#70- THE KANYE DEBACLE

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The Kanye debacle, the stagnation of streaming, and Super Bowls
pains and exposure. You're listening to the biz Tape. Welcome

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to episode seventy of the biz Tape You're all Things, Music,
Business and Media podcast. I'm your host Joe with my
co host Colin Mackay, and uh, we got a lot
going on this week in the music world, we do
an entertainment world and just some crazy, crazy, nonsense, nonsensical
entertainment news. I feel like, well, you know, I think

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it's interesting in a lot of ways. I think we're
seeing a lot of changes in a lot of the the
same old, same old. But it'll be fun. Um. But
they like just saying there's a lot going on and
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random ship that I mentioned that is so haphazard like
that n F t S video. And I'm sure Joe's
probably gonna get mad at me later for something I'm
gonna mention for music, but we're gonna move on from that, uh,
and trying to get through this very heavy show. Uh.
First two stories of the show, we're talking about a
lot about rapping hip hop music, which has been in
the forefront because of the super Bowl. Um, what do

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I just came on here? If you don't know what
the super Bowl is? Like? Yeah, Like I guess at
this for our non American listeners, the super Bowl is
what football? Nope? Sorry? What soccer? Nope? Sorry what American
football is? So that's true. I guess, like, is the
super Bowl just strictly American? Like it's the highest American show,

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but it's not. It's not the highest world show. I
think the highest world show is still the World Cup.
But anyway, yes, uh sorry, if we just man explaining
what the super Bowl was to you. Anyway, we gotta
talk about it because it's actually pretty interesting business in
terms of what it means for the super Bowl in
the future, and also kind of the pitfalls of the

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super Bowl structure, specifically for the halftime show, other than
all of those sweet sweet ad revenue spots that people
are making bank on in the super Bowl, especially with
sync licensing. Uh So, if you didn't see it or
I haven't heard about it, it was pretty notable because
we saw artists like Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige,
Fifty Cent, and Kendrick Lamar are all play. Uh. One

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notable moment that you may have caught or not caught
if you weren't paying attention was Eminem ending his performance
by taking a knee in the support of Colin Kaepernick's
previous similar gesture protesting racial injustice, which I've thought would
be fun. If you guys haven't seen, it's rumored that
apparently Eminem was specifically asked not to do that and
Dr Dre was also specifically asked not to say the

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line is still not loving police, and they both did it,
which I was like, yeah, why not? And Kendrick's part,
uh when like the it's like one line like the
Popo want to kill us in the street Folk show,
like the Popo part he's censored at which I noticed,
and that was it's it's kind of just I don't know,
it's you're not getting asked back, right, you only play

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it one Yeah, you're gonna like you might as well
just go balls to the wall with it. I write, like,
no one's gonna obviously they don't want to get sued
or anything like that, or have the advertisers get so
mad that the NFL is like, Hey, we're gonna make
you, you you know, like a Jana Jackson, Yeah, like a
Justin Timberlake situation, and have like all that craziness around you.

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But I mean, who cares you only play one time.
But the point of it is is that it was
a really great performance in my opinion, and most notably
it has rap and hip hop music in the forefront,
which is kind of a rarity. But it's been kind
of slipping into the super Bowl more and more because
I mean, the super Bowl again is watched by most
most Americans, is the biggest sporting event, one of the

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biggest events on television in America, I believe, is the
biggest event. And so usually it's interesting because when they
do these like collections of artists, which is kind of
wanted to talk about, they kind of try to go
with mass appeal. They try to be like, here's one
form mom, here's one for dad, here's one for the kiddos,
do you know what I mean. So, yeah, it's interesting

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because thematically these are all connected because they all had
to have connections to Dr J and Death Read Records specifically,
which I thought was a nice little change of pace.
You know, it's not just all these random fucking people
that have no reason to be next to each other.
Like if you think about it, I'm gonna list off
some of the ones that are you know, been connection

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connected because of the super Bowl and I it just
it's making me stuttered because I just think it's so
funny because imagine if you went to a concert and
I went, ah, yes, Maroon five is gonna play, and
then Travis Scott is gonna play, and then big Boy
is gonna come out there? Remember big Boy? Yeah? Like
how weird that would be? Or another one from We

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Got Cold played Beyonce and Bruno Mars, which I'm like, okay, cool.
And then Katy Perry, Lenny Kravitz, and Missy Elliott. I
feel like, I'm just like, pick three artists. Here we go. Uh.
And then we had in Madonna, Nicki Minaj and L
M f A. Oh hey remember that band. Yeah they

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played this super Bowl they did. They were party rocking
in that house tonight. Anyway, the point is is that, yeah,
they were trying to go from mass appeal with a
lot of these. They were trying to be like, hey,
here's one for mom, here's one for dad, you know
what I mean. So it's interesting now and we'll talk
about later to see them kind of go more into

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one direction, go like, hey, we're trying to make more
of a thematically connected artists here that make more sense
as opposed to the hodgepodge of artists. But what's interesting
is I was reading a Billboard article about the difference
between these collective performances. I guess I'll call them and
these single artists showcase. Because we've covered in the past,

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and I've said a little bit about Super Bowl performers
do not get directly paid by the NFL. They don't
get a check, They don't get anything. They get their
performance compt you know, like, hey, we need to get
all this together exposure, yes, exactly, So that's all they
get paid in and usually you know, you get hundreds
of thousands of percent increase uh of record sales and streams,

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so it's kind of like worth it in the first place.
And a lot of people use it as a springboard
to be like, hey remember me, and so as you
probably saw it because for instance, like Dr Dre was
like showing off all his like g t A tracks
exclusively made and then now they're public. Yeah, this is
the world we live in where Dr Dre is making
music for g t A and then we have to

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wait for g t A to be like you could
put it on streaming now anyway. But yeah, they use
it as a springboard to be like, go listen to
my music and maybe let's reinvoke my career a little bit.
So what's interesting, though, is that Billboard kind of points
out a very strange thing is that it's not all

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equal when it comes to the gains from the super Bowl.
Since you're not directly getting paid obviously, the exposure it's
gonna vary from super Bowl, the Super Bowl by the
amount of people that are watching. Uh, maybe how engaged
of a performer you are, all that kind of stuff.
But one of the biggest differences is the collective versus
singular performance. So if you were going alone at a time,

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it's gonna be way better for you. It doesn't seem
like it's one of those things where it's like, oh,
let's go, you know, in this Super Bowl's case, let's
go listen to Dr Dre and then Eminem and Snoop
Dogg and and Blige, and it's like, no, it's like,
splits them up. It dilutes this almost the percentage, which
is to be expected, but the actual in like difference

