#633 - French Montana on His $1M Proposal, Industry Politics, Chinx Legacy, Drake & More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What up.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
It's your boy Fresh Montana. Check me out with my
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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(00:51):
carried New York on his back for the better part
of the last you know, I don't know, there was
like a nice little seven or eight year run there
where you were the face of the whole shit, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah, yeah, Montana, we ain't going nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Welcome to Heah, listen this Cooke Wave three point five
is uh. You guys delivered, That's all I'll say.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man, thank you, Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
That means a lot in an era where a lot
of people who put out albums with a lot of
anticipation don't necessarily deliver. Man, this was exactly what I
feel like. Yeah, you guys picked right back up. It's
a certain sound, yeah, and it's elevated. Man. Yeah, the
production is so crazy on this album. Man, shots to
everybody like Metro obviously, Harry fraud like.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, Grease shot, Johnny Goldstein shot, yeah, shot to everybody
to play the part.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Man, is that sound?

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Does that sound that we me and my boy get
in there?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
We just got that. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I was gonna ask you like for you like, you know,
obviously you and Max talk all the time and he's incarcerated,
but he gets out, Like is there any sort of
hiccups in the chemistry or is it like kind of
picking up Like.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I kind of like kept them in in the loop
throughout the whole time when he was locked up. Like
every time before I put out something, you know, we
would go through this and that. Like when we did
Wave Guards, he hosted it. He was he had a
song damn now and everything that I dropped. But he
every time he writes something, he would hit me be like, yo,
listen to this. Then he'd be doing features from there.

(02:11):
And I mean he was always in the loop. I
mean I just think that we like musically inclined, right.
It's like, you know, we always me and him been
digging into crate since day one, and we always kind
of match with the with the with with with the
sonic and the sound. So it's always that frequency of
me and him, like we kind of like grew up
on the same music.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You have one of the best ears for production, I
feel like, especially when it like like just underrated with
your ear when it comes to picking. Like I think
back to that Montaga album was fucking crazy Harry Frog,
Oh my god, such a slept on project.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yea, yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I mean it's like like like Max Will says, a
late bloom.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, but it was it was solid. But for you,
like what is it about your ear? And like the
beat peak picking selection, like, like, do you know exactly
what you're looking for? How involved are you? Especially on
this album? Was you and Max going through beats?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
It was? It was. It was definitely a collaboration. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's definitely a collaboration. But he's been he's been locked
up for so long. I had so so many beats,
Like every time doing the album or something, there will
be joints. I'll just be like, oh, I can't do
this by myself. I gotta just put this away, put
it in his sick Yeah. So I had a bunch
of those just just just to the side. But as
far as picking beats, yeah, he's he's he's immaculate with
it too.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
He like he goes in digging the crazy and he
be pulling out some ships sometimes to be like, how
the fuck you got that? Especially West Coast.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say that. Ever since you left
me record, I feel like we're in it. We have
so much like lack of tempo right now. Yeah, like
when you go to the fucking club dog like it's depressing. Yeah,
And yeah, y'all gave us a record that is obviously yeah,
it's it's got West Coast bounce to it, and do
you know what I'm saying, do and it got like, uh,

(03:52):
we know the sample a generational bridge. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
You got certain people that relate to this sample and
you got uh the gen zs they relate to the
bounce because it's a new bounce. That's that's that's what
they using a drill too. You know, it's like everything
comes together in that record.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
What was the process like getting Metro Booming to come
on board and like, you know, he handled some some
amazing work on this project and obviously Metros.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Yeah, yeah, Metro that's my guy.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Man, He's the Metro Wave. Record is fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, he's in one of the you know, I mean,
I don't got to say it.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
He's damn near the biggest producer that generation. Yeah, I
think if our generation I called I called him the
Minder and day Doctor Dre that's my boy. Shot the
Metro man shot them, I broke cash, shot the South,
a shot to.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
The whole team.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It's just Metro was was so part of the culture.
Well me and Max was coming up and you know
he kind of grew up on that type of music.
So when Cash hit me, I was just like, you know,
like let's let's let's make it happen.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
But it was.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
It was supposed to be a whole tape done well
Max and Metro. But the way Max came home and
he has so many records with Greece and and and
fraud and we never actually never did an album with
one person, but Metro will be the first person that
will do it.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So so that's still in the work.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, yeah, still in the worst we were, Still we
still got to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
It feels like Metro like understood the assignment, which means
he had just been like a big family.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
He came with those ready, then the Sarenation one, he
just went in the room and he locked himself in
there and and I remember Max just walking by his
room and he came in and he was.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Like, can you believe this? Motherfucking there man, he been
hot and shit, we will walk in there and Metros like,
now I just made this. So it's kind of like
a funny ass moment.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well that's though too, because as you know, man, like
sometimes you don't even see a producer. You might they
might make the album, you might not even meet him.
They might might be off YouTube, but to be able
to be in the lab and like create no Metro
say I'm coming. Yeah, Metro say I'm coming. That's important
man for you man, Like, do you feel like I
feel like this album is going crazy? Obviously, Rocky's album

(06:07):
just hit number one. Like it feels like New York
Is is definitely.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Making Marty Rocky cash Us.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Boogie. New York is good man, you know it's good
even though o G's doing anything.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, it feels like, you know, I feel like everyone's
got like even if they're not rapping, they have their
podcasting like a mother.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, of course, Like everybody's got their podcast.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Joe is lit.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Everybody got a podcast.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I just saw Murder and Yayo podcast having them got
a podcast. Joe and them got a podcast. Man, I
just feel like, you know, the game is growing, you know,
the game is growing. Everybody doing anything, everybody looking, everybody hustles, right. Yeah,
So some people rap because they want to make money

