon has done has earned the money.
He has made the beauty of the American free enterprise system.
You can earn today billions of dollars, and many people
have done so. But the way you do it is
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by inventing a product, people work, inventing a service people sure,
and improving their lives. Look, people's lives were better because
Henry Ford created the model T and created a system
manufacture it. And communists like AOC would say, We're going
to crush those inventors. We're going to crush those entrepreneurs.
(15:10):
We're going to move you to the kind of poverty
that comes when the communist government is in charge, whether
that is in Russia, whether that is in China, whether
that is in Cuba, whether that is in North Korea.
And AOC, I'm sure she doesn't know the facts, but
every place or system of government has been implemented communism,
the result is crushing poverty, starvation, suffering, misery, and it's
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also in terms of human rights murder, torture, imprisonment and
in China at least concentration camps. That's literally what the
left is arguing for, and they don't know enough and
they are not honest enough to admit it.
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Speaker 1 (17:02):
There's alose things else she said, and she's decided it
was a good time to play the race card and
talk about race and wealth. I want to play for
you what she said and then and get your reaction.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
There are very few like real archetypes of in my opinion,
truly what America is all about. I think about the
civil rights and voting rights movement and how Black Americans
really created democracy in this country. That's exactly right, How
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they literally made something from nothing. It is just beyond me.
I think about how like Native people have survived and
preserved and.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Treasured their culture.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
I think about, and I think many of us think
about immigrants, which if you aren't from one of those
first two populations, you are certainly from largely the third.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
And so many of us like have our story of.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Our parents, our grandparents are great great grandparents and so
on and so forth, and who like come and make
something from nothing. And I think that's a big part
of also the most inspiring elements of what America is
all about.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's her definition what inspiring America is all about. God
help us.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, look, I will say that the actually third point
she made. I agreed with her when she talked about
the immigrant story that so many millions of Americans have.
But it's interesting what she described. She said, so many people,
whether us, our parents or grandparents, who came to America
and made something from nothing. That's actually right, And she
screwed up and actually told the American Free enterprise story
(19:02):
like accidentally. I'm sure she didn't actually listen to the
words she was saying. But look, when my dad came
from Cuba in nineteen fifty seven with one hundred dollars
in his underwear, he came to America because, as AOC
accurately put it there, you could make something from nothing.
Freedom was possible, you could live. Your success didn't depend
(19:23):
on who your parents were, who your grandparents are. If
you had talent and hard work and a vision, you
could succeed. It's why millions of people come to this country.
But you look at the first half of what she said,
it was like she was in a faculty lounge and
just sort of signaling out all of the oppressed people
because it's intersectionality, it's there's a whole spectrum. I was
(19:44):
really waiting for her to talk about like a lesbian
Hamas terrorist in a wheelchair, like how could you find
every element of oppression? So she says, she says, well,
Indigenous people, well that that there. She just sort of
the motes in their directions. She doesn't actually say.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It, it's just checked, it's checked the box.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
She's just like, oh, you know, we're on stolen land.
Mind you. She's not proposing giving Manhattan back. She just
is like stolen land, stolen land, America, illegitimate. But look
the comment she makes at the beginning, which which is
truly it's just ludicrous. She says, black Americans created democracy.
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An American now listen. I think much of the journey
of America has been a journey towards equality, a journey
towards justice. And I agree with her. The civil rights
movement in America was pivotal, But the idea that democracy
was created in America by black Americans is just wildly ahistorical.
Where did democracy come from? Well, number one, we don't
(20:47):
have a pure democracy, a pure democracy an Athenian democracy
would be say all the people get together and vote
on the ultimate policy. So you get together and say
what should the law be. Should the top tax rate
be ten thirty percent or ninety percent? Everyone votes and
whatever wins. That's what it is. That's a pure democracy.
We don't have that. We have a republic. We have
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representative democracy. But her claim that black Americans created democracy
in America, know that there were actually two processes that
created democracy in America. Number one, what we are celebrating
in July of this year the Declaration of Independence. That
that was the birthday of our nation. And it was
Thomas Jefferson who penned the immortal words, We hold these
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truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal,
and that they are endowed by their creator with certain
unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness. That declaration, by the way, declaring our
independence not from billionaires but from oppressive government from King George.
That was the beginning of our nation. And then some
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twenty years later the United States Constitution, which created our democracy.
I mean, and if you want to look at the
moment that our democracy was created, It was the delegates
in Constitution Hall in Philadelphia who drafted the constitution, who
set up our system of government, and then the states
that had to ratify it, and once it was ratified,
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it went into effect. That is what is created our
democracy now. If she were speaking precisely, what she could
have said is when our democracy was created, it was
imperfect and we had to travel a journey to move
towards greater equality. That statement is unequivocally right. It is
true accurate. When our nation was created, African Americans in
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half the country were slaves. They had no right to vote,
women had no right to vote. On the question of slavery,
I've said many times slavery is the original sin of America.
It was a grotesque evil. I will point out though,
that how did we abolish slavery? Look, we abolish slavery.
Number one, The person who did it was Abraham Lincoln,
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the very first Republican president. Our party was created in
order to defeat slavery. That was the purpose. That's the
origin of the Republican Party. The Democrat Party, by the way,
virtually its entire tenure defended say it slavery, and fought
ferociously in favor of slavery. But the way the abolitionists
in the Republican Party successfully abolished slavery was not by
(23:25):
attacking our founding principles, not by attacking the Constitution, not
by attacking the Declaration, but rather by appealing to those
principles by saying we are not living up. When Jefferson
wrote the words all men are created equal, that statement
is on its face, completely incompatible with slavery. Jefferson knew
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that he was brilliant, and he was putting into place.
