August 12, 2026 • 54 mins
Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel begin with a 'first' for Matt at the gas pump! Fmr NFL OL Chris Spencer drops by looking back to being in the same NFL Draft class with Matt. Chris recalls his days growing up in Mississippi and leading to his Draft day. What was the biggest adjustment for Chris while learning to play football at different levels? Chris remembers being on the sidelines for his first NFL game and the moment he knew he belonged. Matt asks about Chris' rookie experience and paying for the rookie meal. Chris looks back over the numerous injuries he suffered while playing.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, just said we got lost? Just saved.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What Becker here and we hope you say because we
got lost said, yeah, we got lost.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Just say.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that heybody, Welcome to the show where just
about sixteen minutes ago, news reporter, about sixteen minutes ago,
we lost all connection with cool air.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It has been really hot today people in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's one hundred and eight inside and one hundred and
eight outside. Our air went out. Man, So we're about
to have a really great interview. And Chris is awesome
because he only complained about it once as a joke.
But I know we were all suffering.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But the sweat dripping down his face during the interview
was all time I saw him kept doing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
He was trying to be he was to be cool
about it. It's such a nice guy, fought through it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Is this your guy? My guy? Yeah, he's such a
good dude.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Our kids have been at school together for like, I
guess ten years or something like that, so I've known
him and I've seen what he's done after is his
NFL career. But to go on, he's a great businessman
and uh, but just fascinating story and then you'll hear him.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's so intelligent and just a really good person.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Smartest lineman I've ever met.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Smartest lineman I've ever Yes, that's probably true, that's probably true.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm out like for him. I mean, you want to
know what. Don't tell Ben that though, Just so don't
tell me. Ben's really smart too. You know they're all
really smart. You gotta be.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, everybody's take it back, everybody's really smart.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, there's some meat heads. I did have a
first today that I have to tell you about. I'm
on my way here, driving over. I have to stop
and get some gas, run in to get a drink,
get a drink, come out, And as I'm coming out,
I'm text messaging Chris the address to this place. Right,
So I jump in the car, take off, boom, take
a left hand turn about getting the turn lane, and
(02:06):
I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, out of
my rearview mirror, I see some guy walking up and
I'm like, oh my gosh, he's walking up the side
and he's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like hey, and I put down my window he goes, hey, Bud,
you took off with the gas pump. No way, dude.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm sitting there and I'm not shitty. My god.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I look down. I've got the gas pump.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The entire like rope there, I mean, the other whole
thing that goes and attaches to the gas is hanging
outside of my car. He's like, hey, this is the
first time I've seen it. Seen it a few times.
I was like, well, thanks for being so kind. I
have to get out of my car. At the red
light and the turn signal, I go take the gas
pump with the hose out that's on the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I see these two girls behind me. They're laughing there.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Off, which deservedly so, which even makes me more embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I wrap this hose up and I'm so frazzled.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I put it in the backseat of the car and
I was.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Like, I gotta return this thing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I guess, so you turn walk in and of course
by that time at the circle k they've got ten
deep and I walk in with the gas pump and
the hose into the clerk that's sitting there, and I go, sir,
first time this has ever happened. But I took off
with the gas pump in your hose and it ripped
off of your dnail And he doesn't even know how
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to respond. And I was like, do you want me
to put it somewhere? It's right there, it's gas pump
number one. You can see like the thing's totally disconnected.
He's like, WHOA, all right, just put it on top
of the top of the unit over there. And I
was like, man, and I mean the faces and the
looks that I got in that circle k and I
was like, guy, I'm sorry, Like I don't know what
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to tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It was awful. Jump in my car, come over here.
I could have been more embarrassed. Let alone, just like,
how the hell does that happen? As all? Why were
you distracted? Because something?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Obviously you were distracted by something happening in your phone.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I know I had to go to one other place
to get something, but I was just walking out and
it dawned on me I hadn't sent.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Chris the address yet.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
So I walked out and I had pumped the gas
and I left it in when I go in.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I just jumped in the.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Car, revved it up and finished the text and took off, didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Hear anything nothing. Oh see, what a nice guy to say.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh it's not the first time I've seen it, but
uh yeah that was my that's my first.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing that with us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Wow, I've done that, but not have you. Oh yeah,
once I was on sleeping pills.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh I wasn't. I was. It was in the middle
of the day, wide away, like ready to rock and roll.
That's the I wish I was on sleeping pills. I
wish I had an excuse for being an idiot. Chris Spencer.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That was his draft profile abad here six three three
oh nine, played at Old Miss. He ended going number
twenty six to Seattle, which we talk about. He played
ten years in the NFL, Seahawks, Bears, Titans. He played
eighty games with Seattle Wow, and he retired in twenty fourteen.
So we're gonna throw over to the intro now with
Chris Spencer. We have Chris Spencer here with US former
(05:13):
NFL offensive lineman, first round pick out of Ole Miss
and a ten year NFL veteran with the Seahawks, Bears,
and Titans. He is now the founder and CEO of
Team Q using aim performance intelligence to better understand what
makes athletes and teams work.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Chris, good to see you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
How do you two know? How do you cancel know
each other?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Kids? Actually? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
School?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I mean, are you guys have kids together? How did
that work? You know would be weird. You know, you know,
two dads with a baby orders the same grade and
they played ballball and basketball together. And so first time
I met, first time I saw Matt, you know, it's like,
you know, we go all the way back to two
thousand and five draft class and oh is that right? Yeah,
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we're in the same draft, same draft class, and so
I kind of I know all of the guys who
played in my draft class, and you didn't know who
I was. And to be honest, nobody knew who I
was when I was coming out. I will tell you
the truth. I did because the lofa Tatupu, Oh my
boy Loafa. Yeah, you know, he was the same guy.
He always talked about you in the locker room. So
I felt like I knew you, which is funny. I
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was watching a a somebody sent me a clip of
Aaron Rodgers the other day, going through the two thousand
and five draft class. He was just rattling them off,
rattling them off, and then he gets to, oh, the
twenty six pig overall. Uh he's like, oh, I can
see his face and he's like, last name starting with
an S, had a good career. I'm gonna needs to
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help with this one, you know, the one gun darned man.
Who is your coaching on this baby? Cut Cliff?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Which, what'd you think to me? I hear a quarterback
guy here, offensive, offensive guy? Like what do you think
him as a coach? I head coach.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm blue probably one of the best man I know.
I mean, he is a phenomenal human being. And uh,
he and I still have a great relationship to this day.
But office guru quarterback whisper, you know, for the for
the the pocket type quarterback. You know, he was really
good at being able to help guys kind of visualize
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the see offenses. We go up to a line of
scrimmage and Eli started rapping off like, hey, they got
this coming, and I'm just like, you know, I'm still young,
and I'm I didn't see that, you know. And then
I started sending the meetings quarterback and he's with cut
Cliff and Eli, and I just listening to how he
communicated with Eli and how Eli saw it. I was
kind of like, Okay, now I get it. I get it.
So he was he was a phenomenal coach. How much?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
One more question about that? Did you play the seven
overtime gaming at Arkansas? No?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That was a year before I got there.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh man, I'd love to finally had something on somebody.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I think he hesitated when he was introducing you on
the Old Miss because he is, oh miss. You know,
he's die hard Arkansas. When you say die hard, like
puts himself through misery on a weekly basis. Anytime Arkansas
comes up, he has that face, that lost puppy face, like.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We just aren't good. We just aren't We don't have it.
I don't even know why we're playing.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know it. It is really mind boggling to me
that Arkansas is not as good as they are, especially
in this NIO, with the resources and resources they have
up there. Man like Walmart, all of the corporations. I'm like,
h we could keep going.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Jerry Jones, why'd you end up at on Thisss?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I ended up o missing my mom. Well. When I
was coming out of high school, I think I was
the number two lineman in the country coming out of
high school and could have went wherever I wanted to go.
But my mom has just had her second open brain surgery,
and I ended up recruiting got really complicated, you know,
started getting threats burned down house. I'm in Mississippi and
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I'm thinking about going to Old mess and you know
people that are like, no, we want you to go
to Mississippi State. And so I ended up committing to
Tennessee and committing to I tell people this story all
the time. Phil Farmer was probably one of the best
recruits I ever met because I didn't go there to
commit and I committed, and then as I started thinking
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about it, I'm like, this is actually a good idea
because of all the heat that I'm getting back in
Mississippi and so uh. But my last visit was o
miss and Cutcliffe was like furious that I committed to Tennessee.
And so I get there on her official visit and
he didn't even talk to me the whole time I
was there. He talked, He just he grabbed my mom
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and she was glued to his hip. Now that's a
good recruiter. Go after he's glued to her hip, and
I feel it was kind of like the same way.
It was like, you know, everything was my mom and
then he'll pull me aside. But cut was like, no, no, no,
I'm mom. And by the time that visit was over
and she was like, that's the man I want you
to play for, Like all right, but I wanted to
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stay close to home so I can so she could
see me play because she couldn't travel too far, even
the seven eight hour car ride that was just too
much for.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
What was it like growing up in Mississippi because you
were homegrown there, right, yeah, And what were the dynamics
like in the family growing up?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, I I'm wanner five granddad twenty twenty some kids,
my granddad fourteen kids. My family is just is huge,
and so you know, in Mississippi you would have to
have a family family reunion every year just so you
so you don't date your cousin. Yeah, that's right, which
almost happened to me. One time I was at the mall,
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saw this cute girl, went over, got her number, and
you know, that weekend I went to church and she's like,
you know where you go to church? And I was
like oh and Benonia. She's like, oh, I got a
lot of family in ben Tonia. And I was just
like oh no, no, no, oh no. And find out
that we actually was cousins. Get out of here. Well,
I'm glad we figured out. I got your number just
(10:47):
because we want to be close to me because cousins. Yeah,
and argisall though went and stopped us. I mean I
didn't want to go ahead. What what what town in
Mississippi from no small town called Benonia, Mississippi. But then
I went over and grew up mostly my life in Flora, Mississippi,
right next over to Benonia. But we didn't have high school,
so I would have to travel over to Madison, Mississippi.
(11:10):
They played football at Madison Central High School, So so
it kind of kind of like from all over I
guess in that little area right next to Jackson. How
big was that school? We had I think about twenty
eight hundred kids. My graduating class was like five hundred
some kids. We had five five guys off that that
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you know, my between my junior junior, senior year, we
have five guys from that team go and play in
the NFL. Paris Harrison played d NAT.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
In the NFL and one you know, Madison Central five
guys in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, Doug Buckles played guard. He was you know, down
in Tampa for a little bit. Uh Mike Espie was
in Washington for a little bit receiver, and then we
had Steven Gonzowski was my high school kicker and crazy
who you played and so uh so, yeah, we had
a good squad and one state championship my junior year there,
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and you know we were we were pretty pretty dynamic.
We it was go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
No, I was gonna say, when did you start realizing
that you were did like growing up or was it
high school or no.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Man, to be honest with you, I was. I was
so focused because my mom had me when she was
you know, she was pregnant me with me at fifteen,
had me when she was sixteen. So we pretty much
grew up together. And so my whole goal was, like,
you know, I needed to work and help my mom
with stuff, you know, you know, and mechanic work, framing houses.
