Lots to Say: Super Bowl Recap, Cam Jordan, Scott Hallenbeck, and Rob Riggle!

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lots, Just say.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lots.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Just say.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
What better here?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
And we hope you say because we got lost, Just
say yeah, we got lots.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Just say here's Bobby.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
That Welcome to another episode. Listen to.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
The game's been over for like three days. But we
should do a proper post mortem of the game, so
it's not really talk about the game, but talk about
the things that are dead from the game. For example,
does Will Campbell suck? I think that's question number one,
because I think that's.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, what's your definition of suck?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Not play good yet be indicative of how good he
really is?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yes, then I would go into that category. Unfortunately, he
struggled throughout the playoffs, and he had injury late and
came back. And I will say that in his defense,
he faced for of the best defenses, and you're always
going up against their best defensive end if you're that
left tackle. But he struggled. He struggled with the power
rush he started, struggled with speed. I think he set
an all time record what twenty pressures in the NFL playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, it was something like that.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
And gave up ten sacks or something, So I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh, you mean in the playoffs, in the playoffs, not
in the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
That would have been amazing if that was the case
the super Bowl. Yeah, I was talking about playoffs. I
mean it was it was. He was on the struggle
bus all playoff long, and you saw it again in
the Super Bowl and Seattle Seahawks took advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
How much of that, though, is injury and how much
of that though, is maybe he's just not at the
speed they thought he would be at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Probably a little bit of both.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I mean, anytime you come back for injury, and I
don't know what exactly he was dealing with in his ailments,
so I couldn't speak to that. But at the same time,
he had struggles throughout this course of this season. You
would love to see that develop and continue you to
build steam to where he's developed at the end of
the season and playing his best football. That didn't happen
because of the setback I believe with the with the injury.

(02:13):
But at the end of the day, there was not
enough consistency at all throughout the season and so they
have to take a hard look at him at left
tackle if maybe it's a positional movement where he goes
inside and plays guard, because one of the biggest complaints
about him coming out was the length of his arms
and this, that and the other. But to me, it's

(02:34):
a major concern because you've got a guy like Drake
May that is so talented. You've got to be able
to protect him, especially with that position.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
So would the proper demotion be though, from left tackle
to right tackle then inside.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Potentially, but their right tackle and I'm also a rookie, also.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
A rookie guard.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, left guard.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Morgan Moses played well.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
He played well this season for the most part, and
so yes, normally you're saying, if you're not working out
a left tackle, let's switch to right tackle. Maybe he
doesn't face as dominant as defenders, but nowadays, with the
versatility of these defensive linemen, they move all around and
they're going to try to create a matchup. So you
can't hide him somewhere. You have to find Excuse me,
it makes me crass crying. You have to find a

(03:21):
position that works for him, because you gave a major
draft capital at the third Woesie the third, fifth pick
something like that in the draft. Fourth fourth pick, well,
I was right in between there and so fourth pick
in the draft. You want to see if you can
one work on his confidence because right now, obviously his
confidence is down, but to find a position for him

(03:43):
where his skill sets can show.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Here's my hot take. I think he's gonna be fine.
And I think a performance like this is way better
than just a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad
performance in the offensive line doesn't get noticed that much
because we don't notice the offensive line unless it is
highlighted to us by the camera and the announcers because
it was such a bad performance. I think this is
something that he goes back over the offseason and he

(04:06):
stays extremely focused all off season and he comes back
even stronger. So I think a horrendous performance is better
than a pretty bad performance because a pretty bad performance,
he wouldn't be embarrassed.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
I mean, I agree with that comment wholeheartedly because he's
going to go and have to reevaluate the film.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
As hard as that is.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
As players at times, to go back and watch yourself fail,
you're going to grow from that. And I think he's
got one of those mentalities just listening to him in
interviews and seeing him play at the highest level in
the SEC in college. This kid's got a tremendous skill set.
Now it's about getting back to work and getting back
to the grind, and for him, being a young player,
I expect that to happen.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Kevin Pats Fan, Yeah, what does your Will Campbell take? Yeah,
I'm not worried yet.

Speaker 6 (04:49):
You know, if this goes into next year, bleeds in
a little bit because at the beginning of the year
he was doing pretty dang good. They didn't play anybody,
and then then he got hurt and he hasn't been
the same since. I am a like, he's just got
to work out it, like Castle said, and I think
he will. I think he has that mindset and that
energy to go get better and you know, not let
this knock him down.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think he'll be all right next year.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I will say this though, going into next year, there's
gonna be a microscope on him and they're gonna be
watching him because all off season long, there's gonna be
those question marks and so can he block out that
noise and really focus in on what he needs to
do to get better because I know that Boston media market.
They're ruthless, and they're gonna be talking about this all
off season long, and they're gonna be talking about it
no ta's and when season starts, and if there is

(05:30):
a bad game early on for Will Campbell, the rumblings
will start. So can he have the mental fortitude to
overcome all of the media distraction, everything and all the
comments being made and not get involved in the media,
because I think that'll take away from him just as
much as anything else.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
From a confidence standpoint, he was a.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Big loser, right, meaning of every one specifically, I think
he was more the big loser than Drake May was,
even though May played bad as well. If we were
to go here's who's I think it's Will Campbell, then
Drake May, and then I think it's your boy Josh Off.
It's a coordinator. I think in my opinion that that's
how it would tear biggest loser to mid loser.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Well, I think you lose as a team, Bobby.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
I mean, I mean, if we have a bad day
at the office, are you're going to say Castle your
number one loser?

Speaker 5 (06:15):
Always?

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Okay, I'm at the bottom of the total pole. And
Brandon Kevin are going to be took.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Too many Pats fans and Pats players.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
I'm just saying, you win as a team, you lose
as a team. And yes, it was a bad offensive performance,
and we knew going in it was going to be
an uphill struggle against this defense for Seattle, who are
eight deep on that defensive line. They're good at the
second level, they have a good secondary, they've got a
great scheme, and they've been playing well. I don't think
it was just Will Campbell that created some of those pressures.

(06:42):
He was most, I'm saying he was most, but the
offensive line collectively didn't play well in that game. Drake
May obviously had the turnovers, which had been an issue
throughout the playoffs as well. And you're always going to
be the focal point if you're the quarterback. And Josh McDaniels, yes,
he's probably sitting there reevaluating how he called the game,
second guessing, hey, should I have done this differently? Should
I have used this personnel group take advantage of there?

Speaker 5 (07:04):
But the is they couldn't ge anything going. I mean
it was fifty.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
Six yards in the first half.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
That is brutal.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
So Will Campbell Number two is Drake May. Does Drake
May suck post mortem? He had a really bad playoffs?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (07:19):
He did.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
And his nickname is officially changed. It's no longer Drake
Drake May May. It's now back to Drake the schedule
May wow on him tough today Now I'm not Yeah, everybody,
this is separation from the game now, right.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
He's a young player. I mean absolutely, second year in
the league. To achieve what he did was second MVP
voting deservedly. So he helped get this team to this
point and he was absolutely the catalyst for it all.
At the same time, he knows he's got to play
it better in the playoffs and he faced some really
good defenses and that's how you grow up in this league.
And if he would have pulled this off, it would

(07:53):
have been absolutely the most remarkable season ever. But he didn't.
And now he's got to look back in the mirror
once again and reevaluate himself and go into this offseason
and say how can we get over that home.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I feel like the Patriots just they need to put
mirrors up in every room in the facility, and everybody'
used to be looking in the mirror all the time. Oh,
it's nothing but mirror looking. Today, We're all going to look.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
In the mirror, staring in the mirror and say, hey,
what do you got today?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Drake May threw for a bunch of yards really, great
post mortem here.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
He threw for a bunch of yards really in the
fourth cardage.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah yeah, no, I'm talking about just over the season.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Oh oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
But again, when you look at it as a body
of work, they did play that last play schedule, they
did play in the playoffs. They played Denver's backup quarterback
like it was pretty much a kiss from all the
angels in heaven. Right schedule, But did you watch.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
The season like a lot of the down the field throws,
the accuracies, I hear you. He played above and beyond
the expectation of what it was going to be this
year with a first year offensive coordinated them those two together,
which makes no You're just you're playing devil's advocate, being.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
A guy to ask questions. I think next year could
possibly be rough with that first play schedule. To my
Patriots guys here, now you'll be playing a first play schedule.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
It always is.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
When you go out and you win the division and
you come back the next year, you have your schedule
that you have with whatever it might be, the NFC
West or whoever it might be that that year, and
then you play all the top teams from the other conferences.
Those are your out of conference games, and it's a
much different schedule when you go up against teams like

(09:38):
say you've got the Rams and you've got the forty
nine or of Seattle if you're playing the NFC West,
I mean, or those two teams would be your opponents,
and it's it's a grind.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
How do you feel, Kevin going in the next year? Wow, definitely,
I thought I was gonna hear.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah, what a bandwagon fame.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
To be fair, it was more than one performance. The
Denver game was not good. No, the offense against the
Texans not good. But the Texans had a really good defense, right,
very good.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, and the Texans turned the ball over five times.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yes, the Texans had a rough rune for sure.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
What I'm what I'm most worried about is maybe it's
just because it just happened this year with the Commanders.
They took a huge step back because they played that
first place schedule, which I understand, but you know, Daniels
got hurt, So there's that factor in there. But the
reason my biggest concern for Drake and I love Drake.
I mean, I watched him play all year, every game.
He looked phenomenal throughout most of the year, but there