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is insane. So, uh, let's talk about somebody who's really
successful by themselves. Justin Timberlake in Team, which doesn't feel
realist that I can like remember that one, but then
I'm like, justin Timberlake anyway. Justin Timberlake enjoyed a sweet
eight increase in sales the week after his performance, and

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then the one he takes the cake the most is Springsteen,
whopping one thousand two increase the week after. You know,
that doesn't really surprise me as much because I feel
like like you think of American football and like music
with American football, it's Spruce Springsteen, right, I mean he
has MASSI appeal. I also think you had the effect
of being like, hey remember me. You know, for a

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lot of people be like, man, I should listen to
some Springsteen. But like, here's the thing. They're already making
good money in the first place. I mean Springsteen's case,
he was already selling like twenty thousand records a week
before that Super Bowl, so it's not like he's not
making good money, but he's getting a thousand, two h increase.
And I think that's hard for people to quantify, so

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I tried to put it into terms of, you know,
more regular numbers. Is like, if you were getting paid
what's hypothetically, say five hundred dollars a week, right, if
you got a increase the next week, you would be
paid sixty thou dollars. Yeah, that's how much of a
difference these Super Bowl uh performances are for these artists,

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which is why they're very interested to play, which is
why maybe you see all these multi artists shows go yeah,
maybe I'm not the centerpiece, but I'll play. But like
I was saying, it kind of dilutes it. So we're
looking at the twelve show. Now we got this one,
which you were like, they really played. We're talking about Madonna,
Nicki Minaj, element Ifo, m I A, and Celo Green,

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which wow, what a hot people. Um, but some of
them we don't hear about anymore. And so yeah, it
is really strange because Madonna only got she was the headliner.
I should say when they do these multi ones, they
used to just do be like this person, specifically the headliner,
and then we might have some wacky guests, you know.

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So the headliner Madonna had a increase of only two
and twelve, which is still a lot, but it's not
as high as like comparative to Springs right. And apparently
in the thirteen year measurement period where they were doing these,
Billboard was tracking the charts to see how big of
a difference. The biggest one from a multi act show

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was cold Play and they only had a three seven percent.
Like again, not nothing right, I'm just gonna help myself here.
I'm a cold Play fan. I know, I know, I
know I'm not I'm ashamed, but it's a you know,
I'm I'm proud of my Boys for getting three percent
increased there with with Beyonce, which who knew Beyonce and

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cold Play would be meshed so well together? Right, Like
we can say that, like you could say those words
and pomegrant anyway. So like the point that I'm trying
to say is that, yeah, it's kind of diminishing returns here,
and so cold Play like again, did the best of

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these multi and only got three, which is still a
far why lead. Remember timber Lake had a plus lead
compared to that um But as Billboard notes and I
should probably notice well, is that Eminem and Kendrick have
had extreme success when it comes to just beating sales
expectations and explosive growth. So they were like, if anyone's

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going to beat this trend, it's probably this group of performers.
But we will know until next week, so we'll have
to see about that. But the question I asked, and
this is kind of why I asked this question to
our audience, which if you ever want to vote on
our polls, I do it on Instagram on Monday and Twitter.
It's all week long, and then you can even see
him in the newsletter if you want to keep up
with the actual results, but thinking in mind, like you're

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getting diminishing returns right for performing if you're with a
group of people, and if, for instance, the NFL wanted
to make more of an effort to be like, hey,
programming wise, let's like highlight a type of music for instance,
Like in this case, it's like what coast hip hop
and stuff? Everything under that Dr dre Spear was kind

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of there, like what if next year we did uh
we we did like pop punk for some you know,
it's like here's Paramore, here's all these people like all
this kind of related to each other. So what I'm
thinking is is that since all of them, not through
any fault to their own, are going to probably get
less percentage overall, which means less money overall. Do you

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think the super Bowl should pay these performers directly? Because
the idea was and it was funny because one of
our Twitter responses to our poll was they have enough,
which I'm like, I get it. But at the end
of the day, they're doing a very technical weeks of performance,
you know, rehearsals, all that kind of stuff. It's a

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lot of huge audience, a lot of pressure and people
at the end of the day should be paid for
their service of entertaining. I mean, if you went to
a concert and they didn't explicitly say hey, we want
this to be free, and you just were there, I
mean sure, I mean you can listen over the wall.
But like everyone kind of has the expectation. It's like, oh,
we're paying for supporting this artist, and so we're paying

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for their performance by buying tickets. So what what I
asked everybody? I said, do you think again super Bowl
performers should be paid directly by the NFL, especially in
the context of that if like if you have all
diminishing returns, or if the NFL kind of takes more
of a direction towards thematic performances. Which is funny because
Instagram and said yes, I think I gotta look up Twitter.

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Twitter was more negative. It was actually who would have
guesstive negative? Um, but Twitter at the time other than
my favorite, they have enough, which I think is just
really funny. We have well right now, I launched it late,
but so we have one vote from that one person
said we have enough. So currently we have like you know,

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a couple a good group of people on Instagram, Because
to be honest is the more popular poll, and then
this one person who's bang you know, who's really banded.
So if you want to vote for it, by the way,
it's always on Twitter. But yeah, like the point that
I'm trying to make is that it seems that to me,
it's interesting to kind of compare and contrast because we

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have a lot of music enthusiasts in here. So I
think it kind of makes sense in this room, living
in the wall, we have a lot of music enthusiasts
and our social media should say, and so it kind
of makes sense from where their backgrounds are and stuff that. Obviously, yes,
performers should be compensated for their performance and all that
kind of stuff. But if you kind of go to

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you know, let's say they have enough crowd, which I
would say is a lot of it is a significant
amount of people, they'd be like, no, they're gonna make
money from the album sales or whatever. But there's it's
so strange because there's like nothing that works like that,
you know what I mean. So if we you know,
take it to an actor, was that like Dwayne the

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Rock Johnson opened the thing. I'm sure he got paid
or had some you know, partnership with NBC or ABC,
I can't remember what the fucking network is. But like
he he had some compensation. They want you to intro
the game whatever. Yeah, everyone's kind of like, yeah, of
course because he went out there, did the whole speech, spoke.
But then when someone starts, he can just come up

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say the line. Leave, never has to do anything else
except hang out for us, right, And you can maybe
argue it's like, well, he gets to reap the rewards
because of the exposure and all that kind of stuff,
just like the performers. But but it's kind of weird
because it's just like I feel like from culturally we
understand it's from different industries that are you know, acting