(06:58):
and some people, you know, I really love the passionate music.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
By the end of the day, when you grow and.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Accomplish everything you want, sometimes you want to just you know,
spread your wings a little bit.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Would you ever entertain doing being a personality like that?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
For me, it's not fair because there will be some
days that I don't want to do it and I
don't want to cheat the fans, right, you know what
I'm saying. So like today I might be like I
want to do a podcast and talking my shit, but
then you know, tomorrow I don't feel like going.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's a job.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
And like Joe and Jada, when I went there, it
was like it's a job, Like oh, you really have
to be hit and like yeah, like all right, man.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
You will randomly pop up on like these huge records
like last year, you're on one of the biggest like
club records, Moke Chicken with boss Man Dilo.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
That's my thing.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
I like, I like, I like to make sure I'm
want to at least one anthem a year.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, that's been trying to do that my whole career.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
What was the process like getting with him and ending
up on that record.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Shot the Josh and shot to Zoe.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I was in Miami and no no Zoe, my an
R got it. So we was in the studio and
I forgot it was my team and his team that
the managers was talking and there was like, yeah, we're
in Miami and they told him come to the studio.
He came, he played me his album before it came out,

(08:30):
and he was just like going through records. I remember
it was that record and it was another record that
that we cut. But that's one record. As soon as
I heard it because of the whole Biggie and Little
Kim sound on the bag. Money fuck bitch is money.
So I was like, Okay, this is this. This is

(08:52):
more Miami and East Coast vibe. So that one, it
was just and we always knew that was one of those.
I was just waiting for him to drop. It wasn't
the focus single neither.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
It just kind of did his thing. It wasn't the
Yeah it was it. It was like one of them,
Like he's got like three or four of those that
they never worked where you're like, yeah, he's go to
the clear, Like why is it this? Why did they
pushing this? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, exactly. I was handing them up. I was like, yo, bro,
you gotta go to radio mo Chicken.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
You're like super always. I feel like, no matter what
you got going on, tapped in with whatever's going on next? Yeah,
I got think back to like Lockjaw, like you're one
of the earlier dudes who were like super on the
Embrace Kodak, Like, yeah, what is why? Why is that
so important for you?

Speaker 2 (09:34):
I feel like maybe it was because of me and
being a young artist and appreciating when when when the
og or somebody that I grew up listening to their
music reached out to me. Like I always say this,
like when when I was first coming up and Jada
Kiss just came and did a Verse on New York Minute,
you know what I mean, crazy record that hit me different.
So ever since then, he can never hit me, and

(09:56):
I could be like no to anything, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
So I was.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I always told myself that any new artists that I like,
I love to spread my wings. And I also was
in and I'm coming up, and there was a lot
of artists that I was like, yo, I need a
Verse this and that, and there was like twenty thousand
or they gave me.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know, they did the kyri Irvan to spin off,
you know what I'm saying, So what's the spinoff?

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know? To spin Like, yeah, I got you send
it over, I'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, I'm trying to I'm trying
to write my verse, but I don't know if I
can catch this beat. Send me something else, yeah yeah,
send me something else, and it's like, no, this is
the single, bro.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah. So it is that A lot a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Do you remember like when like the switch kind of
flipped for you and you felt like, because obviously you
had been bubbling bubbling so much in the New York
mixtape DVD era and you caught some regional joints, but
I feel like shot Calling was like one of them
records that like it changed, like it changed everything for you. Then.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, yeah it did because you got to think about it.
Cocaine City first one dropped like two thousand and three.
I was like, I'm gonna be an artist, So I
started pulling myself in all them DVDs. Then by the
time like two thousand and five came, I went up
to go see Goby and SRC. Yeah, and that's when
they had all all the artists up there and it

(11:18):
kind of there was like, man, we want to give
you like two hundred thousand dollars to sign this and that,
and never you know, I got this Kyrie Irving spent
off again.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Then I had a record that Goby was playing, so
Akon came and gave me a shopping deal for artists,
So I signed my first deal like two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Then that that was what SRC.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
That was, That was Convict.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
So right after that, I dropped my first mixtape. Then
after that, I think I met Max. I met Max
after I dropped my first single, Straight Cash, so I
met Max. Me and Max did Coke Wave one, we
did Coke Wave two. So me and Max had a
run to like probably two thousand and nine when he
got arrested. Then after that dropped My Mac and Cheese three.

(12:05):
That's when I had Ultro Sinkhole and I had everything
as to go and we had Chopper chopping down, so
I was hitting them with like anthem after anthem.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
That's when I dropped the Sanctuary.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
That's when you know, then when Max got locked up,
it was kind of like everybody turned it back on
me because I was like black ball because just we
were just like you know, one of the first yeah,
you know, drill music, Like we was like bombing on
everybody right, So everybody blackballed me. Then I had to
just go lock in, locked in with Harry Fraud. That's
when I met Harry Fraud. And when me and Harry

(12:39):
Fraud locked in, that's what came out Shot Caller.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
So that was the record that was just like, it.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Doesn't matter who blackballed me, this is gonna cut straight through.
So shot Caller was the one. It was like Moses
when he stood in front of the ocean.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It was crazy Broyah. And then like now, obviously he's
such a part of your sound, Fred, Like think of Harry,
Harry Frod dropped some crazy projects with a lot of
artists like Spitter, like Currncy. But when I think of
Harry Fraud and I think of you, it's like, yeah,
it's like Parrail and the Clips exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, yeah, hell yeah, man, it's like Drey and Snoop.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's crazy, man, like a Kon's ear. He gotta we
gotta put some respect on his name.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, shot the akon Ac is a huddler.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
He had you, lady, God got t pain Yeah, fuck
Red Cafe.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, he could have had the biggest label ever.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's crazy. Yeah, it is interesting because I wonder like, obviously,
I feel like in the last couple of years, you know,
I don't want to get into like the specifics about Diddy.
The bad Boy as a label has such a historical
place in our culture no matter what, you can take
that away, right, But from your perspective of just kind

