Nev Schulman joins Bobby to talk about the wild journey from being catfished himself to turning Catfish into a cultural phenomenon. He looks back at the original documentary, the early days of the MTV series, fake stories people tried to get on the show, and why the franchise may not be done yet. Nev also reacts to Bobby’s own MySpace catfish story, shares how he ended up in luxury NYC real estate, and opens up about the bike accident that broke his neck and nearly left him paralyzed. Plus, they get into his time on Dancing with the Stars, why losing may have worked out better for him, guiding athletes with disabilities through marathons, and how his life has changed since becoming a dad.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Because our show had come out just a few weeks earlier,
so that when the head coach at Notre Dame gave
his press conference, he referenced the show. He was like,
Mandateo was catfished, And then he said, and if you
don't know what that means, I direct you to the
MTV show Catfish.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It was like, Hey, everybody, Bobby here, we're going to
talk to Neive Shulman, best known as the host of Catfish,
the show that ran forever on MTV became a cultural phenomenon,
but actually started from a documentary that I watched back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It was blown away.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
By and so we haven't talked about where that phrase
comes from, to be catfished. I was catfished a couple
of times in my life. We talked about that, so
we talked to Neve about that show. Also, he works
in luxury real estate now, so I'm like, how much
can I get for three million dollars?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We do stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's a marathon runner with I believe eleven marathons, but
he also helps people as he runs, which is a
crazy story. And he had this really bad accident in
twenty twenty four with his spinal cord that left him
nearly paralyzed, so he made an incredible return.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We talked about all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I didn't know what I was getting a little Neave Shulman,
because I've never met him before.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I just know that i'd been catfished.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I like the documentary Catfish and the show Catfish Ran Forever.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But I think you're gonna like this. Here he is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He also finished second on Dancing with the Stars, so
we talked about that. I finished first, but yeah, hey, Potato, Potato,
here he is.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Neve Shulman, Neve, good to see you, man. All right,
I appreciate you being here. I feel like we've got
a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I would like to go first, though, because I enjoy
when someone transitions a career in a big way, and
so I believe that is what you've done. Now. You're
doing real estate. Yeah, like high end luxury real estate.
Is it called real estate?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's high end luxury?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, okay, like real estate is what I buy, like
to live in a normal house.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But like you're doing like the real like the night.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I mean, you know, in New York City, it's
hard to find a home that doesn't qualify as sort
of high.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
End because the prices here are just you know, astronomical.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What does like a normal apartment cost? Well normal, Like
what got I get for three million dollars?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
A lot?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I mean, let's just do a number out. You
I don't know next compared to Nashville. You're wearing to
feel very you know, it could be ridiculous, but I mean,
depending on what neighborhood you want to be in, three
million dollars would get you.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
A beautiful apartment.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh what, I just do a number out?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I mean like it's just where
it's crazy is like the entry level. Like I'm helping
someone who's looking for a one bedroom in Williamsburg right now,
and you're not going to find anything decent for like
under eight hundred grand for a six to seven hundred
square foot one bedroom, which is wild.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's wild, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That's why. So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I don't know and know when you're gonna say parts
of the city, I'm not going to know them. So
I'm gonna sure I'm all educated on even what you say.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Williamsburg, Yeah, william frig Is, Brooklyn, you know, I mean
there's really no neighborhood that isn't desirable, but trybeca in
West Village. Those are typically the higher priced neighborhood's Upper
East Side. Obviously, I think it's one of, if not
the most expensive zip code in America. It's yeah, I
(03:28):
mean New York City real estate hasn't always will be
a great investment.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Did you enjoy stopping the constant filmmaking? That's how I
know you first was from the documentary back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I feel like even the Catfish Show was filmmaking
even though it was on Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Did you enjoy the break from that to stop from that?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What I loved about making Catfish was that it inherently
was a stop go style production schedule, Unlike a lot
of shows, where you know, you block out six or
eight or ten twelve weeks and you shoot everything. Our show,
we went to film as the stories came in, so
(04:13):
there was never a schedule more than maybe a.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Week or two in advance.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And oftentimes I get called and say, hey, we just
got a story cleared, the people can can meet it
with us in three days?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Be ready?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like you know, it was sometimes very last minute but
then I would get a week or two off waiting
for the next story. So it was the perfect balance
of you know, working and having little breaks where I
could do other things, other jobs.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Obviously spend a lot of time with my family.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So I missed that because you know, now I've I
don't have that sort of regular, irregular filming schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And you know, I need to be busy. I hate
kind of idle time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's wild that you didn't have because any shows I've done,
it's like twelve episode, sixteen episode, and you do it
and you get it done as fast as possible, right,
and you try to save the most money as possible.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah. No, we filmed just year round.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
There was just there was never an off or blacked
out you know, period of time throughout the year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was just you're on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Call and you've just decided, at least for now, you're
going to sell real estate or a you're going to
go back.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So my family's been in real estate for a long time.
My grandfather after he got out of the military and
spent a few years working for his dad in a
dress shop.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
My great grandfather started.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
A women's boutique that sold a lot of dresses, amongst
other things.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He knew that's not what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So my grandfather took a chance, raised some money, bought
some land I think up in Westchester, subdivided it, and
you know, started sort of doing real estate development and
it becomes very successful. My father then went into real estate,
worked with his dad, and then eventually became a broker
here in the city and has been for fifty years.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And so there's always and then I have two.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Aunts that are both brokers, So there's been this sort
of family tradition now of a family business of real estate.
My brother and I did not go into it, as
we went into entertainment. But when the show ended, my
dad said, why don't you get your license, come work
with me.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
See if you like it. I think it'd be great
at it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know the city so well, you've got so many
contacts clients.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Let's give it a try. So that's what I did.
So obviously the question thenether are you going to start
shooting that?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So yeah, so right away, when when I announced that
I was doing real estate, a bunch of people came
production companies and said, hey, we'd love to develop a
real estate show with you. To which I said, I'm
definitely interested in that. I want to get my feet
sort of ground a little bit, make some deals, let's
see how it goes. But I'm certainly interested in that.
And obviously, you know, there's there's a ton of successful
(07:01):
real estate shows already out there that maybe I could
end up landing on one day. But right now, I'm
just focused on building some clientele, making some deals, getting started,
learning as much as I can from my dad, and.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Seeing how it goes.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
How does one get you who we call and be like, yeah,
you need please?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, no, you can just email me.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean, I'm very yeah, I mean, you know, obviously
I appreciate people have respected my business email for real
estate as a place for you know, actual business. But yeah,
I know I'm available, I'm reachable.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's pretty cool to hit you up.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I just think that would be pretty cool if they
were a fan of the many things that you've done. Yeah,
I feel like that would be if I were looking
for someone and I would move into the city, I
would try to find Neve from Catfish or Dancing with
the Stars or whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
No, Yeah, if you're coming to New York City and
you're looking to buy an apartment.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I can do rentals too, but the rental market's just
very devastatingly difficult to navigate. Not that I can't, but
I'm not. I don't specialize in rentals, which I think
you almost have to because they moved so quick and
the prices are so high right now, that like that
you have to be full on focused on that and
(08:19):
that that I you know, that's not my specialty.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What's like the high end that you've sold.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We just closed on a you know, five and a
half million dollar apartment on the Upper east Side.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That's pretty legit home. When you finally close and signed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
How long because I've bought houses to where you know,
the check goes over, you got to you gotta send
that stuff wire.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
How long until your cut gets wired to you?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Jeez, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I don't even know yet because it hasn't happened. I'm
still waiting for my first payout.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's a good one, Yeah, be a good one.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Uh So, okay, I want to talk about that. Secondly,
the show was on for ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Whenever it was over.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Was that a bit of a you had to you
had to decide what you wanted to do. Was there
any thought of doing a different show?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I mean it it Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think it aired in twenty started in twenty twelve,
and I think was actually still on in twenty twenty
four years.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It was twelve years and when it. You know, for
all of their.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Shortcomings, I love MTV, but they're part of such a big,
enormous company, and you know, the overlords, and then there
was the whole sky Dance thing, and so it took
a long time for them to finally officially say, Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We're not going to keep ordering the show.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So there was a lot of waiting, which was weird
and awkward, during which time I got my license because
I wasn't sure what was going to happen for real estate,
and I started talking to and thinking about and developing
other shows because I'd love to stay in television. I
love making content and being part of a team and
a production. So now that we officially have the Catfish
(10:03):
Ip back from MTV, we're very actively talking to a
bunch of people who really want to kind of reboot
the Catfish franchise, but in a much broader, more interesting way.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Than just one sort of traditional television show.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because I think there's a lot of opportunities that we've
been wanting to do for a long time, but MTV
wanted to just sort of keep it very pure, which
was fine, that was their choice, but there's a lot
of other exciting stuff that we want to do with it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
When you guys put out the documentary changed my world.
My mind was blown, couldn't believe it, also really believed.
It also got catfished a couple times after it just
didn't have a name for it, right. I think it's
just very common for that to happen to dudes, and
mine was kind of give you my story real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Please.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's still embarrassing to relive this.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I mean, if I started crying, was embarrassed with me.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, but I feel like you had control of yours,
like you were proud and proud it's not the word,
but because you could showcase it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, I got a lot of praise and credit, so
it made the experience sort of overwhelmingly positive. Whereas if
I'd gone through it by myself, I'm sure I would
have felt yeah, a lot different.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Wait, so what happened to you?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So this guest jeans model hits me up?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Okay, which is probably how a lot of those stories
start where it And I was in my twenties and look,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm no male model and she hits me up and
this is my.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Space, right Sam.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and she's like, hey, and I was doing radio.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Guest Jeans model, that's I can already picture it. I'm
in I'm there. She would have had me too.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, And she was like, I'd listened to your show
when I'm in town. I wasn't syndicated yet, so it
was only in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
She's like, I'm flying in. I'd love to meet you.
And I'm single.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
What do you have to lose and lonely?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah? Perfect mix.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And so we're talking back and forth, sending a lot
of messages and I remember saying to her, hey, we
should get on on webcam.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
At the time, it was external.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Remember, she was like, no problem because I told my
friends I got a guest Jean's model.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That's proud of it. Yeah, oh yeah, look at her.
And they were like dude. I was like, no, trust me.