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was no like I was just waiting for a turnaround
in that game, and I just felt like it never
got there. Right when it did, he threw another bad pick.
And I know that's probably all in his head, and
he's a young player and I get all that, but
I feel like either him or Josh McDaniels just gotta
come together better. Mattin knows is more than I do
in a game like that to be like, all right,
what is working for us and what's not. And the
fact that they didn't turn around at all until maybe

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the fourth quarter a little bit, that's my big concern.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, Seattle already dumped gatorade and the middle of third
that's aw, the gatorade go over the coach's head.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, they felt pretty confident at that point.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, So game's over. Post mortem, final post mortem question
three days out is Sam Darnold at Good.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Sam Donald's for real? And I think he proved that
last year. Obviously there were a lot of doubts considering
his playoff performance in the last game of the year.
But then he goes out this year in the consistency
of play, and then also he played his best football
in the biggest moments this year in the playoffs, and
I think that says something about the player and the

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ability to go out and play play in big moments.
He won a Super Bowl, for God's sake. Yeah, I
think he answered all the questions. Yeah, he's pretty good. Okay,
winning quarterback.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
He is now that you cannot take away from him,
to take away from him, but he's fine.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, he was fine.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
It wasn't six and a half great, six and a
half out of ten good enough to win a Super
Bowl if you have a really good to great defense.
So yeah, okay, we're separated enough.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
I feel like again, didn't turn over the ball, made
the places when you need to make.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sell didn't turn over the ball one time all postseason.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
That's what I'm talking about. See, that's playing. That's good football.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, that's good. Okay, those are my three post moderal questions.
All right, what do you got over there?

Speaker 5 (12:19):
All right?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
You know, the Winter Olympics around right now. And I
was sitting there the other night. I was asking my wife,
I said, what Olympic winter events do you think that
you not you couldn't compete in, but you could complete
if I had to, if you had to, like any
Winter Olympics. And I know that the one which is
obvious for both of us probably is curling.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You feel like you couldn't even think about that.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
You could probably push that whatever that is down down
the straightaway and I could sit there and you say sweep, sweep,
and I'd sweep. But some of these skiing and the
downhill free whatever they call it, it's the most incredible
athleticism you've ever seen. These women that I watched the

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other day are going down, hitting the poles, landing backwards,
perfectly doing what fourteen hundred or whatever they say with
revolution skating hu, Well they have I know this is
actually skiing downhill, going off huge.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Ramps like the jumps.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
The jumps.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, probably loseelu. Yeah, if I had to pick with that, Like,
can you think you could complete the event? I could
complete it. I think I could push and then get in.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Well, that's part of the louse. You got to actually
push and get in the thing.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
That's what I think I could do. That's about it.
Like you got to stay on the track though you're
well the other people anything else they're doing. So I'm
just gonna be the person that like jumps in the one.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
There's one event that has one person, and there's.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I would die, I die, yeah, one, and then there's three.
Now I'm going over the top. I'm going if I
get to a solo lousee, I'm going for sure going
off the rail and landing on my head.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
How do they steer by the way.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Probably like a sled when you're sledding down a hill.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
That you must have some kind of controls here underneath
while you're laying down, because they're laying down flat.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that four person though, I don't know if there's
a steer in there or not. I think you just
get in and pray, hope for the best. Yeah, I
think you just all jump in. Did you guess the
video of the guys in the trials they couldn't get in.
Now it's all over, It's it's me America. Yeah, and
when they can get answer, they're all flying over the top. Yeah.
If I had to pick a winner sport there's like, hey,

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we need to fill in something. It would be the
Loge because I feel like I could do the least
amount of damage at that.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Yeah, what about cross country skiing?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Skiing?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
So I think you have to have some serious stam
enough for that. I don't know if I'm up for that.
It would take me a long time.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Sound like Summer Olympics a lot more, but because we
play more of those sports here in America.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
But I'm just amazed at the athletes. The figure skater
what's his name? The guy that is the quads and
the flip and.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
All I know is they call him what quadzilla? That's
all I know. I don't feel like they've marketed these
athletes good enough. And possibly because we don't.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Know the game, I just think he just won the
gold medal.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah he did win.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
God, quad God, Julia.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
They don't call hi quadzilla. I see quad if they
don't call him quadilla.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
Actually, they should definitely do a short.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Cause I don't think I made that one up. Okay,
here we go. The odds to win the Super Bowl
next year already as soon as the game, I love
betting Number one is Seattle. Again, it's fair. They're tied
with the team tied with the team at plus nine
point fifty Seattle's won, so this team would be one

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as well.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
The Rams, Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
I mean the way that that NFC Championship game went
and the three battles that they had this season, I
would say that that's a fair statement right now, just going.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Off of last year, go with three. Guess again, go
with three Seattle, the Rams and then forty nine forty
nine Ers did not make the top ten.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
They didn't make the top ten af AFC team. Do
I go with the Chief? No, maybe.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
Let's go with the Bills.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
The Bills at number three plus eleven hundred, Eagles at four,
Patriots at five. I'm honestly surprised they're high.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
To god, you guys just I know, I don't know why.
I don't hate you're in the Super Bowl. I know
it's still seventeen and four. It's so fresh.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I know, give it a week.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
It's his second season. For God's sakes, They're going to
go out and spend some more money, get that, you know,
fill some holes, build off of a great defense that
they have.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Nobody's arguing with Yeah, okay, you are. I'm not sorry.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
I believe they're in number five.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
But I wasn't arguing with anyone. I just can't. I
just like to argue six, Packers at seven, Lions at eight,
Chargers at nine, Chiefs at ten. I'm all in on
the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
I think the Chiefs are going to have a comeback
here at.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Plus fifteen hundred, and they're going to play a weaker
schedule like part of what happened last year. Obviously a
low aging, but I think they're drafting like nine, which
is crazy high for the Chiefs. Yeah, at least in
recent memory, because they've won or got close to winning
for the past.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
They've won three eight ten years.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Yeah, they went to five Super Bowls and won three
of them.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Both the Bengals and the Chiefs are drafting up high.
I think both of those teams can be really good
next year. But yeah, the Chiefs at number ten at
plus fifteen hundred.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
So Tennessee Titans aren't on there.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I don't even think they put them on the list,
like they're not even one of the NFL teams.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I think this is a team though that Look, they
were awful this year. I get it. Yeah, Robert Soli
comes in Brian da Ball cam Ward is a promising
young quarterback in this league. They've got over one hundred
million dollars in cap space that they can go out
and spend. They've got a high draft pick as well,
They've got draft capital. So I mean, you sit here

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and you talk about these teams that make these huge
shifts from one year to the next. They're in a
position right now not only to spend money to better
themselves the draft, and they bringing a guy like Robert
Sawa and somebody that's done it in the offensive side
of the ball. With Brian Dable and also been a
head coach, they could surprise some teams this year.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think one of the things that the Titans have
to do next year is let the organization organize and
not be an owner always meddling.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Yes, the owner needs to stay out of it, and
they need to let the football people do the football
thing and go out there and with from your GM
to your head coach, make those decisions who are we
bringing in from a personal personnel standpoint, and then let
the chips fall where they may.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I love letting the chips ball me.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I mean, isn't it the best plays chips.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
On the ground, MVP odd. Do you want to player?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Let me tell you MVP odd.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Let's play, all.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right, you bet one hundred bucks, go ahead, okay, I
bet one hundred dollars.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
I'm gonna go with Josh Allen, so.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Forty one, one hundred bucks. He is at number one, the
favorite for the MVP next year at plus five fifty.
I believe he was third this year because it went Stafford,
Drake May, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, I think he had
two votes, and then Christian McCaffrey possibly at five.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Okay, okay, so I got that number two. I am
gonna go with Matthew Stafford. No, no, not on the
list at all.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
No, well, not in the top five, three, five, six,
at eight, Lamar Jackson at number two, Lamar Jackson. So
it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson at number three, Jalen Hurts,
Patrick Mahomes, Patty. They don't make it one year and
everybody sleeps. He's back at plus one thousand, Herbert at four,
Borrow at five, Drake May at five, dak At I

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guess that would be seven, and Stafford at eight. Jak's
always in the mix.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's in the mix.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
From I mean, he's.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Always pre and mid preseason, Dacks in the mix. The
middle of the year, Dak's usually in the mix. But man,
the Cowboys just don't win.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, but they've got They've got a lot of draft
capital too, don't. They have two first rounders this year
and they're talking about bringing Pickens back, which, yeah, they're
franchising them.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Right, so they're not talking about.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
Then he's gonna have Ceedee Lamb and Pickens back.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
He'll he'll put up some numbers for sure.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Would you want to be franchised?

