In The Weeds: Bobby’s Friend Ahmad on 20 Years of Friendship & Life Before Nashville

Bobby sits down with his longtime friend Ahmad for a trip through more than 20 years of friendship. They argue over how they actually met at a gym in Austin, look back at nights going out when neither of them wanted to admit they weren’t having fun, and remember how their friend group slowly came together. Ahmad shares how Bobby pushed him to finish college, why he wishes he had listened to some of Bobby’s early advice, and the many times Bobby tried to convince him to move to Nashville. They also get into Ahmad’s first impressions of Caitlin, watching Bobby change after meeting her, and what it’s like seeing his longtime friend now as a husband and dad.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey guys, Bobby here.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm going to play you this in the weeds that
I did with my friend Ahmad. Ahmad was a groomsman
at my wedding. We've been friends for over 20 years
and we just kind of get into our history together and,
you know, stories of us when we were much younger,
both just trying to figure out life. But what I'm
going to do is I'm going to play part two first.

(00:28):
Now we did this in two parts because we really
weren't planning to put part one up anywhere. We were
just kind of testing mics. So part two is definitely
the better of the two parts. So you're going to
hear that first. Then if it feels like it starts over,
that's part one. Because again, we were in California, we
were waiting to do an interview and it was in

(00:49):
a studio that we had never used before. And it
wasn't our equipment. We were renting the studio. So we
were just going to talk for five to 10 minutes
and look at it, make sure it looked good, make
sure the audio sounded good, and then let our interview
roll in. Well, our interview ended up being about 15
minutes late, which happens all the time in Los Angeles
because traffic is so bad. So Ahmad and I just

(01:09):
kept talking. So here's my friend Ahmad and I talking
about the good old days, part two, then it goes
to part one, which again, I don't know that we
talk about a lot in part one, but enjoy this
episode of In the Weeds. Hey, everybody. We're back for
another episode. If you missed the first one, well, it
was about an hour ago that we shot it. We

(01:30):
had to stop it early because I had an interview.
But it's me and my great friend from my whole life, Ahmad,
who's also a groomsman at my wedding.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Sure did. Sure did. That was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
People said, be inclusive. I said, I got a Mexican
and a black friend. And I'm going to put them
both in.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
You had it. You had races covered there. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's what you do, though. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't see color. Actually, I literally don't. So I
can say that because I'm colorblind.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Because some people might take offense to that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Because I think you should see color because I think
different races have different obstacles.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But I don't see color, a lot of them, because
I am colorblind. That is my obstacle. And people don't
even give me, I should get a sticker. I should
be able to park closer.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Right. You just go on people's park. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I don't see color.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
That's dope. And you know what?

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's the truth of it. When I moved to Austin, 2003, maybe?

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You moved in 2003? I think so.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
When did you move there?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Right. I mean, I moved there in 2003, yeah. Same time?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, same time.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
From Texas State.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
I don't like your story of how we met. Your
story sucks on how we met.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
What do you think my story is?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Okay, tell your story. We're in the same place in
both of our versions of this, but go ahead, tell
the story of how we met. And let's see if
it stays consistent with what you've said many times.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Right. So I'm a trainer at 24 Hour Fitness. I mean,
this guy, another trainer, says, oh, dang, I just talked
to Bobby. And Bobby said, I guess you were in there.
I don't know why. I mean, I guess you would
go in there and work out.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I was working out. All right. So you're working out.
I guess randomly you just got a membership at 24
Hour Fitness there.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It was close to my house.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
It was over there, right. So then he comes, he goes, Dude,
he said he wanted to work. If I'm going to
work out, I want to work out with that guy.
And I was like, that's what he said? And he
was like, I want to work out with that big
black guy right there.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I would never have said any of that.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
You said, I think you would say that. Trust me.
Knowing you, I think you would say that.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I don't see color.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
But you felt who I was.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
So that story is not true. And you say it,
but you never heard it. Someone just told you that.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I mean, I was there. I think he said it
when you said it. That is not true.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think he came right over and said it to me.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I would say that because I don't think there's any
shame in going black guy or Mexican guy. To me,
that doesn't feel like it's wrong. I think people who
feel like it's wrong will be like, oh, I wouldn't
say that. I would say it. I'd be like, that
black dude over there, I want that dude.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
And you did say that. I did not say that, though.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I wouldn't have even pointed at somebody and said, I
want that guy.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You totally would.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
I wouldn't have picked out somebody. It wouldn't have mattered
who it was. I wouldn't have picked out somebody and said,
that's the guy I want to train with. That's not
my personality.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
How do you think we came to be?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You've told two stories because that is one I've heard before.
But the other one is like I was. Like trying
to bench press and there was like no weight on
the bar.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah. Oh, no, not yet. Okay. Right.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I saw you bench pressing.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Okay. No, no. It was like tens, tens on each side.
Shut up. And you were like, I remember. I remember.
I wasn't. I remember. I see.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
You don't because you didn't remember it just now when
you were telling the story.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I remember seeing you bench pressing.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
65 pounds.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
45, 55, 60. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
You're out of your mind. You act like I'm 11.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I was. I mean, maybe it was a warmup. I
don't know. Okay, go ahead. One of your main stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
You saved me or what?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
No, I didn't save you. You just, I just saw
you when I was squatting over in the corner by
the mirrors. I looked over because my buddy was like, oh,
he said he wanted to.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
He wanted to be a black guy.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's not true. I look over my back. You're bench
pressing 65 pounds.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
This is what would have happened.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Warming up probably. I'm not saying that was your.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
This is what would have happened. First of all, I
wouldn't have picked somebody out on the floor and said
I want to train with them. I would never have
done that. I would have just gone to the counter
or whatever and just said, hey, I'd like to train. Like,
who do you have as a trainer?

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Because I think at that exact time, I think I
came over to you and said, what's up?

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, if you said hi, and then someone else said, hey,
we're looking for a trainer. No, no, that's after you
said that. I dispute that story. I dispute that. Why
would they say it? I wouldn't just point at somebody
and say, I want that. It wouldn't matter who it was.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
What do you think happened? You think you went up
to the front desk and said, I want a trainer?

