Lots to Say: Wonders of the World and NFL Network's Lance Zierlein

Bobby Bones and Matt Cassel share some parenting thoughts on doctors visits and eating vegetables, some of which Matt grows on his own!  Matt explains making the mistake of eating a ghost pepper that he had grown.  How many of the 'Wonders of the World' can you name?

NFL Network's Lance Zierlein looks at questions around the Seahawks and moving forward after winning the Super Bowl.  What kind of year are you hoping for from CJ Stroud?  Bobby asks about the future of Arch Manning and this season's Draft class of QBs.  Lance reveals what he hopes to see in Las Vegas with Kirk Cousins and Fernando Mendoza. Lance also explains why he has high hopes for the Cowboys this season and why Josh Allen could struggle.  

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
We got lost, just say.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
We got lost?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
To say what better here?

Speaker 3 (00:21):
And we hope you say because.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
We got lost to say, yeah we got lost, just say.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Here's everybody, welcome to the show. I want to finish here.
We have our four month.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Baby doctor appointment. Big deal.

Speaker 5 (00:42):
He has the second one. I think we had one
at two months.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Two months they'd really check weight and do all that stuff,
make sure she's getting what she needs nutritionally.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Was now we're doing that again today four months?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
And thought it was like a six month you know what?

Speaker 5 (00:55):
Okay, so we're just going in every two months for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's your first.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
I think we went it like two days, and then
I think we wanted a month, and then we went
three months later, which is today, and then we don't
go back for like.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I guarantee you go back before the year's up for
some other shock up there. Six month, Yeah, that's two
months from now. Do another one is the big one? No,
this is a big one. I don't know they're all big.
I have no idea. All I know it changed. Has
I got a change?

Speaker 5 (01:28):
To do chext for my wife saying, hey, don't spend
too much time talkie football, you know, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Don't worry, honey, We'll talk about our doctor's appointment. Yeah. So,
so the episode's over, thank you, go get it. Got
that and uh, are these are the ones where they
because six months I thought always they got like their shots.
That's when they start getting on meil. Yeah, and just
be prepared for that one. It's crazy because they come
in and they do them in the thighs because it's
just and they sit there and they don't even know

(01:53):
how to respond. At first they go and they they
can't even make a sound, and then they just start
screaming like crazy. But shots is a big deal.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
That's a big deal for me. I don't want shots
in my thigh.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Dude. Nobody likes shots. So they're getting like their shots
or are you one of those holistic like, yeah, we're
not giving shots.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
One of the greatest inventions ever in the history of
the world is the vaccine.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yes, and the history of the world.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I was reading about a woman that died of polio
last week. Now you would think, how did someone die
a polio? Was she was in her eighties, and when
she was five, she got polio and they had to
put her on what the machine they would call an
iron lung. Okay, so it's not actually a long. It's
a machine that would help you breathe. So if you
got polio, you wrecked back in the day, oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So they but she got sold explained that, like, it's
not actually an iron lung that they put in their thing.
It's just actually oxygen. I figured that at five years old.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
You speak to me like, no, I know, because I
didn't If someone said that had iron long, I would
have thought they had a fake long in them.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, I just kind of put two and two together.

Speaker 5 (03:00):
And think, sometimes is five to me?

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Really heavy kid?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
At that point, mostly I was just talking back to
me through you because I wasn't sure what an iron
I would have.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Thought it was a fake long.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I didn't know, and I had to learn it was
a breathing machine they just called the iron lung.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
So yeah, it wasn't towards you. I think it was
towards me.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
No, I think you're talking down to me. But it's okay.
I figured it out.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
She died recently because already there were there was nobody
else to fix the iron long everybody aged out. Then
you how to fix the old machine, and the machine
got old. They didn't have a new.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
One when she had that thing since she was five
years old. Yeah, she had polio, right, but she had
the iron lungs since and it would get fixed and updated.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
And she just died. And she made it a long
time because she got polio when she was five. And
my point is, you know why we don't get polio anymore?

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Vaccineses. Yeah, everything from measles and all that stuff. It's
all that you can get vaccinated for it.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Now we're all going to get let us diarrhea.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I heard about that in Florida.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
No, everywhere it's it's there's probably some in Florida.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I saw a bunch of stuff in Florida. If you
had violent diarrhea.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
I mean, this is a Tampa day.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Honestly, it's like, yeah, you went to Disneylanders thing, but
it is.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
It is a wildly dangerous strain that Michigan, Ohio, basically
all the big ten states. That's where it started. But
now I think it's spread to thirty two states. And
when you hear explosive diarrhea, you think that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
But this is a lasts ten days.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
This is people.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
The last ten days, people are dying because they get
so dehydrated. And so you have to either naughty vegetables
at all right now, or wash them so much or
cooked them at like one hundred and fifty eight degrees.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Again, I don't want explosive diarrhea for ten days. Nobody
wants that.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
The first time I saw it, I thought, oh, so
that's that's the flu.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
He he diarrhea.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
But it's killing people.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's wild because there's a virus. Usually it goes around
once a year around the school where kids start coming
home and then one grade to the next grade, he's
got it.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Oh my god, no, you start dying, making another restroom.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
No, but one grade gets it. And sometimes it'll be
kids are just start throwing up, and then kids are
in the classroom like it and start throwing up when
they come home they got diarrhea. But it's usually like
you said, three four days, it's a stomach bug. It
goes away. This sounds like it's really just intensified.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
It's called cyclospora. It will take two to fourteen days
to show up. After infection, you'll lose possibly up to
ten pounds a week.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I need to get on that.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's the one hell of a diet, you know. So
it's gonna drink a lot of Gatorad.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Watch out for that one.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, don't go.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Do you have kids that like vegetables and some that don't?
All My kids, for the most part, like vegetables.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
We don't have any of that are just like Actually,
i'd say that's my youngest daughter, Lily. She really does
not like vegetables. But if you cook it the right
way or certain things like she'll eat and ammay and
she'll eat certain things like that. But a plain salad
with unless it has like range dressing on it or
something that tastes good. Not a big fan. How old
is she eight? You think at this point she'd start

(06:11):
to acquire her taste. No, not at all.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
I don't know if I know many eight year olds
that like salads.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Though, Well, when you doll it up and stuff, you
should still have some vegtable. We tried to explain to
her it's healthy for her. She didn't get that yet.

Speaker 5 (06:24):
I need a do Alda for me. I mean, I
like okra regardless but it's something like Brussels sprouts where
people don't actually like for the most part, Brussels sprouts.
People like everything people have done to Brussels sprouts.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you put that on. Hey, give me a little
goat cheese on top. I'm good. You like okra?

