Today, we welcome Jo Dee Messina who has the first new music out in 10 years! She talked about how it feels to finally be sharing new material. She and Amy sing her biggest hits together. Jo Dee gives us an update on her health after beating cancer. She also discusses her life as a marathon runner, the surprising reason she was once turned down for a record deal, and how she selects her TikTok video trend ideas.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
On the Bobby Bones Show.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now, yeah, did you say that?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I thought you said it.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It didn't sound like an echo something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We have a lot of stuff to talk about. I
would first, have you seen the video that I made you?
Never mind? Never mind?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Never no? No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
If you haven't seen it yet, then maybe you're not
supposed to know about it.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Oh, I'm not supposed to know about it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, it's not the anniversary of your record. Never mind.
I'm not saying I'm not going to say anything about it.
I just shouldn't have said anything. I was just gonna
make a point about something. How you doing, Jody.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
A minute?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You're about to have a big anniversary for your first album?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How many years?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thirty?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, which is pretty great. And so if you haven't
seen it yet, I will tell you. I did a
whole video talking about it and what it meant to
me and all of that. But if you haven't seen
it yet, one day you'll see it. I haven't seen it, Okay,
then I'll just leave it there. It was only me, okay, Okay.
I have a lot of questions for you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh go go, I'm ready. I'm ready. First of all,
you know I love you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I could not hold a mirror up and say it
back to you one hundred times over. So you're so awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Same to you, and I follow you and I just
support you.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You've gotten messages for me than you can I do.
I just said, you're just such a jewel.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, thank you. This is not about me. I want
to make it about you.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, let's make it about you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What is it? Is it cool to be like TikTok
famous because you are you are. Your stuff goes viral
all the time. People love you on TikTok. It's like
a whole new age of people that get to like
experience what we got to experience.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The crazy dances, it's just all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well we have a fun thing we and we haven't
put it up yet. But last weekend we played in
California and the guy that choreographed all the snow back
when I always like had Dancer is it Everything lived
out there and he choreographed a new dance to one
of the hits, and so we recorded that while we
were out doing a festival this weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Your stuff pops?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, like you do you do? You keep track of
what your videos do, like.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like seventy sometimes.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But it's we're moving so fast and now everything's getting
really busy.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So and this is the first record, like new new music, right.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yes, in a long time, over ten years now. I
released something I think in.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Twenty fourteen, not a full record though, like just like
a go fundme or whatever. It was a kickstarter.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I don't even know what they's doing business, I don't know,
so something like that, but a major release label thing.
The last thing that came out I think was my
give it I'm bus said, was it two thousand and seven?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What does it feel like to put out a new
project because it's been again we have done a full project.
Is there are their nerves? Is it excitement? Is it both?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Both?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Are there expectations other people?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know, just other people have expectations for it, and
so you don't want to let people down, especially those
that are working really hard on it, you know, and
with the marketing and the promotion and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I'm just happy to be here, Bobby, you know
that Earth or in the studio just.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The studio of course and Earth No literally every morning.
I mean I'm like, this morning I sat outside and
I was like, God, thank you for today.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I get today.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, today's big da because of the singles out. Yes,
the new album will be out the summer, but the
new song is out, and so we're going to play
some bridges.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It will. Yes, it feels like a wisdom song it is.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, you know, we grew up as you're growing up
or always told you know, don't be burning bridges.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Don't burn bridges.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
You know, oh I know they you know, like with
my kids, I'm like, don't don't be rude to those
hockey players in rec hockey because you don't want to
burn those bridges because they'll probably on your team next year.
Or you know, be respectful to the coach. Don't be
burning bridges because you know you might run into them. Whatever,
and we're told, don't burn bridges you because you're not
going to find your way back. And or if you
(04:12):
take chances, which is so funny because I'm looking at
your book and fail until you don't if you don't
take chance.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
If you take.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Chances, oh you're gonna you know, you might end up
off track. You know, you might make a mistake, you
might fail. And it's like you sometimes you have to fail,
you know, sometimes you and sometimes you have to burn
bridges if they lead you back to a place that
is harmful to you or where you lose yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's not it's not worthy.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did you feel like this was the single when you
wrote it? Or did you get all the songs together
and then go this is the one?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Bobby?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Did we send you a link for the album?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Why do you say that it's loaded?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I let someone else pick it because I was like,
oh I love this one. Oh I love this one.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh I love this So I was, yeah, They're like, boom,
let's come out with this one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But so I wasn't Yeah, okay, So I have other
things to talk about. I want to go to Amy first.
What song comes to mind? If I just say, Jody Messina,
what's what song first comes to mind? Of all of them?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I mean, it's got to be heads Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Would you think that's common? Is it? Most? Is it
is that with most people? Because I think bye Bye
to Me is the one that comes to mind first,
good one.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I was trying to see if another would come to me,
But then that wouldn't be fair because then that the
first one was Heads Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What do you think the first one is the people?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Probably right now, Heads Carolina because of its resurgence.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, because of its resurgence and ah with Cole.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
But but if you look at you know what people
are playing from my catalog, I think Bye Bye was first.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Then I'm alright, Then Heads Carolina is, Yeah, there's a
lot of them. Then less and stampside me on the.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Rain sings all your songs back Amy and here Amy,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh, somebody's gonna give you lesson and leave some bad
He's gonna give you back you and and I'm around
to watch you knock it down.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, I threw you off.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Sorry, No, it's no trust me. You didn't throw trust me.
That's not it at all. Are you still living away
from here?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I live here? No, now, I went I didn't. I
don't talk about this a lot, but.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Don't you it's you? No, no, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I had a lot to Georgia for a few years.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I went down there Originally, Cancer Treatment Centers of America
was down there. They had one in Atlanta and one
in Minneapolis. Don't exist anymore, but anyways, that's why I
went there, and I was there for a few years,
and now I'm back.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
How's your how's your health?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's good right now?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah? Yea monitoring always.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Once a year.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
No, No, I'm to the point where it's once a year.
I go on and get checked the blood work and
scans if needed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
How do you feel physically?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Good days?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Not good days?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, well, the day after leg day or the second
day after leg day.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I train every day for a train every day for what? No, wait,
train like lift? No?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know for did I say that? And I tell
them my train? They're like, why are you training? And
I'm like, I don't know, apocalypse No.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
He but you act like you're training to be a
pro athlete, like we're it's like we're training for life,
like osteoporosis.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Well, actually I'm going for a look but longer, a
lot longer, and I wanted it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Was projecting right there.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'm well, lifting is very important for our bone house,
its women.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
It's and just yeah, I have kids and you'll you'll
find this out. It's a lot of energy to came
up with them. So yeah, and I'm going to start
running with my fourteen year old. I used to be
a big time runner. I ran Boston Marathon.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Chicago Way.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I didn't qualify Bobby ran I was invited to run
because I'm from Boston, so.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I would never have qualified.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm wait, too slow. What was your time? I was
If you.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Go look at that year, I am the second to last,
only before my brother, who let me cross the line first.
Because they cut it off at six hours. I think
we're five hours and fifty nine minutes. I pulled my
it ban at mile six, so I'd have to stop
every like mile or so and let my leg loosen up,
let that muscle loosen up, and then start again.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I did finish.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Did you see them shutting down and you're just trying
to beat them shutting down, taking all the all the
stuff off. I think they were waiting, but.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They're like, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Because there was like news cruise when I crossed the
finish line, and that was the last thing you want
to do is talk to somebody when you've been running
for six hours.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You were a marathon runner.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Uh yeah, I mean I was never fast.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's kind of the story of my life.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You just keep going, You just keep going, You just
keep going, keep going again.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm gonna reference your book. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you biting on Amazon everybody I know, Well, until
you don't. So how many did you do? You did Boston, Chicago, Chicago?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I did the whole Chicago, I did the half of
San Antonio, cross the finish line, walked on stage and
played the show. It was a rock and roll marathon,
so they have a concert at the end.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I was it. So I had to finish my half
marathon before the set started.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So that was a little but you knew that was
like you knew.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, they hired me to go down there,
but you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Knew you were gonna run it and then play. Yes,
How was that was it hard to do?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It was okay, It was okay.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You know, my legs started to feel a little jellowy
towards the middle of the show.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And then that's crazy that you do. You're doing a
lot of shows. I was looking at your tour schedule.
It's part of I would imagine being in shape helps
you do like a more of active show?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Right, Yes, my show is very active.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I don't stand still. I'm like, there's two songs where
I play a guitar on and that's about the stillest
I get. And then other than that, I'm running around.