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and performance that aren't musical. Everyone's like, yeah, you should
be compensated for that. It's so strange to be NFL,
you know, a multibillion dollar organization to be like, nah,
he just kind of own your own. I mean, if
you were headlining a giant tory, a bunch of people
are coming, obviously you're a little bit side to the game,
but you're part of the reason people are coming. You're

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part of the reason people are watching it, you know
what I mean. So it's not like you're a side
show and it's like the NFL is helping you out,
you know what I mean. So it's just confusing to
me to watch that kind of happened. Is to go
from the crowd of like people maybe more like us
or the Instagram crowd, who are saying, yes, of course
people should be compensated performance. But then we have these

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other people they're like they have enough money, which I
would like to add, you know who doesn't have enough
money from their fifty cent I'm serious? Wait what okay?
What happened with I was saying so many mes of
just like underneath the stage. So, yeah, has had a
lot of problems with his money in terms of due

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to a lot of his own fault, which is mismanaging it,
I believe, and uh, I mean right now it says
he has thirty million dollars, but apparently a lot of
it is he alleged that he has a lot of
this money and there's a lot of taxable income that
the I R S wants from him, which is kind
of the problem. And I was like, with like that money,

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like if he signed a bad deal for instance. I'm
not talking to my ass here, but I'm pretty sure
I'm right about the thing. But like what I'm saying
is like, if I was fifty cent, it's like, yeah,
I get my album sales. But if I signed a
bad deal or something twenty years ago and I'm still
seven of my eight album contract, it's like I need

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this money. It's just crazy to me that it would
be like, oh, he can't have it. The NFL is
just going to give you exposure. There's just nothing else
I could think that could work like that, you know, yeah,
I mean I personally, uh, my own take on it.
I do feel like fifty cent a lot of his
money issues stems from him, not so much the deals

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he signed. I mean, I'm sure in the beginning he's
had bad deals, but since then he has kind of
grown out of that. I guess let's go with that.
I mean, I think it's more of a principle. Well,
it's like, yeah, I mean, if you're working, you should
get paid for your work, Like that's that's what you
should be paid for. But for some reason, when you

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add entertainment into the equation, a lot of people think
that like, oh, entertainment, it's fun all the time. It's
the cool factor. Blah blah blah. Right, we've talked about
the cool factor so much, and that that bleeds into
every level of the entertainment industry from all the way
to high low, all the way too high. I what's
funny was my partner was actually talking to a friend
today who um like works in the industry but also

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has like worked outside of the industry as well. Um
And the salary rates in comparison is astounding because like,
it's not you. You start out at like maybe twenty
five thirty k, which is like insanely low, and right,
it's a starting position, well a lot of those same position.

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If you take the music equation out of it and
you just you're doing it at an office or a
medical institution or like somewhere else, then you're going to
be making sixty five k'n. I was told very early
on in my career. It's like the further you get
away from the music, the more money you'll make. And
that's like the hyper example, if you're completely out I
mean to be perfectly honest, it's true and a lot

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of these entertainers, the more money they make is out
of out of the entertainment sphere. It's more of to
do with like selling products or product place. I mean,
there's a reason that Eminem's you know, tweeting our instagramming
choose right after the super Bowl. Yeah, exactly because he's
getting paid tons of money because of his his platform
rather than his skill as an artist, right. I mean,

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his skill as an artist helped him get to that platform.
People understand that he is a great musician, a great lyricist,
but now people are looking to these celebrities, these musicians
more than oh, you can sing really well and a
great performer. You have to look great on camera obviously

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and all that. It's a lot of different skills together.
So it's just amazing that, you know, if it's such
a giant opportunity, why that's taken away? But I guess
that before we hit that too in the nail, I
think we should move on to the thematic part that
I'm talking about. I am super interested in this direction
for the Super Bowl to have halftime shows. They're not

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just a hodgepodge of like four artists that have nothing
to do with each other. Like it is kind of fun,
I will say, but like the the lack of I
guess organic feel to it makes it seem so forced um,
and it makes it feel like there's no there's no

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way in hell these people should be playing together. And
a lot of the time it's not like something cool.
It's not like I don't know it Like it's never like, oh,
here's Madonna, you know, I don't know playing the LMF
l M A FO song. She's not going party rock.
It's like, here's your turn, Okay, goodbye for a second, Madonna.

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Let's go to m I A. Okay, m I A
is done, Let's go to Ceo Green back to Madonna
because she's the headline. So it just feels like really
strange to be to be like, oh, let's force all
of these people together to kind of battle in the spot.
I think it's strange, but I also think at the
time it was in to have, like what if we

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take these two polar opposite artists and throw them together.
I mean, I get it. It's kind of it kind
of relates to almost like a variety show. Yeah, and
that's exactly what they want because, like you said before,
they're trying to hit every demographic. It would be weird
if you're watching like America's got talent, right and somebody's performing,
and then they went, well, man, you can just like

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Susan Boyles up there. Wow, you can sing so great,
love it. And then in the middle of it, it's
like She's like, and now my friend the ventriloquists, and
the ventriloquist guy comes up and it's like, hey, I'm
going to sing the song partially now too. You'd be like,
what the funk? Give that person their time? Then moved
to the next person. Why does every contestant have to
be molded together? What is Susan Boyle doing now? Is

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she is she like eminem? Is she's selling shoes? Is
she doing her thing? Get drip so um? But like
what I'm trying to say is that, Yeah, I think
it's weird how forced it is. Um. I also don't
want to completely go off of the political significance of
this as as well. I think historically specifically, the NFL

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has had a terrible time with public relations and especially
with uh you know, when it comes to race in
the NFL specifically and still currently having that, and a
lot of people are actually saying the reason they had
like h DR DRE and every it is because of
that reason, which is definitely a factor, I think, and

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a thing that was probably thought about, and I'm glad
because they did it in a thematic way that it
felt more tasteful, more organic. You know, it didn't feel
tasteful the Marine five Travis Scott thing. That's what I'm
talking about is when the when the peak of the
whole kneeling and all this kind of stuff was going on,
it really did feel like it was like, Okay, Maroon five,

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Mom's gonna love this. She won't be mad at it.
And I was like, but then we can prove we're
woke because we'll have Travis Scott come on for three
minutes and then he'll jump off. That feels really disrespectful
to me personally. So I'm glad that they were like,
let's do this in a more respectful way, in my opinion,
by having an entire showcase of artists that actually all

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relate to each other and have connections to each other.
I've also, like a lot of people have been saying
to like, these artists aren't really relevant, right, except like
maybe like Kendrick, Right, Kendrick is probably the most relevant
artists out of all the person pack miming Yeah, But however,
I would like to point out as well, it's been

