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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Want two Evidence Live and Direct.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Crime Mapple in the house with Bootleg keV Legendary, Legendary. Yo.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
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Brutlet Cav podcast special guests in here. Man, I feel like,
(00:51):
you know, Christmas just coming early because I could barely
get Evidence to do anything in the last decade. Twice
in six months, Evidence is on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Back. We're back, We're back.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's go, and this time he has brought Crime Apple welcome.
Sure you guys, just obviously the new album just came
out today. Ye never met, No, we never met?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
First time?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, first time. Well, first of all, it's dope. Have
to see you back because I feel like the Blue
album was so good a couple of years ago. Man,
what is the genesis of you guys doing war cash?
Just so you know, not car washed war Cash.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We were talking about it last time we were here. Yeah,
So it was like, production is serious to me, yeah,
you know, as it always has been.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
First Mike down yeap, production is serious to me and
always has been. But as a rapper, sometimes people look
at you maybe as what they know you for, right,
and it's hard to shake the image of that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You're known for so much. You're known for being an
amazing solo artist, dilated people so much.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, but I did production through all the Dilated stuff,
and I have my foot and a lot of and
a lot of things, and I just felt like starting
my label was away for me to show how serious
I am about the production. And we were talking about
me being on rhyme Sayers and eventually I knew that
was going to come to an end. So starting a label,
producing others and understanding how a label works, doing vinyl,
(02:18):
building a relationship with people. So when I moved myself
over to my label, it wouldn't just be like throwing
myself to it. So I got to do all these
dope people, you know, produce all this stuff, not as
like trial and error, I mean, not as guinea pig shit,
but ur trial and error per se, but just really
learning what happens when you put out a record. And
(02:40):
you know, somebody was on Instagram today like why I
wasn't diverse there, you know, And I was telling you
that too. It's like, if you need a verse to
respect my production, then what does that say about my production? Right?
And so I really wanted to put my foot in
something like I got a bunch of things going on,
but really this year, turn it up and move in
real time. We made this album over the last couple
(03:02):
of months, you know what I mean. And so what
you're hearing is like a fresh fresh you know. Normally
it comes with like me having to wait for Vinyl, right,
and and so this was like, all right, let's just
get to it. And so I was saying Monday night.
I'm working with who's featured on the album and different
people now where I'm gonna throw it out right away
and let people feel it in real time, and then
if the heat is there, if it's really real, then
(03:24):
the vinyl will be a good sell whenever it comes.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, whenever it comes, because that's kind of like this.
The thing about vinyl is what it's like, probably like
a at least a three month thing.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
If you're lucky.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You're lucky, right right right, and you've been doing the
vinyl thing for so long in terms of just like
physical copies of your music is kind of like how
your fans connect with you, you know what I'm saying. How
did you guys eventually link up and decide like, let's
do this.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, so we did Camouflage yep, what was that two thousand?
I brought them over the als. I made a beat
on the spot. I gave it to him. But it
was like one joint on a record, right, and sometimes
that you can't really tell people what you're trying to
do through one song on a record. So that was
(04:10):
that was cool. We had a show he rocked with me,
I believe in Long Beach or we did the show
somewhere Dope, so the connection has been there. It's not
out of nowhere, but it wasn't really anybody knew about this.
So he came over to do I have a forty
five series where I've been doing Strangers one and Boldie
and Flyanik and Theravada and Raka and Blue, so we
(04:32):
came over to do one of those. Pretty much, it
was like, let's let's figure out a way to break
the ice. And then yo, he was killing it for real,
for real, because I have a thing where I'm when
I'm recording somebody if I could, if I'm while i'm recording,
if I just go, oh, don't fuck up right now,
because I'm hearing it like a record in the recording,
not like after I had plugins and shitle direct and
(04:54):
that it started happening off the rip with him. So
I'm like, he writes, really asked, and then writes about
things that we were talking about in the conversations, you know,
And so it was like, oh, this is actually like
you making I'm making the beats on the.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Spot and you're making the verses literally with.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And so we're both here in the next day something
that I don't remember he doesn't and I heard it
like a fan and I was like, Yo, this is heat,
this is heat right here. So we just did it.
And then I was like, can we hold water and
make a surprise record and tell nobody in the social
media era that that's what you do? You know, and
you have the making of it, and you're asking the fans,
you're playing snippets to tell them which one you're gonna
(05:31):
put out first. You're letting the audience almost dictate it,
you know. And so with this we went the other
way and put out a surprise record and it's it's
I love it, It's fire.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Man?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Like, obviously working with evvs a fucking legend, you know,
especially on the production side, what was the like your
approach to this record and working solely with ev on
an album It's gotta be dope?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It was pretty straightforward. I fuck with him as a
human being first and foremost, and you know, he's always
been holding it down with just like good advice and
you know, so it was pretty straightforward working with him.
I didn't really have like any expectation. I really pulled
(06:14):
up to do like one of two songs and of
course you hope that you know, you hit it out
the park and that was it. It's like cool, you
do a third song or fourth song and fifth song, sixth.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Song, and it's like, whoa, it's the whole fucking album. Yeah,
for you? Like do you usually cause? I like, are
you usually?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Cause that's kind of the one thing that me and
I would talk about was like not to overthink shit,
get it out, and then worry about the hard copy
shit later. Is this new for you too, like putting
something out so fast without having all of the vinyl
ready and all that shit. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
A little bit? Yeah, It's definitely new in the sense
where it's like a secret, you know what I'm saying. Like,
usually when I'm doing something, there's some inkling of notification
to the people, whether it's a you know, a single
that comes out and then you know, there's always some time.
But this was like complete the area of fifty one.
So that's the first time for sure. I didn't see
this coming.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You've obviously worked with a lot of dope producers, mugs,
I mean, going on around, But what is kind of
for you the process of because I feel like we
don't talk about ev enough as a producer. I was
just talking with my boy Spencer about this and I
was telling him. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go
interview ev and Crying Apple. They did the album together,
but Evan just did the beats and he's like, Yo,
that's crazy. We don't talk about him enough, but like,
(07:34):
what is the process? Like that's unique about his creative
process compared to some of the other dope.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Producers you've been in with and my experience, the only
person who's like, you got to be here. Everyone's not
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I made him fly out twice. I was like recording something, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Never worked with anyone that was like, yo, you got
so Yeah. But we've done records through email too, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I know with him,
we've done the album, you know, and if we do
something else, it's not like he's going to email me
a pack still, Like there's some people who start like
that and then once they get to know you, they
get comfortable they'll email you. He's ever going to email
(08:12):
me beats, So I already know come.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I would have in the past. This is my new
me where I really want to see my vision through
from the recording side, to the mixing side, to choosing
who we mastered with, shooting and cover myself shot the video.
It's like I want to do I've always passed it
off to another mixer. I've always done something that gets
in the way of my full vision. So it was like,
can I do this?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's funny because you know, especially now that you have
your own label, it's like that's important too, Like there's
a there. I don't know if you know about the
artist Russ of course.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So Russ is like one of those guys who just
everything's vertical. This guy will do the artwork he makes
as a master's he makes the beat he ran.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Whether you like his music, don't, or anything in between.