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You know, grew up farming, you know, we had cotton
and soyd beans and so seven years old, I'm out
on a tractor, you know, and so that's all I
knew and football wasn't a thing because we didn't have
time to play football. You know, you're you're up Sunday,
you in church and then you back at the fields
and so h. But it wasn't until my junior year
in high school. I was pulling concrete in Meridian in Mississippi,
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and it was hot, kind of like the studio right now,
but we was pouring some apartment complex, no shade trees
and anything like that. And so I'm scooping this this
concrete out of a bucket of a tractor, climbing the ladder,
pouring the stairs and almost fainted going up because it
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was so hot. And then I went side in the truck,
turned ac on to cool off a little bit, and
I really I was starting to think. I was like, man,
this can't be my life. I got to find something
else better to do with my life than to work.
Is hard. And then it just dawned on me. It's like, well,
you alreadys have scholarship offers Old miss missisiss State, LSU,
all these schools already offers you. And I wasn't even
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thinking about that. And then I was just kind of
like a light bulb, like, oh, this is my way out,
and so then I started to go work out and train,
still not thinking I'm gonna do it. Was more of
like I need to get out of here, get to
a college where I can get a good degree and
meet a lot of people so I can at least
have an opportunity to get a job. And so that
was my AHA moment to like say all right, I'm
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gonna go here, but still not thinking I'm gonna do
with the football.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Whenever you get to Old Miss, obviously the competition, even
within your own team, that levels up how long until
you then felt like you could actually compete within the
team for US five.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, for me, I was probably out the the third
week of like working out in training a freshman year,
a freshman year because I was uh but I was
a seven hundred pound squad leaving high school. I was
a strong kid and we didn't run in high school really,
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and so the first day I got to Old Miss,
my first set of five was five hundred pounds for
at a ten and we lifted heavy all this and
then we had to go out and run one tens
and so I get out there the first day and
first couple of I'm like out in front of everybody.
I'm like, oh yeah, I got these guys. I got
these guys about ripped four man that piano jumped on
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my back and I was over in the trash can
just early. And it took me about two weeks to
like kind of get get my mind right to like
how do I actually like go out here and run
and compete. I knew how to do it in the
weight room, and then we kind of get to a
place we started practicing and I felt like, all right,
I'm strong enough, you know, I got it. But it
was it was, you know, everything was still so vanilla,
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and so I thought I was ready.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
What about the speed of the game.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Speed of the game. It was the again, first couple
of weeks I settled in. After that, I was like, okay,
I got it. But it wasn't until the you know,
I red shirted. It wasn't until the first game when
I really realized the speed of SEC football. And I
was thankful that I read shirted it because the speed
of the game then went from like, oh, everything it's
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vanilla and cool, Okay, I got it. I feel like
I can play right now. And then when I saw that,
I'm like, yeah, I'm not ready. Is different.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It's so different, speeds different. But what about the exes
and those? Did the that always come naturally for you? Yeah?
Hick it up quickly or is it something that you
had to adapt and continuously work on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah? No, X and those always came because I you know,
and it's taken me a long time to share this.
I was a dyslexic kid growing up, and so my
brain saw like mechanics and all that very easily. And
ex's and o's I saw that very clearly. And I
had a really good offensive line coach. John Latina was
phenomenal offensive line coach, great teacher, and so he made
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it so simple, kind of remind me a lot of
Mike Munchak, who you know, coach from the Titans. He
was just, you know, nothing was complicated, and you can
get all these complicated defenses, but we all you always
had the right rules. And I always knew that's what
I learned. If I had my rules, I can figure
it all out. And so so the ex is old
exs is and the oldest part of it for me
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wasn't complicated. It was it was like really getting used
to game speed was the thing that was like, all right,
that's what I gotta that's what I gotta, I gotta
work on.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I grew up in a really small town in Arkansas,
and so growing up, I never went anywhere until I
got to be like eighteen or nineteen or twenty, and
then I never got on a plane till later. And
then I go to like New York and just crazy
because from a small town in arkansall, you don't ever
see that, right, But still, even as an adult, when
I go to Seattle, even now, I'm like, this is great,
it's even crazier. Like the whole the vibe of Seattle
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is that it is totally different, especially coming from a
place like where we come from. Yeah, you go right
to Seattle that I love it, But that's that's just
it's strange if you've never been introduced to that kind
of atmosphere and that kind of city.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, first of all, I went through a whole draft
process and never heard from Seattle. And then when I
got drafted by Seattle, I really had to pull up
my phone a map and figure out what the hell
of Seattle. And and so I'm sitting there looking on
the map and I realized, well, my, my wife was
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from Vancouver, Canada. Oh yeah, right there. And but I
never even when I flew Vancouver, I never looked and
see like what was next to Vancouver. And so getting
to Seattle and the first shock of walking off the
plane and in the summertime and you can breathe and cool,
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brisk air, it was just kind of like that. It
was like, my nosees never felt so like clear in
my life. And then you started going around the city
and and it just I'm like, man, this is not
how I grew up. But then all of a sudden
you realize, you know, you start talking to people and
you realize it just like, man, oh my gosh, these
people are really cool. It's a kind of city, really
kind people, a little bit hippie dippy. Yeah, that's why
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it's kind of yeah, and it's it's kind in a
way of not like the South. You know, in the South,
there's no stranger. Everybody's a friend there. You know, you're
not you're you're they're gonna talk to you, but it
takes a while to kind of get into their friend
group because they are like, you know, very very tight knit.
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But once you're in the friend group, unbelievable. But again,
walk around the city, people are kind. I mean, the
place is just cool. And then to be in a
place where you can you can drive two and a
half hours outside and you be in a desert wine
country and terrain changes and all that, I've just I
was amazed. You know, I drive you know, two hours
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of Mississippi and everything still looks. Go back to draft day.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Obviously you're highly touted coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You think that you might go in the first round.
You didn't even talk to Seattle. But what was that
day like? And then when they announced your name.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Because you come from humble beginnings, you're put yourself in
this position through your own hard work, but it had
to be something pretty unique and amazing for you and
your family to experience.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Where were you what happened? Yeah? Well, first of all,
that it almost didn't happen because I was They just
fired David Cutcliffe hired ed oars Run. I just had
a call with him telling him that I'm coming back
to school and Archie calls me. Archie Manny calls me
and he's like, hey, big guy here, they got a
good grade on you. And I was a junior and
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so I was like, yeah, I said, but it's a center.
I mean, those center's been drafted in the first round.
I'm not I'm not gonna take that chance right now.
And so he's like, before you make the decision, to
make some phone calls for you. And so he called around,
talked to some gms, and called me back the next
day and he was like, big guy, it's it's a
legit grade. You should think about it. And I was
just like, if I was your son, what would you
tell me to do? And he's like, I'll tell you
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have to go.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
That's a great question. That's why you asked him. That's
a great question.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And he when he said that, I was just kind
of like, all right, here's a man who is old
missed through and through. I got another year her, and
he's gonna pull himself out of what he would love
to see me back at old miss and do what's
best for me. That's no decision. My decision made. And
so I called my mom and said, hey, I'm I'm
going to the NFL. And so and so fast forward
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to you know, draft day, right before that, how the
conversation goes coach oh oh, coach, hey, hey, hey, hey,
happy to have you back, coming back, Yeah, come back,
all right, we gonna have me recruit. Yeah, I got it. Cool,
talk to you soon, say a great coach. Uh. And
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then when I called him back and said, hey, coach,
change my mind going to the NFL, He's like, he's like, well, boy,
ain't nobody gonna draft you. You'll sit heer, You'll be
lucky to get drafted in fifth I was just like,
I said, all right, coach, and I said, unfortunate. I'm
still gonna make the decisions to go. And then uh uh.
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And so then we I get to you know, uh,
you know, we got to do the workouts and stuff
at the school and then and then a totally different
tune from him. He's like, hey, you know, I was
just trying to get your back, like, hey, I get it, coach,
I get it. But then we fast forward the draft day.
You know, they were calling me, asked me if I
would come out to New York and all that, and
I'm like, dude, no, And I'm in the same draft
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as Aaron Rodgers, so me and Aaron would have been
sitting there together and so I'm like, no, I'm not
doing that. And so no cameras on anything, just me
and my mom and my my brother and sisters Catherine
at the time, we just sit at the house and
and the whole time I thought I was going to go,
it was it was between then. The one place I
(22:47):
knew I had a chance to go on was Cincinnati
Paul Alexander O line coach. They're a phenomena coach. And
he took me and showed me the draft board, and
on the draft board it was you know, I don't
know if he was supposed to do that, but it was,
you know, uh, meet number one on the offense and
David Pollock on defense, and he and he just said,
he's like, all right, you know, we're a defensive team.
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So if David Pollack sitting there, they're gonna draft him.
But if he's not there, we're taking you. Seventeen coming around,
Jason Paulack is still sitting there, they take him, and
I'm like, well, I don't know where I'm going now.
And then Seattle trays back, and my phone rings and
it was my my younger brother pulling the prank on me. Yeah,
(23:36):
he calls and yeah, it's Chris Spencer. This is SO
and so from this team, And I was just like,
oh man, I'm like, oh, this is it. This is it.
And so we're like I'm like, turn the TV. Turn
the TV. That's cold blooded. And then he started laughing.
I'm just like, you gotta be kidding. And so so
all of a sudden, now you got Aaron goes, Jason
(23:59):
Cammell goes, and I'm like, all right, I'm probably not
gonna be a first rounder. So then I was thinking
maybe a chance that England because I went to New
England there with b O. He's like, hey, are you
sitting here a disposition? We're gonna take you. And I'm like,
all right, cool. So Cincinnati and New England was only
two teams that I really like, thought all right, there's
a chance. But when Seattle moved back, I was kind
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of like, it's kind of interesting. And then I started
thinking about my training time. Well, Tom Levat was the
offensive line coach at Seattle for a long time under
Mike Hongram, and he was my old line coach. He
had retired and he was working with Tom Condon dot
at IMG and I was already learning the Seattle offense.
So my whole time not three months down there, that's
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all we did was worked on the Seattle offense, and
I didn't even put two and two together. And then
when they made that move back and I started thinking,
I'm like, maybe I'm going to Seattle, but that'll be
weird because I haven't talked to them. And then I
started thinking about Tom and all the calls. I knew
all the calls already. Everything. He was just like, I
was like, maybe it's a spot in the phone ring
and it was, you know, Mike Honger, And I'm just like,
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this is a goat right here. Call him.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It wasn't your brother, it wasn't his brother.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So no, because I took his phone. I took his phone,
put it in my pockets, like you're you're off limits now.
And so so anyway, it was. It was a it
was awesome day and we you know, I get drafted
and then you know, they playing a party. It was like,
if I get drafted, we're going to have the party.
If not, it's off. So luckily enough, it you know,
ended up happening, and drove down to Jackson and had
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a big party. It was a it was a fun night.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Same question asked about high school of college. Now you're
in Seattle, how long until you felt like you can
do this or does it take a minute?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It took a minute because you go from college playbook
to NFL playbook, and and in the West Coast, in
the West Coast system, a lot was on the center plate.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It wasn't just like getting everybody on the same page.
It wasn't just about like seeing the guy in front
of you or the linebackers. It was like you had
to be able to see safeties. You had to see
safety rotations. You had to make calls. You had to
change the calls based off when the safety dropped down.
You had to know what the running back. Who's the
running back responsibility for in certain past protection? You need
to know like hey I need to let house back no,
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because his job was like keeping his eyes down field routes, culmination,
what's going on house about? Hey, we may need to
get out of this play And so it was a
lot of learning. And I remember going to training camp
and I had a really good training camp, and you know,
Mike calls me into the office and I'm thinking, like
all right, about to be the starter here, and he
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looked at me. He's like he's that kid who had
a hell of a training camp. But here's a problem.