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a long time coming for these artists to play the
super Bowl. Well, I also think there's a time gap
for a lot of this stuff. I think there is
a you know, there's an amount of time where someone
was a really big artist and then they kind of
come back through the super Bowl and play. It depends
on how long that gap is. I mean, I think
a shorter one is like a Lady Gaga situation, who

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ten years before was every song that she put out
was the number one song. But for these artists, specifically
Dr Dre, I mean, I mean, if you want to
go all the way back to n w A in
the early nineties, yeah, almost three decades if you wanted
to say that. But what I'm trying to say with
this is that I have seen that thing. They're like, oh,
they're never relevant. I was like, that's kind of the point,

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because everybody knows these that and think of it like this.
People throw around the term legacy like a legacy artist.
Think of it, they have a legacy, that's why they're
playing the super Bowl rather than they're older. Has the
term legacies used a lot in the music industry, Yeah, Um,

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I hope I'm a legacy one day. Find my when
I when I have my cane, my Walker. You know
he's gonna have a legacy. I can't wait for this transition.
Yeah all right, I mean, we can't not talk about
the Kanye debacle that happened this past week. I mean,

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it's it's kind of insane. So obviously a lot going
on this week, um, including another insane show of something
from Ye a k A Kanye West. Yes he did
change his name to ye in case you forgot, because
I definitely did. I definitely forge out about that. But anyway,
this week, Kanye went on an Instagram rampage, posting insane

(27:05):
photoshop graphics of him versus his soon to be ex
wife's partner Pete Davidson in the style of UFC fight
photos and like way more abstract ones that begged the question,
who is Who's making these? Four? Is he? Because honestly,
some of like some of them were kind of mildly impressive,
Like the lighting was kind of cool, smooth, there was

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into but it was like also like you could tell
I almost feel like he got the finished graphic and
then he threw it into a shredder and then posted
it because it was like so low right, like there's
like four filters on yeah exactly. It was like deep
fried as hell? Can I can I inject quick? Yeah?
I will say, we're not going super gossipy with this.
We're not. It's a little the story to talk about

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why you can get a little we can get a
little gossipy, you know. Well yeah, I mean we can
get a little bit. But at the end of the day,
it's just really fucked up. Yeah exactly, but um. Kanye
continued to Lambass Davidson, uh Pete Davidson, as well as
posting screenshots of supposed text conversations that he had with
Kim as well as Pete, and which Kim asks him

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to stop harassing them publicly and that she has worried
for pete safety. Kanye also put out a statement something
saying that Kid Cutty would not be on Donta two
and his friends with skeets I mean Pete, to which
Cutty replied, quote, too bad. I don't want to be
on your album, you fucking dinosaur. Ha ha ha ha
ha crying laughing, Moji, everyone knows, I'm the best thing

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about your album since I met you. I'm gonna pray
for you, brother, PC emoji. I'm just gonna be honest, Cutty.
I don't know if you're the best thing that happened
to Kanye. I'd argue jay Z maybe, um, but you
know we'll move on from that um. With this whole fiasco,
Kanye has gained an astounding number of followers, generating over

(29:00):
one point five million followers in the span of around
two days since Kanye deleted all like since Kanye deleted
all the photos, and he only has to currently live
at the time of recording this one, which is a
badly cropped statement about how leaders should be peaceful and
wait for God. With the caption quote sent to me
from my cousin uh dre written by FRIEDA. Bailey, who

(29:23):
works who worked for Adida's and the other calls out
calls into question his callouts from fans, saying that like
he continuously used like all caps and like made it
very like kind of triggering and very like demanding. Yeah,
um and very call to action. He and he and
he he he uh he posted a photo and he

(29:44):
said quote, I've learned that using all caps makes people
feel like I'm screaming at them. I'm working on my communication.
I could benefit from the team of creative professionals, organizers,
mobilizers and community leaders. Think everybody for supporting me. I
know sharing screenshots was jarring and came off as harassing, Kim.

(30:05):
I take accountability. I'm still learning in real time. I
don't have all the answers. To be a good leader
is to be a good listener, will Kanye? What a
great statement? Um. Since then, many have joked online that
this is just a PR team saving face. Um. But
since this Instagram bombshell went off, Kanye has released a
song called City of Gods with Alicia Keys and Phidio Foreign,

(30:29):
as well as his Netflix documentary Genius, which is set
to premiere very soon on the platform, as well as
Donte two being on its way. So with the timing
of all of this, can we safely say that this
is a marketing move because I mean, if we're looking
at the sheer numbers of like in the timing of it,

(30:53):
it just it's straight up to me, this is a
marketing move. And well it's and speculated forever, but it's
it's it's so on on brand with Kanye, like he's
done this so many times and not either intentionally or
not intentionally, his marketing strategy literally well, and I would

(31:15):
like to say this is not the first time Kanye
has had a controversy um and like maybe a marketing
move as well, but he hasn't actively dragged his family
into it really, so this is like the first time
that he's like doing that, and I think, like it
begs the question is like is the cost of this
marketing worth the loss of this relationship and trust as

(31:39):
well as like allowing the entertainment industry to kind of
egg this on, you know, yeah, because I have a personally,
I have a deep problem with like Kanye like doing
this and then as well as having a McDonald's commercial,
you know what I mean, Like there's just something off
putting to have a reality of that, yeah, because it's

(32:02):
it really is like if you guys go back, like
you can't find it on his page now obviously, but
people have archived a lot of the screenshots and stuff,
and it's pretty insane, like some of the stuff he
was saying. Well, like I think at the end of
the day, it's very for lack of a better word, scary.
It's very threatening sounding. It's very directed obviously at Pete

(32:25):
and and by proxy his uh, you know, former wife
Kim Kardashian, and you know it's going to affect his children,
you know, and so well. And that's yeah, that's another thing.
I mean, can you imagine seeing this in real time
as you're growing up, your dad fighting with your mom.
So that's the thing I've I've kind of talked to

(32:45):
you a little bit about this off Mike. Is the
question at Bay really is does he bring this stuff
up on purpose and try to, you know, cause controversy
on purpose in an attempt to create hype for releases
of either you know, any of his many business ventures,

(33:06):
his music, a documentary, clothing, all of that kind of stuff,
in an attempt to you know, hey, come look at
Kanye West and then by proxy, look what Kanye West
is also doing. Or is it just a man who
has clear mental issues who is working at a very

(33:26):
stressful time making an album that has a lot of
things going on in a lot of different parts, and
it's very hyped and has an active divorce going on
that seems very bitter from his side and everything, and
he's just venting in a very unhealthy, aggressive manner um.

