Lots to Say: Combine Measurements and Fmr NFL QB Jordan Palmer

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel start with measurements taken at the NFL Combine.  Matt thinks the game film will tell you more than any of the Combine drills.  How much does short arms or small hands affect how someone plays?  

Fmr NFL QB Jordan Palmer looks back to his prepping for the NFL Draft at the Combine and Pro Days. Jordan reveals the QBs he's working with and how his work with Sam Darnold has paid off with a Super Bowl.  Jordan talks about the use of therapy and gaining clarity and resilience about playing football.  Matt asks Jordan for his opinions on the upcoming 2026 QB Draft class.  Check out the RX3 Celebrity Charity Flag Football Tournament

Matt and Bobby were both surprised by the speed at the NFL Combine.   How much did NFL Prospect Taylen Green improve his draft stock?  Matt wraps up with the Texans trading for RB David Montgomery.  

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots, just say, we got lots to save?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
What a backer here?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
And we hope you say because we got lots, just say, yeah,
we got lots to say. Here's Bobby in that. Everybody
walk home. I went on a walk yesterday as my wife.
She's very pregnant, and so we're doing lots of walking.

(00:42):
And there is a football alse stadium. It's not so
much stadium, but it's a big football field with a
track around it and some bleachers at this Oak.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hill school, yes, the middle school.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Why do they have such a big football stadium.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
For six graders? I have no idea. It's unbelievable and
it only goes sixth grade. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's an awesome Yeah, everything about it is amazing. And
my wife says to me because we're looking at it,
and I was just like appreciating how fresh it was.
I knew it was, how the lines are painted new.
I was like, man, that field looks so good. She goes,
that's only for up to sixth grade. Yeah, why do
they need a stadium that big.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I really don't know, because I was saying the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
I was going, Okay, they've got this incredible stadium, but
you're talking about you. I guess they have a fifth
and sixth grade football team, But that's like the most
incredible facility for fifth and sixth graders that they're not
even going to move up and get to play on
it after sixth grade. They're actually transferring to another school
around here, paying more money to.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Go to just as nice facilities.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I feel like it's playing football at Georgia and then
going to play for the Arizona Cardinals. You're like going down,
even though you're getting older and going up, you're going
to a worse facility.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
I mean, these kids are It's crazy the amount of money,
particularly here in Nashville. When I first got here and
saw the proximity of all these schools and the wealth
at all these schools and the facilities. I mean, growing
up going to public school in La our facilities, I'm
just gonna be honest with you were terrible, absolutely terrible.
The weight room was terrible. You go to some of
these schools and I'm like these are ten times better

(02:16):
than what we had in college than what I had
in college at USC. And then in some cases when
even when I got to the pros before they've redone
all these stadiums and they've it's an arms race in
terms of weight room, locker room, they're better than that.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Like when you go to NBA over there and look
at that, have you seen their facilities? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Do you think it's because the money in this town.
There's a lot of artists in town, like massive country artists,
music artists, and athletes in this town. Do you think
that's generally where it's from.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
I think some of it's from that.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
I think that it's also here in just Nashville itself
and the medical aspect of it.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Like, there's a lot lot of money there. I don't
know anybody in that business, but there's a lot of
money there. There's a lot of ex athletes here.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
It's just I mean, it is a very affluent area,
so they're willing.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I mean, check this out. I did hear that NBA
is NBA.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
It's an all boys school in seventh grade, Montgomery Bell Academy.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Do they call it NBA though, as Yeah, that's a
big call.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
And there was somebody that had passed away that went
to school there and left them I think it was
ninety to one hundred million dollars to go to their
adowment that he had no kids or anything like that,
and he donated that to the school in as will,
and I was like, Okay, that will help your endowment
and help the health of your school and everything else
to go along with it.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
That would be e leap for a major university to
get much less of high school.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
High school.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, I saw that. Thatughts pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
I do have a lot of because now that we
just had the Combine and we're going to the Pro
Days and we're gonna talk to Jordan Palmer coming up.
It's all about little body parts on players. It's always
every year.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, short arms, short, the hands aren't big enough, they're
not tall in stature. It's every little thing that they
can dissect to bring a negative, something negative towards the player.
That's what they do. And that's why I always think
in a lot of these cases, you can help yourself
by the way you run, by the way you drump.
But they're also critiquing all the little details of trying

(04:22):
to find something that takes away from the player, and
I'm like, this isn't even real football. These are guys
in shorts and in track shoes running their fastest that
they've been training for. They're elite athletes, there's no doubt
about it. But turn on the football film and watch
how they play the actual game of football. That probably
will tell you a little bit more than just what
we see at some of these combines.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I have three they're talking about this year, and then
I have over the past ten years some of those
that have been noteworthy. So this year, Ruby Bay Junior
is a big one in the edge of Miami. He
measured at thirty and seven eighth inch arms and nine
in an eighth inch hands, So skepticism there that his
arms aren't long enough, right, But just imagine if Bain

(05:05):
and Will Campbell went at each other small arms on
small arms. I knew he was coming in this conversation
and then we're back to even.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
It's just like two t rex is fighting it out.

Speaker 5 (05:14):
Hey, now it's even. And he also ran on what, oh,
I don't know. I was like a four to four, right,
a four? I did all small body parts small body.
If I had to go to the combine and they
measured a lot of body parts, shoot, yeah, h cash us.
How the edge from Texas A and M. He had
short arms, the shortest of any edge rusher at thirty
and a quarter inches, And that was met because I

(05:37):
saw him talking about it where he was saying that
he knows that is something they'll pay attention to, but
that his technique can go up against anyone in college
and even in the pros, and that's what he's really
worked on.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Another one is the tackle at Utah. I think you
say his name, Fano, Spencer Fano. He's thirty two and
an eighth, which is thirty three is the standard as
far as the tackle.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, oh gosh, it's too bad. And you know what happens.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Whenever an offensive tackle has short arms, they go looks
like it will be a guard.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
I mean that's usually the hundred percent that is.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Or if you're a little bit undersized at the tackle
position so you're three point fifteen instead of something else
or three ten, they're like, oh, well, I mean he's
just not tall enough, he's not big enough. It's not
this sad, and we'll move him to guard. Fatten him
up little bit and it'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Fatten him up like it's a turkey.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, well, come on, boy, I have your protein shakes.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Will Campbell last year his arms were thirty two and
five eighths, so you know the thirty three thirty four
inch benchmark. And again, what were the longest arms?