I don't believe in starting rookie centers. It's a lot
on the plate. I don't believe starting Rickey center. So
we're gonna stay with the old guy, Robbie, and you
just sit and keep learning. I was just like, just
defeat it until same kind of experience at Ole Miss
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until we played Jacksonville the first game with John Henderson
and strou big difference, stag dude, and we had Walter
Jones on the left side, Steve Hutchinson, Robert to a back,
Chris Gray and Sean Locklear a tackle and two Hall
of famers over there. Man, I saw Henderson come off
first play and he hit hutch and hutch always punched
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from underneath, and he grabbed hutch arms and he started
lifting hutch off the ground. I was just like, oh man,
I'm glad I'm over here. But back kind of about
you know, middle of the season, because you know, you know,
you injuries started happening, and I start getting some playing time,
a little playing time here and there, and and then
your first game you get in and adrenaline is going
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and you get to hit someone and then all of
a sudden you realize, like, okay, I blow.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But speeding physically aside from playbook speeding physically, did you
take him minute?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Huge difference because when you go to college, you know,
especially being a you know, you know, stop I stopped
squading at eight hundred pounds. In college, everybody is strong.
Everybody's physical. And we had some big, strong, physical defensive tackles,
Marcus Tubs from Texas. I mean we probably the strongest
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punch and hands that I ever experienced without my whole
career was from Tubs. And so being able to practice
against those guys day in and day out kind of
got me caught up to it. But your linebacker over
here on the backside, he's just as fast as the
guy on the front side. And so so everybody across
the board was talented and not And the thing that
really changes at the at the NFL that it was
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not your athletic ability, your you know, the speed of
the game changes because of your recognition, being able to
recognize where to go when to be his loaf of tutupo.
He wasn't fast, No, it wasn't fast at all. But
his he's like Luke Keickley when it comes to diagnosing plays,
and so he was always getting get into the spot
before you can get out your stands because he knew
what was coming. And so that was the biggest thing
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that you had to learn, is like, you know, how
do I you know, what do I see? How do
I make a quick adjustment because I know where he's going,
I know where we're going, so I know he knows
where where these players are going to be. So how
do I now translate that into speed of the game.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Your rookie year, what was that like being the rookie
with those veteran guys you mentioned Walter Jones. I know
Steve hudgetson he can be grumpy, grumpy, old school vet.
But what were some of your things that you had
to do that your requirements? You know, they had these
guys all the time, these young offensive lines, especially if
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you're rookie.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You got to pick up food. You gotta do all
that stuff, donuts, hid donuts, whatever it might be. Go
through that and how that all worked out well. Again,
being in the locker room with all these veteran guys,
it was like especially as a as a first rounder,
where the leader of the group was Robbie Tobak, and
when I walked through the door, which you know, I
respect because I knew where I still with him. His
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first first words with me, he was like, he's like, Rookie,
don't ask me any questions. I don't know. I'm not
going to help you. You're here to take my job,
so don't even talk to me. Oh wow, like that.
And I was like, all right, cool, but I respect
it because I knew you know, you know, and there
was no no like games playing and so but I
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learned so much from him, so much. He was so
so smart, cerebral guy. And and but anyway, so we
you know, it's like be seen not heard. And that
was the first thing they all down the line would
say that. And so he's like, all right, rook we
need you to go get Chrisma Kreme. Now Seattle were
in Seattle, and there was no you know, it's the
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I think it was like the first Christmas Kream in
Seattle was like thirty minutes away in Seattle traffic. I
will have to drive down early in the morning to
go get these doughnuts. But the deal was that they
had to be hot when you got when they got back.
Oh now, I love this stuff and so I go
get I go down, get these doughnuts and come back.
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Hutch opened the open the first box and I'm I'm
holding these up stack of doughnuts in my hand and
he's like, open the first box, grabbed. He's like these
are cold, take them and throw him in his trash
and then it's like, you need to go get more,
and I'm like, dude, we got forty minutes before meetings.
I don't care. So I had to, like, I tell
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all the way back to Rent and I think it
was to go get more doughnuts to come back still
cold because it's traffic trying to get back the Seattle.
And then I thought I was gonna get smart. So
the night before I went down and got him and
I put my oven on warm. That's awesome, and I
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put him. I get him out and the boxes are
nice and warm, walk up to the facility. Hutch, he
was always the first one that like just because he
wants to just dig in to me. Opens the box.
He's like, did you get these last night? I'm like,
they come on, man killer. I had to go back.
I got to go drive all the way back down
the Rent and get more doing nuts. So man it was.
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It was a It was fun because it was kind
of like they kind of got rid of they they're
real hazing, you know, and so they just started realizing
that can hit you in the pocket book and make
you do you know, rundwmb errands and so o line dinner.
Oh how that how that work out for you? Yeah? Yeah,
about twenty twenty four, twenty five on you too? Oh
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yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I know we're not gonna say hundred years, you
say thousand thousand years.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember we get there
because Hutch had just signed with Minnesota and he had
left one to Minnesota because we didn't do my old
line dinner uh that year because we ended up going
to the Super Bowl, and so we just did it
right when the start off training camp, and so Hutch
was already in Minnesota and so we get to we
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get there, the table set up and they ordered the
first shots. They ordered Louidy thirteenth for everybody. Of course,
I'll never forget one hundred and ninety two dollars a shot,
three people drinking, and I was just sitting there just like,
what is happening? Thirty minutes in I'm like, I'm getting
mad at the waiter because he comes in. It's like,
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all right, we want some down perry On, you want
this on that, you know you want this eight hundred
dollar bottle wine. It's like, oh yeah, you know what,
we need you to set up a plate for Hutch.
R Ip Hutch. They brought a sign, put on a
chair and ordered them eight hundred dollars bottle of wine.
Poured them a glass of wine. Sit in this like,
no one touches this, No one touched this. And I'm
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sitting there like, oh man, everything that got ordered, Hutch
got his, he got his beasts up it and and
the night kept going on. I kept the waiter. I
finally got up and like heamed them up in the back.
It was like, don't you offer them anything else. Just
let them order what they're going to order. Don't just
don't come in and just say, oh, you guys need
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to try this and try that. Just let them figure
out what they're gonna order and leave it be.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So did you remember later on how terrible that was
for you to not do that too?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, My rookies, When when I became the
leader of the group, you know, we would do a
whole line dinner. I told the guys, hey, look, you
want to go get some wine and things and bring
it in and not have to pay for this kind
of wine, you can do that. And so I think
the rookie dinner after that was like four grand, four
or five grand. Oh, So you definitely took care of
your boy. Yeah. I made sure. I was like, you know,
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because I just kept thinking like, man, that's college tuition
for a kid. I'm going to find five chity for
my kids. I could do this with that. But I
get it. I mean I was you know, that was
a little there was some things there because I was
the first rounder and they were just like, you know,
oh he got it, you can come on. And because
they and it was kind of around the time where
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all the hazing stuff really stopped, so I was like, well,
we can't really do what we want to do to you.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Since they can't do stuff to your butter, you're gonna
do stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, I feel you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I brought the paddle out, yeah, and you came in.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah. I did get taped up and they put Tiger
bamb all over me and oh damn in the cot.
So that was that was a treat Yeah, that's that's typical, Hazel.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You're too big and strong for that to be happening
at any point in your life.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Let me tell you, when you have sixteen other guys
just as strong as you, you know you got to
you know, I had to go back to the Bible.
I gotta submit, do.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You just I remember in like seventh grade, I would
get my head stuck in the toilet and there was
a point where I would go, well, I'm really not
going to stop this, So I can fight it and
exhaust myself and possibly hurt myself, or I can just
let it happen and get it over with.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Is that what that felt like? No?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, how's your body now?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's actually been doing pretty good until probably about six
months ago. Uh. You know, playing old line, you get
neck issues and back issues and things like that. And
I got two herdid eaty disks right now my neck.
I actually just met with the surgeon thinking about having
a neck surgery, met with a guy to get a
who's the top guy here in Nashville to do disc replacement.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Didn't like the the conversation around it because I'm like,
this is like cervical I'm like it's too close. You know,
I need somebody who's gonna have a little bit softer
conversation with me about this, and so I just had
a second opinion on that, and so you so we're
going to try a couple of things before I had
to have surgery. But for the most part about it,
it's doing pretty good. I mean its ch it's more
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just like sleeping where just kind of like getting numb
tingling and stuff down the arms at night wake me up.
And so so I'm operating off about three hours worth
of sleep right now because I was up at like
two o'clock in the morning looking at my phone because
my hands are non said what you look at I'll
say that other than your sweating a little bit, well, yeah,
I was. I was like, you got to look around,
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like we got a sweat rag somewhere. What's the worst
injury you had while you played? Who I've had so
many worst probably was back herniation L four L five herniation.
I got a bulging disc. I think it was like
my fourth year in the league, going into training camp,
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got it up and Durham then coming down got another
one coming down a little bit uh funniest and funniest
story about this is I heard my back in practice
training campage just about the start and it was in
Right and it was in OTAs at the end of
OTA's and so Mike Homany comes into the training room
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and land on the table. He's like, he's like, you know,
you know old days, this is what we would do.
You know, we hurt yourself. You know, you know that
big slid out there. You just go out there and
you just keep popping in, popping in whatever. It's hurt.
It just like snaps back in the place. He's like, so,
I think you should go out and try that. I think.
I'm like, I'm like, come on, coach. It's like he's like, so,
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I'm just serious, and he starts and walks away. What
was he like, by the way, because I heard he
was amazing but very demanding, very demanding, but he was
like your granddad, like you didn't want to disappoint him,
didn't want to disappoint him. But he he had that
good balance where he's gonna treat everybody on the team
from house to back and shutting Alexander watch on the
exact same. But he demanded everything to be right. You know,
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if something was wrong with started over. You know, I
remember the first time me and Seneca Wallace who he
was in a game, you know, early in the preseason
something like that, and fumble a snap. He chewed me
up and down the sideline, come back right before we
go back on the field, he comes over with those
arms around me and he's like, you know, I love you. Right,
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He's like, don't farm again. Good coaching boy, But but
he was like that that that guy that I knew
how to push you but also knew how to love
on you. But he's gonna get he's gonna get the
best out of it. Love love, love my home.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I'm an embracer of AI because I feel like it
can make a lot of things better in my life.
I feel like it can make medicine better. I feel
like there are a lot of ways adding AI gets
a bad rat because of the potential terrible things that
can do to the earth in general. But in reality, man,
there's so much optimism within me about how AI can
better all of us when we can learn faster. So
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but this is what you do now? So what is
Team q uh?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Team Q is a psychometric company, and it's easy way
to explain it is a h AI layered Okay, so
you're using it inside of it. Yeah, so we have
you know, the thing about AI where people don't AI
has been around since you know, early seventies.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It's now it's an in every agura, It's been in
every algorithm forever, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
And so we just kind of the large language language
models just got into a place where it's just it's
it's kind of taking it off the top. And so
we've kind of started a process early on within the
AI and my whole system was ran off AI when
I first started it. But when you start dealing with humans,
you know, certain nuances would become really difficult to really
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predict with with certain AI models. And so what we
did was went back and started realizing early on that
in this AI game, the thing that's gonna win out
is these small language models where you can get specific
things done versus trying to be everything general. And so
we started building out language models from a small language
models standpoint to to then figure out at some point
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when to start really layering AI.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Intention like what is your to help athletes do what?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, so my my intention was about athletes that started out,
you know, was trying to help athletes figure out who
they are, what skills are transferable, and so we have
for a long time, sport has kind of really used
us in a sense, and we've we've learned these things,
but no one's really put language around how does the
things that you learned in sports translate to other things?
