Leslie is sending Amy & Kat into their friends trip with two book recommendations…a gripping mystery that's hard to put down, and a thought-provoking story about women in the 1960s (which Amy was excited about because she already ordered that book!!) Then, a listener (we’ll call her B) needs advice on something so many of us have faced: how do you quietly distance yourself from a friendship that's draining you…especially when the kids are involved and the texts keep coming? Amy & Kat get into it.
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Cat and I just gotta say I ate the most
delicious cookies.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It so cute the way you said that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Well, I was like, oh, can we start recording yet?
Because I just slammed a couple of cookies and they're
the sa ones that tastes like strawberry and cream. Yeah,
but they're not called strawberries and cream unless strawberries and
Spanish are fresh sauce. How do you spell that fresh
sauce and cream?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Let me look up with strawberry, and my eight.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Years of Spanish isn't allowing me to remember any fruit
right now in espaniol.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know that I remember anything.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I don't think I can remember any fruit, like nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh that is strawberry and Spanish perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So the fresh sauce and cream to me, that might
be the best siete cookie. The little the little cookies
they make, yeah, the popular one. I think the first
one they ever put out was like a wedding cookie.
They're white, and then yeah, they have cinnamon, and then
they started making chocolate chip. I don't know it's evolved,
(01:49):
but I gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Say, well, fun fact. If you guys are not subscribed
to our newsletter, last week I sent out a strawberry
cream cheese cake recipe that I make every year for
Patrick's Bird.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I saw that, isn't it Pauladines?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, so you know it's good.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But I was confused because I opened the newsletter to
read it because I'm like, oh, fun. It is fun
when you have a newsletter and it ends up in
your email and you're like there there she is. It worked?
Was it clickable?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah? It should have been clickable.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Where were we supposed to click the picture. I clicked
the picture. Okay, well, I don't know if anything happened.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Let me double check it. Because this cool thing about
the future of the newsletter we use is it reviews it.
So if I put there has to be a link
to everything, and so it should tell me if there's
not a link. Okay, but let me double check. I
did this kind of as a test to see if
my husband read the newsletter because she.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Put him in it. You put his picture in it.
I thought I was like, oh, there's Patrick blowing out
his birthday candles, and.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I knew he'd be like, why did you do that?
But he never brought it up, so I know for
she's read our newsletter, but I'm like, you at least
need to open it so it helps our open rate.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, rude.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Anyway, so that backfired on me or did it backfire
in him? Really?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
M mmmm time hotel. Well, so a quick solution to
if the link didn't work for you, as you can
just google Pauladine's strawberry cake cake.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's pretty simple for it being like a homemade cake
that uses real fresh us mm.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Hmm, real press us press us and cream. So we've
got an email from Leslie that I'm going to start
off with, and I am y'all can't see me right now,
but I'm my books because I ordered a bunch of
books for our trip and I'm holding them, and Leslie's
email is about books, and then I'm going to share
(03:52):
with y'all about my books. I like show and tell
even though the friend today. Hey ladies, I have a
couple of book recommendations for your trip. I just finished
Mad Woman. I was hooked immediately and couldn't put it down.
It's a mystery and it felt so real, but warning,
(04:13):
it does talk a lot about domestic violence. I'm currently
reading the book Club for Troublesome Women. I wasn't sure
I would like it, but it's very good. It follows
for women and it's set in the nineteen sixties before
women's rights. It takes a serious topic but makes it
light and even funny. Get you thinking for sure. Both
light and easy reads, perfect for vac Have the friend's
(04:35):
trip you all deserve to have, Leslie, age forty. I
love her little twist on how the day you need
to have, because we sure do need to have the
friend's trip that we deserve to have. We deserve it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Gosh darn it, gosh darn it.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And Kat and I are the same. We vacation the same.
I mean, besides the travel part, like Kat wants to
be at the airport way early and she has travel anxiety.
That part we're not the same. But how we want
to vak and be in the hotel room and the
activities we want to do and stuff we want to
(05:09):
talk about. It's like I don't ever have to worry, like, oh,
Cat's probably not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's like what we're planning, like a spa something the
other day and I was like, well, if we go
at this time, then no. You said, if you go
at this time, then we're going to be eating dinner
really late. And I was like, you're right, we should
eat dinner at five. And then you looked at me
and you said, and then we go back to our
room and watch a movie. Yes, that's exactly what I
(05:34):
want to do.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Perfect. So I am holding in my hand Da da
da da da Julie or Leslie. Leslie emailed us. I
think we had another something from a Julie.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Julie sent an email that made me cry.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh yeah, So that was on this Week's Feeling Things
if you missed that episode. On Tuesday, Julie sent the
sweetest email and Kat started crying every other sentence, and
it was it was really precious. The book Club for
Troublesome Women, Leslie. Before I even got your email, I'd
(06:11):
already ordered this, so now you are just confirming my
excitement to read it. I love when a book comes
as a good endorsement, and I love the words both
light and easy reads perfect for VAKA, which I don't
know for sure that I'll end up reading this on VAK,
but I wanted to have options.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I was going to ask you have a lot of books.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
These are all the ones I ordered as potential vacation.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But you're not bringing them all right.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I'm going to have to make a decision because no,
I don't want to lug them in my carry on.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And you won't be reading one book a day.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, I'm going to do one book like I've got
to pick one. But I think I've narrowed it down
and I'll tell you which one I'm going to go with.
So I guess I do know, Leslie. I'm not going
to be reading on vacation, but I love that it's
giving vak vibes, and that it's the light read, because
that's what I want. And when I get back from Vaca,
I actually could take two because after Arizona, I'm going
to Colorado and I'm gonna be on airplanes a.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Lot, so I would actually take two just in case.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Every summer after this was endorsed by Emily Henry. She said,
a radiant debut. Or is that an endorsement or just
a little review.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's an endorsement, that's all she.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Wrote, A radiant debut, Emily Henry. So the the author
is Carly Fortune, and because it had Emily Henry endorsement,
I figured it would give Emily Henry vibes, and so
I ordered it. I have really nothing else to say
about that. My next one is yours truly, Abby Jeminaz
(07:55):
or Jimenez.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think that would be Jimenez Jimenez.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, so the jay is silent silent, Sorry about that, Abby,
I didn't know, uh, yours truly. It had sixteen thousand,
four and a half to five star reviews and for
Amazon Prime Days, this book was seven bucks. So I
ordered it and it had like people just loved it
(08:22):
and they thought it was super cute, so they got.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That that's a thick book. Yeah, what's the font?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Like, Oh, let's check it out.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's normal.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's normal. If it was small, then I would be
a little overwhelmed. But it's a novel of terrible first impressions,
hilarious second chances, and the joy in finding your perfect match.