Speaker 4 (06:42):
I don't have that I didn't do.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I would love to see from you're talking about elite tackles,
the Trent.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
Williams of the world.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Some of these guys with Joe Thomas says, what were
their measurables and what did that look like compared to
Are we talking about three inches longer? Are we talking
about two inches longer? Because it's always fascinating to me
that thirty three is seen as the kind of the cutoff.
But these guys or less than an inch from being at.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
That point, or a quarter inch or a quarter of
an inch if you're thirty two and five eighths, they're
going up short arm, short arms.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Even the longest one am Mill Wagner, at thirty four
and a half.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
That's the longest arm ever.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
And it's just one of them. The other one was
at thirty one running off cricket. Always tell my wife
the inch doesn't matter. I do have small hands. Now
over the years, can you picket? From twenty twenty two?
I think that to me is the most notorious case
of small hands. He measured in at eight point five inches.
The threshold for quarterback hands is.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Do you know what nine? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I thought you were going to nine. I was going
to nine for sure, but I didn't know if it
was nine and three fours yeah or not. Because were
really specific on these measurables.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
He was drafted at number twenty overall, which, by the way, Kevin,
would you look up Kawhi Leonards hands because I was
watching it was an exhibit with basketballs and they had
all of these great players in the NBA now and
their handprint on the ball, and they all had massive hands.
But Kawhi's hands made even the Lebron's hands look small.

Speaker 7 (08:10):
Really.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, we'll get to the Kawhi hans in a second.
But Jared Goff in twenty sixteen his was right at
nine inches. The Browns coach Hugh Jackson questioned out loud
if someone with small hands could succeed in cold, wet
conditions in Cleveland golf, then appear to miraculously grow his
hands by an eighth of an inch on pro day.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
You know what, there are these little things that can
happen when your strength and conditioning coaches are kind of
helping facilitate and they are taking these these.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Measurements of your hands and this that and the other
and spread out. Yeah, you get a little extra.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
I mean, diego Pavia, they said. And the thing was,
what's six foot in their program at Vandy? Oh yeah,
and then his measurable or his measurement.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Was five ten.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I don't think it was. I think it was five
to nine and some extra.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
Really, I think so looking back like they're doing on
a solid undersaying yeah, we're gonna put you at six
foot whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Bud Joe Row's hand size. Now this is back in
twenty twenty draft number one, regardless, but they said that
he had tiny hands. Patrick Mahomes he had nine in
a quarter. But the headlines were, well, Patrick Mahomes small hands.
Tank is NFL draft stock.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Kyler Murray not just hands but height.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Right, just overall stature.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
And you talk about Kyler, I think they were exaggerating
his height a bit, especially at Oklahoma but he had
the smallest hands of any of the passers taken in
the first round that year, yet posted the lowest funnel
rate in highest QBR Avenue rookie that season. Drake May's hands,
as big as he is, were just nine in and
eighth so right above the line, and cam Ward was
just nine inches.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
So can we just stop talking about hand size and
half an inch or a quarter of an inch or
anything like that. It really doesn't matter. Jayla melrow eight
and three fourths.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
See, that's the crazy part about this time of year
that I find fascinating every single year is there so
many arguments to me made to kind of tear down
the player and create skepticism over whether or not he
can get it done or if they gives them a
reason where if they fail early on, well we told you,
I mean, his arm length wasn't thirty three inches. He's

(10:21):
got short arms, and it starts that conversation. Well the
rookie quarterback struggled and he had multiple fumbles. Well it
was because he can't hold onto the ball and cold
weather because of his hands. I mean, everybody has obviously
different strengths and different physical attributes, but at the end
of the day. As I said before, it's can you
play the game of football and play it consistently? And

(10:42):
as you just mentioned, all those guys have had a
tremendous amount of success.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
What do you got eleven and a Quarterawhi Leonard?

Speaker 7 (10:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Kwhy wow? Shaq was twelve, Boban is twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
And Kawhi not near the size of those two guys.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
When I saw that, his fingers went well beyond even
what like if you looked up Lebron's what.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Are the biggest hands in the NBA? Lebron is eleven?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, okay, but Lebron is larger than Choir right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
He's I think at least an inch or too taller
and ways, yeah, you guys are freaking some nature. Are
you asking?

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Like the largest hands ever in this story of the world.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
No, let's screw NFL.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
It's gotta be if you're guessing, it's got to be
one of these massive offensive tackles, right.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
If you you'd have to think so, I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Because unless it's a quarterback like you just think because taller. Yeah, yeah,
if you're like Josh Allen or some of these six eight,
six or nine offensive tackles. Now at this point, maybe
like a nose noseguard only big three hundred, but.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
They're not that tall.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Fingers, big hands, big palms, Yeah, big palms, big thick, thick, ye.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Thick palms, Middle of America palms.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
It says Moley Cox, the tight end, he's got eleven
and three quarters, and then the Forrest Buckner.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Same thing. I'd put that as my header on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
Yeah, we got the biggest eleven and three quarter fingers.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Hit me up.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
We're gonna go over to Jordan Palmer, renowned quarterback coach,
former NFL quarterback himself. He's worked with some of the
best of the game, like Mahomes and Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
You know Jordan. I do know Jordan very well.