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And so that's when we get into these identity issues.
That's when we get into like, you know, I, you know,
I'm too scared to go try this because no language around. Hey,
what is your what's your thinking style? You know, how
do you communicate with people? Do you understand what your
communication style is? You know, we just you know, if
you're a direct communicator, no one has really taught you, like, hey,
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I still need to be able to communicate with someone
who is not a direct communicator in a way that
it lands. And so my whole goal was trying to
figure out just because of the way I grew up
and I learned, I realized that, man, I missed out
on a lot of resources because I didn't I didn't,
you know, know, how to advocate for myself. And so
I had to go back and learn all those things.
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And in the process, you started looking at all the
different assessments that are out there, and there's a lot
of bias and them, especially for athletes. And so when
I started looking at it through that lens, I was like,
all right, how do we how do we really shift
and change this where we can really get to know
the athletes. So, you know, so I don't go in
here and sit down with a coach and like pretend
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and then he thinks this coach thinks that, oh he
got it together, but all along I'm just like pretending,
and then I end up hurting myself along the way
because now that guy that coach can't communicate with me,
or that coach sees me as a kid that's like
maybe stand offish. I'm stand offish, but he sees it
as all he's a jerk, he's you know, high maintenance.
And so my whole goal was to be able to
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create a process using language, because sixty percent of our
language comes from my subconscious and so there's things that
you can't change, you can't fake, and so there's no
no way to change that. The function words that come
from your self conscious. The only two words you can
really focus on is I and we. But other than that,
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hard to change it.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
So is it a quicker understanding then of I use
the word understanding, and that it's hard for two people
to know each other. So the quicker they know each other,
the more you can actually have whatever the unified goal
is exactly, and it takes a long time to get
to know. Again, it's communication style, so it's to help
understand faster so you can achieve what the goal is.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
So it's the whole purpose is to to in three
different buckets. It's for the athlete to understand who they
are so they know how to communicate with the person
next to them. The athlete to also know how other
styles you know, communicate so then they can receive the
communication the right way. The coach to be able to
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understand this athlete faster because that coach already knows what
kind of system, you know, what their demaind are for
the athlete, which then you know it takes time to
build that if you don't know how that that person communicates,
think or or process information, what kind of composure they have,
you don't when you have to learn that by just watching,
It's takes time. The goal is to help that speed
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up that process and then that once you speed up
their process. Knowing athletes in general, you get on the
backside of it, and now it's the development piece of
it is now it's the retention piece of it. Now
I have a better chance of retaining this athlete because
I've leaned into who they are and I've met them
at that place versus a lot of combatants. Now I'm
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getting out of here. I want to leave. I don't
want to be here because it's God don't understand me.
And so the whole goal is for teams to be
able to recruit the right players that are that fit
their culture, develop that player within their culture, and then
hopefully take the money out of it, be able to
retain this athlete because now I have a relationship with
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this athlete beyond just x's and o's.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
The value, though, also is for whether it's a college
or an organization in the NFL, is they're putting a
lot of equity in kids. And not only is it
the communication factor, I believe, but it's also just being
able to say there's some red flags here, like do
we want to make this investment in somebody? Because you
I remember when we first started talking about this, you'd
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go all the way back and you'd look at their socials,
you look at how they communicate online and what impact
that might have down the road, or how they might
respond to somebody that gives them criticism or anything like that.
So there's a huge value component to the larger scale
part of this.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well, when we came out, it was easy to replace
a guy because we was getting paid. It was a
scholarship and we get a new guy. Now, with the economics,
you're not going to replace a guy. So I'm gonna
bring a guy in out of the transfer portal. That
guy's gonna play and I got to figure how do
I manage this guy? And so if you know, you know, again,
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this doesn't remove the fact that you're going to take
talent you and you're gonna bring in talent. The goal is,
once I have this talent, how do I have this
talent thrive in this environment? Now, if I know, if
I have a you know, sixty percent, maybe seventy percent
of my team is thriving. But I'm able to use
a system that can show me the rest of that
and know exactly who I need to lean into. Because again,
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coaches don't have the time like they had when we
was coming up to spend to be with you and
talk to you, because now they are out on the road,
you know, raising money to pay for this, you know,
and so now the relationship piece again on top of
the generation that we're in where they don't have these
kind of conversations where they can look you and eye
and talk to you. And you know, the now you
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the coach has to figure out, how do I get
to know this player when I'm an old school guy
and I've done it this way my whole my whole life.
And you know, one of the guys who've done well,
you know, you look across and there's going to be
a handful of coaches who understand the psychology and how
to and and has the ability to continue to adapt.
Nick Saban he was he kept adapting. He knew who
he can he can jump, and he knew he couldn't.
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Pete Carroll was probably the ultimate guy who knew how to,
you know, from a psychology standpoint, work with players. Uh.
And so you're gonna have a handful of those type
of coaches who can do that. But as a whole
we're missing on a lot man, which is why you know,
the the transfer port is full of kids, you know,
and it's not just kids who wants to leave. It's
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also kids that are like, yeah, not the right fit
needs you to go in the transfer portal, We're gonna
bring somebody else in and so and I and I
relate that back to you don't just all of a
sudden just lose your athletic ability. And so when you
look at data, you know, when our data, when we
look on the back end of data, it's the analytics
of how much information can a person absorb. And if that,
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if they're already at a threshold needs some of the
things that we're able to see, then now they're not
gonna look like an athlete that they look like in
high school or college to pro because they're at that threshole.
And so if we can start integrating all these different
tools to help them lord their threshold, now you get
the athletes you thought you were getting, you know, from
a from a skill position, but then now, how how
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do I manage it from a chemistry? Especially now these
kids getting this kind of money. It was already hard
going to the NFL where these guys are making millions
of dollars and you're like, oh, I'm just kind of
all right, man, I'm gonna go by this pickup truck
over here because I can't afford this Bentley. You know.
But now you're doing it in the college space. You know,
at eighteen kids coming in, I mean making that kind
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of money, there's a lot of jealousy and things that
kind of happened. So you really have to know your team.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Final question because I'm about diving heage truck? How do
you do that? How do you how do you use
your platform? Like how do you get team Q?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Could you do a profile on me?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Because like yeah, like how do you how do teams hire?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So from it from a team SAX. So we have
we have a couple models we are we just partner
with on three because we can do this. We've created
AI interviewer where we can do this with you know,
fourteen year oldki is now. So we were doing it
through channel partners. We're also a B two C model
while we're working directly with organizations. So when you're looking
at the athletic department, they'll purchase the system and then
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do it across all in their sports.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
The schools come to you, guys, buy it from you, guys.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's Arkansas hasn't no, no, no, you never you know,
we do. We do mad libs. We give players mad
libs and go fill this out and then if it
makes the guy eats a funny egg. Okay, all right,
he made the team.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
He made the team.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Hey man, you guys got a good coaching staff there
right now though, Okay, new coaching staff is good coaches.
I don't know Silverfield.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, I'm It's my favorite thing in my whole life
other than my family. I mean, I'm not gonna do it.
I've given him so much money. I can't stand the
athletic director he has, he has. He has killed me.
I'm a midfish booster I'll probably give For the past
bunch of years, he has blown me off, ignored me,
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not enough because exactly, hey, no more's coming.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Hey you stroke me, attend me, and they you come
sit in the box with me.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
He stroke him nothing, there's no stroking going on. He
got mad because the last coaching staff, like, I'm a
fan more than of anything else. Yeah, And I was like,
this ain't working and I have to be a fan.
And then they got super offended that I probably had
the biggest platform that's a fan of that team, and
they got offended that I'm not mister jolly go lucky
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all the time, like I'm a fan. We're losing. We've
lost this many years in a row with this, So yeah, yeah,
it ain't good. So I let me ask you a question. Yeah,
but he will put me on the quick.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well. No, it's just like as a as a as
a contributor to those type of programs and one who understands.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
ROI, you know terrible, I know, no return of investment?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
What what you know? What are what are you know,
donors doing to push the team to make sure that
they're not just asking for money and not have things
in place to make sure that hey, we know what
kind of guy we get in there.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Well, we don't know right now because Silverfield's new for us.
I don't know Ryan. I like Jared Jared Allen, his
friend who I know a little bit knows him, and
it hit me up and he was like, best dude.
I got a couple of friends that know him, and
I message him Happy Birthday and that's about it. And
so but everybody says it's a good dude, I don't
even know if we're going to have twenty two players
like that.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Oh gosh, here we go, I said, Bluman doom Man's
sec when you've a violent here, be down like we've
been beat down for so many years.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But yeah, I hope nobody expects a miracle. We'd like
doing four games, that wouldn't That would be okay this year?
And how sad is that that we're going four games?
Is okay? I know?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yes, more than that? Yeah, you win more than that. Maybe.
I mean for you what you're over and under in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Me not jumping off of buildings. That's the over under, just.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Moved to that. Yeah, a lot of people would miss you. Bobby,
a lot of people. We would put him through the profiling,
but you guys through the profile probably because you you
have a You know, that's the beauty of what we
do is that we don't we don't have to sit
down and take an assessment. So you have all this content.
I can take and fee your content. You know, you're
doing podcasts and things like that, you know, feeding through
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my system. Man, I can give you a report on you.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Ever go to the one bitterness sadness you ever go
to the airport and it's the thing where it's like
hit and it shows all the faces, like how clean
the airport is? Mine?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Is that red?
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Sad one? They're very far one.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
So you would have been a great office alignment. Just grumpy.
I don't want to go to practice.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
So I want to go. I want to be there
before anyone.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
All right, thank you so much for coming in. Absolutely, man,
it's been awesome.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
The really wild part was like two hours ago air
condition died and I thought, should we still do this?
We're going to move into my house and you know,
Castle said, he said, Chris can take the heat.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Oh, you know, he can take the heat. He's doing
the little adversity just as long as you guys like
at least, like you know, when you wipe something the
sweat that's.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
You're blessing on camera. Look great, look great, Chris, Thanks man,
I really appreciate it. There is Chris Pitzer.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, we got lots.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Okay, that's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Thank you all for listening and watching and being here
every single week. What we can't wait for is actual football.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Oh what's coming?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
The dog days of us just having to go I
don't know pick your favorite ice cream flavored list them
in order a top seven.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Have you seen any movies this week?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Those are over?
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But I did watch the movie the other day, which one?
I mean the one from Netflix? The the flight was
the Flight Fish the series finished, whole series.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, me too. I didn't know all that.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I had no idea, but back then there was no technology.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Sorry, and I want to I don't want to spoil anything,
and no spoil I still got two episodes.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah do you Yeah? Oh yeah, that's you're in the
nitty gritty.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah, it's just I just learned a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
How about the Scottish really good police work.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Good people, good people, yeah, yead people people who.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
It's a tele show on Netflix, The pan Am Bombing
A Flight one O Three's a six part series.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Shout out Scotland you guys rock.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Really want to go there someday. Let it be Yeah, leather.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Be let la D Yeah, letters letter D. Thank you guys.
That's Matt Castle. That's kick Off Kevin. That's Brandon Ray.