From the New York Times or Number one New York
Times best selling author Part of your World. Anybody read that?
I haven't, dang, should I have started with that? I
(08:53):
know they're not the same, but sometimes they like to
go in the order of what the author put out
like in their career. This is what I think. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's just as funny. You're talking like you're this like
avid reader. You've been reading for years, and earlier today
you said that you've read more books this year we're
six months in than you ever have in your whole life.
In the facts and you're like, yeah, normally I like
to do this. It's like, believe me, normally this is
like a brand new thing for you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Historically speaking, I like to approach my reading with this method.
I know, and now I have all these books in
my room and Kat's like, what are you to do
with all those? You're just like, we need to build
you a little library and be like, yeah, I'm gonna
the Dewey decimal system so you know where to find stuff.
But I think so I'll probably go with one of
(09:43):
these three as my second. Okay, because in the number
one draft pick for VAK is a memoir. It's nonfiction.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wait, I didn't know it was a memoir. I missed
this part. It says it on the book.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Doesn't it a memoir of marriage?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It does?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You? Did you know it was nonfiction?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I think you actually said that, but it didn't click.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Okay, because these other three that I'm holding all fiction,
and in fact, this year that's been the majority of
my roots. Yeah, all of them, they've been So this
maybe that's why I'm eager to Oh, somebody's story that's
like real. This is called Strangers and it's by Bell Burdon.
(10:27):
All I know is people are talking about this book
all over the place, from like Oprah Book Club to
friends that are texting me about it. So that's the spectrum.
Like my friend's on text all the way to Oprah
and everybody in between. And she writes about her divorce,
(10:49):
which I believe she was completely blindsided by she thought
she had a healthyish or normal type marriage, and one
day her husband came to her and said, and she
shares what she learned in that season and reflecting on
maybe what she missed, and then also speaks to the
(11:10):
financial situation some women get put in when they are
in a marriage for a very long time and they
think they're going to stay married forever, and then he
just leaves.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, you've also convinced me to buy this book. I've
already bought it.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
This is not what you thought it was about, now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That you're talking to me about it, this does not
feel like a light, breezy vacation read. This feels more.
I mean, I want to read it. But is this
the book we want to relax to? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So what is it called? The little Snippets? I was
calling an endorsement, but is that what it is? Okay?
So an endorsement on here says an instant classic Strangers
is gripping and heartbreaking and I must read for every
wife and husband. Another endorse a beautifully written eulogy for
the loss of a relationship that had been loving traditional
(12:02):
in the best unironic sense. Of the word riveting reading
for its heart rendering candor. Yeah, I mean I think
it's a fascinating story. Obviously she did a good job
with However, she shared what she was going through because
I don't think that many people would be talking about it.
It's just I want a book that I can really
(12:22):
get into. Devour by the Pool, and I feel like,
you know, since I've done that. Historically speaking, it's always
what you do, incations, what I do? You know me?
So these are the books in Leslie. Thank you so
much for your email and for the encouragement to have
(12:43):
the friend's trip that we deserve to have. Next email is, ugh,
this is one where I don't know if we should
say her name, so.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm just going to call her be Your fear is that.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's about a friendship, and I just feel like, what
if somebody hears.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It, which I do love airy on the side of caution,
but she did say you could use her name, and
my thought is she's asking about what to do with
her friendship, and if the friend hears this, then like pshposh, we've.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
We handle It's handle it. She doesn't need to worry
about worry about it. How to end it because the
friend will be like, oh got it, yeah, and she
gives where she's from all that, But I am electing
to not share that because we're going to share details
in the email.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And we've changed some of the change something and.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Take some out. Yeah. Hi, Amy and Kat First, I
love you both. I'm a longtime BBS listener and I
was introduced to Kat through the Feeling Things podcast and
I just adore your friendship. I could use some advice
on setting a boundary or perhaps just how to end
a friendship. Let's call this friend Sarah. Lately, my husband
and I have been feeling pretty exhausted from this friendship.
(14:00):
We often feel we have to put it on an
act and can't be ourselves around them. Sarah's husband is
a little difficult to get along with. He often seems
like he's competing with my husband and makes snide remarks
and put downs about both of us. Example, he recently
walked into our home and the very first thing he
said was, Wow, these floors need to be changed. Who
(14:22):
does that? We always feel like we're the ones quote
playing nice. This came to a breaking point a few
weekends ago when we went on a camping trip together.
I planned the trip and picked the location, and both
Sarah and her husband complained the entire time. According to them,
it was way too crowded and too cold. There was
an unexpected cold front, not much we could do about that,
(14:43):
and my family was making the most of it. It
felt like we were managing their negativity the entire time.
After that trip, my husband and I reflected on the
fact that we almost never feel great around these friends
and we want to distance ourselves. However, I keep getting
text to coordinate more play days for the kids. How
do I end this friendship without creating drama? I have
(15:04):
a hard time not responding to text, but I also
don't feel like the friendship needs a clear this isn't
working for me anymore type of conversation. How would either
of you handle this? I hope you have the day
you need to have b Who so one?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
The floor comment really threw me off.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Who who?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
She even said it in the in the email? Who
does that? Who does do that?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean, could you imagine walking into somebody's house and
telling them that their floors need to be changed? The one?
The one? Maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny, still a little smile,
you can barely see it. Exception here might be is
if he works in flooring maybe and he's like, I
can give you a good deal, or I'll do them
(15:52):
for free, or he's heard them complain about their floors
and he also works in floyd.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I think that that would be the necessary part
of Like, you can't be the first one to say that.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, I think I figured it out. The only
way this is excusable is if he heard them complaining
about their floors and he also works in flooring, and
that was him walking into their house saying, Wow, these
floors do need to be changed.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I can help it for a discount.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I'll help you all out, no problem.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know. Weird. So she's saying that she doesn't
feel like she wants to have a super deep conversation
about this, and it also sounds like she doesn't want
to like repair or have a converrontation and fix the relationship,
which is fine. Like people get to choose what they
want to do with their friendships. I don't think it
has to be that difficult. I think you can just
(16:44):
become unavailable and it will be uncomfortable. I would say,
there's no way to handle this to not feel uncomfortable feelings.