I think she knows I'm a big deal. I wasn't
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
She was a fan, yeah, massive, And so we got
on webcam and I'm on webcam and for some reason,
her camera was broken, like I could still hear her,
but her camera was broken.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And which at the time I believe it was believable
because it was clunky. Yeah, there were software issues like
us pic I remember, sometimes they didn't work.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And so she's like, I'm coming to town like in
three days, I'll meet you at the mall, and I
was like, great, let's meet at the food court. I
went and I sat at the food court for like
ninety minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
She never showed up.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So I message her get back to my computer because
there was no MySpace.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
On the phone.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Oh yeah, that's right, there was no app.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So I had to go back home and oh my
flight was delayed. So it was one excuse after another.
So I'm now talking about it on my show. Had
in exchanged like phone numbers, No, not yet, And so
I'm talking about it on my show and nobody believes
me that she's real, and I just am in disbelief
that they don't believe that this guest Jean's model from
(13:27):
Los Angeles is real flying in to talk to me,
and so they're like, get her on the on the air,
and so we got her she she came all in
with us who she come and she was hilarious, sounded
every bit the dream guest Jeans Sule And so she
came on and they were like, she's either drunk or
(13:48):
it's like something's off. And my feeling was starting to
get hurt that they thought I couldn't get her like
I started taking personal and so then I didn't hear
from her again for a while. And then a news
story hit like three months later, and somebody emailed it
into me.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
There was this dude who was.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Calling and connecting with men around Austin saying he was
that guest sheenes model from a hotel room, small guy,
so he could do his voice like a female, and
he had gotten tons of money out of all these men.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And it was like a so you were one of
the many victims, but he didn't ask you for money.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Never got there. Might have given him some, sure, but
it was a dude.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It was a dude, yeah, And it made the news
and he was arrested because he had tricked a bunch
of dudes into money.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Did you find in all of the years of.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The show that most of the catfishing was people being
selfish doing it? For their own entertainment or loneliness, or
trying to get money out of people.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I mean, look, obviously, in the sort of almost three
hundred episodes that we did, it was a pretty interesting
mix of motives. I would say, if I had to guess,
most of the people who were catfishing for money would
(15:06):
not have agreed to come on the show because they were,
you know, sort of scamming people. For the most part,
of the people who would agree to come on the show
are the ones who did genuinely create the profile to communicate,
make friends, explore some part of their personality or sexuality
or identity, and then kind of accidentally stumbled into the relationship,
(15:29):
had real feelings.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
And didn't know kind of how to handle it.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But again that's you know, through the microscope of the show.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's more mostly what we saw.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, I think for every episode of the show, I'm
sure there's hundreds of people are who got catfish by
someone who just was trying to get money out of them.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We did have a couple episodes like that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We even shockingly got like a Nigerian prince scammer to
agree to Yeah, I don't think he face timed with us,
but he got on the phone or maybe he face timed.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, he did FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And admit that like he you know, took the money
from this poor guy who was so sweet because he
you know, he lives in he's poor, he lives somewhere
in Africa, and he's got a girlfriend that he wants
to propose to and he was trying to save some
enough money for a ring. And so the guy, the
sweet guy who got catfished, said, Hey, I had a
(16:31):
ring that I had bought for you that I'll.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Send that you can use to I mean, like kind
of amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Story because he felt bad for the guy.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Wow, yeah, still had the empathy sympathy totally to give
the guy that was scamming him a ring to give
to his girl.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
If that were today, they had created like a GoFundMe
for that dude and he'd made like a million bugs.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah maybe for the there probably was go fund me then, but.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, wow, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, the crazy thing is that guy had to remain
anonymous ish because it is illegal in that country.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They have it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's a huge issue for a lot of those countries
and they're trying to crack down on it. So it
was kind of a big risk for him to even
come on the show and admit it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How did you get some of the folks to even
come on? Was there a lot of coaxing with some
of them?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, look, that wasn't my job really. I obviously
did interact with them, and at any point they could
have decided to change their mind and not meet up
with us. But I think what made the show unique
and successful for as long as it was is that
we were really a platform, a safe, you know, empathetic,
(17:51):
objective platform for people to hash it out, come clean,
reveal themselves or you know, tell tell their secrets, admit
to their wrongdoings, and not get excoriated and made fun of,
but sort of be heard and listened to. And I
think for that reason people felt comfortable and sort of
(18:14):
drawn to the show.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Was there ever an instance where the catfish and the
person they were tricking ever, actually did fall in love.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
After Yeah, we had a few minor successes where they
kind of agreed to go on some dates. But our
one real true like love story was we had an
episode where a girl was talking to this guy. They
had been speaking for a while, they were really into
each other, and then we went to meet him, and
(18:44):
turns out he had presented himself as a white guy
and he was actually black, and you know, just a
sort of very nice looking, average, sort of nerdy black
guy who I don't think it really lied about that
much other than his appearance, and the girl didn't really care.
(19:05):
I guess she was still attracted to him, and they
had a kid, and as far as I know, they're
married and still together, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's probably because he didn't lie about everything, right, right,
I mean, I'm sure he left out things about his
life because.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It didn't fit with the sort of version he.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Had presented, But that was actually there was a whole
conversation that didn't make the episode that I was kind
of bummed about because the black guy he did not
identify with or associate with his sort of black culture.
He felt almost like he was sort of born into
the wrong body, which was a really interesting conversation with
(19:47):
his family, like I think his mom and his sister,
who were kind of I think a little hurt that
they felt like what's wrong with black culture? What's wrong
with our family? Like why don't you feel this is
the right place for you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
And it was very interesting dynamic to kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Uh, sort out but needless stay that worked out.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
When you started doing the documentary the original Catfish, at
what point in the story did you think we have
to document this.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, it was always my really my brother and
his friend Henry's thing. I was living this funny interaction
with this family in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
They were sending me these paintings.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I was on the phone with the sister who was
flirting with me, and so I was getting friend requests
from all their cousins and babysitter and you know, neighbor.
It was just like this little soap opera that I
was sort of had a front row seat to. And
you know, once in a while I would turn to
my brother and I'd say, Hey, you wouldn't believe this
crazy email, or look at this package I just got,
(20:59):
or whatever it was. And so he had the intuition
just to sort of start recording those moments. And they
were just a few little moments here and there over
the course of about eight months. And then there was
a moment when we were in Colorado filming a dance
festival that I discovered a lie they told me and
(21:20):
That's when my brother and Henry were like, oh this
could this just got really interesting. Let's focus on this
and sort of see where it takes us. And so
for the next four days they filmed us going to Michigan,
meeting the family, revealing and sort of peeling back the
layers of the truth, and then subsequently they edited it,
(21:41):
you know, and there was a lot of digging that
went on after, because all of the emails and texts
that I had never really thought would mount to anything
were now like the sort of script for this incredible
story that they had to go back and figure out
how to tell. So they really did all that and
figured it out, and I was just sort of there,
(22:03):
kind of for the ride.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Was your pride herd at all?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There were definitely moments that I was embarrassed and you know,
felt dumb because after I found out the truth, and
you know, you go back and you look at all
of these interactions and all the things that they told me,
and it seems.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So obvious, like how could I have believed this?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, And in that in those first moments, you
don't really you forget that there was this very slow, calculated,
sort of drip of information and so one drop out
a time, it doesn't seem like that crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
But then obviously, you know when when you see.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
A bucket overflowing and you're like, oh my god, how
could I have been so foolish?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But no, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think that, you know, even though a lot of
people who have seen the show in more recent years
don't even know that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I was catfish.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That's what gave me the sort of street cred initially
when the show started to be like, hey, I this
happened to me. I know how you feel. You don't
have to be super like, you don't have to feel dumb,
you don't have to feel naive for this. You don't
or you don't have to be dumb for this to
happen to you. And I think that's what helped people
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kind of come on the show and not feel like
they were going to be made fun of.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
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and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Did you feel the moment in culture when that documentary
like reached a full resonation with folks.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, yeah, I mean Sundance was amazing, but that's
a very.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Small yeah, Like I don't see Sun Dance.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, I'd never been before or after, so and I
didn't even realize it was sort of a big deal
in the film world.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I think, you know the doc.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And it's was successful obviously in terms of documentaries, indie documentaries,
but it really wasn't until the first season of the show.
When it premiered, it was on at eleven, so it
was kind of this little late night unknown show. But
the first few episodes did really well, and then the
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Mantiteo story happened, which was insane.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Insane, and the timing was insane.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It was insane.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, yeah, because our show had come out just a
few weeks earlier, so that when the head coach at
Notre Dame gave his press conference, he referenced the show.
He was like, Mandateo was catfished, and then he said,
and if you don't know what that means, I direct
you to the MTV show Catfish. It was like the
biggest news story in the country. And he was just like,
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it was like our show at the center of the headline.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But I so that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And then a few weeks later SNL spoofed the show
and Adam Levine played me and that was.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like, oh, that had to be so wild.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So that those like three weeks where all that was
happening was just, you know, an experience I'll never have again.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean, like you, Yeah, that's a lot at once.
That's like the oddly perfect timing for all that time.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, it was a perfect storm.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I have a friend who went on Jerry Springer and
he lied about the circumstances. He went under right, he
was just doing it, and they believed him. Did you
ever find anybody was lying to you?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We had We had a couple, yeah, we that I
know of.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
We we had two episodes that we discovered while we
were filming that that they were lying. One was a
story of these two girls who had been in love
but lived on opposite coasts and knew that they were real,
but couldn't afford to make the trip. So they had said, hey,
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we've been talking for years, but I think I'm getting catfished.
So that we would fly one to the other and
we discovered it and realized this is actually kind of
like charming. Let's just do it and like go with it.