I'm headbanging.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You'll see a lot of pictures my hair flying.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do you do as your not a beauty show
by any means, I want to spoil it, But what
do you do? You have so many big songs, what's
the what do you do as your final song?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Final song of the night?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah? Is this a spoiler?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, it's not my song.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Okay, I give a little pep talk to the audience.
I'm like, if you have dreams and the things that
you want to do, surround yourself with positive people.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Can I guess? Then? Yeah, give me the pep talk.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So okay, Oh well it ends with okay. So I
mentioned you know, if you have something that you want
to do, don't surround yourself with naysayers because there's plenty
of people that will say, well, that won't work. Because
and I always tell my team, I'm like, please don't
tell me, Why not tell me?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
How you want people.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And I'm like, look, God's word tells us that the
tongue has the power of life and death.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You that have people around you that are like, oh, yeah, well,
not sure that's gonna work out, or that's dumb, nobody's
doing that, or you.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Have people that are like, you can do it, You've
got this. No, And I do say to the audience,
I'm like, I'm not saying you're the greatest in the world.
I was never said. My sister was my greatest support.
She's like fifteen years older than me, and she never
was like, oh, you're such a great singer. She's just like,
you just gotta keep going. And I remember I got
turned down by a record label in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They said it was too fat, and I.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Was actually said that they told my producer that, oh,
if she was ten pounds to the lighter, my designer
is what they said.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So and I was devastated.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And she's like, I said, I did this showcase and
I didn't get the record daily passed And she's like yes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was like, what do you mean. Yes, She's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
They say you have to get passed on a thousand
times before you get a deal.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
She's like, now you only have nine hundred and ninety
nine left.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Just keep going, just keep going. And I was like,
and whatever you do, don't stop believing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh well, now we know the song. Don't stop believing.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's the end.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well yeah, but you could you could have not said
that part.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't know the name was it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know what I was going to guess though the
climb Miley Cyrus's gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Ben up bad, always going on to make you. Hey,
the hand of Montana thing is coming back. We gotta
do the dance. Did you see that on TikTok? Only
took us four hours turn?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So you'll practice, you'll practice a long time for your tiktoks.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, that one was long.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I never I didn't know it at all, and then
we learned it. We're on the road, boy, my legs.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Are so the next day the hand him Montana dance.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Who says to you, this should be the next TikTok
that we do.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know. I don't know if we do.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You doom scroll on TikTok?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't. I don't have time and scroll. But uh,
the one that dances with me.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Sometimes we'll have suggestions. Yeah, probably he would be the most.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
When you moved to town. How long until you had
any sort of traction at all?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Did that four years feel like forty years?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It did?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I remember my first year was all about trying to survive,
finding a place to live, pay in the bills. Like,
I didn't sing, and there weren't as many places. We
didn't have Broadway Broadway was Tutsi's I think that was it.
And then Ernest Tub's Record shop or whatever. It wasn't
like fifty thousand bars with you know, open twenty four
hours and different shifts or whatever, so there wasn't a
(13:05):
lot of places to sing.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Back.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Then once he got here, where did you sing? Then?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Uh, talent nights I'd perform. I needed money for rent,
so I would do the talent contests.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh you wouldn't try to win? Did you win?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes I did, And that's how I got my start.
I want a chance to perform on a radio show
as well. And then the radio show had me back
every Saturday night. It was called Live Libby's from Daysville, Kentucky.
It's gone, but that's where my producer, Barron Gallimore heard me,
who was producing Tim McGrath at the time, and then
I took a meeting with him and then he's like, hey,
let's work on a demo.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So what would you sing to win these competitions? Because
I like, what was your go to? Oh my gosh,
rumor has it not adel?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Rumor? Has it you?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And would you know they would that you'd melt them
with that?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I was always terrified. Yeah, I was always ri Did
you lose?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah? Did you ever lose? Anybody else that ended up
making it?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
There was one girl that I had done something with
a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We were on a competition and she is nasty. She
is mean. And then later after I had Carolina came out.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
She got a record deal, but it didn't work out
so good. I didn't say that I did good, but
she's so mean good she had money I didn't. So
she had like the fancy guitar on the fancy clothes
and was like, yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And so she's just not nice.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
How does somebody from Massachusetts, That's exactly what I was
going to ask you, how did they get into country music?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I had gone to a boarding school and there were
kids from all over the country there, and one of
them was from like the South and would listen to
country music. And I just loved it because I was like, Oh,
they're singing about me, They're singing about my life. And
so I would gravitate towards that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Even though you lived in Massachusetts, like your rural Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
About thirty thirty miles outside of Boston.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Then how was it your life? What would you hear
that would reo?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Would I hear baby alone?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
When I told you.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I could walk away? Remember that one? No, you don't.
It's a song.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I know a song.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Break it to me gently, remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No one, No, I think Amy's hybriding songs.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Now, No, I feel like the recommend And then I
remember Alabama came out with rul Ow.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I was like, oh, this is so cool. And the Judge,
the Judgs came out too. Love that.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We had a lot of Judge in my house, my
mom and my grandma. It was all Judges all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah. Then that I loved it, and so I gravitated towards.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Were you singing in high school? Like in school I was.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I started performing out in clubs when I was thirteen
or fourteen.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
My mother would drive me. I'd sleep through class. It
does not advice for those listening.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But anyways, my mom would drive me out to open
mic nights and I'd sit in with bands, and then
my brother and my sister and myself put a band together,
and then I'd ride with my older siblings.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You had a family band kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah. We hired a guitar player, but my sister played
the bass, my brother played the drums.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Did they not want to pursue it farther because they
didn't move down for music, did they?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They did not.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They live here or now, but they did not. I think,
you know, it was just a time where you just
got to get a real job.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And so my brothers had the same job since he
was eighteen and he's a little older now, and like
he was programming computers for the government or something, you
know what I mean. He was a computer programmer and
does that still to this day, same job, same never
left that job.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I My theory is there has to be a screw
loose to even pursue what this is, right, it's got
to be the right screw. But to pursue any sort
of art, there's to be a screw loose, Yeah, because
you have to have like this wild belief in yourself
that that even other people may not have. Like you
have to believe in yourself so much.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Do you just in yourself or do you just have
to want the dream?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It can be? But I don't think you can even
understand the want of it if you don't believe in yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Really, because I'm really insecure even today.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But I'm really insecure too. I think insecurity fuels me.
I'm embarrassed by everything that I do. It's a weird
juxposition of I believe in myself more than anybody ever,
but also hate everything about me.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Right, I hear you.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I didn't mean that, and I didn't mean way she
like hate yet, No, no, but I get it because
you know, I'm looking at myself in the whatever in
the room. I got my picture taken next to yours
sign and I was like, I look awful.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
You're your own worst critic, and so that that circle
just keeps going on and on in your head, even
when you're standing in front of tens of thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I remember playing on Texas Stadium.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
For the first time, and I stood there at the
edge of the stage and people were like screaming and cheering.
It was so loud it like rumbled the stage, and
I'm like, what am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like I don't belong here? Like did they? And none
of these people realize.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That, and you can't let them out know that you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That, Yeah, well I didn't.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Now, Yeah, I think that. I think that happens with
a lot of artists though that when you, for me,
especially when I got to a point, you start to go, man,
I don't like, does this kind of crazy? I don't
know if I'm actually good enough, but I believe I
at least believed I was good enough at some point.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I think there's a point of gratitude too, where the
gratitude kicks in. So if you go see my show now,
it isn't really hey look at me, I'm up here.