You will feel uncomfortable feelings, but you have to also
look at, well, what a comfortable feeling do I want
to feel having to suck it up and spend time
with her, and it feel like I'm kind of wasting
my time sometimes and becoming more resentful or all of that,
(17:07):
or the discomfort of maybe disappointing somebody or letting somebody down,
or knowing that I can't manage this person's feelings and
she might have a feeling about me.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I saw Jefferson Fisher post something the other day about
turning down plans with someone where even if you do
want to go but you can't, sometimes we still over
explain ourselves, and so he's like, it works for that,
and I believe also he was mostly saying, too, it
works for if you don't want to do something with
(17:39):
that person and then you end up over explaining, but
you leave that window open and then they don't really
get the hint. Whatever the case. He was saying, be
direct with the first line of that you can't instead
of saying, oh, I would love to, but I have this,
this and this, so I can't make it out of
(18:00):
the gate, say oh, I can't make that, and then
you may follow up with thanks for thinking of me, period,
I can't I can't do that. Thanks for thinking me, period.
I can't do that. Thanks for thinking me, period. So
keep repeating that's but it's so simple, and you can
continue to do that, and then they may get the
message when you leave it with this long like oh, well,
(18:22):
I've got this, this, and this, and they're thinking, oh, well,
theave that's because they can't today. Maybe they'll well that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I would love to also, it's like, okay, well, let's
pick another day.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Exactly, you leave yourself open.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I like that, and I think even with that, I
would just be prepared because this person sounds like she
cares about people like I think that's also why you're
even asking how do I do this? You have to
just let go of the idea of she might have
a feeling, she might be sad or hurt or disappointed
or whatever, and that's okay, And our job is not
(18:54):
to manage other people's feelings. She's an adult and you're
an adult, and you have to take care of yourself first.
And also there's a reason behind why you're doing this.
It's not just because you just don't want to. There's
a reason why you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, And I think it's always good whether it's in
our relationship relationships, like if you've got other couples you
hang out with as a couple or just your friendships
one on one. Are there energy vampires? Yeah, which it
sounds like that's what they are. Like you went on
a camping trip, you're with your family. Yeah, some unexpected
weather came through, so you're making the best of it.
(19:32):
You still want to have a good time with your family.
They're sucking the life out of the weekend because they're negativity. Yeah,
and so you probably don't feel energized at all after
hanging out with them or feel excited to see them
again because it's so exhausting to be around them in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And what we didn't say because we took some of
this out. I think this is important when it comes
to like how she's handling this. This isn't like a
close friend who she's constantly in contact with.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
They are friends and kids are friends.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, it's like this is going to sound wrong, but
almost like a convenience. The way they became friends was
out of somewhat of convenience or just circumstances, and so
that's different than this is like this long standing friend,
or is this friend that I talk to every day,
then I would have more feelings around, Like you might
want to think about if you want to talk to
(20:27):
her about this before you just you know, head out.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
But yeah, that's right too. Thank you for clarifying that,
because some people might be confused by the last line
of her email, which said, this isn't one of those
relationships where I have to send a clear hey this
isn't working for me anymore type text or can't have
that type of conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Because they're not that close.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, but it is someone that they're I mean, if
you're going on a weekend camping trip, there are those
relationships where yeah, it's just convenient, Oh, our friends saying
our kids hang out, so like we should hang out.
Y'all are a couple. We're a couple. Yeah, we're human.
Y'all are human. You like to camp, We like to camp.
But I would question if they actually really liked camp
because part of camping is sometimes you have to deal
(21:09):
with unexpected weather situations.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, well good luck with that. You know, that's not
ever easy. And Kat gave some.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Good advice and so did you. I liked the well it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Was from Jefferson and I was paraphrasing. I don't even
know if I got it just right.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
He's listening. He's like, that's not what I said. I mean,
he's not listening.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
But yeah, did you know he speaking of listening to
the Bobby Bone Show because b said that she listens.
Jefferson grew up listening to the Bobby Bone Show. So
he's from Beaumont. Yeah, so Bobby went and did his
podcast and he was like, oh my gosh, I listened
y'all in Beaumont, like I know, and he Bobby said
that he asked about me and I said me specifically,
(21:51):
and he's like yeah, I was like, are you sure?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I felt like that was cool.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's really cool.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So then I posted him in my stories something and
I don't know if he still runs his account, Like
at this point, he's got six million followers to who knows.
I mean, I'm sure he does a lot, but maybe not.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He has six million followers, I think.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Six point five. He has blown up up, yeah, like
crazy so.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
He he's not, that's not him in the DMS.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
He replied to the DMS something like I reposted one
of his reels and then I commented like, oh, I
love this so much. And then his account or whomever
will pretend it's him. I was like, thanks, Amy, and
then I was like, huh is he following me now?
So then I go and I check, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I wouldn't take that personally, I bet, I bet that's
not well.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
No, I mean, I'm not taking it personally. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He knows you well.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And I was like, Bobby wouldn't make that up, would he.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He wouldn't, like you hope that he wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Well. One time, one time, Bobby was on filling in
on the Today Show with Jenna Bush and I don't
know if a Hodo was out. This was back a
couple of several years ago, maybe three or four, and
he went and he knows I went to high school
with Jenna and that we know each other.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You guys are like, but I mean I.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Have not, Yeah, but I haven't seen her since high school,
so you're talking twenty five years. Maybe I saw her
at a friend's funeral and we were in our early twenties.
So I haven't seen her in a very long time.
I haven't run into her anywhere, which is weird because
I run into other people. But I've not seen her
or spoken to her. But I know she would still remember.
(23:42):
And apparently she said something like how's Amy. Said it
to Bobby, she said it, How's Amy? And he was like,
he said, Amy, Amy?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Who? Wait?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And I was like, what, why did you do that?