Speaker 4 (20:34):
I did.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
I was franchise if you're him.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I think that's the only way to keep him in
building without paying him and committing long term money to
somebody that has obviously proven that he can be a
headache and go off the rails at times.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
Even last season. You saw it.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
He's got a temperament that you sit there as ownership
and you try to put that aside because he is
a phenomenal player. If he could ever get the mental
side of it together with the physical side, you'd sit
there and go, Man, he's probably the best, one of
the best wide receivers in the game, but he can

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become a distraction, and that's the worry I think with
every organization and George Pickens going back to the Steelers
even last year at different points in the season. But
if you just talk about raw talent, my goodness, the
guy special.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I wouldn't want to be franchised if I were him,
and I would be a bit annoyed. Yeah, you're making
good money, You're making the average of the top five
wide receivers or whatever that that is. But the sentiment was,
as he was dominating this year, he's gonna get paid.
He's gonna get paid. He's gonna get paid. He's getting paid,
but he's getting paid on a one year deal. And
then he's also risking injury and headache. Yes, because if

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he gets hurt or if he's a headache again, I
think that hurts what he's worth going forward. Or if
you're him, you were just gonna get paid if they
didn't franchise you, You're going to go somewhere and you're
gonna get a multi year deal and you're going to
get paid. So if I'm him, I'm a bit irritated
that I have to play through the franchise tag.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
And I think that's the issue with a lot of
guys to get franchised, they've proven them else, they're here
to set up a second contract, maybe it's a third contract,
go out and make their money, and that's where you
make your money in the NFL. And for him to
be franchised, there's got to be some discontent with the
fact that he's now got to go prove it again

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and he's got to somewhat maybe keep himself in check,
which might be a good thing for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
He almost kept himself in check last year until the
end of the season, right, Like that was the story,
Like Pickens is awesome, and also when ceed was out
a bit, he definitely showed he could be a number one.
But he also kept his mental game right for most
of the year until he went off and then he
was off again.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Right, And that's the issue that you have as any
organization that are going to bring in George Pickens is
you have to calculate that into the equation and say,
is he a guy that at some point is going
to be more of a distraction than a help on.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
The football field.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
If it was just football and you turned on the
film and you go, oh, I pay that guy today,
four year, whatever it is, whatever your dollar amount is,
I'll take you. You'll be your number one. But the fact
is he's proven time and time again that he does
have that quality about himself.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
And that's the issue.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
When you got franchised, was it in New England and
they held you to go to Kansas City?

Speaker 5 (23:19):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
It was because there was some complications with Brady coming back,
and so they franchised me so I wouldn't walk out
of that building. And then once they understood that Brady's
coming back, that's when they had my rights and got
to make the decision basically for me of who they
were going to trade me to.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Was it so cool to get paid though? Yeah, I mean,
I'm not gonna be awesome, not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
When I saw them they sent over the franchise contract
and I was sitting there, I was like, hold on,
what does that say? It's the average of what I
really didn't understand. I knew that they had my rights,
but didn't understand what that meant in terms of money,
and it was obviously I was a seventh round draft pick,
making league minimum for the first four years of my career.
And then when I saw that, I was like, just
tell me where do I sign? Just I don't need

(24:02):
to read any of this, just give me it. Boom.
I signed it and then parlayed that into my contract
with the Chiefs. That's so cool. It was great. It's
there's something to be said about when you see a
check for the first time and think that it can
make make an impact on your life in such a

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different way.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
You get paid every game every two weeks.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Organizations do it differently normally. Some some teams will do
it every week, some teams will do it every two weeks.
And then there are organizations that you have the ability
to pay yourself out throughout the entirety of the year.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So instead of getting it every.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Sun's lump sums just during the season, you can do
it throughout the course of the year.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Could you just get like a regular check even in
the off season.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
Though, yeap, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
So you're safer to do that probably be safer for
some guys. Yeah. I've definitely seen the guys that go
out and get their first contracts as a fourth rounder
and buy a Maserati or something like that.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
And I'm going, what the hell did you do that for?

Speaker 7 (25:03):
What?

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Did you buy a couch?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Nice?

Speaker 4 (25:06):
I went out and bought myself a restoration hardware leather couch.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
That's nice though.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah, I was pretty pleasing, but still have it today.
One of Uh. Yeah, I'm a very simple guy.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
You know, I'm not a flashy yet.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Dude. I'm not gonna go out and you know, buy
a car or jewelry or anything like that. Just give
me a nice couch I can sit on and hang out.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Do you have any jewelry at all?

Speaker 4 (25:28):
My wedding ring and an Apple watch that keeps my steps,
but that's about it.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, you have any jelry.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I can see you as like a blin guy, like
a little something around the neck I have.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
Are you a watch guy?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Like in the last two to three years, I became
a watch guy.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Are you one that goes out and seeks out rare?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Not anymore and not rare but nice. I probably have
twelve to fifteen really nice watches.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
So that was your cutoff when you slowed down?

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Twelve to fifteen just in case you need to tell
time on your ankle or something like that.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, it's a good point. I feel like I slowed
down because I couldn't any that were so different than
the ones that I had. Yeah, and I just became
bored with trying to find super nuance. Got it because
like this one here, this is a red Rolex. I
love red, yes, of course, and speak to you. I
was looking for a red faced Rolex. I finally found

(26:22):
this one. Boom got it off list. I've got a
few that I'm super happy with and proud of them.
It's on my breakout for like super special occasions. So
I became a watch guy. I guess I am a
watch guy. I know the difference in the watches now.
I don't only wear jewelry. The rings I have on
now are This is an Ora ring, right and then
this is my wedding ring and it's silicon. It's rubber.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
You asked your wife for a silicon right now?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But here's the real story.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, let's see when you lost your ring.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I didn't lose it, but I don't lose stuff. So
you think I'm a goat to lose this stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I mean there's potential if you rubber ring. I'm just
I'm veryt you still have.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Oh yeah, here's the ring that I have, So I
go and I pick up my wat's engagement ring. She
didn't have anything to do with picking it out. I
picked it out.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
I can see that by you because you're a gift giver.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I am and crushed with it is an amazing ring.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah, I mean there is such an inequality when it
comes to ring buying for weddings.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
So I bought me a ring, a guy ring that's
made of I don't know whatever it's made of.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
What is it? What?

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Gold and diamonds.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's not gold, but it's it's a it's a silver
and I put diamonds all on the inside of it.
You and then I just don't like wearing.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
It to honey.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
You buy yourself your own wedding ring. Yeah, that's really
forcing the hand of her. Don't worry about I've got
everything they can care.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
That went with she went with me for because we
already'd already given her hers. But there's a difference. I
gave her her engagement ring.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yeah, and then you got to get the wedding Well, then.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
We went to get the wedding band. We did that
together and it was smaller, but then we were buying mine,
and it was like, you can buy this one for
like one hundred and ten dollars all that I spent,
like I want to, but I don't ever wear it
because I don't like ring I don't like hard rings
on my hand. Yeah I'm throwing up the bench press.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, I did. I've never taken this. I did,
and I'm left handed.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't like wearing rings.

Speaker 4 (28:11):
I wear my rings.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
That sucks.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Yeah, I almost lost it one day I was coming up.
I would just leave it on for practice and forget
about it. And then one day I was coming off
and I could not find my ring, and it was
somewhere on the practice field. Luckily, a rookie was out there,
and I asked him if they would go look. He
went and looked, he found the ring. I was like, yes, yes,

(28:33):
but that was the only time I got close.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
So I've had this thing for nineteen years.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yeah, how about that? Never lost it?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Also crazy that you've been married nineteen years? Pretty crazy, right?

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, good for you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, my ring, that was pretty balder. I'll wear it
one day. You'll like it. It's got a bunch of
diamonds in the inside.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Why on the inside wouldn't well.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Be comfortable to be both well and no, no, no, not underneath.
So okay, it's starting and it's on the inside.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Yeah, I love the ring.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
No, a lotably yeah yeah lovely.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, I don't like what.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
I just don't like where jewelry.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
But the thing about watches too, they hold their value,
yeah for the most part. Like it's not like a
car that you drive off the lot and you lose
twenty twenty percent on it immediately, it depreciates. It's one
of those things that the trade in value is usually
pretty substantial or close to what you paid for it.
If it's one of the watches that you obviously own fifteen.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Of them, you never became a watch guy.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
No, If I just need to tell time, just give
me something that can tell time.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, I have my phone for that. So if it's
about telling time, yeah, I look at my cell phone.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Yeah that's true. I mean one of the gifts that
Brady gave me was a Nevado watch, and it's probably
the nicest watch I have I maybe have. I do
have two watches. I've got the Mavado watch and I've
got this watch. And I can appreciate a nice peet
like a nice piece like that, when you're dressed up
and you've got to go out, you're not wearing this
Apple watch.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It makes you adds a little something to the fit.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't want to be the one to tell you that,
but we call you o Apple because everybody laughs at you, because.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, well you should see my steps.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Dude, I crush that thing. And then how many times
a week does it tell me you completed five workouts
this week?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
That's right, we don't call you all Apple. Don't worry.

Speaker 5 (30:13):
You know, old Apple.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
That my Apple Watch? Because I have an Apple Watch.
I rarely wear it because I always forget to charge it.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
It's really uh there's this thing that goes in the
wall and you just kind of PLoP it on their
familiar Yeah. Oh, you like to sleep with it to
see your rhythms.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
That's why I wear my ring, my or ring?