Speaker 5 (12:19):
I mean I've known Jordan for a really long time
because obviously I went to school with Carson, and so
I've known him since he was a kid coming to
games dressing up in these weird outfits and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
In high school.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
I've he actually when I used to go out and
throw sometimes with Carson, he wanted to get a workout
and he'd run routes for us when he was younger.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
And all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
He's a great guy, got a great football mind, and
has really developed into the go to guy to develop
these younger quarterbacks today.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Here he is Jordan Palmer. All right, one of my
favorite guests is Jordan.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Palmer, who by the way, Jordan, Matt and I were
talking before you came on. You were drafted at a
spot before Castle, a whole round before Castle was We
were celebrating that.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, we were, well, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
One of the interesting differences between Matt and Ies I
actually football in college on the team like Ange's and stuff,
you know, like it.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Was more versatile.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
I was versat We both put on uniforms, but then
I would when they say offense, you're up, I would
go on the field.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
With my team.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
And then unfortunately it flipped when we got to the
NFL and led and probably multiple.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Beautiful homes at this point. But that's what I was
gonna say, totally better than them in college. Where are
you now?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It looks like you're doing something football.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Ly, very footballly. Yeah, this is kind of the start
of March. I'm on the field right now. But is
the end of draft preps. So my guys just got
back from the combine Sunday. We kind of have a week.
One of them leaves tomorrow to prepare for their pro days.
So first ones, the eleventh, second one is the twelfth,
and the twentieth and the twenty third.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
So in March is when the pro to day.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So for those don't know, the college players go back
to their campus, NFL community, the scouts, GM's coaches, whoever,
depending on who they're evaluating, comes back to that and
I curate and run the pro day, the throwing session
for the quarterbacks. It's a scripted workout. So today was
kind of day two of that. We spent about a
week getting ready for the pro day, and then they
go back to their schools for a week and work

(14:18):
it out with their guys.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
But I also have like a top.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Kid in the twenty seventh class high school kid, and
then I've got two college guys next, so there's college
guys are on spring break, and so that for the
next couple of weeks the spring breaks fall, I've got
a really really big and really talented, you know, college
class college quarterbacks, and I operate a little differently, so
cas like everyone's entertainer for the year. I don't really

(14:44):
like train guys in the off season anymore. Everyone's on
retainer through the year. I'm doing in season breakdowns and
break down practice and curate individual period and so the
kind of outsourcing quarterback development. And so I've got about
nineteen college starters, and so they'll all be out here
at some version of the next three weeks as well.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
So these quarterbacks that you have in this diraft prep
that have come out of school getting ready for the
actual draft, you have relationships with most of these guys
or how many of these guys are coming to you
for the first time leading up to the draft.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
This year's zero, So all four of them. Kate Klebnick
from Clemson.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
This is my fourth year working with him on an
annual basis, coming out in the off season, talking during
spring ball, talking during training camp, talking during the season.
Kate McNamara is the same. Jalen Daniels this is last year,
was our first year, his senior year was our first year,
and then MJ. Rivers it has been two years as well,
and so so it's kind of the pipeline. I've got

(15:37):
some guys that I worked with in high school and
then college and now they're in the NFL, and so
I have a unique business and then I just do
one year contracts with everybody and I've never been fired.
And so if I can continue to help you get better,
then let's Kate continue to work together. And so I'm
able to play a lot of roles. But it's also
not me. I have a team. I have some great people.

Speaker 7 (15:58):
I have a.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Biomechanics like expert on human body and movement, super helpful
plays a role. I've got a physical therapists. I also
have a therapy therapist. These kids need therapy and he
helps them find their purpose in life, confident for resolution, prioritization,
those things. These kids need that. And then I've got
a couple of people in the staff that helped out

(16:19):
with things as well. So it's been super fun, but
it's fun to watch them go all the way through.
And you know, this year the Super Bowl, Sam Arnold
was like super fun watching him, Like started working when
he was fourteen, and so it's a pretty full circle
watching and stands watching that go.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Down with Sam.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I would assume there was frustration through the years because
you knew what you had and who you had worked with,
and that probably a lot of that was scenario based,
So did you feel that through the years, and then yeah,
I must justify everything that you've been working towards once
he finally won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right, yeah, you know with Sam, and there's there's two
other guys that had similar journeys that I'm in the
process of finalizing our relationship and so only the names out,
but similar journeys. But Castell, you know this, I mean,
like my context for this is my brother. I mean
just you just watched all the Cincinnati years and you go, well,
if he was just in this team, if you would

(17:12):
have played in New England, if he would right, and
then he had to go to Oakland and that was
like terrible, you know, and he would all realize that,
like he went three and thirteen one year and was balling,
you know, and got hurt like four times, and then
he finally arrived in Arizona, which I still wouldn't even
say is like, you know, a championship organization, but like
and it came together. So that was my context for

(17:33):
then having clients that I knew were really good, they're
just situationally in an awful situation. So with Sam, there's
kind of on the sports psychology thing side of things.
I give a lot of my guys like a line
for the year, and for years I've been telling Sam
the same thing over and over again, and it's really

(17:54):
only I would use say this line to somebody who
is a couple of things, talented enough to be a
real guy, has the commitment and work ethic and discipline
and all that stuff to get through hard times where
the environment's not going to change it.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
And then three has.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
The ability to envision themselves as a real guy, you know,
as a champion, as a starter, as a franchise guy. Okay,
so Sam is all three of those, and so for
probably about three or four years there I was reminding
him a year round that there will be a time
and a place where all you have to do is
play the best of your abilities and you'll be in
every game with a chance to make a run at
the end, because at the end of the day, that's
kind of all you can ask for. And so for

(18:32):
two years now he's been in a situation where all
he had to do was play the best of his abilities,
and he was in every single game and had a
chance to make a run at the end twice, and
he's won for two, and so.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
That's kind of been the theme.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
And this past year a big theme was basically the
muscle that gets stronger when everybody's doing you and roasting
you on social and then has counted you out. You're
either going to quit and fizzle out and be done
and just accept a backup role, or you're going to
strengthen your resilience muscle. And Sam's resilience muscle got really

(19:06):
really strong, Okay, got super jacked. Okay, Well, then that's
the same muscle you're gonna use when you head into
the playoffs as the number one seed and have to
block out all the noise and not change your routine
and not buy into everybody's saying. So the muscle that
he strengthened in New York and Carolina is the one
that he used in Seattle, and he got a Lombardi

(19:28):
and I think he's going to end up with a
couple based off of the organization he's in.