That's so embarrassing?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Why did you do that? Wait?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
He said that he wasn't putting me and her together
because he wasn't thinking about that, and so he didn't
expect her to be asking about Amy. And I think,
what other Amy is in your life?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You ask him about an Amy, he should assume that
it is me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
He came back from that trip and told that story
on air, and I was I was like, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't think that looks bad on you. I think
that looks kind of just weird, Like what what do
you mean?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well? Yeah, well, what I was thinking is they're about
to go do a live TV show and maybe he
was just in like he was in the zone and
then he's caught off guard with someone he's in New York,
he's at the Today Show. He's not doing anything for
the Bobby Bone Show. Yeah, and then he has someone
say how's Amy that He's like, what Amy? And I'm like, well,
(24:46):
did you tell her? I'm fine. I really love who
she's turned into, Like she's done really well and she
may when I see her little clips on. Yeah, I
don't get to watch the Today Show because I'm working
during that. When I see their social stuff, like, she
makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
When you knew her? Did she know what she wanted
to do when she grew around? Was this expected of her?
Or was are you like, oh wow? Because what'd she
do before she was on the Today Show?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I don't know, good question. I know, maybe I don't.
I think it's in alignment with her. I mean, she's
was very outgoing and had a really good personality and
her their mom was a librarian. They were both very smart,
Barbara and Jenna. They were twins or they were they are,
but they both were together.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I mean, her mom was a librarian.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They've always loved books. They're both very smart, so that
she's a book club now now I'm still holding my
books as we record this. Uh yeah, but her being
into reading and forming a book club, and even like,
I think she she wrote a kid's book, right, I
don't know. I think she wrote a book. Maybe did
(25:56):
she do it with her sister? I don't know. I
didn't plan on talking about any of this, so I
hadn't really thought about it. But that was just one
of those things where I was thinking of when Bobby
tells me certain people ask about me that because either
from the past or if they've listened to the show
and like, shut up, they listen.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're somebody who like doesn't realize that people listen listen
and know who you are. You're like, wait, what, which
is kind of sweet, I think, But also I have
a question that doesn't come up. Yeah, I kind of
know the answer to this, okay, but I'm gonna ask anyway,
would you be interested in or have you ever wanted
(26:34):
I know you do live radio, but would you ever
want to be on a live talk show like a
talk show host?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah? That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, why are you saying that like that? You're saying
it like I have something in the works.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
No, I don't know, but I kind of thought there
was a moment I was trying to manifest it a
little bit like when Jenna was doing her Jenna and
Friends before she found she has a co host now,
but there was a season where she was having people
come fill in. And again, I'm not friends with Jena anymore.
I haven't seen her in so long. But also they
(27:09):
were having famous people come to it, and then I
don't think I fit into that category of someone that
could come fill in. How famous, Like I don't remember
who filled in, but like Halle Berry or something. I
don't know. I'm just throwing someone out there, but someone
like that like I've remember seeing, but all kinds of
people cool.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You're like like waiting for my DM.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
But I tried to do a little I'm just gonna
put that out there. I mean I didn't speak at vocally,
but in my own little manifestations. I thought that would
be so cool if I got a phone call from
the Today Show and they were like, we're doing this
thing Gena and Friends.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm like, I know, I'm in.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I manifested this. I knew you were gonna call. Plus
fun fact, Jena and I used to run together in
high school, so you're friends.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm sorry, So we would have.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Good I think we would have good dynamic. And then
I was contemplating if I would tell that story of
one time when Jena called the devil. I was like,
probably shouldn't because she was being playful. She didn't really
think I was the devil. It's just that we had
gone to bed really late and we signed up for
a fun run and we registered and I wanted to
(28:15):
go do the fun run and it was a five
k and it started. We had to leave my dad's
house at like seven in the morning. But again we
had been up really late and she didn't want to go,
and I was like, wake up, we sign up for this,
I want to go run. And she was asleep and
that she remember like throwing the covers over her head
and she's like, you're the devil. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Maybe this is why she didn't ask you, what do you.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Think she remembers doing that?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
She might and then guess what.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Guess what? We went to the run and I have
a picture.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Did you win?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
We looked terrible? No, we didn't win, but we look
I mean, I think we were both glad in the
end that we did it, because it's like, yay, we
got up and we ran our five k but we're
like smiling.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But we look inside you're not rough.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
It's in one of my little you know. I used
to make scrap books of in high school and I
would cut the pictures out and like pile everything on
top of each other. And that's one of the I
think even my kids were going through it one day
and they saw that picture just of me. They didn't
even know who Jenna was or that that who like
at all?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Why do you look like?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But they're like, whoa is that you? And I was
like seven am high school. We were up late. I
probably had some totina totitos. Totitos?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What are they are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Okay, probably it was maybe both, yes, yea. So my
dad he used to always had those in his freezer
and I who knows the sodium account and those bad boys.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But I lived off of those high school, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And my dad always had the best food. My my
dad's wife. I was about to say stepmom, but whatever,
stepmom dad's wife during that time, she would eat nutter butters.
Those are the peanut butter the peanut butter cookies, doesn't it?
But what are the ones? Nutty Buddy Nutty Buddy, Yeah,
the chocolate ones. Let the little Debbie would She would
drink a coke, a regular Coca Cola, not even diet,
(30:06):
and eat a little Debbie's Nutty Buddy for breakfast. And
she was tiny.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I feel like that's also my grandma was kind of
like that. She would eat like a Fifth Avenue bar
for dinner, which I don't even know what's in a
Fifth Autiue bar, but she always had him in her fridge.
And she was also a petite lady.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, so then I thought, well, all to the same,
it's no problem. But then I would eat like four
nutty Buddies. It didn't really work out for me.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Different dreams done.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, be good luck with your friend and Leslie. Thank
you so much for the book res And when Kat
and I return from our friend's trip that we deserve
to have, we will give a little book review because
Kat also has strangers, so we're gonna do a little
mini book club and if you listen to Feeling Things
on Tuesday, we're gonna watch some movie ease and we'll
(31:01):
report back. We're also going to do Canyon Ranch things.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Like should we have like a count of how many
times I cry on this trip.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yes, we're going to do a little star chart for
your tears. Yeah, So, if y'all haven't listened to Tuesdays,
go back and listen to that episode. It's cute, the
silly little star chart. You'll know what we're talking about.
And we hope whatever you have going on this weekend,
this summer weekend. Isn't it weird that podcasts live forever,
(31:28):
So someone might be listening to this in the future,
like in December, because they'll have just found us and
they're like so, they're like, it's December.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
They could be listening to this in three years from now.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So if that's you, hi, we already went on our trip.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We already went our trip three years ago. It was
so good.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Okay, well, we hope you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Have the day you need to have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
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It so cute the way you said that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Well, I was like, oh, can we start recording yet?
