July 18, 2026 • 52 mins
Kassi Ashton is the kind of artist who lights Up Every Room Like It’s Soaked in Kerosene
Before most people knew her name, Kassi was offered 11 record deals, proof of the undeniable talent and star power she’s always had. In this episode, she shares how the music industry has both broken her heart and blessed her with a beautiful life and career.
We talk about her love of fashion and how every look is part of her storytelling. For Kassi, style is not separate from the music. It is an extension of who she is.
She also opens up about meeting her husband, the one person who was able to break through her walls. Their love story feels like pure soulmate material, and in true Kassi fashion, she even made her own wedding dress.
We dive into her powerful new song, Bitches, an empowering anthem inspired by the strong women who raised her and a reminder not to take any nonsense from anybody.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Adam Adam carry line.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
She's a queen and talking, so she's getting really.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Not afraid to feel as episode soul. Just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm actually really thrilled that you don't know Passy Ashen.
I've been such a fan of you since Taxidermy. And
by the way, I can't even find Taxidermy on Spotify.
Was looking for it. Please tell you didn't take it off.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Rude.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, it's just maybe not on the top. Yeah, it's
it's down there. It's gone. It's gotten lower than the
others because you're topping Taxidermy all the time. I don't
even play it at shows anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And when I get like, I'm I think when I
was on tour last year with John Party at one
of the shows that were people like with.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The taxidermyxrmy Taxidermy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Posters, and I was like, hey, girl, listen, you should
have know you should have bought a ticket four years ago,
because we don't play that anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why do you not play it?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's just it's just old and it doesn't fit old
to me. And then when it comes to like streaming
numbers or anything. It's not even like it has an
excess where it's like, Okay, that should still go in
the set because of its popularity.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I know, I don't know. And a lot of these
opening spots you get like twenty five minutes, I know,
so how many songs is that? Like five? So are
you playing because you just went up with Parking McCollum,
which okay, he's how cool to have him like creeping
on your back catalog and him saying like, hey, you
need to put this song out? Like what who does
(01:41):
Parker McCollum even listen to like let alone, Like he's
like listening to like deep cuts of Cassie Ashton saying
you need to put out the duet y'all? Did I
mean are your Besti's that is like I was, like,
that is flattering? I flattering for you? It is flattering.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
His plugger at Warner is Jesse Vaughn, who's like been
obsessed with that song since I wrote it because I
wrote with Beardine and John Randall, and I guess she's
sent it to me in the name of the song.
Is it sounds like something I'd say? It sounds like
something I'd say, Yes, And I don't know. I also
think that he he doesn't get enough credit for propping
up women, like he's constantly bringing like he he brings
(02:21):
out Lacey K. Booth as much as he brings out
me or he bring you know what I'm saying. He's
constantly propping up younger female artists and he lets us
come out and sing during his set.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, like what.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Like when you Well sounds like something I'd say or
something that makes sense, or like one of his favorite
songs of Lacey's he lets come out she just sings
it during his set.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, so what is that? What is that? How do
we define what that is? Because that is really awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think he's just kind and I think more than anything,
when you watch his show, he obviously wants to play
the hits, but like he's so it's a music lover.
He wants to play the songs that he loves. He's
not trying to like play Freebird over and over. He's like, no,
I make art I want to sing artistic songs and
(03:10):
I not to like prop him up over and over.
But the album he just put out, the self titled one,
that's what that is? Like You're like, oh, that's that's Parker,
and so he really shows that during the show, and
I think he looks at his fans like, hey, I
know what you want, but I also want to show
you what I want, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But see, like I love that so much because and
I feel like that's how you are as an artist.
You know, you get to this town, and this town
can really just shake you to the core. Yeah, and
it can really make you feel like you kind of
have to abandon oh yeah, your your your street, everything, everything, everything. Yeah,
(03:50):
and then it's like what makes you so unique and
so special and so like authentic. Then all of a
sudden it kind of gets like chipped away at Yeah,
And it happens so often to the point where like
a headliner like Parker wouldn't have the confidence to do
that where he plays songs that he loves because he's like, no,
this matters to me, right, you know. And you have
(04:12):
that confidence though, but like you earn that confidence, I'm
sure are you fought for that confidence? I mean, your
new song is called Bitches she Ain't Gotta Play. I
was like, I need some of that because I am
so nervous to be a bitch. I want to be
like a bitch and speak my mind. Yeah, I like
can't do it. It makes me so nervous.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that if you're lucky enough and tenacious enough
to stay in it for as long as I've been
in it, because I've had my publishing deal for a
decade in my rich twenty fifteen sixteen, and my record
deal since the end of twenty seventeen, And if you're
lucky enough and tenacious enough, because there's a line to
be here that long, you do go through.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The full cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Tell me the cycle when you come in and you're like, well,
from personal experience, you come in and you're like, I'm
the shit.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Nobody was telling me anything.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I just got all these record deal offers. I'm then
you get multiple eleven. No, you did not every pop
major in every country major.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How did everybody know about you? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They all just like they whisper and then they're like, no,
I'm gonna get her and on.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, you had a lea then record deal offer to you. Yeah,
that's almost like a problem because now how do you
make a choice, because like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You bet against each other, you do you put them
in a little ring and you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Make them fight. So what were your main uh things
that you're trying to go for? Obviously you want money,
but then like what else are like the things your point?
What are the deal points that matter to you?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The money really the advance like wasn't important to me?
I want you know, you have to pay that. I
wanted more points on my album, less points for them,
less percentage on merch for them, less percentage on.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Touring for them.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I had an entire page or two pages in the
contract where anything I put out later that is not
music related, like fashion lines or motorcycle lines or anything,
they don't get the license my name. Anything that's put
out with my face or my name I have to approve.
So even if I die, they can't put out the
greatest Hits album because they wouldn't have my approval.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How did you know how to be that smart? Because
I'm guessing you're probably like in your twenties when you
got these offers. I was twenty two, Yeah, they were
twenty two. How do you know how to be that smart?
I mean most people are just like so stupid. I
went to Belmont, step I went to Belmont, So you
actually learned? I mean I tried my best. Yeah, you learned,
you learned the rules of the music businesses.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Your right law was a terrible class. Did you learn
You learned though, yeah, like barely. Did you know that you're.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Gonna need it? Yes, you're like I need to listen. Yes,
and I had.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I had a lawyer, Austin Adams who now runs Warner Chapel.
He was my lawyer at the time, and he was
the baddest like he just he was like, Hey, this
isn't a thing, but we're gonna make it a thing now,
like the the look and feel approval no matter what.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That was his idea because he knew that I was picky.
So how'd you get so picky? How did you get
so confident? And how did you like? How'd you get
like this? By the way, I'm gonna squirrel around here
for a second because there's so many little trails I
want to follow. I cannot with your wedding and your
husband and you guys, well, first off, you're just like
(07:19):
just like the ultimate love story because you're like the
woman who can't be got. You cannot no one can
get you. Your heart is so protected and like in
your wedding vows and you're saying it like, like my
whole life, I've had this like giant or your husband
said this about you. Yeah, your whole life, You've had
like a giant metal gate around you. Yeah, and like
nothing can get in. Yeah, but like inside is all
(07:42):
this beauty and this art and this beautiful like tender
love probably, but it's like fiercely protected. He said.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
One time we were dating for like six months, and
we were drawing, because he can draw to the inside
of each other's brain, and he drew a planet that
was filled with like fashion, motorcycles and music and food,
and it had a ten foot tall barbedire top prison
fence around it. And I remember like seeing it and
just like balling, and I knew. I was like, Okay,
(08:10):
I'm clearly marrying this guy. I'm making him wait for
like a really long time because that's, you know, my
own little thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What is that fired about you? Why I gotta make
him wait? I think I just prove it. He's a
prove it. No, it's not just prove it. It's in
my brain. I just was constantly like, I have a career.
I have a career. I have a career. And I
was told that I couldn't have both, Like it was
your women I've talked to who like say this and
then take a step further when you want to have
a baby, Oh oh my god, it's like you feel
like you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah. And I just was told my whole life that
like you you are a superstar in like man ain't shit,
and like if you get yeah, and like if you
get married, that's almost like demeaning.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Who taught you that? My mother? Where did she get
that idea? I don't know? Is your mom? Is she
married to your dad? So no, no, they were never married.
Oh they weren't married. Yeah, though, okay, are they friends
or is it? Just like?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I haven't talked to my mom in over a decade.
So don't you gonna talk to your mom? Why not?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Because she's cuckoo really cool puffs?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh man? Does she raise you?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah? Her and my dad both? So what is this?
What is the relationship with your mom and your dad?
Like growing up? I don't talk. What was it like
when you're with your mom? What were you like when
your dad?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What are you like? So at mom's house, I grew
up in town. She's from Nashville, so she sings, my
older sister sings, and was just us three.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
In the house. Is it the mom, same mom?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, same mom, different dads, and she you know, covered
in tattoos, thirteen piercings, plat and blonde, four boyfriends at
one time, beauty pageants, ballet. I mean everything that you
can possibly. You are a star. You are a star.
You are a star. My whole life, the theater, yeah,
state theater, competition, competition.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Why does she want you to be? You are a star?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She popped out the loom and I was like, I
want to be a star. So then she was like, okay,
so she was just saying I believe in you. Yeah,
were singing on you? No, no, I mean without getting
into it. I wasn't really allowed to do anything else,
but I was also happy to be doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So it's like a double edged sword.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And then at my dad's house, you know, he lives
out in the middle of nowhere. Our closest neighbors are amish.
I shot musslil loads competitively in my whole life dirt
by yeah, like a black powder, like a really old
school gun. Yeah is your dad Oh yeah, yeah, my
whole family is.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They're hillbillies. I don't call them country, I call them hillbillies.
Is your mama hill billy? No, she's kind of like trash,
but yeah, no she's not. No. So what had your
childhood shape you? How is the balance of your mom
versus your dad and you have two different worlds? I'm sure, yeah, yeah,
it's basically responsible for everything. I know that there's always
(10:48):
nature versus nurture, but it's a lot of it's a
lot of nurture in there. Like it's strange because when
I was younger, I was all into my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Side of it, like that's all I believed. I believe
that I thought my hometown was shit. I thought, you know,
everything besides big city lights and being a star was shit.
Even though I was riding horses and doing all this
other stuff at my dad's house. It was a really
like convoluted thing. And then as I got older and
(11:20):
started thinking for myself, I was like, wait a minute,
but I am thankful for both halves of it. Because
my dad wouldn't I love him to death, He wouldn't
have pushed me toward this and to be exactly who
I wanted to be like my mom did. Like even
though we don't speak. I would never not give her
the credit that she's due for everything she did do
(11:42):
for me and the way I was raised. And like,
if you're asking where I got the bitch mentality, where
I got the no, I'm gonna get it done, I
don't care. I don't care what you think. That's my mom, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Your mom made it happen. Oh yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
Oh yeah, for sure, that's a that's a skill set.