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I'd like to train.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
That is not true. Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
That one is not true. You can't tell me what's
true in my life. But that's also true in my life.
Remove the big black guy part of it. I wouldn't
have pointed to any person and said, I want that
guy to train me. I wouldn't do that in any
part of my life for any reason whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Never.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Never. I'm almost certain that you confirmed that story. I didn't.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
I've never confirmed that story. You've confirmed that story trying
to get me to confirm the story. Not true.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, I'm almost certain you did, bro.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
So you then became my trainer.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. Became trainer.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
For years.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah. I mean, even more than trainer. Cause at one
point we were just like, yeah, we were training at
some point, but very quickly after that, we were like,
go downtown. Yeah. I was like, I go downtown. He's like,
you go downtown? Sure. Yeah, we should go downtown.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
And we'd go downtown and make a couple laps and
be like, this place sucks, but really nobody wanted to
talk to us.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
We'd be like....

Speaker 2 (07:00):
This place is so lame. It's just that nobody wanted
to like talk to us. So we, yeah, we just
make excuses. This is really not our scene. Is it
not sucks?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
We do that in a few bars and be like
tonight blows. Let's just go home.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
We would drive all the way back down.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
So I'd be like, man, these nights just aren't as
good as they used to be.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah. I remember going back to your house one time
and I always think of it at this. We go
in and you sit, I don't know if you had
a studio or not, but you had a computer and
you had a microphone set up. And I was like,
let me try to sing this. And you were like, oh, okay.
And we're just in the room hanging out and we're
just joking around talking and I'm trying to sing. And

(07:42):
you're just like, it's not good, but it's not bad.
I'm like, I was just trying it. I was just
trying to do something. And you're like, yeah, yeah, that's
cool to try.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
What's interesting about a relationship between a trainer and a
client just starting it doesn't even have to be us,
is that that's a very intimate relationship anyway.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Because it's one person and one person for an hour.
The person who's training has to be vulnerable to the
person who is being the trainer.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I think there's a reason that a lot of people
fall in love with their trainers. There's also a power
dynamic there a bit.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, with you and me, though, it was like- Well, no, I.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Didn't fall in love with you. I'm not saying it's us.
I'm saying I can see how that we became friends
from that because we were very consistent. We have similar
backgrounds in that our grandmas were a big part of
both of our lives raising us. I think we both
grew up without much. I think we just had a

(08:48):
bunch in common.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, being a trainer, though, it's a lot more than that. Well,
like with us, because, yeah, being a trainer, you have
to be personable to a lot of people no matter what.
But with me and you, we had similar backgrounds. We
like kind of the same things. And we were kind
of in the same place in our life, hanging out,

(09:10):
single dudes, chilling, working out, kind of being by ourself alone.
And we're like, you're cool. I'm cool. Let's just go
be cool together.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Then we started to be friends, like hang out outside
of training after a couple of years. And then that's
kind of when like the Avengers assembled because it was.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Me and you.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Then it was Eddie.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah. Then it was Steve. Steve, right.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then slowly like the group all came together.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Right. I remember going to your house on SQ, the
first house. I remember this. I remember a lot of
stuff that I was seeing at your house. You walk upstairs.
You had no furniture in there. No, no.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
First of all.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You had a big screen TV. Yeah. No furniture. Priorities.
You go upstairs. There was no furniture. Dusty was just
running around. My dog.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, just running around, sliding on the wood floor.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Right. And I'm like, okay, so this is how it goes.
This is how you live.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
You invite me to a MMA fight that y'all were watching.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
At the house.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
At the house. Yeah. Right. So that's the first time
it was like, what was it? Rampage and somebody.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Iceman fought that night, too. Chuck Liddell.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Chuck Liddell. And then, like you said, Avengers. I met
Steve there. Who else did I meet there? Was it
Mike Sions? Maybe Cruz. Maybe Cruz was there. That's true.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
It was a lot of that crew.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
And he wasn't there yet.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
And then I just know when we moved to Nashville,
I was like, dude, you got to come.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Oh, man, don't even bring that up.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
I was like, you got to come.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Why are you saying this right now? You said I
got to come, but then I was like right there
about to finish school. And you were, you know what?
I know you know this, but I don't know if
you know this for sure. But you were a main
catalyst of me finishing school, like finishing college. Going back. Right.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Why do you say that?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Because I was like never really prompted by practice. parents
or anybody to, I mean, I was the first person
in my family to finish college. And so I didn't
know what it took or why you would finish college.
I was just taking random classes and then I would
stop a couple of years. Maybe I go back. And

(11:32):
then I had pretty much started training and then not
even thought about going back. And I started talking to
you about, what do you think about college? And you're like,
I think you need to do it. You're like, how
many credits you got? I had some credits. I had
probably two years of already credits done. You're like, I
think you need to do it. I was like, man,
I don't know. Should I be spending this money to

(11:54):
go to college or should I just be saving this money?
You're like, you got two years already under your belt.
Just go back and finish it. You're going to love it.
You're going to love finishing it. You did something worth something.
I was like, and I was so unsure. I can
look back now and be like, yeah, cool. That was
cool to do, but At that time, money was sparse.

(12:17):
And I was like, dude, why would I spend money
to do something that I'm already doing? I'm already training.
I'm going to go to college and go exercise sports
science anyway. And so you were just like, dude. And those,
it always felt like you were talking to me on
those spots that you would do. You know, ACC, you
would always say, go get your education at ACC. Finished

(12:40):
your education. I'm like, I'm driving to work. I'm like,
I need to finish this. And then I started just enrolling,
just started going hard. I mean, grinding it out, finished it.
And I was just like, you were probably, I mean,
I'm going to say you probably no one callous at
that point. I'm going to honestly, and I don't say
stuff like lightly. I'm saying you in my life at

(13:01):
that point, I was asking people, you were one of
the main people that were not even, just one of
the main people, you were the main person I would
be talking to. And you would be like, dude, you
got to finish. You just got to finish. You would
never say nothing else, but just go finish. You wouldn't say,
maybe if you want to, or I don't know how
you feel, like maybe it's not for you. You would

(13:23):
be like, dude, you got to do it. And I would,
and that just kept in my brain, going to class
every day, grinding out, grinding out every semester for two
more years. Finished. I mean, it's probably the I mean, honestly,
the second, third best thing that I've done.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Hang tight. The Bobby cast will be right back. And
we're back on the Bobby cast.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
I remember you struggling with the decision and how hard
it was because you're also working full time. to go
back to school. Cause again, you had to go back
to school. It wasn't, it wasn't, Hey, don't quit.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
It was, you had to go back. Cause that means
you had to adjust your lifestyle that you were living now.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
This is what I had known about you at that
time and why I thought it was so important. I
remember it is because you were probably the most magnetic
person I've ever met in my life.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
What?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
People get around you. Then they love you very quickly
and they want to be around you more. And again,
people wanted you to train them. You would be completely
sold out of spots. You also wouldn't raise your rates.
And you're like, well, they came with me and I'm
going to charge them a nickel till the day they die.
And I'm like a nickel, a nickel. Like it's okay

(14:46):
to go. I remember having conversations about, it's okay for
it to feel uncomfortable. If you go, Hey, I've got
to raise my rates a little bit. And you're like, no,
but these are my OGs. And I'm like, I hear
you inflation and, and you just wouldn't. But I remember
thinking at some point in your life that you were
going to do something so big and that, people were
going to go, oh, but he doesn't even have his degree.