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Now.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
You know, you talk about that muscle and strengthening and
being calloused to all the outside noise, and with these
guys that are coming out this year that you're particularly
working with, do you think that Scouts in particular look
at their experience, have they played, have they been through adversity?
Because there's some guys like Ty Simpson that's just played
one year, right, and he doesn't have the same amount

(19:53):
of experience as like a Fermando Mendoza who's been through
a lot of ups and downs and all these different situations.
How do you go about dealing with those guys? And
do you think that's one of the valued traits that
NFL scouts look at, is the experience factor?

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I think it is.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
And uh, just the adversity How strong is you're handling
adversity muscle? It's just the hardest one to score some people.
It's really obvious, right you hear? I think back to
Deshaun Watson. I did his draft brick and all that
his childhood was so difficult and so well documented. He
had talked about it so much that there was never
going to be a how's this guy going to handle
hard times question with him? But then there is guys

(20:33):
where maybe they just because somebody hasn't been through hard
times doesn't mean they can't. I mean, cass, I think
of my brother. If you think about like middle school,
high school, and college outside of like a broken collarbone
and girlfriend broke up, and like that wasn't like real,
you know what I mean, Like it wasn't it was

(20:53):
you know, moderate amount of adversity compared to what a
lot of people go through. So that doesn't mean that
he's not going to be able to handle it. Well,
I just don't have any data or information in front
of me. So I think it's the hardest thing to
evaluate when you have a guy that doesn't have a
bunch of well documented adversity he's been through, whether it's
because they only played in one year or because life's

(21:14):
been pretty cushed so far. Then you got to get
into the psychological element of like, okay, but if we do,
if he does, when he inevitably does go through a diversity,
how how do we, you know, anticipate him handling it.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
That that right there, when teams have to guess or
make an educated guess on that, I think there's the
one of the lines between the bus and the guys
that made it is they were whiffed on that one.
These guys can figure out if somebody can't throw it,
or if they're too dumb to do it, or if
the bright the lights are too bright for him. You
can typically figure that out in this process. But the
inevitability of adversity and success, because I know guys who

(21:49):
have a success problem. They're great when they're backs against
the wall. It's just when everything starts going while they
screw it up. I've seen that too. So it's essentially
the inevitability of how well you handle those two things.
And I spent a lot of time talking about the
best the inevitability of success and adversity, how well you
handle those two things is actually how good you are.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
You mentioned there's therapists that you work with and that
work with your guys. I think of a guy like
Kay Klublick, who I know from Austin because he played
the high school ball there and I spent a lot
of time there. And you went to Clemson and was
the dude and probably if you asked him, isn't where
he wants to be As far as whenever the mock
drafts come out, you know they don't have him the
first round. He probably was that two years ago. Like,

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is that something that you talk to a therapist about,
Like how do you get through that?

Speaker 7 (22:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:46):
So one of the things my guy used to do,
right now is they work with a guy named Tom Rodriguez.
He's a therapist, he's a manager in family counseling, Bible based, secular,
all of it. But what we do is my guys
meet with him ten times so for an hour so
ten weeks individual and he's created a curriculum on helping
them truly identify their.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
Purpose in life.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Last night we all had dinner and everyone shared their
purpose statements and it was emotional and awesome, and it
was the conclusion of the straft prep pace. Many of
them going to the NFL continue to work with Tom
and in the process of identifying your purpose in life
and bringing clarity like if you can't say in twenty
five words or less, it ain't clear to you. Then
we go through things like your five quar treus, what

(23:27):
are things that are undeniably true about you? And when
you start to unpack and take inventory, these guys are
nineteen twenty or another or not these guys are twenty one,
twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. When you start to
unpack those things and essentially take inventory of what you
actually think about things, most of these guys have never
answered the question honestly of why do you love football
so much? Why do you care so much? Why do

(23:48):
you try so hard at it? It's just like we
just got stuff tomorrow. We just keep going, you know
what I mean. I got next I got next week,
next month. And so this is a great time to
really take inventory of those things. And at the end
of the day, we end up spend a lot of
time talking about something I call FOPO, which is feared
of other people's pay. Essentially what the outside world the
influence that it has over you. And so what we

(24:09):
try and do is give guys tools to be able
to stay true to who they are. At the end
of the day, I love themselves, right, We're all broken,
and we all are sinners, and we all need to improve.
But like at the end of the day, like you
love these things that you know God helped you become,
and these gifts that you've been given, And so we
really kind of unpack those things and trying to make
everything grounded in truth instead of trying to address a

(24:32):
situation like your draft stock slips or the fan base
things you're a bum, or they traded for this guy.
They clearly don't. They like somebody else better than you.
These things that this end up coming up if you
play the game long enough, but not worrying about blocking
things out and more about getting grounded in who you are.
But you've got to spend some time for these guys

(24:54):
to really unpack and build a relationship, get honest with
you know who they really are. And this has served
some of my guys really really well through the hard times.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
When you're going through this process, Right, you've got the combine,
then you going into your pro days? Which one would
you say holds more weight because once you say, Pro
day is more of the tangibles, right, your speed, your size,
how high you can jump, and showing off your physical ability,
but the Pro day is more relatable to actual football

(25:22):
and getting ready to go and how they evaluate you,
particularly at the quarterback position.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I don't think at the combine you can help
yourself a ton. I also don't think you can hurt
yourself a ton. Okay, so it's I think it's less relevant.
I don't think you can help yourself a ton on
the Pro day. I do think you can hurt yourself
at the Pro Day if you just have the worst
thrown duty of your life. In Indy, I watched justin