Thank you. Yeah, okay, So growing up, when did you
put it all together? Where did fashion come from? Because
I like fashion for you is just as much as
important as like the music, like they kind of are married.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, again, my mom grew up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You're got a lot of skills and a lot of gifts. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
My mom grew up super, super poor, and there was
a church with a church donation bin behind her house,
and she would steal clothes out of the church donation
bin and sew them up to fit her like hand
sew them. And then finally, I guess saved up for
a sewing machine.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And then when I was so is your mom kind
of glamorous? Like did she enjoy fashion and beauty?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And I think it was always like, even if you're
dirt poor, you don't have to look dirt poor. It
doesn't mean that you don't take care of things, or
that you don't do your best to present you know
what you're worth. I guess I love that. Yeah, okay,
And so I was from being in ballet, beauty pageants
(13:00):
and all that stuff. She would have to sew up
my costumes or sew them in general from scratch, and
as a kid, even any anything that was presented to
me where I could have creative control or options to
create something, I wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
How to do that thing. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you.
Your fashion is amazing. Thank you, Like it's so good.
Thank you. Your wedding dress, how did you do that?
Thank you? How do you do that? It's like a cut? Sure,
I'm gonna say that. Sure, how do you say that?
Like cuture? Cuture? You could have your own runway, runway show.
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I look at the prices of wedding dresses that are
made with a machine, and there's no way in hell
I'm spending money on that. I remember going wedding dress
shopping with my best friend and for her wedding and
she was picking out dresses that were like, you know,
three or four thousand dollars, and I'm looking at the
seams and I'm like, do not buy this, Like this
is made like crab. Like if that's what you want,
(13:57):
I'll sew it for you. It'll cost like five five
hundred and seven hundred dollars in fabric, will be good.
I knew that I wanted to make my own just
because I like weird stuff and I'm so picky.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And what's your vibes? Like, what was the theme.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Of my dress? I love old world, deconstructed textural things.
I want something I don't have to iron or be
delicate with. I like things that look otherworldly instead of classic.
Classic for me makes me feel weird. If I put
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it on, I'm like, I feel like I have to
walk like this. And it started with this piece of
gepir lace that the lady that I bought it from
in Florida. She bought it at the Paris text Dilexpo
in the nineties and it's like the most gorgeous piece
of pearl fabric I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And just went from there.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I watched my favorite ballet on film, like over and
over as I made it and you did.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh yeah, so what were you what was the what
was your mental mindset? Like, what were you going for
when you're making it? If you're watching Ballet?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I just wanted to feel like a creature that came
out of the ocean and described the inner world that
Travis drew. So what what is me and everything I
love and have always loved? If the bar boar fence
wasn't surrounding it? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You're like walking art, Yes you are, you really are,
because it's just all over you. Like there's like you're
not like you're not a compartmentalized thank You're just like
one big giant masterness. Yes, but it's great because it's
like all of you all the time, you know, like
some people can kind of compartmentalize, but I don't feel
(15:53):
like you can.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No, no, And the things that don't fit in that compartment,
I just don't do.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Puts over there? Yeah yeah, okay, So how bitches come about?
Why and this new sound like you're very much you're
like you've always been bold, but like how could you
even be bolder? But here you are bolder? Why is this?
Tell me about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I would say this pertains to what we were
talking about, where if you're here long enough, there's a
cycle where like you come in, you're like, I'm the shit,
and then you get to a point where you know
you're a radio failed radio or two single in that
really messes with your and they're psyche and there's people
who they want to help you, but they're suggesting everything
(16:32):
is like okay, it's your manager, or it's your producer,
or it's your image or it's your and then you
just get smaller and smaller and smaller. And then you
wake up one day, or at least I did, and
you're singing songs and you're.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Like, I don't like these. I do not like these.
I don't feel like myself.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
If I, you know, put in a room all the
people that I admire, I wouldn't want to play this
for them.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh that's a good that's a good litmus test.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Or like my show that I'm putting on now would
not make sense opening up for all the artists I
listened to. So why am I doing this? And why
and why do I play such nice girl? It's not working,
Like it's just not me waiting in line and being
patient and waiting my turn.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I've done it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Over and over and over for years, thinking that you know,
those who were supposed to help, we're gonna help, or
those who were supposed to listen or speak up, we're
gonna do so.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And that didn't happen. And so I.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Remember having a meeting with a couple of people at
my label last year and I was like, Okay, what
were some of the major factors for my first album
not working? That's a good question within the building, and like,
please say not Sugarcoat, but they say, and I told him,
I was like, be honest, I know it wasn't the music.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I gotta be honest, I know it was I know
it wasn't the music. So what was it? So the
music you loved, yes, you're just proud. I thought the
production was great. I thought the songwriter was great. I
was like, what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Okay, and well you did at least you could stand
by that. Yeah, we did two songs on the album
that we're in the top thirty, so.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
You can't tell, you know, just what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And they there were a plethora of things. They were
being very honest, but they were like, hey, everybody on
your team and you has to be more aggressive because
you're our friend and we love what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But if we have another artists manager.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Coming to us and saying they're gonna call the CEO
and threaten our job if we don't get their thing done,
I'm gonna do theirs first.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Because my neck is on the line and I'm sitting
there and I'm like, damn, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't want to do that, and I feel fun.
I'm never gonna do that. Like, I'm not gonna threaten
someone's jobs. Never crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I hate that. I hate that that happens.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But if you want me to call you every day
over and over until you do it, if you want
me to be annoying, yeah, then I'll be annoying. That's fine,
And just know I'm doing it, like from the like
from the loveliest part of I'm like. So then when
we started writing the music for this album, it was
just like that's what I had inside me of just
I've waited so long and I've been so patient, and
(19:10):
I've watched people be put in line, you know, ahead
of me, ahead of me, ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm done. Yeah, how do the people jump spots?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Like that they're squeaky wheeling more than me, or you
know they by coincidence they have a viral moment or
they whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's not anything that I can control. But I just
think it's so crazy that, like, like you said, you
start off with eleven record deals from all over the world,
like like fighting for you, uh huh. And then as
soon as like a radio, if someone gets a little
bit of a scare or like you know, a song
doesn't like just skyrocket up the charts, then everyone gets
(19:46):
freaked out and tries to change the whole thing. Yep.
And then it enters into mass chaos because now people
are losing their identity, you know, like you don't it's
like you don't know how to be. Yeah, and it happens.
It happens. I It happens to everyone at some point.
It's a lot of it's hard not to have that
happen to you. It's a lot of money that goes
into therapy, for sure. I love therapy. What's your favorite kind?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I have two therapists. Oh, do you talk therapy? Yes,
because I've heard about this ett therapy where they like
go in and like rewire your brain. You look at
colors and then you speak out loud. You're like anxiety,
like when you have an anxious moment, and then the
colors like you like go back and forth and somehow
like it gets your brain talking. Apparently it's a game changer.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's insane. I want to do the one where they
like hypnotize you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
My neighbor does that. Yeah, you go to your past lives,
that's crazy. If you need a great recommendation, Okay, yeah
it's yeah. I'll try anything. I'll try anything. I'll try
anything too. Yeah, like why not me up? I don't know,
Like what are you trying to find out? Exactly? But
like what are you trying to find out? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I at this point, I've been with my main therapist
for nine years and then I've been with I call
her my my other therapist, my brain doctor. It's totally
not the title. But she has like twelve letters after
her name, and I'm like, I don't know what else
to call you, because there's no way that there's one name.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For that half the alphabet. Yeah, and so she I've
been with her for like two and a half years.
What got you into therapy? Someone telling me that they
thought I was bipolar. It's a large statement. I know,
why did someone say that? I mean, I guess I
was acting cuckoo. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And then and then I remember my first therapist was like, no,
you know, you're not bipolar, like you're just hyperactive.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And blah blah blah blah. And then eight years in
I went to my brain doctor and she was like,
so you have psyclothymia. It's within the bipolar family. And
I was like, ah, shit, dang, I know. So do
you take medicine for it? Mm hmm, that's great. Yeah,
I'm telling you. You never know what's going on with people.
I know, you know, yeah, like seriously, everybody has got
(21:50):
stuff going on and things that they are just like
on their own dealing with and navigating. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I like it, though it goes towards the songwriter. I
was just like plain and you know, no hate to
those people.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I'm very happy. But like, if a bad speck.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never fell on me, I would just have nothing to
sing about or ride about or create about. How could
I reach people if I didn't have all that.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I feel like mental like like working on my mental
health is like one of my main hobbies that I do,
which is great. I wish everyone would have done. I know,
I feel like you kind of do that too. Thanks. Yeah,
I try, I try. So what was it about Travis
that got through the big old barbier gate and built
the flowery door?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
He is? There's a million things I could say, but
he is just as independent of a person as I am.
He's not clingy, he's not insecure, he's not trying to
cage you up.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He he very much understood very quickly that I don't
want lines to converge. I want to run parallel, and
I'm not going to change who I am, and I
don't want him to change who he is. And I
don't want to be told what to do, and I won't.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Tell him what to do.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And all of our morals and our values and are
kind of out of the box thinking are all the same.
We're all kind of we're both strange people and what
we believe and what we think about the world and
humans and what happens while we're here. And he's the
most lovable person ever, he's the kindest, but then when
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he has to be mean and the other situations he'll like,
he'll do it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I respect that so much.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And he's from Missouri and I'm from Missouri, which I
never would have thought I would find somebody from my
home state.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But he's he's fabulous. Is he a creative obviously.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, but he runs a publishing company, so he's way
more involved in the business side of it. But yeah,
he's just as strange as me.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, Okay, I heard one of your songs. You're talking
about star seeds and stuff. Yeah, I like that. So
are we like aliens reincarnating? I think all the above.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I feel like I don't have the answer, and neither
does he, and we we feel like we don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
What do you like to ponder about? Like, what are
some big questions I'll like to like ponder together? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I feel like we we will have deep conversations about
our theories, and then we'll get to the end of
it and go, well, we're on a spinning rock of
the middle space and we're.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Both gonna die.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So we can have these conversations all day long, but
it does not prevent the actual inevitable.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I love that y'all just sit around and converse. Oh yeah,
is that weird? You'll just to chat it up. M
h I love that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I always think, like when we're at a restaurant, I'm
like that the tables are too close. I'm like, we're
totally being eavesdropped on. There's no way that these people
are not Like what are they talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah? Okay, so what is this new error? Like? What
is the past? How would you describe who you are?
Who we have seen fire and who were going into?
Like what is happening here? What is the shifting?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I think before Made from the Dirt, the first album
came out. Music was released so sparsely that there were
a bunch of many eras that did not always go
together with a common threads that I like that, yeah,
but like a song would come out based off of
what I was currently obsessed with listening to other stuff,
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and they didn't always flow.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then when Made.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
From the Dirt got made, and Made from the Dirt,
the Blooms the Deluxe, which was the album to begin.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
With, and then they made me cut it down. Oh
that's cool, see you just finally put the full thing out. Yeah,
it was. That was the original record. It was just
an introduction.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I wanted to tell people sort of what I had
been through, what I had come from where I wanted
to go. Till the Lights Go out is a song
right before the last track. It's like, Hey, whether it's
sessful or not, this is what I'm gonna do. If
this is the only project I ever get to put out,
I'm happy with it. There was a song about my grandma.