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That's the question is it is it one of those two.
Is it actually being calculated or is it just the
byproduct of, you know, a man in his current situation
and not being able to deal with those feelings. And
that is not a question with Kanye West for years.
I mean, if you go back to don to one,

(34:09):
I mean the first thing with don to one was
him basically backing up all of these people that were
in dire straits with their career in terms of all
these people that were under brig Yeah, huge scrutiny um.
And that was like kind of his whole thing. He
was like, oh, this is a redemption tour almost to

(34:33):
show like the duality of being canceled or something bullshit anyway,
But like the thing is is that he has a pattern,
and the pattern is there, and you can't really fight
that the pattern exists. We just don't know what causes
the pattern, and they never know for sure without either
some type of week of like an insider being like

(34:58):
here's the documentation of Kanye, like we're planning this, or
someone you know, more people coming from the background saying
like no, Kanye just has some severe issues when it
comes to his divorce and it's making an album that's
stressing him the hell out, and so he's coping in
a very unhealthy way by getting the whole internet to

(35:18):
be on his side. And at the end of the day,
like I don't like the strategy that Kanye uses. I
think it does actively hurt his family and other members
that he is calling out for little to no reason.
Do you think it's hurting the industry too, because I

(35:39):
can see this being a trent in the future. Well,
it all goes back to the old thing of is
all controversy good better than notoriety? Right exactly? So, I
think that's always been an entertainment thing always since entertainment started.
I think that by proxy of social media, it has

(36:03):
sped it up a lot, because it's not like you
have to go what is happening in the papers, you know,
or something, But it's definitely sped it up and allowed
it to be created easier and spread easier. I think
that some artists and some people have chosen that path
for themselves that it's like, hey, any controversy is good,

(36:24):
it's going to help my career, and some people it's
like myself, are more in the camp of that is
extremely risky. It seems like it will mentally drain you
so fast, and so I don't know if the industry
is actively going towards that. It seems like just a
constant variable that people have to deal with. But I

(36:48):
definitely feel and understand people that are like, I'm upset
that it kind of exists and that people enable it,
because that's the only way that this exists. Then Kanye
has your careers because people innately and if you don't
believe me, go look at some conversations, especially on Twitter
about Kanye West and people TikTok or any social media

(37:11):
who are just saying, you know, yeah, this is just
a broken man and he has the right to do this.
And I don't mean he is with that. He he
does have the right to have feelings, right, I think,
and that's what you do with those. But it's what
you do with those feelings that's so important. And I
think weaponizing your audience, no matter who you are, no

(37:34):
matter how big you are, is something that you should
not take very lightly. And I think Kanye has taken
very lightly the past five years. I think yeah, and
I definitely think that, and we've talked about on this
show the power of having notoriety and fame and the
responsibility of wielding it and knowing that, and there is

(37:56):
responsibility and a lot of people I I would see
a lot of people arguing for artists, especially artists this
big that they're like, oh, they don't know that now
they do? They have entire teams that responsible are My
thing is this, like, look, here's a great example that
could be on the fence in my opinion. Let's go

(38:16):
to Olivia Rotarrigo. She's very you know, newer artists thrust
into the line. Might she had some line might from
the Worst name show of All time, High School, the musical,
the musical of the series whatever, that thing is called
tattoo but face one day. And the point that I'm
trying to make is that there was a whole kind
of Hey, are you using your fame in a bad

(38:37):
way with her ex boyfriend? And are you direct are
you like involuntarily directing fans to hate on this person?
And we haven't even heard this person's side yet, and
I you know, we've had this conversation about this specific
thing before. Where I go, I don't know, I mean,
she's a newer artist, she might not know about all

(38:59):
the power she had is because it's been so explosive.
You know, he's been around the music industry for almost
fifteen twenty years now, is Kanye West. So it's hard
for me to give that same lenience that maybe I
would give it Olivia Rodrigo in this case, when people say, oh,
you know, he doesn't know all the things he's called, yeah,
I get it. You can get blinded by the fame.

(39:19):
You don't realize after you get too used to it.
But he knows how powerful of a person he is.
I mean he goes on about it, no, you know,
saying right, so he knows what he's doing here. And
it's honestly why you know, when people said, we're joking
about the pr thing, I'm like, maybe, but that's also

(39:40):
could just be him. I mean, I mean that's the
strategy of what he's done. I mean, he's always been
that kind of thing where it's, you know, almost three
steps of aggression and only a step back. It was
pretty funny like reading all of the lead up ones
to that one, because it was like it literally felt
like he was screaming at you, like it was all
cap It was like yeah, and then like it goes

(40:02):
to that one, and it for my mind gave like
his voice is like the most calming chills Serene. I've
learned that using all caps makes people feel sad. It's
like the internet very jarring. Well, and you know that's
kind of where I'm leaning on, Like Kanye has used
the internet. He knows exactly what gets clicks, he knows

(40:25):
exactly what gets people's attention, and he knows how to
time things before release. And that's why it seems it's
it's not coincidental, But we want to know why the
genuine it is and the authenticity of like I don't
want to say the emotion, but like the authenticity of
the kind of campaigns he does. I would also say,

(40:47):
I mean either way, I don't think this should be
a strategy. I think it should be a strategy. I
think that the thing with it is that it's kind
of a huge double edged sword to the person doing it. Yeah,
you're gonna get so much like down the road to
like historically, what are people going to think of Kanye

(41:07):
towards the end of his career? Well, that's the that's
the sad part is that like a lot of people
will just wash over that and be like he may
be great music. And that's the thing that I've tried
to and I've had conversations with you about this, is
that terrible people can be good at different things. Kanye

(41:28):
West can be not such, you know, not a great
person in in my opinion, in his personal life and
the way he's handling this, but he can also make
great beats and stuff. He can also wrap very well.
And that that is a thing that's hard for people
because and I think honestly hurts a lot of the
music industry and any artistic industry is to believe that

(41:51):
if someone's has bad opinions about something, that automatically everything
else is bad. Because I think what that causes is
people to be hidden, is to and causes people, yeah,
and to hide like people who can be doing bad
ship on the side, and it causes, you know, a
reality of this doesn't exist, This can't happen. You can't

(42:15):
be a bad person who makes really good music or
a bad person who's a really good actor. And I
think it just causes a lot of blind spots. At
the end of the day. I did too. I I mean,
like any any manager or any potential signer for an artist,
their biggest thing is that you make good music and
you're genuine. You know that. You said it on the

(42:37):
show before. I said, there's people who I know don't
make good as good music, but they're way nicer and
way more sincere, and I want them to have a
career more. Yeah, yeah, I mean people, Yeah, people higher
up in the music industry want that a lot of
the time. And that's how people get big as they
meet other people and they're not great. But if you're
a ship head, I don't I don't want to work
with you. Yeah, I know, but doesn't want to work

(42:58):
with you. That is the thing though, Like this industry
is very wishy washy with that. I mean, like any industry,
you're gonna have assholes and terrible feople, right, but this
one's like people are in the limelight, you know. People
look up to these people, and so that's where I
think the steaks are a little bit higher in some cases.
Oh yeah, because you you, your platform is so much bigger,

(43:21):
So just minuscule things can cause huge ripple effects for
people who yeah, literally in Kanye's case, belief your god,
you know. So I don't even want to get into that.
Well to do we have some not depressing what is this?

