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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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is there. You might hear us. Let's get into the interview, Yo,
Bootleg cap podcast man special guests in here. His new
album just drop last month. What was around Christmas?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Christmas Day?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
On Christmas?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, wrapping paper, wrapping paper.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
So this is the sequel to Gift Wraps the first one.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yep, it is a sequeence like Gift Wraps two. We
even put Gift Raps two in the parentheses.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What was the first one like to that in twelve
and I.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Was like twelve thirteen, I want to say twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, so it's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, why why make this project the sequel?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Did it just you feel like it just made sense?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Or was it did you go into it saying this
is going to be the sequel or was it like
once you started making and you're like, oh this.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean every year we have an opportunity, me and
Chuck had an opportunity to drop wrapping Paper because we've
been had this plan, We've had a touch yeah, but
we just would miss the mark at the like like
we would like realize it's too late. I would hit
him up like in November like oh shit, we should
drive wrapping paper, and then it just wouldn't be enough time.
But this year we really was like, noah, let's do it,
(01:42):
like from like months and months prior, so are we
going to make this year to be the year we
drive wrapping paper? And we just got it done.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So cause he's been on the on. He put out
a cool kids album this year, he just got off tour. Yeah,
you guys were all like this whole year, it's all
already kind of been in the cars that this was
going to come out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, going into the holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, he was. He was on him and Mikey was
on the road, and and I was just busy with
with a bunch of stuff I was doing, man writing,
I'm writing a couple of films and like just doing
a bunch of shitting between the albums. But our times
just aligned. This year was like all right, let's go,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is this all like stuff that's just been sitting on
our drive that you guys had done or is it new?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
No, it's new.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We had a couple of records that we that I
started recording years ago, but only one of them made
the album and the rest of them are are all
new records, you know what I mean. Like we we
started it, you know, it was a few Like like
I said, every year on around Christmas, we just like
start off a little too late.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Do you feel like because I feel like, you know,
shout to Chuck because Chuck is one of those underrated producers.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every Yeah, Chuck English.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Do you feel like it's a different dynamic than like
like working just like solely with the single producer when
you like sit down and do like Okay, we're doing
the whole album as opposed to like, you know, piecing
together with different guys.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's honestly, I feel like it's better to have everything
come from one producer. It's probably easier, easier too, but
you just can deliver a sound instead of like a
medley of your picks, you know what I mean, try
to make that into a sound, you know what I mean. So,
I mean it's really no right or wrong way to
(03:28):
do it. But for this being a sequel, you know,
I had to really it was like give raps is
a hard act to follow, you know what I mean. So,
and they don't even have no features on it. So
I was like, yo, we got to really make this
like compete. You know, you gotta go. You gotta go
against old Chuck. That's what I told him, Like, you
got to go against against yourself. Yeah, so he was like,
(03:50):
I'll beat Old Chuck's ass, That's what he says.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
What he said, I mean, and you got dope features
on here, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you got the
Cleveland guy shout to Kels.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was it hard to get kills?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Like getting rapper mode when he's like running around the
world is a pop star now and like a rocker like.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Man, you know what kills he He is a maniac
man artistically, Like, he just can't be stopped no matter
what's going on, whether it's switching genres or whatever. He's
he's ready a ready, acting up. Yeah, So it's really
no stopping him. And he was up for the challenge.
He he was you know, once he once I told him,
he was like, let's go. So it wasn't really hard
(04:28):
to pull everybody together, which was a blessing, man, you
know what I mean, because really people don't know how
hard it is to pull artists together, you know. And
all of them came in and really just looked out
for me, man, So you know, shout out to everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Was you, because I feel like early on, like MGK
was a pretty like outspoken guy. Yeah, did it take
a while for like you and Cutty to kind of
get aligned with him, like in terms of like you
guys being on the same page and like rocking with
each other.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, you know, it's it's it's all a part
of this, you know what I mean. And I think
that's what makes it so beautiful. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
When mg came in the game, he was talking about it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, but that's what hip hop is about for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Like he backed it up. It's not a crazy career.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's like it's one of the things where I appreciate
it because that's what gives everything. It's substance, you know
what I mean. Like I said, this whole part of
the story, Like you know, you see how everything on
folds till now, Like this is how it's supposed to be.
If it was peachy the whole time, it wouldn't be
such an uproar, right, you know what I mean. So,
like I think that's the beautiful thing about it. Man.
(05:35):
But me and Cale has always been great though, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I mean, I always tell people this.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's like one of the most solid, never switched up,
great dudes in music.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Man, he's a real dude too, man, you know what
I mean, real guy, Yeah, real yeah, shots. We are
real you know, come from Ohio. That's how that's how
we are.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We don't care about the fan or none of that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like we got Man, who do you have if you
were to remove yourself out of the conversation, Who's who's
in the Cleveland mount Rushmore?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Oh? If I remove myself Cleveland Mount Rushmore, Now that's
hip hop hip hop. Okay, now we're narrowing it down. Well,
does Bone.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Fish got otherwise there there it's all for.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And they can't cut you have a monument in front
of the capitol. Otherwise the real Mount rush it's just.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Then you got flesh up there too, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, damn Okay Mount Rushmore. Let's see, it's tough because
how many spots are four? Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Fo uh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now my Mount Rushmore is predicated on pioneer ship if
that's a word, you.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Know what I mean, for the for the for the city.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So so we're gonna go with uh
mc brains is one of the rappers that I heard
Crazy Bones said he was aspiring to be like you
know what I'm saying, Like, so I would have to
put him then, of course bone would get that second
slot third in hip hop. I would have to go
(07:26):
with Ray Cash.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That album was so fire.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I was on there a little bit,
like my voice was on there. I was pumped, like
I was so happy about that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That was a great project. What was it called Cash
on Delivery? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I went and brought that out the record store
when it still had record store.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Very very good album.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, man, shout to the Kick drums too. They produced it.
But yeah, I would go, I would go, Ray Cash,
that's three right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yep, one more and I got one more.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You gotta kind of put Cuddy in there. You gotta
kind of right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean I want it's yeah, of course, yeah,
I want to put Cuddy in there. But you said
take me out, You're gonna take yourself out. Yeah, So
I mean yeah, we could pioneership. Yeah, that's so. So
it's gonna go mc brains bone thus of harmony, Ray
Cash and Kid cutting it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And I mean, like I said, I wish I could
keep going because you know, it's a lot of rappers
even now today that's opening the door for new new artists.
It ain't just us no more, you know what I mean. Now,
it's like people holding that door for the for the
next artist, which is which is what I love to see,
you know what I mean. It's a guy in Cleveland.