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It was really just like why nay I am? It
was really just no pun intended Like the Roots, it
was how do I give you this solid foundation of
who I am? And then this one is I would
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say more of just my actual internal being instead of
like here's here's where I come from, and here are
the things that I feel soft about and in my vulnerability,
and and here are the deep things about me. This
one's like who I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Not to get everything away?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Who wants to bite somebody and then go dance? Like
who is tired of the shit? I just don't feel
like I know how to be soft. I know all
the things. I know who is worth being soft for.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Oh that's a good pot.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I know who's worth being soft for. I know when
it is appropriate to be soft. But I'm at a
place when I've also learned that it is okay to
not be. I made it full circle where like I
was afraid to be, I wouldn't allow myself to be.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Then I swung the other way. Went too far? Yeah,
I went too far. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Now I'm back to like, No, I can tell that
person to fuck off.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I really can. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And that doesn't mean that I'm I'm broken or I'm
insecure or I'm hiding behinde something. No, that person was rude,
and they really can have the day they deserve, you know, like,
and I'm happy to tell them because somebody needs to.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They could have a day they just that, And I
just want to give I just want to give women specifically, Sorry, men,
you get them. You have enough women specifically the juice
to keep.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Going, Like I just we know what it is to
be soft. We know when we're feeling our emotions.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We got it. Like we've done that and now I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, now let's learn how to be tough. And why
don't I help you punch somebody in the.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Face because you deserve that. You deserve to punch that
person in the face. Thank you. Either way, I need
to learn how to throw some punches.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and it's just like that doesn't make you a
bad person. It's just maybe that person deserves to get punched.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it doesn't make you a bitch either. No, even
though you say you come from a long line of bitches. Yeah,
they empowerment that they just know how to stand up
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, And I think I'm so so grateful that the majority,
the large majority, understood what I meant automatically, you know,
because you're like, Okay, are people gonna you know, sometimes
you think audience is smarter than they are, and then
you get the feedback and they're like, Okay, you missed
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it or we missed it. And then sometimes I don't
give them enough credit where they're way smarter than what
I assumed. And it was so so lovely over the
past week and a half that it's been out in
the weeks prior that I was teasing it, that people
understood automatically what I meant.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And I even have people.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There was a girl that slid into my dms. I'm
getting all these dms like, Hey, this reminds me my grandma.
Love this so much, can't wait to put this for
my mom. I got a DM the other day from
a girl.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That said I want you to know.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
My mom's celebration of life is this weekend and I
am making a slide show of her life and I'm
gonna use this song as the slide Joe, and I
was like, I'm gonna ball, like.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, but I love that you're showing women like you
just said you did the full circle it was too soft,
too hard, and then come like met in the middle
and now you can use discernment, you know, like you're wise,
have you gain wisdom? And yeah, But I think though
that it's so inspiring because like, also about you is
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like you make this very clear, like I am not
after your man, but I'm also going to be hot
as shit. I'm like for you, I'm for you, And
so many women have a hard time presenting and being
sexy without feeling threatening, and I feel like you are
just so clear that like this is just who I am.
I'm sorry, I'm sexy as shit, but like I want
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you to have a great, happy life with your husband.
I'm not trying to like you know, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I remember I made this video last year that I
was like, I don't want your man. I just want
you to remember that you're hot enough that you don't
want him either like I just want you, like I
want you, and I watch that in real time, and
I hope I always see it because it's one of
my favorite things to watch while I'm performing is I
will walk out in my belly shirt and my ti
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leather pants and there might be women at the at
the beginning that are looking at me like because they
think that I'm there for the men, or I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
About to be like a floozy or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And I will watch them over the show flip in
real time, and by the end they get it. They're like,
oh she yeah, like she, And I'm like, I want
you to feel hot. I know how much stuff in
this world bogs you down. It makes you feel insecure.
Social media can make you feel insecure. Retouch this retouch
that can make you feel insecure. Your man looking at
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the waitress or whatever can make you feel less than
you are. So if I can remind you that you
are allowed to be a hot bitch for yourself and
only yourself, then I want to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tell me, Okay, I feel like a lot of women
forget that they are hot, or maybe they never believe
they are the essence of the world. They never believed
it to begin with, So like, how do you find
that within yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I think you just have to learn to love yourself
and not care. And I know that's hard, it's easier
said than done, but I think you it also starts
with like really asking yourself what you like, because if
you're following a trend and you know, whether it's makeup
or clothes or body shape or or whatever, if you're
falling a trend, but deep down behind whatever societal thing
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that's been ingrained in you, if you don't find that cute,
you're not gonna feel good when you put it on.
If you try to play dress up in someone else's clothes,
you're never gonna think you're hot. So I think it
starts from.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Like what do you like find it? Yes? What do
you think is cool? And as long as it always
comes from there, it doesn't matter because then you dress
because it makes you feel good. Yes, try serotonin dressing, yeah,
but a serotonin dressing where you just dressed to be happy.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It doesn't have to like match or match the kind
of event that you're going to or the dress code.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You just wear whatever you want. Is that kind of
when you started making clothes yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
My mom would buy me old prom dresses and wedding
dresses from Salvation Army and I would tear them apart
and put them back together.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
But you're so good, like you're such a masterful seamstress.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't think that, but thank you very much. Every
time I make something, pretty much I have to YouTube
how to do a party.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You do it is the thing, and you make it
look amazing, like you made all your bridesmaids dresses I did.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I wanted them to feel beautiful. I wanted to ask them,
I hate bridesmaid dresses when they all match because everybody's
body is different, everybody's color palette is different. And then
I had four bridesmaids whose color palettes and body shapes
are all different. I want them to feel beautiful. I
don't want them to have to wear a corset or like,
you know, not be able to dance, or their feet
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her or whatever. So I made Pinterest boards for each
of them of shapes that fit my wedding, and then
they could go in their pintress board and pick out
their favorite pieces like and then I would go, Okay, what.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Do you love about your body? What do you hate
about your body.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I want you My only rules are I want you
to be able to eat, dance, pea like this is
supposed to be comfortable. And I want a lot of
fabric because I think it's lush, you know, it's not.
I would rather you wear a gigantic moumo because it's
lovely than like a string, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I want you to have a good time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And we're going to be on an island and just
just be chill, like I don't want you to be
like no.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah. So then I.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Picked out you know, what's your favorite part, which you're
not favor part? Okay, we'll work around it. And then
I picked out colors that I thought applied to my
wedding but also look good with their skin.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And their hair. Well did they just love it? Yeah?
That's really special. Thank you. You have a lot of
energy to make things really beautiful and special. Thank you.
That takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I feel like I'm hateful if the things around me
aren't what do you mean beautiful?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Because whatever, what you know what you can make it?
If you just did it, I have what yes, And
then you don't do it, then you're like I could
have made that more beautiful, yes, or like if I
walk in somewhere like Isabella from a Conto, she just
like walks in the room and everything is like I
just I have whatever mental illness is, like when you
walk into a restaurant and your next starts hurting because
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the wall color doesn't match, the menu doesn't match, the
chair doesn't match, the music, and you just know what
it's supposed to be. Oh, I'm like really, oh my god, yeah,
I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And it's not even like a it's not like a
money thing. It's not you can make things beautiful with
five dollars, just like, hey, let's make things magic.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
The life is shit. Life is shit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Human beings can be really shit, or like the procedures
or the expectations can.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Be really shit.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So let's try to squeeze out magic wherever we can,
like why not and just try like what happened to
trying for myself not to impress anyone else, just yeah yeah,
And you know, there were a lot of parts of
the wedding where people thought I was insane for doing
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I was like, I was what I want and you
are a and you wanted to see it come to life. Yeah,
like your wedding. It's like you walk into an experience.
You're not just like at a venue. It's like we
are in an alternate world. Yeah, what was the world?
Old world?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I I told everyone, like my planner, my photographer, the floorist,
Like an old world bisexual pirate invaded a castle and
we're throwing a party with their shit. Okay, the most
accentic or I just you know, old world eccentric. The
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locals in Key West, that's where I got married, call
themselves the island of misfit toys. I consider myself a
misfit toy. Like we don't have to follow any of
the standard procedures boring, Like, I just want this to
be true to who travels an ir as people. If
he wants to be barefoot all night, if he wants
to get married barefoot, he can. Like I just wanted
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to be beautiful and real and not.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Let make sure that no one feels like they're stuck
within some sort of box. Did you feel stuck in
a box at one point that made you want to
like never be boxed again? Oh yeah, what was your
box you got out of?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think one of my major afflictions is I always
feel like I'm stuck in a boxing against it. I
don't know if you're into enneagrams. Oh yeah, I'm a four.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm a four. Yeah, so I'm constantly like no one
gets it, you know what I was. I'm emotionally debilitated
every day. I cry every day. Yeah, get literally, I
take pills now. But yeah for you see, like you've
turned yours into beautiful confidence. I still get like like
to Suna me, oh yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But I realized that I put those They're my expectations
that I'm having a conniption over.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But do you feel emotional a lot like sad? I
have like an undertone melancholy normal, like everything you're Yes,
that's your base. It's been that way my whole life. Yeah,
me too, and I present really happy, but like really
I'm like Baseline melancholy. Yeah, I know, too bad, but
it's fine. It's also beautiful. Yeah, I like, though I
really don't. I tell everyone I feel like four is
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the worst, no, worst, But I'm not going to talk
about it because people, I know which one is the worst.
How do you know it's not us? We're great, No,
we're not. Like all of them have their own thing,
but there is one that I would rather die to be.
I'm glad I gives you an s with you. I
feel very privileged to be a four with you.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Good.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I love for They're exhausting. It is exhaust exhaust.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
We have the widest emotional range out of the entire spectrum, so.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It takes a certain someone to marry twos. Oh, I
love a hell. My husband is an eight, my dad
is an eight eights. Get stuff done. I know, I
love it, and they don't feel emotional about it. I
love it. I do love an eight.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Growing up it's was a little hard because I'm so emotional.
But now I'm like, thank God for eight.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He's an eight wing seven, So like socially he's a seven.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's so fun, I know, and he's a segretarious so yeah,
he's yep.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And then when it's time to like get it and
I'm a three, I'm a four wing three, So when
it's time for me to get it done, I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Gonna get it done. Like, let's go. I want the trophy.
Its the same. I'm not an astrologist or anything like that,
but this feels very good.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And I'm an Aquarius and he's a sagittarius, so it's
like the two like weirdos.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Just so when y'all met, was it finally just like, Oh,
I have a resting place now he my heart can rest.