(13:54):
of you know, sitting back and just seeing everything kind
of unwind over the last couple of years, was your
like you because I talked to Kels about this MGK
recently off camera. Obviously He's like, Man, I hadn't like
everything was fine a bad Boy when you know what
I'm saying, Like, was your experience being on the label
like a positive one? Likely?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Of course, Man, everything is learning experience wherever you are.
Because remember my my thing was it was Mayeback music
or Ross because my deal was like a two way deal. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying. So it was an experience.
I went from me and Max to.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Me and Fraud and y'all got classics together too. Yeah, Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. We got a lot of records.
I wanted to ask you about your relationship with Mac
Miller because you also worked with mac Miller back in
the day shot, and I think Mac Miller is, you know,
a generational talent. Obviously lost him too soon, but I
always wonder man like folks who was able to work
with him the blog era? What what like? What was

(14:56):
y'all's relationship? Like, I was just c Mac and we
just get toasted. That checks out.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's all I remember. I remember just seeing Mac. We
just get toasted.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Man.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It was just he would have this big ass bottle
of Lean and he would pour like the whole half
and then I'd be like, yo, bro, you wilding out
And it was just and it was just that kind
of that cond that was always every time we got together.
We always made some great music. We always had a
great time, and we always you know, had had some memories.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
But he was he was. He was definitely my turn
up partner.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, what year do you feel like? You like? Because
the Lean ship had a hellholder everybody? Yeah, you had
the Lean gup for a sec and then you got
it together and yeah, of course you know what I'm saying.
I forget what you album cover you had, but you
made it a point to show everybody went around in
the gym.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Hell yeah, I mean look you see you see what
happened to mac. You see everything happening to everybody. You
see rich Homi Kwan, you see you know me? I mean,
I just went to the doctor and I ended up
in ic U, and I took the wrong pills and
I ended up in ICU. My doctor was just like, look,
if you drink again, you're gonna die. I was like,

(16:08):
that's all you gotta tell me.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Do you feel like that kicked off? Because you're a pretty
healthy guy. Now you're in great shape, Like that kick off?
You taking your health serious?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Hell yeah, but doctor tell you about to die, you
better take your health serious.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
She that's so that's all you had to tell me.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
That was it.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, that's so, that's all you had to tell me,
You're about to die. I was at ICU for like
three weeks.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Damn, and this was I'm taking something the wrong ship.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Or taking the wrong ship and taking the wrong ship
for so many years.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Right pills.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
You don't know what you know what I'm saying, I
don't know you were.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
You were a legendary partier for sure. Yeah listen, I'm
from Arizona and you had a place called the Pink
Rhino going stupid for yeah, once or twice a year.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, because even even now, it's like you gotta get
a like you really gotta buy your fucking pill and
really put.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
That ship to them and get a fucking test.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Care a test, kid, Then you gotta put that shit.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
If you don't have that, you gotta put that shit
to the light, put your flash light in it.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It just feels like a lot to see to see if.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
It's fuzzy, because if it's fuzzy, you got fucking fitting
on it. You gotta make sure the pills c But
for what right you can't even get high comfortable.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I just smoke weed in each rooms, man.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, fuck that.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
You still smoke weed?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, like nineteen ninety six to me, man, I get lazy.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
What about do you drink a lot? Still?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
No, I don't drink. I stopped drinking.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Oh so you're fucking yeah yeah, check you out. Man,
You're like David Goggins a hip hop Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Man, I'm trying to you know, And I still feel
drunk from the time that I stopped, so for real,
I stopped in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
So I'm like, I'm like, I'm like a good strong seven.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Congrats man, thank you. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Thank you brother.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Do you have an outlet like, uh, like if you like,
if you go out, like you get booked at a club?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Are you like, like I swear to god, my birthday
was last week. Yeah, and I had them bring me
to twelve packs of diet coke like they were bottles
for real. Yeah, I had the bottles. You don't drink, no, no, no,
I was that night. I wasn't trying drink because I
didn't want my wife to be mad at me because
she wasn't in town with me. Yeah, so I had
bottles for the homies. I owned the club. It's my

(18:16):
club in Scotts.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
If you drink your uncontrollable no, no.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, I just I had some uncontrollable times recently and
I was like, look, I'm gonna go. But I had
them bring me diet coke. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
So I was like in the club, Yeah yeah, that's crazy.
But you get booked to do a club? Are you
just hanging out? You're hitting a vape? What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's what I'm saying. Like I would smoke a little hookah.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Hookah okay yeah yeah yeah that checks out.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, little got to the hookah yeah, a little hookah
head and then you know she was going on in
the club, my drinking.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Little diet coke.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Or like some good coke zero monster, good monster drink
love me drinking the monsters.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
You and Uh. When I think of like chemistry and
rap and h you've done so many joint albums or
join projects, I feel like it is crazy that you
and Ross have not done an entire body of.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Work, you know what, Me and him and Max was
shooting his single the other day. He got a single
coming out like next week, if I'm not mistaken, and
I was thinking that was like, Yo, this chemistry is crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
You guys have made classics together.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I'm like, maybe we should, we should, We should probably
get in there with Rose and doing that would be crazy.
But first let me getting me and Max joint out
the way then, but that would be crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Me and Ross got so many joints.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Do you guys have a lot of stuff that we've
never heard they're just sitting sitting around on hard drives
or yeah, definitely first, Yeah, for sure. I think that
Marble Floors is like one of those underrated.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh my god, Marble floors.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, obviously, state, I mean, you got me.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Straight off the boat.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Do you remember when nobody to somebody like that that
joint crazy?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you remember when you cut the State Scheming hook?
Did you realize how big of a anthem that was
going to be? It's like a forever song.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Nah, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I didn't realize it because I didn't really actually like
the beat. No, that was actually a rose pick minees
was straight off the boat.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I was sold in on straight off the boat.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Of course when Ross picked that beat and he just
came on, he was like, all right for my nick dog.
It seems like it to me, it didn't seem like
a big record because it didn't have because that at
that time it was the Lex Luga era and it
was and it was the horns, and it was that vibe.
So I'm like, and he and he and he was