(25:48):
Herbert not throw well in Andy? Why does that not matter?
One of the purest spinners of the football is at
all time great, right, But somebody lays an egg on
their pro day, on a curated, scripted rehearsed typically in
an indoor facility. And so for my guys that are
high picks, I've had a lot of first rounders come

(26:08):
through here. You know, if they throw at the common,
they throw out the combine. I always tell these guys cattle.
I'm like, hey, by the way, this is not a
big deal. If this is hard for you, trust me.
The NFL is way harder than this. You know, like,
if this is hard for you, like we got you
got big your problems. But on the pro day, we're
there to confirm what what these teams believe. When you
get a first rounder and you got GMS there and

(26:29):
head coaches and ownership there, this is about confirming. And
I think about Sam Donald. Sam Donald pro Day. It
was in sunny La.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
No, it was.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Sideways rain, it was windy, and you had Cleveland n one,
the Giants at two, the Jets it three indies and indoor,
but they were at six. The Bills that seven. You know,
what I mean. It was like, oh no, no, we're
not changing the date. No, we're throwing in the rain.
And so that was a great one because he threw

(27:00):
like it wasn't raining, and it was like it was great.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'm glad I would have ordered rings.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
You know, the pro days more relevant, I think, because
there's there's more mistake.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
You were talking earlier about the situation of players in
and where they are, and if my memory serves you
did or you still work with Trevor Lawrence and he
hasn't changed, but there's been so much change around him
in the exact same spot. Has that led, what you
think to his success?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, I think it's resilience. You know, he's a perfect
example of when he played in middle school, he was
the best middle schooler. When he played in high school,
he was the number one recruit. When he went to college,
he won a national championship as a true freshman. You know,
his down year, I think they lost twice that year.
He hadn't been through anything. And then kind of like
historically had kind of like the worst rookie year ever

(27:46):
for a high pick, you know, the Urban Meyer thing.
Halfway through this but like it was a dumpster fire
and he was playing poor Ley right and there was nobody.
It was like a triple whammy. But the amount of internal,
you know, self generated confidence that the that guy has,
I'm not surprised that at some point at all clicked.

(28:07):
I'm not surprised that they continue to hire different coaches
and bring different people around the are, but it was
kind of an epp. I was not surprised when Bryce
Young got benched came back in and played well. These
guys that have that unwavering self generated confidence, it's a
matter of a time or another way to say that
is there will be a time and a place where
all they have to do is play the best of
their ability and they'll be in every game with a
chance to make a run.

Speaker 7 (28:27):
At the end.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
What do you think about this draft class coming up?
Guys like Garrett and as Meyer, Carson Beck, I mean,
Drew Aller coming off an injury late in the season,
all those guys that have potential in early on in
the season, you're talking about first round potential, but now
there's kind of like this bridge area that you don't
really know where they might go. But they are also
guys that have proven that they can.

Speaker 4 (28:49):
Play at a high level.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Well, I mean, like our first thing we were talking
about how you went seventh round and played forever. I
don't like to look at the internet here. You know,
I just been doing this forever. So I know the
people that are writing all this stuff, I know they
don't know what they're talking about. So I don't know what.
I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
So so I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Really even know what the rankings are right now.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
And I get hired by teams. I just met my reports.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
But uh, I don't look at it like this is
a good draft class. There's four first round picks. This
is a bad draft class. There's only for one and
first rounder because between club Nick Jalen Daniels is a
guy that's probably gonna go later and play for a
long time, and Carson Beck is first, second, third, most

(29:35):
ready to play in the NFL right now. In my opinion,
I think nus nus Myer. You know, he had an
he had an injury his senior year. They've talked about
it. It was an oblique and it was this No, it
was a mistake.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
So if you watch his junior tape, it answers all
the questions that you didn't see a senior year in
terms of velocity and all that stuff. So when you're
talking about like your left oblique is bugging you on
every throw, it's like, well, cool, good luck with that, right,
and he got through it. And so there's just guys that,
like situationally, would have been higher picks if X, Y
and Z happened. Okay, that's their draft drinking. I'm looking

(30:10):
at it like, can this guy play? And then in
two years can this guy start contributing? And then in
four years does this guy like act like a vet
and actually start helping the room. Because in my draft
class oh seven, in which there's an argument to be made,
is the worst in the NFL history. The guy that
outplayed all of us, the guy that played the most
years was undrafted quarterback Matt Moore, not JaMarcus Russell, not me,

(30:33):
not the Heisman winner, Troy Smith, not Brady Quinn. It
was Matt Moore's the guy that got sixteen in or whatever. Right,
So I look at this class and I go, there's
a bunch of vets in this class, and maybe one
or two of them ends up being a really good starter.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
When working with a guy and their tools. Does someone
ever commence with something that is so fundamentally not right
but it's right for them?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean my mind goes to Philip Rivers immediately.
I can't break down on what he does. I don't
know where throwing motion. I don't know how to I
don't know how to like simulate it. Definitely see that
I've got one college guy right now that everyone would

(31:20):
want to change and I but I understand the sequencing
element of it and what and then with his body,
why he's able to really kind of protect some of
these joints and and still create the velocity he has.
And so it's more injury prevention instead of tweaking the
throwing mechanics.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
But we spent a lot of time talking about the movement.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
I believe that the majority of mechanical issues quarterbacks have
stem from a movement that precedes the throw. I think
this game is all about movement. Cast My whole philosophy
has changed over the last eight years. Don't believe anything
I used to believe. I just spent years studying the
body and how it works. And I don't have a
subjective opinion about anything. Everything is based off how the
body works and how movement is created, which is why
all of my clients are inbound right now. I don't