(15:07):
And that they were going to question you. Because again,
you're so good at communicating and getting people to like you.
And you're so knowledgeable at what you talk about when
it comes to health, fitness, wellness. But I didn't want
anyone to be able to hold against you that you
did not have that piece of paper that you did
not need to do what you were doing. but I

(15:27):
felt like you needed it in the future for what
you were going to do because they could have said,
what does he know? He didn't even go to college.
That's what I felt then. I felt like you were
so good and destined for so much that I didn't
want in the future there to be a way for
people to go, he's not that good and he should
not be here.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
And you doing that, pretty much knowing me, more than
I kind of even knew myself because I totally would
have let that pretty affect me. Like somebody saying, yeah,
but what do you know? Like you don't have a,
you don't even have a college degree. I would have
totally in the future. Me would have been affected by
that going like, I guess I am an imposter. That

(16:11):
would have hit hard. Now I carry that degree going.
You can't tell me, I don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And also you were going to know the same stuff anyway.
It's not like the degree taught you anything, but it's
something they could have used against you later. And I
just didn't want that for you.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's dope. That's dope. Another thing, and we're kind of
going forward. I don't know if you remember this, but
I mean, there's a lot of things that you just
like supported me and told me. I didn't do it.
And I'm like, why didn't I do it? I would

(16:52):
be freaking a millionaire right now if I did that.
It was ridiculous. It was the first time it was like,
you told me to go get a camera. What year?
This was 2006. You know, you told me to go
get a camera, right? It's like a bloggy, a little bloggy.

(17:14):
They didn't even have, it's like a Sony bloggy, I remember.
And you were like, go get the camera. I went
to go get the camera. And you were training with me.
I remember it was one of your birthdays. We had
cupcakes and we were just filming in my apartment gym.
Shout out Bella Vista. But it's like, we had the cupcakes.
You were doing all your, you know, this is Bobby's birthday.

(17:37):
I'm going, hey, this is Bobby's birthday. You were doing it.
And then that was cool. And then I would say,
so what do you do with this? You would take
it to the studio. You and Mike D, I didn't
know Mike D at the time, but he had the little,
I guess, YouTube. I didn't know anything about YouTube, but
you guys put it on iMovie and you guys did
all the editing. And I don't know, you still might

(17:58):
be on your YouTube channel somewhere down there, somewhere down,
I mean, early on. And you're like, dude, if I
was you, I would just do like, Four exercises in
the camera every day. I was like, four exercises in
the camera? I don't even got a tripod. This is like,
I'm making up stuff in my brain to not be
able to do stuff. And I don't even know if

(18:20):
they made tripods then, but I'm like.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
They made tripods then. They made tripods then. Because we
had cameras, like literal cameras.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Maybe I thought, man, they only got made tripods, so
what am I going to prop this camera up on?
So did, I don't even know. So did, I'm like, dude,
he's told me to do this back in the day
before anybody was doing it back in the day. And
I could have killed, bro. I know I could have killed.
And you were telling me, you got to do this.

(18:47):
He wasn't like on me, on me, which I'm like,
he should have just been on me. But you were
telling me to do it. And I just remember that.
And I did a couple of them. I just didn't know.
what I was doing. And I didn't have like what
you have. You have that. That. It don't matter if

(19:07):
you don't know what you're doing. You just keep on
doing it continuously. And then you'll start seeing what you're doing.
And you would tell me that. I remember you telling,
you didn't tell me that specifically like that. I can
retrospect looking back and say, that's what you were telling me.
But you were also telling me your story, how you

(19:28):
bought a lot of equipment on your own and you
started doing this stuff, not knowing what you were doing,
not knowing how to use the equipment, learning the equipment
on your own. All that stuff, I didn't know. And
then I'm like, just because I didn't know, doesn't mean
there wasn't a, It's not an excuse, bro. You got
to know. You got to figure it out. You just

(19:49):
can't not. do it. That's why I'm like, look back.
I'm like, I just didn't do it, bro. And he
was telling me to do it. He was right there.
And I'm saying he with an emphasis on he meaning
Bobby's the man. Okay. I'm saying this. We know Bobby's
the man. He's like, okay, okay. I'm saying from where

(20:09):
you started, from where you're at right now, people don't
normally do that. Those dudes are legit. Those dudes are
the man. Those people who can see a vision and
keep doing it, not knowing what they're doing and not
knowing if it's going to pay off, but knowing themselves
that they're going to be great. That's the man. I mean,

(20:34):
there ain't no way to say anything else. That's the man, bro.
Other people might say they're the man, but you got
to put it on. You got to put up and go, dude,
I don't know what I'm doing. I see a vision.
Maybe I don't even see a vision. I'm going to
be doing something. And whatever I'm doing, I'm going to
go hard at it. And it's going to be legit.
And it turns out to be legit. Bro, whatever. I mean,