(20:29):
fresh off you know.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Uh, being mad, being mad all that ship.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So it was that sound. That's why I straight off
the boat sound like that, because I remember I took
I took Alex Luga whole hall drive and I had
like every beat that he had on one of my computers.
I can't find it. Yeah, but I told lex Luga that,
I said, I took. I don't know where I took
it from, but I took it. So I didn't really
believe in that record state schema. But when Rose did

(20:56):
the hook, I did my hook, I did my verse.
But the person I saw the potential on that record
is Drake. Drake came in and heard the tape and
he told Rose. He was like, this is the one,
because Drake thing is always like where's the hook?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
This is my thing too. You know what I'm saying,
where's the hook? Where's the hook?

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Because the fastest somebody could hit the hook is the
faster you haven't hit. So Drake was just like, this
the one, because remember that this one got a double hook.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
He does, yeah, and sometimes you don't even realize it.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So that one goes for like eight bars, then my
part go for eight bars, then the verses come. You
got a hook that's bigger than the verses, so you
got an automatic hit.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then he just delivered with that callback line that
you know.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
But Rose delivered with the I don't want to go
to court?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, fuck it off the opening. So now you got
two hooks.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Then you got the first four bars that's even bigger
than the two hooks.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Then and then you're you know, it's crazy because you
your verse like never gets played, It never gets that far.
That's what I'm saying. That's the club and they get
to the third verse to take a ship.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
But that's that.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
But that's the trick. That's the trick in the music.
When I was coming up, they're like, yo, do not
never get the last verse. Don't never get the last verse.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
But you had to. You had the hook though, So it's.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Like, I'm not I'm not an ego person.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm in the studio, but that Kobe, Kobe, you know,
in the gym.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, not crazy?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
What what? What was? What? Can you tell me the
story what happened with the Splash Brothers record and how
he didn't end up on it.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Splash Brother's record.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
The Splash Brothers version with Drake on it.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, there's there's a LEASD version. But the Splash Brother's
record never came out with Drake because the version that
we had with Drake it had a a verse from
Rose that I didn I think I think Drake was
waiting for another verse from Rose that for that record.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
I think he wanted him to cut another verse because
something happened, either he said something on the first verse
or something had happened, and he was just like, hey,
I'm down, but yeah, I'm down, but I switch up this.
But it was supposed to be a state scheming a
part too, oh ship. So that was that was the
whole thing. When Drake sent me, send me Splash Brothers.
Drake actually sent it to me.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
For his album.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Oh So Splash Brothers was Drake's song, and Drake sent
it to me. He was like, yo, go in the studio,
make like three different hooks and let me pick the
best one. So I went in there. I did like
three different hooks on it. I sent it to Drake.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
He heard it.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He was like, all right, this is the one. So
I'm like, all right, you like that one?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
He was like all right. So we went in there.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
He cut it, he changed a few words that he
wanted me to say. He sent it back, so I
went in and I cut the hook. I sent it
to him. He did his verse first, so it was
my hook and his verse. And by the time I
flew out to see him in Bahamas, he already had
rose verse two. But he was like it was like
something Rose had said some it was something with the verse.
So it's supposed to be for Drake album. I think

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it was, if I'm not mistaken the album after the.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Views, it's probably uh fuck, I don't know. They all
did the last seven years of rap. It's all blended
together for me, especially when it comes to hist.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, it's all like one day.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, yeah, but it was supposed to be for his album,
and since Ross didn't do the verse on time, he
was like, you want the record?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I was like, I take it.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, So it was never something like it was mine's
and it was just like, you know, he just he
just gave me the record from my album.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, I hope you get the game. The band back
together one day, because all three of y'all together is like.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, it's like the Warriors happened.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's like the Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Brother brothers always fighting and makeup.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Man, it happened. Nobody got shot, nobody, nobody died, nobody.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know, I'm curious, man, you've somehow wrote this line
that I don't think you could really say anybody else has.
But where you are, you're like a mainstream superstar worldwide.
You have like well was that? No? No, I'm saying like
you you you have like this weird cultural significance in

(25:14):
so many worlds that not a lot of rappers can say.
And when I say that, I mean you could do
a record with Mac Miller in twenty twelve, or you
can have West Side Gun on your album, or you
could do a record like Riza with DJ Premiere on yeah. Yeah,
but then you have like unforgettable.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So it's like you live in this like you occupy
a very unique space where you're.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I was never locked into a box.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
But you're like an underground rapper still dog, which I
mean that respectful the store at the fucking like bro
with the with the with the boombap ship though.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
But this is what I'm saying, that's that's that's why
I started from. I just feel like New York. It
was something that I hated about New York and being
a New York artist. They want you to believe you
got to have a certain sound to be from New York,
and and it keeps you in New York. You know
what I'm saying, Anybody in New York gonna give you

(26:13):
that sound. That's in New York. That sound does not
pass Philadelphia, DC. That sound doesn't go up past Boston.
You know what I'm saying, It doesn't. I've been I've
been in the West Coast for how long. We probably
got the only record from a New York artist in
LA right now. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, unless