So that was cute, and then the other was sort
of the opposite. We found out that this girl had,
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for whatever reason, wanted.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
To like just get on the show. I guess.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So she had made up this whole story that she
had been getting catfished, and she convinced these people to
sort of be the bad guys. But then when we
went to confront them or you know, meet them for
the first time, she like really laid into them and
they started to like regret, like they don't like, wait,
I didn't want to come on TV to let you
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make me look like a total jerk, and so they
they like act started acting weird and I could just
tell something was off, and eventually they admitted it. They
were like, yeah, you know, she reached out to us
to see if we get on the show, but we
didn't think she was going to like make us look
so terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, what had when you met your wife? I'm assuming
this is after yes you are yeah, yeah, and that's
an interesting conversation with somebody going on a date with right.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, so she had seen the documentary, and I later
learned that after she had watched the doc she was
with a friend they had I think actually the friend
had said like, oh, he's so cute, like, let's let's
find him on because you know, at the end of
the documentary it says like, I'm still on Facebook. So
they had found me, and I guess sent me a
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message that I never saw, you know. But then years
later I ended up going to her office. She worked
at an ad agency and I had friends who worked there,
and so wed I had been there, she had seen
me there. I didn't know her at the time, and
then when we my on Instagram kind of strangely through
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her then boyfriend who was a photographer, and I started
following her. Then I saw she followed me, and so
I DMed and asked her out, and then she said, oh,
pick me up at my job. And I immediately was like,
oh my god, that's they I didn't tip into.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
So I asked my friend, Hey, what do you know
about this girl Laura, And he's like, oh, she's a
hard worker. So I was like, all right, great, So
I picked her.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Up that night and real person, yeah, yeah, right, I
confirmed that she was exactly how old your oldest child,
my daughter's nine.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Did she ask questions about it yet? Not really?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You know, it's funny, she I should show her the
doc because she's now the age.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I think she's the age.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Now that Abby, the girl who I was initially talking to,
was when I started talking to her. So I think
it'd be really fun for her to see it. That's
a great idea. I'm going to watch it with her.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh your idea. I just asked that.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Well, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We just had a baby, first baby. She's ten weeks old.
And now I'm thinking, like, when do I like show
her stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Right, like your stuff?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No, just stuff like I wrote kids book, and I
think she's still too young to even hear the kids book.
But now my mind is like, at what point do
I start introducing these things. I have to beat her
to them before they get to her.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Sure, but yeah, I mean you don't have to worry
about anything getting to her.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, nothing bad right now. I mean I've even said it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Had done a bunch of stupid stuff, but nothing like
illegal or joicy. But it's like, you know, eventually I'm
gonna have to go like, oh that's true, here's me
saying this, here's me dancing on TV that type stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, the biggest concern I had was when my daughter
was born, I still had a terrible tramp stamp tattoo
that I had gotten when I was seventeen, just.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Awful, like a tribal just un worse my lower.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And as the second she was born, I was like,
I cannot have my child know me with this tattoo.
So I had it removed and maybe she'll eventually one
day see a photo it, or actually if I show
or the documentary, she'll see it for that second. But
that was the best decision I ever made for a
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lot of reasons. But yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I never I hadn't really thought about that other
than the tattoo. But I'm, you know, for the most part,
pretty proud. The funny thing about the kids is, you know,
they're with me all the time. People come up to
me all the time and say hey and want to
take pictures, and so whenever someone comes over and like
is unsure or a little nervous, now my kids are
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just like, yeah, yeah, he's catfish like like they just
like help them, you know, because they could just tell
when someone wants to come talk to me or doesn't
know what to say.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, that is pretty great being a dad. Pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's what's the best part about it.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I mean it's it's the toughest.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Okay, that's not really the right way to say that.
It's it's the most active and encouraging sort of form
of self help that I think you can get.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What do you mean self help?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I have many things about myself that I'd like
to improve. But you know, when you're either single or
in a relationship, there's a you know, you get a
lot of space to kind of be yourself be you know,
there's there's there's a wiggle room you can you can
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avoid things, you can kind of ignore stuff. But when
you've kids, you know, at after a certain age, they
just reflect everything.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Nothing gets by them.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So every irrit every moment of irritability or short temper
or I rolls or you know, picking your nose, like
they're constantly observing you and reacting to that totally un filtered.
So you are constantly given feedback, and a lot of
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it is negative. I mean, you know, just just by
the nature of the fact that like you're doing something
that your kid is reflecting on you, and you're like,
oh my god, I don't want to do that. I
don't want to say that, Like I should act better.
So it's just a really aggressive form of like self improvement.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I've never heard it said like that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That makes a lot of sense though, And it's tough,
you know, because there's just there's some things about myself
that like I don't want to work on every day
all the time when I from when I the second
I wake up at six am, to have to like
be nice and.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Accommodating and understanding and patient.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But like you have to because if you're not, your
kids are gonna feel it. They're gonna get upset, they're
going to get impatient. They're gonna then act that way
towards you, which is gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Be like it's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, it's exhaust it's hard. But if you can you
can create a positive motion or forward positive energy, it
then comes back like it's it's you know, it's you
get exactly what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Before we started the podcast, you didn't want to hit
your microphone and you did this like pick yourself up
from the chair, pretty athletic maneuver. And I thought, I
was like, wow, pretty strong guy. But you've done eleven marathons.
I think so, yeah, am I short if I'm short? No?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No, no, I think that I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's what I read.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know you're a runner.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I don't keep my metal. You do not like sentimental
about it?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh, I would be if I had one, I'd hang
in on my rearview mirror. It would never leave. Yeah,
I'd get a replica on my wife's review mirror. I'd
be everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But no, no, you've done eleven. Uh and I read
you were a guide runner. That's yeah, Now what's a
guide runner?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So there are a.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Lot of people athletes with disabilities, and there are a
number of organizations, but the one that I'm most involved
with is called Achilles, and they provide guides for any
athlete with any kind of disability to swim, cycle, or run.
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So as a runner, a few years ago, I volunteered
to be a guide for the marathon. So they pair
you with an athlete who needs a guide. Then it
could be a wheelchair, it could be an amputee, it
could be someone with vision impairment, and you just are
there with them, either to guide them quite literally, or
to just support them or you know, the marathon is
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very busy, it's hard to get to the water station,
you know, just to help them.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I've run with autistic runners. Everyone's different.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But now since I started doing that, there have been
very few races, if any, that I have participated in
not as a guide, because I just found that it
was exponentially more reward.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it so emotional when you finish?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I mean for you, yes, for sure. You know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I've run a number of marathons quickly and it's been great.
But then last year in November, I ran the next
to marathon with a veteran who lost both legs and
that took like six and a half hours and was
you know, you would say, oh, it must have been
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like a two x sort of experience, but it was
one hundred x because going slower just allows for so
much absorption of the energy of the crowd. Because when
you're running, you know, you're you're you're running, you don't
really have time to engage. But when you stop because
he needs to stop, or you're walking because he needs
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to walk, like everybody just you make so much connection
with the people clapping and cheering and every runner who
passes you because a lot of them do or like
patting you on the back and like giving you thumbs up,
and it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Did you run before your accident? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I started running in twenty fifteen, ok, And I just
immediately loved it. And so I've run the marathon or
a marathon pretty much every year since, or in some
cases maybe more than one. And then a few years
ago or four years ago, I started guiding. And then
two years ago I had my bicycle accident.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
That was only two years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, not even it was two years this August.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Wait, so you did the whole move here after the accident,
because they, if I remember correctly, they thought you were
going to be pair or you were a paralyzed for it.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I hadn't. No, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wasn't, But didn't they think they were there?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
The type of neck fracture that I had is nearly
always results in some paralysis.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's what I remember reading, right.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
So it was just by some you know, stroke of
luck that it didn't. I mean, I have some nerve damage,
but you know I was able to make.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
A full recovery.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Were on a bicycle.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I was on a bicycle here in town. No, out
in Long Island, Okay, So what what what were you doing?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Nothing that interesting? I was just actually on my way
to pick up my son from summer camp. And I
don't remember exactly. I remember I was looking around. I
had to merge because there's no bike lanes out there,
which is something that I'm sort of trying to help improve.
And I merged into from the shoulder into the lane
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of traffic. And after you know, I'd looked over my
left shoulder, and somehow when I looked back in front
of me, traffic had come to a stop in front
of me in a spot that rarely that happens. And
so I just rear ended right into the back of
this like work truck, and.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
This is the Bobby Cast. What do you remember next?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Next, I remember like this, the guy like laying on
the ground and like this, the amts like scissors, like
cutting my shirt open.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It must have been five or ten minutes. I don't
know how quickly the ambulance got there. But it was
weird because I immediately said, and I think this is
like the dad instinct. I immediately thought, like, I'm my
kid is waiting. Call my wife please so that she knows.
And I started to give my wife's phone number, and
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the EMT was like, you already told us, So I had,
somehow in my unconscious state already I guess told them once.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't know, unconsciously you were a good dad making
sure your kid wasn't left at school all day.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Wow, so two years ago, are you good?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The crazy thing is so.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
So that was August of twenty twenty four and then,
and I remember I was I had I had run
as a guide with my with my now friend who's blind,
I think twice, and we were supposed to run it
together that November, and I you know, I spoke to
him a few days later and I said, like, Francesco,
you know I just broke my neck. You better find
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another guide. And he said we. He said, like, look,
there's time. Let's see how you're feeling. Like I'm not
not gonna let you off the hook that easily, because
you know, if I can run on a marathon blind,
you should be able to run one, you know, after
this accident.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So it seemed ridiculous, but it put the.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Thought in my head that like, well, maybe I know
it's only all it's August, September, October, November, like like
I think it was ten or something weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I was like maybe it was twelve weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I was like, do you think because I was in
good shape, I was training aggressively for a race, so
I was like, well, maybe once I get this neck
brace off in six weeks, like I can do it.
And so six weeks later, the doctor cleared me, saying,
just like, your neck is healed, so go for a
run and see how it feels. So I went for
like a mile jog and it felt okay. So the
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next like run, I did a little bit longer, and
I was like, I think I can do this, and
so I ended up running the marathon with him that November.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Do you think him saying that really led to you
pushing yourself and getting healthier faster?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I mean because.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
If I hadn't had the marathon to train to get
back in shape for and a bib to run it,
like who knows how long I would have waited to
sort of start running again. So it was one hundred
percent motivating factor. And now that friend Francesca and I
are actually training to do a half iron Man in September,
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so I'm training for that. Now we're making a really
cool documentary about that.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
How do you I've done a couple of traps, like
a tripl How do you not the same? I'm not
I'm just saying I understand, like you process, how do
you swim?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Swimming is just your you're tethered.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You have a strap that connects you by through you know,
by your thigh and uh, you just he just feels
the distance and kind of stays.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Hit each other.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Have you trained because you're you're you know, the rope
is long enough that as long as you're not doing
any kind of crazy, you know, kicking or whatever. We've
we've done one swim, but it was cold. It's finally
warmed up because it's hard to train in a pool
when you're like, there's not a lot of lanes that
can accommodate that. So now that the weather's warmed up,
we're going to do some some open water swims.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
What about the cycling part.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That's a tandem bike, so got it right, So I
just go in front and he sits behind. That's easier
than that rope, and the running is also pretty easy.