It's like, oh my gosh, we're gonna have so much fun,
you know, and I do. We have a blast with
the audience.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But for you to move down here, uh huh and
want to be a singer and also have to have
a job to make money again, you didn't have the
benefit of having your bills paid for and still pursuing
this like there's a there's a small screw loose to
think you could do that.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think it was naive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It was that's a superpower.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Though.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If I knew that everyone that I ran into in
town was in town for the same reason, I probably
my insecurity would have kicked in and I'd be like, no, no, no,
I can't compete with all those people, right, But I
didn't know, so I was like, Oh, I have in
order to get a record deal, I gotta go to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So okay, I'm going to Nashville, me and fifty thousand
other people.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Did you get down and see other people and go,
oh wow, the competition is pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, they're talented. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'd go to these talent contests and I'd be like, oh,
I'll just put my name on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Something to do.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Did you ever almost go home?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, because I loved to sing. I loved to perform.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
So that's what would fuel me and keep me in
the room, was my chance to sing.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That record label story is still thinking about them that
said you were ten pounds. If I was, would have
signed me like that, Like whenever you did get your
first hit, did you ever think, like, you know, having
like a pretty woman moment with them?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Of like big mistake, huge, Like I have to go
make music.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Now because I I can'ce on thinking about how I mean,
I know that's the reality for a lot of women
in the business pop country. We've heard a lot of people,
especially now that they're older, they're like, oh, yeah, when
I was first starting out, I heard this from my
record label, this from my management team.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I wasn't to wear my hair this way. I had
to wear these clothes. I had to.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, So I mean, did you I don't know, did
you just like let it go or.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's thirty years later, I'm still talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I didn't let it go, or like you run into
them like kind of just.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You a feel like it's not happening now too.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Oh yeah, no, I'm sure. I guess I just have
a little bit of hope that maybe we progress a
little bit. But you're right, we probably as much as
I would like to think, the does still happen.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Actually on my record there is I was talking to
an artist and she's like, man, I just you know,
I can't do this, I can't do that. I was
just Oh, she's like exhausted, and I said, whatever you do,
don't let him hide you're beautiful. And then we wrote
a song that's actually a song on the album.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I believe it's track three.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Oh yeah, there you go, you know everything, but yeah,
that's where that song came from, with someone being told by.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Everyone else, no, this is what you need to do,
this is how you have to look, this is what
you should do, this is where you should be, this
is you know. And she's like, none of it's me,
you know what are they selling?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's not me?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I was like, well, don't let them hide you're beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Was there a time when you got to town where
you had so much success that you started to feel
a bit bulletproof because you had you had a run
like a multi week it's like never been done before,
where it's like number one for Muti Week, number one
for multi Week, nombre from multi Week.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, and that's the thing in when you I remember
Byron Gallamar telling me my producers saying, I was like,
oh man, it would be so great to have a
number one record, and he goes yeah, but then you
got to have another one, and so you were so
in the chase for the next one for me, and
then again you're insecure, right, so you were like, oh gosh,
I gotta have another one, or else I'm done or else.
What I remember Downtime came out and it peaked at
(22:09):
number eight. What I would do for a number eight
song right now? Not really, I mean, but it would
be such a thrill to have her number eight song,
right I'd be like, oh my gosh. But as soon
as that song maxed out at number eight, they're like, well,
she's done, she's done, she's over again.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That was like twenty years ago, but still.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
At that point, you know, everyone was so disappointed, and
I felt like they were disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I was like, I am a failure. I am you know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I don't know that there ever was a point
where I felt bulletproof. Now.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It was always about working harder.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
If you could do it again, or you could tell
you back then, like right when it was starting to hit,
like right before you get your first number one, you
have a deal. What advice would you give yourself? Then?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I always say this, don't sell out who you are
just to be successful.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Do you feel like you did that?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think there were moments, yes, where I.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Did that, and then I would look at pictures and
be like, oh boy, I remember that, you know, there
was a point where I was myself. Then we went
had some success and then all of a sudden the
people would flock and be like wear this, do that.
We had a photo shoot and I remember looking at
these photos. My hair was bone straight long down to
hear all these like coutore clothes, and I was like,
(23:27):
I don't know who that is. And they're like, oh,
but you look beautiful. I'm like, yeah, but I don't
know who she is. Like, I don't know who that is?
Who is that I can't I said, I don't go
to Kroger looking like this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, people they would never see me look like that.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You know, I can't sell them. Why would I represent
something that I'm not? Ooh, which that was then then
back then it was like, oh, you're being difficult. Oh
she's hard to work with. And it was really just
I can't pretend. I can't pretend to be something that
i'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Were there a group of women that kind of had
each other's back? Did you have at all? Or we're
just so competitive?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, it wasn't. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was like backbiting competitive and I don't even know
if it's that way now. I think a lot of
social media creates those scenarios where it's like I see
all these girls and just I love them. Be course,
I'm a little older, so I'm gonna you know, they
don't see me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I was like, I wanna get out of my way.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But I think at that point, again, I was just
running so hard for the end zone that I didn't
really I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Always on the road.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I was always, you know, touring always, or in the
studio or whatever. I didn't have time to be like, hey,
how's it going, And I was terrified, you know it
Actually okay, back to the insecurity. There was one one
award show I remember I shared a dressing room with
Trisha Yearwood, Martine McBride, faith Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You would talk about beautiful women. Colley stand next to
faith Hill. I never will.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
She's still stunning. And I had a curtained off section
in the back corner and I didn't come out. I
was just I did not feel worthy enough to be
in the room with those girls. And so they but
they read it probably this is just that, Oh she
thinks she's all that, and I wasn't all that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm hiding from
these beautiful talented girls.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So it wasn't it wasn't cutthroat or anything. It was
just keep your eye on your own on your own
game at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
When you decide that you're going to do a new
album or was it an album because it could have
just been a couple songs, and I kept growing like
what was this?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It turned out I started writing a lot with people
in town, and then someone's like, you should record this.
You should record this, this is a hit, you should
record this. And then it just started to roll into
a full project because I was like, whoa, I don't
you know. I'm just here to write. I just love
to write, you know. I'm still out touring, always been touring.
And so then they were like, you should really put
this together as a as a record, and I was like,
(25:48):
I don't know if anyone who wants to hear a
record for me, and they're like, just do it, so
we did.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So have you put any expectations on yourself with this record? You?
I'm asking you again, not anybody else like it? Or
has the expectation been met already by just creating it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I would love to hear how people like yourself like
the record. You know, of course you're always so kind,
so you wouldn't be like, well, this sucks so not
to my face, but I'd love to hear that because
I wrote everything on the record, and it's never happened before.
I've never written every I've never been able to like
pour my entire guts into an album. And that's the
(26:27):
difference between now and then, or then and now or whatever.
Is a lot of stuff that I recorded was written
by other people and staff writers at certain places where
that were the great songwriters. Nowadays, the artists write most
of their records, and I was like, oh, can I
do that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I can do that? This is great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So this is the first time I've ever had a
write There's one song I didn't write, but for the
rest of the record, I wrote everything on there.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So this is way more vulnerable, I think than you've
ever been as far as a creator.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Probably. Yeah, there's a song on there. Yeah, there's a song.
I share this in the live show. It's called if
He Knew Jesus, And it came out of a conversation
that I had with somebody and they're like, oh, you know,
would you ever consider, you know, going out with so
and so and this. I was like, oh no, no, no, no,
they gotta love Jesus said, because I've been down that road.
(27:15):
And so I walked into the writing room and I
said I have an idea. I said, what if we
wrote and I'm gonna start crying. I said, I have
this idea of a song and it and it just
starts off, well, if he knew Jesus, there'd be no
raisin these babies alone. And so I still again started crying,
(27:36):
like I'm crying here, sorry, And.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The guys looked at me and they're like, oh man,
it's gonna be a long day. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But they knew that was a song. But that's what
they meant though, right, like see me a long day
because they're gonna write that song with you.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well they're well, just because they're like, oh man, we
got to deal with her emotion, but we made it through.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We made it through.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
And then there's a there's a verse in the I'm
sorry the bridge that's like.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, he might go to church know the words in
the Bible, but only if he knew the man or whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And then one of the guys was like, Okay, this
is making me second, guess myself here.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So it was just he found salvation and you're writing.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Oh, that's my that is my hope. What is your
big What is my biggest hope for this project? And
I'll be really, really honest is and it might be
too honest and you can.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Edit it out if you want.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Is to be relevant enough to share the gospel with
people behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know my heart on that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
What do you mean behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, you know, I think because like a lot of
the new artists, I want to be a safe place
for them to go when they're like, oh my gosh,
how do I handle all this? Because they're inundated with
requests and demands and requirements and all this other stuff,
and it's like an opportunity to say, hold on a second,
(28:55):
you're okay, You're okay. I just did a show with
Carter Faith and I was like, here's my number. Things
are about to get crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And if you need a safe space, please call me.
And that's what I want.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
That's my heart's desire is to be a safe place
for people who are spinning around so fast within the
industry that they need to step away for a second.
You know, just realize who they who they really are
in the midst of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Why would we edit that out?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, I don't know. I don't like to talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
But that's that's my heart because that's what happened with me.
I know the road that they're walking. I know that
the demands that are that are on them and the
expectation on an everyday basis. I know what it's like
to have things said that aren't necessarily accurate, and it's hurts.
It hurts, and so you start to get a hard heart,
and then you start to get you know, a little
(29:53):
bit feistier and a little bit and then before you
know it, you're you don't even know who you are anymore.
And so just when that understands what they're walking through
and can give them a safe place to just decompress
and be themselves, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's my heart.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah. Did CMT make being famous easier and harder?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
In what way?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
People knew who you were because of videos?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Videos? No, I don't know the easier or harder or both.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
But easier because they now knew who you were as
a face. For harder because now you had to deal
with the fame because there weren't really a lot of
until CMT or MTV. Sometimes you wouldn't know what an RS
look like.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Right, Hence the Christopher Cross you know syndrome that happened.