Because I just slammed a couple of cookies and they're
the sa ones that tastes like strawberry and cream. Yeah,
but they're not called strawberries and cream unless strawberries and
Spanish are fresh sauce. How do you spell that fresh
sauce and cream?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Let me look up with strawberry, and my eight.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Years of Spanish isn't allowing me to remember any fruit
right now in espaniol.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I don't know that I remember anything.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I don't think I can remember any fruit, like nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Oh that is strawberry and Spanish perfect.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So the fresh sauce and cream to me, that might
be the best siete cookie. The little the little cookies
they make, yeah, the popular one. I think the first
one they ever put out was like a wedding cookie.
They're white, and then yeah, they have cinnamon, and then
they started making chocolate chip. I don't know it's evolved,
(01:49):
but I gotta.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Say, well, fun fact. If you guys are not subscribed
to our newsletter, last week I sent out a strawberry
cream cheese cake recipe that I make every year for
Patrick's Bird.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
I saw that, isn't it Pauladines?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, so you know it's good.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
But I was confused because I opened the newsletter to
read it because I'm like, oh, fun. It is fun
when you have a newsletter and it ends up in
your email and you're like there there she is. It worked?
Was it clickable?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah? It should have been clickable.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Where were we supposed to click the picture. I clicked
the picture. Okay, well, I don't know if anything happened.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Let me double check it. Because this cool thing about
the future of the newsletter we use is it reviews it.
So if I put there has to be a link
to everything, and so it should tell me if there's
not a link. Okay, but let me double check. I
did this kind of as a test to see if
my husband read the newsletter because she.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Put him in it. You put his picture in it.
I thought I was like, oh, there's Patrick blowing out
his birthday candles, and.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I knew he'd be like, why did you do that?
But he never brought it up, so I know for
she's read our newsletter, but I'm like, you at least
need to open it so it helps our open rate.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, rude.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Anyway, so that backfired on me or did it backfire
in him? Really?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
M mmmm time hotel. Well, so a quick solution to
if the link didn't work for you, as you can
just google Pauladine's strawberry cake cake.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
It's pretty simple for it being like a homemade cake
that uses real fresh us mm.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Hmm, real press us press us and cream. So we've
got an email from Leslie that I'm going to start
off with, and I am y'all can't see me right now,
but I'm my books because I ordered a bunch of
books for our trip and I'm holding them, and Leslie's
email is about books, and then I'm going to share
(03:52):
with y'all about my books. I like show and tell
even though the friend today. Hey ladies, I have a
couple of book recommendations for your trip. I just finished
Mad Woman. I was hooked immediately and couldn't put it down.
It's a mystery and it felt so real, but warning,
(04:13):
it does talk a lot about domestic violence. I'm currently
reading the book Club for Troublesome Women. I wasn't sure
I would like it, but it's very good. It follows
for women and it's set in the nineteen sixties before
women's rights. It takes a serious topic but makes it
light and even funny. Get you thinking for sure. Both
light and easy reads, perfect for vac Have the friend's
(04:35):
trip you all deserve to have, Leslie, age forty. I
love her little twist on how the day you need
to have, because we sure do need to have the
friend's trip that we deserve to have. We deserve it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Gosh darn it, gosh darn it.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And Kat and I are the same. We vacation the same.
I mean, besides the travel part, like Kat wants to
be at the airport way early and she has travel anxiety.
That part we're not the same. But how we want
to vak and be in the hotel room and the
activities we want to do and stuff we want to
(05:09):
talk about. It's like I don't ever have to worry, like, oh,
Cat's probably not gonna like that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
It's like what we're planning, like a spa something the
other day and I was like, well, if we go
at this time, then no. You said, if you go
at this time, then we're going to be eating dinner
really late. And I was like, you're right, we should
eat dinner at five. And then you looked at me
and you said, and then we go back to our
room and watch a movie. Yes, that's exactly what I
(05:34):
want to do.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Perfect. So I am holding in my hand Da da
da da da Julie or Leslie. Leslie emailed us. I
think we had another something from a Julie.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Julie sent an email that made me cry.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Oh yeah, So that was on this Week's Feeling Things
if you missed that episode. On Tuesday, Julie sent the
sweetest email and Kat started crying every other sentence, and
it was it was really precious. The book Club for
Troublesome Women, Leslie. Before I even got your email, I'd
(06:11):
already ordered this, so now you are just confirming my
excitement to read it. I love when a book comes
as a good endorsement, and I love the words both
light and easy reads perfect for VAKA, which I don't
know for sure that I'll end up reading this on VAK,
but I wanted to have options.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I was going to ask you have a lot of books.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
These are all the ones I ordered as potential vacation.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But you're not bringing them all right.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I'm going to have to make a decision because no,
I don't want to lug them in my carry on.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And you won't be reading one book a day.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
No, I'm going to do one book like I've got
to pick one. But I think I've narrowed it down
and I'll tell you which one I'm going to go with.
So I guess I do know, Leslie. I'm not going
to be reading on vacation, but I love that it's
giving vak vibes, and that it's the light read, because
that's what I want. And when I get back from Vaca,
I actually could take two because after Arizona, I'm going
to Colorado and I'm gonna be on airplanes a.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Lot, so I would actually take two just in case.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Every summer after this was endorsed by Emily Henry. She said,
a radiant debut. Or is that an endorsement or just
a little review.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's an endorsement, that's all she.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Wrote, A radiant debut, Emily Henry. So the the author
is Carly Fortune, and because it had Emily Henry endorsement,
I figured it would give Emily Henry vibes, and so
I ordered it. I have really nothing else to say
about that. My next one is yours truly, Abby Jeminaz
(07:55):
or Jimenez.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think that would be Jimenez Jimenez.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, so the jay is silent silent, Sorry about that, Abby,
I didn't know, uh, yours truly. It had sixteen thousand,
four and a half to five star reviews and for
Amazon Prime Days, this book was seven bucks. So I
ordered it and it had like people just loved it
(08:22):
and they thought it was super cute, so they got.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That that's a thick book. Yeah, what's the font?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Like, Oh, let's check it out.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's normal.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It's normal. If it was small, then I would be
a little overwhelmed. But it's a novel of terrible first impressions,
hilarious second chances, and the joy in finding your perfect match.