We've done that a bunch, so really the the trickiest
part is the swim.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
So a half iron Man is.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It's a it's a twenty two hundred meter swims like
one point two miles out a mile or something, and
then a fifty mile bike to fifty four or fifty
five mile ride and then a half marathon. Yeah, I mean,
I've never I've only done one sprint triathlon before I
even started running.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And the swim took me that like that. I'm embarrassed.
I think the swim took me like thirty or forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The training is difficult because you've got to swim, You've
got to train with a different you have to train
a day where you swim and then get on a bike.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I know I still haven't done like a like a
swim to a cycle.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
The only real panic attack I've ever had is the
first time that I did a triathlon and we're an
open water and I like an idiot because I didn't
know how to train. I swim in a pool looking
at the black line the whole time. Now I'm an
open water and they're saying, go, there's no black line.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Well you know what they do have?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
They have these a R or a yeah AR goggles,
So there's a little screen inside.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
It showed it like holds like a fake line.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, so you you set it to where you want
to go, and then the second you start swimming, it
shows you like a degree, like crazy wild, and then
it shows you your your heart rate and it shows
you like your distance.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I had people swimming over the top of me because
I was so freaked out. You were going like, well
at first, I was like, oh my god, I can't
I don't know where to go.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So then I started trunch holding my head up, which
is not good. And then people were kicking me, swimming
over the top of me. And then I started swimming
to the side and the boat adds a lot of distance,
and the boat came out to me and they were like,
are you okay? And I was like, I don't know.
I had to regather my It's the only real life
panic attack it and I finished. But that was a
moment for me where I was like, I don't know
if I'm gonna be able to do this. Yeah, and
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I feel like I can do anything. And that was
one of those moments where I was I don't know
if I'm going to be able to do this. I
should have just trained and not open water. I don't
in open water.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
It's tough. Yeah, I also didn't know. Let's talk about
Dancing with the Stars first.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Okay, great, really good? Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
You know you're really good.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Too, though, right, Yeah, I mean yes, I I think
I have.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
A pretty high level of of sort of danceability.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Who's your partner, Jenna? Okay, it's great, you did it too. Yeah,
you're great.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
You're very good too.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I won, but I wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah, but you won.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, but I wasn't good. There's a difference, I know.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
But how could you have won if you're not good?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Man of the people? You were good? I was not good.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I gotta go back and want to I encourage you
not to. Actually, who was your partner, Sharna? Oh right, yeah,
she was off probably by the time you. She did
one season after we won. Okay, but Jenna is so
so she's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Uh I thought you. I thought. I don't know. If
I were you, i'd have been really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Actually quite the opposite.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I love that I didn't win.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Why because who won? By the way, Uh, I'm just blanking.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Do you remember who?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Do you remember Caitlyn Bristow? Sorry, I just had I
just had a brain frid in Nashville. Oh my god,
seven houses down not anymore, No New York, now that's right. Yes, anyway,
Caitlyn won trained dancer. Yes, yeah, so she I think
she had a little bit of an advantage to that
in that regard. Also, I don't want to say that
it's I don't know. I just think like being the girl,
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I think there's a slight advantage as a non professional
because the male does so much guiding in dancing.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
So obviously Jenna was guiding me essentially.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Too, But like I think, you know, as a as
an untrained ballroom dancer, I think being the one that's
led is inherently a little bit easier. But no, I'm
not trying to not give Caitlyn her flowers. She's fantastic.
The reason that I'm happy she won is because it
makes no difference in terms of like my future, you know,
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like there was nothing to gain from winning other than
I guess being invited on the tour, which I was
too busy.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I have my kids.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
We were okay, right, And I'm not like that upset
about that. And what I love is that people come
up to me now all the time and say, like
you yeah, so much.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
It's so much more fun to have people be like
you got robbed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
You know, I thought both of you, because no one
would come up to being like, congrats on winning the
Mirror Ball.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I think I think they would because I get it
a lot. I mean, but I get.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
All the same yeah, congratulations and appreciation, but I also
get like the fun bonus of like you got robbed.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
It was the most skilled finale. There were only a
couple that I've seen that were so skilled at the
end whenever it was you really you and Kaitlyn both
and I really like Caitlin and she talked about it
like she was a dancer her whole life and then
she didn't get to dance. And but I thought, and
that was a weird season because you give COVID oh
so weird, Like there's no for me part of the
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the adrenaline because there were people, and it was just
because I've.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Gone to filmings since then, and I've been in the
ballroom with the audience and the and and watching the
dances with the supporting ensemble.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
I'm just like, Wow, it's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But I have some some cool sort of I don't
know if it's like embargoed, but like, you know how
they're doing the new show Dancing with Stars for the
new pro pro so I was invited as an alumni.
I was invited as one of very few alumni to
participate in an episode of that show.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's awesome because you're good.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know who didn't get invited as an alumni winner, Oh,
I would have made them worse anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So so I love dancing.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I love that show.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I'm so excited for this new series and it's it's
every time I've now been a part of that, I'm like, God,
I wish I had pursued dancing, you know, because I
dance a little bit in middle school, very you know,
on you know, amateur style.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
And I kind of just I wish I had gotten
more into it.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
It's such a great experience that show. Oh my god.
And again I have no background at all, and I
barely have a background now after doing the show. But
it's the people, like ninety percent of them are awesome,
like awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
We should start a post show live like reaction chat
for this coming season for watching them. Yeah, we should
get as many former competitors contestants together and do like
some sort of live like stream for people to watch
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and talk like we're.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Going to I think they'd like watching you talk about it.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
What do you mean why would you already have an
audience people that like watching you.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Talk, yes, not talk about dance.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Oh well, it just a different.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Hit the if you remember, hit YouTube later and you'll
be like, oh, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Anyway, I'm if anybody ever wants to do any kind
of dance content or or anything with me, I'm I'm.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Ready to go. Hit me up dies your neck? Did it?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Was?
Speaker 3 (49:12):
That was before the accident, right.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
My neck was a yeah? Yeah, Dancing the Stars was
before Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I just I'm still amazed by the move that you
did two years after a neck surgery where you pulled.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yourself up out of the chair. Just then I hit
the microphone. But you're healthy.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, no, my neck healed and it also kind of
forced me to rehabilitate not just my neck, but like
kind of start start from scratch and like get back
in shape in a much healthier.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Way.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
But yeah, do you have one of those cool realtor websites?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
No? I guess I should.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I I don't know. Sometimes it's like, who you should
check out this? Real estate person.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
They're like, I'm Dominique, and it's like.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, no, I don't have that.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I've made some fun videos to sort of you know,
let people know I'm working in real estate now.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
But again, I'm I'm coming into it very humbly.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I think a lot of real estate brokers are really
selling themselves and for better or worse, really kind of
want to be the star of their business.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
I just want to learn. I just want to I
just want to know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And get good at it and see if I can
actually you know, help people and enjoy it. So, you know,
maybe again once once. It's only been like, you know,
six months that I've been doing this, so I'm not
ready to kind of like get out there and put
my face on. You know, I'm not like doing.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
The bus bust up posters yet, but but maybe so
just do one.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Just do one?
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Ya, that's true, Okay, I can do it now.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Final thing is, are you saying that there will be
another incarnation of Catfish in some way?
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I certainly hope.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
So, I mean, we have a lot of ideas for
how to kind of take the brand, the Catfish idea
of deception, and you know, relationships and and make hopefully
a bunch of different types of shows.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
My final final question, how did the term catfish ever
even come to be?
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, so in the dock, if you remember, and I
don't want to spoil too much, but the husband of
the woman we met, he told us this great story
about fishermen who, you know, kind of back in the
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early days of fishing, when they would travel from I guess,
Alaska to China catching cod along the way. They had
these big ships with these vats in the hall, and
they would store all the fish alive in these vats
because you know, it was a weeks and weeks journey,
and so they didn't have ice they could use for
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that long, so they would just keep them alive. And
over time in these small vats, the fish would stop swimming,
their muscle would deteriorate, and by the time they got
where they were going, like I guess, they were less delicious,
they were smaller whatever. So someone had the idea of
putting some catfish in with the cod to chase them
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and keep them moving, and he equated his wife to
those catfish. There are people in life that kind of
nit at our fins and keep things interesting. And we
thought it was such a beautiful analogy for without him
even knowing how insanely accurate he was being. It was
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never meant in our minds to kind of indicate what
I think it's become, which is like a sort of
bottom feeder like Trickster. It was just this sort of
beautiful concept of, Wow, there are people who think outside
the box and kind of push the boundaries, and yeah,
maybe they break rules, but they're also what makes life
such a thrill and sort of so.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Exciting, And that's why we called it that.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Did you ever talk to do you.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Have to talk to people that run the movie documentary?
Speaker 4 (53:12):
I haven't and now in a long time, but you're good.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
I actually I think about them all the time and
would love to be in touch. I'm very reachable, And
I think it was made clear at one point as
the success of the show and everything was growing that
like they wanted to not be a part of that anymore.