He's made a lot of really valid points that I
took to heart. Yeah, listening to I like some of
his music.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, he's hard them Unch, what was it was it? Munch?
The ships he was wrapping on with like black thin.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, I was there when I was doing shit
with him and we're you know, and we're just sitting
like this. You can say what you want. He's killing it,
you know what I mean, And so fuck with that
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, but for you, it's got to be just like
you're fully this is important for you because this is
like you're you got your own thing now rhyme sayers.
You know obviously you're you Now evidence is on bigger picture,
which is your labeled which will happens to you, right,
But I'm saying, like, you know, it's got to be like, Okay,
I want to make sure I really have the ball
(09:37):
in my hands.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But the part that I like is like, there's mixers
who mixed records. That's what they do. Yeah, you know,
I'm learning it. There's videographers who make videos, that's what
they do. I'm learning it. There's photographers, right, there's I
make beats. But you know, my point is is like
whether I'm good or however you rate me at this,
I want to I want to evolve publicly, like with
(09:59):
my cre right now. And working with him was super
inspiring on this one because it was like somebody matching
my as fast as I can make to be how
many meats I make on the spot for this one,
the majority of it, right, Yeah, I would say at
least six thousand and nine, right, And by the time
I was done doing what I was doing. The rhyme
was already ready and you could tell it wasn't a
pre done rhyme.
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RAFFI for you, man, like talk about just I feel
like we're in this like cool renaissance where I feel
like when I was growing up, like you could be
like a I guess what you would consider whatever an
underground rapper was back in the day, and like sell
out shows, sell hard copies, get a disco deal where
you get your CDs in all the record stores.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's a little harder obviously, but I feel like, you know, uh,
the floodgates are kind of open. If you can cultivate
a fan base and figure out a way to monetize.
That would have been some of the secrets to the
sauce for you to like be an independent rapper and
thrive in twenty twenty six. Now fuck yeah, yeah, I
(12:08):
got like.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think, like seven and a half under my belt years.
Customer service is probably one of the main things. Especially
I'm DIY for a lot of stuff, you know, I'll
do like temporary licensing with some people where they'll press
something up. But I do a lot of that shit
on my own, like my merge all that, So that's
(12:28):
like really important. You got to make sure that the
customer service is like top of the line if you
want to keep it going for years and years.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, it's like funny, we don't even think about that,
Like you'd like fans are customers, Like you want them
to be customers investors, You want them to invest in
your in your movement.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, and it's crazy because some we didn't do a
vinyl drop yet, but he's actually known for doing really
well on violul drops, you know what I mean. So
we're not even seeing the full potential of this. But
like getting the music out in real time was more
important first, and I've got a good product, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Do you feel like the vinyl game is Like I
feel like a lot of artists still don't take advantage
of like the hard media. Like there's people who I'll
talk to on this podcast where I'm like, you're not
doing a vinyl like you have fans that are like
real people walking like you're fucking just depending on streaming
to me is just a wild thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, Now people sleep on CDs and cassettes too. Yeah,
for sure they sleep on all that. There's a lot
of people that sleep on those things. I think they're important.
You know, you're leaving money on the table. And I
guess it depends on the type of artists. You know,
some people that's like a shift, the pivot that they
have to make. That's kind of how I started though.
You know, it's like hard copy base.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So so you've only been doing this for real, for
real for seven and a half years.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, we're getting wrapped before that, like as an occupation,
it started to make sense to Yeah, as an occupation,
I haven't worked for anyone else in seven eight years,
seven and a half eight years.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
So you are always writing and ship for sure. Yeah
how about say fuck for you only rapping? You're pretty stellar, man,
That's like not a lot of people could say that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, no, no, what it's you.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Know obviously I know and I know you've worked a
lot with the Griselda guys. Was anything about what they
were doing inspired you to kind of take the approach
you would take to your music and the way you
release it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I think it's in general like that generation or and
maybe there's a couple of years in between some of
these artists, but like I was really inspired by like
what I saw Rock doing, Rock Willy, the Kids on Price, Griselda.
You know. It was like however many years that spanned,
it was super inspiring while I was sitting on the sidelines,
like yo, people fuck with you know these types of music.
(14:46):
It doesn't have to be some catchy, trendy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Things that you don't have to do some auto tune
shit or get a club rec or you don't have
to have.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
A gazillion followers to make a living doing this.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think that's the key is Like I think a
lot of artists, they their priorities are so like I
would say, upside down, instead of cultivating the people they have,
which will result in like the word of mouth spreading.
They're worried about like damn, I gotta pay someone to
get on some playlists that are most likely bodied and
they look the thing that they look at is like
(15:17):
they were so worried about their monthly listeners before they're
worried about like I'm having actual fans that will support
you with their wallet, you know, Like which is where
it actually matters.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think depends on the type of music. If you're
making more of a current or a pop type rap thing,
then that might be the better way to go because
you know, if you make a song that sticks, then
all of that's just going to happen. You don't have
to worry about it. It'll all come to you. That is
a different model than most of the people that I'm seeing,
and we all are guilty of our stab at doing
that at one point in our career.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, we've all try to touch by the way, you
guys did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
We did best around. But you know what it is,
it's like some people have a better fit doing this.
It's not. It's like because it actually works and connects
this way where you don't have to chase it. I
think monthly followers is a is a good metric, but
I would look at how people are selling vinyl before
I would look at that because that's the way to
make money.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, I think too, Like for you like you, it's like, man,
the longevity, I mean, fuck, the first dilated when was
Work the Angles eight well platform was two thousand, what
that actually came out? So yeah, so Work the Angles
was what got y all that deal crazy. So we're
(16:32):
almost thirty thirty years. It'll be thirty years in like
two years, crazy fucking one. No, no, yeah, because I'm
thirty nine, So in twenty twenty eight, it'll be thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Oh for that record. Yeah, I thought what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fucking you know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, And it's still just as much of a puzzle
as it was then to me as it is now.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But it's like to have the longevity and make this
like a thing for real, it's like you got to
always kind of reinvent yourself or evolve.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think the live show thing kept everything moving, you know.
I think when you have a live show. I've seen
him performing during Rock Marcy said he brought him.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Out yea Rocks so underrated man, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But when he came out, the crowding from crazy. So me,
I think Opio souls a Michig for watch it like
oh shit. Okay, So like those kind of things tell me, like,
because you can't fake the live, and the live is
what keeps you going for a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Hundred percent. Are you from Jersey or New York Jersey?