(26:34):
unless it's Cardi and Cardi, music does not sound like no, no.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
You're right, Cardis, to be fair, she's the exception. Yeah, Cardi,
we're playing like three songs on but Cardy came after
me and Max and Bodak. To be clear, Bodak Yellow
is not a New York traditional song, and that's the
record to change for life.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
So Carti came up listening to to us, listening to
people from New York. That actually made a difference to
to say, oparate yourself from the pack that's coming out
of New York because they don't leave in New York.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Rocky did a good job with that too.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah, Rocky.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
You know, I think after after after my gym, like
when we came out, me and Max, I think, you know,
for Max starting to harmonize the music, and and and
for me because.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
I blew up down south.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yes, even though I had shot Caller, I still couldn't
pass the East coast.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
So I had to go down south.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And and and and drop the chop of chopp of
downs and and drop the pop that and dropped it.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Ain't worry about nothing.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
And you know what I'm saying, Man, ain't worry about nothing.
I got. I got my bootleg cav custom. You did.
Ain't worry about nothing.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
That's what I'm saying. So so so I had to
get panic.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
You got so many joints. Dog is crazy. Your catalog's
fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Then I had to come to the to the West
coast and do don't panic, give y'all a sound on
me and back mustard. So it kind of I kind
of catered to every to every place with its own
sound and gave them what they knew until they knew me.
At a high level too, I gave them what they
knew until they know.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
You still do like the boombab ship, Yeah, still have
like West Side Gun on a project, or work with
Bennie or yeah. I just think it's I just don't
think there's a lot of people who could say, like, yeah,
I've worked with this person, this person, this person. Like
you're a ven diagram of all the artists you've work.
It's so wide, That's.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
You always gott to feed the streets. Yeah, and make
sure what if right now? I didn't have no business
doing the mixtape, me and Max B, but we did
it because we gotta feed the streets.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I had no no, no, no business still dropping mixtakees,
but I still do it because we got to feed
the streets.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
What do you think is your most slept on song?
Slept on like a single or a record that you
felt like could have been bigger but it was a
little slept on.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Sanctuary?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Okay, Sanctuary is hard.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, I think Sanctuary definitely Famous.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Oh there's an album cut I loved. Uh you had
the video on World Star. Uh double Want My Soul,
Want My Soul. That's another one. That video was crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That's another one. So eighty eight coops. Yeah, me and
Kiss Damn. What's another record?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
But for sure Sanctuary and Famous because I think Famous
came after Unforgettable and it was such a big record
that Unforgettable just moved everything out the way.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Do you still like, uh, have a lot of communication
with ya. Obviously, I feel like, yeah, he's been so
locked in with you for so long. Yeah, it was
on last well not last year, because yeah, and she's five.
What's that?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, I say, I forget Yeah yeah, Mac and she's five. Yeah, no,
shot the y Man, Me and him and Max actually
got a crazy record.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, I mean, I mean you helped Max get on
the Life of Pablo.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, sixteen Yeah, because I remember, yeah, yeah, yeah I did.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
And you remember that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Actually remember that because as soon as I sent them
the record that me and him in Max doing, he
didn't even questioned it.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
He was just like, I already know what it.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Is that's coming out soon.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, oh fire coming out. Let me not give no date.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
But soon. So right now, Cochoid three point five is
just the warm up. It's the appetizer.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah, the appetizer.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's the appetizer to the entree.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
So Max is dropping his tape on the twenty fifth
of this month that we then were coming three weeks
after that.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Well, I tape, it's done already.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
It's very hard to find like the level of like
loyalty you guys have shown each other over the years
because a lot of times people they go away, they
sit down and like, you know, yeah, but it just
feels like y'all's bond is so strong man like it's
like a brotherhood at this point between you.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
It's just just friends being friends and just being broadcast
to the world. I feel like, you know, I feel
like we just we're just doing what we're supposed to
do and just everybody gets.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
To watch it.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
What's the first thing you either did with max By
or showed him, Like someone gets out of jail, they've
been locking up. You got to kind of show him
some cool shit, like uh yeah, like yo, let me
show you Grand theft Ato five yeah, or look, yo,
check this out. There's a state called only fans. Do
you remember that short you went to high school with?
Look her Pussy's here for fourteen nine a month, Like

(31:08):
I don't know, Like what do you show?

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I took him in Tousy's.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Did you get him the deep Rid Lost tal Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Yeah, yeah, and the show.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
The shoulderrub By the Ways has great food and the
show The Rugs Shoulder Rubs. Tousy's my favorite strip club
in the world. I love him there, Oh you like, hey,
I'm gonna get you situated. I'm out.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I loved them there my dad as managers looking at
me like why why.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, that's that's that's the Uh, that's that's fresh off
the boat central right there. Yeah, have the girls in
there and you got to pull out Google.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I don't even think Tutsi's was around eighteen years probably,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I don't think it was like on though. Even if
it was now it's different, so.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
He never experienced it. Yeah, so it was for the
first time. I feel like, you know, that was something.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
That he going.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
You don't remember for sure on the come out for you,
you got engaged recently, Yeah, yeah, is that something for you?
Like I saw you spend a million dollars on the
engagement ring.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm not supposed to be talking about things like that.
It's just it just got it just got out there.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, I'm just curious, like, is it like a like
the ring shopping process for you? Is it stressful because
I got my shots of my wife, I got hurt,
but I was stressed out for like four months trying
to find his fucking ring.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, because it's kind of like you know, when you
buy something for somebody that that have everything and seen
everything and can get anything they want. You kind of
like want to be specific and have your own details
and make it unique, make it, make it meaningful. Right,
So I just ask people that knew about that stuff,
and I added my own flavor to it, and they

(32:52):
kind of did a lot of listening to it. You know,
that's important with the person like and just you know, definitely.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, I took I feel like shopping and engagement rings
one of those stressful things ever. And then I ordered
my ship from New York and I had a specific
day I was supposed to propose, and that ship didn't
come until the day before. I was fucking stressing. Yeah,
I was like, bro, shout out to the New York
Jewelry District. What's the Diamond district? Diamond District?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Who got it from?