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Oh yeah, because my grandma made it all the time Friday.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I'm growing okra in my garden right now. I'm going
to bring you some next week. How about the garden guy,
I am. I've over the last few years, we've got
six big gardening beds, like four by eight, and I've
done different types of tomatoes. I have okra, I have watermelon, canialope. No,
I did zucchini once since not a good vegetable to

(07:06):
grow because you just it grows in abundance and you
don't know what to do with zucchini. There's just not
enough that you can do with it. Cucumbers this year,
sweet potatoes.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Why did you start gardening?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well? Why not? I got a little time on my hand,
so go out there, and we had this space, so
I just figured I'd go out and start a garden.
I had no idea what I'm doing at first, and
then over time you start reading about the nutrients and
the soil, the plants that you need to plant with
other plants to protect that, the flowers that need to
go in the gardening bread to keep the pest away.
I'm on it, dude, I'm impressed. Yeah, never cease to amaze. Hey,

(07:40):
just trying to do, you know, better myself, a little
hobby here and there. What do you do when it's
so hot? Right now, we've been lucky this last was
it a week and a half. We have rain almost
every day, which I'm like, because I don't have to
go out and water those for about two weeks straight.
I'm out there for about an hour. It's like, oh
my god, you can't water them enough. They're going to

(08:02):
strivele up and die. But now that we've got this rain,
like these months, student's coming through. It's money. I just
go out and get the stuff. And I did a
bunch of peppers too, Julapenios. I did ghost peppers. This
is a funny story. Fourth of July, we have ghost
peppers growing in I was like, oh, we've got ghost peppers.
I'm telling the group that's over at the house. I
go and cut one off and everybody's like like spicy stuff.

(08:24):
So the kids were kind of sitting around something like
all this. I was like, let's all take a bite
of the ghost pepper. I took a little bite. I've
never had a ghost pepper in my life. I don't
even know why I did. It. Took a bite. Everybody
starts taking a bite. I mean, people were dying. I'm
never going to eat a ghost pepper ever. I'm never
gonna grow ghost pepper. Get it was so hot, my son,
I've got a picture of literally tears coming to us

(08:46):
with this huge doll up of yogurt in his mouth,
trying to just get the fire. It would not go away.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
I don't think I've ever had a ghost pepper. I
don't like peppers really, but I do know ghost peppers
are often when they do those extremely hot chips.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Mm that it's ghost peppers. That's the hottest pepper. We'll
bring some in. We'll do one on the show. Good.
I'm good. I'm not a pepper. I got tabasco coing too,
Sabasco peppers. I got all kinds of stuff in. It's great. Basil.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Is that therapeutic for you?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
It is to a certain extent, and it's also amazing
to actually put stuff on the ground and watch you
can create your own produce for your family. I did
let us for about two months before it got too hot,
and then took that out and I'll re plant some
in the fall. But the sweet potatoes are almost there,
so we've got I didn't know that sweet potatoes also
were so viny. There's a lot of these viny plants.

(09:36):
They're everywhere. The vine's coming off of the gardening bed.
And then we've planted a bunch of flowers in the backyard.
Peggy Martin's, if you know, are from the beautiful, beautiful
vines grow up over stuff. Gorgeous. So yeah, I'm kind
of into it.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Matt Castle theory number seventy three. He just loves creating life.
He has a million kids and then no more kids,
so then he's just going to create in the yard
and there's new life. And listen, do you talk about it.
You're just so passionate about creating life.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You know you've got to do there's something about it
if you have the space and you can go out.
And it was just kind of a pet project. I
was going, I wonder if we could actually grow some
stuff back here. Wife orders these whatever they are, they're
almost like metal, but they're pretty cool. They're online somewhere
four by eight. And I didn't know what to do.

(10:25):
The hardest part was filling up those damn things with
enough material on the bottom and then the soil levels,
because you've got two different types of soil, and the
one on top is your top soil that's got to
be enriched and all that stuff. But all the other stuff,
I was going out chainsawing trees to put these huge
clusters of basically logs at the bottom, to set a

(10:47):
base on there, and then fill it up with wood
chips and then go first layer, second layer. I had
no idea what I'm doing, but thank God for chatchbt yah. Seriously, again,
you can take a picture of anything and it would
be like, do this, this and this.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
When you were playing. Did you ever use a chainsaw?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
No? I did not. It wasn't until I mean I
knew how to use the chainsaw.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah no, yeah, I figure you did, but I but
would you avoid it?

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Because yes, I'm calling somebody, Hey, can you I got
a down tree, this that or the other, please come over.
I do remember being in my backyard here in Tennessee,
and I was trying to chainsaw this this one log
slipped underneath my foot that it was stabilized on. Chainsaw
comes down, gets the top of my thigh. You can
probably still see you see that scar.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Oh, I got you.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
So I had jeans on and it went and I go, oh, God,
that's bad. So I ripped open the jeans and then
all you see this huge blood spot on the top.
I'm going, please, God, don't get into the muscle. And
I looked flesh wound.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Come on, sir, We're fine, God, We're fine.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
I did an episode because I had a season of
the show called Breaking Bobby Bones, where I went into
Lake Tahoe and these guys that would maintain trees to
prevent forest fires super gnarly, right crazy. So I did
their job with them for a day. And so what
I had to do was first they climb trees with

(12:25):
a rope. It's around your waist. It's just a rope,
and the rope goes over the tree and then you
lean back and then you just take the rope. But
and that's crazy because you're high and it's just a rope.
But you've got an on hanging chainsaw on you the
whole time, and it's on because you can't get up
to the top of the tree and then start pulling

(12:46):
to Oh, it's it's on the whole time, which is
so scary, but it makes sense because you can't get
to the top of the tree and then start trying
to pull it to turn it right. Yes, so scare
me to death. I don't like heights anyway. So I'm
learning how to do the rope and it's you know,
you you dig your feet in. Your feet are so
dug in that you're able to lift the rope up.

(13:08):
Then you take your feet out and you climb, and
they're going to the top of these trees and I'm slow,
but I'm getting to the mid top and the chainsaws
hanging on a rope and it's it's on. And then
you get up and you have to clean the tops
of these trees because what they're wanting to do is
make sure that when a forest fire does hit, because
it will eventually just because of lightning, right, that it

(13:30):
doesn't run rampant because of all of the extra brush
at the top of the trees.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
For sure, So you're basically taking all the limbs off
of the top.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
So we're climbing the top of these trees with chainsaws,
and I just I know this is the episode, but
I'm going to lose something finger hand arm. You come
in hold fore fing, fore finger, Bobby, I don't even
like climb. Scared to death to climb, and this chainsaw
is on. And so when that episode was over, Because

(13:57):
I did a little chainsaw work back in the day,
not a lot, I'm comfortable with the chainsaw, but climbing
a tree with the chainsaw is no joke.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Was that the gnarliest thing you did on that.