Because I'd actually invited Angela the Woman to be a
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part of the show when we initially started.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
It, and she said, no, thanks, but I would love
to hear how she's doing.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And I'd really love to know how Abby the Girl
who at the time was part of the whole thing,
is doing now because she's probably twenty something.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I mean, yeah, Nive, I really appreciate the time. This, yeah,
this is this has been awesome. Thanks so much. And
if we're buying a place up here, I'm gonna sit
you up.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Please do if anyone is looking for if anyone than
I can help you find your next home.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Because our show had come out just a few weeks earlier,
so that when the head coach at Notre Dame gave
his press conference, he referenced the show. He was like,
Mandateo was catfished, And then he said, and if you
don't know what that means, I direct you to the
MTV show Catfish.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
It was like, Hey, everybody, Bobby here, we're going to
talk to Neive Shulman, best known as the host of Catfish,
the show that ran forever on MTV became a cultural phenomenon,
but actually started from a documentary that I watched back
in the day.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It was blown away.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
By and so we haven't talked about where that phrase
comes from, to be catfished. I was catfished a couple
of times in my life. We talked about that, so
we talked to Neve about that show. Also, he works
in luxury real estate now, so I'm like, how much
can I get for three million dollars?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We do stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's a marathon runner with I believe eleven marathons, but
he also helps people as he runs, which is a
crazy story. And he had this really bad accident in
twenty twenty four with his spinal cord that left him
nearly paralyzed, so he made an incredible return.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
We talked about all of this.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I didn't know what I was getting a little Neave Shulman,
because I've never met him before.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I just know that i'd been catfished.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I like the documentary Catfish and the show Catfish Ran Forever.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But I think you're gonna like this. Here he is.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He also finished second on Dancing with the Stars, so
we talked about that. I finished first, but yeah, hey, Potato, Potato,
here he is.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Neve Shulman, Neve, good to see you, man. All right,
I appreciate you being here. I feel like we've got
a lot of stuff to talk about.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I would like to go first, though, because I enjoy
when someone transitions a career in a big way, and
so I believe that is what you've done. Now. You're
doing real estate. Yeah, like high end luxury real estate.
Is it called real estate?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's high end luxury?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, okay, like real estate is what I buy, like
to live in a normal house.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But like you're doing like the real like the night.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Well, I mean, you know, in New York City, it's
hard to find a home that doesn't qualify as sort
of high.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
End because the prices here are just you know, astronomical.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
What does like a normal apartment cost? Well normal, Like
what got I get for three million dollars?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
A lot?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I mean, let's just do a number out. You
I don't know next compared to Nashville. You're wearing to
feel very you know, it could be ridiculous, but I mean,
depending on what neighborhood you want to be in, three
million dollars would get you.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
A beautiful apartment.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Oh what, I just do a number out?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I mean like it's just where
it's crazy is like the entry level. Like I'm helping
someone who's looking for a one bedroom in Williamsburg right now,
and you're not going to find anything decent for like
under eight hundred grand for a six to seven hundred
square foot one bedroom, which is wild.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's wild, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
That's why. So what do you do?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I don't know and know when you're gonna say parts
of the city, I'm not going to know them. So
I'm gonna sure I'm all educated on even what you say.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Williamsburg, Yeah, william frig Is, Brooklyn, you know, I mean
there's really no neighborhood that isn't desirable, but trybeca in
West Village. Those are typically the higher priced neighborhood's Upper
East Side. Obviously, I think it's one of, if not
the most expensive zip code in America. It's yeah, I
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mean New York City real estate hasn't always will be
a great investment.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Did you enjoy stopping the constant filmmaking? That's how I
know you first was from the documentary back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And I feel like even the Catfish Show was filmmaking
even though it was on Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Did you enjoy the break from that to stop from that?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
What I loved about making Catfish was that it inherently
was a stop go style production schedule, Unlike a lot
of shows, where you know, you block out six or
eight or ten twelve weeks and you shoot everything. Our show,
we went to film as the stories came in, so
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there was never a schedule more than maybe a.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Week or two in advance.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And oftentimes I get called and say, hey, we just
got a story cleared, the people can can meet it
with us in three days?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Be ready?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like you know, it was sometimes very last minute but
then I would get a week or two off waiting
for the next story. So it was the perfect balance
of you know, working and having little breaks where I
could do other things, other jobs.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Obviously spend a lot of time with my family.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So I missed that because you know, now I've I
don't have that sort of regular, irregular filming schedule.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And you know, I need to be busy. I hate
kind of idle time.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's wild that you didn't have because any shows I've done,
it's like twelve episode, sixteen episode, and you do it
and you get it done as fast as possible, right,
and you try to save the most money as possible.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah. No, we filmed just year round.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
There was just there was never an off or blacked
out you know, period of time throughout the year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It was just you're on.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Call and you've just decided, at least for now, you're
going to sell real estate or a you're going to
go back.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So my family's been in real estate for a long time.
My grandfather after he got out of the military and
spent a few years working for his dad in a
dress shop.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
My great grandfather started.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
A women's boutique that sold a lot of dresses, amongst
other things.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He knew that's not what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So my grandfather took a chance, raised some money, bought
some land I think up in Westchester, subdivided it, and
you know, started sort of doing real estate development and
it becomes very successful. My father then went into real estate,
worked with his dad, and then eventually became a broker
here in the city and has been for fifty years.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
And so there's always and then I have two.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Aunts that are both brokers, So there's been this sort
of family tradition now of a family business of real estate.
My brother and I did not go into it, as
we went into entertainment. But when the show ended, my
dad said, why don't you get your license, come work
with me.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
See if you like it. I think it'd be great
at it.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You know the city so well, you've got so many
contacts clients.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Let's give it a try. So that's what I did.
So obviously the question thenether are you going to start
shooting that?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
So yeah, so right away, when when I announced that
I was doing real estate, a bunch of people came
production companies and said, hey, we'd love to develop a
real estate show with you. To which I said, I'm
definitely interested in that. I want to get my feet
sort of ground a little bit, make some deals, let's
see how it goes. But I'm certainly interested in that.
And obviously, you know, there's there's a ton of successful
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real estate shows already out there that maybe I could
end up landing on one day. But right now, I'm
just focused on building some clientele, making some deals, getting started,
learning as much as I can from my dad, and.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Seeing how it goes.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
How does one get you who we call and be like, yeah,
you need please?
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, no, you can just email me.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean, I'm very yeah, I mean, you know, obviously
I appreciate people have respected my business email for real
estate as a place for you know, actual business. But yeah,
I know I'm available, I'm reachable.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
That's pretty cool to hit you up.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I just think that would be pretty cool if they
were a fan of the many things that you've done. Yeah,
I feel like that would be if I were looking
for someone and I would move into the city, I
would try to find Neve from Catfish or Dancing with
the Stars or whatever the case is.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
No, Yeah, if you're coming to New York City and
you're looking to buy an apartment.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I can do rentals too, but the rental market's just
very devastatingly difficult to navigate. Not that I can't, but
I'm not. I don't specialize in rentals, which I think
you almost have to because they moved so quick and
the prices are so high right now, that like that
you have to be full on focused on that and
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that that I you know, that's not my specialty.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
What's like the high end that you've sold.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
We just closed on a you know, five and a
half million dollar apartment on the Upper east Side.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
That's pretty legit home. When you finally close and signed.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
How long because I've bought houses to where you know,
the check goes over, you got to you gotta send
that stuff wire.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
How long until your cut gets wired to you?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Jeez, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I don't even know yet because it hasn't happened. I'm
still waiting for my first payout.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That's a good one, Yeah, be a good one.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Uh So, okay, I want to talk about that. Secondly,
the show was on for ten years.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Whenever it was over.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Was that a bit of a you had to you
had to decide what you wanted to do. Was there
any thought of doing a different show?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I mean it it Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I think it aired in twenty started in twenty twelve,
and I think was actually still on in twenty twenty
four years.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It was twelve years and when it. You know, for
all of their.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Shortcomings, I love MTV, but they're part of such a big,
enormous company, and you know, the overlords, and then there
was the whole sky Dance thing, and so it took
a long time for them to finally officially say, Okay.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
We're not going to keep ordering the show.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So there was a lot of waiting, which was weird
and awkward, during which time I got my license because
I wasn't sure what was going to happen for real estate,
and I started talking to and thinking about and developing
other shows because I'd love to stay in television. I
love making content and being part of a team and
a production. So now that we officially have the Catfish
(10:03):
Ip back from MTV, we're very actively talking to a
bunch of people who really want to kind of reboot
the Catfish franchise, but in a much broader, more interesting way.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Than just one sort of traditional television show.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Because I think there's a lot of opportunities that we've
been wanting to do for a long time, but MTV
wanted to just sort of keep it very pure, which
was fine, that was their choice, but there's a lot
of other exciting stuff that we want to do with it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
When you guys put out the documentary changed my world.
My mind was blown, couldn't believe it, also really believed.
It also got catfished a couple times after it just
didn't have a name for it, right. I think it's
just very common for that to happen to dudes, and
mine was kind of give you my story real quick.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Please.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's still embarrassing to relive this.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I mean, if I started crying, was embarrassed with me.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, but I feel like you had control of yours,
like you were proud and proud it's not the word,
but because you could showcase it.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yes, I got a lot of praise and credit, so
it made the experience sort of overwhelmingly positive. Whereas if
I'd gone through it by myself, I'm sure I would
have felt yeah, a lot different.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Wait, so what happened to you?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So this guest jeans model hits me up?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Okay, which is probably how a lot of those stories
start where it And I was in my twenties and look,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm no male model and she hits me up and
this is my.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Space, right Sam.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and she's like, hey, and I was doing radio.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Guest Jeans model, that's I can already picture it. I'm
in I'm there. She would have had me too.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, And she was like, I'd listened to your show
when I'm in town. I wasn't syndicated yet, so it
was only in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
She's like, I'm flying in. I'd love to meet you.
And I'm single.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
What do you have to lose and lonely?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah? Perfect mix.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And so we're talking back and forth, sending a lot
of messages and I remember saying to her, hey, we
should get on on webcam.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
At the time, it was external.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Remember, she was like, no problem because I told my
friends I got a guest Jean's model.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That's proud of it. Yeah, oh yeah, look at her.
And they were like dude. I was like, no, trust me.
I think she knows I'm a big deal. I wasn't
a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
She was a fan, yeah, massive, And so we got
on webcam and I'm on webcam and for some reason,
her camera was broken, like I could still hear her,
but her camera was broken.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And which at the time I believe it was believable
because it was clunky. Yeah, there were software issues like
us pic I remember, sometimes they didn't work.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
And so she's like, I'm coming to town like in
three days, I'll meet you at the mall, and I
was like, great, let's meet at the food court. I
went and I sat at the food court for like
ninety minutes.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
She never showed up.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
So I message her get back to my computer because
there was no MySpace.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
On the phone.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Oh yeah, that's right, there was no app.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
So I had to go back home and oh my
flight was delayed. So it was one excuse after another.