(32:01):
have a pitch deck and so we spend an amount
of time talking about movement, and so that's where the
biggest changes are made. I don't believe these guys are
broken and need to be fixed. But at the same time,
you don't have to be sick to get better.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah, talk about that evolution of the biomechanics right from
the ground up, the hips, all that stuff, And you
talked about a lot from the technology standpoint, being able
to put somebody up on a board, film that and
see how their body functions. And see you talk about
sequencing and how important that is. Where it starts with
the lower half hips generating that power. But everything's on

(32:52):
that platform. But just the advancement in that area from
when we grew up to what it is today and
what you guys are doing, it's crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Quarterback development, I'm just going to say at the NFL level,
so for sure, college and high school quarterback development is
about ten years behind baseball and fifteen behind golf. I'm
doing some things right now with clients and when I
talk to the staff or the GDM or the whatever
or the agent. They say, I've heard that what I'm

(33:25):
doing is brilliant. I've heard the word genius. I've heard
cutting edge, I've heard outside the box, and I'm quick
to cut them off and go, uhh, this is exactly
what they do in baseball, which is way behind it.
This is exactly what they do in golf. These are
not original thoughts, right, but what happened in the quarterback
world is everything's based off of subjectivity.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Again, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Saying an NFL up, so for sure on now, okay,
it's based off of subjectivity. So Cassi and I out
grew up hearing things like have a good base, don't
get too wide, get your hips into it, gets your
tow your target.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Okay, pull that front.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Arm down whatever that was a Bob Johnson to tell me,
keep your el boat up, that front shoulder blocked off.
None of those things mean anything, like those aren't those
aren't like your doctor wouldn't use those terms. Just you know,
like be pretty good and like get a little bit
of exercise like that's not that's not a directed and
so we we we've kind of removed subjectivity from this.
You either did it or you didn't do it. And

(34:23):
so the first phase of working with us is really education,
explaining like you go all the way through catch you
to USC and played on multiple NFL teams to an
incredible career and may still not actually understand the body
as well as my high school guys do. Understand what
the obliques do where they attach, what they're responsible for
right where they attached to the Latin.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
Then now what that happens. So we go through the
whole process.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
We don't even learn that, and it's kind of like
you go to college and be an economics major and
not know how to make money. That's on your four
point no, you have no idea how to make money, right,
And so the advancement, I don't know that it's an advancement.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
It is.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
It is a huge advancement. It's totally different than what
I did. I used to be told to keep my
elbow up and fall through. But it's not an advancement,
it's this was like what they've been doing. And so
when I say, like all my clients are on retainer
for the year. For example, an NBA superstar James Harden,
when he has two or three bad night shooting he's not.
He's not going to stick around after practice and get
some shots up with the coach. He's shooting. Coach is

(35:21):
flying in tonight and they're gonna address this right now,
right And if he rolls his ankle, the trainer on
the team is going to icen stem. His trainer's flying
in to address this. You play with Grady, You get
where I'm going with this. So it's like, why don't quarter?
Why is Tom Brady the only guy that does that?
And so that's what we do for a lot of guys,
is we build that system. And so it is an
advancement based off but it's an advancement by default. Right,

(35:44):
But other sports were what I'm doing still behind.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
We got two final questions. Let's say a really rich
mom has a kid who's pretty good in high school?
Can they just hire you?

Speaker 3 (35:54):
They can hire Jared on my team. He runs Summit
Youth Division. He's amazing. He's actually I played at Tennessee
for four years. No really rich people that take their
planes out here, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
You'll take them then? It really really really rich.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
The kid does doesn't have a liquor and look at
absolutely rip it from water.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
You think if I would have had this type of coaching,
I might have been drafted higher than you back in
the day.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I think if you would have started three, if you
would have been drafted higher than me, I don't know you.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
Would have had it, but I we would.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I would have had you over here with Mike though,
and get that baseball out of your throat on motion,
that's for sure, that right now, a little over and
let you had a lot of lateral.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Trunk flections, so you got to overshow. That's what I
was going to say, lateral.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Trunk flection, which leans the oblique and so that right
leg kicks up in the air.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 8 (36:50):
He says that every show was exactly what he talked
about and knew that oblique was going to get me
at some point. Hey, you remember, I remember at Minnesota
you just ripping a dig. I think it was the
house call too.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
See, OK, just let it, let it, let it go.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
But now I ripped it dig took it downside my Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Are you guys still doing the charity Flag Football Tournament?
We are.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's coming up March twenty first in Yeah, in about
two weeks to en a week's dude, it's the coolest thing.
I've been on the board of a foundation before, and
I've been intimately involved with a couple of foundations for
a long time, and I was blown away that.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
You have a sold out golf tournament.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
And record breaking you know, donations, and then you run
the numbers and how expensive it is to run a
golf tournament. So the margin on it, you know, and
I was always blown away. I'm like, man, that's good,
like thirty five percent margins good, that's crazy. And so
I have the idea of years ago, I'm like, well,
flag football is like the cheapest thing to do. I
wonder if we could start, you know, of like I can,

(37:56):
I know a couple of famous people and starting events.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
So we did it.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
I think this is our fifth year doing it. First
year we did a high school. We had people buy
a team for twenty five grand. The money goes in
the middle all that stuff. Well, I think to date
we've raised over I think it's eight point seven million.
We've worked with over ninety charities. The margin of what
goes actually back to the charities is staggering, doesn't exist,

(38:21):
and it's become a who's who deal. From Aaron Josh Allen,
Jered goff sam Donold San Donald won it last He's
our first guy to win the Celebrity Flag Football Tournament
and Super Bowl in the same year.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Omen uh, Bryce Young, I mean we just a SLEW guy,
Daniel Jones, Mike Vick. We got Johnny Manzel coming this year.
So it's a couple of retired guys and then a
lot of the best players, you know Jordan Love come
into it, and uh, it's really cool. So we sell
the teams, I believe for a quarter million, and none

(38:54):
of us make a pinion on this, and I am
c the event. I always have different people. I've had
Brandon Marshall and see it. I've had Hushminzada mce it.
This year it's uh uh, Desmond Howard and Marcella Swiley.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
You're gonna mc it with me.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Super fun and it gets really competitive. So then what
happened is non quarterbacks were like, I want to come run,
So I think am and ros Saint Brown's been to
every one, maybe one he missed. DK Metcalf was everyone
around last year at PUKA, so we did. We just
it ends up being kind of like a Who's who deal.
It's super competitive. And we do it at a junior

(39:31):
college on the street Sant saddle Back, which is a
brand new, unbelievable facility. And yeah, and it's it's amazing
because we don't have anything like we have all these
between myself and another guy that does what I do,
a team of people you know called three DQB that
they train a lot of quarterbacks. We're both in Orange County,
so there's all these superstar NFL people in Orange County
all the time, but there's no like event in Orange County.