Speaker 5 (14:08):
It was probably the most dangerous, realistically speaking. The scariest
was over the top of the Grand Canyon, which was
the first episode. It was miserable. I remember just finishing
that episode and going out. I'm not I'm not doing
the show.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
You're like, okay.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
For about fifteen minutes, my wife, I'm working in the contract.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
The liability probably waiver that you had to sign on
all these episodes, too, had to be astronomical.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
My wife would go to some of the shoots with me,
and that when she went because she had never seen
the Grand Canyon either.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
If he's beautiful, right, that's what I've heard. I've never
been there.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
I think almost nothing lives up to the hype. Really,
the Grand Canyon, you can't hype it enough. I've never
seen anything to that scale that is just that majestic
and it's life altering, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
One of the seven World Wonders? Right that? The Pyramids,
the Great Wall of China, possibly seven Wonders of the World,
seven Owners of the World.

Speaker 5 (15:07):
Yeah, that was a really, really scary one. My wife
put headphones in because she gets she wanted it here.
They're like, you here to take some headphones so she
could hear me struggling to even get out over because
I'm on one rope over four thousand feet over the top.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hearing you, please God get me through this. You're saying
that our fathers and I don't. I just couldn't go.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
I was like, I can't, I can't do it. My
pants pull up. Seven Wonders of the World. Let's see
how many weekend name. Okay, I don't know if the
Grand Canyon is one. If it isn't, it should be,
so could you just tell it? If the Grand Canyon
is one.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
The Grand Canyon is not.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Okay, it should be it's amazing. Okay, you go first,
pick one of the seven Wonders of the World.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Pyramids. Yes, Great Wall of China. I already named that
when you can. No, I'm just kidding. You don't own it.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I own it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Great Wall China, Great Wall of China. Yes, seven, there's
gotta be one here, right, Oh Mount Everest? Mount Everest? No,
are are any of them natural? None of them are natural? Huh,

(16:15):
They're all man made.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
You don't have to tell us. But are any natural?
Because is Hoover Damn one of them? No, it should be, Yeah,
it should have definitely.

Speaker 7 (16:25):
Yeah, one, I mean want to know for sure if
talk my head here. One is no not natural? Sorry,
So all them are man made? All seven quote wonders.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Of the world. Yeah, you're you're.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Not giving me full confidence here, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
No, I'm just reading through them all just to make sure.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Okay, let's work as a team here.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
How about like the Buddhist temple.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
So like the taj Mahal. I don't know if that
would be a but it's not huge. It may be
beautiful and.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's pretty well known.

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, we're gonna have three strikes from here out. We're
gonna go taj Mahal correct in India.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, A nailed that, so China.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
But some thing like the Eiffel Tower would be a
wonder of the world, really cool. It was actually built
for the World's Fair, I believe in the eighteen nine
I think here, but the Eiffel Tower. You don't see
it and go, you know, you don't go wow, look
out like large or awesome it is. You go wow,

(17:26):
that's the thing I've seen my whole life. I never
got to see in person.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Kind of like saying statue of liberty, where you'd be like,
it's not one of the wonders.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
I commend you for how you pronounce liberty because I
say it like a lier. Yeah there's what in Europe?

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Are these so easy that we're just we're just dumb?
I would say, two of them.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
We've got pyramids?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Oh what about what about the gladiators? The Colosseum.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Oh that's a good one. Do we want to go
with that? You feel what else we got colsseum?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yep? Have you ever been? Huh? No, I know you have.
It's the greatest.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Yeah, you go and that you first, you go, well,
I got a guide and my wife gets so on, Well,
you get because I want to get a guide for everything.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I want to ask all the questions.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
And I'm talking to the guide, and the guide says,
you know, you watch the Gladiator.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm like, watch it, heck yeah, love it. Halloween yeah uh.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
And so a lot of either prisoners or just people
who come who came from tragically bad economic situations would join.
And if you win enough, you're then a higher class.
So you just and so they would go and fight,
and if they want enough, they'd be celebrated and they'd

(18:44):
basically be graduated out.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
And they get their citizenship.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Well, you could even be a citizen and if you
had if you were extremely poor, you could go and fight,
and you basically live in the camp and you fight
people and you kill them, and let's say you win
four or five fights, and then all of a sudden
you get out and you get money and you're just
a higher class.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's a pretty hard way to make a living, but
it might be worth it if you're just like a
peasant and struggling. I'm going to fight and learn how
to fight in the colsseum. All right, colseum.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
There's no floor in the coliseum. When you get there,
because they rip it all out so you can see
all of the tunnels and elevators, and like, that's why
it looks all messed up in the pictures.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You guys ever been, Yeah, amazing, that's why it looks
all messed.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Up in the pictures. You're like, well, why would you
want to walk on that though? They've they've torn it
out so you can see like where they would feed
the animals through so they could lift them up.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Some more craziest stuff that when they used to flood
it too, Yeah, and do ship battles. They really had
a theatrical sense about them in a violent nature wild.

Speaker 5 (19:39):
Okay, is the Eiffel Tower on there?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
That it's not on there? Oh? Sistine Chapel?

Speaker 5 (19:47):
You know, I have no problem with that? What else
am I going to guess? How about the Vatican?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
No?

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Okay, I didn't hate the I didn't hate the guess.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So we're down. That's two strikes. Yeah in Spain with
the Golden Dome one, Well, that's that's not in Spain,
that's im Paris.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah whatever, Like no Treom the one that caught fire.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah that was in Paris. Yeah, that's what I think
I believe so take that out. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Do you know Kevin lived in Europe?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
No? Did he really in Spain for three months?

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Went overseas for scholars or something? Yeah, my sister did that.
We're no idea she was over there. He's got to
be something in terms of Okay, where would.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, can I give you a country? Brazil? Okay? Jesus
Tall told Jesus what's that called Christ the Redeemer? Yeah?
I knew it wasn't called you got Christ the Redeemer?
But then that goes hand in hand with a statue
of liberty or Eiffel Towers.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
It's kind of yeah, I would just say one of
them is probably more revered and loved and religious.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
True.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, there's give me another country, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Mexico.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Hm, the Aztec the temples.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yep, good call.

Speaker 7 (21:06):
I don't know how to pronounce it like good, but
it's his iconic temple of cold cool con.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Are we show their ASTech? Yeah, says or may Yeah, yeah,
that's where I figured out it might have been wrong.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, sorry, yes, Mayan Okay, so.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
We kind of got that one. Okay, where are we
at five of these now?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
So we've had five.

Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yes, the pyramids, Brandon and I are doing some research
over here. Depending on the look that or the research
that you do. There's a modern list and old lists.
Pyramids are a honorary mention basically, is what they're saying.
How but I'm counting them because says they're in the
original list. So i'd say, you guys have five, you
have two more to go.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Just missed it very much, Okay, Peru, we had the Mayan.
There's got to be some ruins.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
I don't know that I know anything in I can
give you one more a hint that, well, I know
what this is.