(43:41):
I think this is intriguing, like an intriguing future thought. Um,
so we're going more techy with this, but I'm gonna
dumb it down. What I date the green eminem if
she has the heels anyway, So, yeah, let's talk about
music streaming. Is it do for an upgrade? Now we've

(44:03):
talked about this, Yeah, we're talking about upgrades. So I've
talked about this a little bit on the show, but
I really wanted to dissect it because I was kind
of seeing some articles about what people are doing and
what industry people think about streaming. And it's interesting because
I think you would You wouldn't disagree, is that music
streaming has been very stale in terms of adding new

(44:26):
features for years. It feels like if I went back
to Spotify, it's like the same right, or or an
Apple Music when it first launched. It's not like there's
some crazy new features or anything like that. I will
say was Spotify there was a massive update when we
were in college. Fucked all my shut up, I will say.
And it's way harder to find artists. I feel like

(44:48):
it's it's very hard for me. But you would agree
it's very hard to find like oh yes this was
added on like and this was you know, introduced. I mean,
here's a question for you before we start. Can you
really give me like a discernible reason to stream on
one platform versus another that isn't about bundling or price. Um. Well,

(45:12):
to be honest, I think it's just the UI. I
think it's personal preference, right. I don't think you would
say they're very homogenized, right, Like they usually have play buttons,
they usually have search buttons. There's a shuffle feature, this
playlist that are automatic. They're very much saming, right. That's
the thing that's interesting about it is that I think

(45:32):
compared to other platforms, like let's go to streaming platforms,
in terms of video, it's very different. Like if you
go to an HBO or a Netflix, it's like ship
this is way different looking. Uh, the schedules for shows
are different, you know. Uh, there's different actual shows on
each one. So it's like there's a big you're not

(45:54):
getting confused. I could probably show you like an Apple
Music and a Amazon and not tell you what they
are and just be like here, listen to some music,
and you'd probably So that's kind of the thing is
that it's interesting to watch this race of almost normalization
happened because the only thing they have to do is

(46:16):
to battle with price really right now, because there hasn't
been any features. And the reason why I really want
to cover this, it's because I think it hurts artists
toill lacked. And here's why. Artists always in record labels
are like, hey Spotify, Hey Amazon, Hey Apple Music, you
should pay us more per stream that that's a way

(46:39):
of making more money. What's another way of making more money?
The streaming service just gets paid more, that DSP gets
some more monthly payments and stuff like that. That's well,
and people get really heated about bundles, you know, you're
evaluating this and all this kind of stuff, But like,
that's what I'm saying is you have to look at

(47:00):
both ends. If you want streaming prices to increase, then
we have to have more features because nobody's going to
pay more um. And so one of the few ways
that I think personally that we're gonna get artists more
of a paycheck is we gotta get these streaming platforms
maybe to raise their price a little bit. And rightfully, so,

(47:22):
I don't think anyone's gonna do it unless you add
something cool or innovative to make it worth it. Because
music is everywhere, we don't really follow the model like
video streaming, where hey this is only on here. Hey
this is only on here. We've seen in the past
how that's crashed and burned and people just end up
pirating because of ease of access and stuff like that.

(47:43):
So the only way I can think of personally is
that they got they got ad features is with what
I'm getting at, and that's one of the few ways
that I think would be really easy. You know, a
win win to increase payouts for songwriters is like, you know,
maybe you keep the same rate that shitty and should
be raised, but if we're all making more money in general,

(48:05):
that rate is going to go up with the profit
of the company and the revenue of the company. So
for instance, the article is referencing before is from Billboard
and they were talking to insiders about the stagnation of streaming.
He's like one one insiders that quote in terms of
like other things that you get for a ten dollar
monthly subscription. I don't know if they need to give

(48:27):
anymore with streaming services, because I think you're already getting
a tremendous value for the price, which is another thing
I would say. It's like, it's like, how cheaper can
you get? You can't get really well much cheaper, especially
now than like how how much physical products have increased
their worth exactly and the vale and what they do
instead is they just throw It's funny to watch these

(48:48):
big tech companies like an Apple and Amazon they basically
throw it as a you know, a chip into the
pot and being like, hey, if you use our main services,
like you know, you buy a new iPhone or you
get Amazon Prime, we'll just throw this in. It doesn't
feel like, oh, this is a product. It feels like
an addition to sell another product, which I don't know

(49:09):
personally as someone who loves music, I don't like that
because I feel like it's a repercussion of you know,
having less innovation in the space because of that, so
really hidden on the nail here, how can we how
can we get these prices up? Like what features could
we do? Um? So, the first things that people have

(49:29):
been trying is sound. Obviously we've seen HD streaming options
and specifically spatial sound options, which I really want to
get into because I have a Yeah, we'll get into that.
Explain more about that if you don't sound Yeah. Basically

(49:51):
we have the likes of Amazon HD streaming title is
basically always focused about being high quality. Uh. Spotify is
eternally delayed HD, which I have no idea when that's
going to come out. And then most recently, like on
the spat shoal front, we have Apple Music spatial audio. Now.
I want to highlight Apple Music because I think, to
be honest, they have one of the few features sonically

(50:14):
that could actually catch on. And there's kind of a
twofold that I think a lot of people aren't connecting
when it comes to Apple Music and Apple the company
when it comes to them actually creating a feature that
people would want, i eat pay more money for in
a streaming service. So spatial audio for people who aren't
engineers is like Joe saying, it's surround sound basically, um,

(50:36):
but it doesn't have to just be like the traditional
you are have five or six speakers around you. It's
just having that spatial effect that it feels like music
is surrounding you. So you can have the traditional surround
sound set up, you know, five point one five speakers
in a sub or seven point one seven speakers in
a sub uh, but you could just have two if