From the New York Times or Number one New York
Times best selling author Part of your World. Anybody read that?
I haven't, dang, should I have started with that? I
(08:53):
know they're not the same, but sometimes they like to
go in the order of what the author put out
like in their career. This is what I think. I'm good.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's just as funny. You're talking like you're this like
avid reader. You've been reading for years, and earlier today
you said that you've read more books this year we're
six months in than you ever have in your whole life.
In the facts and you're like, yeah, normally I like
to do this. It's like, believe me, normally this is
like a brand new thing for you.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Historically speaking, I like to approach my reading with this method.
I know, and now I have all these books in
my room and Kat's like, what are you to do
with all those? You're just like, we need to build
you a little library and be like, yeah, I'm gonna
the Dewey decimal system so you know where to find stuff.
But I think so I'll probably go with one of
(09:43):
these three as my second. Okay, because in the number
one draft pick for VAK is a memoir. It's nonfiction.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wait, I didn't know it was a memoir. I missed
this part. It says it on the book.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Doesn't it a memoir of marriage?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It does?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You? Did you know it was nonfiction?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I think you actually said that, but it didn't click.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Okay, because these other three that I'm holding all fiction,
and in fact, this year that's been the majority of
my roots. Yeah, all of them, they've been So this
maybe that's why I'm eager to Oh, somebody's story that's
like real. This is called Strangers and it's by Bell Burdon.
(10:27):
All I know is people are talking about this book
all over the place, from like Oprah Book Club to
friends that are texting me about it. So that's the spectrum.
Like my friend's on text all the way to Oprah
and everybody in between. And she writes about her divorce,
(10:49):
which I believe she was completely blindsided by she thought
she had a healthyish or normal type marriage, and one
day her husband came to her and said, and she
shares what she learned in that season and reflecting on
maybe what she missed, and then also speaks to the
(11:10):
financial situation some women get put in when they are
in a marriage for a very long time and they
think they're going to stay married forever, and then he
just leaves.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, you've also convinced me to buy this book. I've
already bought it.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
This is not what you thought it was about, now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
That you're talking to me about it, this does not
feel like a light, breezy vacation read. This feels more.
I mean, I want to read it. But is this
the book we want to relax to? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So what is it called? The little Snippets? I was
calling an endorsement, but is that what it is? Okay?
So an endorsement on here says an instant classic Strangers
is gripping and heartbreaking and I must read for every
wife and husband. Another endorse a beautifully written eulogy for
the loss of a relationship that had been loving traditional
(12:02):
in the best unironic sense. Of the word riveting reading
for its heart rendering candor. Yeah, I mean I think
it's a fascinating story. Obviously she did a good job
with However, she shared what she was going through because
I don't think that many people would be talking about it.
It's just I want a book that I can really
(12:22):
get into. Devour by the Pool, and I feel like,
you know, since I've done that. Historically speaking, it's always
what you do, incations, what I do? You know me?
So these are the books in Leslie. Thank you so
much for your email and for the encouragement to have
(12:43):
the friend's trip that we deserve to have. Next email is, ugh,
this is one where I don't know if we should
say her name, so.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
I'm just going to call her be Your fear is that.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's about a friendship, and I just feel like, what
if somebody hears.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
It, which I do love airy on the side of caution,
but she did say you could use her name, and
my thought is she's asking about what to do with
her friendship, and if the friend hears this, then like pshposh, we've.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
We handle It's handle it. She doesn't need to worry
about worry about it. How to end it because the
friend will be like, oh got it, yeah, and she
gives where she's from all that, But I am electing
to not share that because we're going to share details
in the email.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And we've changed some of the change something and.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Take some out. Yeah. Hi, Amy and Kat First, I
love you both. I'm a longtime BBS listener and I
was introduced to Kat through the Feeling Things podcast and
I just adore your friendship. I could use some advice
on setting a boundary or perhaps just how to end
a friendship. Let's call this friend Sarah. Lately, my husband
and I have been feeling pretty exhausted from this friendship.
(14:00):
We often feel we have to put it on an
act and can't be ourselves around them. Sarah's husband is
a little difficult to get along with. He often seems
like he's competing with my husband and makes snide remarks
and put downs about both of us. Example, he recently
walked into our home and the very first thing he
said was, Wow, these floors need to be changed. Who
(14:22):
does that? We always feel like we're the ones quote
playing nice. This came to a breaking point a few
weekends ago when we went on a camping trip together.
I planned the trip and picked the location, and both
Sarah and her husband complained the entire time. According to them,
it was way too crowded and too cold. There was
an unexpected cold front, not much we could do about that,
(14:43):
and my family was making the most of it. It
felt like we were managing their negativity the entire time.
After that trip, my husband and I reflected on the
fact that we almost never feel great around these friends
and we want to distance ourselves. However, I keep getting
text to coordinate more play days for the kids. How
do I end this friendship without creating drama? I have
(15:04):
a hard time not responding to text, but I also
don't feel like the friendship needs a clear this isn't
working for me anymore type of conversation. How would either
of you handle this? I hope you have the day
you need to have b Who so one?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
The floor comment really threw me off.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Who who?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
She even said it in the in the email? Who
does that? Who does do that?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
I mean, could you imagine walking into somebody's house and
telling them that their floors need to be changed? The one?
The one? Maybe itsy bitsy, teeny tiny, still a little smile,
you can barely see it. Exception here might be is
if he works in flooring maybe and he's like, I
can give you a good deal, or I'll do them
(15:52):
for free, or he's heard them complain about their floors
and he also works in floyd.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, I think that that would be the necessary part
of Like, you can't be the first one to say that.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah, okay, I think I figured it out. The only
way this is excusable is if he heard them complaining
about their floors and he also works in flooring, and
that was him walking into their house saying, Wow, these
floors do need to be changed.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I can help it for a discount.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Yeah, I'll help you all out, no problem.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I don't know. Weird. So she's saying that she doesn't
feel like she wants to have a super deep conversation
about this, and it also sounds like she doesn't want
to like repair or have a converrontation and fix the relationship,
which is fine. Like people get to choose what they
want to do with their friendships. I don't think it
has to be that difficult. I think you can just
(16:44):
become unavailable and it will be uncomfortable. I would say,
there's no way to handle this to not feel uncomfortable feelings.