I laugh at this story.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
When I met him, we had a mutual friend introduced
us in Key West, and I, other than my husband,
have never dated or kissed a blonde guy.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
My husband is blonde, like blonde. It was just not
in my experience, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And but I remember as soon as I met him,
I was at a place where, like, I had never
done therapy, So the thought of making friends or being
in a public space in a crowd where I wasn't
performing was very difficult for me. Why I was only
ever good at being social if I was performing.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Okay, So what happens when you're not performing? Like what
do you feel back then? Like terrified? Like I just
did not want to talk?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I shared of the people, Yes, I assume that everyone
thought horrible things about me? Why and that if two
people were whispering over there, they were whispering about me.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I used to think that too, Yeah, but then you realize,
like you said, no one gives a shit about about me?
And if they are marlook great.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, And I remember when I take you down, oh
terrible hole.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I just couldn't have friends. I just wasn't good at
having They were all like secretly talking about you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And I didn't know how to relate to people because
I wasn't allowed as a kid to.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Leave my house.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Basically, yeah, I won't go into more of that, but
I was not allowed to do anything besides go to
ballet or go to beauty pageants.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But when I met Travis, he felt secure. I was
in this.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We were on the pier in Key West and there's
hundreds of people, and I wanted to go back to.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
My hotel room so bad.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
And I just met him, and automatically I was like,
I think I'm just gonna stand by this guy.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
He felt like regulated.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was just like, I think I'm just okay cool.
I hope he doesn't think I'm.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Weird his energy feeling regulated. I was just like, this
isn't he's not bothering me. He doesn't bother me. He's
still to this day, he don't bother me.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
His energy charge is just so yep, chill.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And then I remember I saw him the next night
because I was leaving the bar where everyone was because
I was just overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'm like, I don't want to do this. And he
was a big impath too, obviously, so you just feel everything. Yeah,
So when you're like a you're like an open you know,
like a live wire. When you're out there, you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's like small talk, and I'm just like, I can't,
I don't want to do this. It's yeah, I feel
like claustrophobic in this environment. And he was dancing with
three girls, like the center of the party, and he
was wearing this this light blue denun button up shirt
that was half unbuttoned because when I met him, he
was wearing white tank top that said qualified to party.
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And his haircut was terrible. So I wasn't like thinking like, oh,
this guy's so hot. Yes, in a haircut that looked
like it was like done with a ruler.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
He didn't even care. No, he did not give it,
and he I know he don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So when I went over to him at the bar
because I wanted to leave, but I was wearing basically
like a band aid, and my scooter was like a
couple of blocks away and it was two o'clock in
the morning, and I was like, hey, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Well you walk me to my scooter, Like I just
you had never talked to him before.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
We talked on the pier the night before like with
everyone in a social gathering, but no.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But I was just like, hey, I.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Know I shouldn't walk by myself and he was like, yeah,
no problem. And I remember he walked toward me and
his eyes are like like the most piercing blue, and
so the shirt was bringing his eyes out, and his
hair with the haircut because he was sweating and dancing,
it was messed up where you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Tell that it had been cut with a ruler. And
I remember being like, are you hot? Like I just
in my brain being like like I think you're hot.
I think you're like really hot. Wow, Like you're.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Hiding it from You're like yeah, I couldn't tell you
du with the bro tank, but like you know, because
the white shorts and the bro tank was like throwing
me off.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah yeah, but like if I were your friend, I
would be like, hey, your whole clouset.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Should be blue, like stop wearing that other shit, like
you know, and don't let your hair like just do
this a little bit like and yeah, he just the
rest of that trip, he was like a comfort blanket.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
And little did I know he had had a crush
on me for like a year, so he has he
set the whole thing up, like what I mean it
would take for he it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I came to find out a year later that so
I got invited when I got there to be in
this group text with everyone that was like my age
at the festival, pluggers or songwriters whatever.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
This is a key West.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So yes, I found out a year later that he
set up with his roommate. He set that group text
up so that he could get my phone number.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
And then it'd be casual for him to talk to you. Yes,
because he goes, I've introduced it. Oh yeah, He's like,
I introduced myself to you twice before this. I'm like,
I don't. I don't remember that at all. But he
wasn't being like annoying about it. He's like, no, no,
he's no. He plays the long game. He was trusting
that you weren't gonna get swooped up.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And he just and there was even like a time
where he was like during that week we were there,
he was like a bunch of us are going jet
skiing later, like.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Do you want to go?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I was like, yeah, I have a meeting with
an A and R like because I was in the
middle of picking a record deal, but like after that,
I'll come jet skiing.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And I went.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
To like go put stuff in my scooter after the meeting,
and I couldn't find my scooter key, couldn't find it anywhere.
Called the scooter company. I'm waiting on the side of
the building for the scooter company to come and he
comes like creeping around the back of this ye wait
you and I go, hey, I thought you were going
jet skiing, and he like looked at me and he
was like, uh oh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We just decided not to go, like it's it is
pretty rough out there, like whatever. And I was like
all right, cool, Like I lost my key, I'm.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Just waiting for whatever. I didn't think anything about it.
Come to find out a year later, no one.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Was going jet skiing. He's making it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
He was. He was doing it to get me to
go jet skiing with him, and he was trying to
hide and that's why he was sneaking around the back
of the building.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Stop. Yeah, I love that I know me too. So
how did you know he loved you?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I mean, obviously everyone loves you, but like, no, that's
not true.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't know. You just knew it, I guess. Yeah,
and you didn't even know who he was and he
loved you for a whole year before. Yeah, maybe, or
I thought I was pretty I don't know. Well, yeah,
not wrong, thank you man. Okay, So you're really in
a good phase right now, aren't you. Yeah, you're feeling great.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I'm having the time of my life. I get clad
back of haters whenever I want.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm having a great time because you don't care anymore. No,
not that you ever really.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, but it's like, and I feel I always loved
and appreciated my fans, knew they were important, but I
had my nose so far up what the industry was
telling me. I get that to be you know what
I'm saying. Yes, and now I feel like I have
friends within the industry. I care about what they think.
(46:11):
I love them. I love to work together.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But I'm like really concentrating on my fans. What do
you want? What do you want? We're friends. I talk
to you every day on social media.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I make stories like we're on FaceTime, because that's just
how I want the relationship to be. I'm not trying
to prop myself up. I'm not trying to come off
as a celebrity to you. I am a person who
is a creative that makes stuff, and y'all like to
look or listen to the stuff and I appreciate that,
and I want you when you come to my show
to feel like you know me as a person, so
(46:42):
I give a shit about what you want.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I love that. Yeah, thanks, that's how I should be.
Thank you. Well, okay, so you're going Are you going
on tour with Parker? Are you again? How did y'all
become such great friends?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Just didn Yeah, he when he came up and started
talking to me about sounds like something i'd say. He
just got along like instantly. He has the same kind
of sarcasm that I do. And he's never told me
what his enneagram is, but I think.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's a four. You think, Yeah, he's never told me.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I could be wrong, but he you could tell like
he really cares about lyrics and like deeper questions and stuff,
and he's always been kind. And then he asked me
to open up for him at Red Rocks two years
ago and we sang Burn It Down together to end
the show, and we.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Were like, damn, we sound good together too, And.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's just always in passing. He's lovely, his wife is lovely.
I met his whole family. We played together a show
New Year's Eve, and they're all just cool.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
And I love his voice.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I love his music, and I think that mutual appreciation
for each other's art kind of drives the friendship.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's cool, though, you know, it's like musically musically connect
like that. Yeah, it doesn't always happen, I know, but
I feel like I try.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
If I'm at an event and there's someone who I
really really like what they do, I try to go
up and be like, hey, sick, you know, because I
think a lot of times false compliments can be given
back and forth because they use it in place of
small talk, and I just obviously I can't. I don't
do that, but when I do, I feel like I
try to go up to someone and be like, hey,
(48:18):
I thought that was really sick. Literally it's downloaded, like
I bought it in my album. I think it's really cool.
Your voice is really cool. You have your own lane.
I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you. You're so cool.
I literally am so excited that we got to talk.
I've been a fan of you for a long time,
but you're just like cause you're so you and like
you're so talented than you. Your artistic talents are so
big and old and just like overflowing, and you're so
good at it. Thank you. I was like, man, you're
(48:48):
so cool.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
You know the you know the saying idle hands are
a devil's playground.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yes, that's me, you say. People are like, why do
you have hobbies? I'm like, because I'll make trouble if
I don't. Really is yes, I have to be doing
something you just accidentally will get into trouble. I mean
accidentally is kind of a subjective word, but yeah, you're
drawn to it. Yeah, so I just have to keep
my little hands busy. Good for you. Yeah, thank you. Hey,
(49:15):
I love that. It keeps me sane. Okay, so tell
us what to be looking like, where we look for
all the things, what to know about? Just give us
all the rundown so everyone can say.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, if you have not listened to bitches yet, so
good go do that go do that.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Don't be scared.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Every grandma I've met loves it, So don't be scared
to play for your grandma or your mom or your daughter.
Your daughter's allowed to sing bitches Justice once more music
and it won't take near as long as everything else
ever did. It's new, everything's new and fabulous, and if
you slide into my DMS, it's actually me answering.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
What's one word to describe the new music? Empowering? Okay,
I love that. It's a kind word. And when are
you going to the Parker mclem When you say starts
in June, fine for how long?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
June August to part of September, June, July August to
be fun? Yeah, I'm excited. Heck yeah, it's always a
good time.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yes, okay, I always drive up with leave your light. Okay,
I'm super open ended. All right, what do you want
people to know? Drop some inspo? Hmm okay.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
One thing that I keep in my head at all
times is your brain is wired to fill in the gaps.
So let's say someone nudge past you in an elevator
early in the morning and you think, oh my god,
that person is an asshole. Your brain will fill in
the circle with the worst possibility to protect you, because
(50:52):
that's it's your brain's job is to protect you, So
it's gonna fill in with the worst scenario it can
think of.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But if you're allowed to make up a bad story,
you are allowed.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
To make up a good story. So if somebody cuts
you off in traffic, you could think, fuck that person,
you hawk you know whatever. Or you could think, what
if their wife is giving birth right now and they're
really trying to get there. And it's not so much
giving people the benefit of the doubt because selfishly, it's
(51:24):
not about them, right, I'm not helping them. I'm helping me,
And so I can make up a good story. I
can fill that circle myself. I don't need my brain
to protect me because I will protect me if the
situation presents itself.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh that's a big awakening. Man. When did you grasp
that fully a couple of years ago? That was a
big day. Yeah, yeah, not clicked in. It made me
be like freedom. I think Brenee Brown said it. Do
you know who I'm talking about? Yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think she said it, and I was just like,
so I have to myself and I'm not perfect in
remembering that all the time, but I do try to
be like, I'm allowed to make up a good story.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I'm allowed to make up a good story. Yeah, oh
that's great. Thanks. Okay, Kathy Ashen, this is so Bud
of course, anytime thrill. Yeah that was great. Okay, bitch,
is it out now?