Speaker 1 (33:21):
What's I didn't get it from the dude who just
crashed out what's the d his name and just crashed
out the Jewish bruh tracks. That dude's fucking hilarious. That's
the dude from gems. Yeah got from no fuck no, yo,
you you I saw you, you know, And I think
it's important. Man. We're living in like a pretty crazy

(33:42):
political spectrum. But I saw obviously, you know, advocating for
for what's going on in Palestine and Gaza and ship
like that. Why is that important for you to be
vocal about when a lot of people aren't.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I love to stay out the politics, right, you know
what I'm saying. But I just feel like, you know,
when I off kids and mothers and this and that,
it just hurt to see.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. And for you, like being an
immigrant or family immigrants, like is it like the ice
shit that's going on right now is wild?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Bro?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Man, I mean not just that it's coming from having
a brother that got deported, you know, having a brother
that got deported, and also just being in the shoes
of being an immigrant because a lot of people don't
understand about being an immigrant is you're already isolated as

(34:34):
an alien, right, You already doesn't have all the privilege
that everybody else have. You already can't go to school
because you can't get your papers, so you can't get
no scholarships. You already can't get a job because you
don't have a Social Security and no health benefits, no nothing.

(34:54):
You're already can't do anything that US citizen can do.
So you are you are in a four by four
jail cell, even though if you're out here in the world,
so the only jobs you can get is jobs that
under the table, ship under the table, which you know
you're not even making one hundred dollars in two days
whatever that is. So it's a struggle. It's a struggle

(35:19):
for immigrants all around America on how it is so
for me to see people that grew in the struggle
and and and immigration and made something out of theirselfs
and have kids and this and that, and have a family, businesses, businesses,
and and some some people even forgot their native language

(35:41):
because they've been here so long and they don't even
have nobody back home. So to see somebody just snatch
that person out of their house and send them back to.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
Place a lot of a lot of people get sent
back that been here to their babies, since we're sending
them to a place that they don't even.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
So, so that's that that's the part that you know,
that's that's really hurtful to.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
See for somebody who's kind of like been kind of
a political over the years. Is that the kind of
shit you see that like kind of like, like, man,
maybe I should speak out more or yet a little
bit more engaged.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
YEA, yeah, of course, man.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I mean as far as the immigration is because as
a personal.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
It's a personal thing for sure. Yeah. So it's a
personal thing when it comes to that.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
So because because I've been through it my you know,
my mother was an immigrant, my father. My father got
deported first and my brother after. So I was able
to get my papers through the you know, through the
cracks and ended up begetting my mother had papers, you know,
So I come from a long long list of immigrants.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
What are if you could give me your top four
nineteen nineties hip hop albums of all time nineties nineties
only it was written, Okay, I like that choice.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
By the way it was written, I kind of like
it was written better than Ellmatic if I say, it.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Does get overshadowed because it came after omadic damn affirmative action.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, affirmative action, all of them. Jesus, yeah, all of them.
Not even just that was fake Doug. No love gets
number The message is one of the best rap raps.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
One of the best and also one of the best
just rapid.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's what I'm saying, so I think it was Rand
better than Ellmatic.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
That's just you know, I respect it. You can say,
everybody in the comments with what was yall pick?

Speaker 3 (37:29):
I picked? It was Rand Life After Death?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
All eyes on me?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
All right? Double disc to double disc, back to back,
double disc.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm on, I'm onto something right.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I would love to say Doggy Style, but I was
on the East Coast. So I think that Wu Tang
Forever album had a bigger fact.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I got an autograph right there by ghost Face sitting
right there on top of it.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, I think it was. I think it was a
moment for that Wu Tang.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Forever nineteen ninety seven. Yeah, people have been waiting so
long for the follow up to thirty. We got solo
albums before we had the tape in between.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I think it was like.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
A human man in between between.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah. I think that would be that would be my
four right there.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Who's your favorite rapper from a fans perspective? In Wu
Tang from a fans I think they all made one.
But what I'm saying like like, I'm a ghost Face guy. Yeah,
but I feel like when I was a little kid,
I was a methand man, guy.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I like, I like him all different in certain songs
like I was in love with Jizz and certain songs.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
It's just the Deck low Key got some of the
hardest verses of all time. What I'm saying, Triumph verse.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
So if you listen to Triumph, there's no way you're
gonna pick anybody besides inspect the Deck just the way
he came on. If you listen to Cream, you're gonna
be like, Okay, met the man.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
You know what I'm saying, and and and know both
of them.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
I mean, it just depends. Man A ghosts of course,
shot the ghost is my god.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Rakkwan.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, Liquid Swords is uh probably in my opinion, like
we always hear about like Purple Tape or like Supreme Client,
Liquid Swords might be the best solo album that's and
one of the best covers ever. Yeah that cover is crazy.
Yeah hell yeah, Yo, Yeah, incredible. So Max is projects