You will feel uncomfortable feelings, but you have to also
look at, well, what a comfortable feeling do I want
to feel having to suck it up and spend time
with her, and it feel like I'm kind of wasting
my time sometimes and becoming more resentful or all of that,
(17:07):
or the discomfort of maybe disappointing somebody or letting somebody down,
or knowing that I can't manage this person's feelings and
she might have a feeling about me.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I saw Jefferson Fisher post something the other day about
turning down plans with someone where even if you do
want to go but you can't, sometimes we still over
explain ourselves, and so he's like, it works for that,
and I believe also he was mostly saying, too, it
works for if you don't want to do something with
(17:39):
that person and then you end up over explaining, but
you leave that window open and then they don't really
get the hint. Whatever the case. He was saying, be
direct with the first line of that you can't instead
of saying, oh, I would love to, but I have this,
this and this, so I can't make it out of
(18:00):
the gate, say oh, I can't make that, and then
you may follow up with thanks for thinking of me, period,
I can't I can't do that. Thanks for thinking me, period.
I can't do that. Thanks for thinking me, period. So
keep repeating that's but it's so simple, and you can
continue to do that, and then they may get the
message when you leave it with this long like oh, well,
(18:22):
I've got this, this, and this, and they're thinking, oh, well,
theave that's because they can't today. Maybe they'll well that.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I would love to also, it's like, okay, well, let's
pick another day.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Exactly, you leave yourself open.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I like that, and I think even with that, I
would just be prepared because this person sounds like she
cares about people like I think that's also why you're
even asking how do I do this? You have to
just let go of the idea of she might have
a feeling, she might be sad or hurt or disappointed
or whatever, and that's okay, And our job is not
(18:54):
to manage other people's feelings. She's an adult and you're
an adult, and you have to take care of yourself first.
And also there's a reason behind why you're doing this.
It's not just because you just don't want to. There's
a reason why you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Well, And I think it's always good whether it's in
our relationship relationships, like if you've got other couples you
hang out with as a couple or just your friendships
one on one. Are there energy vampires? Yeah, which it
sounds like that's what they are. Like you went on
a camping trip, you're with your family. Yeah, some unexpected
weather came through, so you're making the best of it.
(19:32):
You still want to have a good time with your family.
They're sucking the life out of the weekend because they're negativity. Yeah,
and so you probably don't feel energized at all after
hanging out with them or feel excited to see them
again because it's so exhausting to be around them in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
And what we didn't say because we took some of
this out. I think this is important when it comes
to like how she's handling this. This isn't like a
close friend who she's constantly in contact with.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
They are friends and kids are friends.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, it's like this is going to sound wrong, but
almost like a convenience. The way they became friends was
out of somewhat of convenience or just circumstances, and so
that's different than this is like this long standing friend,
or is this friend that I talk to every day,
then I would have more feelings around, Like you might
want to think about if you want to talk to
(20:27):
her about this before you just you know, head out.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
But yeah, that's right too. Thank you for clarifying that,
because some people might be confused by the last line
of her email, which said, this isn't one of those
relationships where I have to send a clear hey this
isn't working for me anymore type text or can't have
that type of conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Because they're not that close.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, but it is someone that they're I mean, if
you're going on a weekend camping trip, there are those
relationships where yeah, it's just convenient, Oh, our friends saying
our kids hang out, so like we should hang out.
Y'all are a couple. We're a couple. Yeah, we're human.
Y'all are human. You like to camp, We like to camp.
But I would question if they actually really liked camp
because part of camping is sometimes you have to deal
(21:09):
with unexpected weather situations.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Yeah, well good luck with that. You know, that's not
ever easy. And Kat gave some.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Good advice and so did you. I liked the well it.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Was from Jefferson and I was paraphrasing. I don't even
know if I got it just right.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
He's listening. He's like, that's not what I said. I mean,
he's not listening.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
But yeah, did you know he speaking of listening to
the Bobby Bone Show because b said that she listens.
Jefferson grew up listening to the Bobby Bone Show. So
he's from Beaumont. Yeah, so Bobby went and did his
podcast and he was like, oh my gosh, I listened
y'all in Beaumont, like I know, and he Bobby said
that he asked about me and I said me specifically,
(21:51):
and he's like yeah, I was like, are you sure?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
How do you feel?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I felt like that was cool.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's really cool.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So then I posted him in my stories something and
I don't know if he still runs his account, Like
at this point, he's got six million followers to who knows.
I mean, I'm sure he does a lot, but maybe not.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
He has six million followers, I think.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Six point five. He has blown up up, yeah, like
crazy so.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
He he's not, that's not him in the DMS.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
He replied to the DMS something like I reposted one
of his reels and then I commented like, oh, I
love this so much. And then his account or whomever
will pretend it's him. I was like, thanks, Amy, and
then I was like, huh is he following me now?
So then I go and I check, and he's not.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
I wouldn't take that personally, I bet, I bet that's
not well.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
No, I mean, I'm not taking it personally. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He knows you well.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And I was like, Bobby wouldn't make that up, would he.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He wouldn't, like you hope that he wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Well. One time, one time, Bobby was on filling in
on the Today Show with Jenna Bush and I don't
know if a Hodo was out. This was back a
couple of several years ago, maybe three or four, and
he went and he knows I went to high school
with Jenna and that we know each other.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You guys are like, but I mean I.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Have not, Yeah, but I haven't seen her since high school,
so you're talking twenty five years. Maybe I saw her
at a friend's funeral and we were in our early twenties.
So I haven't seen her in a very long time.
I haven't run into her anywhere, which is weird because
I run into other people. But I've not seen her
or spoken to her. But I know she would still remember.
(23:42):
And apparently she said something like how's Amy. Said it
to Bobby, she said it, How's Amy? And he was like,
he said, Amy, Amy?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Who? Wait?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
And I was like, what, why did you do that?