What part of Jersey?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Northern New Jersey? Okay, Okay, Okay. Yeah, it's like, you know,
I don't want to call it die in New York,
but we're like ten minutes away.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Little die in New York, A little Die in New York. Yeah,
Jersey's wild, dude, because it's like, you got a lot
going on. It's a lot. There's like so many pockets,
and if you drive across through Jersey you might think
you're in the South and something.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's a bunch of different states rolled in the one
for sure, Nah, for sure for you like, because I
feel like, you know, we think of Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think of like obviously Joe Budden, Redman, you know
all that shit.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Don't start Jersey outside is with Jersey, right, Oh my god,
everything was Jersey.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Uh who else is Jersey? Poor teachers, Queen Latifa? What's
the homie Sue Surf about to get released? Ure Notty
by Nature. I just met Trench in Jersey at the
where the Devil's play It for credential. Yeah. I was like, yo,
fucking Tretch, did you go to that show? There was
(18:26):
like that old school like random like a rock the
Bell show like like it was it was, by the way,
shout out to the old school hip hop shows. Because
being backstage at those shows it's the best because being
backstage are rolling loud, You're gonna want to blow your
head off eventually. It's like what the old school dudes
are just the coolest money, Like everyone just hanging out.
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No one's being extra like rock Kim's just sitting there
on a chair like wild. But for you, like, do
you feel like coming out of Jersey you kind of
have like a chip on your shoulder naturally to kind of,
you know, prove your against the New York scene.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Nah, not really. I never thought in terms of region
and like states and stuff like that. I don't. I
don't think Jersey defines me in any way musically. Like
I'm super happy that I'm from Jersey and probably why
I still live there because it's I can go outside
and it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's probably a lot cheaper, too cheaper.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Than New York for sure. Yeah. So, but I don't
think it really shaped my music as a state, right.
It's just kind of maybe East Coast so I grew
up listening to all that East Coast shit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It was too much influence from everywhere around.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
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would you say is like your main I would just
say I wouldn't ask you your influences, but like just
your goats, Like who's your top four or five guys?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's fluid My brother was asking me this the other day,
and it's like, it really could depend on the day.
That depends on what I need from hip hop at
the moment. So it's kind of tricky. I mean, of
course it's going to be nas Jay, Big Pac some days.
You know, Andre three thousands in the mix.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
All right, then guy for more nuanced dancer?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Though, what is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It to hard?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Tricky? I mean rock? You know my huge fan of
Willy the Kid.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, Willy don't get enough flowers man, Wily's cold.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So that's like, yeah, so it's like eras.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, like the Willie the Kid, A lot of the
dark Band, Little Little Pocket that those guys were in,
and like Willy was with drama right for a second, Yeah,
I got Willie is tough.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Some days it's like x poc you know what I mean,
Like some things, I don't you know, what do I
need from from the music. So that's fluid. I don't know,
it's hard to say too many, too much good music.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You have some of the more awesome random project names ever,
Like when you come up with like a Jaguar on
Palisade like series like what did Spot? I feel like
I visually see that.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The explanation is probably super boring. I mean, that's like
a street where where I grew up and when I
had let him up, I guess I used to just
spend a lot of time walking up and down that street.
So one of the things I bought when I got
a little bit of rat money was a X type
mint old joint, La too, thou Man.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That was like, that was a joint, the X type.
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So that was like a thing that I always liked
before when I was younger, And it kind of just
hit me one day when I was driving, like, damn,
I used to be up and down.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, hurting.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Now I'm in the crispy jag.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I gave him a rule, no animals under something m
or cars or cars. We called one pento, but I
named it that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So you have age driving. Used to bean, you have
a new Jaguar now because I'm in the beam now
on the beam now. The last time I was in
the Jaguars was in Waymouth. Do you know what? Yeah, yeah,
yeah they're jaguars.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They got to deal with Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You don't realize you get in and you're like, this
is a fucking Jaguars. Is so fucking contraption, This death
contraption that's driving me around Austin, Texas right now.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now. They're in la.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Worst ways to die or I mean it could I
mean yeah, I mean I guess I feel like my
family would benefit nicely if I died in a way moo,
they could sue.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
How many albums do you have officially.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
A lost count? It's double digits for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, crazy, Yeah, double digits.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You think it's like knocking on twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Might be past that, Yeah, but I just look at
it different because of the generation. To me, they just
feel more you know, like, yeah, their albums, but it's
also some things to me when I made them are
like mixtapes or yeah, like stream of Consciousness. It's it's
not the same way it used to be with albums, sure, right,
(23:42):
Like the attention spans are shorter. Music's coming out all
the time. So but yeah, technically you call them albums.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You guys obviously working on this in person, you've had
records where you work with skills or you work with mugs.
Does this feel like part up? Maybe another one?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think so? I agree, Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
It was fun. It was fun to make. I made
a beat that was the first one. It's a three
four rhythm, it's sixty five beats permitted. There's no percussion
and wrap on this. Normally I'd have to chop it
to like a four to four, try to make it
a premiere. Mind it kind of be you know what
(24:22):
I mean? And I mean he was like, I'm rap
on it like that. So it's like, I'm realizing that
working with him was dope because it might allow me
to do might push me a little bit or make
me do something different, And I like the options of
having that, you.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Know, yeah, for you man like v Like, you've locked
in with so many incredible mcs. Obviously Rocket Aside, but
you know even Blue, you know Blues on the album,
but he's also a fucking alien. Is it like, do
you approach each one of these studio sessions depending on
who the who the MC is differently or is it like, hey,
(24:58):
you're you're pulling up. I just followed my head blew.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This one was a very It was a wild card
a little bit in the sense that I kind of
I knew we'd been trying to link forever. I knew
we made something dope he came over into twenty or
twenty twenty one on the way back to the airport,
and I had a beat up and he did a
rhyme and it was quick, and I didn't feel the magic,
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and it just sat in my fucking not that the
rhyme was bad or my beat was bad, I just
didn't feel the Yeah. And then this time something different happened,
so our lives have whatever you've been doing and whatever
I've been doing came back right here to where I
was like, I want to do this project. Not to
mention his accolades and everything else, I have a high
respect for his rappid you know, but yeah, it's something
(25:47):
we could run back, especially if the if the vinyls
received well, then definitely.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, what is it for you? Man? Like being
able to connect with like legendary West Coast produces, working
on whole albums with Mugs or ev Like, what is it?
What is it about? You? Feel like the West Coast
underground sound that just kind of cuts through and works
so well with how you rap? Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's funny because I guess again, like that's a regional
kind of outlook. I just look at it like just
the sound that I gravitate towards. Whether it was because
he could have easily been an East Coast producer, right,
I mean everybody thought these guys are from New York.
So yeah, it's just a sound. It's just that ship
that I like. But yeah, it's super humbled and honored
(26:34):
anytime I get a chance to do something with you
know EV or you know someone like a Mugs or
you know, good resume, and it's always humbling because you know,
I used to rap on these people's beats on YouTube
or whatever back in the day.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So it's like, I know, you have a project called
Los Poils Hermanos with Gus fring on the on the cover.
I have to ask you this question, what shows better
Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's not a question that's going to say a.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Lot of people put better call Sau, but Breaking Bad.
I know it's not the popular opinion, but the opinion exists.