Adam Adam carry line.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
She's a queen and talking, so she's getting really.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Not afraid to feel as episode soul. Just let it flow.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
No one can do we quiet cary Line is sounding
car Line.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm actually really thrilled that you don't know Passy Ashen.
I've been such a fan of you since Taxidermy. And
by the way, I can't even find Taxidermy on Spotify.
Was looking for it. Please tell you didn't take it off.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Rude.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, it's just maybe not on the top. Yeah, it's
it's down there. It's gone. It's gotten lower than the
others because you're topping Taxidermy all the time. I don't
even play it at shows anymore.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And when I get like, I'm I think when I
was on tour last year with John Party at one
of the shows that were people like with.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
The taxidermyxrmy Taxidermy.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Posters, and I was like, hey, girl, listen, you should
have know you should have bought a ticket four years ago,
because we don't play that anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Why do you not play it?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's just it's just old and it doesn't fit old
to me. And then when it comes to like streaming
numbers or anything. It's not even like it has an
excess where it's like, Okay, that should still go in
the set because of its popularity.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I know, I don't know. And a lot of these
opening spots you get like twenty five minutes, I know,
so how many songs is that? Like five? So are
you playing because you just went up with Parking McCollum,
which okay, he's how cool to have him like creeping
on your back catalog and him saying like, hey, you
need to put this song out? Like what who does
(01:41):
Parker McCollum even listen to like let alone, Like he's
like listening to like deep cuts of Cassie Ashton saying
you need to put out the duet y'all? Did I
mean are your Besti's that is like I was, like,
that is flattering? I flattering for you? It is flattering.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
His plugger at Warner is Jesse Vaughn, who's like been
obsessed with that song since I wrote it because I
wrote with Beardine and John Randall, and I guess she's
sent it to me in the name of the song.
Is it sounds like something I'd say? It sounds like
something I'd say, Yes, And I don't know. I also
think that he he doesn't get enough credit for propping
up women, like he's constantly bringing like he he brings
(02:21):
out Lacey K. Booth as much as he brings out
me or he bring you know what I'm saying. He's
constantly propping up younger female artists and he lets us
come out and sing during his set.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, like what.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Like when you Well sounds like something I'd say or
something that makes sense, or like one of his favorite
songs of Lacey's he lets come out she just sings
it during his set.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, so what is that? What is that? How do
we define what that is? Because that is really awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I think he's just kind and I think more than anything,
when you watch his show, he obviously wants to play
the hits, but like he's so it's a music lover.
He wants to play the songs that he loves. He's
not trying to like play Freebird over and over. He's like, no,
I make art I want to sing artistic songs and
(03:10):
I not to like prop him up over and over.
But the album he just put out, the self titled one,
that's what that is? Like You're like, oh, that's that's Parker,
and so he really shows that during the show, and
I think he looks at his fans like, hey, I
know what you want, but I also want to show
you what I want, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
But see, like I love that so much because and
I feel like that's how you are as an artist.
You know, you get to this town, and this town
can really just shake you to the core. Yeah, and
it can really make you feel like you kind of
have to abandon oh yeah, your your your street, everything, everything, everything. Yeah,
(03:50):
and then it's like what makes you so unique and
so special and so like authentic. Then all of a
sudden it kind of gets like chipped away at Yeah,
And it happens so often to the point where like
a headliner like Parker wouldn't have the confidence to do
that where he plays songs that he loves because he's like, no,
this matters to me, right, you know. And you have
(04:12):
that confidence though, but like you earn that confidence, I'm
sure are you fought for that confidence? I mean, your
new song is called Bitches she Ain't Gotta Play. I
was like, I need some of that because I am
so nervous to be a bitch. I want to be
like a bitch and speak my mind. Yeah, I like
can't do it. It makes me so nervous.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think that if you're lucky enough and tenacious enough
to stay in it for as long as I've been
in it, because I've had my publishing deal for a
decade in my rich twenty fifteen sixteen, and my record
deal since the end of twenty seventeen, And if you're
lucky enough and tenacious enough, because there's a line to
be here that long, you do go through.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The full cycle.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Tell me the cycle when you come in and you're like, well,
from personal experience, you come in and you're like, I'm
the shit.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Nobody was telling me anything.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
I just got all these record deal offers. I'm then
you get multiple eleven. No, you did not every pop
major in every country major.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
How did everybody know about you? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They all just like they whisper and then they're like, no,
I'm gonna get her and on.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, you had a lea then record deal offer to you. Yeah,
that's almost like a problem because now how do you
make a choice, because like.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You bet against each other, you do you put them
in a little ring and you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Make them fight. So what were your main uh things
that you're trying to go for? Obviously you want money,
but then like what else are like the things your point?
What are the deal points that matter to you?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
The money really the advance like wasn't important to me?
I want you know, you have to pay that. I
wanted more points on my album, less points for them,
less percentage on merch for them, less percentage on.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Touring for them.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I had an entire page or two pages in the
contract where anything I put out later that is not
music related, like fashion lines or motorcycle lines or anything,
they don't get the license my name. Anything that's put
out with my face or my name I have to approve.
So even if I die, they can't put out the
greatest Hits album because they wouldn't have my approval.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
How did you know how to be that smart? Because
I'm guessing you're probably like in your twenties when you
got these offers. I was twenty two, Yeah, they were
twenty two. How do you know how to be that smart?
I mean most people are just like so stupid. I
went to Belmont, step I went to Belmont, So you
actually learned? I mean I tried my best. Yeah, you learned,
you learned the rules of the music businesses.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Your right law was a terrible class. Did you learn
You learned though, yeah, like barely. Did you know that you're.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Gonna need it? Yes, you're like I need to listen. Yes,
and I had.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I had a lawyer, Austin Adams who now runs Warner Chapel.
He was my lawyer at the time, and he was
the baddest like he just he was like, Hey, this
isn't a thing, but we're gonna make it a thing now,
like the the look and feel approval no matter what.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That was his idea because he knew that I was picky.
So how'd you get so picky? How did you get
so confident? And how did you like? How'd you get
like this? By the way, I'm gonna squirrel around here
for a second because there's so many little trails I
want to follow. I cannot with your wedding and your
husband and you guys, well, first off, you're just like
(07:19):
just like the ultimate love story because you're like the
woman who can't be got. You cannot no one can
get you. Your heart is so protected and like in
your wedding vows and you're saying it like, like my
whole life, I've had this like giant or your husband
said this about you. Yeah, your whole life, You've had
like a giant metal gate around you. Yeah, and like
nothing can get in. Yeah, but like inside is all
(07:42):
this beauty and this art and this beautiful like tender
love probably, but it's like fiercely protected. He said.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
One time we were dating for like six months, and
we were drawing, because he can draw to the inside
of each other's brain, and he drew a planet that
was filled with like fashion, motorcycles and music and food,
and it had a ten foot tall barbedire top prison
fence around it. And I remember like seeing it and
just like balling, and I knew. I was like, Okay,
(08:10):
I'm clearly marrying this guy. I'm making him wait for
like a really long time because that's, you know, my
own little thing.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
What is that fired about you? Why I gotta make
him wait? I think I just prove it. He's a
prove it. No, it's not just prove it. It's in
my brain. I just was constantly like, I have a career.
I have a career. I have a career. And I
was told that I couldn't have both, Like it was
your women I've talked to who like say this and
then take a step further when you want to have
a baby, Oh oh my god, it's like you feel
like you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah. And I just was told my whole life that
like you you are a superstar in like man ain't shit,
and like if you get yeah, and like if you
get married, that's almost like demeaning.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Who taught you that? My mother? Where did she get
that idea? I don't know? Is your mom? Is she
married to your dad? So no, no, they were never married.
Oh they weren't married. Yeah, though, okay, are they friends
or is it? Just like?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I haven't talked to my mom in over a decade.
So don't you gonna talk to your mom? Why not?
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Because she's cuckoo really cool puffs?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Oh man? Does she raise you?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah? Her and my dad both? So what is this?
What is the relationship with your mom and your dad?
Like growing up? I don't talk. What was it like
when you're with your mom? What were you like when
your dad?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What are you like? So at mom's house, I grew
up in town. She's from Nashville, so she sings, my
older sister sings, and was just us three.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
In the house. Is it the mom, same mom?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, same mom, different dads, and she you know, covered
in tattoos, thirteen piercings, plat and blonde, four boyfriends at
one time, beauty pageants, ballet. I mean everything that you
can possibly. You are a star. You are a star.
You are a star. My whole life, the theater, yeah,
state theater, competition, competition.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Why does she want you to be? You are a star?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
She popped out the loom and I was like, I
want to be a star. So then she was like, okay,
so she was just saying I believe in you. Yeah,
were singing on you? No, no, I mean without getting
into it. I wasn't really allowed to do anything else,
but I was also happy to be doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
So it's like a double edged sword.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
And then at my dad's house, you know, he lives
out in the middle of nowhere. Our closest neighbors are amish.
I shot musslil loads competitively in my whole life dirt
by yeah, like a black powder, like a really old
school gun. Yeah is your dad Oh yeah, yeah, my
whole family is.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
They're hillbillies. I don't call them country, I call them hillbillies.
Is your mama hill billy? No, she's kind of like trash,
but yeah, no she's not. No. So what had your
childhood shape you? How is the balance of your mom
versus your dad and you have two different worlds? I'm sure, yeah, yeah,
it's basically responsible for everything. I know that there's always
(10:48):
nature versus nurture, but it's a lot of it's a
lot of nurture in there. Like it's strange because when
I was younger, I was all into my mom.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Side of it, like that's all I believed. I believe
that I thought my hometown was shit. I thought, you know,
everything besides big city lights and being a star was shit.
Even though I was riding horses and doing all this
other stuff at my dad's house. It was a really
like convoluted thing. And then as I got older and
(11:20):
started thinking for myself, I was like, wait a minute,
but I am thankful for both halves of it. Because
my dad wouldn't I love him to death, He wouldn't
have pushed me toward this and to be exactly who
I wanted to be like my mom did. Like even
though we don't speak. I would never not give her
the credit that she's due for everything she did do
(11:42):
for me and the way I was raised. And like,
if you're asking where I got the bitch mentality, where
I got the no, I'm gonna get it done, I
don't care. I don't care what you think. That's my mom, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Your mom made it happen. Oh yeah, yeah, I appreciate that.
Oh yeah, for sure, that's a that's a skill set.