Speaker 7 (22:08):
I just want to, like, I can say something generic. Yeah,
once you, once you.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
We're not gonna get this one unless you give us
some sort of better like huh.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
A lost city of It's got a cool name. It's
the lost city of the Incasas.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
And we're looking for the name of it.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yea and Peru.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Yeah, I'm not gonna know rhymes Pikachu. I would have
guessed that I need to learn even what my Monte
Picchu is.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You haven't watched that geo. They do all these specials
on that place.

Speaker 5 (22:43):
I've never watched. ANT would have thought that was the
Pokemon go.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, exactly. And then one more is in Jordan. I
would never get this. I've heard of it, and Jordan's
Jordan's the Rivers Thames. No, mhm. It starts with a
p he.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
I believe it's pronounced Petra Petra pet And what is
that famous archaeological and historical city carved directly into the
vibrant red rock faces.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So they carved their living quarters.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
And everything into the rocks. Yeah, like they lived in
the rocks.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (23:19):
It splits them up into categories, like you know, seven
man made wonders, seven man made wonders of the world.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Then it has seven natural wonders of the world, which.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Coover dam not make the man made, I know, but
I'm mad on the natural really one the damp natural,
Niagara Falls.

Speaker 8 (23:38):
Natural, Well, it's Grand Canyon, Oh, Great Barrier, Reef, Harbor,
at Rio de Janeiro, Mount Everest. Northern lights. I've seen those, uh,
Paracutan Volcano, Victoria Falls.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
I think I've only seen one or two of those.
A Grand Canyon, I've seen northern lights in Iceland.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
There you go, you have to go to Iceland and
see the Northern Lines.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
I didn't go to Iceland to see the northern lights. Oh,
you just saw the It was like, literally I had
vacation and this is very much in my doing stuff
by myself era and I thought, I love that a value.
I said, I don't know what the most interesting man
in the world, the guy who had no friends in
the world, that's what that is.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Dude, I would have gone with you. But it's so
great that you're comfortable with yourself and you can go
do these things.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
I went to Iceland, and the reason I went is
because it was close. And you don't think of Iceland
as being close, but look at it on a map.
If you leave New York, you could get to Iceland
before you could get to anywhere in Europe. You just
go up a little bit. Really, Yeah, it's amazing. It's small.
Went to reg Jivic so nice. I was only spent
like two and a half days there, and you would think,
you go into Iceland, how do you not stay longer?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
What am I going to do? Two and a half days?
Send enough fish, I'll see you look at.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
The map and tell me that it's not closer than
you thought. If you pull it up same thing with Ireland.
Went to Ireland by myself.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Ireland's an easy trip too.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
It's the closest five hours close, five hours from New
York probably something like that. What do you see you
see Iceland?

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, I'm Nashville. Well you got a fly to New York. Yeah,
to look at him up and you'll go, oh wow.
I didn't realize was that close, because that's what I
did going to Iowa, let alone Iceland.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
I think it was closer to get from New York
to Iceland than it was to get from Nashville to
la Or maybe it was around that six hours really right, Yeah,
and so oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like just north of Ireland there boys trip on the
other side.

Speaker 5 (25:31):
Yeah, and then did Ireland went over there and just
wrote a book part of a book. Did it by
myself is terrible, terrible trip. Not because Ireland sucked, but
because the culture is drinking and I don't drink.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
My brother went there just this past year with his family.
He's like, there's a lot of places I've been that
I think it's kind of crazy down here. He's like,
every person's got a beer in their hand. They got
a little edge to them. They're all like Connor McGregor's
walking around ready to rock and roll at any point.

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But he said he had a great time, great culture.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
I went and stayed in a four seasons by myself
and went on one bus sightseeing tour and I went
and walked around Dublin a little bit. But not unless
you drink guinness. There's not a lot to do. So
I just stayed in a hotel. Let's back home.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Did you play in golf? That was by myself? So
what no? I did?

Speaker 5 (26:24):
I didn't take it that now.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
I mean, you went to Iceland by yourself. You the
last thing you could do, the least you could do
for yourself, is go out and play one of the courses.

Speaker 5 (26:30):
I went to Ireland by myself. I went to Iceland
by myself. I went to Japan by myself. In North Korea,
I did not go to North Korea.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
You just thought it would be good for the book.
And I did not go to North Korea. We're gonna
talk football with lancezar Line in just a second.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
He is up next. All right, let's welcome in now.
NFL media draft analyst and Houston radio host Lance Zerline.

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Lance is a lead draft analyst for NFL dot Com
appears all across NFL networks draft coverage, co host the
radio show on Houston where you can listen every weekday
from seven to ten am Central Time. Here he is
Lance Zeroline Lance appreciate the time. Let's start with does
it matter who owns the Seahawks?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Not to me?

Speaker 5 (27:28):
Yeah, I mean really, I mean Castle and I were
talking about, like before we get into draft stuff, like
what even is happening right now because it's such a
dead time, and he goes, Seahawks just got bought, So
does it even.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Matter who owns them?

Speaker 9 (27:40):
I mean, look, you have salary caps, you have to
spend money anyway in the NFL. You I don't see
a team that is going to try to back down
from what they accomplished last year.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I don't care about ownership of the NFL.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
I mean, honestly, I think it matters more in other sports,
But once you get in the NFL, most of these
owners well, now, I do want to be fair, I
think there's a lot of ownership that really screw up organizations.
I do think ownership matters. It can matter at the
highest levels if it's incompetent, inept and overreaching.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
But in terms of who owns them.

Speaker 9 (28:15):
If all things are equal and they're staying out of
it and let the people they hire do their jobs.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I don't care who owns the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, staying on the Seahawks sins we're there defending Super
Bowl champions. I still feel like a lot of people
have question marks about Sam Donald, even though he went
out and won a Super Bowl for that franchise his
first year with that franchise. What are your thoughts on
him when you're evaluating him.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
So I had a really high grade on him coming
out of college, and I knew he needed more, you know,
it was a projection. I loved what I saw from USC.
There was a lot to like about Sam Donald coming out,
and then he got put in a tough organization. We
talked about organizations and how it matters.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
It wasn't a great spot for him. He was in
a position where he needed to learn and grow.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
Still, he wasn't He was a two year starter at USC,
needed more work coming in, and he was really put
in a position where more was asked of him than
he was ready, you know, to perform. So we just
kind of wrote Sam Donald off after his you know,
after the Jets and then he just wasn't able to
find his footing.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Then an injury.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
Happens with with JJ McCarthy and he gets his opportunity.
And like we've seen with other quarterbacks before, Geno Smith
to maybe a lesser extent with the Seattle Seahawks, those
guys that those mental reps that they took in the
adversity they had been through, that talent for Sam Donald
started to really shine through, and.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
He said, well it's Kevin O'Connell s justin Jefferson.