Wronger that have you ever did you finish better?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Cos you finished it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
People love that show.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, not fire.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
That was okay. As a Jersey guy, I hated Breaking Bad.
The Sopranosos.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I never watched Sopranos.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I never watched the end.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I never watched one.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sopranos is not one.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Not one episode, the whole ship. It's it's you gotta
watch the bad.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah. I rewatched it once every two or three.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Years with the wire above everything, and I tried that,
but it's like time sensitive because I'm like, I can't
do it now. Man, you had to be there. It's
like a lot of music, you kind of had to
be there.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You got to get through that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You have to smell the air that year.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
No, that's true. It's funny because, like I feel like
a lot of kids these days have a hard time.
Like if I give somebody, like my kid, like an
album that I know he'll like because I know who
he likes, it's new, he just can't connect to it
because it's old. And like, I'm like, how can you
not connect with this? This is my life. Listen to
this fucking outcast album A Kleminides. You know you love
(28:17):
Tyler the Creator, you like all that shit. Listen to this.
You'll love this and you just can't connect to it.
But I guess the TV it could be that way too.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Clem of Thrones I've never watched, and I will never
watch probably.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Wow, that's an old timer. It is, So what about you?
What's your favorite TV show? Fucking signed or something?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I just want I do all my ship and then
I put it on at the end, I watched Bobby
beat Bobby fla. That's what I do. Okay, Okay, I'm
not into it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Soprano's your goat?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What of wires up there?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Movies?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Liars up there?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The wire is so good man, oh so good. You
know what's crazy about the wire? As you meant? I mean,
I don't know how you reacted when season two started
and you were like, where's every everybody at? What's this doc? Shit?
For sure not saying yet that fucking season when you
rewatch it, it's so fucking good man.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And what's his name? Old boy just passed away, the
hank the main that the old dude the ball did
rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
But is this wire talk I missed?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, we're in the middle of some wire talk right now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Shout out young Guru. He loves the wire.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Shots Young Guru talk about for you man, like, uh,
do you already have like twelve albums planned for the
rest of the year because your output is so fucking insane.
I'm assuming the next thing is already lined up.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's what I told him. I said, chill a little,
step on it, let us live for a month.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Come on, yeah something. I'm always making music and it
doesn't mean that I'm in the studio every day, but
I just always like to be writing songs and recording them. Yeah.
It might not be in the studio every day, but
when I go, you know, five six songs and they
don't have to be for one thing. It's just like
a stove has four burners and I like to keep
(29:55):
all four burners occupied. What about it?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Rits on a crazy level for real?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
First, well, I mean you live in the studio quite literally.
Are you already working on the new album or you
are working as step Brothers coming there's.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I played you a rap.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Fire Fire.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
As soon as it was done, you went, come on.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That was the word come on, And that's for your first.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, I'm just starting to work right now. I want
to do what we're doing and just work. Yeah, and
when I have it, I'll have it. I'll been I've
been talking.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I just like to say the hip Boy al album's
got to be like it was good? Right, So you're like, hey, man.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
No, there's Gang Green. You'd be surprised. He'd be pressuring
me more than i'd be pressure.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We've had the conversation with him a bunch.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, So no, no, no, I gotta I think a lot.
Sometimes I gotta get over shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But I feel like you're getting over shit.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I am getting over shit. I've been through a wild
time in my life.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So I feel like this is like I feel like
you're in a really good space creatively.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, And I feel like you're in a really.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Good basically just like like I feel like the old
EV would have needed to have everything lined up, the
hard copies ready, and you're like, no, let's just stow
this out and like see how it does. And well,
fucking you.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Know, I'm excited for what's to come in. I just
want to be creative and move in real time and
repetition and quality and yeah, for people.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Who don't know, what is the kind of the backstory
on Bigger Picture.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I started a label in twenty twenty one and Alchemist
was putting me up on Game right around then. It
was a Boldie James and the early not that. Yeah,
I guess the early releases of ALC. Yeah, I was
seeing what he was doing, and he was telling me,
you need to do this, you need to trip it.
(31:47):
And so I took a lot of what he said.
He put me up on a game as far as like,
here's mistakes I made. If you don't do that, that
might save you two years right there, you know. So
it wasn't like here's how you're going to do this,
but it was kind of showing me how it works,
you know. And so my first record was an instrumental album.
I started Squirrel Tape instrumentals, Yeah, and then I did
(32:10):
a Planet Asia album Rule of Thirds and started making
forty fives and started doing all this shit. And also
because being there for my son, so you know, our
single dad, and so it was like, how do I
not have to chase the world book broadcast from my room,
you know, and preparation for me to be off rhyme
says one day and what am I going to do then?
(32:32):
So it's just I was nesting and nesting this bitch
and I did. I'm on this is I got almost
twenty nine releases. My twenty ninth release that's crazy, you know,
And twenty nine is wild it's wild man. I've been
working crazy, you know. I got my master's back from
ABB and this one and that one. So I'm at
bigger picture, oh twenty nine right now.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you have like the master's back from the first album. Yeah,
because Weatherman was ABB, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, got that bag, did a re release.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, because I feel like weather Man, Am I crazy?
Or was it not? On DSPs for a sec We've
had a lot of problems. Yeah, because I just remember
being like, how the fuck is the weather.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And the clean one got logged on eventually and it's
just been a big mess. So oh that's all resolved.
But you know, so just looking out for my future,
for my son to yeah own all this one day,
you know, things like real boss shit. I want to
move into that place where it's like on the label
and I'm making the beats. I can do the wrap.
There is a ship but on a you know, as
(33:35):
not on that level. But dude, I feel like that's
a great example of everyone to look at, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I feel like Al has somehow underratedly mastered this. Yeah,
the merch drop he just did, he did like a book.
I don't know, if y'all see this like little book
thing that opened, it was like.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's volume three. That's how late you are. There's been
two other books.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
No, but I'm just like, I'm like, this fucking guy
is you go on eBay and just type in his
vinyl and it's it's like it's like collecting. It's like
collector's items, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
shouts at my comedy as well as someone who also
has done a really good job of that ship. But
you know, uh yeah, it's it's crazy just you know,
he just I mean, I'll just announced this new Larry
(34:13):
June currency album. It's like this guy doesn't stop.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Man, It's beautiful and it's and if you're around that
every day, yeah, you put yourself in intimidating, humbling situations.
Yeah you're gonna rise.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Is there an EMC man that you would love to
do a full collab album with that you haven't worked
with yet?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
MC?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, MC.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
No, no, not really full album is crazy like joints
for sure, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
You don't want to wrap with nobody for a whole
like you and somebody stopped you and something because.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
The humanity level. Look, that's a big thing for me,
Like I gotta fuk you as a human who fuck
with him as a human, we would have never like
this album could have never happened, and he would still
be someone who I know, Like if I ask him
a question, the answer I could confide in the answer
right and the wisdom. So that's like a human thing.