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Oh is that what attracts sleep?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Mostly sleep? I use it for sleep every night.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Do you really.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Well? What do you find out about your sleep? Do
you sleep well? No?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I know I don't sleep. Oh, but it don't tell
me how long I slept, when my heart rate was.
It gives you like a readiness score, how good your
body feels that day. Sometimes it'll go you have stressors,
and so it's indicated these stressors, and usually that means
I'm about to get sick, and that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
When it does that.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It doesn't play with your mind though, Yes, But I
would say the other way it works to where if
I feel like I got garbage sleep and I look
down and it says I got six and a half
or seven hours, which is rare for me, I'm like, dang,
I should feel good. And I talked myself into feeling
good for the same reason.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, So it's it's a little bit of back and forth.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Yeah, but I believe it.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Do you believe it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Because I can work out and it'll tell me how
long I worked out, well my heart rate was. That's
what a watch that. Yeah, but I wear it as
a ring and you don't have to charge it.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I have to charge it like once every six days.
It's not a commercial. By the way, I don't have
any deal before we get to Cam Jordan and our guests,
I just wanted to save this for the last part
of this segment. Perfect what's it like to lose the
Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I know I'm because you did. And yeah, I mean,
I'm telling you it's I know.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
What it's like like in the locker room. You gotta
fly all that.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, it's an emotional scene in the locker room after
because you put everything into the season, you know you
might not get another opportunity to go to the super Bowl,
just like the one that I went to in two
thousand and seven. We didn't go back to the super
Bowl the rest of my career and I played fourteen years.
But I think that's the feeling for a lot of
guys in the locker room when they know that they
are at the cusp of great and have that moment

(32:07):
that they've worked their entire life for and it slips
through where they don't have a good performance. And so
there's some guys that are obviously visibly emotional. There's other
guys sitting there in their locker room, I mean, in
their locker trying to kind of take take it all
in a lot of guys giving hugs and going around,
and there's those leaders that are saying to keep your
head up and go that route. So it's, uh, it's

(32:30):
it's difficult because it sticks with you and then you're
always playing that over and over and it's not for
a few months after the fact that you finally can
move forward and start getting yourself prepared for the next even.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
But you were a year four, right three, so you
probably I thought maybe, I mean, yeah, you're so young
in your career that maybe you think with all the years,
there's a possibility where I would assume if you're a
veteran and you've played in the league ten years or so,
when that happens, it's probably a lot harder.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Right And I think I think a guy like Junior Sayhowe,
who came in that year and was a leader on
a team, a vocal leader, would break us down before
we'd go out. It hit him hard for sure. I
mean because it was his last opportunity. A guy like
Randy Moss who's there, who's had a phenomenal career and
had an outstanding season that year, that hit him hard.
Brady same thing, because Brady his expectation is greatness. And

(33:23):
I don't think it was until I left New England
that I realized not just how hard it is to
get to the super Bowl, how hard it is to
win consistently in the playoffs because there's so many changes
that take place every year for every organization, whether it's
free agents leaving, coaches leaving. When you're successful, normally your
team's going to change dramatically in many ways going into

(33:45):
the next season, so that one season or that one
team will never be the same. And so there's a
lot of pride that goes into what went into that season,
the guys that you worked with, the brotherhood, and then
to reach it and actually not being able to achieve it,
it can be very difficult.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Was there a point in that game where you're going, Okay,
now we're not going to win.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
You know. I always thought that we were on the
cusp there, and then it was when Plexico Burris ran
that slugo and went in and I don't know how
much time was on the clock, but it wasn't much,
and I don't think we had any timeouts and we
had to go eighty and.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I was like, this might not win.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
We might not win.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
And I still thought.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
I thought some kind of crazy play where Brady's gonna
throw it up the moss seventy yards downfield, He's gonna
make a miraculous catch. We're gonna get back and win
the game. But that was the point when I was like, oh,
I'm a little a little worried here.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Because I feel like that's what happened to New England
this year on that interception, or maybe even the three
and out outside of half. But even after the half,
the three and out happens, there's still a lot of
game left and you're only down what nine, right?

Speaker 4 (34:52):
I think the big changing point for them was when
they got the three and out. They had him, they
had Seattle backed up, they got a three and out,
Milton Wins had the sack, they have the punt, Jonathan
Jones has a great return, blocking the back, brings them
back and then they turn over the ball. I mean
that was a moment still down. I think at that
point nine nothing to where you go make a move
and start go in and even get three points and

(35:14):
get a little momentum. They just never captured momentum that
entire game, and that was a huge turning point. I
believe we're.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Gonna go now and talk to Cam Jordan, New Orleans
Saints all time sack leader, future Hall of Famer. Cam
is an eight time pro bowler. He had ten point
five sacks or ten and a half ten point five.
He's say ten point five and a half and half. Yeah,
he had ten and a half sacks this past year.
Has his own podcast called Off the Edge of Cam Jordan,
So check that out. Did you ever play with the game?

Speaker 5 (35:43):
I did not. He's been a saint in his entire career.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Do you ever play against Cam?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Sure? Did, and he is a beast? Really, Oh man?

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Do you hear him?

Speaker 4 (35:51):
You hear he's He constantly's chattering. You'll hear it on
the interview. I mean, obviously he knows how to talk,
and he knows he's got.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Swaggered to him.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
And he's one of the better ones that you play
against because you're constantly gonna hear him.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Here he is Cam Jordan, Cam Jordan, got to see
you man.

Speaker 8 (36:07):
Hey, pleasure, pleasure for having me on.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Do you feel like, since you're doing the podcast and
you're also playing, do you feel like there are things
you can't say because while you're playing.

Speaker 9 (36:16):
Oh yeah, there's been many controversial topics that I've approached.

Speaker 8 (36:23):
No, I say what I want when I want.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
If you don't feel some type of way about it,
Luckily I'm still currently playing. So if Officer the lineman
feels like he's not fat, show me or if he's
not athletic or whatever that is. Showed me like I
saw Garrett Bowles and the Pro Bowl out there, Arthur snagging,
snagging a couple of tuddies. I said, Okay, we're in
the cusp. Like he was against the separation, but we're
on the cusp. I see what you did there. You know,

(36:46):
I love the idea that I can talk trash about
maybe a quarterback or whatever that is in a polite
way that isn't degrading towards you know, the entire quarterback system,
but make a statement of how I'm gonna tack him
and do so accordingly. Or if we lose, let's talk
about it hurts. Nobody goes into a game trying to lose.
I think I'm gonna win every game by fifty and
I'm proven wrong.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Sometimes talk talk about your longevity in the league. You've
been doing it for a long time. If you're the
sack leader, like for the Saints, which is incredible in itself.

Speaker 9 (37:15):
Talking about season career because it's both the career season.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
He let me tell you all the I know a guy, Yeah,
what what do you uh? What would you say is
the key to your longevity? Oh? Man.

Speaker 9 (37:32):
Honestly, you could say the way that I attack off
season workouts or the way that I treat my body
with prehab, but there's so many guys that do that.
There's no one individual thing like I've been able to
play all the games of my career except these two
one because of COVID one because the coaches said that
I was not wasn't allowed to play with the broken bone,
when I've played with.

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Plenty of broken belts before.

Speaker 9 (37:52):
It's I mean, between God's blessings, my mother's prayers and luck,
what else can you say? Because you could be as
healthy as you want to be, you could be as
strong as you want to be. You can put as
much IMSIs on training, the the the ligaments around your
core muscles. Guess what something's gonna tear? Are you willing
Are are you willing enough to.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
Play through it? In NFL?

Speaker 9 (38:09):
One hundred percent of injuries happen if you play long enough.
You know, I can remember breaking my first you know,
Meta metacarpoal my rookie year on a like a Tuesday Wednesday.
I was playing by Sunday. Then you say, hey, Cam,
do you want to play apps? So freaking lootely I do.
And you know, I've had the high ankle sprains on
one ankle and then having a low ankle sprain on
the other ankle. I'm out there looking like a pony,

(38:31):
and I watched Geno Smith run to it outside and
cut up and I can't pivot.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
I'm like, dang, maybe I shouldn't have been out here.

Speaker 9 (38:36):
But at the same time, I've bent the corner and
stopped the run and did everything else in it. It's
it's all about enabling yourself with the confidence, and then
it just builds over time, like oh, yeah, you gotta
you know, a lower a lower back problem. You gott
a L four L five that's gonna have a dissected
me surgery at the end of season.

Speaker 8 (38:52):
All right, But can I play?

Speaker 9 (38:54):
And if I can get out there and play to
what my standard is, I'm going It's all about the
one two at the end of the day. And half
of it, honestly, is that arrogant like confidence of where
we're mortals and were immortal in that moment, right like
we're immortalized and through the pain, like oh my god,
I can't believe he actually got out there and he

(39:14):
separated the shoulder last week and he's still playing. You
saw Fred Warner this year dislocate his ankle right and
we all saw the clips of him.