I'm a sweat and a sweater very Bobby Bones. We
will see you guys next week.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, just said we got lost? Just saved.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
What Becker here and we hope you say because we
got lost said, yeah, we got lost.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Just say.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Here's Bobby that heybody, Welcome to the show where just
about sixteen minutes ago, news reporter, about sixteen minutes ago,
we lost all connection with cool air.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
It has been really hot today people in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It's one hundred and eight inside and one hundred and
eight outside. Our air went out. Man, So we're about
to have a really great interview. And Chris is awesome
because he only complained about it once as a joke.
But I know we were all suffering.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But the sweat dripping down his face during the interview
was all time I saw him kept doing.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
He was trying to be he was to be cool
about it. It's such a nice guy, fought through it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Is this your guy? My guy? Yeah, he's such a
good dude.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Our kids have been at school together for like, I
guess ten years or something like that, so I've known
him and I've seen what he's done after is his
NFL career. But to go on, he's a great businessman
and uh, but just fascinating story and then you'll hear him.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's so intelligent and just a really good person.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Smartest lineman I've ever met.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Smartest lineman I've ever Yes, that's probably true, that's probably true.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I'm out like for him. I mean, you want to
know what. Don't tell Ben that though, Just so don't
tell me. Ben's really smart too. You know they're all
really smart. You gotta be.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, everybody's take it back, everybody's really smart.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, there's some meat heads. I did have a
first today that I have to tell you about. I'm
on my way here, driving over. I have to stop
and get some gas, run in to get a drink,
get a drink, come out, And as I'm coming out,
I'm text messaging Chris the address to this place. Right,
So I jump in the car, take off, boom, take
a left hand turn about getting the turn lane, and
(02:06):
I'm sitting there and all of a sudden, out of
my rearview mirror, I see some guy walking up and
I'm like, oh my gosh, he's walking up the side
and he's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like hey, and I put down my window he goes, hey, Bud,
you took off with the gas pump. No way, dude.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm sitting there and I'm not shitty. My god.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I look down. I've got the gas pump.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
The entire like rope there, I mean, the other whole
thing that goes and attaches to the gas is hanging
outside of my car. He's like, hey, this is the
first time I've seen it. Seen it a few times.
I was like, well, thanks for being so kind. I
have to get out of my car. At the red
light and the turn signal, I go take the gas
pump with the hose out that's on the ground.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I see these two girls behind me. They're laughing there.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Off, which deservedly so, which even makes me more embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I wrap this hose up and I'm so frazzled.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I put it in the backseat of the car and
I was.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Like, I gotta return this thing.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
I guess, so you turn walk in and of course
by that time at the circle k they've got ten
deep and I walk in with the gas pump and
the hose into the clerk that's sitting there, and I go, sir,
first time this has ever happened. But I took off
with the gas pump in your hose and it ripped
off of your dnail And he doesn't even know how
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to respond. And I was like, do you want me
to put it somewhere? It's right there, it's gas pump
number one. You can see like the thing's totally disconnected.
He's like, WHOA, all right, just put it on top
of the top of the unit over there. And I
was like, man, and I mean the faces and the
looks that I got in that circle k and I
was like, guy, I'm sorry, Like I don't know what
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to tell you.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
It was awful. Jump in my car, come over here.
I could have been more embarrassed. Let alone, just like,
how the hell does that happen? As all? Why were
you distracted? Because something?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Obviously you were distracted by something happening in your phone.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I know I had to go to one other place
to get something, but I was just walking out and
it dawned on me I hadn't sent.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Chris the address yet.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
So I walked out and I had pumped the gas
and I left it in when I go in.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I just jumped in the.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Car, revved it up and finished the text and took off, didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Hear anything nothing. Oh see, what a nice guy to say.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh it's not the first time I've seen it, but
uh yeah that was my that's my first.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing that with us.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, I mean unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Wow, I've done that, but not have you. Oh yeah,
once I was on sleeping pills.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh I wasn't. I was. It was in the middle
of the day, wide away, like ready to rock and roll.
That's the I wish I was on sleeping pills. I
wish I had an excuse for being an idiot. Chris Spencer.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
That was his draft profile abad here six three three
oh nine, played at Old Miss. He ended going number
twenty six to Seattle, which we talk about. He played
ten years in the NFL, Seahawks, Bears, Titans. He played
eighty games with Seattle Wow, and he retired in twenty fourteen.
So we're gonna throw over to the intro now with
Chris Spencer. We have Chris Spencer here with US former
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NFL offensive lineman, first round pick out of Ole Miss
and a ten year NFL veteran with the Seahawks, Bears,
and Titans. He is now the founder and CEO of
Team Q using aim performance intelligence to better understand what
makes athletes and teams work.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Chris, good to see you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
How do you two know? How do you cancel know
each other?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Kids? Actually? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
School?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I mean, are you guys have kids together? How did
that work? You know would be weird. You know, you know,
two dads with a baby orders the same grade and
they played ballball and basketball together. And so first time
I met, first time I saw Matt, you know, it's like,
you know, we go all the way back to two
thousand and five draft class and oh is that right? Yeah,
(05:56):
we're in the same draft, same draft class, and so
I kind of I know all of the guys who
played in my draft class, and you didn't know who
I was. And to be honest, nobody knew who I
was when I was coming out. I will tell you
the truth. I did because the lofa Tatupu, Oh my
boy Loafa. Yeah, you know, he was the same guy.
He always talked about you in the locker room. So
I felt like I knew you, which is funny. I
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was watching a a somebody sent me a clip of
Aaron Rodgers the other day, going through the two thousand
and five draft class. He was just rattling them off,
rattling them off, and then he gets to, oh, the
twenty six pig overall. Uh he's like, oh, I can
see his face and he's like, last name starting with
an S, had a good career. I'm gonna needs to
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help with this one, you know, the one gun darned man.
Who is your coaching on this baby? Cut Cliff?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Which, what'd you think to me? I hear a quarterback
guy here, offensive, offensive guy? Like what do you think
him as a coach? I head coach.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm blue probably one of the best man I know.
I mean, he is a phenomenal human being. And uh,
he and I still have a great relationship to this day.
But office guru quarterback whisper, you know, for the for
the the pocket type quarterback. You know, he was really
good at being able to help guys kind of visualize
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the see offenses. We go up to a line of
scrimmage and Eli started rapping off like, hey, they got
this coming, and I'm just like, you know, I'm still young,
and I'm I didn't see that, you know. And then
I started sending the meetings quarterback and he's with cut
Cliff and Eli, and I just listening to how he
communicated with Eli and how Eli saw it. I was
kind of like, Okay, now I get it. I get it.
So he was he was a phenomenal coach. How much?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
One more question about that? Did you play the seven
overtime gaming at Arkansas? No?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That was a year before I got there.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Oh man, I'd love to finally had something on somebody.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I think he hesitated when he was introducing you on
the Old Miss because he is, oh miss. You know,
he's die hard Arkansas. When you say die hard, like
puts himself through misery on a weekly basis. Anytime Arkansas
comes up, he has that face, that lost puppy face, like.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We just aren't good. We just aren't We don't have it.
I don't even know why we're playing.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know it. It is really mind boggling to me
that Arkansas is not as good as they are, especially
in this NIO, with the resources and resources they have
up there. Man like Walmart, all of the corporations. I'm like,
h we could keep going.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Jerry Jones, why'd you end up at on Thisss?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I ended up o missing my mom. Well. When I
was coming out of high school, I think I was
the number two lineman in the country coming out of
high school and could have went wherever I wanted to go.
But my mom has just had her second open brain surgery,
and I ended up recruiting got really complicated, you know,
started getting threats burned down house. I'm in Mississippi and
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I'm thinking about going to Old mess and you know
people that are like, no, we want you to go
to Mississippi State. And so I ended up committing to
Tennessee and committing to I tell people this story all
the time. Phil Farmer was probably one of the best
recruits I ever met because I didn't go there to
commit and I committed, and then as I started thinking
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about it, I'm like, this is actually a good idea
because of all the heat that I'm getting back in
Mississippi and so uh. But my last visit was o
miss and Cutcliffe was like furious that I committed to Tennessee.
And so I get there on her official visit and
he didn't even talk to me the whole time I
was there. He talked, He just he grabbed my mom
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and she was glued to his hip. Now that's a
good recruiter. Go after he's glued to her hip, and
I feel it was kind of like the same way.
It was like, you know, everything was my mom and
then he'll pull me aside. But cut was like, no, no, no,
I'm mom. And by the time that visit was over
and she was like, that's the man I want you
to play for, Like all right, but I wanted to
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stay close to home so I can so she could
see me play because she couldn't travel too far, even
the seven eight hour car ride that was just too
much for.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
What was it like growing up in Mississippi because you
were homegrown there, right, yeah, And what were the dynamics
like in the family growing up?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, I I'm wanner five granddad twenty twenty some kids,
my granddad fourteen kids. My family is just is huge,
and so you know, in Mississippi you would have to
have a family family reunion every year just so you
so you don't date your cousin. Yeah, that's right, which
almost happened to me. One time I was at the mall,
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saw this cute girl, went over, got her number, and
you know, that weekend I went to church and she's like,
you know where you go to church? And I was
like oh and Benonia. She's like, oh, I got a
lot of family in ben Tonia. And I was just
like oh no, no, no, oh no. And find out
that we actually was cousins. Get out of here. Well,
I'm glad we figured out. I got your number just
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because we want to be close to me because cousins. Yeah,
and argisall though went and stopped us. I mean I
didn't want to go ahead. What what what town in
Mississippi from no small town called Benonia, Mississippi. But then
I went over and grew up mostly my life in Flora, Mississippi,
right next over to Benonia. But we didn't have high school,
so I would have to travel over to Madison, Mississippi.
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They played football at Madison Central High School, So so
it kind of kind of like from all over I
guess in that little area right next to Jackson. How
big was that school? We had I think about twenty
eight hundred kids. My graduating class was like five hundred
some kids. We had five five guys off that that
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you know, my between my junior junior, senior year, we
have five guys from that team go and play in
the NFL. Paris Harrison played d NAT.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
In the NFL and one you know, Madison Central five
guys in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, Doug Buckles played guard. He was you know, down
in Tampa for a little bit. Uh Mike Espie was
in Washington for a little bit receiver, and then we
had Steven Gonzowski was my high school kicker and crazy
who you played and so uh so, yeah, we had
a good squad and one state championship my junior year there,
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and you know we were we were pretty pretty dynamic.
We it was go ahead.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
No, I was gonna say, when did you start realizing
that you were did like growing up or was it
high school or no.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Man, to be honest with you, I was. I was
so focused because my mom had me when she was
you know, she was pregnant me with me at fifteen,
had me when she was sixteen. So we pretty much
grew up together. And so my whole goal was, like,
you know, I needed to work and help my mom
with stuff, you know, you know, and mechanic work, framing houses.
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You know, grew up farming, you know, we had cotton
and soyd beans and so seven years old, I'm out
on a tractor, you know, and so that's all I
knew and football wasn't a thing because we didn't have
time to play football. You know, you're you're up Sunday,
you in church and then you back at the fields
and so h. But it wasn't until my junior year
in high school. I was pulling concrete in Meridian in Mississippi,
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and it was hot, kind of like the studio right now,
but we was pouring some apartment complex, no shade trees
and anything like that. And so I'm scooping this this
concrete out of a bucket of a tractor, climbing the ladder,
pouring the stairs and almost fainted going up because it
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was so hot. And then I went side in the truck,
turned ac on to cool off a little bit, and
I really I was starting to think. I was like, man,
this can't be my life. I got to find something
else better to do with my life than to work.