There was a big singer in a name Christopher Cross,
and then someone said as soon as the video aspect
came out, you know, that's when he lost some traction.
And I was like, well, that doesn't seem fair, but
it did. It did put a lot of expectation on
the way you carry yourself and the way you know
you you have to look and et cetera. It did
(30:57):
put all that added pressure on you. But also it
was good for you know, people recognizing you and familiarity
in the sense of getting shows and getting work.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Did you ever have like valets handing you music and
stuff all the time?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Still they dropped stuff in my mail, in.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Your mailbox, I got your home yes, Oh no, I
don't like it.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I like.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
The latest was the insect guy that came over and
he's like, hey, yeah, so here will you go check
out myself on this website.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Pest control like pest Control. Yes, the insect guy.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He's a singer too, sounds like right, But was he pest.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Controlling my house. Yes, and then he sprayed the house. Okay,
he was like, and don't forget listen to myself. I mean,
I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
They show up and then they realized like, okay, whoa,
this is Jody Messina's house.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Like maybe I should choot my shot.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But what can I do? I'm like, I can't do
anything for myself. I never I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's not true. That's funny, but that's not true.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's kind of true, right.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I don't think so because you play these where tons
of people come you're you're so again. I made the
comment earlier, you're now TikTok relevant, which is hard, the
hardest thing to be, Like, you just have all these
different different avenues because fame is so fractured now, it
is more fractured than I've ever seen it. Somebody could
be famous to somebody and then the person next to
them has no idea who they are. Yet this person
(32:19):
is freaking out because this person that they follow on
tech talk And so I think you're you're now so
tucked strongly into these areas of like new versions of fame,
Like I see people freaking out about you on TikTok
and I'm like, oh, dang, this is like a whole
different world of fame versus what the fame that you
have had for the past twenty twenty five, thirty years
or so.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I love that that it's fractured because it used to be,
you know, so many TV shows and everyone would watch
them and everyone either had new them or didn't you
know what I mean. It was like, it's not like
you know you now have you find your celebrity here,
you find your music there, or you find you know.
So that's a great way of describing that's so great.
(33:01):
But I love it in the sense of people are like, well,
we think your demographic is da da da da, and
then you come to and a lot of these people
don't come to the show. So my old thing is look.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
At the first fifty rows. Yeah, I'm like, we got
six year olds.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
With their moms and their grandmothers, so we're coming. So
I think with all those different social media platforms, we're
able to hit different demographics. And you know what, these
kids still love Bye Bye and they still love I'm
all Right and they are singing it, so L like,
it's crazy the way they find music now. They're saying
like deep cuts all the words. I'm like, I don't
even know the words.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So that's why you were being too harsh on yourself
when you said you can't even do things for you. You're
doing massive, great, wonderful things right now.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I think I live in a bubble, so like I
just post my little through my little dance, you know,
and I then I go bring my kids to school,
and that's true.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You know, I'm at the rink. I'm at the hockey
rink or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Kids play hockey.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, so I see Dirk's Bentley quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Do you play against Dirk's kids or the same team?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well his kids are younger son of younger, so but
they're you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
One time I was like, are you at the rink?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
He?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I texted him and he texted me back. He's like,
I'm always at the rink.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm like, I get you. So do your kids play
hockey because they have fallen in love with it because
of Nashville or because you come from a hockey place
and you pass it down the road.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
They discovered it on the room. They discovered it when
we lived in Georgia. They started with inline hockey, which.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know what that is, like a roller blade?
Got it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And then they wanted to play ice So when we
moved back here, they play ice hockey.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Disc too cold for me? You think if I got
to wear a coat to go watch a game, ain't
for me?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Well, sometimes you don't have to wear a coat, but sometimes,
you know, sometimes they keep those rinks.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Do you travel or you travel parent?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, because I travel for work.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So my kids were not able to try out for
the travel teams.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's probably better.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I wasn't gonna let them, like, hey, go to you know,
Detroit by yourself with people that I don't know and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But well, I'm so happy that one you're here. You
have a box of gifts? Do you I mean, do
you want to give it to us now? Or do
you want to give to us after? I don't know
what it is.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh, it would be on the high it would be
on the air.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Luck.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You could see my pants.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Know your pants are awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I wear happy pants.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I lead worship at a school and so there's eighteen
months to eighth grade kids that I lead worship with
and I always wear my happy pants for them mostly
the middle school who could care less?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But the little ones like my pants.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
And we're like your little ones. We're we act like
it's our whole situation here.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Did you get to all your questions? Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I could just for two hours?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh I can. We could fire them. I'll tend words less.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Did you ever, like way back in the day, talk
about doing Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh my yes, yeah they never I wasn't ever.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did they not approach they approach you or no, they
never approached you about it?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
They I've got I went out there a few times
too so to support people, and they still never call.
See okay, I'd like to see maybe they saw my TikTok.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It hasn't been up long enough. I think I think
you would be excellent for the show. Oh I did
you do it now?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh? Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay. I mean I know people, so I'll just send
out a text and be like hey, because they do
look for different areas, right, They look for somebody in
country music every other year. They do look for like
an athlete. And I'll just feel like, hey, keep joy
Ben seeing in mind. If you wouldn't mind me doing that,
go for it. I don't want to do that, and then.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It'd be fun because if they came to you and
you said no, then I'd look bad. Then I'd have
to be like boycott Jody.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I don't even have a response.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, the boycott thing.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I thought i'd have a quick comeback.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I needn't.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
The album just has out this summer. I don't know
what that means any date yet, which when you just
want to wait?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, Sarah, Sarah, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You don't have to say it now you can tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Sarah's like the mastermind behind all the marketing.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I just heard way their close to confirmings. I don't
say yeah, okay, I heard in my ear.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh yeah, there is something in the works there.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Do you play any of the new shows live?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Now that it's out, We're going to do the whole song.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
That's awesome, But people were so frustrated because I would
just do a little bit of the chorus and then
the hook and then would end it and they're no,
they've never heard the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Till you're a.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Show Amy, any question for Jodie before she goes.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, well your energy, Like, where does that come from?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
How do you do it like gratitude?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I think, oh yeah, okay, so it's just pure like
like it's joy. It's not there's a happiness joy content,
Like would you describe yourself as content?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I somebody said, why is it taking ten years?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And I was like, well, I don't know. I've just
kind of been content. You know, I'm happy. So when
I say I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to
be here the Bobby Bones Show and happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
You know, well, there is just different energy about you.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Like sometimes people come in and they're happy and it
feels a little manufactured or just like they're putting it on,
and like you're just like I feel the energy.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
So that's that's Jesus joy. That joy that comes from
within is not like, oh he makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Because he gave me a new car. I don't have
a new car. He bought it used, it's five years older.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
But it isn't that. It's not happy. Happiness is depending
on your situation. It's joy where and perspective too. Just
grateful and grateful I get to sit here with you.
I'm like, that's a gift that it really is. And
you know that I love you. And I see maybe once.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Every couple of years, and it's so this moment is awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's weird. Just do you say that, because you're right,
that's absolutely right. But I social media allows you to
feel like you're closer to somebody because we know each other.
But I see all this that you're doing, so I
don't I don't feel like it's been a couple of years.
But you're right. I think we've hugged each other. It's
been a couple of years. Yeah, but I do like
keep up so it doesn't feel like we're so disconnected.
And I also feel like I could just message you
and be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
What up. Yeah, yeah, I said, Bobby message.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's not weird. That's because that's because we know each other. Well.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, I like to think.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I like to think so because there are moments where
I just reach out or I think when you announced,
when you guys made your announcement, I was like heng
on brother, where I was about to change my wife
getting pregnant. Yes, because let me tell you, there's a
part of your heart. You love your wife and you
think you know what.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Love feels like, but there's a part of your heart
that you don't even know exists until that child comes
and then you're like, where what is this? Where did
this come from?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And so I'm so excited for thank you because you're
such a good guy.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well I appreciate you saying that. Thank you very much.
You're the best. We love having you in. We can't
wait for the album. And everybody check out Strain the
new song some Bridges. She's going to play it in
her live shit and you're again. I looked at your
tour schedule. You have so many shows, So go to
jodymasina dot com. Shows all the way up until October.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Oh yeah, follow me on Socials.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
You'll get to.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
See my dance.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Jody Messina. Jody, great to see you. Thank you so much.
Everybody
On the Bobby Bones Show.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now, yeah, did you say that?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I thought you said it.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
No, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
It didn't sound like an echo something.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We have a lot of stuff to talk about. I
would first, have you seen the video that I made you?