Speaker 8 (39:21):
And by players out there freaking coming down hill.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
I'm like, this, dude, is unreal. The legends of the game,
the legendary stories of what makes a game so great.
You see a guy we apply to basketball player that
you know that they'll play with the broken finger that
happens every other game, if not every other play for
some guys, like my finger pops this way and I
just pop back in. You grab, you know, you grab
a little a tongue lozenger, look and bite on it. Pause, whoa,

(39:47):
and then you readjusted and you go back in. You know,
you have times where you may have a broken risk
or even a slightly fractured race and you just put
race wrist tape on it. Come a few times I
have to wear a risk tape like I'm here to
They say the best ability is availability, and I bought
fully in on this in high school.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Which quarterback can you get to? But it's been the
hardest to take down once you get to him.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
A guy like Lamar Jackson, for whatever reason, it's hard
for me because he's a ducker. Like I'm trying to
like in today's rules, you can't just pop them underneath
the chin anymore. You can't just like murder them outright.
You have to like calmly ask them, hey, okay, if
I touch you, I'm about to put hands on you,
and oh, by the way, land ever, so just softly
on the no, it's hard now, as fast as he is,

(40:33):
as quick as he is.

Speaker 8 (40:34):
I remember I hit him multiple times one game and
I duck. He ducked over. He splanned out. I was like,
what the hell is it me?

Speaker 9 (40:41):
I said, maybe I don't have anyone in the next game.
I have like two sacks against their car whoever's next.
I was like, it's just him for some whatever reason.
I remember I hit I try to murder him too.
I said, screw it, I'm going for it. I try
to hit him, he ducks, I go over the top,
he rolls out. I get up and I slap his
ankles and he still like jumps off one foot throws
a dot to the side and I'm like, you know what,

(41:04):
he's MVP.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
And he's different. I mean, that's true.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Are you a firm believer that the league sets up
rules that go against the defensive. Yeah, the.

Speaker 8 (41:16):
Most for DB's for for dbs D.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
How about the hit pack.

Speaker 9 (41:20):
It's the targeting situation right defences players like a quarterback.
I saw Carl Grannison this year hit a quarterback. Of
course it was his blindside, because he plays primarily to
the guy's blind side.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
He hit him.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
It wasn't even vicious they call flag right. It's it's
the wide.

Speaker 9 (41:35):
Receivers who run free, the tight ends who are not
scared anymore to go over the middle. You used to
have to fear the middle. It used to be like
the quarterback, you better not place me in a bad position.
He used to be a quarterbacks fell And now we're like,
I can't believe this safety came down from deep third
and made this incredible tackle on This is a wide
receiver who's going twenty two miles per across the middle,
and how dare he lay him out?

Speaker 8 (41:56):
What I mean?

Speaker 9 (41:57):
I love those hits. I was born off the Deon
Dawkins I was. I was raised in the Joey Browner era.
I saw guys fear that middle. You would have told
John Randall he couldn't blindside hit a quarterback. Are you
kidding me? Reggie White? They were like grabbing them in
headlocks as they go down, like go to sleep, little fellow.
Hey now I've got to like hit him with the pillow. Hey,
I'm coming.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Are you as vocal on this loves everybody? Are you
a vocal on the field?

Speaker 8 (42:23):
Absolutely? I love.

Speaker 9 (42:25):
I love being a vocal leader. I mean who I
am doesn't change twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Now.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
The older I get, the more guys kill me with kindness.
Now and it's completely taking.

Speaker 8 (42:34):
Me out of my game.

Speaker 9 (42:35):
I'm like, I'm about to drive in the dirt.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Hey man, you know it was a really good play. Bro.

Speaker 9 (42:41):
Like, hey man, respect like, don't don't pregame, Like, hey bro,
respect everything you've done.

Speaker 8 (42:46):
I respect you too. I want to what are we
doing here? Exactly?

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Let's all right? How about offensive lineman? Young offensive lineman?
You gone up in the league this year?

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Who you think that is? Gonna have some long jevities
to me?

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Come on, you gotta go out.

Speaker 8 (42:59):
Of my way to disrespect you. Yeah, out of my
way to make sure that we're not friend of this.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Gotta be one one guy that you have no idea
but nobody. Yeah, no, you don't respect them on.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
Taylor Moton, Christian Christian Worths.

Speaker 9 (43:15):
I'm just gonna say names that I know.

Speaker 8 (43:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're good people. I'm sure maybe dap
me up after the game. I mean, I'm gonna.

Speaker 9 (43:25):
Respect them absolutely, But it's like I don't want to
know their names because I don't want to know things
about them. I treat them as like, oh yeah, number
sixty seven for the week, and then I do automatically
try to forget them because I don't want to be like,
man after you build.

Speaker 8 (43:35):
A report with them, like I actually like this guy.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
Damn it, I can't like this guy because I'm trying
to punch a hole in his chest, Like I don't
have the ability to like, oh man, we're friends, and
I don't want to hurt them.

Speaker 8 (43:45):
No, no, I have.

Speaker 9 (43:47):
To do my job. I'm going to do my job.
If I know your name is probably not positive, I'm like, oh,
I'm dog walking him.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
What's the goal? How many more years do you want
before you transition into what feels like an automatic media career.
It could be today, it ain't gonna be today.

Speaker 8 (44:03):
Hey, come on, come.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
On, tell us something.

Speaker 9 (44:05):
If a media, if a media offer came through and
it was like, hey, Cam, we got Tom Brady numbers
for you.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
Brother. I'm never looking back.

Speaker 9 (44:13):
Not that money is ever gonna change anything, but at
this day and age, I look at it as a
respect factor.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Right.

Speaker 9 (44:20):
I've I've played for a team, I've given money back,
I've you know, I've had money taken from me whatever
whatever you want to say that that sentence, and I
was like, yo, Like because of that, I know that
they're gonna try and limit snaps because they put faith
or they put whatever it is into a different position. Right,
money is respect and I think I've seen that as
after the first contract. I don't really care what the

(44:41):
top dollar is or the lowest dollar is. Put it
to where you have to respect my my my ability
and actually want to put me in a better place too.
I'd like I'd like a Blitz named after me. I
love when they say, hey, Cam, this will get you free. Yeah,
well We're gonna.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
Have five guys up at the front line and I'm
going to get a one on one for sure. I
love that.

Speaker 9 (45:01):
And if we talk about you know, oh oh, well,
you start projecting whatever it is. I' At some point
money is not going to make or break me. At
this point in my career. I've been blessed enough to
have stayed with the same team for fifteen years, and
they've showed a tremendous amount of love and respect me
over the years. And I've got nothing but tremendous amount
of love and respect for New Orleans and I will have.

Speaker 8 (45:20):
For the rest of my life. So at this point,
I just want to be valued.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, talk to me about the community service you've done
in New Orleans, because obviously you've been up for the
Walter Peyton Man of the Year multiple times and you
do a lot of great work. Talk about the passion
there Man.

Speaker 9 (45:34):
At first, again, it was it was sort of selfish
that I started talking to the middle schools and elementaries
and high schools around New Orleans. Honestly, I was just
trying to know my area, you know. So I was
driving out in Bataruge and I was talking to you know,
I was talking to people out it was a unis
and going to New Iberia and possibly like just seeing
what's out in the world. Like Man, for me being

(45:55):
from Arizona, I've got Chandler, timp Mesa, Scottsdale, Peoria, all
these surrounding cities that is just easily accessible in New Orleans.
And sometimes it just feels like it's New Orleans because
tenty five minutes away is your nearest city to get somewhere.
Baton Rouge, you know. But it's like, all right, so
what about these subdivisions? What am How can I impact
my community? I don't know much about the South, being
a West Coast kid. I know California, I know Arizona,

(46:17):
I know you know Southwest Mexican food, Like I don't it.

Speaker 8 (46:21):
It's a staple for me. I could to.

Speaker 9 (46:23):
I get to New Orleans and I'm meeting Gator bites
and boot and balls and oh it's a lockout year.
So I don't know anybody. I'm just like I got
dropped off in the South. Hey kid, figure it out.
No you don't have your sign up on this hit
yet because we don't if we're gonna have a season.
I'm like, it's it's me and I'm meeting people, and
I'm talking to the local bartenders. I'm talking to guys.
I mean that Best Buy guys, I mean a Target.

(46:43):
Hey man, you should try out this food. And the
greatest thing about the South is they're so endearing, they
bring you in. So after give it shown that much love,
I'm like, man, I gotta give back. So beyond just
talking to kids and high school is knowing where I'm at.
How can I help my community? Oh there's there's a
digital divide. How can I help break this down? Oh
there's an appairment of trust and relations between you know,
the police and as well in terms of how they're

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policing the public.

Speaker 8 (47:07):
How can I help that? You know, how do we
bring in how how.

Speaker 9 (47:10):
Do we bring in leaders to community leaders and introduce
that into you know, into the police force, and which
may help because they got transplant police officers that don't
know the lingo, they don't know the body mannerisms of
what it is to be a New Orleanian.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
How is it that I can.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
You know, sit here and talk about, you know, how
I want to help the next generation without actually going
to these schools. Seeing these schools and they got broken
binders and they've got you know, they don't have Wi
Fi in twenty twenty or something, or they don't have
the greatest science labs. And I'm like, yo, there's so
many avenues we get to How beyond just money give time,
give effort, you know, grant some of those Amazon wish
lists that teachers have because they're coming out of their

(47:45):
own pocket, which is crazy to me. They're not making
enough money to come out of pocket, and yet they do,
because that's the kind of heart to have. Or you
see all these people that give back, they're like, man,
how can I not want to get back as well?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Off the edge with Cam Jordan the podcast, I appreciate
the time, absolutely stay help.