So I'm now talking about it on my show. Had
in exchanged like phone numbers, No, not yet, And so
I'm talking about it on my show and nobody believes
me that she's real, and I just am in disbelief
that they don't believe that this guest Jean's model from
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Los Angeles is real flying in to talk to me,
and so they're like, get her on the on the air,
and so we got her she she came all in
with us who she come and she was hilarious, sounded
every bit the dream guest Jeans Sule And so she
came on and they were like, she's either drunk or
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it's like something's off. And my feeling was starting to
get hurt that they thought I couldn't get her like
I started taking personal and so then I didn't hear
from her again for a while. And then a news
story hit like three months later, and somebody emailed it
into me.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
There was this dude who was.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Calling and connecting with men around Austin saying he was
that guest sheenes model from a hotel room, small guy,
so he could do his voice like a female, and
he had gotten tons of money out of all these men.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
And it was like a so you were one of
the many victims, but he didn't ask you for money.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Never got there. Might have given him some, sure, but
it was a dude.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
It was a dude, yeah, And it made the news
and he was arrested because he had tricked a bunch
of dudes into money.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Did you find in all of the years of.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
The show that most of the catfishing was people being
selfish doing it? For their own entertainment or loneliness, or
trying to get money out of people.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I mean, look, obviously, in the sort of almost three
hundred episodes that we did, it was a pretty interesting
mix of motives. I would say, if I had to guess,
most of the people who were catfishing for money would
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not have agreed to come on the show because they were,
you know, sort of scamming people. For the most part,
of the people who would agree to come on the show
are the ones who did genuinely create the profile to communicate,
make friends, explore some part of their personality or sexuality
or identity, and then kind of accidentally stumbled into the relationship,
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had real feelings.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
And didn't know kind of how to handle it.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
But again that's you know, through the microscope of the show.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's more mostly what we saw.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, I think for every episode of the show, I'm
sure there's hundreds of people are who got catfish by
someone who just was trying to get money out of them.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
We did have a couple episodes like that.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
We even shockingly got like a Nigerian prince scammer to
agree to Yeah, I don't think he face timed with us,
but he got on the phone or maybe he face timed.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah, he did FaceTime.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
And admit that like he you know, took the money
from this poor guy who was so sweet because he
you know, he lives in he's poor, he lives somewhere
in Africa, and he's got a girlfriend that he wants
to propose to and he was trying to save some
enough money for a ring. And so the guy, the
sweet guy who got catfished, said, Hey, I had a
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ring that I had bought for you that I'll.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Send that you can use to I mean, like kind
of amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Story because he felt bad for the guy.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Wow, yeah, still had the empathy sympathy totally to give
the guy that was scamming him a ring to give
to his girl.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah wow.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
If that were today, they had created like a GoFundMe
for that dude and he'd made like a million bugs.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah maybe for the there probably was go fund me then, but.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, wow, that's wild.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, the crazy thing is that guy had to remain
anonymous ish because it is illegal in that country.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
They have it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's a huge issue for a lot of those countries
and they're trying to crack down on it. So it
was kind of a big risk for him to even
come on the show and admit it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
How did you get some of the folks to even
come on? Was there a lot of coaxing with some
of them?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I mean, look, that wasn't my job really. I obviously
did interact with them, and at any point they could
have decided to change their mind and not meet up
with us. But I think what made the show unique
and successful for as long as it was is that
we were really a platform, a safe, you know, empathetic,
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objective platform for people to hash it out, come clean,
reveal themselves or you know, tell tell their secrets, admit
to their wrongdoings, and not get excoriated and made fun of,
but sort of be heard and listened to. And I
think for that reason people felt comfortable and sort of
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drawn to the show.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Was there ever an instance where the catfish and the
person they were tricking ever, actually did fall in love.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
After Yeah, we had a few minor successes where they
kind of agreed to go on some dates. But our
one real true like love story was we had an
episode where a girl was talking to this guy. They
had been speaking for a while, they were really into
each other, and then we went to meet him, and
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turns out he had presented himself as a white guy
and he was actually black, and you know, just a
sort of very nice looking, average, sort of nerdy black
guy who I don't think it really lied about that
much other than his appearance, and the girl didn't really care.
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I guess she was still attracted to him, and they
had a kid, and as far as I know, they're
married and still together, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's probably because he didn't lie about everything, right, right,
I mean, I'm sure he left out things about his
life because.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
It didn't fit with the sort of version he.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Had presented, But that was actually there was a whole
conversation that didn't make the episode that I was kind
of bummed about because the black guy he did not
identify with or associate with his sort of black culture.
He felt almost like he was sort of born into
the wrong body, which was a really interesting conversation with
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his family, like I think his mom and his sister,
who were kind of I think a little hurt that
they felt like what's wrong with black culture? What's wrong
with our family? Like why don't you feel this is
the right place for you?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
And it was very interesting dynamic to kind of you know.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Uh, sort out but needless stay that worked out.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
When you started doing the documentary the original Catfish, at
what point in the story did you think we have
to document this.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean, it was always my really my brother and
his friend Henry's thing. I was living this funny interaction
with this family in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
They were sending me these paintings.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
I was on the phone with the sister who was
flirting with me, and so I was getting friend requests
from all their cousins and babysitter and you know, neighbor.
It was just like this little soap opera that I
was sort of had a front row seat to. And
you know, once in a while I would turn to
my brother and I'd say, Hey, you wouldn't believe this
crazy email, or look at this package I just got,
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or whatever it was. And so he had the intuition
just to sort of start recording those moments. And they
were just a few little moments here and there over
the course of about eight months. And then there was
a moment when we were in Colorado filming a dance
festival that I discovered a lie they told me and
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That's when my brother and Henry were like, oh this
could this just got really interesting. Let's focus on this
and sort of see where it takes us. And so
for the next four days they filmed us going to Michigan,
meeting the family, revealing and sort of peeling back the
layers of the truth, and then subsequently they edited it,
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you know, and there was a lot of digging that
went on after, because all of the emails and texts
that I had never really thought would mount to anything
were now like the sort of script for this incredible
story that they had to go back and figure out
how to tell. So they really did all that and
figured it out, and I was just sort of there,
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kind of for the ride.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Was your pride herd at all?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
There were definitely moments that I was embarrassed and you know,
felt dumb because after I found out the truth, and
you know, you go back and you look at all
of these interactions and all the things that they told me,
and it seems.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
So obvious, like how could I have believed this?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You know, And in that in those first moments, you
don't really you forget that there was this very slow, calculated,
sort of drip of information and so one drop out
a time, it doesn't seem like that crazy.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
But then obviously, you know when when you see.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
A bucket overflowing and you're like, oh my god, how
could I have been so foolish?
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But no, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I think that, you know, even though a lot of
people who have seen the show in more recent years
don't even know that.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
I was catfish.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
That's what gave me the sort of street cred initially
when the show started to be like, hey, I this
happened to me. I know how you feel. You don't
have to be super like, you don't have to feel dumb,
you don't have to feel naive for this. You don't
or you don't have to be dumb for this to
happen to you. And I think that's what helped people
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kind of come on the show and not feel like
they were going to be made fun of.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Did you feel the moment in culture when that documentary
like reached a full resonation with folks.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I mean, yeah, I mean Sundance was amazing, but that's
a very.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Small yeah, Like I don't see Sun Dance.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, I'd never been before or after, so and I
didn't even realize it was sort of a big deal
in the film world.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I think, you know the doc.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And it's was successful obviously in terms of documentaries, indie documentaries,
but it really wasn't until the first season of the show.
When it premiered, it was on at eleven, so it
was kind of this little late night unknown show. But
the first few episodes did really well, and then the
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Mantiteo story happened, which was insane.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Insane, and the timing was insane.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It was insane.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, yeah, because our show had come out just a
few weeks earlier, so that when the head coach at
Notre Dame gave his press conference, he referenced the show.
He was like, Mandateo was catfished, and then he said,
and if you don't know what that means, I direct
you to the MTV show Catfish. It was like the
biggest news story in the country. And he was just like,
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it was like our show at the center of the headline.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
But I so that was crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
And then a few weeks later SNL spoofed the show
and Adam Levine played me and that was.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Like, oh, that had to be so wild.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
That was wild.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
So that those like three weeks where all that was
happening was just, you know, an experience I'll never have again.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean, like you, Yeah, that's a lot at once.
That's like the oddly perfect timing for all that time.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Yeah, it was a perfect storm.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I have a friend who went on Jerry Springer and
he lied about the circumstances. He went under right, he
was just doing it, and they believed him. Did you
ever find anybody was lying to you?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We had We had a couple, yeah, we that I
know of.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
We we had two episodes that we discovered while we
were filming that that they were lying. One was a
story of these two girls who had been in love
but lived on opposite coasts and knew that they were real,
but couldn't afford to make the trip. So they had said, hey,
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we've been talking for years, but I think I'm getting catfished.
So that we would fly one to the other and
we discovered it and realized this is actually kind of
like charming. Let's just do it and like go with it.
So that was cute, and then the other was sort
of the opposite. We found out that this girl had,
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for whatever reason, wanted.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
To like just get on the show. I guess.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So she had made up this whole story that she
had been getting catfished, and she convinced these people to
sort of be the bad guys. But then when we
went to confront them or you know, meet them for
the first time, she like really laid into them and
they started to like regret, like they don't like, wait,
I didn't want to come on TV to let you
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make me look like a total jerk, and so they
they like act started acting weird and I could just
tell something was off, and eventually they admitted it. They
were like, yeah, you know, she reached out to us
to see if we get on the show, but we
didn't think she was going to like make us look
so terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, what had when you met your wife? I'm assuming
this is after yes you are yeah, yeah, and that's
an interesting conversation with somebody going on a date with right.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Well, so she had seen the documentary, and I later
learned that after she had watched the doc she was
with a friend they had I think actually the friend
had said like, oh, he's so cute, like, let's let's
find him on because you know, at the end of
the documentary it says like, I'm still on Facebook. So
they had found me, and I guess sent me a
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message that I never saw, you know. But then years
later I ended up going to her office. She worked
at an ad agency and I had friends who worked there,
and so wed I had been there, she had seen
me there. I didn't know her at the time, and
then when we my on Instagram kind of strangely through
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her then boyfriend who was a photographer, and I started
following her. Then I saw she followed me, and so
I DMed and asked her out, and then she said, oh,
pick me up at my job. And I immediately was like,
oh my god, that's they I didn't tip into.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
So I asked my friend, Hey, what do you know
about this girl Laura, And he's like, oh, she's a
hard worker. So I was like, all right, great, So
I picked her.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Up that night and real person, yeah, yeah, right, I
confirmed that she was exactly how old your oldest child,
my daughter's nine.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Did she ask questions about it yet? Not really?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
You know, it's funny, she I should show her the
doc because she's now the age.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I think she's the age.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Now that Abby, the girl who I was initially talking to,
was when I started talking to her. So I think
it'd be really fun for her to see it. That's
a great idea. I'm going to watch it with her.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Oh your idea. I just asked that.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Well, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
We just had a baby, first baby. She's ten weeks old.