(39:27):
dropping and then you and Max, Yeah, the album's coming,
Yeah what about your album?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Right after that?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Right after that you've been on this crazy run. The
movie came out, you had a movie that was written.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Yeah, movie just came out last year for Kadija. Yeah,
executive produced by Brother Drake.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
What is it that still you're already successful? Man? I
always wondered this, Like when someone gets to a certain
point of success and you're still dropping mixtapes and you're
still grinding with what is it that is like the
inspiration that keeps you going like and keeps the work
ethics still.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Just because man, just just because there's there's still some
people out there that still doubt us. There's there's still
some people out there that don't that don't know that's fresh,
and there there's some people out there that we gotta
remind and there's some people out there that don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Does proving people wrong matter to.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
You my whole life?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Like? Do you do you? Do you read the comments
and ship? Like if someone says some ship does it?
Does that do you? Cause you know, you saw Michael
Jordan in the Dance talk about how all he needed
was to hear a little something somebody said on the
other team and he would put that ship in the tank. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I mean, right right now, I think it's it's a
trend of of of people think that they got to
talk to you crazy to get some type of attention.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
So I just feel like.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
When you when I came from Africa when I was
when I was a kid, and I went to the Bronx,
which was my biggest test of my life, you know,
because I went.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I went to the mecca of hip hop.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So where I went, you talked about like going to
like where soccer started, and you talked about you wanted
to play soccer. You know what I'm saying, like going
to Brazil or going to like Argentina that when Maradona
was there, like or just so when I went, it
was just like big Pun down the street, Fat Joe here,
Slick Rick here, krs One here, you got everybody You're like, ya,

(41:26):
I want to be a rapper. You're like where you're from,
like Africa, you don't even speak English. It was just
like it was something that's like in your mind, You're like,
how the fuck am I gonna make it and rap
in the Bronx not knowing English?

Speaker 3 (41:40):
How about this?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
How about before that even in Africa, telling somebody in Africa, Yo,
I'm gonna go to the Bronx. I'm gonna go to
New York. I'm gonna be this fucking rap star. People
looking at you like this, this guy, how right?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Right. So it's like, delusion is key to success.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
You gotta believe it before everybody else.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Man, know, you gotta be delusional. You gotta be out
of your mind. You gotta be out of your mind.
People gotta be like this fucking guy's out of his mind,
because you're only out of your mind until that shit
really happens, until you're not.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, I love that. Being delusional is a very important
key to success.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Being delusional a very important key to success.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
You gotta buy into your ship and a delusional fashion
to get the world to buy into it.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Loo, I'm telling you gotta tell somebody tomorrow I'm gonna
fly with no airplane.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
My fuck.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Look at you crazy until you figure it out.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Until you figure that motherfucker out.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
You had a great relationship with Takeoff. Obviously, I remember
seeing you guys on Chris Was it Chris kidding you? Migos? Yeah, O,
my god, I saw that they Obviously, four years of
his death just passed. What was you know, give us
a little bit. Obviously you've lost a lot of people
close to you in the music.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean shot the Quavo shot to the
whole Migos. I mean it was always us. It was
me Chinks and there was always Quaver and Takeoff together
because I'm offset was locked up so and Max.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
B was locked up.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
So we was they they first video they first looked.
I flew out there to Atlanta to do with them.
It was like their first song whatever it is. I
don't know if it's the first time. It was like
one of the like one of they singles went out there,
didn't charge no money, this and that, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
It was just coming up. I ain't even you know.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So ever since then we just grew a bond, you
know what I'm saying, So us growing in the game together.
Then seeing them lose the Takeoff and I lost Chinks,
So it was kind of like of a of a
similar thing, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
But Quave up into the crib. You know. We went
and toured together. It was always.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
That that, you know, that brotherhood between us. So take
Hof was definitely somebody that we used to always joke around,
always have fun with, you know, especially on tour.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
We got a lot of music together.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Di That tour was legendary but crazy. I remember that
was the tour in Tampa Florida. I met Sni Lathan.
Am I fucking crazy? I was?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
She came on the tour bus and she was like, yeah,
I want to go to a couple of dates on
the tour bus and she can't go.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
What's crazy is you remember like that was the year
that was like the Fettiwop year.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, and did a tape album together at that time too.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
But what's crazy is I remember giving away tickets on
the radio at the time, and I'm like, I got
Chris Brown tickets, but everybody was calling and they were like, no,
we want the fetti Wop tickets, and yeah, no, but
Chris Brown is his everybody That fetti Wop sixteen month
run will be studied forever. My god, that motherfucker had
a run smoking and he went on relatively early on

(45:02):
that tour, yeah, because I think like kid Ink went
on late.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
It was just like we're not link back of that tour.
It just had the star power. And then you were
coming out on people's sets. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yeah, I was coming out. Me and Chris had.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Moses crazy Yeah, and uh so we used to come
out and migos used to come out.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I used to do a couple of records. Yeah, we
was all on that tour.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
It was dope. How much because I know you obviously
you got Chinks on this new album or this mixtape.
How much more Chinks music?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Well just you know, we at the end of it,
but we just keep finding records. Right before we were about
to put out, somebody would call up, like, yo, I
just found this record with Chinks. The Chinks used to
be like a just like a studio animally just stay
in there. So there's a bunch of music probably stood
out there.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Yeah. So it's like as it comes, you'll be like,
all right, we got to put this out. Yeah, what
is I saw you recently talk about Unforgettable? Obviously not
making any money off of it, Yeah, because obviously there's
so many writers the sample, I mean, on and on. Yeah,
I'm sure, but I'm curious. You've been through so many
different situations in music, so many different deals with the