That's so embarrassing?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Why did you do that? Wait?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
He said that he wasn't putting me and her together
because he wasn't thinking about that, and so he didn't
expect her to be asking about Amy. And I think,
what other Amy is in your life?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
You ask him about an Amy, he should assume that
it is me.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I know.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
He came back from that trip and told that story
on air, and I was I was like, Bobby.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I don't think that looks bad on you. I think
that looks kind of just weird, Like what what do
you mean?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Well? Yeah, well, what I was thinking is they're about
to go do a live TV show and maybe he
was just in like he was in the zone and
then he's caught off guard with someone he's in New York,
he's at the Today Show. He's not doing anything for
the Bobby Bone Show. Yeah, and then he has someone
say how's Amy that He's like, what Amy? And I'm like, well,
(24:46):
did you tell her? I'm fine. I really love who
she's turned into, Like she's done really well and she
may when I see her little clips on. Yeah, I
don't get to watch the Today Show because I'm working
during that. When I see their social stuff, like, she
makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
When you knew her? Did she know what she wanted
to do when she grew around? Was this expected of her?
Or was are you like, oh wow? Because what'd she
do before she was on the Today Show?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I don't know, good question. I know, maybe I don't.
I think it's in alignment with her. I mean, she's
was very outgoing and had a really good personality and
her their mom was a librarian. They were both very smart,
Barbara and Jenna. They were twins or they were they are,
but they both were together.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I mean, her mom was a librarian.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They've always loved books. They're both very smart, so that
she's a book club now now I'm still holding my
books as we record this. Uh yeah, but her being
into reading and forming a book club, and even like,
I think she she wrote a kid's book, right, I
don't know. I think she wrote a book. Maybe did
(25:56):
she do it with her sister? I don't know. I
didn't plan on talking about any of this, so I
hadn't really thought about it. But that was just one
of those things where I was thinking of when Bobby
tells me certain people ask about me that because either
from the past or if they've listened to the show
and like, shut up, they listen.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're somebody who like doesn't realize that people listen listen
and know who you are. You're like, wait, what, which
is kind of sweet, I think, But also I have
a question that doesn't come up. Yeah, I kind of
know the answer to this, okay, but I'm gonna ask anyway,
would you be interested in or have you ever wanted
(26:34):
I know you do live radio, but would you ever
want to be on a live talk show like a
talk show host?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah? That would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, why are you saying that like that? You're saying
it like I have something in the works.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
No, I don't know, but I kind of thought there
was a moment I was trying to manifest it a
little bit like when Jenna was doing her Jenna and
Friends before she found she has a co host now,
but there was a season where she was having people
come fill in. And again, I'm not friends with Jena anymore.
I haven't seen her in so long. But also they
(27:09):
were having famous people come to it, and then I
don't think I fit into that category of someone that
could come fill in. How famous, Like I don't remember
who filled in, but like Halle Berry or something. I
don't know. I'm just throwing someone out there, but someone
like that like I've remember seeing, but all kinds of
people cool.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
You're like like waiting for my DM.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
But I tried to do a little I'm just gonna
put that out there. I mean I didn't speak at vocally,
but in my own little manifestations. I thought that would
be so cool if I got a phone call from
the Today Show and they were like, we're doing this
thing Gena and Friends.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm like, I know, I'm in.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
I manifested this. I knew you were gonna call. Plus
fun fact, Jena and I used to run together in
high school, so you're friends.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I'm sorry, So we would have.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Good I think we would have good dynamic. And then
I was contemplating if I would tell that story of
one time when Jena called the devil. I was like,
probably shouldn't because she was being playful. She didn't really
think I was the devil. It's just that we had
gone to bed really late and we signed up for
a fun run and we registered and I wanted to
(28:15):
go do the fun run and it was a five
k and it started. We had to leave my dad's
house at like seven in the morning. But again we
had been up really late and she didn't want to go,
and I was like, wake up, we sign up for this,
I want to go run. And she was asleep and
that she remember like throwing the covers over her head
and she's like, you're the devil. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Maybe this is why she didn't ask you, what do you.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Think she remembers doing that?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
She might and then guess what.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Guess what? We went to the run and I have
a picture.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Did you win?
Speaker 4 (28:40):
We looked terrible? No, we didn't win, but we look
I mean, I think we were both glad in the
end that we did it, because it's like, yay, we
got up and we ran our five k but we're
like smiling.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But we look inside you're not rough.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
It's in one of my little you know. I used
to make scrap books of in high school and I
would cut the pictures out and like pile everything on
top of each other. And that's one of the I
think even my kids were going through it one day
and they saw that picture just of me. They didn't
even know who Jenna was or that that who like
at all?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Why do you look like?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
But they're like, whoa is that you? And I was
like seven am high school. We were up late. I
probably had some totina totitos. Totitos?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
What are they are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Okay, probably it was maybe both, yes, yea. So my
dad he used to always had those in his freezer
and I who knows the sodium account and those bad boys.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But I lived off of those high school, I feel like.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And my dad always had the best food. My my
dad's wife. I was about to say stepmom, but whatever,
stepmom dad's wife during that time, she would eat nutter butters.
Those are the peanut butter the peanut butter cookies, doesn't it?
But what are the ones? Nutty Buddy Nutty Buddy, Yeah,
the chocolate ones. Let the little Debbie would She would
drink a coke, a regular Coca Cola, not even diet,
(30:06):
and eat a little Debbie's Nutty Buddy for breakfast. And
she was tiny.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I feel like that's also my grandma was kind of
like that. She would eat like a Fifth Avenue bar
for dinner, which I don't even know what's in a
Fifth Autiue bar, but she always had him in her fridge.
And she was also a petite lady.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah, so then I thought, well, all to the same,
it's no problem. But then I would eat like four
nutty Buddies. It didn't really work out for me.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Different dreams done.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Well, be good luck with your friend and Leslie. Thank
you so much for the book res And when Kat
and I return from our friend's trip that we deserve
to have, we will give a little book review because
Kat also has strangers, so we're gonna do a little
mini book club and if you listen to Feeling Things
on Tuesday, we're gonna watch some movie ease and we'll
(31:01):
report back. We're also going to do Canyon Ranch things.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Like should we have like a count of how many
times I cry on this trip.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yes, we're going to do a little star chart for
your tears. Yeah, So, if y'all haven't listened to Tuesdays,
go back and listen to that episode. It's cute, the
silly little star chart. You'll know what we're talking about.
And we hope whatever you have going on this weekend,
this summer weekend. Isn't it weird that podcasts live forever,
(31:28):
So someone might be listening to this in the future,
like in December, because they'll have just found us and
they're like so, they're like, it's December.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
They could be listening to this in three years from now.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
So if that's you, hi, we already went on our trip.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
We already went our trip three years ago. It was
so good.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Okay, well, we hope you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Have the day you need to have.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Bye Bye,
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