And now I'm thinking, like, when do I like show
her stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Right, like your stuff?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No, just stuff like I wrote kids book, and I
think she's still too young to even hear the kids book.
But now my mind is like, at what point do
I start introducing these things. I have to beat her
to them before they get to her.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Sure, but yeah, I mean you don't have to worry
about anything getting to her.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
No, nothing bad right now. I mean I've even said it.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Had done a bunch of stupid stuff, but nothing like
illegal or joicy. But it's like, you know, eventually I'm
gonna have to go like, oh that's true, here's me
saying this, here's me dancing on TV that type stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, the biggest concern I had was when my daughter
was born, I still had a terrible tramp stamp tattoo
that I had gotten when I was seventeen, just.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Awful, like a tribal just un worse my lower.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
And as the second she was born, I was like,
I cannot have my child know me with this tattoo.
So I had it removed and maybe she'll eventually one
day see a photo it, or actually if I show
or the documentary, she'll see it for that second. But
that was the best decision I ever made for a
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lot of reasons. But yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I never I hadn't really thought about that other
than the tattoo. But I'm, you know, for the most part,
pretty proud. The funny thing about the kids is, you know,
they're with me all the time. People come up to
me all the time and say hey and want to
take pictures, and so whenever someone comes over and like
is unsure or a little nervous, now my kids are
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just like, yeah, yeah, he's catfish like like they just
like help them, you know, because they could just tell
when someone wants to come talk to me or doesn't
know what to say.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, that is pretty great being a dad. Pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It's what's the best part about it.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I mean it's it's the toughest.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Okay, that's not really the right way to say that.
It's it's the most active and encouraging sort of form
of self help that I think you can get.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
What do you mean self help?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So I have many things about myself that I'd like
to improve. But you know, when you're either single or
in a relationship, there's a you know, you get a
lot of space to kind of be yourself be you know,
there's there's there's a wiggle room you can you can
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avoid things, you can kind of ignore stuff. But when
you've kids, you know, at after a certain age, they
just reflect everything.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Nothing gets by them.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
So every irrit every moment of irritability or short temper
or I rolls or you know, picking your nose, like
they're constantly observing you and reacting to that totally un filtered.
So you are constantly given feedback, and a lot of
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it is negative. I mean, you know, just just by
the nature of the fact that like you're doing something
that your kid is reflecting on you, and you're like,
oh my god, I don't want to do that. I
don't want to say that, Like I should act better.
So it's just a really aggressive form of like self improvement.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I've never heard it said like that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
That makes a lot of sense though, And it's tough,
you know, because there's just there's some things about myself
that like I don't want to work on every day
all the time when I from when I the second
I wake up at six am, to have to like
be nice and.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Accommodating and understanding and patient.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But like you have to because if you're not, your
kids are gonna feel it. They're gonna get upset, they're
going to get impatient. They're gonna then act that way
towards you, which is gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Be like it's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, it's exhaust it's hard. But if you can you
can create a positive motion or forward positive energy, it
then comes back like it's it's you know, it's you
get exactly what you put into it.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Before we started the podcast, you didn't want to hit
your microphone and you did this like pick yourself up
from the chair, pretty athletic maneuver. And I thought, I
was like, wow, pretty strong guy. But you've done eleven marathons.
I think so, yeah, am I short if I'm short? No?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
No, no, I think that I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
That's what I read.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I know you're a runner.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
I don't keep my metal. You do not like sentimental
about it?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Oh, I would be if I had one, I'd hang
in on my rearview mirror. It would never leave. Yeah,
I'd get a replica on my wife's review mirror. I'd
be everywhere.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
But no, no, you've done eleven. Uh and I read
you were a guide runner. That's yeah, Now what's a
guide runner?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
So there are a.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Lot of people athletes with disabilities, and there are a
number of organizations, but the one that I'm most involved
with is called Achilles, and they provide guides for any
athlete with any kind of disability to swim, cycle, or run.
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So as a runner, a few years ago, I volunteered
to be a guide for the marathon. So they pair
you with an athlete who needs a guide. Then it
could be a wheelchair, it could be an amputee, it
could be someone with vision impairment, and you just are
there with them, either to guide them quite literally, or
to just support them or you know, the marathon is
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very busy, it's hard to get to the water station,
you know, just to help them.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
I've run with autistic runners. Everyone's different.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
But now since I started doing that, there have been
very few races, if any, that I have participated in
not as a guide, because I just found that it
was exponentially more reward.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Is it so emotional when you finish?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I mean for you, yes, for sure. You know.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I've run a number of marathons quickly and it's been great.
But then last year in November, I ran the next
to marathon with a veteran who lost both legs and
that took like six and a half hours and was
you know, you would say, oh, it must have been
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like a two x sort of experience, but it was
one hundred x because going slower just allows for so
much absorption of the energy of the crowd. Because when
you're running, you know, you're you're you're running, you don't
really have time to engage. But when you stop because
he needs to stop, or you're walking because he needs
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to walk, like everybody just you make so much connection
with the people clapping and cheering and every runner who
passes you because a lot of them do or like
patting you on the back and like giving you thumbs up,
and it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Did you run before your accident? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I started running in twenty fifteen, ok, And I just
immediately loved it. And so I've run the marathon or
a marathon pretty much every year since, or in some
cases maybe more than one. And then a few years
ago or four years ago, I started guiding. And then
two years ago I had my bicycle accident.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
That was only two years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, not even it was two years this August.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Wait, so you did the whole move here after the accident,
because they, if I remember correctly, they thought you were
going to be pair or you were a paralyzed for it.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
I hadn't. No, I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wasn't, But didn't they think they were there?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
The type of neck fracture that I had is nearly
always results in some paralysis.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's what I remember reading, right.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
So it was just by some you know, stroke of
luck that it didn't. I mean, I have some nerve damage,
but you know I was able to make.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
A full recovery.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Were on a bicycle.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I was on a bicycle here in town. No, out
in Long Island, Okay, So what what what were you doing?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Nothing that interesting? I was just actually on my way
to pick up my son from summer camp. And I
don't remember exactly. I remember I was looking around. I
had to merge because there's no bike lanes out there,
which is something that I'm sort of trying to help improve.
And I merged into from the shoulder into the lane
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of traffic. And after you know, I'd looked over my
left shoulder, and somehow when I looked back in front
of me, traffic had come to a stop in front
of me in a spot that rarely that happens. And
so I just rear ended right into the back of
this like work truck, and.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Yeah, the Bobby Cast will be right back.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
This is the Bobby Cast. What do you remember next?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Next, I remember like this, the guy like laying on
the ground and like this, the amts like scissors, like
cutting my shirt open.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It must have been five or ten minutes. I don't
know how quickly the ambulance got there. But it was
weird because I immediately said, and I think this is
like the dad instinct. I immediately thought, like, I'm my
kid is waiting. Call my wife please so that she knows.
And I started to give my wife's phone number, and
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the EMT was like, you already told us, So I had,
somehow in my unconscious state already I guess told them once.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I don't know, unconsciously you were a good dad making
sure your kid wasn't left at school all day.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Wow, so two years ago, are you good?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Well?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
The crazy thing is so.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
So that was August of twenty twenty four and then,
and I remember I was I had I had run
as a guide with my with my now friend who's blind,
I think twice, and we were supposed to run it
together that November, and I you know, I spoke to
him a few days later and I said, like, Francesco,
you know I just broke my neck. You better find
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another guide. And he said we. He said, like, look,
there's time. Let's see how you're feeling. Like I'm not
not gonna let you off the hook that easily, because
you know, if I can run on a marathon blind,
you should be able to run one, you know, after
this accident.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
So it seemed ridiculous, but it put the.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Thought in my head that like, well, maybe I know
it's only all it's August, September, October, November, like like
I think it was ten or something weeks.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I was like maybe it was twelve weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I was like, do you think because I was in
good shape, I was training aggressively for a race, so
I was like, well, maybe once I get this neck
brace off in six weeks, like I can do it.
And so six weeks later, the doctor cleared me, saying,
just like, your neck is healed, so go for a
run and see how it feels. So I went for
like a mile jog and it felt okay. So the
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next like run, I did a little bit longer, and
I was like, I think I can do this, and
so I ended up running the marathon with him that November.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Do you think him saying that really led to you
pushing yourself and getting healthier faster?
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I mean because.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
If I hadn't had the marathon to train to get
back in shape for and a bib to run it,
like who knows how long I would have waited to
sort of start running again. So it was one hundred
percent motivating factor. And now that friend Francesca and I
are actually training to do a half iron Man in September,
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so I'm training for that. Now we're making a really
cool documentary about that.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
How do you I've done a couple of traps, like
a tripl How do you not the same? I'm not
I'm just saying I understand, like you process, how do
you swim?
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Swimming is just your you're tethered.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You have a strap that connects you by through you know,
by your thigh and uh, you just he just feels
the distance and kind of stays.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Hit each other.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Have you trained because you're you're you know, the rope
is long enough that as long as you're not doing
any kind of crazy, you know, kicking or whatever. We've
we've done one swim, but it was cold. It's finally
warmed up because it's hard to train in a pool
when you're like, there's not a lot of lanes that
can accommodate that. So now that the weather's warmed up,
we're going to do some some open water swims.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
What about the cycling part.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
That's a tandem bike, so got it right, So I
just go in front and he sits behind. That's easier
than that rope, and the running is also pretty easy.