I believe I agree with doctor Martin Luther King who
said the arc of history is long, but it bends
towards justice, but AOC and this is true with the
squad and with all of the communists on the left.
They're so ignorant that everything I just said there they
(24:10):
don't know. They're told that the American Revolution was a
communist revolution against the billionaires, that the answer is more
government power, and they repeat things like black Americans gave
us democracy, which is just simply not accurate. The civil
rights movement was one of the greatest democratic movements in
(24:31):
our nation's history. By the way, she points to the
Civil Rights Act. Look Civil Rights Act far more Republicans.
A much greater percentage of Republicans in Congress voted for
the Civil Rights Act than Democrats. Her party opposed the
Civil Rights Act, the majority of them. And so yes,
we're on a journey. But the left, they're ignorance. It
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is a close battle, which predominates ideology or ignorance, But
they're both intertwined, and they're both fundamentally wrong.
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United for Life and by the way, AOC was not
done there. She also had another pretty interesting line. She
made it very clear that she wanted to say something
about illegal immigrants and saying through fear mongering that once
they're all deported, they're going to come after other groups
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referring to Republicans, take a listen to this.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
All of a sudden, we now have have a paramilitary force.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
We don't have a court system.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Right.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
They don't need they don't think they need judicial warrants,
so you don't get due process.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
So you start creating this black box system.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
But you can start point a finger, whether it's like
again like we saw in Jim Crow, whether you just
point a finger and one hundred years ago accuse a
little black boy or something, you can point a finger
and accuse someone of that today. If you think when
once you build that machine, that it's only going to
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be reserved to that this eats profit, these things Ice.
It's not just ICE, it's Corcivic, it's Geogroup. These those
are corporations that run ICE detention centers. They are for profit,
they are traded on Wall Street. And what happens is
(28:01):
that those companies and this system is that it does
not accept anything but growth. It's not even good enough
to be profitable.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
It's not even good enough to be profitable.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
You have to be more profitable and more profitable and
more profitable. It's not enough to be a profitable business.
You have to keep growing those profits. And so once
they've rounded up every person in this country, who do
you think is next?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah? O, look, that is that both the classic ignorance
and misinformation of the left. So they understand AOC supports
a open border, so she wants to abolish the police.
She wants to abolish eyes. She opposes all law enforcement
that actually secures our border against foreign invaders, against illegal immigrants,
against violent murderers, rapists, child molesters, and gang bangers. And
(28:53):
her position has consistently been let all of them out
of jail. But at the same time she wants to
tell her very ill informed supporters, if there are detention
centers that are used for illegal immigrants, that are used
for violent criminals, those will be used by government against you.
And part of what is really astonishing is if you
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look throughout history, in almost every instance where there been
mass detention centers, it's been the left that has put
them in place. You look at whether it is the
Soviet gulags where communists imprisoned millions. You look at Joseph Stalin,
you know, you read Soulsnicha and the Gulag Archipelago and
(29:40):
talks about the incredible miseries of communism imprisoning millions in prisons.
You look at my father's home country of Cuba and
the prisons that are there right now. You look at
North Korea, Cuba's communists, Soviet Union was communists. North Korea's communists.
You have gulags there. You look at China, China today
(30:01):
has over a million wigers who are religious minorities, who
are in concentration camps. It's the largest instance of human
slavery on the face of the planet. That is communist China.
And by the way, you look at World War Two
the Nazis. So leftists like to paint the Nazis as right,
but let's be clear, Nazis were national socialists. That was
(30:23):
their policy. That's what Nazi stands for is national socialists.
The economic policy of the left is what the Nazis
believed in government control. And I do want to be clear,
it's not just historical leftists who have imposed concentration cans.
Let me be very clear. I think slavery is wrong.
(30:44):
Concentration camps are wrong. Detention camps. By the way, in
the United States, which president created detention camps and detained
American citizens.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I'm gonna go where it was a democrat is I
just want to be clear about this.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
It is a democrat. It was FDR who said up
in tournament camps for Japanese Americans who were American citizens,
and in turn thousands of them forcibly detained them during
World War Two. That was a Democrat. By the way
she talks about Jim Crow, she probably doesn't know this,
but do you know who wrote the Jim Crow laws?
That would be Democrats? Is that? Do you know who
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funded who funded and founded the KKK? That would be Democrats?
And I want to read to give you something recent
in twenty twenty, there was an Iowa based field organizer
for Bernie Sanders' campaign who was caught on tape discussing
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the need for quote re education camps for people who
did not support Bernie Sanders, particularly for Trump supporters. So
AOC it is her side that has advocated we're going
to put the people we disagree with in camps. In
some level, that's not shocking because the left has always
(32:01):
been willing. If you support government power, you are willing
to use that government power to lock up everyone who
disagrees with you. And there's something fundamentally different between locking
up a violent criminal locking up someone who has violated
the law that is protecting the community, that's protecting our citizens,
that is upholding the rule of law. There's something fundamentally
(32:23):
different between that and rounding up and locking up lawful citizens.
And in history, virtually the only people to have done
so have been leftists, have been communists like AOC. And
yet look, I do think she studied Sololensky's rules for radicals.
She starts and throughout accuses her opponents of doing that
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which she would do. And look, these interviews truth matters.
And let me say this as a final point, this
is a big part of the reason we do these
podcasts is to actually engage and give you the substance.
Because if someone is a young person and they're listening
to AOC and they're like, oh, oh, yeah, the American
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Revolution fought to overcome the billionaires. We got to stop
those billionaires. This podcast is here to give you the
facts and information to push back on that dishonest and
ignorant indoctrination.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, no, doubt, don't forget.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
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