(39:53):
They're just like dudes who live here or rent houses here.
So this is like the NFL community comes to my hometown,
you know, every March and h and this year, tickets
are fifty dollars, which I mean you can't park.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
At an NFL game for less than for fifty bucks.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
And we have vendor village, we have halftime performance, we
have a kid zone run around, punt pass kick contest
going on. We're gonna have a kid's flag event during it,
and it's just up close access. We have VIP tickets available,
like it's it's some VIP capanas being sold. It is
just a day and it's out here in South Orange County, California,

(40:32):
and it's a lot of the biggest names in quarterback.
All the money goes to charity, and it's uh yeah,
it's going to be sold out and buzzing.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
It's super fun.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, Saturday, March twenty first, it is Saddleback College Stadium
in Orange County. That's awesome, Jordan. We always appreciate the time.
You're one of our favorite guests, so we'll let you
get back to your day. I feel like I'm taking
him from his day, like his I mean, he should
be putting the script together right now. Let's run that boot,
all right, get your hips down here.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'm just gonna tell him how a good base get
their elbow up and follow through.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, fall through. Pull that front arm down, pull that
front arm down. Ye, pull it down. Then all right, Georgian,
Thank you, Buddy. Good to see Thanks Bud.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
All right, what do you got over their castle? What's
topic number one? Topic number one? I mean, well, you've
got to talk about this Scott in Combine. I mean
it was the fastest in history that they said defensive
backs averaged four point four to four. Wide receivers average
four point four to four. Running backs average four point
four to five linebackers. This was surprising me. Four point
five to five. Tight ends average four point.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Six y three. Did you see, by the way, Sadigrane
four point three nine? Right?

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Yeah, who does that? A two forty five? I mean
some of these times were just ridiculous. Defensive line four
point eight three, in offense five point one, which you
think offensive linemen sometimes the are five point one. The
onlyquarterback group, I mean, the quarterback group was the only
group that did not have the best time ever, but
it was the second best at four point six. And
I think a lot of that had to do with

(42:13):
your boy from Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Well, we had two guys that flew. So our quarterback
Taylor Green, who was good. He ran a four to
three to six, fastest of any quarterback. We only won
two games six We only won two games, which is
what's crazy. And we had a good offensive line, but
our offense did score a bunch of points.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
But he ran a four to three to six. And
Mike Washington junior, you're running back, he ran a four
three three.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
We had two of the fastest guys because he was
the fastest quarterback, Taylor Green was and Washington was fastest
running back.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Taylor Green, though, also had the highest of any quarterback,
and his broad jump was the furthest. But he also
set records like of all time except when it's time
did not matter in the combine, that's when we win.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Taylor Green jumped a forty three point five vertical forty
three point five.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
That to me, it doesn't mean anything to me because
I know.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
That is so explosive, it's ridiculous. I mean it to
be able to stand there with your feet on the
ground and jump that high, that just means you're just
a different type of athlete.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
When they say the most, I go, wow, that is elite.
But when you give those numbers, I've never measured a vertical, right,
Guys like Kevin, if you're a measure vertical.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Yeah, I mean when I played football, do you know
what your number was?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
That's what I'm saying, Like, come on, Kevin, give us
a number, give us a shot.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Run.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So when they run forties, like you got that right?
Oh man, God, I don't know, my god, but I
understand it.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
Oh No, anything that's probably above thirty seven, I would say,
thirty seven, thirty eight, you're jumping out of the building.
When you get up into the forties, you're just a
different type of athlete. There was a tight end from
Vandy that jumped to forty five forty five inches. I mean,
it's pretty significant, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
But it's almost like when the news stories go, Americans
will forty two billion tons of buffalo wings are in
the Super Bowl, and I'm like, I know that's a
big number, but what does that mean per person? Like
I need stuff broken down.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
I just think Taylor Green is probably one of those
guys that's captivated every GM and everybody in that building
that was watching because of the freakish numbers that he
put up. He said to all time records in almost
all these categories.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
He also has a good arm. He's got a good arm.
He's a good quarterback.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
I wonder for him how much this is going to
improve his draft socket quarterback. And at the same time,
are some teams going to look at him and say,
this guy's not just a quarterback, but he's a pure
athlete as well, and he could help us in different ways,
you know, And that's always the discussion that sometimes takes
place with us. Somebody that has those type of skill

(44:40):
sets that well, if he doesn't work out as a quarterback,
maybe they move him to wide receiver or something like that.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
But I know this kid can play quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I think this will get him drafted. I think he
probably would would have been a free agent and he
get to pick where he goes. And you know, he
probably could have had a couple years in the league
playing scout team. But I think because he's able to
show a fast, how strong, how explosive he is, I
think now he'll get drafted, which is great for him
because he was great at Arkansas for two years. It's
disappointing to make it.