He goes around all the uh Target stores and he
(08:50):
go up to people and he asks them who's their
favorite Cleveland artists. His brand is called hardest in the city.
But like that's where that's where I go to really
like see who's really popping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Dope boy's been doing this thing for boy.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, dope boy. You got a guy named No
Love China. Man, It's it's a lot. It's a lot
of dope artists come from the city.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Man, are you Are you on the Shador train?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I love Shador man?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah? Is he? Is he the future?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know at all the quarterbacks you guys have had, Yeah,
it's been some bad ones. Here's the lowest QBR That's
what I'm saying. And it's like, no, no, that's not good.
He's like eighteen QBR.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, what's talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm just curious because they fired Stefanski. I'm like, what
are they gonna do? And ship are they picking a
quarterback in the first round. It's a bad draft to
pick a quarter I think you give s your door
a full season to see if yah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I feel like they took him out the game for
a while, you know what I mean, when we first
got in and got that win, and then they like
satting down.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They gotta they gotta just give him a year you
all drafted to because he ain't him or dying Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You gotta give give him a shot to keep.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, give him, give him a little consistency where we
can you know, where he can get some sake.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Trade Miles Garrett, Man, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He just hit that.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Get him out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
What's it called the record for sack.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, he's gonna be like Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Bro Joe Thomas, one of the greatest offensive linemen of
all times, spent his whole career in Cleveland playing me
and it was game.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah. You want to see him get a win, Send
him somewhere where he could get a ring or something. Man,
we're gonna get man. Look, I'm telling you the one
thing about the Browns fan, Man, it's like, ain't no
greater glory, just like the Calves. When the Calves won
it's twenty sixteen. It wasn't no greater glory than when
we had that win because we.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Get it, but you get but you guys have Lebron Yeah,
like two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, look, I'm a I'm an Arizona sports fan,
so I have told him to talk where like Brown's
junior with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We fucking suck.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I used to I used to like, uh Randy Johnson,
Oh yeah, yeah, great, great picture for the Arizondonda. He
had that mustache. He wasn't playing.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Did you ever see him throw?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He killed it, killed the bird. Fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He was the man though. He was like eight feet tall.
What's the new? The new?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Uh? The Indians aren't the Indians? What are they now? Commanded?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, they're the Guardians, bro, Guardians, Guardians. Man, that's real
and real Cleveland. There's gonna feel when I say this.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Man, that's I don't even think they make retro like
Indians hats anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Such a dope log.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's a heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's like, man, it's crazy. Man, that's a that's a
crazy story.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Man. They're good. The Guardians are good.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
They're really good. They're really good. They're really good.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know what I meant? A hockey team in Cleveland. No,
Columbus we got that, we got the we's had a monsters.
I don't know if we still got Columbus has a
hockey team. Yeah, Columbus does, or maybe they went there.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Maybe I think they're called the Columbus. I don't know
all mohammies from Columbus AF fucking yeah. We used to
have a stage and then there's a there's a hockey team.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Cook.
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Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, out to Columbus, man, Columbus moving right now.
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back to the interview. You also got Simba on the album.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Larry June's on the on there, yeah, Larry June.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Uh. And that's an NHL team right. Oh shit, I'm
not crazy.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Columbus Bluest shows out to the Columbus Blue Jackets. Man,
let me tap in real quick.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, you got some dope features on here.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Like when it comes to the fat the Fat Raps four,
was it like one putting all those guys on the
song together?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
How hard was it?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And who who's the toughest verse to get over the
finish line before the album came out?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Toughest verse to get over the finish line before the
album came out was MGK Verse only because of time,
because he was on tour and he went out and
got some equipment and set up just to do fat
raps for just for the Verse, just on tour. And
I was crazy, you know what I mean. But the
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first person who stepped up to the plate was Denzel Curry.
M Dinzel Curry stepped up.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He is crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was in the man I was. We were in
the studio together, so I was like trying to keep
my composure and not make no noise because like it's
gonna pick up the sound. But I was like, damg,
he going crazy here right now.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And he's one of the best live performers.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah he is, you know, he know real jiu jitsu.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It's not jiu jitsu. He knows, he knows muy Thai
muy Thai.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, one of the fucker will kill you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah. I was in Thailand with him like twenty twenty
four and he was like, yeah, I come here all
the time to train, and I'm like what. He's like, yeah,
like whatever belt he is like, I'm like, oh, you're
fucking He's like no, like I came to Thailand and trained.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, he's for real with that shit. Karate O your
head fucking around with Denzel Curry with Denzel nah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Because that muy Thai ship is like I feel like
more Thai is the m m A or the martial art,
whatever you're gonna call it. That's like best applicable the
street fights. Yeah, yeah, that ship is. They call it
the art of eight limbs, the muy Thai. Right, yeah,
that's what the elbows and ship it's over then. Yeah,
I elbowed a heavy bag. I saw the difference. I'm like,
(15:52):
when I first tried that shit, let me try more time.
I'm like, oh no. We went to some like Multai
fights in Patong Beach and there was like ten year
old kids feeding a living.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Ship out of each other. It was fucking crazy. We
saw like ten fights.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Two of them or were kids, but nine out of
the ten fights in it in cold knockouts.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Damn motherfuckers. Yeah, elbows, elbows to the head.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Man. I went to Thailand. I didn't get to catch
any fights though, but or something else. No, man, I
ain't even because they said there was something about the
you know, you gotta be careful, you know, so I
was like, I'm cool, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But you know, Thailand's beautiful. I don't know what part
you went to I was.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I was in Bangkok, then I went to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Wire where'd you go?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I went right before the Like when I came back
from Thailand, the whole country shut down, like ty is nice.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, it was like it was.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Crazy because it's like it was no sign of the
COVID anything when we left, but then when we came back,
it was.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Like and then you're in Asia where it's like super
everyone's I'm thinking, like, Okay, if it's coming from this way,
why these people shut down? Like Thailand is different, dog
ain't like you know, like Japan, and I feel like
China they're very very very like Thailand has just turned up.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let me tell you something I like about Thailand and
something I don't. I like the people. Man, It feel
like they just reel down to earth, you know what
I mean. And they don't. They ain't with no bullshit.