Thank you. Yeah, okay, So growing up, when did you
put it all together? Where did fashion come from? Because
I like fashion for you is just as much as
important as like the music, like they kind of are married.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, again, my mom grew up.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
You're got a lot of skills and a lot of gifts. Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
My mom grew up super, super poor, and there was
a church with a church donation bin behind her house,
and she would steal clothes out of the church donation
bin and sew them up to fit her like hand
sew them. And then finally, I guess saved up for
a sewing machine.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
And then when I was so is your mom kind
of glamorous? Like did she enjoy fashion and beauty?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
And I think it was always like, even if you're
dirt poor, you don't have to look dirt poor. It
doesn't mean that you don't take care of things, or
that you don't do your best to present you know
what you're worth. I guess I love that. Yeah, okay,
And so I was from being in ballet, beauty pageants
(13:00):
and all that stuff. She would have to sew up
my costumes or sew them in general from scratch, and
as a kid, even any anything that was presented to
me where I could have creative control or options to
create something, I wanted to know.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
How to do that thing. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you.
Your fashion is amazing. Thank you, Like it's so good.
Thank you. Your wedding dress, how did you do that?
Thank you? How do you do that? It's like a cut? Sure,
I'm gonna say that. Sure, how do you say that?
Like cuture? Cuture? You could have your own runway, runway show.
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
I look at the prices of wedding dresses that are
made with a machine, and there's no way in hell
I'm spending money on that. I remember going wedding dress
shopping with my best friend and for her wedding and
she was picking out dresses that were like, you know,
three or four thousand dollars, and I'm looking at the
seams and I'm like, do not buy this, Like this
is made like crab. Like if that's what you want,
(13:57):
I'll sew it for you. It'll cost like five five
hundred and seven hundred dollars in fabric, will be good.
I knew that I wanted to make my own just
because I like weird stuff and I'm so picky.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
And what's your vibes? Like, what was the theme.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Of my dress? I love old world, deconstructed textural things.
I want something I don't have to iron or be
delicate with. I like things that look otherworldly instead of classic.
Classic for me makes me feel weird. If I put
(14:34):
it on, I'm like, I feel like I have to
walk like this. And it started with this piece of
gepir lace that the lady that I bought it from
in Florida. She bought it at the Paris text Dilexpo
in the nineties and it's like the most gorgeous piece
of pearl fabric I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And just went from there.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I watched my favorite ballet on film, like over and
over as I made it and you did.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Oh yeah, so what were you what was the what
was your mental mindset? Like, what were you going for
when you're making it? If you're watching Ballet?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I just wanted to feel like a creature that came
out of the ocean and described the inner world that
Travis drew. So what what is me and everything I
love and have always loved? If the bar boar fence
wasn't surrounding it? Thank you?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
You're like walking art, Yes you are, you really are,
because it's just all over you. Like there's like you're
not like you're not a compartmentalized thank You're just like
one big giant masterness. Yes, but it's great because it's
like all of you all the time, you know, like
some people can kind of compartmentalize, but I don't feel
(15:53):
like you can.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
No, no, And the things that don't fit in that compartment,
I just don't do.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Puts over there? Yeah yeah, okay, So how bitches come about?
Why and this new sound like you're very much you're
like you've always been bold, but like how could you
even be bolder? But here you are bolder? Why is this?
Tell me about it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I would say this pertains to what we were
talking about, where if you're here long enough, there's a
cycle where like you come in, you're like, I'm the shit,
and then you get to a point where you know
you're a radio failed radio or two single in that
really messes with your and they're psyche and there's people
who they want to help you, but they're suggesting everything
(16:32):
is like okay, it's your manager, or it's your producer,
or it's your image or it's your and then you
just get smaller and smaller and smaller. And then you
wake up one day, or at least I did, and
you're singing songs and you're.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Like, I don't like these. I do not like these.
I don't feel like myself.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
If I, you know, put in a room all the
people that I admire, I wouldn't want to play this
for them.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Oh that's a good that's a good litmus test.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Or like my show that I'm putting on now would
not make sense opening up for all the artists I
listened to. So why am I doing this? And why
and why do I play such nice girl? It's not working,
Like it's just not me waiting in line and being
patient and waiting my turn.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I've done it.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Over and over and over for years, thinking that you know,
those who were supposed to help, we're gonna help, or
those who were supposed to listen or speak up, we're
gonna do so.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
And that didn't happen. And so I.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Remember having a meeting with a couple of people at
my label last year and I was like, Okay, what
were some of the major factors for my first album
not working? That's a good question within the building, and like,
please say not Sugarcoat, but they say, and I told him,
I was like, be honest, I know it wasn't the music.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I gotta be honest, I know it was I know
it wasn't the music. So what was it? So the
music you loved, yes, you're just proud. I thought the
production was great. I thought the songwriter was great. I
was like, what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Okay, and well you did at least you could stand
by that. Yeah, we did two songs on the album
that we're in the top thirty, so.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
You can't tell, you know, just what is it?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
And they there were a plethora of things. They were
being very honest, but they were like, hey, everybody on
your team and you has to be more aggressive because
you're our friend and we love what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
But if we have another artists manager.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Coming to us and saying they're gonna call the CEO
and threaten our job if we don't get their thing done,
I'm gonna do theirs first.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Because my neck is on the line and I'm sitting
there and I'm like, damn, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, I don't want to do that, and I feel fun.
I'm never gonna do that. Like, I'm not gonna threaten
someone's jobs. Never crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I hate that. I hate that that happens.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
But if you want me to call you every day
over and over until you do it, if you want
me to be annoying, yeah, then I'll be annoying. That's fine,
And just know I'm doing it, like from the like
from the loveliest part of I'm like. So then when
we started writing the music for this album, it was
just like that's what I had inside me of just
I've waited so long and I've been so patient, and
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I've watched people be put in line, you know, ahead
of me, ahead of me, ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I'm done. Yeah, how do the people jump spots?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Like that they're squeaky wheeling more than me, or you
know they by coincidence they have a viral moment or
they whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
That's not anything that I can control. But I just
think it's so crazy that, like, like you said, you
start off with eleven record deals from all over the world,
like like fighting for you, uh huh. And then as
soon as like a radio, if someone gets a little
bit of a scare or like you know, a song
doesn't like just skyrocket up the charts, then everyone gets
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freaked out and tries to change the whole thing. Yep.
And then it enters into mass chaos because now people
are losing their identity, you know, like you don't it's
like you don't know how to be. Yeah, and it happens.
It happens. I It happens to everyone at some point.
It's a lot of it's hard not to have that
happen to you. It's a lot of money that goes
into therapy, for sure. I love therapy. What's your favorite kind?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I have two therapists. Oh, do you talk therapy? Yes,
because I've heard about this ett therapy where they like
go in and like rewire your brain. You look at
colors and then you speak out loud. You're like anxiety,
like when you have an anxious moment, and then the
colors like you like go back and forth and somehow
like it gets your brain talking. Apparently it's a game changer.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
That's insane. I want to do the one where they
like hypnotize you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
My neighbor does that. Yeah, you go to your past lives,
that's crazy. If you need a great recommendation, Okay, yeah
it's yeah. I'll try anything. I'll try anything. I'll try
anything too. Yeah, like why not me up? I don't know,
Like what are you trying to find out? Exactly? But
like what are you trying to find out? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I at this point, I've been with my main therapist
for nine years and then I've been with I call
her my my other therapist, my brain doctor. It's totally
not the title. But she has like twelve letters after
her name, and I'm like, I don't know what else
to call you, because there's no way that there's one name.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
For that half the alphabet. Yeah, and so she I've
been with her for like two and a half years.
What got you into therapy? Someone telling me that they
thought I was bipolar. It's a large statement. I know,
why did someone say that? I mean, I guess I
was acting cuckoo. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And then and then I remember my first therapist was like, no,
you know, you're not bipolar, like you're just hyperactive.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And blah blah blah blah. And then eight years in
I went to my brain doctor and she was like,
so you have psyclothymia. It's within the bipolar family. And
I was like, ah, shit, dang, I know. So do
you take medicine for it? Mm hmm, that's great. Yeah,
I'm telling you. You never know what's going on with people.
I know, you know, yeah, like seriously, everybody has got
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stuff going on and things that they are just like
on their own dealing with and navigating. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I like it, though it goes towards the songwriter. I
was just like plain and you know, no hate to
those people.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I'm very happy. But like, if a bad speck.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never fell on me, I would just have nothing to
sing about or ride about or create about. How could
I reach people if I didn't have all that.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I feel like mental like like working on my mental
health is like one of my main hobbies that I do,
which is great. I wish everyone would have done. I know,
I feel like you kind of do that too. Thanks. Yeah,
I try, I try. So what was it about Travis
that got through the big old barbier gate and built
the flowery door?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
He is? There's a million things I could say, but
he is just as independent of a person as I am.
He's not clingy, he's not insecure, he's not trying to
cage you up.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
He he very much understood very quickly that I don't
want lines to converge. I want to run parallel, and
I'm not going to change who I am, and I
don't want him to change who he is. And I
don't want to be told what to do, and I won't.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Tell him what to do.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
And all of our morals and our values and are
kind of out of the box thinking are all the same.
We're all kind of we're both strange people and what
we believe and what we think about the world and
humans and what happens while we're here. And he's the
most lovable person ever, he's the kindest, but then when
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he has to be mean and the other situations he'll like,
he'll do it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And I respect that so much.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And he's from Missouri and I'm from Missouri, which I
never would have thought I would find somebody from my
home state.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But he's he's fabulous. Is he a creative obviously.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yes, but he runs a publishing company, so he's way
more involved in the business side of it. But yeah,
he's just as strange as me.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, Okay, I heard one of your songs. You're talking
about star seeds and stuff. Yeah, I like that. So
are we like aliens reincarnating? I think all the above.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I feel like I don't have the answer, and neither
does he, and we we feel like we don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
What do you like to ponder about? Like, what are
some big questions I'll like to like ponder together? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I feel like we we will have deep conversations about
our theories, and then we'll get to the end of
it and go, well, we're on a spinning rock of
the middle space and we're.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Both gonna die.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So we can have these conversations all day long, but
it does not prevent the actual inevitable.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I love that y'all just sit around and converse. Oh yeah,
is that weird? You'll just to chat it up. M
h I love that.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I always think, like when we're at a restaurant, I'm
like that the tables are too close. I'm like, we're
totally being eavesdropped on. There's no way that these people
are not Like what are they talking about?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah? Okay, so what is this new error? Like? What
is the past? How would you describe who you are?
Who we have seen fire and who were going into?
Like what is happening here? What is the shifting?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I think before Made from the Dirt, the first album
came out. Music was released so sparsely that there were
a bunch of many eras that did not always go
together with a common threads that I like that, yeah,
but like a song would come out based off of
what I was currently obsessed with listening to other stuff,
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and they didn't always flow.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
And then when Made.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
From the Dirt got made, and Made from the Dirt,
the Blooms the Deluxe, which was the album to begin.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
With, and then they made me cut it down. Oh
that's cool, see you just finally put the full thing out. Yeah,
it was. That was the original record. It was just
an introduction.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I wanted to tell people sort of what I had
been through, what I had come from where I wanted
to go. Till the Lights Go out is a song
right before the last track. It's like, Hey, whether it's
sessful or not, this is what I'm gonna do. If
this is the only project I ever get to put out,
I'm happy with it. There was a song about my grandma.