Speaker 9 (29:42):
Excuses were made, but then he balled out for the
whole year with Minnesota, then had two really bad games
back to back at the end of the air.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like I knew it. I knew this. I knew it
was a fraud the whole time.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
So he goes to you know, I can't believe Seattle
paid that money for him, and we kept waiting for
the speed bump in Seattle and it never got there.
In fact, no turnovers at all in the in the
in the playoffs, and what he did was steer the
ship brilliantly. He was asked to be a game manager
who could make some plays here and there, take care
of the football. He did his job and now people

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are doing the same thing where they just said, I
just I can't believe my eyes. I don't believe what
I saw for the second year in a row. Let
me see him do it for three years.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
In a row.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
Well, I mean there's nothing that There's really nothing in Houston.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
I've got people willing to give CJ.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
We just say, well, if he plays like he did
in twenty twenty three, like we're going back two and
three years for CJ.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Stroud. Sam Darnold's balled out.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
For two years in a row and now everyone says, well,
he's got to do it a.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Third year in a row. He just won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 9 (30:43):
So there's not a lot he can do other than
continue to play at a high level and prove people wrong.
And eventually it's going to lock in and people are
going to say, look, he's maybe he's a top twelve
quarterback in the league. Maybe he's a top ten quarterback
in the league. We'll see how high those those ratings
can go.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
I get the feeling it doesn't matter for him as
long as he's winning at a high level for his team.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
CJ.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Stroud need to have a specific type.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
Of year, a good one I mean, you know, here's okay,
here's what I would say. You say, does he need it?
And I'll ask, I'll throw this to you bones. Does
he need it for a contract number?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Does he need it for the Texans to be a
Super Bowl contender? I would argue.

Speaker 9 (31:26):
I would argue that in the state of the quarterback
contract right now, he needs an above average and maybe
only slightly above average year for the Texans to be
in contention for a Super Bowl appearance from the AFC.
The defense is elite. They've really added to the you know,
to the offensive line. They've made the running game a

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big priority, added David Montgomery.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
And so pressure is going to be off of CJ. Now,
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 9 (31:53):
See it here and say thirty three thirty four touchdown passes.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
I don't think that matters.

Speaker 9 (31:57):
I think not turning the football over, playing with a
better internal clock and poise. If all those things happen,
the Texans are going to win eleven plus game, They're
they're going to go beyond the second round of the
NFL playoffs, and they got a chance to compete I
think for a Super Bowl with that type of defense.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
If CJ plays above.

Speaker 9 (32:16):
Average football, which includes not turning the ball over. If
he does that, you know, what you're looking at is
potentially a sixty million dollars a year quarterback. So with
success on the field and consistency on the field, the
money in the contract is going to come as well.
Now that's a separate argument is he worth that much.
That's a separate discussion that people have a from a

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roster building standpoint, But I think I think the season
he needs to have is one of consistency, of poise
and being careful with the football. Everything else should take
care of itself as long as those those things are
in place for CJ.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
It sounds like though that the better the defense gets,
the more managing the expectation is for CJ.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Strouds.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
So is the xpect to get back to that year
one which we're looking at a rookie that's doing things
that we hadn't seen a rookie quarterback do, or is
it to just not screw up?

Speaker 9 (33:13):
Or is it somewhere in the middle of those two.
I think it's in the middle of those two. You know,
when you look at his rookie season, like I watched
every game, right, and most people didn't watch.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Every game because the Texans were coming off of being a.

Speaker 9 (33:25):
Bad team, and there were games where CJ didn't play
all that well. But he had a big come from
behind game against Tampa Bay. He had a big one
against New Orleans. He was the reason they came back
with fourth quarter comebacks and the defense actually led up
and gave up late scores and CJ had to bring
the team back and he did that. And so you know,
he played. He was the rookie of the year, the

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offensive rookie of the year. He played good football, but
he still had a lot of room for improvement. Right now,
what your expectations are, yes, don't screw it up when
you have this level of defense, but I think it
should be obviously more than that. What people are asking
CJ to do is get it back to being a
positive playmaker who is able to make plays when necessary

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on third down, when necessary in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
But I think more than that. Right now, before you even.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
Get to that point, there's a process of rebuild that
has to take place where his poise and confidence really
have to be rebuilt so that the footwork is because
it has and Matt will tell you this, I mean
it's it runs directly. When that internal clock is often
the poise is off. Now the footwork for CJ became
an issue. Now those easy outs that he was just

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automatic his rookie season the last two years, they it's
become a much more erratic. The ball placement accuracy has
become erratic. And for CJ, he's not a play extender.
So what does he have to do. He has to
be really good ball placement, accuracy and decision making, and
all three of those things have.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Taken a tumble over the last two years.

Speaker 9 (35:01):
So to answer your question, I think he needs to
not screw it up, but he he does need to
get back to playing confident football over the course of
four quarters. And despite the fact that you know there
may be some adversity in his way because he hasn't
handled diversity well over the last couple of seasons.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Well, it sounds like what you're saying is there's definitely
been a regression from where he was his rookie season.
Is there ever a point in this season where he's
struggling in This team, like you said, set up defensively
to win a Super Bowl. Right now, they're the best
defense in the league in my opinion, But a guy
like David Mills comes in last year, he wins three games.

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Is there ever that point where they have to make
that decision and maybe transition and give the other guy
an opportunity?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
It could be.

Speaker 9 (35:45):
It could be because last year, you know, there were
questions asked after the season was over, if Davis Mills
had been in those playoff games and just hand it
off and just completed a pass.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Here there, didn't make a bad decision here or there?

Speaker 9 (36:01):
Are the Texans based on especially the injury to Bo Knicks,
would the Texans have been favorite to get to the
Super Bowl? As you know, they would have gotten past
New England in all likelihood, they would have cruised past
you know, the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I mean it got past the Steelers. Of defense was awesome.

Speaker 9 (36:19):
Yeah, I think there's a good chance they would have
potentially competed for a Super Bowl run had Davis Mills
been in. And that's only to say it's hard to
imagine someone having that many turnovers.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
But Davis Mills isn't the answer.

Speaker 9 (36:30):
But if you got an elite defense like this, and
you spend money on your offensive line, a lot of
these guys have two year contracts where it's really one
plus where you find out whether or not you want
to go with that second year, and then you have.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
You know you you you're looking at a year where
you got to make a fifth year out. You're gonna
have to pay a guy for his fifth year option year.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
C J.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Stroud. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (36:52):
I think if things look bumpy the first six, seven,
eight games, if.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's really looks a lot like you did at.

Speaker 9 (36:58):
The end of the year, I think the Texans will
pivot to Davis Mills and just say, look, we got
to do it's best for this team.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
We got a chance to we got an league defense.
How long do you have this?