(20:57):
come on, bro. It's like, that's the man. That's you.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
It's going to be a weird clip for me to
put up.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
I'm just being real. Because I feel really uncomfortable. I've
been wanting to say that for a long time.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I feel uncomfortable when two things happen to me. People
insult me because I want to kill them. Or people
compliment me because it makes me feel very uncomfortable. But
I will accept that and just say thank you.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Of course. Of course. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I tried to get you to come to Nashville a
few times.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
For different reasons you couldn't.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
But I did.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I tried many. Because I moved everybody out.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
One at a time.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Sometimes two at a time. I was the Noah's Ark.
Two animals at a time.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Get in. So where do we want to take this?
So you went to Nashville. You told me to come
to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
We don't have to take this anywhere.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
But I want to take it, but I'm like.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
We would just have multiple conversations even before you got
married and had a kid. Then I completely understood. Once then, see,
I offered you a job pretty recently too, a pretty
high paying job. And you were like, I can't. And
I understood why.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
You have family.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
And you have her family nearby.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
But yeah, no, it was a high paying job. I
just want to say that again. And I said, come
take this high-paying job.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I want you to be here.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
And then you didn't respond for two months. And then
out of nowhere, it's like, oh, I can't do it.
And I already moved on. I hired somebody else at
that point.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right. You just said, oh, yeah, yeah. I wasn't even
thinking about it. Like, I moved on. Like, offered you
a job. Right. I got a job. Somebody's had this
job for a long time already.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I don't think it's you didn't want it. It would
have been harder the last time to do it because
of family. But the first couple times.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Oh, man. I should have moved to Nashville.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I was like, come live with me. Because everybody lived
with me for a while. Mike D lived with me
when he first moved out there. Eddie lived with me.
Everybody lived with me at some point.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I came to visit. Yeah. I come to visit, y'all,
over there. What was that? The government?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, Governor's Club.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Governor's Club. I was like, this is what's up. Y'all
going hard over here. And I was like, I need
to get here. And then... Finishing school, finishing school, finished
school by caught up in some nonsense. Nonsense. Everybody gets
caught up in nonsense. Then get out of the nonsense.

(23:05):
I ask you, what do you think? I'm ready to
come up. You remember this? I'm ready to come up.
You go, I don't think you should because I think
you're running away from something.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I was like, you were, you were, you literally were.
You don't want me to say what? You don't want
me to say what? You don't want me.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
To say what? That's what I'm saying. How, how, where
are we going with this?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Cause I was just like, come, come, come, come. And
at that point I was not saying come because I
know you were going through something and you're like, I'm
ready to come. And I said, no, because you're not
coming for you. You're coming cause you're running from something.
And I did not feel like that was your healthiest
version of moving with us. So we ain't going to
act like I said, no, don't come. It was, I
wanted you to come because you wanted to, not because

(23:43):
you didn't want to be where you were. And you know,
that's a healthy.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Man, I wish you would have said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just come up.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Two times after that, I said, you should come.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Two times after that, I was like, ah.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
What'd you think about Caitlyn when you met her?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh man, Caitlyn. She was awesome. You remember when you
straight up called Caitlyn, I was at the house and
you was like, yeah, yeah, I got a girl that
I'm talking to. I was like, who? He's like, I'll
call her right now. And I see her. I'm like, dude,
you're the most beautiful chick I've ever seen. She's like,

(24:21):
thank you. I'm like, that's cool. And then Bobby's like, yeah,
that's my chick. I'm like, what's up, dog? That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I also would have never said that's my chick, but.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
No, you didn't say that's my chick, but you're like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's my girl.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
And you were one of the first people. Cause you
came and stayed with us.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I came with, was that, we got locked in though. Well,
something happened there.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
I mean, yeah, it was COVID.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
That was COVID?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was COVID. You stayed with us for a while.
And you, you and her would like go to lunch
one hour or like breakfast. I would go cause I
had to work from upstairs. Right.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
So you came and stayed with us for a while. Right.
And so you guys were spending a lot of time together.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Cause she was just like open and she was just
talking about how much she loved you. I was like,
you do? You love Bobby?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, that's what she would say too. Why is he
so surprised that someone loves you?

Speaker 1 (25:11):
I'm not saying it like that, but I'm like, okay,
you love Bobby? Like how much you love him? What'd
he do to make you love him? And she's like,
he's just being himself. And I just love how funny
he is. I just love how he is. I was like,
you love how he is. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
It also had to be a little weird for me
to feel that way about someone as well. Like to
be in, because I was never in ever. I didn't
feel like anybody was worth me being in on ever
until her.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
That was a hardcore change because you were always, not always,
but you had had relationships. Yeah. Not good ones.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Not real ones. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah. Yeah. It's like you had had relationships and it
was like, okay, well, I guess it's not really serious.
We could always tell it's not that serious, not that serious.
But then this one come, I'm like, oh, he's serious.
She's serious. And she's like, kind of, I wouldn't say
changing you, but you're kind of doing what she would

(26:20):
ask without being like, I'm Bobby Bones. You do what
I say. I mean- It was the understanding on other
relationships that that was, it was unspoken.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah. The other relationships, they didn't matter. I just did
what I wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I'm saying truth. I'm not saying, I'm not saying falsities.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah. I, I agree. She's the first person that I
cared about so much and even loved that I was
okay with modifying some of the things about me that
would make our relationship easier if I did.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right. She was like, I would tell him you can't
be leaving your forks in the, in the, in the
think oh you're going micro things all those things right
micro macro but the micro micro goes the macro but
she's like i'm like you told him that she's like
yeah and i what'd he do he cleaned his fork
up and i.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Was like oh okay he did all right that's legit
i mean you know her now well she's strong.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah hardcore she's Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
She doesn't take anybody's crap.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
No, she's not a pushover. No. No. She going to
push you over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
And if you think that she's just a pretty face.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
No. Oh, man. I bet people think that. Oh, man.
They better wake up. She's going to tell you what's up.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I mean, she's the smartest person I know.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Like she's.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
If she was here, I wouldn't say that to her.
I'd be like, you know, I'm smarter. But she's the
smartest person I know.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
But she knows she probably is, so you don't have
to say it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
She also has some weird things with her brain where
she can, and these aren't smart things, but just little quirks,
where she can take a word, you could just say calcium,
and she can just see it in her head and
spell it backwards without even spelling it.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
But she's like you. She can memorize anything with one listen.
You know every lyric to every song that you hear.
And I always thought, that's crazy. She can hear a
song once and know every word to it. And it's
odd if we get into arguments, she can go, this
is not what you said. And I know really that
she has a perfect memory. And so it's hard for
me to push back on that, except she could be
lying because she has the perfect memory and I have