(46:16):
bad boys, shit, the Gamma ship. You know, what is
a piece of advice you would give to an artist
that's just kind of getting into this game seriously, Like
you know, maybe like somebody who's on the newer side,
that's that's got some motion right now.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Advice that I would give an artist save your money
so it could save you.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
That's that's number one.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Definitely get some capital because as much as much information
you know about the game or whatever game you do,
you're not going to be able to change change your
circumstances unless you have enough money, yeah to change it,
you know what I'm saying. So everybody want to be independent,
but who's willing to put the bag up? Like right
now we're independent. I'm like three hundred thousand on.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
One record on.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
The new record.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah that's one record. I'm not even talking about the
whole tape. So you gotta you gotta have you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
You gotta have your money.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
So when you're because you're the type of guy who
if you wanted to find a deal, you can find
a deal. Like there's there's a record deal out there
right now for French mind dat.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah one million.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Why you've done something, You've been doing independent stuff for
a while, Like I feel like the cookeoy shit would
be dependent on the side, Like what is it about
being independent that entices you? Right now?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I mean, look, labels, they had artists, development, they had
all this, so you so for a new artist, Also,
there's nothing wrong with signing with a label because you
could use their marketing money and all this budget and
this and that so you can become the superstar, grow
your fan base. The whole game is about data. You
collect data and use the data, you know what I'm saying,
to your advantage. But when you become a certain type

(47:59):
of artists like like me or like you know, like
whoever ross or you know, anybody got a name.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Like even like someone like where's Khalifa? Where's has been
doing shit independently?

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Exactly, yeah, exactly, So there's there's a lane for that,
you know what I'm saying. There's a lane for that,
and you don't need the label at that time because
the label done their job. All fairness to them, because
there's nothing there's nothing against the labels because when you
give them the music, even though they kept your masters
did all this, you still eat off the merriage. You
still eat off a distribution, you know. You know, there's

(48:34):
a lot of things until they came u with three
sixty deals and then that's what's like a hold on
now and now you're overdoing it. But until you get
your capital, you should not worry about your masses until
you get enough money in your pocket that you can
give your music the fear marketing, the fear promotion, the
fear look for yourself. Don't just get too smart for

(48:55):
yourself and just drop music independent with no money.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Then it's like, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, a must I use the machine. And then if
it makes sense and that's run in catalogs independently.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
And that's when it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
When it'd be like, you know, ten percent of of
a fucking watermelon is better than one hundred percent of
a grape of a great you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
So it's just like, mak it, make your money.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Do you enjoy running point on your ship now where
it's like yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Love it, Yeah, I love it because you know what
it is when you run point. You want to do
it because it all comes back to you and for
your kids. And you leave it, you're leaving the legacy behind,
you know what I'm saying. When somebody be like, oh,
you got to do Boolet cav right, you would a label,

(49:43):
you were like, damn, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
go viral cav And and everything's gonna go back to
this music that goes back to the lake. So even
though you're my guy, I'm standing, I'm be sitting here
with a chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
It here, I don't want to and they have nothing
to do with you. All fairness, that's some real ship
makes sense, you know what I'm saying. At that point,
it kind of feels like a job.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Like all finners.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Now, I'll look forward, can do whatever, even if I'm tired.
I'm doing this because, uh, this is going through back
to the same.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Pop random question. Uh, let's exclude yourself and anybody in
the coke boys. Uh the greatest cocaine rappers of all time?
Give me five ross okay, jay Z all right, hey listen,

(50:33):
very slept on coke wrapper.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he talked. That's all jay Z.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Three six Mafia, okay. Have I was gonna say, they're
more of more of the consuming of the cocaine.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah. Look, you gotta be specifical with your questions.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Drug dealers or drug or cocaine using spelling cocaine, so
not not not doing cocaine and half on the sack
on some blow they purchasing.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
They were doing a lot of they were doing every he.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Got half on the sack. All right, you know what,
let's let's let's keep them to the side. Ja ja
we got Ross, Jay, we got Ross.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Hm hmm, there's a really obvious one that's hanging above
my head to the right.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Oh yeah, Clips, of course, yeah, Clips, I was, but
I was, but I'm still trying to think of like
said Gucci, geez, that's that's that's.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
The snow man man, That's that's what I was trying
to go, pimps, pimp too. Yeah, jeeze, the snowman now,
I mean, come on, man, that's every where fucking snowman
t shirts. Yeah, which is yeah, which is Uh. Did
you ever run in any issues with Coca Cola pushing
coke boys? No, just a random question.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
No, because coke stands for creation of kings everywhere.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We should do the diet coke Boys. Yeah, for everybody
trying to get in shape. Yeah, the aspartame boys. That's
why the idea though, just like, hey, yo, the fucking
diet Coke Boys is like the workout player, the French workout.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Players, trying to tell you that's for rehab.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
All right, So Max b album coming in the next
few weeks.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, on on on the twenty fifth, a million dollar
Baby Max b album coming, and and the and the
and the March first second week of April.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Our project coming.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
And that's the project that yas on.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, as a project gay On Ross is on. Maybe
that's it, you know, the first project we didn't have no.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Features on it.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Is this going to be all metro booming or.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Is this there's gonna be everybody okay?

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, but then there's still a metro booming thing that's
gotta happen.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Yeah, that's the only we're working on.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
And then Harry Frog thing got it, yeah, Harry frol Yeah,
yeah man. And then your album's.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Gonna be cooking. My album coming right after this one.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
And you ain't lying when you when it's your ship,
you're like, Yo, you're putting You're putting fucking music out
like your MASI right now. Of course, of course, Bro French,
I appreciate you pulling up. Thank you so much. I
promise you I'm not gassing you. The fucking album is incredible,
Thank you, bro, I appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
I mean you're a hip hop head, so I already know.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
I posted it a few times on my story. I'm like, Yo,
we gotta start talking about this French album like that.
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Thank you, bro.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yeah, so congrats on on delivering with your boy, and
I look forward to, uh, the rest of the year.
I know it's gonna be a busy one man, big
one French. My dog appreciate you better, yes, sir, Come
on man, come on fire.