(35:17):
I don't know a lot of people that I admire
a lot that I want to work with. Like what
if I say someone in but he's a jerk off
in real life?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Then what about someone who you have met and have
a relationship with it just for whatever reason, you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Haven't rock rock Marcy for sure. Yeah, great human you
know what I'm saying. And I think that would be crazy.
And we've talked about working. I don't know it would
be that capacity, more like on the production side, so
we'll see. But yeah, like the humanity is important, especially
for like a full album. Yeah, you don't got to
be a stand up guy to do a song with me.
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you see so many artists who are able to kind
of like turn their personality into a thing. Have you
ever seen like you know, maybe it's someone has a
YouTube channel, or is that ever something you've seen, like, man,
maybe I should be doing because I feel like you
got a good personality. Is that something that you've ever
thought about doing? Like, I don't know what you're into,
like twitch or something cooking?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Is it? No?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I don't know. Maybe you're what are you fucking into?
You're into collecting fucking basketball cards? I don't know what
you're into. But I feel like a lot of artists
are like extending their brand past the music in a
way where like almost everyone's becoming content creators, you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Know, yeah, doing an extra shit. Yeah, I think I
do that with like the merch you know, which is
like depending on who you ask, it's merch or it's
a clothing line. Yeah, either way, it probably started off
more on the merch side, and now it's like, you
know different, you know, we're doing like crazy shit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
If you consult for other artists where like if like
someone needed help with that type of shit, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah a lot of them need help with that type
of shit.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean I would argue most of them.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, a lot of them need help, man, because it sucks.
It's like one thing can throw everything off, you could
be fire, but the album RK sucks or you know,
everything else could be fire, but the way your Instagram
and there's just ass. I would definitely do that.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Do you think, because I know that you don't post
a lot, do you think ig aesthetic matters?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. And there's different rules that right there,
Like you got to do twenty reels a month to
for your shit to go crazy. Some people say that
it depends on what you want. That's fair, It depends
on what your is. I'm like catering to my core
most of the time. Everyone who hasn't heard of it
or is new to it, you guys are welcome aboard.
(39:31):
But I don't really play that game where it's like
I have to hack your attention twenty four to seven.
That's like tedious. I got a real life.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, for sure, it's definitely dude. Being an artist is
you know, depending on who you ask, you also have
to be a full time content creator, which is like
its own thing. Like you said, it's like somebody will
shoot twenty reels for one record.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah. I think my way of connecting with people too,
is like and I've heard this from from fans before,
it's like just showing even stories and stuff or whatever,
like or dumps photo dumps where it's like a you
see where I went, you see what I ate? People
will see they know I ride the bikes in the
spring or shoot hoops or make a good spat show
(40:15):
in my kitchen.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What's your team? Are you a nets guy?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I'm not even a team guy, just because it's just
crazy being from New Jersey. They took our team and
so yeah, I'm more like it. You know KD, big
Westbrook fan, Kobe.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
KD fucking great ear for hip hop. They guy's tap
the fucking.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Check our new shit out. You and Katie No, I
don't know, I'm saying, listen to our album.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh please? Yeah, I feel like Katie, I feel like
you'd be the type of artist like Katie d m
randomly like let me exact.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, I've always been like more of a follower with
players and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You like the Keith van Horn nets. Wasn't your your sure?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No? That was the last time the nets were in
my bag? Right, it's Carter Jason k Mark Kittles Right,
Oh that was that was a good team on NBA
or ever went to the finals. Against the LA Lakers.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, washed, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I am watching no sports.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Man, you're not You're not a Laker guy.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Fuck no, I haven't been a Laker guy since I
could name players on the team.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I kind of feel the same. I was just saying
this the other day. I like sportswear more than I
like the sports itself now, right, it's kind of like
the coliseum in Rome these days. Yeah, there's some shit
going on, so I'm not super like. You know, I
admire people who have the time to join fantasy leagues
and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
That's every year I say to myself, I'm never playing
fantasy football again because it takes up so much of
my mental space. And then every fucking year I'm part
of this league. It's like twenty years old. These motherfuckers
dragged me back in and then I'm over here at
two am waiting for the waivers to clear to pick
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up players. Not the live. You're a smart man, Stay
away from sports. They're evil. We don't know these fucking teams.
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The album is out War Cash.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Car Wash War Cash, Dumb Name, Great.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Name, Video drop Yesterday, Right.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Video dropped yesterday. Album is out today streaming. We're gonna
do vinyl vinyl limited amounts when I do announce it,
please tune in. Well, I think we'll be running it back.
Hopefully this can come to be some kind of live
event at some point.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah. I feel like you guys can at least do
two or three shows for this, you know, do the
East Coast to LA.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Something good or pop up up, do a pop up yea.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
But whenever you guys and I do a merch drop
when the vinyl.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Comes coming, and I'm definitely here to say, my god,
I love the way he wrapped on this, and that's
why we're here because I really need to broadcast that message,
like Yo, this is dope.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Go stream it and the hard copies are coming as
soon as they're done.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yes, yep, thank you for having us, of.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Course, bred much appreciated.
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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Back. We're back, We're back.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Let's go, and this time he has brought Crime Apple welcome.
Sure you guys, just obviously the new album just came
out today. Ye never met, No, we never met?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
First time?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, first time. Well, first of all, it's dope. Have
to see you back because I feel like the Blue
album was so good a couple of years ago. Man,
what is the genesis of you guys doing war cash?
Just so you know, not car washed war Cash.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
We were talking about it last time we were here. Yeah,
So it was like, production is serious to me, yeah,
you know, as it always has been.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
But like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
First Mike down yeap, production is serious to me and
always has been. But as a rapper, sometimes people look
at you maybe as what they know you for, right,
and it's hard to shake the image of that.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You're known for so much. You're known for being an
amazing solo artist, dilated people so much.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah, but I did production through all the Dilated stuff,
and I have my foot and a lot of and
a lot of things, and I just felt like starting
my label was away for me to show how serious
I am about the production. And we were talking about
me being on rhyme Sayers and eventually I knew that
was going to come to an end. So starting a label,
producing others and understanding how a label works, doing vinyl,
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building a relationship with people. So when I moved myself
over to my label, it wouldn't just be like throwing
myself to it. So I got to do all these
dope people, you know, produce all this stuff, not as
like trial and error, I mean, not as guinea pig shit,
but ur trial and error per se, but just really
learning what happens when you put out a record. And
(02:40):
you know, somebody was on Instagram today like why I
wasn't diverse there, you know, And I was telling you
that too. It's like, if you need a verse to
respect my production, then what does that say about my production? Right?
And so I really wanted to put my foot in
something like I got a bunch of things going on,
but really this year, turn it up and move in
real time. We made this album over the last couple
(03:02):
of months, you know what I mean. And so what
you're hearing is like a fresh fresh you know. Normally
it comes with like me having to wait for Vinyl, right,
and and so this was like, all right, let's just
get to it. And so I was saying Monday night.