(28:28):
to believe her. And so now I'm like, that's not
true because I think she could just be using that superpower.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
To make you think. Right.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
What about.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Her family's cool too, though.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, her family's awesome. They're the greatest.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Legit, like tall... Her dad, tall, handsome brothers, tall, handsome, smart.
I'm like, of course that's her.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Sister's athlete.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Looks like Kayla. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I was mostly thinking like they're good people, but yeah,
you went to the physical.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Right. I mean, they're good. I don't know them as
well as you know them. I just know them a
couple of meetings, but I mean, they were all nice.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Last thing. So we have a baby.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is that crazy to you that?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah. That's actually really, I mean, that's actually the most,
probably the most crazy because i never even thought i
mean i never even i didn't even know you were
like trying.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Well i never thought we first of all i never
thought i would get married until i met caitlin that's
what i was gonna say i didn't know no you
can say i don't care right i never thought i
would get married i just given up on being married
and i given up like oh man i was like
it ain't for me not a big deal right yeah
like i don't have the capacity to do whatever people
do to get married and i'm not going to settle.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I thought you had said that to yourself that's what
i'm saying so i was gonna say that i was
gonna say like i didn't even think you were trying.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
To get married so got married and then obviously uh
had a baby and then um.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah it's it's so then the baby stuff it's like
How do you feel? Like you feel good? You feel scared?
You feel protective? You feel like you're doing it wrong?
You're doing it pretty good? You're going to provide the best?
You hope for the best for her? Like how are
you going to do all of it?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
The answer is all of that.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yes. All.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Am I doing bad?

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Am I doing good? Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Am I scared?

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Is it amazing?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yep. Right. It's like all.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
But there's no time. I thought I would have these.
I'd take a journal with a felt, like a feather
pen and write thoughts of existential life with children and
how the aversion of me is now growing. Who has
time for that with a baby?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Real life, right?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
No time for existential thoughts out underneath a tree with
my quill and ink.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah. Like, what do you have to say to all
the people who don't have a baby right now? I
would say you're living a fantasy life. I would. Your
life is great right now. You're living a fantasy life
to them. I would say that to them being like,
you have all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
I would say.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Nothing. You would say nothing because I.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Can lend nothing to, I can lend nothing that they're
going to hear from me say, and it's going to
actually affect them because you just don't know until it happens.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh, that's so real.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
So it's, I would say nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Oh, you gotta, it's like, I can't tell you what
it really is. I can only tell you what it
feels like. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
So my answer would be nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Because I'm not qualified to give advice.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
I can tell you how it makes me feel. And
it's all the things that you said. And we'll wrap
on this. The one thing that I do feel that
I for sure feel is such a different kind of
love for Caitlin because seeing her as a mom. And
I thought, I can't believe I actually love someone because
I never told anybody I loved them. I mean, ever.

(32:02):
My grandma, when I was like nine, but that didn't
happen in my family. I never said it in a relationship.
When I said it to her, I was like, ah,
I peaked out. This is it. I love. I got there.
Top of the mountain. Can't go any higher. And then
to see her as a mom and how much she
cares and how much she holds herself accountable, how hard

(32:22):
she is on herself and how great she is with
the baby and how she wants to... Another mountain just
grew behind that mountain and I got to climb on
top of it. And that's the peak. That's the thing
that I would say to like a friend, if they're
about to have a baby with their, their wife and
they're like, yep, I love her to the max. You
don't know max yet.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
You know what? I got to say that about my
wife too. It's like when she was carrying my baby,
I was like, dude, you're legit. She had no epidural,
no drug at all. She just did straight delivery. And
I was like, do you change my view of you?
That's so hardcore. I was in the room seeing her

(33:04):
push through that. She wanted to not have anything in
her system, not any help. And she just pushed, pushed, pushed.
And then obviously with her, with Vaughn or my son's
name is Vaughn, but with her and Vaughn and she's
just like taking care of them so much. It's like,

(33:24):
I know I said, Caitlin was like one of the,
best looking chicks I've ever seen. My wife's obviously one
of the best looking chicks I've ever seen as well.
And she goes hard too. And I loved her. Like I,
like you said, the love for her grew crazily even
before she had the baby. When she was carrying it,

(33:45):
I was like, hey, that's my wife right there. She's
going hard.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Speaking of no epidural, no drugs, While the delivery is happening.
I also had none of that.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Okay. How did you feel?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I felt strong.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Okay. Nice.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I felt strong.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Thank you for asking. Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
How about that couch though? Cole, it sucked. That sucked.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
They need better couches for the dudes. That's a whole
other episode.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Thank you for sitting in.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
What started with us just testing mics again today ended
up with two episodes. If you missed the first one,
go back.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
We did.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
It's actually the same day. We just had to cut
it because something happened in the middle. But this is
one of my best friends in life, Ahmad Watson. And
we'll see you guys. Stay weedy. Hit the comments.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Stay weedy.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
I know this episode is a little different, but this
is more of an in the weeds of like us
as people. Appreciate you guys watching and we will see
you guys soon.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Hang tight.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
The Bobby cast will be right back. And we're back
on the Bobby cast.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Hello everybody.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Welcome to another episode of in the weeds. We are
shooting this from Los Angeles, California. I'm here with one
of my best lifelong friends known as 5,000 Watts known
as Ahmad Watson, Ahmad Watson.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah. What up? What up?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
We were just talking before this started. This episode now
that we're shooting, I mean, we've been doing the Bobbycast
for 10 years now. 10 years.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And we're about to shoot another one, which is why
we're here. But I think maybe episode two you were on?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Right. I'm thinking it's episode two, right? You called me up.
You were like, not even called me up. I was
in the room just hanging out with you. And you
were like, you want to come and just talk? And
I was like, talk about what? Well, I'm doing this,
I don't know, just come and hang out. I guess
it was one of your apartments. And I was thinking,
all right. We just started talking. All of a sudden,

(35:55):
I'm like, Bobby Cass is on Netflix? How's that possible?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
You weren't looking for you, though.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Your episode. At first, when I first did it, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
We shot that with like Polaroids and an apartment.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
You're looking for your episode. Right, right. I'm scrolling like, no, no, no.
When did you start it on Netflix? What episode was it?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
We've now shot 94. I had signed a two-year deal
with them for 80 episodes a year. And that started
in January. We've already put 94 episodes up. But we've
shot all those since I signed the deal. I didn't
put any of the old ones up.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
So when you were asking me to do this little
talk in your apartment.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I mostly wanted to test microphones.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
You just.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I was like, hey, sit over there because I want
to see if the microphones work. Because we had $ 5 microphones.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
It was probably me and Mike and that's it.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
No, Mike wasn't even in there. It was me and you.
You were like, come downstairs. We're going to talk.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Were you just in town?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Just hanging out.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Just hanging out.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
A random hangout. Yeah. And we were just talking and
you were like, sing for me. And I was like,
sitting on the dock.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
I had you singing. I was really testing microphones then.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah. Right. And you came in, you were like, I
don't know what these things do. Let's go and try
them out. And I was like, okay. We just started talking.
I mean, I just didn't know if it was a Bobbycast.
I didn't even know it was going to be anything.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
That was one of the very first ones.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Did you know that you were going to be like,
this is going to be a Bobbycast, like this is
what I'm going to do? Or were you just like,
we're just hanging out?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
When we started that show, you're talking about in general?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
In general, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I wanted to do a show that I thought would
not be popular, meaning I was only going to put
on songwriters or... Even artists, but we really wouldn't talk
about the glamorous side of being an artist because I
think a lot of people like that. They like to
hear about what it's like to be famous, what it's
like to have hit songs. But I wanted to talk
to people about writing the song. And back then, there