Like if you lost in the directions, they'll walk off
on you. They won't even answer you like they real
they real people. But it's smell like doodoo sometimes when
you're there.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it smells like dude sometimes
in La.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
True that night smell like hot garbage in La and
fetnah and human.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
La got its parts and just pissed. Just walk walk
down fucking you know any Spring Street and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's a piss factory.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Sniff All that human homeless pitch mixed was fatin off smooth.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I don't know if they got.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The probably got fed on Thailand. Oh yeah, what I
don't know. I know that they fired that ship up
out there, probably.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Lit though shouts to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was on the took took, you know what I'm saying.
All the little little tax killed things. They drive crazy
out there for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yo. When you watch the did you watch the Diddy documentary?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I did so.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
When they brought up like him breaking into Cuddy's house,
Like from you're not You're obviously really close with Cuddy.
Did that ship like happened the way? Like from what
you know? Do you like that ship's like this motherfuckers
in there opening presence?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, I mean from I wasn't there when he was
opening the presence when when I came in, I mean,
because of course now we passed that part. So I
mean I didn't say nothing for thirteen years, right, I
mean all this, I didn't mention none of it. But yeah,
I took the pictures that they used in court. Oh really, yeah,
those are those of my pictures because he, you know,
(19:00):
I had to just you know, he and me up
was like yoall go check on this. And I went
up there and I'm like, whoa, this is crazy. But
i didn't see him in the house or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So you get to the house and like someone's obviously
been inside.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah no, no, no, no, I don't know about the inside.
I just went I was just in the in the driveway.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Are you talking about when the car got set on fire?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, I'm I came after that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But but okay, So because because there was a day.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I think when that there was like the girl who
testified his old assistant who said there was like a
time like she pretty much got kidnapped. They went up
to Cuddy's house and he went into the house and
was like fucking with the dogs and like opening presents.
But then a car got blown up. I don't are
were those two separate things or one thing?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Not sure? So when did you Which day did you
get called? Was there a blown up car?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It was the with the pictures that you saw? Oh
that's what I saw, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The car? Yeah, so you you came to the scene
and you see the car, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Taking the first responded, oh, ship. And then and then
like you know, then like the like the fire trucks
starts showing up and everything.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But what kind of the night do you get this call? Like, yo,
this is broad day, broad daylight? Did it look like
someone like like it was some arts and ship.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It looked like a bad job. It looked like somebody
didn't know what they were doing really, but they were
just mad.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Damn. Do you think it was him that did it
or do you think he had someone do it?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I couldn't tell you. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean cut he gotta have some ring cams in
that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I would hope this.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Was like you know what I'm saying, that.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Had to be a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like when you're like like because at that time, twenty twelve,
I feel like like you said, like you could get
away with a lot more ship because the world's not
as surveyed, like right now you have fucking the snitch
Facebook classes.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh no, you ain't Facebook.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You in your fucking glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He's come from Ali Baba.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Shot you come up on for the low.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, But I'm saying, like twelve, you could, I mean,
motherfuckers can move around with a lot more like and
get away with straight up.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's different now even even in Cleveland they got this
thing called Raven, and Raven is some type of uh
equipment electronic technical techn you no tech equipment or whatever
that's in the ghetto.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And it has facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well no, this every time anytime a gun is fired,
it basically alert where it happened and who did it.
And in the same go for like like if you
got a stolen car, it'll like read your plates and
then it'll let them know like oh, yeah, stolen car
just came into city.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh we saw like it reads the place. If you
report your car stolen, there's cameras, yep. Sof it drives by.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yep, if you get picked up by the camp.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't like the surveilling state ship.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I mean, you got to do the right thing, man,
Spike Lee tried to tell you. You know what I'm saying.
We ain't listening. You know, I started listening, you know.
But if you do the right thing, you ain't really
got to worry about nothing for real. But I mean,
I really don't like all of the surveilling and watching
and the Big Brother and all of that.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's like, and now there's drones and ship when.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're being watched, It's really like, at what point do
we draw the line? Because we keep pushing the envelope
further and further and just blame it on technology.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
The only time I felt bad for Drake during the
whole you know, his last couple of years was when
he was chilling in Australia and some fucking just flies
on his satio and he's like on the hundredth floor
and he's like, what the F. I'm like, come on, man, Like,
poor guy, Like if he was up there, you know,
rubbing one out, you know what I mean, Like he.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Could have been.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's getting crazy, man, drones. I've seen people hooking up
guns to him and.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh yeah, it's getting crazy. So I want to I
want to close the chapter on the on the cutting
thing because it is interesting. I think it's one of
the biggest stories of the year. So you show so
cud he hits you, hey, something's going on at the
house or did he already know that the car was
He just said to the you know, yeah, yeah, he
just yeah, because you're in town. I'm sure he's not
(23:14):
in town.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah I was. I was. I just so happened
to be in the area.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And and at the time I didn't live too far anyway,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So so you put up to the house cars cooked, Yeah,
you call the cops.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, okay, no, Like a neighbor was had stepped out too,
and we were both like, you know what I mean,
it started becoming a thing, and like then it started
becoming the show.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know, like did you have any idea, like any
idea that like there was this thing with like Cassie
and like the Diddy shit was like could potentially become
messy as just being close to the situation being a
homeade cuddies.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I didn't know. It was really nothing that I've seen.