I'm working with who's featured on the album and different
people now where I'm gonna throw it out right away
and let people feel it in real time, and then
if the heat is there, if it's really real, then
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the vinyl will be a good sell whenever it comes.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, whenever it comes, because that's kind of like this.
The thing about vinyl is what it's like, probably like
a at least a three month thing.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
If you're lucky.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You're lucky, right right right, and you've been doing the
vinyl thing for so long in terms of just like
physical copies of your music is kind of like how
your fans connect with you, you know what I'm saying. How
did you guys eventually link up and decide like, let's
do this.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, so we did Camouflage yep, what was that two thousand?
I brought them over the als. I made a beat
on the spot. I gave it to him. But it
was like one joint on a record, right, and sometimes
that you can't really tell people what you're trying to
do through one song on a record. So that was
(04:10):
that was cool. We had a show he rocked with me,
I believe in Long Beach or we did the show
somewhere Dope, so the connection has been there. It's not
out of nowhere, but it wasn't really anybody knew about this.
So he came over to do I have a forty
five series where I've been doing Strangers one and Boldie
and Flyanik and Theravada and Raka and Blue, so we
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came over to do one of those. Pretty much, it
was like, let's let's figure out a way to break
the ice. And then yo, he was killing it for real,
for real, because I have a thing where I'm when
I'm recording somebody if I could, if I'm while i'm recording,
if I just go, oh, don't fuck up right now,
because I'm hearing it like a record in the recording,
not like after I had plugins and shitle direct and
(04:54):
that it started happening off the rip with him. So
I'm like, he writes, really asked, and then writes about
things that we were talking about in the conversations, you know,
And so it was like, oh, this is actually like
you making I'm making the beats on the.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Spot and you're making the verses literally with.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And so we're both here in the next day something
that I don't remember he doesn't and I heard it
like a fan and I was like, Yo, this is heat,
this is heat right here. So we just did it.
And then I was like, can we hold water and
make a surprise record and tell nobody in the social
media era that that's what you do? You know, and
you have the making of it, and you're asking the fans,
you're playing snippets to tell them which one you're gonna
(05:31):
put out first. You're letting the audience almost dictate it,
you know. And so with this we went the other
way and put out a surprise record and it's it's
I love it, It's fire.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
What about you?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Man?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Like, obviously working with evvs a fucking legend, you know,
especially on the production side, what was the like your
approach to this record and working solely with ev on
an album It's gotta be dope?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It was pretty straightforward. I fuck with him as a
human being first and foremost, and you know, he's always
been holding it down with just like good advice and
you know, so it was pretty straightforward working with him.
I didn't really have like any expectation. I really pulled
(06:14):
up to do like one of two songs and of
course you hope that you know, you hit it out
the park and that was it. It's like cool, you
do a third song or fourth song and fifth song, sixth.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Song, and it's like, whoa, it's the whole fucking album. Yeah,
for you? Like do you usually cause? I like, are
you usually?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Like?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Cause that's kind of the one thing that me and
I would talk about was like not to overthink shit,
get it out, and then worry about the hard copy
shit later. Is this new for you too, like putting
something out so fast without having all of the vinyl
ready and all that shit. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
A little bit? Yeah, It's definitely new in the sense
where it's like a secret, you know what I'm saying. Like,
usually when I'm doing something, there's some inkling of notification
to the people, whether it's a you know, a single
that comes out and then you know, there's always some time.
But this was like complete the area of fifty one.
So that's the first time for sure. I didn't see
this coming.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You've obviously worked with a lot of dope producers, mugs,
I mean, going on around, But what is kind of
for you the process of because I feel like we
don't talk about ev enough as a producer. I was
just talking with my boy Spencer about this and I
was telling him. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go
interview ev and Crying Apple. They did the album together,
but Evan just did the beats and he's like, Yo,
that's crazy. We don't talk about him enough, but like,
(07:34):
what is the process? Like that's unique about his creative
process compared to some of the other dope.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Producers you've been in with and my experience, the only
person who's like, you got to be here. Everyone's not
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I made him fly out twice. I was like recording something, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Never worked with anyone that was like, yo, you got
so Yeah. But we've done records through email too, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, Like I know with him,
we've done the album, you know, and if we do
something else, it's not like he's going to email me
a pack still, Like there's some people who start like
that and then once they get to know you, they
get comfortable they'll email you. He's ever going to email
(08:12):
me beats, So I already know come.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I would have in the past. This is my new
me where I really want to see my vision through
from the recording side, to the mixing side, to choosing
who we mastered with, shooting and cover myself shot the video.
It's like I want to do I've always passed it
off to another mixer. I've always done something that gets
in the way of my full vision. So it was like,
can I do this?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah? You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
It's funny because you know, especially now that you have
your own label, it's like that's important too, Like there's
a there. I don't know if you know about the
artist Russ of course.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
So Russ is like one of those guys who just
everything's vertical. This guy will do the artwork he makes
as a master's he makes the beat he ran.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Whether you like his music, don't, or anything in between.
He's made a lot of really valid points that I
took to heart. Yeah, listening to I like some of
his music.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
You know, he's hard them Unch, what was it was it? Munch?
The ships he was wrapping on with like black thin.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, I was there when I was doing shit
with him and we're you know, and we're just sitting
like this. You can say what you want. He's killing it,
you know what I mean, And so fuck with that
for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, but for you, it's got to be just like
you're fully this is important for you because this is
like you're you got your own thing now rhyme sayers.
You know obviously you're you Now evidence is on bigger picture,
which is your labeled which will happens to you, right,
But I'm saying, like, you know, it's got to be like, Okay,
I want to make sure I really have the ball
(09:37):
in my hands.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But the part that I like is like, there's mixers
who mixed records. That's what they do. Yeah, you know,
I'm learning it. There's videographers who make videos, that's what
they do. I'm learning it. There's photographers, right, there's I
make beats. But you know, my point is is like
whether I'm good or however you rate me at this,
I want to I want to evolve publicly, like with
(09:59):
my cre right now. And working with him was super
inspiring on this one because it was like somebody matching
my as fast as I can make to be how
many meats I make on the spot for this one,
the majority of it, right, Yeah, I would say at
least six thousand and nine, right, And by the time
I was done doing what I was doing. The rhyme
was already ready and you could tell it wasn't a
pre done rhyme.
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RAFFI for you, man, like talk about just I feel
like we're in this like cool renaissance where I feel
like when I was growing up, like you could be
like a I guess what you would consider whatever an
underground rapper was back in the day, and like sell
out shows, sell hard copies, get a disco deal where
you get your CDs in all the record stores.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
It's a little harder obviously, but I feel like, you know, uh,
the floodgates are kind of open. If you can cultivate
a fan base and figure out a way to monetize.
That would have been some of the secrets to the
sauce for you to like be an independent rapper and
thrive in twenty twenty six. Now fuck yeah, yeah, I
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got like.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I think, like seven and a half under my belt years.