(38:02):
were no songwriter podcasts. There were no producers on podcasts.
So I was always interested. And it was honestly for
two reasons. I was interested in that because no one
ever saw that. You don't know who wrote the song.
You don't know the stories really about the songs. And
then also, I was kind of thinking long term, if
I could create relationships with these people, through this, I

(38:22):
would then know more people in town because it's not
like I'd been in town, but for a couple of
years and I could almost have friends because I really
kind of kept from having a lot of creative or
at least artist friends for a while. But I could
at least kind of lean on the knowledge that I'd
taken from them about this town. So a little bit
of it was being selfish. I was just trying to learn.

(38:43):
But then I wanted to do a podcast that I
didn't think a lot of people would hear because I
thought who would really care about hearing songwriters that they've
never heard of talk about songs. Little did I know
that it would catch on. And it didn't blow up
for years. It did okay. And then it did pretty good.
But once it got to be pretty good, I thought
this is blowing up for what I expected. And then

(39:04):
big artists wanted to come on and talk about things
that they didn't normally get asked. And then it just
turned into people just wanted to be interviewed long form.
I mean, it just kind of turned much bigger than
the idea was.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Wow. So there was really no long-term goal when you started.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
My long-term goal was to make connections and do, um,
I had the very first ever podcast network in our
entire company, which is now half of just in podcasting.
So I had dinner with our CEO 12 years ago
and I've been podcasting since 2005 in Austin. We were

(39:42):
podcasting in Austin, not this show, not the Bobbycast, but
we were podcasting in Austin and And then my CEO
at dinner once in New York, when I was negotiating
a deal, he said, I think you should like really
lean into what you're already doing with podcasts. Like you
should go find shows. And I said, can I create
a network? And then I can bring shows on and

(40:02):
then make money from them. But you then use that
money to pour back into them and it'd be a business.
And so it was the first ever podcast network in
our company. Now people have made bigger ones since. Like
Charlamagne's podcast network now does. is five times the size
of mine, but we haven't really dedicated to the network

(40:23):
getting massive. Just we've poured into the shows being supported.
I think if I sign another deal, we'll grow, grow,
grow a lot more. But yeah, it was the first
ever podcast network. It's kind of cool how it's all
happened now. And now there's probably 50 podcast networks in
the company.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I see. I see. When you say podcast network, you mean?
Good question. Right.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
I should have explained that.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
What do you mean when you say that?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
So I have my show. And then there are like
eight or nine shows that are under my umbrella.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Like Dr.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Josie, my vet, she has a show. And Caroline Hobby,
who was an artist. Now she hosts a podcast. She
has a podcast. Amy has a podcast. Sore Losers have
a podcast. So all these are under my network. And
so I support them, help them get paid, place them

(41:23):
in other feeds. Morgan's the president of the company, of
the podcast network.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah. So it's basically just a big support system. And
so everybody gets money, everybody gets paid. And then the
money that comes to the network, I pour back into people,
even to shoot videos, like I have to buy equipment
and like I fund a lot of it. So that's
the network. It'd just be like a business.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah. Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Then we sign more shows.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Right. Right.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
If we like them.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
The shows right now you have are just your friends
or people you work with.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
People I trust. And we've had some shows that came
on that I didn't know that didn't work out, but
that's fine. That always happens.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
So, but.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I don't hire them because of my friends. Caroline Hobby,
her show is called Get Real with Caroline Hobby. She
had a podcast already. And it was doing pretty good.
So I went and said, hey, come over here and
I can make sure you get paid more. So I
didn't just make her do a podcast because she was
my friend. She was already doing one. But she was
on Amazing Race. She was a signed artist. She had

(42:28):
an interesting perspective. What she was doing at first, which
I found super interesting, and she doesn't do this as
much anymore, but I'm seeing major podcasts do this now.
And she was the first one I ever heard of
doing it. She was doing just the Wives and Girlfriends
of Country Artists podcast. five, seven years ago, just talking
to them. And I said, that's a brilliant idea. And
now there's like three or four of those podcasts, like

(42:49):
even sports, they'd have like sports wags. Um, so, but
she did that and that's what made me sign her.
And now she does all kinds of stuff, but she's,
you know, mental health, wellness, some, some, sometimes, you know,
woo woo stuff, but she's a great talent.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Dr.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Josie does a really good animal, like Veterinarian podcast. But
she had a baby, so she's been for the last
five or six months.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Dead?

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Not dead. Dead to podcasts. Let's see. Who else do
we have on the network, though? BobbyCast, obviously. But our show,
25 Whistles, is on the network.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Sports show.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Amy's.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Lunchbox. Matt Castle.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
No. Actually, the show I do with Matt Castle. It's
called Lots to Say. That's an NFL show. It's the
only show that I do not have any ownership of.
I have none. I'm a paid employee. I don't even
have control of what goes over the air or not.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Why do you do it?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
It worked for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I took the job just because it's an NFL brand.
But it's odd because they have full control, full time.
We interviewed Pac-Man Jones like four weeks or so ago.
He came over to the studios. It was an awesome
interview and he's out of control.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
He was out of control when he played like strip
club guns. Hey man, Jones came to your house.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Came.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No, he came to our studio. We used to do this.
As you know, we used to do all the Bobby
cats on the property at my house. But Caitlin was like, hey,
let's not have everybody over all the time. Because it
would just be random people showing up.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Just all the time. And it's on the property, so
it's not in the house.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But still.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
But still, they're like walking to the backyard.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
She was like, maybe we don't have a, you know,
most people are normal, but some don't look it.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And so.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
When did she first say that? About who?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
So, it was in the old house.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
Because that one wasn't attached to the house. We bought
that house because it had a different building. But it
was just people all the time, more so than anything else.
We were having security issues too, where people were trying
to get in the house. And that stupid bus that
would do celebrity sightings would drive by and tell everybody
where we lived.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
So it was a combination of all that. And so
she was like, hey, is there any way we could
do this somewhere else? And I said, not right now.
We bought the new house we live in, had that built.
So we were working out of it and we still
do for the radio show some, but I still had
people coming over. They'd go through the side gate and
they'd walk in. She'd be like, dang, people are weird. Like,