I mean in the way we move, like we'd been
moving like world leaders, you know what I mean? Right,
we really don't be like announcing a lot of the
things we do, even though they really cool things or
like really interesting or like I don't And I thought
that was just me. But then it was like I
noticed that he was like that too, and I think
that's why we do That's why we clicked too, because
(24:11):
we weren't really like superficial in that way. We just
so a lot of things that was really cool that
would happen. I wouldn't know he would, you know, I
would find out like, oh you went through it. Oh yeah,
yeah I did that the other day, Like damn, that's crazy,
you know what I mean. We weren't. We weren't really
boasting like that. So he ain't come to me and
like yo goods like it was just around. Nah, I
(24:31):
didn't never met her.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
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make sure you shoot them a visit. It's crazy because
like you have been a part of like so many
historical points in like hip hop. If you think about
just like the blog area in general, and do some
of the albums that you've been on, Like you're on
Freddy's first album, Well, I guess Straight Killer is not
really the album.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's like eight songs.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I mean, I thought there was an album it was no.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean it's the first album I ever got thanked
in the credits fire and then obviously the cutty stuff
you're on Detroit. You're on so much shit, do you
when you think back to like the era of like
just like the Too Dope Boys, the No Rights and
just like there was so much free music getting dropped
(25:41):
and I don't even think anybody really realized like we're
in an era where you could tour and make real
money off of like just putting out a fucking zip.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
File of an album. Yeah what what?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
What is your favorite part about that whole kind of
just era of hip hop that you were able to
kind of just see with your own eyes and be
active participating, because I do think it is the best
era in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I think so too, man. I think you know
the blog era or you know the era that I
came in, you know, from what I could see, was
really like the first time someone could just like broadcast
themselves out on the on the same platform as like
the people that was on like the major independent. Yeah,
it was the first of that. I remember the first
(26:24):
time because I started putting my music on DSPs in
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So, there was a friend of mine, his name was uh,
his name was an architect. He was like, Yo, I
got a song that's on iTunes. I'm like, what, because
I'm buzzing at the time. I mean Cleveland. I'm like
Ship the Ripper, but I'm not on iTunes, you know
what I mean. I didn't even think that was an option,
but I'm going crazy. So once I found that out,
(26:50):
oh man, Yeah, I used my Uh. I didn't even
have a credit card. You had to have a credit
card for ten dollars for a tone corps and have
a credit kid been around for So I use my
son's mother's credit card for that ten dollars and uploaded
Bitch I Feel Good one of my singles, and the
rest is history.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
That's crazy. Yeah, what was uh? What was it like
being around the early like Cuddy days? Did you guys?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Because I don't know how because I always tell people this,
like I think Kanye throughout his career, you can kind
of point to most of his albums and he's kind
of like sampled people's energies that's been around him. Like
I think like he sampled Chance to Rapp her a
little bit on you know, the Life of Pablo Travis
on Jesus. But I think obviously eight O eight's is
(27:42):
like that's just kid cutty. Like it's like if you're
a kid cutting fan at that time, you know a
kid named Cuddy and all that shit. You're like, oh,
this is like Kanye's rendition of like Cuddy kind of
you know, definitely, But can you just kind of describe
because I think at that time you probably y'all don't
really realize y'all are like make in history.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And that's the thing. Yeah, we we had no idea.
I was telling somebody the other day when when we
did just what I Am, which is double platinum crazy,
you know what I mean. I was writing the lyrics
and when I got to neighbors knocking on the door
asking can we turn it down? I say, ain't no
music on? She's say no, that weed is loud. I
was like, man, that shit is corny. I'm about to
(28:22):
take this out the verse. This is weak. Like they're
gonna laugh when they hear that. They're gonna be like,
what that was whack like? But like you said, I
had no idea what I was doing, and that would
have been the dumbest thing to take that out. But
it's just like, you know, it's all natural, you know
what I mean. Everything is organic. It's not like we
trying to like sound. We're not comparing ourselves to any
(28:43):
other sound. It's all real and it's influenced by none
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So are you are you a part of any of
those eight o weight sessions?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh No, I wasn't. I wasn't around when they when
they made that. I was. I was shit, Probably was
somewhere running around on tour or something like because that
way year was that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That was so if Man on the Moon wash eight
eight O eight's was oh seven.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I was. Let me see it
probably was like oh eight shit, I was, man, we
were doing ninety shows a year man around that time,
like I was moving.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy because, like I do think
the first Man on the Moon album is like, yeah,
it's to some like that's like a life changing album
for a lot of people, Like a lot of like that.
People are so passionate about that project in particular.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, they'll fucking die about that album.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Like I've got like people get into real real arguments
like it's Lebron and Kobe.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know, straight up that album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know I remember when I when I was you know,
during that time, uh when when Higher because hires on there,
I played it for him when he came to the
crib and he was like, y'all need this for the album.
I was like, take it, yeah, you know what I mean,
Like sometimes you just gotta like the best things that
I've ever done was like for myself was not trying
to like hold onto things too tight, you know what
(30:15):
I mean, right, because cain't nothing better coming on hand
if it's closed tight, you know what I mean. So
you know, I'll let that record fly. But you know,
during that time, that was like the what'd you would
you consider that blog era still.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Early because I think OW eight was like, oh wait,
it's like cool kids Cuddy, Yeah, I mean because there
was a kidnap. I feel like a kidnamed Cuddy was
like kind of ground floor blog era shit.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, so that was I think that's like the beginning. Yeah,
I had the Cleveland Show. The Cleveland Show was yeah,
was that was? That was back when we were putting
more than twenty songs on that on the project. I
had like I almost had like thirty, so I think
got like twenty eight that that.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Was definitely like, uh, it was something because that was
still that was still kind of like the end of
like physical like not the end of physical mixtapes because
they were still around. But I feel like a kid
named Cuddy was like you could still go to like
the bodega or like the barbershop and it'd be there,
like you could buy it like from like the you
(31:21):
know your bootleg man, but it was still also online.
So I guess it's kind of I kind of look
at like cool kids and all that whole era is
like kind of like the beginning kids in the hall.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That ship is in the hall, man, the Knowledge, double Knowledge,
and double Low. That's what's up.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
What was the name of that album, that first album.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It was called album. It was called You're talking about
kids in the whole album? Yeah, I can see that.
I can see the coverage. Yeah, it's it's on the
tip of my brain, the in crowd, the in crowd.
I can see the cover in my head.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Shout out to those guys.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Man, Man, I feel like them and the cool kids
changed so much.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And that's like all out of the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know the Midwest, well, chuck from Detroit, but Rapids,
I mean, but that's that Me and West. You know,
the Me and West, even even from Boosy Collins too,
you know all that Me and West flavor. You know
what I'm saying like that's that's that's where that should
originate from.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Right, do you.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Like? Uh, how often are you working on new ship?
Like are you always writing references like.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's a lifestyle. Yeah, it's a lifestyle man. I got
a studio in North Hollywood and we just like that's
like our headquarters, and were just it's a factory, you
know what I mean? Like we do you know a
to z you know, from film to music. We we
do it all. So we're constantly working on all type
(32:55):
of shit.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Man, are you writing for other people still?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You know what? I want to get it into that more. Yeah,
I haven't really had the outlet to do it, but
I definitely want to.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, I want to. I wanna.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I got a lot of dope songs that aren't necessarily
for me for somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I feel like a lot of artists Like He's like,
you get inspired to go in and you're like, I
don't know if I should be saying this.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, you just do it. You just create because that's
you know, I mean, that's what it is. But everything
ain't always for you. That don't mean you shouldn't make
it right.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's fair man, that's fair. Well, listen. I appreciate you
pulling up.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
We're gonna have you do another freestyle because you had
a legendary one in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah yeah, heah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That shit was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
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Bootleg cap podcast man special guests in here. His new
album just drop last month. What was around Christmas?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Christmas Day?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
On Christmas?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, wrapping paper, wrapping paper.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
So this is the sequel to Gift Wraps the first one.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yep, it is a sequeence like Gift Wraps two. We
even put Gift Raps two in the parentheses.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What was the first one like to that in twelve
and I.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Was like twelve thirteen, I want to say twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Yeah, so it's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, why why make this project the sequel?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Did it just you feel like it just made sense?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Or was it did you go into it saying this
is going to be the sequel or was it like
once you started making and you're like, oh this.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Kind of yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean every year we have an opportunity, me and
Chuck had an opportunity to drop wrapping Paper because we've
been had this plan, We've had a touch yeah, but
we just would miss the mark at the like like
we would like realize it's too late. I would hit
him up like in November like oh shit, we should
drive wrapping paper, and then it just wouldn't be enough time.