(50:58):
you use the correct software and their things to do
it and mimic kind of that same effect that five
speakers would have. Now it's gonna be a little bit different,
but it's gonna be pretty close and you can actually
experience like a surround mix. Um. But what's interesting is
that Apple Music, since they've implemented the ability to upload this,
has seen a notable increase in Nix's made in spatial audio,

(51:21):
which I think is hilarious because I was talking to
some of my buddies who work in studios. One of
my buddies works in uh like around Blackbird Studios, which
is a world renowned studio here in Nashville, and they
were telling me that that's what people are doing all day,
is they're going in there and they're taking old songs,
new songs, just making spatial mixes of it because people

(51:42):
are interested in it. And it's not just the audio files,
which is the most interesting thing. And I'll get to
you why it's not just the audio files in a minute,
but to show you how big of a thing it
is for Apple, thirty seven percent of the top ten
songs on Apple's Music Apple Music's Globe daily Top one
hundred songs charts are available in spatial audio, and of

(52:05):
the platform's top one hundred songs in the US today
are available in spatial audio. Now, was that available before
they hit that those like top marks or was that
a post top mark thing? Uh? Do you me like? So? Like,
was the original song and already had the availability of
the spatial when they added well as of when the

(52:25):
article was written, which I believe was about two or
three days ago, that was the statistic because that that's
how much it had arisen, and it had increased. Spatial
audio streaming had increased four times more. So people are
like kind of interested and you're probably like, wait, how
are they interested in this? Because one of the worst
things about the whole let's make the sound better is

(52:48):
that you usually you have to have better equipment, and
that's usually only owned by audio files and stuff like that, so,
you know, more expensive headphones, you've got to go into
the whole deck territory. I don't want to get into
that act, right, And so the quality war is very minimal,
but people can like hear and understand spatial audio. Like

(53:09):
I can give you a file and be like, this
is more high quality. It's like twenty four bit versus
thirty h bid float or whatever, and be like can
you hear the difference? And you'd be like that's hard
to hear, like you kind of have to be trained
to hear that, but spatially, like since it's literally surrounding you,
most people understand that immediately. So it's got a very
presentable effect. And Apple basically has removed the barrier to

(53:31):
entry because of air pods. Yeah, so the noise cancelation, no,
because air pods allow spatial audio the pros do, and
then Beats has ones because Apple owns Beats um has
ones that do that too, so you don't have to
have which is why you know, home surround sound for

(53:53):
like movies and stuff like that are only used by
enthusiasts because people don't have a fucking speaker set up.
But guess what Apple has market share of. It's kind
of what the estimate that I've seen online of these
bluetooth audio devices. So there's so many people out there
that have the ability to get a tangible new feature

(54:15):
to them because they're using Apple products, so unlike a
lot of these other sound things, it can actually be seen.
This is an actual feature that regular people may want
to actually try and have the ability to try, which
is why I'm actually excited about it, like from a
sound perspective, because everybody else you can't get like, oh okay,

(54:38):
this file is just a little bit more crisp, okay,
fuck off, you know what I mean. I'm just trying
to listen to fucking Miley cyrus here get away from me.
So like, but like if you were like, hey, do
you want this crazy experience of being surrounded, that's like
way different. That's got a gimmick, that's got a niche,
and people might enjoy it more. And then other than that,
like sonically, obviously it's the main thing, and then we

(55:02):
have kind of everything else. I mean, like you said,
you got you I kind of changes and stuff like that.
Funny enough, there's kind of a thing that Insider said
where people are just kind of waiting for the metaverse,
which I think is really funny. Waiting room pretty much right,
them and Mark and everybody and the shareholders who are like,

(55:24):
please give us our money back in the shareholder room,
And so the point that I'm trying to make with
is that they might go the direction of streaming services,
of providing visual content with you know, audio and trying
to make like an interactive experience. But it seems like
a lot of services are basically dancing around it because
they're basically going, why would we make this visual interactive content,

(55:48):
get a spend money or just wait for Facebook to
make the engine to make all of this crazy stuff happen.
So yeah, that's kind of what we're at. Would stream
like streaming, it's very stagnated. And uh, other than that,
I think it's really hard to think of, like how
can I evolve this platform. I mean, obviously if we knew,

(56:09):
we'd make a bank if I had the way of
being like this will get everybody hyped on Amazon Music
or somebody, Um damn. Yeah. It's just I think it's
super interesting because with spatial audio specifically, not that I've
made fun of spacial audio in the past, but it's

(56:31):
because of the lack of implicate like the actual like
you can't fucking do it like in your car, Like
why would you do it anything? Well, I mean your
car technically does have a surround thing, but it's hard
because you know, five people sit in a car, and
those surround speaker setups are meant to be like you
sit here, you sit here, so like if somebody's closer

(56:52):
to one speaker, it kind of breaks the effect, but
like if you got it directly in your ears, there's
nothing you can do to break the effect. Now, obviously,
like I said, it's different, like having speakers that are
in surround is way different. It just you kind of
feel it more other than the actual software doing it
for yourself to make it feel like this is actually

(57:14):
above you, this is actually below you, this is your left,
this is to your right, and stuff like that, because
you actually have like seven sources of audio as opposed
to just too. But it's actually able to happen, which
is what I think is crazy, and it has more
importantly a discernible difference, like than just being like the

(57:37):
quality is better because I want to see the number
get higher. Um, But yeah, I think I think it's
a great crazy thing to see if Apple can actually provide.
They are providing the solution to their own problem by
being a manufacturer basically and having such market share, which
kind of makes me sad for other streaming services because

(57:58):
it's like, one, how could you compete with at Amazon?
Probably can, but like if you're Spotify, it's like, I
don't make ship so um. I Also, I also don't
know what visual streaming would be like, because it's like,
at the end of the day, it's like, what's the
difference between this and a fucking movie? You know what
I mean? Like, oh, like, and then I feel like
it'd be really lame. It would just be like a

(58:19):
Tame and Paul music video and then there'd be like
a lava lamp background and you'd be like, whoa, this
is sick. You know. Honestly, if that comes out later,
you might you might we might be able to uh
copyright put that ship down because I put it into
a medium of recording. Yeah, it's so yeah, that's the
kind of the thing. It's like, it is interesting to see,

(58:40):
but I think it's an important battle to actually look
at because it's one of the ways that you can
get songwriters and artists to make more money. It's really
hard to be like, hey to a company, to a
multimillion dollar, billion dollar corporation, trillion dollar actually another thing
about Apple, uh and be like, hey, can we have
more money from you, they'd be like no. But if

(59:01):
you're like, can we all make more money? Yeah, let's
do that. That's way better. I love that. It's just
a way easier self god, But yeah, I think we
have an interesting future when it comes to that, and
it's going to be interesting to see if they can
actually battle it out in between them and actually create

(59:22):
innovation in the space. And so, you know, it's just
for apps that look the same. It really has been
lacking a lot recently because it's almost like every other
platform is trying to catch catch up with Spotify. It's like,
how that's happened? And honestly, with this high fidelity streaming
thing and also with the spatial audio, I think you're right.