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It was really just like why nay I am? It
was really just no pun intended Like the Roots, it
was how do I give you this solid foundation of
who I am? And then this one is I would
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say more of just my actual internal being instead of
like here's here's where I come from, and here are
the things that I feel soft about and in my vulnerability,
and and here are the deep things about me. This
one's like who I'm trying.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Not to get everything away?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Who wants to bite somebody and then go dance? Like
who is tired of the shit? I just don't feel
like I know how to be soft. I know all
the things. I know who is worth being soft for.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Oh that's a good pot.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I know who's worth being soft for. I know when
it is appropriate to be soft. But I'm at a
place when I've also learned that it is okay to
not be. I made it full circle where like I
was afraid to be, I wouldn't allow myself to be.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Then I swung the other way. Went too far? Yeah,
I went too far. Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Now I'm back to like, No, I can tell that
person to fuck off.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I really can. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And that doesn't mean that I'm I'm broken or I'm
insecure or I'm hiding behinde something. No, that person was rude,
and they really can have the day they deserve, you know, like,
and I'm happy to tell them because somebody needs to.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They could have a day they just that, And I
just want to give I just want to give women specifically, Sorry, men,
you get them. You have enough women specifically the juice
to keep.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Going, Like I just we know what it is to
be soft. We know when we're feeling our emotions.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
We got it. Like we've done that and now I'm
just like.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
No, now let's learn how to be tough. And why
don't I help you punch somebody in the.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Face because you deserve that. You deserve to punch that
person in the face. Thank you. Either way, I need
to learn how to throw some punches.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, and it's just like that doesn't make you a
bad person. It's just maybe that person deserves to get punched.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it doesn't make you a bitch either. No, even
though you say you come from a long line of bitches. Yeah,
they empowerment that they just know how to stand up
for themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, And I think I'm so so grateful that the majority,
the large majority, understood what I meant automatically, you know,
because you're like, Okay, are people gonna you know, sometimes
you think audience is smarter than they are, and then
you get the feedback and they're like, Okay, you missed
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it or we missed it. And then sometimes I don't
give them enough credit where they're way smarter than what
I assumed. And it was so so lovely over the
past week and a half that it's been out in
the weeks prior that I was teasing it, that people
understood automatically what I meant.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And I even have people.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
There was a girl that slid into my dms. I'm
getting all these dms like, Hey, this reminds me my grandma.
Love this so much, can't wait to put this for
my mom. I got a DM the other day from
a girl.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That said I want you to know.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
My mom's celebration of life is this weekend and I
am making a slide show of her life and I'm
gonna use this song as the slide Joe, and I
was like, I'm gonna ball, like.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, but I love that you're showing women like you
just said you did the full circle it was too soft,
too hard, and then come like met in the middle
and now you can use discernment, you know, like you're wise,
have you gain wisdom? And yeah, But I think though
that it's so inspiring because like, also about you is
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like you make this very clear, like I am not
after your man, but I'm also going to be hot
as shit. I'm like for you, I'm for you, And
so many women have a hard time presenting and being
sexy without feeling threatening, and I feel like you are
just so clear that like this is just who I am.
I'm sorry, I'm sexy as shit, but like I want
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you to have a great, happy life with your husband.
I'm not trying to like you know, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I remember I made this video last year that I
was like, I don't want your man. I just want
you to remember that you're hot enough that you don't
want him either like I just want you, like I
want you, and I watch that in real time, and
I hope I always see it because it's one of
my favorite things to watch while I'm performing is I
will walk out in my belly shirt and my ti
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leather pants and there might be women at the at
the beginning that are looking at me like because they
think that I'm there for the men, or I'm.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
About to be like a floozy or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And I will watch them over the show flip in
real time, and by the end they get it. They're like,
oh she yeah, like she, And I'm like, I want
you to feel hot. I know how much stuff in
this world bogs you down. It makes you feel insecure.
Social media can make you feel insecure. Retouch this retouch
that can make you feel insecure. Your man looking at
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the waitress or whatever can make you feel less than
you are. So if I can remind you that you
are allowed to be a hot bitch for yourself and
only yourself, then I want to do that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Tell me, Okay, I feel like a lot of women
forget that they are hot, or maybe they never believe
they are the essence of the world. They never believed
it to begin with, So like, how do you find
that within yourself?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
I think you just have to learn to love yourself
and not care. And I know that's hard, it's easier
said than done, but I think you it also starts
with like really asking yourself what you like, because if
you're following a trend and you know, whether it's makeup
or clothes or body shape or or whatever, if you're
falling a trend, but deep down behind whatever societal thing
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that's been ingrained in you, if you don't find that cute,
you're not gonna feel good when you put it on.
If you try to play dress up in someone else's clothes,
you're never gonna think you're hot. So I think it
starts from.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Like what do you like find it? Yes? What do
you think is cool? And as long as it always
comes from there, it doesn't matter because then you dress
because it makes you feel good. Yes, try serotonin dressing, yeah,
but a serotonin dressing where you just dressed to be happy.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It doesn't have to like match or match the kind
of event that you're going to or the dress code.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You just wear whatever you want. Is that kind of
when you started making clothes yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
My mom would buy me old prom dresses and wedding
dresses from Salvation Army and I would tear them apart
and put them back together.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
But you're so good, like you're such a masterful seamstress.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I don't think that, but thank you very much. Every
time I make something, pretty much I have to YouTube
how to do a party.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
You do it is the thing, and you make it
look amazing, like you made all your bridesmaids dresses I did.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I wanted them to feel beautiful. I wanted to ask them,
I hate bridesmaid dresses when they all match because everybody's
body is different, everybody's color palette is different. And then
I had four bridesmaids whose color palettes and body shapes
are all different. I want them to feel beautiful. I
don't want them to have to wear a corset or like,
you know, not be able to dance, or their feet
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her or whatever. So I made Pinterest boards for each
of them of shapes that fit my wedding, and then
they could go in their pintress board and pick out
their favorite pieces like and then I would go, Okay, what.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Do you love about your body? What do you hate
about your body.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I want you My only rules are I want you
to be able to eat, dance, pea like this is
supposed to be comfortable. And I want a lot of
fabric because I think it's lush, you know, it's not.
I would rather you wear a gigantic moumo because it's
lovely than like a string, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
And I want you to have a good time.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
And we're going to be on an island and just
just be chill, like I don't want you to be
like no.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah. So then I.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Picked out you know, what's your favorite part, which you're
not favor part? Okay, we'll work around it. And then
I picked out colors that I thought applied to my
wedding but also look good with their skin.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
And their hair. Well did they just love it? Yeah?
That's really special. Thank you. You have a lot of
energy to make things really beautiful and special. Thank you.
That takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I feel like I'm hateful if the things around me
aren't what do you mean beautiful?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Because whatever, what you know what you can make it?
If you just did it, I have what yes, And
then you don't do it, then you're like I could
have made that more beautiful, yes, or like if I
walk in somewhere like Isabella from a Conto, she just
like walks in the room and everything is like I
just I have whatever mental illness is, like when you
walk into a restaurant and your next starts hurting because
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the wall color doesn't match, the menu doesn't match, the
chair doesn't match, the music, and you just know what
it's supposed to be. Oh, I'm like really, oh my god, yeah,
I can't. I can't.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And it's not even like a it's not like a
money thing. It's not you can make things beautiful with
five dollars, just like, hey, let's make things magic.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
The life is shit. Life is shit.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Human beings can be really shit, or like the procedures
or the expectations can.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Be really shit.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So let's try to squeeze out magic wherever we can,
like why not and just try like what happened to
trying for myself not to impress anyone else, just yeah yeah,
And you know, there were a lot of parts of
the wedding where people thought I was insane for doing
those things.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I was like, I was what I want and you
are a and you wanted to see it come to life. Yeah,
like your wedding. It's like you walk into an experience.
You're not just like at a venue. It's like we
are in an alternate world. Yeah, what was the world?
Old world?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I I told everyone, like my planner, my photographer, the floorist,
Like an old world bisexual pirate invaded a castle and
we're throwing a party with their shit. Okay, the most
accentic or I just you know, old world eccentric. The
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locals in Key West, that's where I got married, call
themselves the island of misfit toys. I consider myself a
misfit toy. Like we don't have to follow any of
the standard procedures boring, Like, I just want this to
be true to who travels an ir as people. If
he wants to be barefoot all night, if he wants
to get married barefoot, he can. Like I just wanted
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to be beautiful and real and not.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Let make sure that no one feels like they're stuck
within some sort of box. Did you feel stuck in
a box at one point that made you want to
like never be boxed again? Oh yeah, what was your
box you got out of?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I think one of my major afflictions is I always
feel like I'm stuck in a boxing against it. I
don't know if you're into enneagrams. Oh yeah, I'm a four.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm a four. Yeah, so I'm constantly like no one
gets it, you know what I was. I'm emotionally debilitated
every day. I cry every day. Yeah, get literally, I
take pills now. But yeah for you see, like you've
turned yours into beautiful confidence. I still get like like
to Suna me, oh yeah, me too.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
But I realized that I put those They're my expectations
that I'm having a conniption over.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
But do you feel emotional a lot like sad? I
have like an undertone melancholy normal, like everything you're Yes,
that's your base. It's been that way my whole life. Yeah,
me too, and I present really happy, but like really
I'm like Baseline melancholy. Yeah, I know, too bad, but
it's fine. It's also beautiful. Yeah, I like, though I
really don't. I tell everyone I feel like four is
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the worst, no, worst, But I'm not going to talk
about it because people, I know which one is the worst.
How do you know it's not us? We're great, No,
we're not. Like all of them have their own thing,
but there is one that I would rather die to be.
I'm glad I gives you an s with you. I
feel very privileged to be a four with you.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Good.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I love for They're exhausting. It is exhaust exhaust.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
We have the widest emotional range out of the entire spectrum, so.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
It takes a certain someone to marry twos. Oh, I
love a hell. My husband is an eight, my dad
is an eight eights. Get stuff done. I know, I
love it, and they don't feel emotional about it. I
love it. I do love an eight.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Growing up it's was a little hard because I'm so emotional.
But now I'm like, thank God for eight.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
He's an eight wing seven, So like socially he's a seven.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's so fun, I know, and he's a segretarious so yeah,
he's yep.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And then when it's time to like get it and
I'm a three, I'm a four wing three, So when
it's time for me to get it done, I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Gonna get it done. Like, let's go. I want the trophy.
Its the same. I'm not an astrologist or anything like that,
but this feels very good.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
And I'm an Aquarius and he's a sagittarius, so it's
like the two like weirdos.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Just so when y'all met, was it finally just like, Oh,
I have a resting place now he my heart can rest.