(45:25):
was his scrotum pierced? You know, stuff like that. And
so I said, I will fix it. We were talking
about it in therapy one day and like couples therapy.
And we were just talking about things that we hope
to improve. And I brought it up and I said,
I would love to improve. but we talked way early

(45:46):
on in our marriage about how this has to happen
because for this show, I don't want to have to
drive 20 minutes into work. I'm already there all day
and we do this in the afternoon and she completely
got it and she never forced me to do it.
But I said, hey, what if I buy a couple
of buildings? And she was like, do whatever you think

(46:06):
you need to do. I would love it if it
wasn't here, but I'm not going to tell you not
to do it. And so I was like, this is like,
$ 2 million is building.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I was like, but I'm going to buy this building
and I'm going to build out a podcast studio. She's like,
do it. She said, do what you gotta do. Like,
you know her.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
There's certain, there's certain things that she is the most
chill about.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
And one, one of them is trusting me when it
comes to letting you do my vision of my career.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And she said, you know what you're doing? You were
doing it way before me. So, and she, there's no,
with her, there's no, like, don't spend money on this.
If anything, in therapy once, I was like, you need
to spend money telling her that. Because she'd be like,
I don't want to spend money. I don't feel comfortable.
And I would be like, we have some. So you

(46:59):
should spend some.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
But now you have to drive off.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It's four minutes from my house. That was part of it.
So we found these buildings. You're going to see when
we go back to Nashville. And so we built in there.
It took a year.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Because it was.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
An old yoga studio and sauna place. Smelled like funk.
Just sweaty people there the whole time. We ripped the
guts out of the front building. Built an office and
two small studios. Ripped the guts out of the back building.
It was a massive garage. Put walls up on the
outside and then built a really big studio for the
Netflix show. And then I say we. Caitlin helped design

(47:36):
that one. But Brandon did a lot of the tech.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
And then Brandon and Reed designed the second big one.
So we have four studios. We're building a fifth over
there right now. And it's only four minutes away.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
But that's why we moved over there. And so people
come there now.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And we do it there. And Caitlin doesn't see people
with their scrotum spirits walk into the backyard.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Right, right. Because I went when you guys had the
studio in the back by the pool.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, so it's still there. It is, but we don't
have people over. We'll just do that for the Bobby
Owen show sometimes. Oh, or the air conditioner that like,
it's so hot in Nashville. The AC went out at our,
we'll just call it the Netflix studios. They don't own it.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
That's at the building. The building. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
But we'll call them the Netflix studios. So the air
went out and so we couldn't work out of there
because there was no air conditioning. It was 107 degrees. So,
but we had a Bobby cast scheduled with Leanne Morgan.
Do you know who that is? Real Southern comedian. She
has a show on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
She's. I don't think so. Okay. Massive.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Has more Instagram followers than I do. Like massive. She
sold out the arena in Nashville, like the Bridgestone Arena.
Sold the arena completely out.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Comedian?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Comedian.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
The one who did the trash?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
No, that's Brittany Kellogg.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
And then she sold out the, they just put another
arena show. Like she's selling out massive arenas, doing standup comedy.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
So she was coming over. I don't want to cancel it.
So we just had her come over to the house
because she didn't have her scrotum pierced.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
She was safe to come over.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah. And I think she's from Tennessee, from the South.
So nice. I think she's probably, I don't want to
mess up her age, but 60 or so. So we,
and then Caitlin came down because Caitlin knows her work
and Caitlin's mom's a massive fan. And whenever Leanne Morgan
was there, she was like talking to Caitlin. She was like,
tell your mom if she wants to come to any show.

(49:29):
So we called Caitlin's mom. She's like, I've already got
four tickets in Oklahoma. I'm already going. That's kind of funny.
And then Leanne Morgan stayed after we finished and just
like played with the baby.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
She's like, like Seinfeld is such a fan of her.
He did shows with her. Like he put her on shows.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
She's just hanging out, chilling with the baby.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But we did that at the house.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
It's like the last one of those we did.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Hayden wouldn't want Pac-Man though.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So here's the thing about Pac-Man.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That's where we are. Right.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
So he comes and he does this interview and it's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
I'm talking, he's talking about smoking weed before every, before
every game. He's not bragging. He's just talking about the lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
That Like real life, what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Real life and why he was doing it. And it
was so good. And in no way was he being.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
I.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Don't want to say seeking attention, but in no way
was he telling these stories and embellishing these stories for effect.
He just was keeping it real because Matt Castle does
the show with me and he was an NFL quarterback.
Those players respect when they're with another player. And so
I get... That show gets automatic respect because Matt Castle's
in the room. So Pac-Man's killing it. He's doing, he's

(50:39):
telling such good stories. We send it off to the NFL.
We're kind of like, this episode's going to blow up.
Now it doesn't matter. We get paid the same anyway.
I actually get paid.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
It's little.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
It's little.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Small amount.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
It's the smallest of anything that I do.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
But it's the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
It's just so big. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I'm working for the NFL and it's so great and
they've given me access to things and Um, they came
back and they said, well, you have to cut 20,
24 minutes of the 60 minute interview. And cause it made,
I won't say I made them look bad, but there
was some stuff happening. He was talking about like before games,
but they didn't want out there. And I completely understood
like that's the brand.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And my point with that is since I don't own
the show, I just said, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Okay. Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
And had to remove it and a little bit of hurt.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
But what am I going to do?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I'm an employee of that.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Of that. I'm not an employee of a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
No, I'm an employee in many areas, but it's different
because I own parts of pretty much everything that I
do now. Like I have an interest in everything that
I do at this point. I don't have none there.
And it's the least amount of money that I make.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But I don't, I don't do things for money anymore,
but I can only say that because I have money.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Now you have, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
At first, I used to do things for no money
because I had no money.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
And now I do things for no money because I
have all the money.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Oh, man. That's too real.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But it's real on both sides. That's too real on
both sides. I think I'm more real... Here, the realest
I've ever been able to be was at the very
beginning and right now.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Wow. That's hardcore game right there. That's hardcore.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Not that I haven't always been able to be real
because my whole brand has been that.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
But the most honest and... I would say.
The most authentically unworried I can be is when I
first started, I had nothing to lose. I had no money.
I was doing it for free. And now, because is
there a lot to lose?