Speaker 9 (37:09):
Other guys are gonna come up for contracts, they may
end up walking. Let's give ourselves the best chance to win.
We'll figure out the quarterback situation after the year's over.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Let's stay in Texas.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Last year was odd because when Arch starts the year,
he's a Heisman favorite and he's the greatest quarterback, and
then all of a sudden he's the worst quarterback ever.
And then now all of a sudden he's you know,
wanted the top to go off the board in the
early draft.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Uh for next year? What is Arch manning?

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Right?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Now, I mean this.

Speaker 9 (37:36):
This roller coaster. The arch thing has been you nailed
it perfectly. It's been a lot of the movements and changes.
Really they're based on perception rather than what's on tape.
When you looked at him on tape before the season started,
he wasn't deserving of the level of hype that we heard.
There was still a lot that he had to prove

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on the field that he hadn't proven up to that point.
Once he started playing, it wasn't good. Like the football
wasn't good against lesser opponent it's out of conference opponents
early in the season. Where we are now, if you
regress from where we are now, which is, oh yeah,
we're back to top pick, top player, Heisman camp all,

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that's probably accurate that he is in line for that
if the play is much better. But it took a
miracle to beat miss a terrible Mississippi State team.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Took a miracle that really he had little to do with.

Speaker 9 (38:31):
It involved a punt return to get him back in position.
He played awful in the Kentucky game that they managed
to win against a backup quarterback in overtime at Kentucky,
Like it's hard to find good games that you really
stamp for arch Manning, but there were flashes and I
think understanding that he's never going to be Peyton Manning.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
He doesn't have that level of accuracy. He's a very
good athlete.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
He's got the chance to get outside of the pocket
and make plays happen.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
I still think that Steve Sarkisian.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Is somewhere in the process of building out an offense
that's right for Eli Manning and not just some pocket
passer because he's not a great pocket passer.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
That's not who he is. Is he gonna have elements.

Speaker 9 (39:17):
That improve, yes, but you really need to take advantage
of that athleticism.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
He's a big boy, he's got good size.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
Get him out there, use his legs, give him a
chance to get into the game with his legs as well,
where he really psychologically is into making plays. If he
does that, then yes, the draft stock shoots back up.
But right now it's like everyone everyone just ignored what
the tape showed throughout the year last year, through most

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of the year, a too great a percentage of the
year for me to feel comfortable putting him up there
with a guy like Dante More up near the top
of the quarterback class, But I get it is the
name is Manning. He has great size, he has some potential.
But if his last name weren't Manning, I really don't
think we'd be talking about him. Is the first pick
of the draft, not based on what we've seen on
the field.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
So Lance is basically saying Arch Manning is a third
round grade right a third round grade right now. And
that's totally fight. But when you talk about this year
upcoming draft class at the QB position, are you encouraged
by what you're seeing? You mentioned Dante Moore, but you
got you also have guys like Julian Sayan CJ. Carr
at Notre Dame who could potentially come out. I'd say
it's a lot deeper draft class this year than obviously

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what we had last year.

Speaker 9 (40:27):
Well, last year was supposed to be really deep, right,
it was supposed to be deep, and all those guys cratered,
like across the board, everyone cratered. It's just other than
Dante Moore and he went back and I think he
needed another year. A lot of sideways passing for Dante Moore,
I'd like to see more vertical approach a little bit
more attacking, there's some throws I want to see him
make a little more. But Dante Moore has everything that
you'd like. A little slider frame. We're used to that

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more and more NFL quarterbacks are, you know, are going
to be two oh three, two oh.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Five, that's where he is. I expect Archie to play better.
I'm blanking on the quarterback from South.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
Carolina Leonora Sellers Sellers, Yeah, Sellers Sellers was a.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Little disappointing last year too. I'm expecting a better year
from him.

Speaker 9 (41:06):
Julian's saying he's an Ohio State quarterback. He's probably gonna
ball out. He's probably gonna get drafted high if he
comes out. I like what I saw from car I
think Carr needs another I'd like to see him with
even another year because this is gonna be a loaded
quarterback class man. There's just there was something about him
that I really liked last year. I liked there was
a level of confidence, and I saw something that made

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me believe that he had some of the pro mentality
that you're gonna need. I just think he's gonna need
three years of being a starting quarterback, that that would
be best for him, and it takes him out of
this quarterback class and puts him in the next quarterback class,
which gives him a chance to climb up higher. But
without question this year, based on the talent who came
back and who should get better with another year, this

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looks like a pretty legitimate quarterback class potentially if everyone
plays to their potential, which which didn't happen last year.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
The one question I have as an evaluator when you
mentioned Julian Saying at Ohio State and when you're watching
his film, he's rarely touched. He's got the best offensive line,
he's got the best wide receiver corps. Does that hurt
him or help him? Obviously on the field, that helps
the production, but when you're watching him, it's not apples
to apples here when we're comparing quarterbacks, it.

Speaker 9 (42:36):
Just makes it harder, Like it makes my job harder.
It makes the NFL teams jobs harder. That's why you
can miss on a Dwayne Haskins, you know. That's why
you can miss on on maybe really any any of
the quarterbacks who've come out from Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
It's been tough because they do have great wide receivers.

Speaker 9 (42:51):
And it's not just one it's at least two and
in many times three and even a fourth that's on
the bench somewhere.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
A lot of times it's their offensive linemen or not.
You know, they're not.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
Typically they're like four and five star caliber, but they
never end up being big time high draft picks a
lot of times.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
But they're good enough running games, usually really good. They've
got all kinds of defensive health.

Speaker 9 (43:11):
So yeah, what I'm dealing with is everything's great. You
got your you're driving corvettes, you're driving muscle cars. It's
not that hard to do that. So what I have
to do, and what evaluators have to do, is you
have to go. I like to go look at how
you handle pressure. So I'll pull up all the tape
of all the times that you are pressured.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I will pull up.

Speaker 9 (43:31):
I like looking at intermediate throws because I think those
give you kind of an idea of what you want
to see in the In the pro game, I got
to see some anticipation.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
You got to have a feel for the safeties.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
You have to have a feel for timing, a little
better ball placement and accuracy. I'll go look at you
against you know, I'll go look at you against five
rushers and six rushers.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
I change up the rusher look.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
I like looking inside the red zone. How you handle
red zone. There are some things that you can do
to try to normalize a quarterback like that who has
everything versus the rest of the quarterback class that I'm
looking at. You can do some that and sometimes you
just have to go back and look at Okay, show
me the worst game that this guy had or the
toughest game. Julian saying, how did he do against Sandiana?

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Why did he play that way? How did he play
against Indiana?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
I had to do that. Fernando Mendoza had a great year.
What did you do.