Speaker 9 (48:00):
Appreciate for having me. That's about our tangent. Shout out
to the Cam Jordan Foundation. We were able to send
four kids the school last year. We just said another
four this year. We paid for all the tuition. The
legacy scholarship program that we've had over Cam Jordan Foundation
has been phenomenal and I can't wait to say one
day like, oh man, I've said, you know, this generation
is cool, not that it's.

Speaker 8 (48:18):
Able, but whatever money we raised, we're definitely trying to
push through to them.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
That's awesome. I appreciate it, thanks Camp. I watched some
of the Pro Bowl games, very little of them.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
The Pro Bowl games.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Oh yeah, no, that's called the Pro Bowl games now
flag football. That other games, so the ratings are disaster,
but they're supposed to be because everyone knows that's not
that interesting. But you actually, when you were a Pro
Bowl quarterback, you went to Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah, yeah, dude, that was the good old days.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
I just want to know what the experience was like.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
In general, it was incredible because one being named of
the Pro Bowl is obviously an honor. But then when
you get to that destination of Hawaii and you get
to stay at that hotel, you walking in, there's Ray
Lewis and Suggs and Matt Light and Peyton Manning and
Drew Brees and all these guys that you've watched over
the years be that successful. It's it's one of those

(49:30):
moments where you kind of pinch yourself right here amongst greatness.
And coach Belichick happened to be our coach that year?

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Is that because you won the Super Bowl the year before?
Is that how they coach?

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Oh, it's whoever loses in the AFC, AFC Championship and
NFC Championship the year. Yes, of that year they have
to go and coach in the Pro Bowl, or at
least they used to. Nowadays, the coach they got celebrity
coaching the coach. Yeah, but back.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
Then those guys not only did you lose.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
In the AFC Championship or the NFC Championship, but then
you have to go coach the Pro Bowl and so.
But the setup was so cool because it's only you
and your families. And I brought out my family, I
brought off my wife's family, some of my best friends
to experience it with me, because it's something that's special
for all of them and the people that support you

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through the years to give them access like that and
be around.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
But I mean, practice is a joke.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
You wake up in the morning, you go get I
went and got a workout in one morning. Peyton invited
me to go get a workout in, which was great,
but I was like.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
The workout you mean, like lift weights are thrown.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
He wanted to lift weights, so we went and lifted weights, dude,
and I thought, I was like on vacation, but I'm like, cool,
let's go, let's go lift weights. Then you go to
this practice that is walk through tempo. You're just trying
to learn the terminology that they put in front of
you the night before, and then after that you go
put your board shorts on and you're at the hotel

(50:54):
bar and it's you rip it up for the rest
of the day and hope that you wake up the
next day in time for practice. And that's really how
everybody's motive operation is. But it's a blast. You get
to know people to sit down, tell good stories, especially
guys that you've battled against that year. I think the
cool part was probably the first meeting we had that
both teams come into one room and the coaches talked

(51:16):
a little bit, but then Peyton Manninget got up and
gave an introductory speech and he's calling players out, like, hey,
just guys, let's just make sure that there's not a
camera around because that's when Ray Lewis will come up
and start start talking and doing all that stuff. But
he basically hammers people and all that stuff. But it's
just a cool environment of a bunch of guys that

(51:36):
you have respect for and that have obviously proven themselves.
And then the week itself goes by and the game's fantastic.
They sell out the crowd, but.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
The game itself as cool as it is. You're hitting
each other, but you're kind of playing half speed right
until he gets closer to the end.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Now, there's only one guy that I know that I
watched when I was out there that you got guys,
Adrian Peterson. When he touched the ball, He's going one
hundred and fifty miles an hour trying to run through
people's faces and every these eyes are like, dude, Adrian's
gonna get the ball. We got a man up right here.
So it is definitely competitive, and it's a tackle football
game and you see these guys. Competitive juices come out.

(52:14):
But the fourth quarter is really hey, that's where the
money is. Because you win the game, you get an
extra twenty's for the trip, especially if you got people coming.
I was like, come home, baby. We end up losing
the game by a touchdown or something like that, but
I mean, and then you go back and you have
this incredible celebration with all the coaches and the players
and the families, and they put out great food.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
And anybody get hurt.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
Nobody got hurt in our game, not that I know of.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
That's kind of the goal, right, Like the goal.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Is to leave in one piece, for sure, because the
last thing you want to do, especially at that time
of the year. And that's why I think it is
more tempoed in pace is because guys know the risk
of injury would be brutal at that at that time
of the year, in January, leading up to the next season,
already you're just to talk about God forbid somebody to
get a knee injury or something like that.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
So we're players like not cut blocking where.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
There are certain rules rules in place, there's no blitzing,
or if yeah, there was no blitzing, no cut blocks,
you only could play certain coverages. So it honestly is
an exhibition in its truest for him, and there's really
good players out there, there's no doubt about it, but
there are definitely constraints on what you can and cannot do.

(53:25):
And then also you get up to the bar and
like Matt Light would be sitting there next to Sugs
and be like, hey, you don't go hard on me.
I won't go hard on you or whoever he was
blocking that game. And so I remember in the game
at one point Matt's doing like swim hands where it's
like out in front of him and the guy's shimmering
in front of him like not rushing, and I was like,

(53:45):
oh wow, this is that took it to the next
level at least you kind of see some guys go
a little bit harder than others, but it was it
was a great experience.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Do you think they should have kept playing it full
padded because I can understand why they stopped doing that.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, I think that part of it was early on
and throughout its history, it was a game that was
an honor to go to, and it was the free
trip out there and all that. And then what I
believe started happening was a lot of guys weren't showing up,
maybe for risk of injury.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Some of them.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
You know, you get done with a playoff game, whether
you're Brady or somebody like that, and you you just look,
you don't want to go play another game and to
go out and travel. And so I think that they
were losing probably some of the guys that they really
wanted to showcase, and finally they said, it's not worth
these guys potentially getting injured playing tackle football. We'll just

(54:39):
make it a showcase somehow, some way, which has evolved
into what it is today.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Don't you think now at this point you just name
the Pro Bowl team that way, it's the literal Pro
Bowlers as well that's making the team. They hit their contract,
they get their incentive, first second, third string, Pro Bowl,
and then they're not having to find new people, and
then you get people that really didn't have Pro Bowl seasons.

(55:04):
Name didn't say anybody specifically, but I think if they
just named the Pro Bowl teams.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
Right, you name them and you like, I don't know.
I know that they're trying to fill airtime into all
that stuff, and people probably some people will tune in
to watch it.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
But might as well play Madden against each other exactly.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
I don't. I have no interest in watching that game play.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
It was a flag football game.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
They should honestly just send them on a trip out
to Waii and do the same thing without the game.
I mean, because if you're gonna spend that much money
anyway to go down to Florida and set up shop
and make a weekend that out.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Of it, didn't they San Francisco. I think now they've
brought people here. I'm almost positive that's where it was.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Okay, now we're gonna go over.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
We talked to Scott Hallenbeck, who is the CEO and
director of USA Flag Football, and we learned a lot
about it because we think we know football.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
I think we might have a chance.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Web we did not have a chance to play for
the national team.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
I don't know, dude, with your quickness.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I do not have quickness.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
I've seen you play pickotball. I'm telling you, I'm on
one ankle, and if a guy only rushes me from
seven yards away and he's not three hundred and fifty pounds,
I think I've got an opportunity to get the ball
out to you.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
This actually was pretty interesting.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
It was fascinating.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, and how they're trying to build it up for
the Olympics because there will be flag football in the Olympics.
And then we talk about NFL players. So here he
is Scott hallen Beck talking about flag football the United
States team. Hey, Scott, thanks for hanging out with us.
I got a lot of questions flag football. This is
gonna be a real thing at the Olympics. Like who's playing.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
It's a real thing. Absolutely, we I mean, first of all,
it'll likely be a combination. We're working through all those details.
Is the reality. So NFL players are eligible, Okay, so
I mean we're you know, we just had the Pro Bowl, right,
all the players are saying they're interested. And I was
just share with Matt that you know, this is it's
not your grandfather's flag football. I mean, this is really sophisticated.