Customer service is probably one of the main things. Especially
I'm DIY for a lot of stuff, you know, I'll
do like temporary licensing with some people where they'll press
something up. But I do a lot of that shit
on my own, like my merge all that, So that's
(12:28):
like really important. You got to make sure that the
customer service is like top of the line if you
want to keep it going for years and years.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Yeah, it's like funny, we don't even think about that,
Like you'd like fans are customers, Like you want them
to be customers investors, You want them to invest in
your in your movement.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, and it's crazy because some we didn't do a
vinyl drop yet, but he's actually known for doing really
well on violul drops, you know what I mean. So
we're not even seeing the full potential of this. But
like getting the music out in real time was more
important first, and I've got a good product, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Do you feel like the vinyl game is Like I
feel like a lot of artists still don't take advantage
of like the hard media. Like there's people who I'll
talk to on this podcast where I'm like, you're not
doing a vinyl like you have fans that are like
real people walking like you're fucking just depending on streaming
to me is just a wild thing to do.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, Now people sleep on CDs and cassettes too. Yeah,
for sure they sleep on all that. There's a lot
of people that sleep on those things. I think they're important.
You know, you're leaving money on the table. And I
guess it depends on the type of artists. You know,
some people that's like a shift, the pivot that they
have to make. That's kind of how I started though.
You know, it's like hard copy base.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
So so you've only been doing this for real, for
real for seven and a half years.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, we're getting wrapped before that, like as an occupation,
it started to make sense to Yeah, as an occupation,
I haven't worked for anyone else in seven eight years,
seven and a half eight years.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
So you are always writing and ship for sure. Yeah
how about say fuck for you only rapping? You're pretty stellar, man,
That's like not a lot of people could say that.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, no, no, what it's you.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Know obviously I know and I know you've worked a
lot with the Griselda guys. Was anything about what they
were doing inspired you to kind of take the approach
you would take to your music and the way you
release it.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I think it's in general like that generation or and
maybe there's a couple of years in between some of
these artists, but like I was really inspired by like
what I saw Rock doing, Rock Willy, the Kids on Price, Griselda.
You know. It was like however many years that spanned,
it was super inspiring while I was sitting on the sidelines,
like yo, people fuck with you know these types of music.
(14:46):
It doesn't have to be some catchy, trendy.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Things that you don't have to do some auto tune
shit or get a club rec or you don't have
to have.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
A gazillion followers to make a living doing this.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think that's the key is Like I think a
lot of artists, they their priorities are so like I
would say, upside down, instead of cultivating the people they have,
which will result in like the word of mouth spreading.
They're worried about like damn, I gotta pay someone to
get on some playlists that are most likely bodied and
they look the thing that they look at is like
(15:17):
they were so worried about their monthly listeners before they're
worried about like I'm having actual fans that will support
you with their wallet, you know, Like which is where
it actually matters.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think depends on the type of music. If you're
making more of a current or a pop type rap thing,
then that might be the better way to go because
you know, if you make a song that sticks, then
all of that's just going to happen. You don't have
to worry about it. It'll all come to you. That is
a different model than most of the people that I'm seeing,
and we all are guilty of our stab at doing
that at one point in our career.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, we've all try to touch by the way, you
guys did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
We did best around. But you know what it is,
it's like some people have a better fit doing this.
It's not. It's like because it actually works and connects
this way where you don't have to chase it. I
think monthly followers is a is a good metric, but
I would look at how people are selling vinyl before
I would look at that because that's the way to
make money.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well, I think too, Like for you like you, it's like, man,
the longevity, I mean, fuck, the first dilated when was
Work the Angles eight well platform was two thousand, what
that actually came out? So yeah, so Work the Angles
was what got y all that deal crazy. So we're
(16:32):
almost thirty thirty years. It'll be thirty years in like
two years, crazy fucking one. No, no, yeah, because I'm
thirty nine, So in twenty twenty eight, it'll be thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Oh for that record. Yeah, I thought what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fucking you know.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, And it's still just as much of a puzzle
as it was then to me as it is now.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
But it's like to have the longevity and make this
like a thing for real, it's like you got to
always kind of reinvent yourself or evolve.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think the live show thing kept everything moving, you know.
I think when you have a live show. I've seen
him performing during Rock Marcy said he brought him.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Out yea Rocks so underrated man, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But when he came out, the crowding from crazy. So me,
I think Opio souls a Michig for watch it like
oh shit. Okay, So like those kind of things tell me, like,
because you can't fake the live, and the live is
what keeps you going for a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Hundred percent. Are you from Jersey or New York Jersey?
What part of Jersey?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Northern New Jersey? Okay, Okay, Okay. Yeah, it's like, you know,
I don't want to call it die in New York,
but we're like ten minutes away.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Little die in New York, A little Die in New York. Yeah,
Jersey's wild, dude, because it's like, you got a lot
going on. It's a lot. There's like so many pockets,
and if you drive across through Jersey you might think
you're in the South and something.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's a bunch of different states rolled in the one
for sure, Nah, for sure for you like, because I
feel like, you know, we think of Jersey.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think of like obviously Joe Budden, Redman, you know
all that shit.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Don't start Jersey outside is with Jersey, right, Oh my god,
everything was Jersey.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Uh who else is Jersey? Poor teachers, Queen Latifa? What's
the homie Sue Surf about to get released? Ure Notty
by Nature. I just met Trench in Jersey at the
where the Devil's play It for credential. Yeah. I was like, yo,
fucking Tretch, did you go to that show? There was
(18:26):
like that old school like random like a rock the
Bell show like like it was it was, by the way,
shout out to the old school hip hop shows. Because
being backstage at those shows it's the best because being
backstage are rolling loud, You're gonna want to blow your
head off eventually. It's like what the old school dudes
are just the coolest money, Like everyone just hanging out.
(18:48):
No one's being extra like rock Kim's just sitting there
on a chair like wild. But for you, like, do
you feel like coming out of Jersey you kind of
have like a chip on your shoulder naturally to kind of,
you know, prove your against the New York scene.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Nah, not really. I never thought in terms of region
and like states and stuff like that. I don't. I
don't think Jersey defines me in any way musically. Like
I'm super happy that I'm from Jersey and probably why
I still live there because it's I can go outside
and it's not crazy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's probably a lot cheaper, too cheaper.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Than New York for sure. Yeah. So, but I don't
think it really shaped my music as a state, right.
It's just kind of maybe East Coast so I grew
up listening to all that East Coast shit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It was too much influence from everywhere around.
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would you say is like your main I would just
say I wouldn't ask you your influences, but like just
your goats, Like who's your top four or five guys?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's fluid My brother was asking me this the other day,
and it's like, it really could depend on the day.
That depends on what I need from hip hop at
the moment. So it's kind of tricky. I mean, of
course it's going to be nas Jay, Big Pac some days.