But this year we really was like, noah, let's do it,
(01:42):
like from like months and months prior, so are we
going to make this year to be the year we
drive wrapping paper? And we just got it done.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
So cause he's been on the on. He put out
a cool kids album this year, he just got off tour. Yeah,
you guys were all like this whole year, it's all
already kind of been in the cars that this was
going to come out.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, going into the holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, he was. He was on him and Mikey was
on the road, and and I was just busy with
with a bunch of stuff I was doing, man writing,
I'm writing a couple of films and like just doing
a bunch of shitting between the albums. But our times
just aligned. This year was like all right, let's go,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Is this all like stuff that's just been sitting on
our drive that you guys had done or is it new?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
No, it's new.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We had a couple of records that we that I
started recording years ago, but only one of them made
the album and the rest of them are are all
new records, you know what I mean. Like we we
started it, you know, it was a few Like like
I said, every year on around Christmas, we just like
start off a little too late.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Do you feel like because I feel like, you know,
shout to Chuck because Chuck is one of those underrated producers.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Every Yeah, Chuck English.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Do you feel like it's a different dynamic than like
like working just like solely with the single producer when
you like sit down and do like Okay, we're doing
the whole album as opposed to like, you know, piecing
together with different guys.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's honestly, I feel like it's better to have everything
come from one producer. It's probably easier, easier too, but
you just can deliver a sound instead of like a
medley of your picks, you know what I mean, try
to make that into a sound, you know what I mean. So,
I mean it's really no right or wrong way to
(03:28):
do it. But for this being a sequel, you know,
I had to really it was like give raps is
a hard act to follow, you know what I mean. So,
and they don't even have no features on it. So
I was like, yo, we got to really make this
like compete. You know, you gotta go. You gotta go
against old Chuck. That's what I told him, Like, you
got to go against against yourself. Yeah, so he was like,
(03:50):
I'll beat Old Chuck's ass, That's what he says.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
What he said, I mean, and you got dope features
on here, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you got the
Cleveland guy shout to Kels.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was it hard to get kills?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Like getting rapper mode when he's like running around the
world is a pop star now and like a rocker like.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Man, you know what kills he He is a maniac
man artistically, Like, he just can't be stopped no matter
what's going on, whether it's switching genres or whatever. He's
he's ready a ready, acting up. Yeah, So it's really
no stopping him. And he was up for the challenge.
He he was you know, once he once I told him,
he was like, let's go. So it wasn't really hard
(04:28):
to pull everybody together, which was a blessing, man, you
know what I mean, because really people don't know how
hard it is to pull artists together, you know. And
all of them came in and really just looked out
for me, man, So you know, shout out to everybody.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Was you, because I feel like early on, like MGK
was a pretty like outspoken guy. Yeah, did it take
a while for like you and Cutty to kind of
get aligned with him, like in terms of like you
guys being on the same page and like rocking with
each other.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, you know, it's it's it's all a part
of this, you know what I mean. And I think
that's what makes it so beautiful. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
When mg came in the game, he was talking about it.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean, but that's what hip hop is about for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Like he backed it up. It's not a crazy career.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's like it's one of the things where I appreciate
it because that's what gives everything. It's substance, you know
what I mean. Like I said, this whole part of
the story, Like you know, you see how everything on
folds till now, Like this is how it's supposed to be.
If it was peachy the whole time, it wouldn't be
such an uproar, right, you know what I mean. So,
like I think that's the beautiful thing about it. Man.
(05:35):
But me and Cale has always been great though, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I mean, I always tell people this.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's like one of the most solid, never switched up,
great dudes in music.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Man, he's a real dude too, man, you know what
I mean, real guy, Yeah, real yeah, shots. We are
real you know, come from Ohio. That's how that's how
we are.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
We don't care about the fan or none of that.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Like we got Man, who do you have if you
were to remove yourself out of the conversation, Who's who's
in the Cleveland mount Rushmore?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Oh? If I remove myself Cleveland Mount Rushmore, Now that's
hip hop hip hop. Okay, now we're narrowing it down. Well,
does Bone.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Fish got otherwise there there it's all for.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And they can't cut you have a monument in front
of the capitol. Otherwise the real Mount rush it's just.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Five.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Then you got flesh up there too, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, damn Okay Mount Rushmore. Let's see, it's tough because
how many spots are four? Okay?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Fo uh.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Now my Mount Rushmore is predicated on pioneer ship if
that's a word, you.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Know what I mean, for the for the for the city.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So so we're gonna go with uh
mc brains is one of the rappers that I heard
Crazy Bones said he was aspiring to be like you
know what I'm saying, Like, so I would have to
put him then, of course bone would get that second
slot third in hip hop. I would have to go
(07:26):
with Ray Cash.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
That album was so fire.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I was on there a little bit,
like my voice was on there. I was pumped, like
I was so happy about that.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Man.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That was a great project. What was it called Cash
on Delivery? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I went and brought that out the record store
when it still had record store.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Very very good album.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, man, shout to the Kick drums too. They produced it.
But yeah, I would go, I would go, Ray Cash,
that's three right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yep, one more and I got one more.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's hard.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
You gotta kind of put Cuddy in there. You gotta
kind of right, It's like.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah, I mean I want it's yeah, of course, yeah,
I want to put Cuddy in there. But you said
take me out, You're gonna take yourself out. Yeah, So
I mean yeah, we could pioneership. Yeah, that's so. So
it's gonna go mc brains bone thus of harmony, Ray
Cash and Kid cutting it.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And I mean, like I said, I wish I could
keep going because you know, it's a lot of rappers
even now today that's opening the door for new new artists.
It ain't just us no more, you know what I mean. Now,
it's like people holding that door for the for the
next artist, which is which is what I love to see,
you know what I mean. It's a guy in Cleveland.