(57:14):
It's five on five. It's a twenty five by fifty
yard field, so less than half the size of a
traditional football field, tack of football field, and it's you know,
it's man to man. It's you're on an island on
defense and offense. Even we had a game last night
Team USA versus Team XCO men, so the highest quality
players you know in the country right now playing what

(57:35):
effectively was our gold medal game because we didn't get
to have it in Panama during the Continental Championships. And
the end of the score was thirty five thirty four,
so a very competitive, high scoring, dynamic game. And these
are the best athletes. Now you try to layer in
NFL players in the process, is how are we going
to teach them this very different style of football.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
My question would be with these NFL players you talked
about the commitment level, talk a little bit about what
that means if they do commit to doing this in
the pool that they have to go into, but also
from the drug testing policies and everything like that. It's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, So it's just there's a The Olympic movement has
a lot of sort of policies and procedures and bureaucracy
like probably any you know, major sporting organization. So and
it's a different world. So, for example, we're looking at
the concept of next summer having what we're going to
call acclamation camps. So we'll bring in NFL players, we'll
teach them again this this version of football five on five,
Olympic fives as we call it, and you know, we'll

(58:33):
see what comes out of that. But the moment we
create a pool of athletes, you know, elite flag football players,
non pros and some number of pros you become you
are now followed by the IOC and you're in what
they call where about testing, So you have to tell
them where you're going to be at all times, and
the World Anti Doping Association can you come to your

(58:54):
house and do testing. So we need to make sure
the players understand all of this detail. Not to mention
in twenty eight you're going to go through a process
of trials to training camps building towards Olympics, not unlike
an NFL season, we'll have cut down camps and eventually
traditionally we're twelve players on a roster. In the Olympics,
we can only have ten, so it's even tighter. So

(59:16):
we're gonna have to work with them. But you're likely
not gonna get any vacation time at all. In all
of twenty eight. You have to go through your entire
regular schedule for NFL and then squeeze in something called
the Olympics as well, and go right back to the
twenty eight NFL season.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
How's the NFL reacted to these players coming straight from
games to play Olympics, to go back and the possible
worst case scenario an injury happened.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Obviously that's yeah, absolutely not what anybody wants. But the
NFL is all in. I mean they've given credit. I've
been working for twenty years at the NFL and they
this is number one their biggest growth strategy internationally and
it's working incredibly well with obviously the addition of their
international games. So the owners have already made the commitment.
They've said one player per NFL team can be on

(01:00:02):
one of the country team. So in the Olympic movements,
obviously it's USA Canada, Mexico, et cetera. There will only
be six men's and six women's teams. It's not that
many openings. So so I mean they want as many
NFL players on as many of those teams as they
can possibly get. That's what we're being told. So there's
a real commitment to this on their end, and right now,

(01:00:24):
both sides, the League office, USA Football, the International Federation,
we're all working together to figure out exactly how this
is going to work.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
And if you're a betting man, though, how many of
those ten spots do you think actually would go to
an NFL player, Because you're also the pool of players
that you're talking about here. They're all going to be
skilled players, right going to We're not talking about defensive lineman,
offensive lineman. You're talking about highly skilled short area quickness,
all those different elements that you have to have to

(01:00:51):
play this game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
That's exactly right, I honestly, I mean, it could be
one NFL player could be ten the way I look
at it, and you know, I'm not even in the
room making the final decision. So is offensively, quarterbacks granted
smaller tighter windows, tighter space on a twenty five x
fifty yard field. They'll pick that up. It's all a
matter of how much time do they really have. How

(01:01:14):
serious are they about this opportunity to represent the country
and get a gold medal. No one wants to risk
losing the gold medal. Rogers said that the league, everyone's
on board with that, like, we cannot lose the gold medal.
But I will tell you the international the quality of
the international competition has dramatically improved real quick. The way
it works is the moment you're in the Olympic Games,

(01:01:35):
now all of your government funding and everyone else in
the world gets government funding, not the US. They just
starting to get flooded with funding and money to improve
the quality of their players and their teams and so forth.
So everyone's getting better. So we expect real, real competitive
flag football over there. But I would guess offensively probably

(01:01:55):
most of the players. Defensively, when you have to pull
flags deconstruct a defensive player from it's no contact. You
literally can't put your hands on the receivers. You got
to be running side by side with them. They're moving
all over the place, They're dipping and spinning these crazy
movement skills. You have to see it to understand it.
To do that, I mean, I think that's going to
take a little time. But again, we are talking about

(01:02:17):
absolute freak athletes in the league, so I get that.
So that's why the acclimation camps are so important. Invest
some time together to understand this and we may be
absolutely blown away and like, okay, there's ten guys, no question,
or again there's some mix for what it's worth. I
actually worked for the US Olympic Committee way back in
the day with the Dream Team, the original Dream Team
in ninety two, so I was there. I mean, that

(01:02:39):
was an incredible moment. I actually think it's kind of
cool to think of NFL players with non NFL players
going for it and trying to win gold medal. I
just personally think that's a neat, neat concept.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
A couple of dumb guy rule questions. Number one, you
said only mandaman so kind of like in the NBA
no Zone. And then two, you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Just can't play it. It's not technically a rule. You
just you they'll pick you apart if you're not just
playing mand a man the whole game.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
And then two, what's the rushing the quarterback rule?

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Okay, so great question.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Yeah, So seven on seven is a one yard rush.
It's five on five is a seven yards back rush,
and in seven. In seven you actually can try to
impede the rush and you can't use your hands, but
you can try to use your body, and five on
five you can, So it's a free shot to the quarterback.
And what often happens is in a five setup, like
the center is an eligible receiver, he might drop back

(01:03:33):
and you could have a dual quarterback threat. So the
moment you throw a ball, it has to be a
you know, backwards pass. Now all of a sudden, you
can run. So there's elements like that that just make
the game more dynamic. We even have three quarterback sets sometimes,
so they'll drop back and guys will all of a
sudden peel off and go out and run. So it's
the game is evolving sort of right between our eyes
and right before our eyes right now and becoming very

(01:03:56):
innovative on the offensive end the defensive side.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
And so, how many international competitions will you guys have
every year that you can actually scout the opponents that
you might play against and all that and learn about
what we might be going up against in terms of competition.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Great question, so that traditionally, once a year, the International
Federation of American Football we call IFATH has a World Championship.
So this summer, there's a World Championships every even year
twenty six, twenty eight, thirty, and then in odd years
you have Continental Championships. This is the way the Olympic
movement works. So every year there's a big competition like
that in addition to a World Games and now the Olympics.

(01:04:33):
So we have to host more like soccer does friendlies,
exhibitions like we did last night, and we'll create what
we call the or are creating what we call the
Rivalry Series. So now we'll do it once a quarter
to invite teams in Mexico, Canada, Italy, believe it or not, Germany, Australia,
Panama is coming on. Japan is like students of the game.

(01:04:54):
They're just super locked in on this and super disciplined.
It's really interesting how follows the culture. But yeah, we
have to play as many of those games as we
possibly can because the rest of the world's catching up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I would think for the promotion of the game, just me,
you would want a couple of NFL guys and really
somebody known to be an ambassador, right because we as
fans will go, wow, I'll just use Jamar Chase. Why
Jamar Chase is playing on the flag football team. We
got to see what this is. Have you had and
you don't have to say who, but have you had
early indication that there are a couple of NFL guys
that are super interested in doing it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Yes, So I believe it or not, there's there's a lot.
I think it's the respectful filtering process of explaining like, Okay,
this is really what this means, and this is you
know how you got we got to work together to
start all that out. So the short answer is absolutely,
there's real genuine interest and very much some of the
names you already mentioned, but ultimately sort of who's who's

(01:05:46):
sitting there at the end of this process is you
know what we're trying to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:50):
And talk to me about from a female standpoint too,
because the females are going to be playing in the
Olympics as well, yes, in the flight football, and how
is the competition for the female side comparatively speaking to
the males.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
So in both it's grown rapidly as oh my gosh,
literally in my thirty years of being a sport, I've
never seen anything scale faster. Again, you probably know these things,
but already sixteen states with girls flags of varsity sport.
The NCAA just passed it as an emerging sport for women.
So literally, the sort of structure of the vertical, if
you will, for girls and women is already built out
and it's going to be a professional league next year.
So they've built the entire thing in like four years.

(01:06:24):
It's incredible. So there's something in the Olympic movement called
talent transfer. And just think, so think of any sport
you're just a flat out athlete. So we're talking you know,
track athletes, basketball, volleyball, soccer, lacrosse, you name it. They're
coming to football, particularly on the girls and women's side,
because it sort of hasn't been open to them, right,
and now they're coming. I mean apparently we hear, you know,

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girls that are absolutely rock stars in soccer are giving
up soccer to come to flag football. And again there's
already scholarships now the Division one all the way down
to Division three are starting to offer and now there's
nil money. I mean, it's just the floodgates are opened.
So there's some seriously good athletes on the women's side
and will only continue to get back.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
So as part of you guys growing goals, then to
get high schools to have teams, and because again if
they start in high school, then they go to college
a scholarship in il then they play. I would assume
this is assume there's some sort of evolutionary project, right
like you would like even middle schools to eventually have
women's flag football teams.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I mean, so we USA Football as a governing body
are providing all the resources and standards for you know,
this is how you train your coaches, is the rules,
this is the right standards, This is how you protect
your athletes, background checks, all those kinds of things. And
then yes, empower as many leaders in youth sport like
you normally have in any other sport leagues, travel teams, tournaments,

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that sort of thing. And then yes, and if it's
going to go into this classic side and the girls
and women already has on the boys side, it's still
traditionally tackle football, so it's likely going to be a
slightly different model. I suspect again all this, to your
point is evolving, but girls to women's already has a
strong youth base moving into middle school and high school,
and how college is coming on and again amazingly next

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year there will be a professional league for women and men,
so that side is pretty well structured. On the boys side,
it sort of starts really strong in the youth. They
tend to go to tackle, which we support as well,
of course, and now we're working on that talent transfer.
So how do you go identify track athletes and basketball
athletes and other athletes in high school that want to

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come play flag football?