Speaker 5 (45:06):
I still go back to like Anthony Richardson, who was
out of Florida that got drafted based off of not
his productivity in college. He only played one year and
then I don't even know if he played that whole season.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
But he went out.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
There and just yes, athleticism off the Yeah, it was incredible,
and to watch him throw and do all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
He's gonna get traded by the way he did.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Ask He hasn't been traded yet as far as I've seen, No,
as far as right now, no, Yeah, but he did.
They did go yeah, go ahead and look for a trade.
I didn't think he was terrible, he just couldn't stay healthy,
and he was great and then he was awful. And also,
I think the version of the quarterback we're seeing now
is come in, they'll start you immediately.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Then you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Benched, and then you're gonna wait and you're gonna learn,
and then you're gonna come back. And if you're better
the second time, then you're good. Then you're still young
enough to know that there's development to take place. But
these coaches don't have time to wait. So you're gonna
bring in a guy like Daniel Jones to come compete
with you, and they're gonna go with the guy that
they think is gonna give him consistency throughout the year
because they don't have time for the growth model in

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the NFL, because every team is going out there year
and year out and trying to win now or jobs
are on the line. GM's jobs are on the line,
and so they're going to always try to get a
guy in there that can give him the best opportunity now.
And that's the tough part about guys that need time
to develop, which every quarterback when you come in the league.
I don't care how much experience that you've had at

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the college level. It's going to take some adapting and
time on task for you to realize how to be
a professional, how to win games in the NFL, because
it's really difficult. But next play twenty years in college
and he still needed a year, you know, through a pension.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
From twenty six year old rookie. He's like twenty he
will be twenty eight this year. I was like, Wow,
it's getting up there to serious. I think he's up there.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
No, he might not be the USC basketball player twenty six.
You got kick off the team? Oh yeah, what chick
off for?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I just don't think he's been on a lot of teams.
Yea six usual when you see someone that's been on
a whole lot of teams at college. Yeah, there's a
reason they've been on a whole lot of times.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
Oh yeah, you know, some of them are chasing a
little bit of that bag, but most of them are. Look,
you haven't worked out, you're frustrated. I'm gonna go see
if I can play here. See if I can play here,
See if I can play here.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Hate that. I'm going to go over to this.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
You posted a picture throwback to you participating in the combine,
but it was a blank picture.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
That's right. This is a nice little joke. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
And someone asked Grok to verify if that blank photo
was you, and Grok is obviously not Gronk. Grok you
familar with Grok, he's AI oh great, yeah yeah, And
Grok said that's Matt Castle and a legit throwback from
two thousand and five pre draft workout.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Solid pick nobs see that even AI hey ies got me. Dude,
all right, give me one more. I want to talk about.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Texans acquiring running back David Montgomery from the Lions in
the trade. I think it's a great trade for the
Houston Texans. Now, they did give up some capital here.
They give up two draft picks, and they gave up
offensive line and juice scrugs. But that combination between Gibbs
and Montgomery was pretty legit. I'm interested to know why
they made that trade with David Montgomery and why they

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felt two draft picks.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
I don't know exactly where they are. I think they're
the fourth round is the fourth?

Speaker 5 (48:20):
Right?

Speaker 4 (48:20):
At first it was just a fifth, fourth, fourth or seventh.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Here's my theory, they didn't need to go, and they
didn't go as much with Gibbs and Montgomery last year,
two years ago, that was the That was the move.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
He was a rookie.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Last year, Montgomery played, but Gibbs.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Was the guy and he's going to remain the guy.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
And when Gifts wasn't on the field, you were playing
lesser than you were when he was on the field.
So I do think they'll replenish that spot with somebody
who can take twelve carries a game. But they didn't
need a two headed monster there anymore, So I think
that gave them the advantage of trading someone who still
has a little tread on the tire and to a

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team who needed a running back. No doubt, the Texas
will take every running back that was hurt. Are you hurt,
we love to sign.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
We're going to sign you, and then the next person
going to hurt. They had a lot injuries at that position.
David Montgomery can still go, for sure. But I agree
with you because when you look at Gibbs, he's going
to be your featured guy. You just need somebody to
come in and spell him and somebody to hold down
the fort. God forbid something was to happen to him,
because you've always got to have depth at that running
back position, because they get it's the nature of the beast.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
Say in that position, you're gonna get banged up, Kevin
anything on the Patriots minute over there.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
No, I kind of want to retract on something I
said a couple weeks ago. Actually, yes, yes, I've been
thinking about a log a lot. And after they lost
Super Bowl, you know, we were talking about, Hey, do
you feel good about the future.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
And I was pretty down.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Yeah, And I just want to go back and say,
you know what, we got Rabel, we got Drake may,
we got a bright future.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
We're gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
And I can't wait to see what we do next year.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
What do you want to see them do in the draft?

Speaker 6 (49:58):
I'd like to see him get more receiver help. I
don't know what they're going to do with Digs. I
know he's got a couple more years, but it sounds
like he may or may not stick around.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Dix is like that twenty six year old basketball player
I was talking about.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Yeah, like the reason eve been on so many teams, Yeah, yeah,
I don't think it's because the quality of play either,
I agree the line and no line too.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
I think are the number one and number two.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Things can't go wrong with either one, but I think
we need help on both of them. Well you just
said three positions. Yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
We need linebacker.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Oh wait, okay, now drafts in your the first round,
not a player, what position would.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
You go to? Defensive end? Defensive lineman.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
There's a lot of them in this draft too. Boy, yeah,
that would be good. How would you like Rvel Reese?
But there's no way you guys are going to.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
Get the short arm though. You got all the short
arms like that don't mean your thing.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
You just draft the short arm guys exactly.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
We'll call the New England short arms New England short arms.
But you're drafting thirty one too. So yeah, but there's
some depth at defensive end.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
There's a ton of depth in this draft, particularly on
the defense side of the ball.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
I think it'll be a defensive driven draft.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
They've got great depth at the wide receiver position, but
in tier defensive linement and defensive end it's huge.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Yeah. So well that'll do her. Thank you all. We
will see you soon. Who knows when we'll see you again? Yeah,
and we will it's Kevin. Let's kickoff Kevin. That's Brandon Ray.
That's Matt Castle on Bobby Bones. We've had lots to
say goodbye, everybody.

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