He goes around all the uh Target stores and he
(08:50):
go up to people and he asks them who's their
favorite Cleveland artists. His brand is called hardest in the city.
But like that's where that's where I go to really
like see who's really popping, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Dope boy's been doing this thing for boy.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, yeah, dope boy. You got a guy named No
Love China. Man, It's it's a lot. It's a lot
of dope artists come from the city.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Man, are you Are you on the Shador train?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I love Shador man?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah? Is he? Is he the future?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
I think so? I think so.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know at all the quarterbacks you guys have had, Yeah,
it's been some bad ones. Here's the lowest QBR That's
what I'm saying. And it's like, no, no, that's not good.
He's like eighteen QBR.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, what's talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm just curious because they fired Stefanski. I'm like, what
are they gonna do? And ship are they picking a
quarterback in the first round. It's a bad draft to
pick a quarter I think you give s your door
a full season to see if yah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I feel like they took him out the game for
a while, you know what I mean, when we first
got in and got that win, and then they like
satting down.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
They gotta they gotta just give him a year you
all drafted to because he ain't him or dying Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
You gotta give give him a shot to keep.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, give him, give him a little consistency where we
can you know, where he can get some sake.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Trade Miles Garrett, Man, Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He just hit that.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Get him out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
What's it called the record for sack.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yes, he's gonna be like Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Bro Joe Thomas, one of the greatest offensive linemen of
all times, spent his whole career in Cleveland playing me
and it was game.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah. You want to see him get a win, Send
him somewhere where he could get a ring or something. Man,
we're gonna get man. Look, I'm telling you the one
thing about the Browns fan, Man, it's like, ain't no
greater glory, just like the Calves. When the Calves won
it's twenty sixteen. It wasn't no greater glory than when
we had that win because we.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Get it, but you get but you guys have Lebron Yeah,
like two thousand and five.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, look, I'm a I'm an Arizona sports fan,
so I have told him to talk where like Brown's
junior with the Cardinals.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
We fucking suck.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
I used to I used to like, uh Randy Johnson,
Oh yeah, yeah, great, great picture for the Arizondonda. He
had that mustache. He wasn't playing.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Did you ever see him throw?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He killed it, killed the bird. Fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
He was the man though. He was like eight feet tall.
What's the new? The new?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Uh? The Indians aren't the Indians? What are they now? Commanded?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
No, they're the Guardians, bro, Guardians, Guardians. Man, that's real
and real Cleveland. There's gonna feel when I say this.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Man, that's I don't even think they make retro like
Indians hats anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Such a dope log.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's a heartbreak.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, it's a classic.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's like, man, it's crazy. Man, that's a that's a
crazy story.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Man. They're good. The Guardians are good.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
They're really good. They're really good. They're really good.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know what I meant? A hockey team in Cleveland. No,
Columbus we got that, we got the we's had a monsters.
I don't know if we still got Columbus has a
hockey team. Yeah, Columbus does, or maybe they went there.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Maybe I think they're called the Columbus. I don't know
all mohammies from Columbus AF fucking yeah. We used to
have a stage and then there's a there's a hockey team.
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Speaker 2 (13:50):
Larry June's on the on there, yeah, Larry June.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Uh. And that's an NHL team right. Oh shit, I'm
not crazy.
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Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, you got some dope features on here.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Like when it comes to the fat the Fat Raps four,
was it like one putting all those guys on the
song together?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
How hard was it?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And who who's the toughest verse to get over the
finish line before the album came out?
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Toughest verse to get over the finish line before the
album came out was MGK Verse only because of time,
because he was on tour and he went out and
got some equipment and set up just to do fat
raps for just for the Verse, just on tour. And
I was crazy, you know what I mean. But the
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first person who stepped up to the plate was Denzel Curry.
M Dinzel Curry stepped up.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He is crazy, man.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was in the man I was. We were in
the studio together, so I was like trying to keep
my composure and not make no noise because like it's
gonna pick up the sound. But I was like, damg,
he going crazy here right now.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And he's one of the best live performers.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah he is, you know, he know real jiu jitsu.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
It's not jiu jitsu. He knows, he knows muy Thai
muy Thai.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, one of the fucker will kill you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah. I was in Thailand with him like twenty twenty
four and he was like, yeah, I come here all
the time to train, and I'm like what. He's like, yeah,
like whatever belt he is like, I'm like, oh, you're
fucking He's like no, like I came to Thailand and trained.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, he's for real with that shit. Karate O your
head fucking around with Denzel Curry with Denzel nah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Because that muy Thai ship is like I feel like
more Thai is the m m A or the martial art,
whatever you're gonna call it. That's like best applicable the
street fights. Yeah, yeah, that ship is. They call it
the art of eight limbs, the muy Thai. Right, yeah,
that's what the elbows and ship it's over then. Yeah,
I elbowed a heavy bag. I saw the difference. I'm like,
(15:52):
when I first tried that shit, let me try more time.
I'm like, oh no. We went to some like Multai
fights in Patong Beach and there was like ten year
old kids feeding a living.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Ship out of each other. It was fucking crazy. We
saw like ten fights.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Two of them or were kids, but nine out of
the ten fights in it in cold knockouts.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Damn motherfuckers. Yeah, elbows, elbows to the head.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Man. I went to Thailand. I didn't get to catch
any fights though, but or something else. No, man, I
ain't even because they said there was something about the
you know, you gotta be careful, you know, so I
was like, I'm cool, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
But you know, Thailand's beautiful. I don't know what part
you went to I was.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I was in Bangkok, then I went to.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Wire where'd you go?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I went right before the Like when I came back
from Thailand, the whole country shut down, like ty is nice.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah, it was like it was.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Crazy because it's like it was no sign of the
COVID anything when we left, but then when we came back,
it was.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Like and then you're in Asia where it's like super
everyone's I'm thinking, like, Okay, if it's coming from this way,
why these people shut down? Like Thailand is different, dog
ain't like you know, like Japan, and I feel like
China they're very very very like Thailand has just turned up.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Let me tell you something I like about Thailand and
something I don't. I like the people. Man, It feel
like they just reel down to earth, you know what
I mean. And they don't. They ain't with no bullshit.
Like if you lost in the directions, they'll walk off
on you. They won't even answer you like they real
they real people. But it's smell like doodoo sometimes when
you're there.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, I mean, I mean it smells like dude sometimes
in La.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
True that night smell like hot garbage in La and
fetnah and human.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
La got its parts and just pissed. Just walk walk
down fucking you know any Spring Street and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's a piss factory.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Sniff All that human homeless pitch mixed was fatin off smooth.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I don't know if they got.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
The probably got fed on Thailand. Oh yeah, what I
don't know. I know that they fired that ship up
out there, probably.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Lit though shouts to Thailand.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I was on the took took, you know what I'm saying.