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
But if I lose it, I'm all right.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
You still love what you do as much as you
did when you were first starting?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
It's starting to be more.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Starting to be more what?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
More than when I first started because- Oh, starting to
love it more?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah. Wow.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I'm doing too much right now You can't possibly listen
to everything that I do right now, meaning I'm producing
16 hours of content a week that exists. So that's
not the work going into it, but it's just... No
one can listen to 16 hours of my stuff a week.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
They never know all of the things that Bobby Bones
is doing.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
And I don't expect them to.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
They can't even hear it.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Even my in-laws, who are so supportive and they listen
to most stuff, my father-in-law was like, man, we... I
don't know that story. And I was like, I thought
you listened to everything. And he was like, I can't anymore.
I'm like, I know because I got two hours of
25 whistles going up a week, two different shows, one
hour of an NFL show going up a week. I
got 13 hours of the Bobby bone show going up

(53:45):
a week. I got four hours of the Bobby cast.
That's more than more than 20 hours. You can't listen.
You can't listen to all that, but I get it.
But I'm starting to get a little tired now and
starting to do too. Like it's too much. The reason
I don't do less though, It's not because I'm fearful anymore.
It used to be, I was scared to do less
because if I did less, it meant I was less valuable.

(54:07):
Now it's like, I would probably quit an episode a
week of 25 whistles if I could, but I got Eddie,
Kevin and Mike D on that show. And I gave
them percentages of ownership of that show.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Nice. Wow.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And I had never done that before, but they deserve it.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I see.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
And so if I decide to not do it anymore,
they lose not this, not the whole show. We'll still
do one a week, but they're going to lose money
because they finally have ownership of something. And I was
so proud to give them ownership of a show.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Taking care of your homies.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Rather than just paying them.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Of course. Giving them something like longevity to hold on
to and ownership.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And if I go away for some reason, like God
forbid I die, they can still do that show and
have a percentage ownership of it.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
That's crazy. That's what's up.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
But I would do less though.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Would you just say cut 25 whistles or would you.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Say- I do one episode a week. I like doing sport.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Listen, perfect- Too many sports.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Too many sports. Perfect world. I would just do one
episode of one of the things. Either lots to say,
which is great for the NFL, but making very little money.
Do you know what I make on that show?

Speaker 1 (55:17):
What?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
It's not very little money. I'm just saying compared to
the other things that I make.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Oh, yeah. What is it?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Well, you're going to roll your eyes because it's not
very little money.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
Right. To us, poor people, it's not very little money.
Having money is not everything. Not having it is.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
True words have never been spoken. And I never got
it until I went from having no money to having
all the money and going, this is not the most
important thing. But you can never know that. And I
don't even say that to people because I don't, I
didn't want to hear that. When I was broke, people
with money going, ah, it's not the most important thing.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Damn. Right.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
You don't want to, like, shut up. That's what I
would think.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
People who are broke want to say, They want you
to tell them how to get money.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
And then.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Tell me how to get the money. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
And then let me make up my mind if it's not.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Exactly. Exactly. Tell me how to get the money. I'll
decide if it's not important or not.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
And so for me, that, you know, having money is
not everything.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Not having it is.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Because having money, you can't even make like secondary decisions
on your wellness because you're just trying to eat food
and pay bills. Like that's the first half of that saying.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
That's everything.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
That's how we grew up.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That's how we grew up.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Right. So. It was everything.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Not having it. That is.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Everything.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And things like going to therapy, things like investing money
in anything or time in anything. You don't have it
because you spend. All time just trying to survive.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Just trying to get it and work.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Paycheck to paycheck.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
You just stand out. You come home. You sleep. You
see your moms.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
There's no room for any sort of growth because you're
just going paycheck to paycheck trying to have groceries.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
For the week. We're talking some real talk right now.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
But that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I mean, that's what it was for both of us
for most of our lives.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
So whenever it's not having it is, that's everything. Not
having money, you have no ability to do anything else
except try to work to survive. So the back half
of that, completely understand. So when it's having money is
not everything, but not having it is, nothing's more true
than not having it is.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
And then when it goes to having money is not everything,
you only get to know that if you get money.
And nobody without money wants to hear from somebody complaining
because they have money and going, oh, this ain't everything. Like,
shut up.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
That's why I don't complain about it. But I also
have to be more honest about it now. There was
a shift in my.
My storytelling of my life where I felt disingenuous. And
I won't say acting like I didn't have it, but
just not addressing it when I was talking about something

(58:07):
and going, man, that's crazy. I don't know if I
can afford it. I don't want to lie about it anymore.
So I don't hide from the fact that I've had
success anymore.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
When did you think you started having? Because I remember
you were at the house in Austin. Which one? I
had many. I know. I don't know which one. I
don't know when I met you, which house it was
when I met you, but I don't know if I
can say the street. I don't care. I don't live
there anymore. It was on SQ. It was the small one. SQ.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
It had like- If you remember the street name, that's crazy.
The white one, the first house I ever bought?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That was my first house.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's what I was wondering.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Like when I was working at 24 Hour Fitness with you?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
So what was your question about that?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
So I'm like, I remember you went from SQ- to
then there was a house on Brody that was two-story.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
That was my nice house.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
That's what I'm wondering. Did you think, oh, I made
it when you got to that house?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
No, I thought I made it when I bought the
first house.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Oh, you did? Oh, because you never even had a room.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I never even had a bedroom.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You were on the couch watching Mr. Ed at night
falling asleep, Patty Duke style.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
We were, I lived in those apartments right next to
that house.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
On Brody. No, Slaughter, on Slaughter. I lived in those
apartments across from your apartments.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
We lived in an apartment complex right across from each other.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Deer Ridge across the street from Bella Vista.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
Yes, we lived right across.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
From each other. Damn, shout out to Bella Vista.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
And so I moved like five blocks over.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
And bought my first ever house.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
And lived there. I made it.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
That's why you went over there to Estes? I made it. Okay,
you had made it then. That's legit. Are they here?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
We can continue this.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
We'll continue this.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
We'll cut for now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
We'll come back.

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