(59:43):
I think it's like, now these other platforms might have
a leg up of Spotify, and that's that's something that's
appealing not only to consumers but artists. Yeah, and it's actually,
in my opinion, discernible to a regular person, like you
can understand why this is a feature as opposed to
me just being like you see this number, it's higher,

(01:00:04):
this is why it's so it's better, you know, like, um,
it was like a Simpsons Simpson's character that's what it is.
It does give very sen Fransaska as they predict everything. Anyway,
I guess like we should do the music thing. We
like music. Music is cool. Um. I've been listening to

(01:00:27):
Good Grief by James Ivy, his EP that came out.
It is amazing if you love hyper pop or like
alternative rock music, really strong vocal performance from him. Love
love James Ivy will always be a fan at this point.
I have also been listening to the new single does

(01:00:48):
It Feel Real? By Kid Bloom, which is an artist
that I didn't think was gonna blow up as much
as he did. Did you have you heard of Kid
Bloom before the phone? You've probably heard like some of
his tracks before he had this like big album, Electric You.
It was like a single, um, different state, a different
state of mind. It was like this EP and it

(01:01:10):
was like I found it one time. It was so
low on streams, and then three years later it blew up,
so it was kind of like a weird delayed reaction.
But I think he really got into the streaming game
kind of early, yeah, with some of the stuff, so
I think it really helped him. And then also Silk
Sonic new single Baby loves Train amazing. Now they weren't

(01:01:34):
cool before because they're in Fortnite. Yeah, they're cool as
fuck now they're cool before, but now a now they're
at Fortnite level fame. This's just such a weird fucking cameo. Man, Like,
I think it's amazing. I don't want to be in Fortnite.
I'm fine with that. I just think it's weird that
let us know if you want us in Fortnite, it happen.

(01:01:55):
I personally feel like they went down a list like
they were like, get like the rock. Now he's gonna
be too much money. Silk Sonic, we got a lot
of money, just enough that they would probably do it. Yeah,
let's get him to do it. Ye hey um so yeah,
I mean yeah, I really don't see enough kids listening

(01:02:16):
to Silk so yeah, it just doesn't obviously enough Fortnite
isn't only for children, but like it's just very like
I don't think of those two brands together, but who knows.
I'm not, like, what can I see Anderson Pack with
a gun? You know? Like uh, but yeah, I like
him on the drum set more than using the guns anyway.
So I've been listening to. I was listening to a

(01:02:40):
lot of Eminem because of the Super Bowl kind of
back in my back in my youth. Um, I would
listen to a lot of Eminem a lot. But it
is hard now. I mean it's just hard because it's
just so no, it's just no the mixes and the
and the beat and the stuff, and his style is great,
it's just the further you go back, the more problematic

(01:03:02):
it was. And he has changed a lot in terms
of stuff, but there's just like stuff that just does
not fly anymore. And it's just kind of hard. But
like my my like favorite one I think is Relapse,
which is you know, if you guys don't know, Eminem
has historically had a very very very bad drug problem
and that funny enough, his celebrity sponsor is Elton John Yeah, um,

(01:03:26):
and yeah, so it's all about him dealing with, you know,
relapsing and having these drug issues and kind of like
I think it's a great thematic album because it kind
of shows like not not to be like this, but
like why he does drugs probably, and like where his
family was from and all this kind of stuff, and

(01:03:46):
like how he was dealing with the pressure of being
so famous, and it's really interesting with that story interwoven
in it. Uh and most people are gonna probably know
it because it has UH when uh we made you
on it, which is a really big and I'm song
back in the day. Um. But yeah, I was listening
to that. Are buddies over. I want to give a
shout out to our buddies over between Fourth and fifth

(01:04:10):
had a new single. They sent it to me. I
really liked it. Um. It's really funny because they I believe,
two of them, I don't know, maybe the whole band
works there now. They work in my old venue that
I used to do And one of the old one
of my Claire guys who went down there to fix something, goes,
there's a picture of you on the wall over here.
And I was like, at what And they're like, yeah,

(01:04:31):
there's like a picture of you there. And I was like, show,
I don't know what it is. They listen to the show.
They'll get back to me and they'll tell me what
the fucking picture that he claims there was a picture.
He goes, there's a picture of you there, and I went, well,
that's good. Um. And then for Collin's notable, Mimi fucking
stupid music. I've been listening to I'm Nobody's Hero, which

(01:04:56):
is from the Donkey Kong TV show No No, No,
hear Me out song slaps It's a minute. It's a
minute long, alright. It shows Donkey Kong's personal strife and
I mean, that's not a lie, so I've ben telling
that right now. But it has very relatable lyrics. I

(01:05:17):
mean literally, some of the comments on the video it
is veryble. I don't know what everybody wants me to be.
I only know just how to be me. Damn. It
really does say something. I'm telling you, dude, no, like
you're gonna laugh at me. Look, it's one fucking minute.
The video is one minute. It's called I'm Nobody's Here.

(01:05:40):
Look it up on YouTube. You will go and be like,
this is the stupidest visual ever. But you'll be like,
why does this song slap though? Just forget that song
by Gerrilla with a Todd Just move past that and
you'll be like, why does this song slap though? True?

(01:06:00):
That's true. Um, Well, that's the Music Show, The Variety Hour,
The Music Variety Hour. Um, see you next time. What
a variety guys, Thanks for listening to the biz Tape.
You're all think of these business and media podcast We

(01:06:20):
really do appreciate it. I always want to say that
at the end because I do appreciate the people who
consistently listen, and especially you if you've made it this
far into the actual audio, So thank you so much.
You can follow us on the biz tape pretty much everywhere,
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want to be in the end crowd. You're a cool kid,
as they say, and they being me, who is never
historically a cool kid. But you go to the historical
record under Joseph Wis, it says no, it says cool kids.
It's just scratch stout like it was there and then
something came to later and then in the annals of

(01:07:04):
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