All the little little tax killed things. They drive crazy
out there for sure.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yo. When you watch the did you watch the Diddy documentary?
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I did so.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
When they brought up like him breaking into Cuddy's house,
Like from you're not You're obviously really close with Cuddy.
Did that ship like happened the way? Like from what
you know? Do you like that ship's like this motherfuckers
in there opening presence?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, I mean from I wasn't there when he was
opening the presence when when I came in, I mean,
because of course now we passed that part. So I
mean I didn't say nothing for thirteen years, right, I
mean all this, I didn't mention none of it. But yeah,
I took the pictures that they used in court. Oh really, yeah,
those are those of my pictures because he, you know,
(19:00):
I had to just you know, he and me up
was like yoall go check on this. And I went
up there and I'm like, whoa, this is crazy. But
i didn't see him in the house or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
So you get to the house and like someone's obviously
been inside.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah no, no, no, no, I don't know about the inside.
I just went I was just in the in the driveway.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Are you talking about when the car got set on fire?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, I'm I came after that.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
But but okay, So because because there was a day.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I think when that there was like the girl who
testified his old assistant who said there was like a
time like she pretty much got kidnapped. They went up
to Cuddy's house and he went into the house and
was like fucking with the dogs and like opening presents.
But then a car got blown up. I don't are
were those two separate things or one thing?
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Not sure? So when did you Which day did you
get called? Was there a blown up car?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
It was the with the pictures that you saw? Oh
that's what I saw, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
The car? Yeah, so you you came to the scene
and you see the car, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Taking the first responded, oh, ship. And then and then
like you know, then like the like the fire trucks
starts showing up and everything.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But what kind of the night do you get this call? Like, yo,
this is broad day, broad daylight? Did it look like
someone like like it was some arts and ship.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It looked like a bad job. It looked like somebody
didn't know what they were doing really, but they were
just mad.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Damn. Do you think it was him that did it
or do you think he had someone do it?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I couldn't tell you. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I mean cut he gotta have some ring cams in
that motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I would hope this.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Was like you know what I'm saying, that.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Had to be a crazy thing.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Like when you're like like because at that time, twenty twelve,
I feel like like you said, like you could get
away with a lot more ship because the world's not
as surveyed, like right now you have fucking the snitch
Facebook classes.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Oh no, you ain't Facebook.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
You in your fucking glasses.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He's come from Ali Baba.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Shot you come up on for the low.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, But I'm saying, like twelve, you could, I mean,
motherfuckers can move around with a lot more like and
get away with straight up.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's different now even even in Cleveland they got this
thing called Raven, and Raven is some type of uh
equipment electronic technical techn you no tech equipment or whatever
that's in the ghetto.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And it has facial recognition.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Well no, this every time anytime a gun is fired,
it basically alert where it happened and who did it.
And in the same go for like like if you
got a stolen car, it'll like read your plates and
then it'll let them know like oh, yeah, stolen car
just came into city.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh we saw like it reads the place. If you
report your car stolen, there's cameras, yep. Sof it drives by.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yep, if you get picked up by the camp.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Man.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't like the surveilling state ship.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I mean, you got to do the right thing, man,
Spike Lee tried to tell you. You know what I'm saying.
We ain't listening. You know, I started listening, you know.
But if you do the right thing, you ain't really
got to worry about nothing for real. But I mean,
I really don't like all of the surveilling and watching
and the Big Brother and all of that.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's like, and now there's drones and ship when.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
You're being watched, It's really like, at what point do
we draw the line? Because we keep pushing the envelope
further and further and just blame it on technology.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
The only time I felt bad for Drake during the
whole you know, his last couple of years was when
he was chilling in Australia and some fucking just flies
on his satio and he's like on the hundredth floor
and he's like, what the F. I'm like, come on, man, Like,
poor guy, Like if he was up there, you know,
rubbing one out, you know what I mean, Like he.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Could have been.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's getting crazy, man, drones. I've seen people hooking up
guns to him and.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Oh yeah, it's getting crazy. So I want to I
want to close the chapter on the on the cutting
thing because it is interesting. I think it's one of
the biggest stories of the year. So you show so
cud he hits you, hey, something's going on at the
house or did he already know that the car was
He just said to the you know, yeah, yeah, he
just yeah, because you're in town. I'm sure he's not
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in town.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, yeah I was. I was. I just so happened
to be in the area.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
And and at the time I didn't live too far anyway,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
So so you put up to the house cars cooked, Yeah,
you call the cops.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
No, okay, no, Like a neighbor was had stepped out too,
and we were both like, you know what I mean,
it started becoming a thing, and like then it started
becoming the show.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know, like did you have any idea, like any
idea that like there was this thing with like Cassie
and like the Diddy shit was like could potentially become
messy as just being close to the situation being a
homeade cuddies.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I didn't know. It was really nothing that I've seen.
I mean in the way we move, like we'd been
moving like world leaders, you know what I mean? Right,
we really don't be like announcing a lot of the
things we do, even though they really cool things or
like really interesting or like I don't And I thought
that was just me. But then it was like I
noticed that he was like that too, and I think
that's why we do That's why we clicked too, because
(24:11):
we weren't really like superficial in that way. We just
so a lot of things that was really cool that
would happen. I wouldn't know he would, you know, I
would find out like, oh you went through it. Oh yeah,
yeah I did that the other day, Like damn, that's crazy,
you know what I mean. We weren't. We weren't really
boasting like that. So he ain't come to me and
like yo goods like it was just around. Nah, I
(24:31):
didn't never met her.