Is hard. And then it just dawned on me. It's like, well,
you alreadys have scholarship offers Old miss missisiss State, LSU,
all these schools already offers you. And I wasn't even
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thinking about that. And then I was just kind of
like a light bulb, like, oh, this is my way out,
and so then I started to go work out and train,
still not thinking I'm gonna do it. Was more of
like I need to get out of here, get to
a college where I can get a good degree and
meet a lot of people so I can at least
have an opportunity to get a job. And so that
was my AHA moment to like say all right, I'm
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gonna go here, but still not thinking I'm gonna do
with the football.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Whenever you get to Old Miss, obviously the competition, even
within your own team, that levels up how long until
you then felt like you could actually compete within the
team for US five.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Well, for me, I was probably out the the third
week of like working out in training a freshman year,
a freshman year because I was uh but I was
a seven hundred pound squad leaving high school. I was
a strong kid and we didn't run in high school really,
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and so the first day I got to Old Miss,
my first set of five was five hundred pounds for
at a ten and we lifted heavy all this and
then we had to go out and run one tens
and so I get out there the first day and
first couple of I'm like out in front of everybody.
I'm like, oh yeah, I got these guys. I got
these guys about ripped four man that piano jumped on
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my back and I was over in the trash can
just early. And it took me about two weeks to
like kind of get get my mind right to like
how do I actually like go out here and run
and compete. I knew how to do it in the
weight room, and then we kind of get to a
place we started practicing and I felt like, all right,
I'm strong enough, you know, I got it. But it
was it was, you know, everything was still so vanilla,
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and so I thought I was ready.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
What about the speed of the game.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Speed of the game. It was the again, first couple
of weeks I settled in. After that, I was like, okay,
I got it. But it wasn't until the you know,
I red shirted. It wasn't until the first game when
I really realized the speed of SEC football. And I
was thankful that I read shirted it because the speed
of the game then went from like, oh, everything it's
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vanilla and cool, Okay, I got it. I feel like
I can play right now. And then when I saw that,
I'm like, yeah, I'm not ready. Is different.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It's so different, speeds different. But what about the exes
and those? Did the that always come naturally for you? Yeah?
Hick it up quickly or is it something that you
had to adapt and continuously work on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah? No, X and those always came because I you know,
and it's taken me a long time to share this.
I was a dyslexic kid growing up, and so my
brain saw like mechanics and all that very easily. And
ex's and o's I saw that very clearly. And I
had a really good offensive line coach. John Latina was
phenomenal offensive line coach, great teacher, and so he made
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it so simple, kind of remind me a lot of
Mike Munchak, who you know, coach from the Titans. He
was just, you know, nothing was complicated, and you can
get all these complicated defenses, but we all you always
had the right rules. And I always knew that's what
I learned. If I had my rules, I can figure
it all out. And so so the ex is old
exs is and the oldest part of it for me
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wasn't complicated. It was it was like really getting used
to game speed was the thing that was like, all right,
that's what I gotta that's what I gotta, I gotta
work on.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I grew up in a really small town in Arkansas,
and so growing up, I never went anywhere until I
got to be like eighteen or nineteen or twenty, and
then I never got on a plane till later. And
then I go to like New York and just crazy
because from a small town in arkansall, you don't ever
see that, right, But still, even as an adult, when
I go to Seattle, even now, I'm like, this is great,
it's even crazier. Like the whole the vibe of Seattle
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is that it is totally different, especially coming from a
place like where we come from. Yeah, you go right
to Seattle that I love it, But that's that's just
it's strange if you've never been introduced to that kind
of atmosphere and that kind of city.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, first of all, I went through a whole draft
process and never heard from Seattle. And then when I
got drafted by Seattle, I really had to pull up
my phone a map and figure out what the hell
of Seattle. And and so I'm sitting there looking on
the map and I realized, well, my, my wife was
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from Vancouver, Canada. Oh yeah, right there. And but I
never even when I flew Vancouver, I never looked and
see like what was next to Vancouver. And so getting
to Seattle and the first shock of walking off the
plane and in the summertime and you can breathe and cool,
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brisk air, it was just kind of like that. It
was like, my nosees never felt so like clear in
my life. And then you started going around the city
and and it just I'm like, man, this is not
how I grew up. But then all of a sudden
you realize, you know, you start talking to people and
you realize it just like, man, oh my gosh, these
people are really cool. It's a kind of city, really
kind people, a little bit hippie dippy. Yeah, that's why
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it's kind of yeah, and it's it's kind in a
way of not like the South. You know, in the South,
there's no stranger. Everybody's a friend there. You know, you're
not you're you're they're gonna talk to you, but it
takes a while to kind of get into their friend
group because they are like, you know, very very tight knit.
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But once you're in the friend group, unbelievable. But again,
walk around the city, people are kind. I mean, the
place is just cool. And then to be in a
place where you can you can drive two and a
half hours outside and you be in a desert wine
country and terrain changes and all that, I've just I
was amazed. You know, I drive you know, two hours
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of Mississippi and everything still looks. Go back to draft day.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Obviously you're highly touted coming out.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
You think that you might go in the first round.
You didn't even talk to Seattle. But what was that
day like? And then when they announced your name.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Because you come from humble beginnings, you're put yourself in
this position through your own hard work, but it had
to be something pretty unique and amazing for you and
your family to experience.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Where were you what happened? Yeah? Well, first of all,
that it almost didn't happen because I was They just
fired David Cutcliffe hired ed oars Run. I just had
a call with him telling him that I'm coming back
to school and Archie calls me. Archie Manny calls me
and he's like, hey, big guy here, they got a
good grade on you. And I was a junior and
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so I was like, yeah, I said, but it's a center.
I mean, those center's been drafted in the first round.
I'm not I'm not gonna take that chance right now.
And so he's like, before you make the decision, to
make some phone calls for you. And so he called around,
talked to some gms, and called me back the next
day and he was like, big guy, it's it's a
legit grade. You should think about it. And I was
just like, if I was your son, what would you
tell me to do? And he's like, I'll tell you
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have to go.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
That's a great question. That's why you asked him. That's
a great question.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
And he when he said that, I was just kind
of like, all right, here's a man who is old
missed through and through. I got another year her, and
he's gonna pull himself out of what he would love
to see me back at old miss and do what's
best for me. That's no decision. My decision made. And
so I called my mom and said, hey, I'm I'm
going to the NFL. And so and so fast forward
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to you know, draft day, right before that, how the
conversation goes coach oh oh, coach, hey, hey, hey, hey,
happy to have you back, coming back, Yeah, come back,
all right, we gonna have me recruit. Yeah, I got it. Cool,
talk to you soon, say a great coach. Uh. And
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then when I called him back and said, hey, coach,
change my mind going to the NFL, He's like, he's like, well, boy,
ain't nobody gonna draft you. You'll sit heer, You'll be
lucky to get drafted in fifth I was just like,
I said, all right, coach, and I said, unfortunate. I'm
still gonna make the decisions to go. And then uh uh.
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And so then we I get to you know, uh,
you know, we got to do the workouts and stuff
at the school and then and then a totally different
tune from him. He's like, hey, you know, I was
just trying to get your back, like, hey, I get it, coach,
I get it. But then we fast forward the draft day.
You know, they were calling me, asked me if I
would come out to New York and all that, and
I'm like, dude, no, And I'm in the same draft
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as Aaron Rodgers, so me and Aaron would have been
sitting there together and so I'm like, no, I'm not
doing that. And so no cameras on anything, just me
and my mom and my my brother and sisters Catherine
at the time, we just sit at the house and
and the whole time I thought I was going to go,
it was it was between then. The one place I
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knew I had a chance to go on was Cincinnati
Paul Alexander O line coach. They're a phenomena coach. And
he took me and showed me the draft board, and
on the draft board it was you know, I don't
know if he was supposed to do that, but it was,
you know, uh, meet number one on the offense and
David Pollock on defense, and he and he just said,
he's like, all right, you know, we're a defensive team.
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So if David Pollack sitting there, they're gonna draft him.
But if he's not there, we're taking you. Seventeen coming around,
Jason Paulack is still sitting there, they take him, and
I'm like, well, I don't know where I'm going now.
And then Seattle trays back, and my phone rings and
it was my my younger brother pulling the prank on me. Yeah,
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he calls and yeah, it's Chris Spencer. This is SO
and so from this team, And I was just like,
oh man, I'm like, oh, this is it. This is it.
And so we're like I'm like, turn the TV. Turn
the TV. That's cold blooded. And then he started laughing.
I'm just like, you gotta be kidding. And so so
all of a sudden, now you got Aaron goes, Jason
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Cammell goes, and I'm like, all right, I'm probably not
gonna be a first rounder. So then I was thinking
maybe a chance that England because I went to New
England there with b O. He's like, hey, are you
sitting here a disposition? We're gonna take you. And I'm like,
all right, cool. So Cincinnati and New England was only
two teams that I really like, thought all right, there's
a chance. But when Seattle moved back, I was kind
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of like, it's kind of interesting. And then I started
thinking about my training time. Well, Tom Levat was the
offensive line coach at Seattle for a long time under
Mike Hongram, and he was my old line coach. He
had retired and he was working with Tom Condon dot
at IMG and I was already learning the Seattle offense.
So my whole time not three months down there, that's
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all we did was worked on the Seattle offense, and
I didn't even put two and two together. And then
when they made that move back and I started thinking,
I'm like, maybe I'm going to Seattle, but that'll be
weird because I haven't talked to them. And then I
started thinking about Tom and all the calls. I knew
all the calls already. Everything. He was just like, I
was like, maybe it's a spot in the phone ring
and it was, you know, Mike Honger, And I'm just like,
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this is a goat right here. Call him.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
It wasn't your brother, it wasn't his brother.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
So no, because I took his phone. I took his phone,
put it in my pockets, like you're you're off limits now.
And so so anyway, it was. It was a it
was awesome day and we you know, I get drafted
and then you know, they playing a party. It was like,
if I get drafted, we're going to have the party.
If not, it's off. So luckily enough, it you know,
ended up happening, and drove down to Jackson and had
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a big party. It was a it was a fun night.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Same question asked about high school of college. Now you're
in Seattle, how long until you felt like you can
do this or does it take a minute?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It took a minute because you go from college playbook
to NFL playbook, and and in the West Coast, in
the West Coast system, a lot was on the center plate.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
It wasn't just like getting everybody on the same page.
It wasn't just about like seeing the guy in front
of you or the linebackers. It was like you had
to be able to see safeties. You had to see
safety rotations. You had to make calls. You had to
change the calls based off when the safety dropped down.
You had to know what the running back. Who's the
running back responsibility for in certain past protection? You need
to know like hey I need to let house back no,
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because his job was like keeping his eyes down field routes, culmination,
what's going on house about? Hey, we may need to
get out of this play And so it was a
lot of learning. And I remember going to training camp
and I had a really good training camp, and you know,
Mike calls me into the office and I'm thinking, like
all right, about to be the starter here, and he
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looked at me. He's like he's that kid who had
a hell of a training camp. But here's a problem.