Never mind? Never mind?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Never no? No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
If you haven't seen it yet, then maybe you're not
supposed to know about it.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Oh, I'm not supposed to know about it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
No, it's not the anniversary of your record. Never mind.
I'm not saying I'm not going to say anything about it.
I just shouldn't have said anything. I was just gonna
make a point about something. How you doing, Jody.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
A minute?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You're about to have a big anniversary for your first album?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
How many years?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Thirty?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, which is pretty great. And so if you haven't
seen it yet, I will tell you. I did a
whole video talking about it and what it meant to
me and all of that. But if you haven't seen
it yet, one day you'll see it. I haven't seen it, Okay,
then I'll just leave it there. It was only me, okay, Okay.
I have a lot of questions for you.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh go go, I'm ready. I'm ready. First of all,
you know I love you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I could not hold a mirror up and say it
back to you one hundred times over. So you're so awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Same to you, and I follow you and I just
support you.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You've gotten messages for me than you can I do.
I just said, you're just such a jewel.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, thank you. This is not about me. I want
to make it about you.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, let's make it about you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
What is it? Is it cool to be like TikTok
famous because you are you are. Your stuff goes viral
all the time. People love you on TikTok. It's like
a whole new age of people that get to like
experience what we got to experience.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The crazy dances, it's just all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well we have a fun thing we and we haven't
put it up yet. But last weekend we played in
California and the guy that choreographed all the snow back
when I always like had Dancer is it Everything lived
out there and he choreographed a new dance to one
of the hits, and so we recorded that while we
were out doing a festival this weekend.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Your stuff pops?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Thanks?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, like you do you do? You keep track of
what your videos do, like.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like seventy sometimes.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But it's we're moving so fast and now everything's getting
really busy.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
So and this is the first record, like new new music, right.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Yes, in a long time, over ten years now. I
released something I think in.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Twenty fourteen, not a full record though, like just like
a go fundme or whatever. It was a kickstarter.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
I don't even know what they's doing business, I don't know,
so something like that, but a major release label thing.
The last thing that came out I think was my
give it I'm bus said, was it two thousand and seven?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, it's a long time.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What does it feel like to put out a new
project because it's been again we have done a full project.
Is there are their nerves? Is it excitement? Is it both?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Both?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Are there expectations other people?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
What do you mean? What do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You know, just other people have expectations for it, and
so you don't want to let people down, especially those
that are working really hard on it, you know, and
with the marketing and the promotion and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I'm just happy to be here, Bobby, you know
that Earth or in the studio just.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The studio of course and Earth No literally every morning.
I mean I'm like, this morning I sat outside and
I was like, God, thank you for today.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I get today.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, today's big da because of the singles out. Yes,
the new album will be out the summer, but the
new song is out, and so we're going to play
some bridges.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
It will. Yes, it feels like a wisdom song it is.
Tell me about it.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, you know, we grew up as you're growing up
or always told you know, don't be burning bridges.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Don't burn bridges.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
You know, oh I know they you know, like with
my kids, I'm like, don't don't be rude to those
hockey players in rec hockey because you don't want to
burn those bridges because they'll probably on your team next year.
Or you know, be respectful to the coach. Don't be
burning bridges because you know you might run into them. Whatever,
and we're told, don't burn bridges you because you're not
going to find your way back. And or if you
(04:12):
take chances, which is so funny because I'm looking at
your book and fail until you don't if you don't
take chance.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
If you take.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Chances, oh you're gonna you know, you might end up
off track. You know, you might make a mistake, you
might fail. And it's like you sometimes you have to fail,
you know, sometimes you and sometimes you have to burn
bridges if they lead you back to a place that
is harmful to you or where you lose yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's not it's not worthy.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did you feel like this was the single when you
wrote it? Or did you get all the songs together
and then go this is the one?
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Bobby?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Did we send you a link for the album?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Why do you say that it's loaded?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I let someone else pick it because I was like,
oh I love this one. Oh I love this one.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Oh I love this So I was, yeah, They're like, boom,
let's come out with this one.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But so I wasn't Yeah, okay, So I have other
things to talk about. I want to go to Amy first.
What song comes to mind? If I just say, Jody Messina,
what's what song first comes to mind? Of all of them?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I mean, it's got to be heads Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Would you think that's common? Is it? Most? Is it
is that with most people? Because I think bye Bye
to Me is the one that comes to mind first,
good one.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I was trying to see if another would come to me,
But then that wouldn't be fair because then that the
first one was Heads Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
What do you think the first one is the people?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Probably right now, Heads Carolina because of its resurgence.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, because of its resurgence and ah with Cole.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah that's right.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
But but if you look at you know what people
are playing from my catalog, I think Bye Bye was first.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Then I'm alright, Then Heads Carolina is, Yeah, there's a
lot of them. Then less and stampside me on the.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Rain sings all your songs back Amy and here Amy,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
Oh, somebody's gonna give you lesson and leave some bad
He's gonna give you back you and and I'm around
to watch you knock it down.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, I threw you off.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Sorry, No, it's no trust me. You didn't throw trust me.
That's not it at all. Are you still living away
from here?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I live here? No, now, I went I didn't. I
don't talk about this a lot, but.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Don't you it's you? No, no, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I had a lot to Georgia for a few years.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I went down there Originally, Cancer Treatment Centers of America
was down there. They had one in Atlanta and one
in Minneapolis. Don't exist anymore, but anyways, that's why I
went there, and I was there for a few years,
and now I'm back.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
How's your how's your health?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's good right now?
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah? Yea monitoring always.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Once a year.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
No, No, I'm to the point where it's once a year.
I go on and get checked the blood work and
scans if needed or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
How do you feel physically?
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Good days?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Not good days?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, well, the day after leg day or the second
day after leg day.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I train every day for a train every day for what? No, wait,
train like lift? No?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I know for did I say that? And I tell
them my train? They're like, why are you training? And
I'm like, I don't know, apocalypse No.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
He but you act like you're training to be a
pro athlete, like we're it's like we're training for life,
like osteoporosis.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Well, actually I'm going for a look but longer, a
lot longer, and I wanted it.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Was projecting right there.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I'm well, lifting is very important for our bone house,
its women.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
It's and just yeah, I have kids and you'll you'll
find this out. It's a lot of energy to came
up with them. So yeah, and I'm going to start
running with my fourteen year old. I used to be
a big time runner. I ran Boston Marathon.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Chicago Way.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I didn't qualify Bobby ran I was invited to run
because I'm from Boston, so.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I would never have qualified.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'm wait, too slow. What was your time? I was
If you.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Go look at that year, I am the second to last,
only before my brother, who let me cross the line first.
Because they cut it off at six hours. I think
we're five hours and fifty nine minutes. I pulled my
it ban at mile six, so I'd have to stop
every like mile or so and let my leg loosen up,
let that muscle loosen up, and then start again.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But I did finish.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Did you see them shutting down and you're just trying
to beat them shutting down, taking all the all the
stuff off. I think they were waiting, but.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
They're like, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Because there was like news cruise when I crossed the
finish line, and that was the last thing you want
to do is talk to somebody when you've been running
for six hours.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You were a marathon runner.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Uh yeah, I mean I was never fast.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It's kind of the story of my life.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
You just keep going, You just keep going, You just
keep going, keep going again.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm gonna reference your book. I love it.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Thank you biting on Amazon everybody I know, Well, until
you don't. So how many did you do? You did Boston, Chicago, Chicago?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I did the whole Chicago, I did the half of
San Antonio, cross the finish line, walked on stage and
played the show. It was a rock and roll marathon,
so they have a concert at the end.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I was it. So I had to finish my half
marathon before the set started.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
So that was a little but you knew that was
like you knew.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, they hired me to go down there,
but you.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Knew you were gonna run it and then play. Yes,
How was that was it hard to do?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It was okay, It was okay.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You know, my legs started to feel a little jellowy
towards the middle of the show.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
And then that's crazy that you do. You're doing a
lot of shows. I was looking at your tour schedule.
It's part of I would imagine being in shape helps
you do like a more of active show?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Right, Yes, my show is very active.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I don't stand still. I'm like, there's two songs where
I play a guitar on and that's about the stillest
I get. And then other than that, I'm running around.
I'm headbanging.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You'll see a lot of pictures my hair flying.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do you do as your not a beauty show
by any means, I want to spoil it, But what
do you do? You have so many big songs, what's
the what do you do as your final song?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Final song of the night?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yeah? Is this a spoiler?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, it's not my song.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Okay, I give a little pep talk to the audience.