Speaker 9 (44:20):
Against Penn State? The first three quarters? That made the
fourth quarter necessary? And then of course the fourth quarter
is a huge check mark for him. What did he
do against Ohio State? And when I come out of that,
I say, yeah, it was tough for him, but he
went up against a bunch of pros and then he
made some plays in the fourth quarter when he needed
to for Ohio State. It's different because everybody you have,

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you're going to have so many check marks in favor
of the guy across the line from you that you're
really looking for moments you're looking for consistency and then
you just you just get back to quarterback traits. You
just want to know how accurate, how does the ball
come out, what's the delivery look like? Is he throwing
with the anticipation against zone? Is he a good decision

(45:01):
maker against certain looks? That's all, you know, that's just football. Yeah,
the windows are bigger, there's no way to get around that.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
The windows are going to be bigger for those quarterbacks.
But there's still elements that you can.

Speaker 9 (45:14):
Look for that are that are that are static for
all quarterbacks no matter what.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
It's just, yeah, some of them.

Speaker 9 (45:20):
Are a little easier to get to for Ohio State
quarterbacks than they're going to be for you know, maybe
a South Carolina quarterback.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Speaking of young quarterbacks for the Raiders, is the perfect
quarterback season that Kirk Cousins plays the whole year?

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, in a in a perfect world, I think, I
think so.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
I remember watching Vince Young come off the bill, trying
to remember who started ahead of Vince Young, but that
quarterback started I think for seven to ten games, and
then Vince Young came, you know, became the starter after that.
I think the perfect situation would be something similar where
Kirk Cousins plays for you know, about ten games, and
then it starts for ten games and then Fernando starts

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the last seven. You'd like to get some You'd like
to get some snaps under his belt this year because
you've got a decision to make for year.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Five before you know it.

Speaker 9 (46:13):
You know you need that, you need you want him
getting those not just mental reps, but I think you
need game reps from him a little bit this year
as well. I do remember talking to Brett Veach. Brett
was not the GM at that time, it was John Dorsey.
But I asked Veach about what they, you know, drafting
Patrick Mahomes, and I remember him telling me, in a
perfect world, Pat will not take a snap this year.

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In fact, we have him as the third string quarterback.
We will have you know, people won't want to hear it.
We won't say that out loud, but we want Alex Smith.
And I'm trying to remember who the backup was, but
there was another backup out of Arkansas, I think who
was there at that particular time, and their idea was
he plays no reps, no snaps.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
He was also kind of a stallion like he was
trying to put the team on his back all the time.

Speaker 9 (47:00):
He was trying to make you know, his game was
a little Jay cutlerish when Jay was was was plan
out of Vandy where he was trying to carry the team,
and he had tremendous talent and tremendous ability, and so
I think part of that was, like a stallion, you're
just trying to break and you're trying to get them
to calm down and bring them in a little bit.
I don't think that's a problem with Fernando men Doza.
I think he's wired a little differently. I think he's ready.

(47:23):
He's a little bit more game ready from an NFL
standpoint coming in because that was also you know, that
was when we weren't.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Sure if air raid quarterbacks were going to be successful
in the pros.

Speaker 9 (47:35):
Just one year prior, you had Jared Goff drafted as
an air raid quarterback with the first pick of the draft,
and there was a real question about that if those
guys could even succeed. And that's what Patrick Mahomes was
And so yeah, in a perfect world, you can say
just set them the whole time, But I'd like to
see Fernando get some snaps. I would love it if
he sat the bench early on, but I would like

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to see him get starts this year.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
With the evolution of the game, particularly with more of
these quarterbacks that are versatile, they can run their dual threat,
is it harder to see how the college game itself
is different, how offenses are run and translate that to
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (48:16):
Sometimes sometimes it can be just with all the r
p os and you know it used.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
To be zone read stuff.

Speaker 9 (48:22):
Now it's really zone read is just a function of
just making you pay if the if the end crashes down,
that's really all it is. And you do have some
quarterbacks for called runs, they'll they'll use them for called runs.
For me, it's really more about quick game and r PO.
That's not what the NFL game is going to look
at it look like, So you have to really almost
filter those out. So when I have a film system

(48:45):
that that with my film is tied to certain where
I can look for certain types of throws and situations
for every quarterback, and so I'll filter out.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I don't want to see your RPO throws.

Speaker 9 (48:54):
I don't care other than I want to see sometimes
your ball handling and how smooth you are and how
how twitchy you are with your hands and your upper
body and your hands and feet being tied together.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
But other than that, I don't even really care about.

Speaker 9 (49:08):
I will filter out a lot of RPO throws and
throws behind a line of scrimmage. That's what makes it
tougher is you have a smaller I'll give you an example.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
It's not quarterback Luther Burden. When he was coming out of.

Speaker 9 (49:19):
Missouri his last year, a lot of draft analysts were
kind of down on him because of how many of
the catches he had were inside of four yards from
the line of scrimmage. Well, I went back to twenty
three and really dove in hard on twenty three to
see the throws that I wanted to see, and I'm like,
this guy's great.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
He's a really good wide receiver. People are too down
on him.

Speaker 9 (49:39):
But based on what his offense, he didn't have any
say so on that, what the play calls were and
what the design was going to be. So I never
got down on Fernando Mendoza, for example.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
For all the rpos' you have.

Speaker 9 (49:52):
To mention it through a lot of RPOs, a lot
of back shoulder fades. Yeah, you can't make a living
just doing that in the NFL. But you have to
go find the other throws and see what he looked
like on the other throws. But no question, and when
you get those quick game throws and the RPO stuff,
you have to get away from those and go find Okay,

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can he make a deep out throw?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Is he able to win? Uh beat a safety in
the seam? You know?

Speaker 9 (50:18):
Does he have enough zip on the ball, He's have
enough anticipation. Does he use his eyes effectively to manipulate
and hold defenders?

Speaker 3 (50:26):
You know, it's just being smart. Does he have football
IQ and football intelligence?

Speaker 9 (50:31):
And that's what you're looking for as opposed to just
getting caught up in this isn't a NFL style offense?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Well, you can still find the characteristics you're looking for.
It's just it just takes more time. Takes a lot
more time. On film.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
I'm not sure if the Cowboys are a bad word
where you are, but Dak looks humongous, like he's jacked
more jack, more jack than I've ever seen Dak.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Do you think they're gonna be any good this year? Finally?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I do?

Speaker 2 (50:57):
I do.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
I think defensively they take a step up. That's still
the question.

Speaker 9 (51:01):
All the internal strife with the with the Eagles, it's
a real thing with the quarterback situation over there. I'd
heard about it a couple of years ago, and it
kind of blew me away because they were, you know,
coming off a Super Bowl, so I only what. This
kind of hit me out of nowhere, and then the
stuff starts leaking after this year is over. Maybe getting
rid of aj Brown will be a positive for them.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I don't know. Defensively, they're awfully good, but Washington. We'll
see how Washington handles getting Jade and Daniels back. The Giants.
I like the up I like the potential of the Giants.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
But when you look at the Cowboys, Man Dak played
really good football last year. Looks like they've got a
real one and Javontae Williams he fits in nicely.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Over there at running back.