I don't believe in starting rookie centers. It's a lot
on the plate. I don't believe starting Rickey center. So
we're gonna stay with the old guy, Robbie, and you
just sit and keep learning. I was just like, just
defeat it until same kind of experience at Ole Miss
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until we played Jacksonville the first game with John Henderson
and strou big difference, stag dude, and we had Walter
Jones on the left side, Steve Hutchinson, Robert to a back,
Chris Gray and Sean Locklear a tackle and two Hall
of famers over there. Man, I saw Henderson come off
first play and he hit hutch and hutch always punched
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from underneath, and he grabbed hutch arms and he started
lifting hutch off the ground. I was just like, oh man,
I'm glad I'm over here. But back kind of about
you know, middle of the season, because you know, you know,
you injuries started happening, and I start getting some playing time,
a little playing time here and there, and and then
your first game you get in and adrenaline is going
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and you get to hit someone and then all of
a sudden you realize, like, okay, I blow.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
But speeding physically aside from playbook speeding physically, did you
take him minute?
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Huge difference because when you go to college, you know,
especially being a you know, you know, stop I stopped
squading at eight hundred pounds. In college, everybody is strong.
Everybody's physical. And we had some big, strong, physical defensive tackles,
Marcus Tubs from Texas. I mean we probably the strongest
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punch and hands that I ever experienced without my whole
career was from Tubs. And so being able to practice
against those guys day in and day out kind of
got me caught up to it. But your linebacker over
here on the backside, he's just as fast as the
guy on the front side. And so so everybody across
the board was talented and not And the thing that
really changes at the at the NFL that it was
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not your athletic ability, your you know, the speed of
the game changes because of your recognition, being able to
recognize where to go when to be his loaf of tutupo.
He wasn't fast, No, it wasn't fast at all. But
his he's like Luke Keickley when it comes to diagnosing plays,
and so he was always getting get into the spot
before you can get out your stands because he knew
what was coming. And so that was the biggest thing
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that you had to learn, is like, you know, how
do I you know, what do I see? How do
I make a quick adjustment because I know where he's going,
I know where we're going, so I know he knows
where where these players are going to be. So how
do I now translate that into speed of the game.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Your rookie year, what was that like being the rookie
with those veteran guys you mentioned Walter Jones. I know
Steve hudgetson he can be grumpy, grumpy, old school vet.
But what were some of your things that you had
to do that your requirements? You know, they had these
guys all the time, these young offensive lines, especially if
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you're rookie.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You got to pick up food. You gotta do all
that stuff, donuts, hid donuts, whatever it might be. Go
through that and how that all worked out well. Again,
being in the locker room with all these veteran guys,
it was like especially as a as a first rounder,
where the leader of the group was Robbie Tobak, and
when I walked through the door, which you know, I
respect because I knew where I still with him. His
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first first words with me, he was like, he's like, Rookie,
don't ask me any questions. I don't know. I'm not
going to help you. You're here to take my job,
so don't even talk to me. Oh wow, like that.
And I was like, all right, cool, but I respect
it because I knew you know, you know, and there
was no no like games playing and so but I
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learned so much from him, so much. He was so
so smart, cerebral guy. And and but anyway, so we
you know, it's like be seen not heard. And that
was the first thing they all down the line would
say that. And so he's like, all right, rook we
need you to go get Chrisma Kreme. Now Seattle were
in Seattle, and there was no you know, it's the
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I think it was like the first Christmas Kream in
Seattle was like thirty minutes away in Seattle traffic. I
will have to drive down early in the morning to
go get these doughnuts. But the deal was that they
had to be hot when you got when they got back.
Oh now, I love this stuff and so I go
get I go down, get these doughnuts and come back.
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Hutch opened the open the first box and I'm I'm
holding these up stack of doughnuts in my hand and
he's like, open the first box, grabbed. He's like these
are cold, take them and throw him in his trash
and then it's like, you need to go get more,
and I'm like, dude, we got forty minutes before meetings.
I don't care. So I had to, like, I tell
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all the way back to Rent and I think it
was to go get more doughnuts to come back still
cold because it's traffic trying to get back the Seattle.
And then I thought I was gonna get smart. So
the night before I went down and got him and
I put my oven on warm. That's awesome, and I
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put him. I get him out and the boxes are
nice and warm, walk up to the facility. Hutch, he
was always the first one that like just because he
wants to just dig in to me. Opens the box.
He's like, did you get these last night? I'm like,
they come on, man killer. I had to go back.
I got to go drive all the way back down
the Rent and get more doing nuts. So man it was.
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It was a It was fun because it was kind
of like they kind of got rid of they they're
real hazing, you know, and so they just started realizing
that can hit you in the pocket book and make
you do you know, rundwmb errands and so o line dinner.
Oh how that how that work out for you? Yeah? Yeah,
about twenty twenty four, twenty five on you too? Oh
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yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I know we're not gonna say hundred years, you
say thousand thousand years.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember we get there
because Hutch had just signed with Minnesota and he had
left one to Minnesota because we didn't do my old
line dinner uh that year because we ended up going
to the Super Bowl, and so we just did it
right when the start off training camp, and so Hutch
was already in Minnesota and so we get to we
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get there, the table set up and they ordered the
first shots. They ordered Louidy thirteenth for everybody. Of course,
I'll never forget one hundred and ninety two dollars a shot,
three people drinking, and I was just sitting there just like,
what is happening? Thirty minutes in I'm like, I'm getting
mad at the waiter because he comes in. It's like,
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all right, we want some down perry On, you want
this on that, you know you want this eight hundred
dollar bottle wine. It's like, oh yeah, you know what,
we need you to set up a plate for Hutch.
R Ip Hutch. They brought a sign, put on a
chair and ordered them eight hundred dollars bottle of wine.
Poured them a glass of wine. Sit in this like,
no one touches this, No one touched this. And I'm
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sitting there like, oh man, everything that got ordered, Hutch
got his, he got his beasts up it and and
the night kept going on. I kept the waiter. I
finally got up and like heamed them up in the back.
It was like, don't you offer them anything else. Just
let them order what they're going to order. Don't just
don't come in and just say, oh, you guys need
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to try this and try that. Just let them figure
out what they're gonna order and leave it be.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
So did you remember later on how terrible that was
for you to not do that too?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, My rookies, When when I became the
leader of the group, you know, we would do a
whole line dinner. I told the guys, hey, look, you
want to go get some wine and things and bring
it in and not have to pay for this kind
of wine, you can do that. And so I think
the rookie dinner after that was like four grand, four
or five grand. Oh, So you definitely took care of
your boy. Yeah. I made sure. I was like, you know,
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because I just kept thinking like, man, that's college tuition
for a kid. I'm going to find five chity for
my kids. I could do this with that. But I
get it. I mean I was you know, that was
a little there was some things there because I was
the first rounder and they were just like, you know,
oh he got it, you can come on. And because
they and it was kind of around the time where
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all the hazing stuff really stopped, so I was like, well,
we can't really do what we want to do to you.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Since they can't do stuff to your butter, you're gonna
do stuff to you.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No, I feel you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I brought the paddle out, yeah, and you came in.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah. I did get taped up and they put Tiger
bamb all over me and oh damn in the cot.
So that was that was a treat Yeah, that's that's typical, Hazel.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
You're too big and strong for that to be happening
at any point in your life.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Let me tell you, when you have sixteen other guys
just as strong as you, you know you got to
you know, I had to go back to the Bible.
I gotta submit, do.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
You just I remember in like seventh grade, I would
get my head stuck in the toilet and there was
a point where I would go, well, I'm really not
going to stop this, So I can fight it and
exhaust myself and possibly hurt myself, or I can just
let it happen and get it over with.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Is that what that felt like? No?
Speaker 3 (36:01):
No, how's your body now?
Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's actually been doing pretty good until probably about six
months ago. Uh. You know, playing old line, you get
neck issues and back issues and things like that. And
I got two herdid eaty disks right now my neck.
I actually just met with the surgeon thinking about having
a neck surgery, met with a guy to get a
who's the top guy here in Nashville to do disc replacement.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Didn't like the the conversation around it because I'm like,
this is like cervical I'm like it's too close. You know,
I need somebody who's gonna have a little bit softer
conversation with me about this, and so I just had
a second opinion on that, and so you so we're
going to try a couple of things before I had
to have surgery. But for the most part about it,
it's doing pretty good. I mean its ch it's more
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just like sleeping where just kind of like getting numb
tingling and stuff down the arms at night wake me up.
And so so I'm operating off about three hours worth
of sleep right now because I was up at like
two o'clock in the morning looking at my phone because
my hands are non said what you look at I'll
say that other than your sweating a little bit, well, yeah,
I was. I was like, you got to look around,
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like we got a sweat rag somewhere. What's the worst
injury you had while you played? Who I've had so
many worst probably was back herniation L four L five herniation.
I got a bulging disc. I think it was like
my fourth year in the league, going into training camp,
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got it up and Durham then coming down got another
one coming down a little bit uh funniest and funniest
story about this is I heard my back in practice
training campage just about the start and it was in
Right and it was in OTAs at the end of
OTA's and so Mike Homany comes into the training room
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and land on the table. He's like, he's like, you know,
you know old days, this is what we would do.
You know, we hurt yourself. You know, you know that
big slid out there. You just go out there and
you just keep popping in, popping in whatever. It's hurt.
It just like snaps back in the place. He's like, so,
I think you should go out and try that. I think.
I'm like, I'm like, come on, coach. It's like he's like, so,
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I'm just serious, and he starts and walks away. What
was he like, by the way, because I heard he
was amazing but very demanding, very demanding, but he was
like your granddad, like you didn't want to disappoint him,
didn't want to disappoint him. But he he had that
good balance where he's gonna treat everybody on the team
from house to back and shutting Alexander watch on the
exact same. But he demanded everything to be right. You know,
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if something was wrong with started over. You know, I
remember the first time me and Seneca Wallace who he
was in a game, you know, early in the preseason
something like that, and fumble a snap. He chewed me
up and down the sideline, come back right before we
go back on the field, he comes over with those
arms around me and he's like, you know, I love you. Right,
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He's like, don't farm again. Good coaching boy, But but
he was like that that that guy that I knew
how to push you but also knew how to love
on you. But he's gonna get he's gonna get the
best out of it. Love love, love my home.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
I'm an embracer of AI because I feel like it
can make a lot of things better in my life.
I feel like it can make medicine better. I feel
like there are a lot of ways adding AI gets
a bad rat because of the potential terrible things that
can do to the earth in general. But in reality, man,
there's so much optimism within me about how AI can
better all of us when we can learn faster. So
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but this is what you do now? So what is
Team q uh?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Team Q is a psychometric company, and it's easy way
to explain it is a h AI layered Okay, so
you're using it inside of it. Yeah, so we have
you know, the thing about AI where people don't AI
has been around since you know, early seventies.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
It's now it's an in every agura, It's been in
every algorithm forever, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
And so we just kind of the large language language
models just got into a place where it's just it's
it's kind of taking it off the top. And so
we've kind of started a process early on within the
AI and my whole system was ran off AI when
I first started it. But when you start dealing with humans,
you know, certain nuances would become really difficult to really
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predict with with certain AI models. And so what we
did was went back and started realizing early on that
in this AI game, the thing that's gonna win out
is these small language models where you can get specific
things done versus trying to be everything general. And so
we started building out language models from a small language
models standpoint to to then figure out at some point
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when to start really layering AI.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Intention like what is your to help athletes do what?
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, so my my intention was about athletes that started out,
you know, was trying to help athletes figure out who
they are, what skills are transferable, and so we have
for a long time, sport has kind of really used
us in a sense, and we've we've learned these things,
but no one's really put language around how does the
things that you learned in sports translate to other things?
(41:30):
And so that's when we get into these identity issues.