I'm like, if you have dreams and the things that
you want to do, surround yourself with positive people.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Can I guess? Then? Yeah, give me the pep talk.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
So okay, Oh well it ends with okay. So I
mentioned you know, if you have something that you want
to do, don't surround yourself with naysayers because there's plenty
of people that will say, well, that won't work. Because
and I always tell my team, I'm like, please don't
tell me, Why not tell me?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
How you want people.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
And I'm like, look, God's word tells us that the
tongue has the power of life and death.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You that have people around you that are like, oh, yeah, well,
not sure that's gonna work out, or that's dumb, nobody's
doing that, or you.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Have people that are like, you can do it, You've
got this. No, And I do say to the audience,
I'm like, I'm not saying you're the greatest in the world.
I was never said. My sister was my greatest support.
She's like fifteen years older than me, and she never
was like, oh, you're such a great singer. She's just like,
you just gotta keep going. And I remember I got
turned down by a record label in Nashville.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
They said it was too fat, and I.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Was actually said that they told my producer that, oh,
if she was ten pounds to the lighter, my designer
is what they said.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
So and I was devastated.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
And she's like, I said, I did this showcase and
I didn't get the record daily passed And she's like yes.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was like, what do you mean. Yes, She's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
They say you have to get passed on a thousand
times before you get a deal.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
She's like, now you only have nine hundred and ninety
nine left.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
Just keep going, just keep going. And I was like,
and whatever you do, don't stop believing.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Oh well, now we know the song. Don't stop believing.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
That's the end.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well yeah, but you could you could have not said
that part.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't know the name was it.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know what I was going to guess though the
climb Miley Cyrus's gonna.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Ben up bad, always going on to make you. Hey,
the hand of Montana thing is coming back. We gotta
do the dance. Did you see that on TikTok? Only
took us four hours turn?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
So you'll practice, you'll practice a long time for your tiktoks.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Well, that one was long.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
I never I didn't know it at all, and then
we learned it. We're on the road, boy, my legs.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Are so the next day the hand him Montana dance.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Who says to you, this should be the next TikTok
that we do.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't know. I don't know if we do.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You doom scroll on TikTok?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't. I don't have time and scroll. But uh,
the one that dances with me.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Sometimes we'll have suggestions. Yeah, probably he would be the most.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
When you moved to town. How long until you had
any sort of traction at all?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Four years?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Did that four years feel like forty years?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
It did?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I remember my first year was all about trying to survive,
finding a place to live, pay in the bills. Like,
I didn't sing, and there weren't as many places. We
didn't have Broadway Broadway was Tutsi's I think that was it.
And then Ernest Tub's Record shop or whatever. It wasn't
like fifty thousand bars with you know, open twenty four
hours and different shifts or whatever, so there wasn't a
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lot of places to sing.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Back.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Then once he got here, where did you sing? Then?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Uh, talent nights I'd perform. I needed money for rent,
so I would do the talent contests.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Oh you wouldn't try to win? Did you win?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Yes I did, And that's how I got my start.
I want a chance to perform on a radio show
as well. And then the radio show had me back
every Saturday night. It was called Live Libby's from Daysville, Kentucky.
It's gone, but that's where my producer, Barron Gallimore heard me,
who was producing Tim McGrath at the time, and then
I took a meeting with him and then he's like, hey,
let's work on a demo.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So what would you sing to win these competitions? Because
I like, what was your go to? Oh my gosh,
rumor has it not adel?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Rumor? Has it you?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
And would you know they would that you'd melt them
with that?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I was always terrified. Yeah, I was always ri Did
you lose?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah? Did you ever lose? Anybody else that ended up
making it?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
No.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
There was one girl that I had done something with
a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
We were on a competition and she is nasty. She
is mean. And then later after I had Carolina came out.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
She got a record deal, but it didn't work out
so good. I didn't say that I did good, but
she's so mean good she had money I didn't. So
she had like the fancy guitar on the fancy clothes
and was like, yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And so she's just not nice.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
How does somebody from Massachusetts, That's exactly what I was
going to ask you, how did they get into country music?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I had gone to a boarding school and there were
kids from all over the country there, and one of
them was from like the South and would listen to
country music. And I just loved it because I was like, Oh,
they're singing about me, They're singing about my life. And
so I would gravitate towards that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Even though you lived in Massachusetts, like your rural Massachusetts.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
About thirty thirty miles outside of Boston.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Then how was it your life? What would you hear
that would reo?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Would I hear baby alone?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
When I told you.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I could walk away? Remember that one? No, you don't.
It's a song.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I know a song.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Break it to me gently, remember that.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
No one, No, I think Amy's hybriding songs.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Now, No, I feel like the recommend And then I
remember Alabama came out with rul Ow.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I was like, oh, this is so cool. And the Judge,
the Judgs came out too. Love that.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
We had a lot of Judge in my house, my
mom and my grandma. It was all Judges all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah. Then that I loved it, and so I gravitated towards.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Were you singing in high school? Like in school I was.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I started performing out in clubs when I was thirteen
or fourteen.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
My mother would drive me. I'd sleep through class. It
does not advice for those listening.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
But anyways, my mom would drive me out to open
mic nights and I'd sit in with bands, and then
my brother and my sister and myself put a band together,
and then I'd ride with my older siblings.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You had a family band kind of.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah. We hired a guitar player, but my sister played
the bass, my brother played the drums.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Did they not want to pursue it farther because they
didn't move down for music, did they?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
They did not.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They live here or now, but they did not. I think,
you know, it was just a time where you just
got to get a real job.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And so my brothers had the same job since he
was eighteen and he's a little older now, and like
he was programming computers for the government or something, you
know what I mean. He was a computer programmer and
does that still to this day, same job, same never
left that job.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I My theory is there has to be a screw
loose to even pursue what this is, right, it's got
to be the right screw. But to pursue any sort
of art, there's to be a screw loose, Yeah, because
you have to have like this wild belief in yourself
that that even other people may not have. Like you
have to believe in yourself so much.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Do you just in yourself or do you just have
to want the dream?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It can be? But I don't think you can even
understand the want of it if you don't believe in yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Really, because I'm really insecure even today.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
But I'm really insecure too. I think insecurity fuels me.
I'm embarrassed by everything that I do. It's a weird
juxposition of I believe in myself more than anybody ever,
but also hate everything about me.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Right, I hear you.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I didn't mean that, and I didn't mean way she
like hate yet, No, no, but I get it because
you know, I'm looking at myself in the whatever in
the room. I got my picture taken next to yours
sign and I was like, I look awful.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
You're your own worst critic, and so that that circle
just keeps going on and on in your head, even
when you're standing in front of tens of thousands of people.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I remember playing on Texas Stadium.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
For the first time, and I stood there at the
edge of the stage and people were like screaming and cheering.
It was so loud it like rumbled the stage, and
I'm like, what am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like I don't belong here? Like did they? And none
of these people realize.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That, and you can't let them out know that you're thinking.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That, Yeah, well I didn't.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Now, Yeah, I think that. I think that happens with
a lot of artists though that when you, for me,
especially when I got to a point, you start to go, man,
I don't like, does this kind of crazy? I don't
know if I'm actually good enough, but I believe I
at least believed I was good enough at some point.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I think there's a point of gratitude too, where the
gratitude kicks in. So if you go see my show now,
it isn't really hey look at me, I'm up here.
It's like, oh my gosh, we're gonna have so much fun,
you know, and I do. We have a blast with
the audience.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
But for you to move down here, uh huh and
want to be a singer and also have to have
a job to make money again, you didn't have the
benefit of having your bills paid for and still pursuing
this like there's a there's a small screw loose to
think you could do that.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
I think it was naive.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
It was that's a superpower.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Though.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If I knew that everyone that I ran into in
town was in town for the same reason, I probably
my insecurity would have kicked in and I'd be like, no, no, no,
I can't compete with all those people, right, But I
didn't know, so I was like, Oh, I have in
order to get a record deal, I gotta go to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
So okay, I'm going to Nashville, me and fifty thousand
other people.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Did you get down and see other people and go,
oh wow, the competition is pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, they're talented. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I'd go to these talent contests and I'd be like, oh,
I'll just put my name on the list.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Something to do.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Did you ever almost go home?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
No, because I loved to sing. I loved to perform.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
So that's what would fuel me and keep me in
the room, was my chance to sing.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
That record label story is still thinking about them that
said you were ten pounds. If I was, would have
signed me like that, Like whenever you did get your
first hit, did you ever think, like, you know, having
like a pretty woman moment with them?