We've done that a bunch, so really the the trickiest
part is the swim.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
So a half iron Man is.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
It's a it's a twenty two hundred meter swims like
one point two miles out a mile or something, and
then a fifty mile bike to fifty four or fifty
five mile ride and then a half marathon. Yeah, I mean,
I've never I've only done one sprint triathlon before I
even started running.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
And the swim took me that like that. I'm embarrassed.
I think the swim took me like thirty or forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
The training is difficult because you've got to swim, You've
got to train with a different you have to train
a day where you swim and then get on a bike.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
I know I still haven't done like a like a
swim to a cycle.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
The only real panic attack I've ever had is the
first time that I did a triathlon and we're an
open water and I like an idiot because I didn't
know how to train. I swim in a pool looking
at the black line the whole time. Now I'm an
open water and they're saying, go, there's no black line.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Well you know what they do have?
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Now?
Speaker 1 (42:52):
They have these a R or a yeah AR goggles,
So there's a little screen inside.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
It showed it like holds like a fake line.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, so you you set it to where you want
to go, and then the second you start swimming, it
shows you like a degree, like crazy wild, and then
it shows you your your heart rate and it shows
you like your distance.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I had people swimming over the top of me because
I was so freaked out. You were going like, well
at first, I was like, oh my god, I can't
I don't know where to go.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
So then I started trunch holding my head up, which
is not good. And then people were kicking me, swimming
over the top of me. And then I started swimming
to the side and the boat adds a lot of distance,
and the boat came out to me and they were like,
are you okay? And I was like, I don't know.
I had to regather my It's the only real life
panic attack it and I finished. But that was a
moment for me where I was like, I don't know
if I'm gonna be able to do this. Yeah, and
(43:47):
I feel like I can do anything. And that was
one of those moments where I was I don't know
if I'm going to be able to do this. I
should have just trained and not open water. I don't
in open water.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
It's tough. Yeah, I also didn't know. Let's talk about
Dancing with the Stars first.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Okay, great, really good? Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
You know you're really good.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Too, though, right, Yeah, I mean yes, I I think
I have.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
A pretty high level of of sort of danceability.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Who's your partner, Jenna? Okay, it's great, you did it too. Yeah,
you're great.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
You're very good too.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
I won, but I wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Yeah, but you won.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, but I wasn't good. There's a difference, I know.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
But how could you have won if you're not good?
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Man of the people? You were good? I was not good.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I gotta go back and want to I encourage you
not to. Actually, who was your partner, Sharna? Oh right, yeah,
she was off probably by the time you. She did
one season after we won. Okay, but Jenna is so
so she's amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Uh I thought you. I thought. I don't know. If
I were you, i'd have been really disappointed.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Actually quite the opposite.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I love that I didn't win.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Why because who won? By the way, Uh, I'm just blanking.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Do you remember who?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Do you remember Caitlyn Bristow? Sorry, I just had I
just had a brain frid in Nashville. Oh my god,
seven houses down not anymore, No New York, now that's right. Yes, anyway,
Caitlyn won trained dancer. Yes, yeah, so she I think
she had a little bit of an advantage to that
in that regard. Also, I don't want to say that
it's I don't know. I just think like being the girl,
(45:34):
I think there's a slight advantage as a non professional
because the male does so much guiding in dancing.
Speaker 4 (45:43):
So obviously Jenna was guiding me essentially.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Too, But like I think, you know, as a as
an untrained ballroom dancer, I think being the one that's
led is inherently a little bit easier. But no, I'm
not trying to not give Caitlyn her flowers. She's fantastic.
The reason that I'm happy she won is because it
makes no difference in terms of like my future, you know,
(46:10):
like there was nothing to gain from winning other than
I guess being invited on the tour, which I was
too busy.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I have my kids.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
We were okay, right, And I'm not like that upset
about that. And what I love is that people come
up to me now all the time and say, like
you yeah, so much.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
It's so much more fun to have people be like
you got robbed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
You know, I thought both of you, because no one
would come up to being like, congrats on winning the
Mirror Ball.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I think I think they would because I get it
a lot. I mean, but I get.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
All the same yeah, congratulations and appreciation, but I also
get like the fun bonus of like you got robbed.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
It was the most skilled finale. There were only a
couple that I've seen that were so skilled at the
end whenever it was you really you and Kaitlyn both
and I really like Caitlin and she talked about it
like she was a dancer her whole life and then
she didn't get to dance. And but I thought, and
that was a weird season because you give COVID oh
so weird, Like there's no for me part of the
(47:04):
the adrenaline because there were people, and it was just
because I've.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Gone to filmings since then, and I've been in the
ballroom with the audience and the and and watching the
dances with the supporting ensemble.
Speaker 4 (47:16):
I'm just like, Wow, it's a whole different thing.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But I have some some cool sort of I don't
know if it's like embargoed, but like, you know how
they're doing the new show Dancing with Stars for the
new pro pro so I was invited as an alumni.
I was invited as one of very few alumni to
participate in an episode of that show.
Speaker 3 (47:39):
That's awesome because you're good.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know who didn't get invited as an alumni winner, Oh,
I would have made them worse anyway.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
So so I love dancing.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
I love that show.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
I'm so excited for this new series and it's it's
every time I've now been a part of that, I'm like, God,
I wish I had pursued dancing, you know, because I
dance a little bit in middle school, very you know,
on you know, amateur style.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
And I kind of just I wish I had gotten
more into it.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
It's such a great experience that show. Oh my god.
And again I have no background at all, and I
barely have a background now after doing the show. But
it's the people, like ninety percent of them are awesome,
like awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (48:25):
We should start a post show live like reaction chat
for this coming season for watching them. Yeah, we should
get as many former competitors contestants together and do like
some sort of live like stream for people to watch
(48:45):
and talk like we're.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Going to I think they'd like watching you talk about it.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
What do you mean why would you already have an
audience people that like watching you.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Talk, yes, not talk about dance.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Oh well, it just a different.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Hit the if you remember, hit YouTube later and you'll
be like, oh, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Anyway, I'm if anybody ever wants to do any kind
of dance content or or anything with me, I'm I'm.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Ready to go. Hit me up dies your neck? Did it?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Was?
Speaker 3 (49:12):
That was before the accident, right.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
My neck was a yeah? Yeah, Dancing the Stars was
before Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I just I'm still amazed by the move that you
did two years after a neck surgery where you pulled.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yourself up out of the chair. Just then I hit
the microphone. But you're healthy.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah, no, my neck healed and it also kind of
forced me to rehabilitate not just my neck, but like
kind of start start from scratch and like get back
in shape in a much healthier.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Way.
Speaker 3 (49:38):
But yeah, do you have one of those cool realtor websites?
Speaker 4 (49:41):
No? I guess I should.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I I don't know. Sometimes it's like, who you should
check out this? Real estate person.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
They're like, I'm Dominique, and it's like.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Yeah, no, I don't have that.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
I've made some fun videos to sort of you know,
let people know I'm working in real estate now.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
But again, I'm I'm coming into it very humbly.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
I think a lot of real estate brokers are really
selling themselves and for better or worse, really kind of
want to be the star of their business.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
I just want to learn. I just want to I
just want to know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And get good at it and see if I can
actually you know, help people and enjoy it. So, you know,
maybe again once once. It's only been like, you know,
six months that I've been doing this, so I'm not
ready to kind of like get out there and put
my face on. You know, I'm not like doing.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
The bus bust up posters yet, but but maybe so
just do one.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Just do one?
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Ya, that's true, Okay, I can do it now.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Final thing is, are you saying that there will be
another incarnation of Catfish in some way?
Speaker 4 (50:51):
I certainly hope.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
So, I mean, we have a lot of ideas for
how to kind of take the brand, the Catfish idea
of deception, and you know, relationships and and make hopefully
a bunch of different types of shows.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
My final final question, how did the term catfish ever
even come to be?
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Yeah, so in the dock, if you remember, and I
don't want to spoil too much, but the husband of
the woman we met, he told us this great story
about fishermen who, you know, kind of back in the
(51:35):
early days of fishing, when they would travel from I guess,
Alaska to China catching cod along the way. They had
these big ships with these vats in the hall, and
they would store all the fish alive in these vats
because you know, it was a weeks and weeks journey,
and so they didn't have ice they could use for
(51:56):
that long, so they would just keep them alive. And
over time in these small vats, the fish would stop swimming,
their muscle would deteriorate, and by the time they got
where they were going, like I guess, they were less delicious,
they were smaller whatever. So someone had the idea of
putting some catfish in with the cod to chase them
(52:20):
and keep them moving, and he equated his wife to
those catfish. There are people in life that kind of
nit at our fins and keep things interesting. And we
thought it was such a beautiful analogy for without him
even knowing how insanely accurate he was being. It was
(52:43):
never meant in our minds to kind of indicate what
I think it's become, which is like a sort of
bottom feeder like Trickster. It was just this sort of
beautiful concept of, Wow, there are people who think outside
the box and kind of push the boundaries, and yeah,
maybe they break rules, but they're also what makes life
such a thrill and sort of so.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
Exciting, And that's why we called it that.
Speaker 3 (53:08):
Did you ever talk to do you.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Have to talk to people that run the movie documentary?
Speaker 4 (53:12):
I haven't and now in a long time, but you're good.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
No.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
I actually I think about them all the time and
would love to be in touch. I'm very reachable, And
I think it was made clear at one point as
the success of the show and everything was growing that
like they wanted to not be a part of that anymore.
Because I'd actually invited Angela the Woman to be a
(53:40):
part of the show when we initially started.
Speaker 4 (53:42):
It, and she said, no, thanks, but I would love
to hear how she's doing.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And I'd really love to know how Abby the Girl
who at the time was part of the whole thing,
is doing now because she's probably twenty something.
Speaker 4 (53:57):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
I mean, yeah, Nive, I really appreciate the time. This, yeah,
this is this has been awesome. Thanks so much. And
if we're buying a place up here, I'm gonna sit
you up.
Speaker 4 (54:06):
Please do if anyone is looking for if anyone than
I can help you find your next home.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.
Hosts And Creators
Bobby Bones
Amy Brown
Lunchbox
Eddie Garcia
Raymundo
Mike D
Abby Anderson
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