That's when we get into like, you know, I, you know,
I'm too scared to go try this because no language around. Hey,
what is your what's your thinking style? You know, how
do you communicate with people? Do you understand what your
communication style is? You know, we just you know, if
you're a direct communicator, no one has really taught you, like, hey,
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I still need to be able to communicate with someone
who is not a direct communicator in a way that
it lands. And so my whole goal was trying to
figure out just because of the way I grew up
and I learned, I realized that, man, I missed out
on a lot of resources because I didn't I didn't,
you know, know, how to advocate for myself. And so
I had to go back and learn all those things.
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And in the process, you started looking at all the
different assessments that are out there, and there's a lot
of bias and them, especially for athletes. And so when
I started looking at it through that lens, I was like,
all right, how do we how do we really shift
and change this where we can really get to know
the athletes. So, you know, so I don't go in
here and sit down with a coach and like pretend
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and then he thinks this coach thinks that, oh he
got it together, but all along I'm just like pretending,
and then I end up hurting myself along the way
because now that guy that coach can't communicate with me,
or that coach sees me as a kid that's like
maybe stand offish. I'm stand offish, but he sees it
as all he's a jerk, he's you know, high maintenance.
And so my whole goal was to be able to
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create a process using language, because sixty percent of our
language comes from my subconscious and so there's things that
you can't change, you can't fake, and so there's no
no way to change that. The function words that come
from your self conscious. The only two words you can
really focus on is I and we. But other than that,
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hard to change it.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
So is it a quicker understanding then of I use
the word understanding, and that it's hard for two people
to know each other. So the quicker they know each other,
the more you can actually have whatever the unified goal
is exactly, and it takes a long time to get
to know. Again, it's communication style, so it's to help
understand faster so you can achieve what the goal is.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
So it's the whole purpose is to to in three
different buckets. It's for the athlete to understand who they
are so they know how to communicate with the person
next to them. The athlete to also know how other
styles you know, communicate so then they can receive the
communication the right way. The coach to be able to
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understand this athlete faster because that coach already knows what
kind of system, you know, what their demaind are for
the athlete, which then you know it takes time to
build that if you don't know how that that person communicates,
think or or process information, what kind of composure they have,
you don't when you have to learn that by just watching,
It's takes time. The goal is to help that speed
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up that process and then that once you speed up
their process. Knowing athletes in general, you get on the
backside of it, and now it's the development piece of
it is now it's the retention piece of it. Now
I have a better chance of retaining this athlete because
I've leaned into who they are and I've met them
at that place versus a lot of combatants. Now I'm
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getting out of here. I want to leave. I don't
want to be here because it's God don't understand me.
And so the whole goal is for teams to be
able to recruit the right players that are that fit
their culture, develop that player within their culture, and then
hopefully take the money out of it, be able to
retain this athlete because now I have a relationship with
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this athlete beyond just x's and o's.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
The value, though, also is for whether it's a college
or an organization in the NFL, is they're putting a
lot of equity in kids. And not only is it
the communication factor, I believe, but it's also just being
able to say there's some red flags here, like do
we want to make this investment in somebody? Because you
I remember when we first started talking about this, you'd
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go all the way back and you'd look at their socials,
you look at how they communicate online and what impact
that might have down the road, or how they might
respond to somebody that gives them criticism or anything like that.
So there's a huge value component to the larger scale
part of this.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Well, when we came out, it was easy to replace
a guy because we was getting paid. It was a
scholarship and we get a new guy. Now, with the economics,
you're not going to replace a guy. So I'm gonna
bring a guy in out of the transfer portal. That
guy's gonna play and I got to figure how do
I manage this guy? And so if you know, you know, again,
(46:08):
this doesn't remove the fact that you're going to take
talent you and you're gonna bring in talent. The goal is,
once I have this talent, how do I have this
talent thrive in this environment? Now, if I know, if
I have a you know, sixty percent, maybe seventy percent
of my team is thriving. But I'm able to use
a system that can show me the rest of that
and know exactly who I need to lean into. Because again,
(46:30):
coaches don't have the time like they had when we
was coming up to spend to be with you and
talk to you, because now they are out on the road,
you know, raising money to pay for this, you know,
and so now the relationship piece again on top of
the generation that we're in where they don't have these
kind of conversations where they can look you and eye
and talk to you. And you know, the now you
(46:51):
the coach has to figure out, how do I get
to know this player when I'm an old school guy
and I've done it this way my whole my whole life.
And you know, one of the guys who've done well,
you know, you look across and there's going to be
a handful of coaches who understand the psychology and how
to and and has the ability to continue to adapt.
Nick Saban he was he kept adapting. He knew who
he can he can jump, and he knew he couldn't.
(47:13):
Pete Carroll was probably the ultimate guy who knew how to,
you know, from a psychology standpoint, work with players. Uh.
And so you're gonna have a handful of those type
of coaches who can do that. But as a whole
we're missing on a lot man, which is why you know,
the the transfer port is full of kids, you know,
and it's not just kids who wants to leave. It's
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also kids that are like, yeah, not the right fit
needs you to go in the transfer portal, We're gonna
bring somebody else in and so and I and I
relate that back to you don't just all of a
sudden just lose your athletic ability. And so when you
look at data, you know, when our data, when we
look on the back end of data, it's the analytics
of how much information can a person absorb. And if that,
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if they're already at a threshold needs some of the
things that we're able to see, then now they're not
gonna look like an athlete that they look like in
high school or college to pro because they're at that threshole.
And so if we can start integrating all these different
tools to help them lord their threshold, now you get
the athletes you thought you were getting, you know, from
a from a skill position, but then now, how how
(48:16):
do I manage it from a chemistry? Especially now these
kids getting this kind of money. It was already hard
going to the NFL where these guys are making millions
of dollars and you're like, oh, I'm just kind of
all right, man, I'm gonna go by this pickup truck
over here because I can't afford this Bentley. You know.
But now you're doing it in the college space. You know,
at eighteen kids coming in, I mean making that kind
(48:40):
of money, there's a lot of jealousy and things that
kind of happened. So you really have to know your team.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Final question because I'm about diving heage truck? How do
you do that? How do you how do you use
your platform? Like how do you get team Q?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Could you do a profile on me?
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Because like yeah, like how do you how do teams hire?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:59):
So from it from a team SAX. So we have
we have a couple models we are we just partner
with on three because we can do this. We've created
AI interviewer where we can do this with you know,
fourteen year oldki is now. So we were doing it
through channel partners. We're also a B two C model
while we're working directly with organizations. So when you're looking
at the athletic department, they'll purchase the system and then
(49:20):
do it across all in their sports.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
The schools come to you, guys, buy it from you, guys.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's Arkansas hasn't no, no, no, you never you know,
we do. We do mad libs. We give players mad
libs and go fill this out and then if it
makes the guy eats a funny egg. Okay, all right,
he made the team.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
He made the team.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Hey man, you guys got a good coaching staff there
right now though, Okay, new coaching staff is good coaches.
I don't know Silverfield.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, I'm It's my favorite thing in my whole life
other than my family. I mean, I'm not gonna do it.
I've given him so much money. I can't stand the
athletic director he has, he has. He has killed me.
I'm a midfish booster I'll probably give For the past
bunch of years, he has blown me off, ignored me,
(50:06):
not enough because exactly, hey, no more's coming.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Hey you stroke me, attend me, and they you come
sit in the box with me.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
He stroke him nothing, there's no stroking going on. He
got mad because the last coaching staff, like, I'm a
fan more than of anything else. Yeah, And I was like,
this ain't working and I have to be a fan.
And then they got super offended that I probably had
the biggest platform that's a fan of that team, and
they got offended that I'm not mister jolly go lucky
(50:36):
all the time, like I'm a fan. We're losing. We've
lost this many years in a row with this, So yeah, yeah,
it ain't good. So I let me ask you a question. Yeah,
but he will put me on the quick.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Well. No, it's just like as a as a as
a contributor to those type of programs and one who understands.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
ROI, you know terrible, I know, no return of investment?
Speaker 2 (50:54):
What what you know? What are what are you know,
donors doing to push the team to make sure that
they're not just asking for money and not have things
in place to make sure that hey, we know what
kind of guy we get in there.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Well, we don't know right now because Silverfield's new for us.
I don't know Ryan. I like Jared Jared Allen, his
friend who I know a little bit knows him, and
it hit me up and he was like, best dude.
I got a couple of friends that know him, and
I message him Happy Birthday and that's about it. And
so but everybody says it's a good dude, I don't
even know if we're going to have twenty two players
like that.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Oh gosh, here we go, I said, Bluman doom Man's
sec when you've a violent here, be down like we've
been beat down for so many years.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But yeah, I hope nobody expects a miracle. We'd like
doing four games, that wouldn't That would be okay this year?
And how sad is that that we're going four games?
Is okay? I know?
Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yes, more than that? Yeah, you win more than that. Maybe.
I mean for you what you're over and under in Vegas.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Me not jumping off of buildings. That's the over under, just.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
Moved to that. Yeah, a lot of people would miss you. Bobby,
a lot of people. We would put him through the profiling,
but you guys through the profile probably because you you
have a You know, that's the beauty of what we
do is that we don't we don't have to sit
down and take an assessment. So you have all this content.
I can take and fee your content. You know, you're
doing podcasts and things like that, you know, feeding through
(52:19):
my system. Man, I can give you a report on you.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Ever go to the one bitterness sadness you ever go
to the airport and it's the thing where it's like
hit and it shows all the faces, like how clean
the airport is? Mine?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Is that red?
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Sad one? They're very far one.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
So you would have been a great office alignment. Just grumpy.
I don't want to go to practice.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
So I want to go. I want to be there
before anyone.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
All right, thank you so much for coming in. Absolutely, man,
it's been awesome.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
The really wild part was like two hours ago air
condition died and I thought, should we still do this?
We're going to move into my house and you know,
Castle said, he said, Chris can take the heat.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
Oh, you know, he can take the heat. He's doing
the little adversity just as long as you guys like
at least, like you know, when you wipe something the
sweat that's.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
You're blessing on camera. Look great, look great, Chris, Thanks man,
I really appreciate it. There is Chris Pitzer.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Everybody.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Yeah, we got lots.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Okay, that's gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Thank you all for listening and watching and being here
every single week. What we can't wait for is actual football.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
Oh what's coming?
Speaker 3 (53:24):
The dog days of us just having to go I
don't know pick your favorite ice cream flavored list them
in order a top seven.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Have you seen any movies this week?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Those are over?
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But I did watch the movie the other day, which one?
I mean the one from Netflix? The the flight was
the Flight Fish the series finished, whole series.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Yeah, me too. I didn't know all that.
Speaker 2 (53:41):
I had no idea, but back then there was no technology.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
Sorry, and I want to I don't want to spoil anything,
and no spoil I still got two episodes.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah do you Yeah? Oh yeah, that's you're in the
nitty gritty.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Yeah, it's just I just learned a lot.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:57):
How about the Scottish really good police work.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Good people, good people, yeah, yead people people who.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
It's a tele show on Netflix, The pan Am Bombing
A Flight one O Three's a six part series.
Speaker 2 (54:10):
Yeah, I yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:11):
Shout out Scotland you guys rock.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Really want to go there someday. Let it be Yeah, leather.
Speaker 3 (54:16):
Be let la D Yeah, letters letter D. Thank you guys.
That's Matt Castle. That's kick Off Kevin. That's Brandon Ray.
I'm a sweat and a sweater very Bobby Bones. We
will see you guys next week.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Bye.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
Everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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