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Of like big mistake, huge, Like I have to go
make music.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Now because I I can'ce on thinking about how I mean,
I know that's the reality for a lot of women
in the business pop country. We've heard a lot of people,
especially now that they're older, they're like, oh, yeah, when
I was first starting out, I heard this from my
record label, this from my management team.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I wasn't to wear my hair this way. I had
to wear these clothes. I had to.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, So I mean, did you I don't know, did
you just like let it go or.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It's thirty years later, I'm still talking about it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I didn't let it go, or like you run into
them like kind of just.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
You a feel like it's not happening now too.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Oh yeah, no, I'm sure. I guess I just have
a little bit of hope that maybe we progress a
little bit. But you're right, we probably as much as
I would like to think, the does still happen.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Actually on my record there is I was talking to
an artist and she's like, man, I just you know,
I can't do this, I can't do that. I was
just Oh, she's like exhausted, and I said, whatever you do,
don't let him hide you're beautiful. And then we wrote
a song that's actually a song on the album.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I believe it's track three.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Oh yeah, there you go, you know everything, but yeah,
that's where that song came from, with someone being told by.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Everyone else, no, this is what you need to do,
this is how you have to look, this is what
you should do, this is where you should be, this
is you know. And she's like, none of it's me,
you know what are they selling?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's not me?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I was like, well, don't let them hide you're beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Was there a time when you got to town where
you had so much success that you started to feel
a bit bulletproof because you had you had a run
like a multi week it's like never been done before,
where it's like number one for Muti Week, number one
for multi Week, nombre from multi Week.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, and that's the thing in when you I remember
Byron Gallamar telling me my producers saying, I was like,
oh man, it would be so great to have a
number one record, and he goes yeah, but then you
got to have another one, and so you were so
in the chase for the next one for me, and
then again you're insecure, right, so you were like, oh gosh,
I gotta have another one, or else I'm done or else.
What I remember Downtime came out and it peaked at
(22:09):
number eight. What I would do for a number eight
song right now? Not really, I mean, but it would
be such a thrill to have her number eight song,
right I'd be like, oh my gosh. But as soon
as that song maxed out at number eight, they're like, well,
she's done, she's done, she's over again.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That was like twenty years ago, but still.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
At that point, you know, everyone was so disappointed, and
I felt like they were disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I was like, I am a failure. I am you know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So I don't know that there ever was a point
where I felt bulletproof. Now.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
It was always about working harder.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
If you could do it again, or you could tell
you back then, like right when it was starting to hit,
like right before you get your first number one, you
have a deal. What advice would you give yourself? Then?
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I always say this, don't sell out who you are
just to be successful.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Do you feel like you did that?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think there were moments, yes, where I.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
Did that, and then I would look at pictures and
be like, oh boy, I remember that, you know, there
was a point where I was myself. Then we went
had some success and then all of a sudden the
people would flock and be like wear this, do that.
We had a photo shoot and I remember looking at
these photos. My hair was bone straight long down to
hear all these like coutore clothes, and I was like,
(23:27):
I don't know who that is. And they're like, oh,
but you look beautiful. I'm like, yeah, but I don't
know who she is. Like, I don't know who that is?
Who is that I can't I said, I don't go
to Kroger looking like this.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, people they would never see me look like that.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
You know, I can't sell them. Why would I represent
something that I'm not? Ooh, which that was then then
back then it was like, oh, you're being difficult. Oh
she's hard to work with. And it was really just
I can't pretend. I can't pretend to be something that
i'm not.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Were there a group of women that kind of had
each other's back? Did you have at all? Or we're
just so competitive?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
No, it wasn't. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It was like backbiting competitive and I don't even know
if it's that way now. I think a lot of
social media creates those scenarios where it's like I see
all these girls and just I love them. Be course,
I'm a little older, so I'm gonna you know, they
don't see me.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I was like, I wanna get out of my way.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
But I think at that point, again, I was just
running so hard for the end zone that I didn't
really I'm.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Always on the road.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I was always, you know, touring always, or in the
studio or whatever. I didn't have time to be like, hey,
how's it going, And I was terrified, you know it
Actually okay, back to the insecurity. There was one one
award show I remember I shared a dressing room with
Trisha Yearwood, Martine McBride, faith Hill.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You would talk about beautiful women. Colley stand next to
faith Hill. I never will.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
She's still stunning. And I had a curtained off section
in the back corner and I didn't come out. I
was just I did not feel worthy enough to be
in the room with those girls. And so they but
they read it probably this is just that, Oh she
thinks she's all that, and I wasn't all that.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm hiding from
these beautiful talented girls.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
So it wasn't it wasn't cutthroat or anything. It was
just keep your eye on your own on your own
game at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
When you decide that you're going to do a new
album or was it an album because it could have
just been a couple songs, and I kept growing like
what was this?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It turned out I started writing a lot with people
in town, and then someone's like, you should record this.
You should record this, this is a hit, you should
record this. And then it just started to roll into
a full project because I was like, whoa, I don't
you know. I'm just here to write. I just love
to write, you know. I'm still out touring, always been touring.
And so then they were like, you should really put
this together as a as a record, and I was like,
(25:48):
I don't know if anyone who wants to hear a
record for me, and they're like, just do it, so
we did.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So have you put any expectations on yourself with this record? You?
I'm asking you again, not anybody else like it? Or
has the expectation been met already by just creating it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I would love to hear how people like yourself like
the record. You know, of course you're always so kind,
so you wouldn't be like, well, this sucks so not
to my face, but I'd love to hear that because
I wrote everything on the record, and it's never happened before.
I've never written every I've never been able to like
pour my entire guts into an album. And that's the
(26:27):
difference between now and then, or then and now or whatever.
Is a lot of stuff that I recorded was written
by other people and staff writers at certain places where
that were the great songwriters. Nowadays, the artists write most
of their records, and I was like, oh, can I
do that?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I can do that? This is great.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
So this is the first time I've ever had a
write There's one song I didn't write, but for the
rest of the record, I wrote everything on there.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
So this is way more vulnerable, I think than you've
ever been as far as a creator.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Probably. Yeah, there's a song on there. Yeah, there's a song.
I share this in the live show. It's called if
He Knew Jesus, And it came out of a conversation
that I had with somebody and they're like, oh, you know,
would you ever consider, you know, going out with so
and so and this. I was like, oh no, no, no, no,
they gotta love Jesus said, because I've been down that road.
(27:15):
And so I walked into the writing room and I
said I have an idea. I said, what if we
wrote and I'm gonna start crying. I said, I have
this idea of a song and it and it just
starts off, well, if he knew Jesus, there'd be no
raisin these babies alone. And so I still again started crying,
(27:36):
like I'm crying here, sorry, And.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
The guys looked at me and they're like, oh man,
it's gonna be a long day. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
But they knew that was a song. But that's what
they meant though, right, like see me a long day
because they're gonna write that song with you.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well they're well, just because they're like, oh man, we
got to deal with her emotion, but we made it through.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
We made it through.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
And then there's a there's a verse in the I'm
sorry the bridge that's like.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, he might go to church know the words in
the Bible, but only if he knew the man or whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And then one of the guys was like, Okay, this
is making me second, guess myself here.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
So it was just he found salvation and you're writing.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Oh, that's my that is my hope. What is your
big What is my biggest hope for this project? And
I'll be really, really honest is and it might be
too honest and you can.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Edit it out if you want.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Is to be relevant enough to share the gospel with
people behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know my heart on that.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
What do you mean behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Well, you know, I think because like a lot of
the new artists, I want to be a safe place
for them to go when they're like, oh my gosh,
how do I handle all this? Because they're inundated with
requests and demands and requirements and all this other stuff,
and it's like an opportunity to say, hold on a second,
(28:55):
you're okay, You're okay. I just did a show with
Carter Faith and I was like, here's my number. Things
are about to get crazy for you.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And if you need a safe space, please call me.
And that's what I want.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
That's my heart's desire is to be a safe place
for people who are spinning around so fast within the
industry that they need to step away for a second.
You know, just realize who they who they really are
in the midst of it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Why would we edit that out?
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh, I don't know. I don't like to talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
But that's that's my heart because that's what happened with me.
I know the road that they're walking. I know that
the demands that are that are on them and the
expectation on an everyday basis. I know what it's like
to have things said that aren't necessarily accurate, and it's hurts.
It hurts, and so you start to get a hard heart,
and then you start to get you know, a little
(29:53):
bit feistier and a little bit and then before you
know it, you're you don't even know who you are anymore.
And so just when that understands what they're walking through
and can give them a safe place to just decompress
and be themselves, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
That's my heart.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah. Did CMT make being famous easier and harder?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
In what way?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
People knew who you were because of videos?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Videos? No, I don't know the easier or harder or both.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
But easier because they now knew who you were as
a face. For harder because now you had to deal
with the fame because there weren't really a lot of
until CMT or MTV. Sometimes you wouldn't know what an RS
look like.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Right, Hence the Christopher Cross you know syndrome that happened.