Speaker 9 (51:43):
You got two terrific wide receivers and a pass catching
tight end and a pretty good offensive line as well.
It's just a matter of can you get the defense
to be an average defense, and if you can get
the defense to be an average defense, if you can
get a little bit of rush and you're not so
leaky on the back end at corner. I don't see

(52:04):
any reason I feel like Dallas is going to challenge
for division championship.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I really do.

Speaker 9 (52:08):
I think I think Dallas and Philadelphia have a chance
to slug it out.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
But I'm I'm kind of with you. I think I
think this is where you're going.

Speaker 9 (52:15):
I think Dallas has a real shot to be a
very dangerous team this year in the NFC.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
How about in the AFC East and the Buffalo Bills.
We've got the bona fide superstar of our league, Josh Allen.
What does the Buffalo Bills? What do the Buffalo Bills
have to do in order to take that next step
and finally win some playoff games and get to the
next level, ultimately winning the championship.

Speaker 9 (52:41):
Yeah, I mean, look, you got a couple of layups
basically with the Jets and the Dolphins. Dolphins probably more
so than the Jets this year. New England is a
tough game, obviously, it's a it's a much different team.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Mike Vrabel and Drake.

Speaker 9 (52:53):
May and those guys Elliott Wolf, theyve really turned out
around very very quickly.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But for Josh Allen. You know, every time he comes
to Houston, he struggles badly.

Speaker 9 (53:02):
And he comes to Houston again this year, and it's
kind of a microcosm of what you see from Josh
in that there are there are either games or there
are situations where Josh Josh is superman. I love I
love watching Josh Allen. I think he's fantastic. If I
had one quarterback to take, I'd take Josh Allen. But
for years there were the issues in the red zone

(53:22):
where he would make just killer mistakes that would hurt
his team. And then now there are situations with Josh
where he just has a difficult time against certain types
of defense. Every once in a while he'll run into
a defense that he really struggles with and struggles to
figure out on the fly. One of the things he
doesn't really do is make those adjustments from the first

(53:43):
half to the second half internally self correct to find,
you know, a higher level football.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
He has it in him, we know, but every once
in a while it doesn't show up. And the reality
is that is not an elite defense over there.

Speaker 9 (53:57):
The reality is that's a below average wide receiving court,
very good running back, and pretty good offensive line. I
like the offensive line, but what's around him? Not great
at wide receiver. On defense, good but not great defensively.
So a lot more is asked him than most of
the other quarterbacks out there.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
So I don't know. I mean to your question, what
is it going to take?

Speaker 9 (54:21):
I guess he just has to keep being superman and
you know, maybe have a little bit more rush, a
little bit more on the back end, you know, in
terms of ball hawking secondary, maybe a little bit more
turnovers in his favor. Anything short of that, he just
has to play more consistently at a superman like level.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
I don't know what else.

Speaker 9 (54:42):
You you should be able to have some down games
here and there, but for Josh, it just feels like
in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
He just can't have those type of games, and.

Speaker 9 (54:50):
He has unfortunately had those things happen too often to him.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Lanced are Align lead NFL Draft analysts for NFL dot Com.
You guys can follow him at lances are Aligned and
listen to him on the bench on ESPN Houston ninety
seven to five and ninety two five. Lance Really appreciate
the time, really admire your work. Thanks so much for
hanging out with us.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I'm a big fan of your show as well, So
keep up the good work.

Speaker 5 (55:16):
What are you doing this summer with all your kids home?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Oh? Boy, Well, they just started school sports, so my
wife's already. My wife's coaching, helping coach the high school team.
And so my two oldest daughters are going to be
freshman and junior. So they have their workouts every morning,
starting started yesterday. And my boys started football, so they
have football five days a week, starting in the morning,

(55:39):
kind of on the same schedule that the volleyball team's on.
So we're rock and rolling and I'm hanging out with
my little one until they get home. And uh, I
just was in La last weekend because my daughter had
an l m U camp that you went a loyal
in Marymount University had an advance that's in LA. That's
in La. Why do I why Chicago? There's multiples? Is
there a loyal Chicago? Yes? Got it? Different? Yeah? Different?

Speaker 5 (56:01):
So we went there out to LA for a volleyball
camp of the Year, Dad of the Year. You can
make peppers flying the camps, flying.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
The camps, hung out, did that, it went well. We
got to see family too because it's literally fifteen minutes
from everybody around me in LA. It's like ten minutes
from Lax. So we got to go see some family
and stuff like that as well. So that was good.
And uh, there's not a lot on the docket.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Coming up, dud Well, you got a four month old.
But it's my wife and i's five year anniversary on
Friday night.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
It's a big deal. Yeah it is. It's a big deal.

Speaker 5 (56:34):
And so we're going to go watch The Odyssey. I'm
not a big movie guy, although I've watched seventeen in
the past week and a half.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You are a big movie guy every time.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
I'm might watch a movie a year one maybe really too.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
But documentaries, I mean, I can accept it. I can
with you.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
And he told me, did you go to watch this one?
I can accept. I don't feel like that's a movie.
I feel like I'm learning fair enough, fair enough, If
that's a movie, color me Cisco and Ebert.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
But I don't. I don't watch movie.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
But I've watched seventeen in the past ten days.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
But my wife likes to.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Go to theaters. I don't, and she's like, I'd like
to go.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Watch the Odyssey.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
So we're gonna go watch that. It's three plus hours long.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Oh, so you better get your popcorn and go to
the restroom before you go and squeeze it.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Squeez it all out, every a piece of liquid you got, and.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
You squeeze it. Noney, you can't drink more water.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
And we're going at six, so that'd be a nine
o'clock wrap. So we gotta have somebody stay with the baby.
So I think my wife's good with that, though I
know it's gonna be tough because we haven't been away
from the baby. We've we've gone and done things, but
for three hours at night. No one else has ever
put the baby to bed.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Oh, so that's gonna be that. She'll be on the
phone like, how's it going, baby?

Speaker 5 (57:45):
And if she does, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Who's watching the baby? Not?

Speaker 5 (57:48):
You have to tell just Frond of the Bars that
we trust she is.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Let me come over and we'll hang out with the baby,
and my whole family will come and you'll have everybody
there and every shoe will get a ton of.

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Your hands on deck, all the castles, yeah, all the
cucumbers and oh.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And we'll take care of her. It's all good, dude,
super easy.

Speaker 5 (58:06):
Thank you guys for listening. Thanks to Lance for coming on.
That's Matt Castle. That's Kick Off Kevin, that's Brandon Ray.
I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say. We will
see you guys next week. All right, bye, everybody.

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