I laugh at this story.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
When I met him, we had a mutual friend introduced
us in Key West, and I, other than my husband,
have never dated or kissed a blonde guy.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
My husband is blonde, like blonde. It was just not
in my experience, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And but I remember as soon as I met him,
I was at a place where, like, I had never
done therapy, So the thought of making friends or being
in a public space in a crowd where I wasn't
performing was very difficult for me. Why I was only
ever good at being social if I was performing.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Okay, So what happens when you're not performing? Like what
do you feel back then? Like terrified? Like I just
did not want to talk?
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I shared of the people, Yes, I assume that everyone
thought horrible things about me? Why and that if two
people were whispering over there, they were whispering about me.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I used to think that too, Yeah, but then you realize,
like you said, no one gives a shit about about me?
And if they are marlook great.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, And I remember when I take you down, oh
terrible hole.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
I just couldn't have friends. I just wasn't good at
having They were all like secretly talking about you. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
And I didn't know how to relate to people because
I wasn't allowed as a kid to.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Leave my house.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Basically, yeah, I won't go into more of that, but
I was not allowed to do anything besides go to
ballet or go to beauty pageants.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
But when I met Travis, he felt secure. I was
in this.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
We were on the pier in Key West and there's
hundreds of people, and I wanted to go back to.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
My hotel room so bad.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
And I just met him, and automatically I was like,
I think I'm just gonna stand by this guy.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
He felt like regulated.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was just like, I think I'm just okay cool.
I hope he doesn't think I'm.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Weird his energy feeling regulated. I was just like, this
isn't he's not bothering me. He doesn't bother me. He's
still to this day, he don't bother me.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
His energy charge is just so yep, chill.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
And then I remember I saw him the next night
because I was leaving the bar where everyone was because
I was just overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I'm like, I don't want to do this. And he
was a big impath too, obviously, so you just feel everything. Yeah,
So when you're like a you're like an open you know,
like a live wire. When you're out there, you're feeling.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
It's like small talk, and I'm just like, I can't,
I don't want to do this. It's yeah, I feel
like claustrophobic in this environment. And he was dancing with
three girls, like the center of the party, and he
was wearing this this light blue denun button up shirt
that was half unbuttoned because when I met him, he
was wearing white tank top that said qualified to party.
(42:02):
And his haircut was terrible. So I wasn't like thinking like, oh,
this guy's so hot. Yes, in a haircut that looked
like it was like done with a ruler.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
He didn't even care. No, he did not give it,
and he I know he don't care.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
So when I went over to him at the bar
because I wanted to leave, but I was wearing basically
like a band aid, and my scooter was like a
couple of blocks away and it was two o'clock in
the morning, and I was like, hey, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Well you walk me to my scooter, Like I just
you had never talked to him before.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
We talked on the pier the night before like with
everyone in a social gathering, but no.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But I was just like, hey, I.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Know I shouldn't walk by myself and he was like, yeah,
no problem. And I remember he walked toward me and
his eyes are like like the most piercing blue, and
so the shirt was bringing his eyes out, and his
hair with the haircut because he was sweating and dancing,
it was messed up where you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Tell that it had been cut with a ruler. And
I remember being like, are you hot? Like I just
in my brain being like like I think you're hot.
I think you're like really hot. Wow, Like you're.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Hiding it from You're like yeah, I couldn't tell you
du with the bro tank, but like you know, because
the white shorts and the bro tank was like throwing
me off.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah yeah, but like if I were your friend, I
would be like, hey, your whole clouset.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Should be blue, like stop wearing that other shit, like
you know, and don't let your hair like just do
this a little bit like and yeah, he just the
rest of that trip, he was like a comfort blanket.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
And little did I know he had had a crush
on me for like a year, so he has he
set the whole thing up, like what I mean it
would take for he it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I came to find out a year later that so
I got invited when I got there to be in
this group text with everyone that was like my age
at the festival, pluggers or songwriters whatever.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
This is a key West.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
So yes, I found out a year later that he
set up with his roommate. He set that group text
up so that he could get my phone number.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
And then it'd be casual for him to talk to you. Yes,
because he goes, I've introduced it. Oh yeah, He's like,
I introduced myself to you twice before this. I'm like,
I don't. I don't remember that at all. But he
wasn't being like annoying about it. He's like, no, no,
he's no. He plays the long game. He was trusting
that you weren't gonna get swooped up.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And he just and there was even like a time
where he was like during that week we were there,
he was like a bunch of us are going jet
skiing later, like.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
Do you want to go?
Speaker 2 (44:27):
And I was like, yeah, I have a meeting with
an A and R like because I was in the
middle of picking a record deal, but like after that,
I'll come jet skiing.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
And I went.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
To like go put stuff in my scooter after the meeting,
and I couldn't find my scooter key, couldn't find it anywhere.
Called the scooter company. I'm waiting on the side of
the building for the scooter company to come and he
comes like creeping around the back of this ye wait
you and I go, hey, I thought you were going
jet skiing, and he like looked at me and he
was like, uh oh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
We just decided not to go, like it's it is
pretty rough out there, like whatever. And I was like
all right, cool, Like I lost my key, I'm.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Just waiting for whatever. I didn't think anything about it.
Come to find out a year later, no one.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Was going jet skiing. He's making it.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
He was. He was doing it to get me to
go jet skiing with him, and he was trying to
hide and that's why he was sneaking around the back
of the building.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Stop. Yeah, I love that I know me too. So
how did you know he loved you?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I mean, obviously everyone loves you, but like, no, that's
not true.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I don't know. You just knew it, I guess. Yeah,
and you didn't even know who he was and he
loved you for a whole year before. Yeah, maybe, or
I thought I was pretty I don't know. Well, yeah,
not wrong, thank you man. Okay, So you're really in
a good phase right now, aren't you. Yeah, you're feeling great.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I'm having the time of my life. I get clad
back of haters whenever I want.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm having a great time because you don't care anymore. No,
not that you ever really.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, but it's like, and I feel I always loved
and appreciated my fans, knew they were important, but I
had my nose so far up what the industry was
telling me. I get that to be you know what
I'm saying. Yes, and now I feel like I have
friends within the industry. I care about what they think.
(46:11):
I love them. I love to work together.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
But I'm like really concentrating on my fans. What do
you want? What do you want? We're friends. I talk
to you every day on social media.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
I make stories like we're on FaceTime, because that's just
how I want the relationship to be. I'm not trying
to prop myself up. I'm not trying to come off
as a celebrity to you. I am a person who
is a creative that makes stuff, and y'all like to
look or listen to the stuff and I appreciate that,
and I want you when you come to my show
to feel like you know me as a person, so
(46:42):
I give a shit about what you want.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
I love that. Yeah, thanks, that's how I should be.
Thank you. Well, okay, so you're going Are you going
on tour with Parker? Are you again? How did y'all
become such great friends?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Just didn Yeah, he when he came up and started
talking to me about sounds like something i'd say. He
just got along like instantly. He has the same kind
of sarcasm that I do. And he's never told me
what his enneagram is, but I think.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's a four. You think, Yeah, he's never told me.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
I could be wrong, but he you could tell like
he really cares about lyrics and like deeper questions and stuff,
and he's always been kind. And then he asked me
to open up for him at Red Rocks two years
ago and we sang Burn It Down together to end
the show, and we.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Were like, damn, we sound good together too, And.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
It's just always in passing. He's lovely, his wife is lovely.
I met his whole family. We played together a show
New Year's Eve, and they're all just cool.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
And I love his voice.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I love his music, and I think that mutual appreciation
for each other's art kind of drives the friendship.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
That's cool, though, you know, it's like musically musically connect
like that. Yeah, it doesn't always happen, I know, but
I feel like I try.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
If I'm at an event and there's someone who I
really really like what they do, I try to go
up and be like, hey, sick, you know, because I
think a lot of times false compliments can be given
back and forth because they use it in place of
small talk, and I just obviously I can't. I don't
do that, but when I do, I feel like I
try to go up to someone and be like, hey,
(48:18):
I thought that was really sick. Literally it's downloaded, like
I bought it in my album. I think it's really cool.
Your voice is really cool. You have your own lane.
I appreciate it so much.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you. You're so cool.
I literally am so excited that we got to talk.
I've been a fan of you for a long time,
but you're just like cause you're so you and like
you're so talented than you. Your artistic talents are so
big and old and just like overflowing, and you're so
good at it. Thank you. I was like, man, you're
(48:48):
so cool.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
You know the you know the saying idle hands are
a devil's playground.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yes, that's me, you say. People are like, why do
you have hobbies? I'm like, because I'll make trouble if
I don't. Really is yes, I have to be doing
something you just accidentally will get into trouble. I mean
accidentally is kind of a subjective word, but yeah, you're
drawn to it. Yeah, so I just have to keep
my little hands busy. Good for you. Yeah, thank you. Hey,
(49:15):
I love that. It keeps me sane. Okay, so tell
us what to be looking like, where we look for
all the things, what to know about? Just give us
all the rundown so everyone can say.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, if you have not listened to bitches yet, so
good go do that go do that.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Don't be scared.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Every grandma I've met loves it, So don't be scared
to play for your grandma or your mom or your daughter.
Your daughter's allowed to sing bitches Justice once more music
and it won't take near as long as everything else
ever did. It's new, everything's new and fabulous, and if
you slide into my DMS, it's actually me answering.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
What's one word to describe the new music? Empowering? Okay,
I love that. It's a kind word. And when are
you going to the Parker mclem When you say starts
in June, fine for how long?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
June August to part of September, June, July August to
be fun? Yeah, I'm excited. Heck yeah, it's always a
good time.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yes, okay, I always drive up with leave your light. Okay,
I'm super open ended. All right, what do you want
people to know? Drop some inspo? Hmm okay.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
One thing that I keep in my head at all
times is your brain is wired to fill in the gaps.
So let's say someone nudge past you in an elevator
early in the morning and you think, oh my god,
that person is an asshole. Your brain will fill in
the circle with the worst possibility to protect you, because
(50:52):
that's it's your brain's job is to protect you, So
it's gonna fill in with the worst scenario it can
think of.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
But if you're allowed to make up a bad story,
you are allowed.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
To make up a good story. So if somebody cuts
you off in traffic, you could think, fuck that person,
you hawk you know whatever. Or you could think, what
if their wife is giving birth right now and they're
really trying to get there. And it's not so much
giving people the benefit of the doubt because selfishly, it's
(51:24):
not about them, right, I'm not helping them. I'm helping me,
And so I can make up a good story. I
can fill that circle myself. I don't need my brain
to protect me because I will protect me if the
situation presents itself.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
Oh that's a big awakening. Man. When did you grasp
that fully a couple of years ago? That was a
big day. Yeah, yeah, not clicked in. It made me
be like freedom. I think Brenee Brown said it. Do
you know who I'm talking about? Yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think she said it, and I was just like,
so I have to myself and I'm not perfect in
remembering that all the time, but I do try to
be like, I'm allowed to make up a good story.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
I'm allowed to make up a good story. Yeah, oh
that's great. Thanks. Okay, Kathy Ashen, this is so Bud
of course, anytime thrill. Yeah that was great. Okay, bitch,
is it out now?
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