There was a big singer in a name Christopher Cross,
and then someone said as soon as the video aspect
came out, you know, that's when he lost some traction.
And I was like, well, that doesn't seem fair, but
it did. It did put a lot of expectation on
the way you carry yourself and the way you know
you you have to look and et cetera. It did
(30:57):
put all that added pressure on you. But also it
was good for you know, people recognizing you and familiarity
in the sense of getting shows and getting work.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Did you ever have like valets handing you music and
stuff all the time?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Still they dropped stuff in my mail, in.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Your mailbox, I got your home yes, Oh no, I
don't like it.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I like.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
The latest was the insect guy that came over and
he's like, hey, yeah, so here will you go check
out myself on this website.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Pest control like pest Control. Yes, the insect guy.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
He's a singer too, sounds like right, But was he pest.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Controlling my house. Yes, and then he sprayed the house. Okay,
he was like, and don't forget listen to myself. I mean,
I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
They show up and then they realized like, okay, whoa,
this is Jody Messina's house.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Like maybe I should choot my shot.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
But what can I do? I'm like, I can't do
anything for myself. I never I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's not true. That's funny, but that's not true.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's kind of true, right.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I don't think so because you play these where tons
of people come you're you're so again. I made the
comment earlier, you're now TikTok relevant, which is hard, the
hardest thing to be, Like, you just have all these
different different avenues because fame is so fractured now, it
is more fractured than I've ever seen it. Somebody could
be famous to somebody and then the person next to
them has no idea who they are. Yet this person
(32:19):
is freaking out because this person that they follow on
tech talk And so I think you're you're now so
tucked strongly into these areas of like new versions of fame,
Like I see people freaking out about you on TikTok
and I'm like, oh, dang, this is like a whole
different world of fame versus what the fame that you
have had for the past twenty twenty five, thirty years
or so.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
I love that that it's fractured because it used to be,
you know, so many TV shows and everyone would watch
them and everyone either had new them or didn't you
know what I mean. It was like, it's not like
you know you now have you find your celebrity here,
you find your music there, or you find you know.
So that's a great way of describing that's so great.
(33:01):
But I love it in the sense of people are like, well,
we think your demographic is da da da da, and
then you come to and a lot of these people
don't come to the show. So my old thing is look.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
At the first fifty rows. Yeah, I'm like, we got
six year olds.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
With their moms and their grandmothers, so we're coming. So
I think with all those different social media platforms, we're
able to hit different demographics. And you know what, these
kids still love Bye Bye and they still love I'm
all Right and they are singing it, so L like,
it's crazy the way they find music now. They're saying
like deep cuts all the words. I'm like, I don't
even know the words.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
So that's why you were being too harsh on yourself
when you said you can't even do things for you. You're
doing massive, great, wonderful things right now.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
I think I live in a bubble, so like I
just post my little through my little dance, you know,
and I then I go bring my kids to school,
and that's true.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
You know, I'm at the rink. I'm at the hockey
rink or whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Kids play hockey.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yes, so I see Dirk's Bentley quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Do you play against Dirk's kids or the same team?
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Well his kids are younger son of younger, so but
they're you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
One time I was like, are you at the rink?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
He?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I texted him and he texted me back. He's like,
I'm always at the rink.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I'm like, I get you. So do your kids play
hockey because they have fallen in love with it because
of Nashville or because you come from a hockey place
and you pass it down the road.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
They discovered it on the room. They discovered it when
we lived in Georgia. They started with inline hockey, which.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know what that is, like a roller blade?
Got it?
Speaker 4 (34:35):
And then they wanted to play ice So when we
moved back here, they play ice hockey.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Disc too cold for me? You think if I got
to wear a coat to go watch a game, ain't
for me?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Well, sometimes you don't have to wear a coat, but sometimes,
you know, sometimes they keep those rinks.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Do you travel or you travel parent?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
No, because I travel for work.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
So my kids were not able to try out for
the travel teams.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
That's probably better.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
I wasn't gonna let them, like, hey, go to you know,
Detroit by yourself with people that I don't know and
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
But well, I'm so happy that one you're here. You
have a box of gifts? Do you I mean, do
you want to give it to us now? Or do
you want to give to us after? I don't know
what it is.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh, it would be on the high it would be
on the air.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Luck.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
You could see my pants.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Know your pants are awesome.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I wear happy pants.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I lead worship at a school and so there's eighteen
months to eighth grade kids that I lead worship with
and I always wear my happy pants for them mostly
the middle school who could care less?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
But the little ones like my pants.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
And we're like your little ones. We're we act like
it's our whole situation here.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Did you get to all your questions? Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
I could just for two hours?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh I can. We could fire them. I'll tend words less.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Did you ever, like way back in the day, talk
about doing Dancing with the Stars?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Oh my yes, yeah they never I wasn't ever.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did they not approach they approach you or no, they
never approached you about it?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:03):
They I've got I went out there a few times
too so to support people, and they still never call.
See okay, I'd like to see maybe they saw my TikTok.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It hasn't been up long enough. I think I think
you would be excellent for the show. Oh I did
you do it now?
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh? Yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay. I mean I know people, so I'll just send
out a text and be like hey, because they do
look for different areas, right, They look for somebody in
country music every other year. They do look for like
an athlete. And I'll just feel like, hey, keep joy
Ben seeing in mind. If you wouldn't mind me doing that,
go for it. I don't want to do that, and then.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It'd be fun because if they came to you and
you said no, then I'd look bad. Then I'd have
to be like boycott Jody.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I don't even have a response.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, the boycott thing.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I thought i'd have a quick comeback.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I needn't.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
The album just has out this summer. I don't know
what that means any date yet, which when you just
want to wait?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, Sarah, Sarah, what do you think?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You don't have to say it now you can tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Sarah's like the mastermind behind all the marketing.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I just heard way their close to confirmings. I don't
say yeah, okay, I heard in my ear.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Oh yeah, there is something in the works there.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Do you play any of the new shows live?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Now that it's out, We're going to do the whole song.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
That's awesome, But people were so frustrated because I would
just do a little bit of the chorus and then
the hook and then would end it and they're no,
they've never heard the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Till you're a.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Show Amy, any question for Jodie before she goes.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yeah, well your energy, Like, where does that come from?
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
How do you do it like gratitude?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I think, oh yeah, okay, so it's just pure like
like it's joy. It's not there's a happiness joy content,
Like would you describe yourself as content?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I somebody said, why is it taking ten years?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
And I was like, well, I don't know. I've just
kind of been content. You know, I'm happy. So when
I say I'm happy to be here, I'm happy to
be here the Bobby Bones Show and happy to be here.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
You know, well, there is just different energy about you.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
Like sometimes people come in and they're happy and it
feels a little manufactured or just like they're putting it on,
and like you're just like I feel the energy.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
So that's that's Jesus joy. That joy that comes from
within is not like, oh he makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Because he gave me a new car. I don't have
a new car. He bought it used, it's five years older.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
But it isn't that. It's not happy. Happiness is depending
on your situation. It's joy where and perspective too. Just
grateful and grateful I get to sit here with you.
I'm like, that's a gift that it really is. And
you know that I love you. And I see maybe once.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Every couple of years, and it's so this moment is awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's weird. Just do you say that, because you're right,
that's absolutely right. But I social media allows you to
feel like you're closer to somebody because we know each other.
But I see all this that you're doing, so I
don't I don't feel like it's been a couple of years.
But you're right. I think we've hugged each other. It's
been a couple of years. Yeah, but I do like
keep up so it doesn't feel like we're so disconnected.
And I also feel like I could just message you
and be like, hey.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
What up. Yeah, yeah, I said, Bobby message.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That's not weird. That's because that's because we know each other. Well.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, I like to think.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
I like to think so because there are moments where
I just reach out or I think when you announced,
when you guys made your announcement, I was like heng
on brother, where I was about to change my wife
getting pregnant. Yes, because let me tell you, there's a
part of your heart. You love your wife and you
think you know what.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Love feels like, but there's a part of your heart
that you don't even know exists until that child comes
and then you're like, where what is this? Where did
this come from?
Speaker 4 (39:46):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
And so I'm so excited for thank you because you're
such a good guy.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well I appreciate you saying that. Thank you very much.
You're the best. We love having you in. We can't
wait for the album. And everybody check out Strain the
new song some Bridges. She's going to play it in
her live shit and you're again. I looked at your
tour schedule. You have so many shows, So go to
jodymasina dot com. Shows all the way up until October.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Oh yeah, follow me on Socials.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
You'll get to.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
See my dance.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Jody Messina. Jody, great to see you. Thank you so much.
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