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make sure you shoot them a visit. It's crazy because
like you have been a part of like so many
historical points in like hip hop. If you think about
just like the blog area in general, and do some
of the albums that you've been on, Like you're on
Freddy's first album, Well, I guess Straight Killer is not
really the album.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's like eight songs.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I mean, I thought there was an album it was no.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean it's the first album I ever got thanked
in the credits fire and then obviously the cutty stuff
you're on Detroit. You're on so much shit, do you
when you think back to like the era of like
just like the Too Dope Boys, the No Rights and
just like there was so much free music getting dropped
(25:41):
and I don't even think anybody really realized like we're
in an era where you could tour and make real
money off of like just putting out a fucking zip.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
File of an album. Yeah what what?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
What is your favorite part about that whole kind of
just era of hip hop that you were able to
kind of just see with your own eyes and be
active participating, because I do think it is the best
era in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, I think so too, man. I think you know
the blog era or you know the era that I
came in, you know, from what I could see, was
really like the first time someone could just like broadcast
themselves out on the on the same platform as like
the people that was on like the major independent. Yeah,
it was the first of that. I remember the first
(26:24):
time because I started putting my music on DSPs in
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
So, there was a friend of mine, his name was uh,
his name was an architect. He was like, Yo, I
got a song that's on iTunes. I'm like, what, because
I'm buzzing at the time. I mean Cleveland. I'm like
Ship the Ripper, but I'm not on iTunes, you know
what I mean. I didn't even think that was an option,
but I'm going crazy. So once I found that out,
(26:50):
oh man, Yeah, I used my Uh. I didn't even
have a credit card. You had to have a credit
card for ten dollars for a tone corps and have
a credit kid been around for So I use my
son's mother's credit card for that ten dollars and uploaded
Bitch I Feel Good one of my singles, and the
rest is history.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
That's crazy. Yeah, what was uh? What was it like
being around the early like Cuddy days? Did you guys?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Because I don't know how because I always tell people this,
like I think Kanye throughout his career, you can kind
of point to most of his albums and he's kind
of like sampled people's energies that's been around him. Like
I think like he sampled Chance to Rapp her a
little bit on you know, the Life of Pablo Travis
on Jesus. But I think obviously eight O eight's is
(27:42):
like that's just kid cutty. Like it's like if you're
a kid cutting fan at that time, you know a
kid named Cuddy and all that shit. You're like, oh,
this is like Kanye's rendition of like Cuddy kind of
you know, definitely, But can you just kind of describe
because I think at that time you probably y'all don't
really realize y'all are like make in history.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And that's the thing. Yeah, we we had no idea.
I was telling somebody the other day when when we
did just what I Am, which is double platinum crazy,
you know what I mean. I was writing the lyrics
and when I got to neighbors knocking on the door
asking can we turn it down? I say, ain't no
music on? She's say no, that weed is loud. I
was like, man, that shit is corny. I'm about to
(28:22):
take this out the verse. This is weak. Like they're
gonna laugh when they hear that. They're gonna be like,
what that was whack like? But like you said, I
had no idea what I was doing, and that would
have been the dumbest thing to take that out. But
it's just like, you know, it's all natural, you know
what I mean. Everything is organic. It's not like we
trying to like sound. We're not comparing ourselves to any
(28:43):
other sound. It's all real and it's influenced by none
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
So are you are you a part of any of
those eight o weight sessions?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Oh No, I wasn't. I wasn't around when they when
they made that. I was. I was shit, Probably was
somewhere running around on tour or something like because that
way year was that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That was so if Man on the Moon wash eight
eight O eight's was oh seven.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I was. Let me see it
probably was like oh eight shit, I was, man, we
were doing ninety shows a year man around that time,
like I was moving.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy because, like I do think
the first Man on the Moon album is like, yeah,
it's to some like that's like a life changing album
for a lot of people, Like a lot of like that.
People are so passionate about that project in particular.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, they'll fucking die about that album.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Like I've got like people get into real real arguments
like it's Lebron and Kobe.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You know, straight up that album is crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You know I remember when I when I was you know,
during that time, uh when when Higher because hires on there,
I played it for him when he came to the
crib and he was like, y'all need this for the album.
I was like, take it, yeah, you know what I mean,
Like sometimes you just gotta like the best things that
I've ever done was like for myself was not trying
to like hold onto things too tight, you know what
(30:15):
I mean, right, because cain't nothing better coming on hand
if it's closed tight, you know what I mean. So
you know, I'll let that record fly. But you know,
during that time, that was like the what'd you would
you consider that blog era still.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Early because I think OW eight was like, oh wait,
it's like cool kids Cuddy, Yeah, I mean because there
was a kidnap. I feel like a kidnamed Cuddy was
like kind of ground floor blog era shit.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, so that was I think that's like the beginning. Yeah,
I had the Cleveland Show. The Cleveland Show was yeah,
was that was? That was back when we were putting
more than twenty songs on that on the project. I
had like I almost had like thirty, so I think
got like twenty eight that that.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Was definitely like, uh, it was something because that was
still that was still kind of like the end of
like physical like not the end of physical mixtapes because
they were still around. But I feel like a kid
named Cuddy was like you could still go to like
the bodega or like the barbershop and it'd be there,
like you could buy it like from like the you
(31:21):
know your bootleg man, but it was still also online.
So I guess it's kind of I kind of look
at like cool kids and all that whole era is
like kind of like the beginning kids in the hall.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
That ship is in the hall, man, the Knowledge, double Knowledge,
and double Low. That's what's up.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
What was the name of that album, that first album.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It was called album. It was called You're talking about
kids in the whole album? Yeah, I can see that.
I can see the coverage. Yeah, it's it's on the
tip of my brain, the in crowd, the in crowd.
I can see the cover in my head.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
Shout out to those guys.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Man, Man, I feel like them and the cool kids
changed so much.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
And that's like all out of the Midwest.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
You know the Midwest, well, chuck from Detroit, but Rapids,
I mean, but that's that Me and West. You know,
the Me and West, even even from Boosy Collins too,
you know all that Me and West flavor. You know
what I'm saying like that's that's that's where that should
originate from.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Right, do you.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Like? Uh, how often are you working on new ship?
Like are you always writing references like.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
It's a lifestyle. Yeah, it's a lifestyle man. I got
a studio in North Hollywood and we just like that's
like our headquarters, and were just it's a factory, you
know what I mean? Like we do you know a
to z you know, from film to music. We we
do it all. So we're constantly working on all type
(32:55):
of shit.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Man, are you writing for other people still?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
You know what? I want to get it into that more. Yeah,
I haven't really had the outlet to do it, but
I definitely want to.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, I want to. I wanna.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I got a lot of dope songs that aren't necessarily
for me for somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I feel like a lot of artists Like He's like,
you get inspired to go in and you're like, I
don't know if I should be saying this.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, you just do it. You just create because that's
you know, I mean, that's what it is. But everything
ain't always for you. That don't mean you shouldn't make
it right.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's fair man, that's fair. Well, listen. I appreciate you
pulling up.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
We're gonna have you do another freestyle because you had
a legendary one in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah yeah, heah yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That shit was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So we're gonna spend the block. Go get the new album,
Wrapping Paper, Wrapping Paper, Yes, Produced entirely by Chuck English
of the Cool Kids, Oh Support, Let's go to Blueleg
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