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
So do you think that flag football will be a
staple in the Olympics for the long stay?

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Certainly that's our hope if I was a betting person.
The NFL is again all into this. I mean, this
is their international growth strategy. So I know for a
fact that Roger has taken multiple trips down to Australia
and is working The NFL is working closely with our
counterparts down there, the Australian government, who's going to host
in twenty thirty two in Brisbane. So I know there's

(01:09:02):
a lot of interest, and I know the IOC is
super excited about working with the NFL. So that all
the pieces and the ingredients are there for continued success,
and we're supposed to learn as early as probably late
twenty six if it's in the twenty thirty two Olympics.
So certainly the hope.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Is yes, Scott, we appreciate the time. It's exciting. I'm
anxious to see like how this develops leading up to
the LA Olympics. I think that'll be super fun, super
fun to follow. Thank you very much, Thank.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
You, Kim, Bobby and I try out. Yes, that's the
next question.

Speaker 10 (01:09:32):
On the angles getting back dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Okay, so we're gonna go and talk to Rob Wriggles.
So when we were at the Super Bowl last week,
we spent a little time with Rob Wriggles. No, I don't.
I didn't know him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
No, I only met him one time, and that's the correct, dude.
And it was awesome. Yeah, it was a charity charity
like softball or baseball event. It was a baseball but
it was like a softer ball but they were actually pitching,
and it was one of the coolest events I've been to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I can see where he's funny, Like he's just funny,
even if he's not trying to be funny. He's a
funny guy, but he's also massive.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah, and he was a marine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
So here he is comedian and actor Rob Wriggle. Rob's
doing all kind of classic movies Step Brothers, Talladega, Knights, Hangover,
twenty one, Jump Street. The list goes on and on,
and so we talk about comedies and dramas, and here
he is Rob Wriggle, Rob, good to see you, man, Hey,
nice to see you. I feel like everybody gravitates toward you.

(01:10:49):
I've been watching you walk around. Everybody's coming to Rob
Wriggle show.

Speaker 11 (01:10:51):
Well, I don't know about that, but this place is
busy as back. A lot going on for sure.

Speaker 8 (01:10:57):
But that's Radio Row.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
That's what it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I want to ask you a question. I did Running
Wild with Bear Girls twice. Yes, I know you did
that show twice. Yes, yes, there's only three of us.
Me and Tatum are the only ones to do it twice.

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
That's great company, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
That show for me was insanely cool. Did you ever
feel scared because you have a different background than I
do of like good manly stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:11:22):
The last time we had to jump out of a
helicopter a perfectly good helicopter, and I'm talking free fall,
not the repelling we repelled at the top of the show.
We repelled out of the helicopter. That was interesting, and
I was.

Speaker 8 (01:11:36):
Okay with that.

Speaker 11 (01:11:38):
It was the fourteen thousand foot on oxygen, going up, up, up,
and then jumping out that got my attention.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
I feel like because of your background, and they made
it harder on you, maybe a little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:11:51):
Yeah, but bears Still, he's pretty fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Isn't he awesome?

Speaker 11 (01:11:53):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Like as a dude, like I felt so cups.

Speaker 11 (01:11:56):
I would never take the chances that I took with
anybody else, but with him and his group, I was like, yeah,
I'll jump out of.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Play if you say so. Yeah, I belie.

Speaker 11 (01:12:05):
Do you want me to get in a ring with
a tiger?

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
Absolutely, I did that too.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Look, I don't have the same experiences.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Okay, I haven't jumped.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
You only have an NFL cre Why don't you guys
just talk.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Out the city conversation.

Speaker 11 (01:12:18):
I've never had a two hundred and fifty pound angry
linebacker trying to rip my head from my shoulders.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
It's a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
That's a lot of fear too. I would have imagine there.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Were times where I would go into a game and
there was trepidation. There was like, I'm gonna get hit
so hard today. Maybe because it was the lack of
confidence in the offensive line. Maybe it was just that
guy's really good and it's gonna hurt. But yeah, there
was definitely fear going into games.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Wow, he didn't have the Bear Girls faith that we had.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
We had it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:46):
Yeah, it was an absurd faith too to a certain degree.
Jerry Seinfeld has a joke about that where he talks
about how he sits in the back of a New
York City cab, doesn't put on his seat belt. It
just looks out the window like it's a video game.
It's like, oh, that was dangerous.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
Ooh that was close.

Speaker 11 (01:13:01):
That's kind of how I was with Bear, you know.
It was like, oh, you know, all these amazing things
are happening around me, and I'm like, but I'm okay,
I'm with Bear.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
What do people come up to you and know you
from the most? Is there a character they know you?
Do they yell at you?

Speaker 11 (01:13:16):
I get a lot of quotes from The Hangover and
Step Brothers.

Speaker 8 (01:13:21):
You get a lot of pals.

Speaker 11 (01:13:23):
I get a lot of pals I get a lot.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
Of not up in here.

Speaker 11 (01:13:26):
I get a lot of not you fat Jesus, you
know in the face.

Speaker 8 (01:13:31):
I get a lot of that.

Speaker 11 (01:13:34):
The other guys I get some stuff from that too.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
And yeah, so do you ever want to do just
a really serious like done?

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
I've just now started to get offered dramas. Is that
where you were going?

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, that's exactly what it was.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:13:47):
So, for whatever reason, you know, Hollywood is in a
weird state. I don't know how to describe it. It's
the paradigm has shifted. It's all upside down, so things
don't work like they used to, and no one can
explain it. It's really inexplicable. And so they're not making
a lot of comedies, they're not making a lot of films,
but they are still making things. So it's weird television shows.

(01:14:10):
There are a lot of things going on there, but
it's all binge watching. It's not MUSTLEYTV anymore, so it's
a different vibe. As a result, there's not a whole
lot of comedies being made, but a lot of dramas.
So I've been actually last year I did four films,
three of them dramas, one comedy.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
Is that a comfort zone for you to just switch
from that comedic act.

Speaker 11 (01:14:30):
I love comedy, so I'm a fan of comedy. If
I was given a comedy script or a drama script,
I would do the comedy script.

Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
But I do love.

Speaker 11 (01:14:38):
The artistic freedom I guess to pursue other there's more
than there should be more than one pedal on your flower,
you know, And so I always appreciate the opportunity to
do dramas because it's a muscle. I don't get to
exercise very often, and I love it. I do, so
getting to do those dramas this past year was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
What do you do all weekend? Because you're doing a
lot of stuff? Like what is it? NonStop normal?

Speaker 11 (01:15:05):
It is the last three years the Chiefs have been
in the Super Bowl. I'm a super diehard Chiefs fan.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Man knows about this.

Speaker 11 (01:15:11):
So, yeah, it's pacing yourself. There's a lot of activities,
a lot of fun things going on this year. I'm
up here at supporting the Pat Tillman Foundation. I'm actually
gonna be the starter for their the Pats Run, which
is a race they've done for twenty two years now
in Tempe, Arizona on April eleventh. You can go to

(01:15:32):
patsrun dot org to get more.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Information hats run.

Speaker 11 (01:15:36):
Or PTF dot org, either one to learn about the
foundation and what they do. They're they're really a great foundation.
They support veterans and veterans families and do a lot
of good work. But this run is you know, it's
grown every year and she's got bigger and better. And
I was very honored to be asked to be the
starter for it, and I just like, I like the foundation.

(01:15:59):
I really believe in what Pat Tillman did. I mean,
if you talk about leadership, you talk about service before selling,
if you talk about sacrifice, there's no greater story than
Pat Tillman. So I'm a veterer myself, and therefore I
see what he did, what he what he gave up
to serve it. Really it moves me. So it's an honor.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
An really appreciate the time. Yeah, busy man, great, very
great to see you.

Speaker 11 (01:16:26):
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
All right, that'll do it for this week. Thank you
guys for uh being with us through this football season.
Just so you know, we have a big announcement. We
are retiring just for today. We'll be back next week.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Yeah, we'll be back off season, in his off season.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Maybe we'll take some time, you know, take some off
season time. Now, we'll be back very soon. I don't
think we're gonna go next week, are we? Because you
got a little.

Speaker 5 (01:16:55):
Something, I got a little some I got a little
anniversary coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Baby, What if I if I I come back and
it's like me and who would be your Brady doesn't count?
Who would like be somebody that if I came back.

Speaker 7 (01:17:09):
With you're trying to replace guest host God Dannehill was
so good Castle. Honestly, let's take two weeks off of
both both.

Speaker 4 (01:17:19):
Weeks there's episodes release.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
We will not be here next week as far as
you know, but after that we'll be back. Thank you
guys for being with us all football season. That's Matt Castle,
That's Brandon Ray, That's kick Off Kevin and Bobby Blon,
who's had lots to say goodbye. Everybody lots to say
with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Is a production of

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