You know, Andre three thousands in the mix.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
All right, then guy for more nuanced dancer?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Though, what is.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It to hard?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Tricky? I mean rock? You know my huge fan of
Willy the Kid.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know, Willy don't get enough flowers man, Wily's cold.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So that's like, yeah, so it's like eras.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, like the Willie the Kid, A lot of the
dark Band, Little Little Pocket that those guys were in,
and like Willy was with drama right for a second, Yeah,
I got Willie is tough.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Some days it's like x poc you know what I mean,
Like some things, I don't you know, what do I
need from from the music. So that's fluid. I don't know,
it's hard to say too many, too much good music.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You have some of the more awesome random project names ever,
Like when you come up with like a Jaguar on
Palisade like series like what did Spot? I feel like
I visually see that.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
The explanation is probably super boring. I mean, that's like
a street where where I grew up and when I
had let him up, I guess I used to just
spend a lot of time walking up and down that street.
So one of the things I bought when I got
a little bit of rat money was a X type
mint old joint, La too, thou Man.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
That was like, that was a joint, the X type.
Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
So that was like a thing that I always liked
before when I was younger, And it kind of just
hit me one day when I was driving, like, damn,
I used to be up and down.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, hurting.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Now I'm in the crispy jag.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I gave him a rule, no animals under something m
or cars or cars. We called one pento, but I
named it that.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
So you have age driving. Used to bean, you have
a new Jaguar now because I'm in the beam now
on the beam now. The last time I was in
the Jaguars was in Waymouth. Do you know what? Yeah, yeah,
yeah they're jaguars.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
They got to deal with Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You don't realize you get in and you're like, this
is a fucking Jaguars. Is so fucking contraption, This death
contraption that's driving me around Austin, Texas right now.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Now. They're in la.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Worst ways to die or I mean it could I
mean yeah, I mean I guess I feel like my
family would benefit nicely if I died in a way moo,
they could sue.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
How many albums do you have officially.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
A lost count? It's double digits for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, crazy, Yeah, double digits.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
You think it's like knocking on twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Might be past that, Yeah, but I just look at
it different because of the generation. To me, they just
feel more you know, like, yeah, their albums, but it's
also some things to me when I made them are
like mixtapes or yeah, like stream of Consciousness. It's it's
not the same way it used to be with albums, sure, right,
(23:42):
Like the attention spans are shorter. Music's coming out all
the time. So but yeah, technically you call them albums.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You guys obviously working on this in person, you've had
records where you work with skills or you work with mugs.
Does this feel like part up? Maybe another one?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think so? I agree, Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
It was fun. It was fun to make. I made
a beat that was the first one. It's a three
four rhythm, it's sixty five beats permitted. There's no percussion
and wrap on this. Normally I'd have to chop it
to like a four to four, try to make it
a premiere. Mind it kind of be you know what
(24:22):
I mean? And I mean he was like, I'm rap
on it like that. So it's like, I'm realizing that
working with him was dope because it might allow me
to do might push me a little bit or make
me do something different, And I like the options of
having that, you.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Know, yeah, for you man like v Like, you've locked
in with so many incredible mcs. Obviously Rocket Aside, but
you know even Blue, you know Blues on the album,
but he's also a fucking alien. Is it like, do
you approach each one of these studio sessions depending on
who the who the MC is differently or is it like, hey,
(24:58):
you're you're pulling up. I just followed my head blew.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
This one was a very It was a wild card
a little bit in the sense that I kind of
I knew we'd been trying to link forever. I knew
we made something dope he came over into twenty or
twenty twenty one on the way back to the airport,
and I had a beat up and he did a
rhyme and it was quick, and I didn't feel the magic,
(25:24):
and it just sat in my fucking not that the
rhyme was bad or my beat was bad, I just
didn't feel the Yeah. And then this time something different happened,
so our lives have whatever you've been doing and whatever
I've been doing came back right here to where I
was like, I want to do this project. Not to
mention his accolades and everything else, I have a high
respect for his rappid you know, but yeah, it's something
(25:47):
we could run back, especially if the if the vinyls
received well, then definitely.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
You know, what is it for you? Man? Like being
able to connect with like legendary West Coast produces, working
on whole albums with Mugs or ev Like, what is it?
What is it about? You? Feel like the West Coast
underground sound that just kind of cuts through and works
so well with how you rap? Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It's funny because I guess again, like that's a regional
kind of outlook. I just look at it like just
the sound that I gravitate towards. Whether it was because
he could have easily been an East Coast producer, right,
I mean everybody thought these guys are from New York.
So yeah, it's just a sound. It's just that ship
that I like. But yeah, it's super humbled and honored
(26:34):
anytime I get a chance to do something with you
know EV or you know someone like a Mugs or
you know, good resume, and it's always humbling because you know,
I used to rap on these people's beats on YouTube
or whatever back in the day.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So it's like, I know, you have a project called
Los Poils Hermanos with Gus fring on the on the cover.
I have to ask you this question, what shows better
Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
It's not a question that's going to say a.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Lot of people put better call Sau, but Breaking Bad.
I know it's not the popular opinion, but the opinion exists.
Wronger that have you ever did you finish better?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Cos you finished it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:19):
People love that show.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, not fire.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
That was okay. As a Jersey guy, I hated Breaking Bad.
The Sopranosos.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I never watched Sopranos.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
I never watched the end.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
I never watched one.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sopranos is not one.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Not one episode, the whole ship. It's it's you gotta
watch the bad.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah. I rewatched it once every two or three.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Years with the wire above everything, and I tried that,
but it's like time sensitive because I'm like, I can't
do it now. Man, you had to be there. It's
like a lot of music, you kind of had to
be there.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
You got to get through that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
You have to smell the air that year.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
No, that's true. It's funny because, like I feel like
a lot of kids these days have a hard time.
Like if I give somebody, like my kid, like an
album that I know he'll like because I know who
he likes, it's new, he just can't connect to it
because it's old. And like, I'm like, how can you
not connect with this? This is my life. Listen to
this fucking outcast album A Kleminides. You know you love
(28:17):
Tyler the Creator, you like all that shit. Listen to this.
You'll love this and you just can't connect to it.
But I guess the TV it could be that way too.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Clem of Thrones I've never watched, and I will never
watch probably.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Wow, that's an old timer. It is, So what about you?
What's your favorite TV show? Fucking signed or something?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
I just want I do all my ship and then
I put it on at the end, I watched Bobby
beat Bobby fla. That's what I do. Okay, Okay, I'm
not into it.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Soprano's your goat?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What of wires up there?
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Movies?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Liars up there?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
The wire is so good man, oh so good. You
know what's crazy about the wire? As you meant? I mean,
I don't know how you reacted when season two started
and you were like, where's every everybody at? What's this doc? Shit?
For sure not saying yet that fucking season when you
rewatch it, it's so fucking good man.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And what's his name? Old boy just passed away, the
hank the main that the old dude the ball did
rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
But is this wire talk I missed?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, we're in the middle of some wire talk right now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Shout out young Guru. He loves the wire.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Shots Young Guru talk about for you man, like, uh,
do you already have like twelve albums planned for the
rest of the year because your output is so fucking insane.
I'm assuming the next thing is already lined up.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's what I told him. I said, chill a little,
step on it, let us live for a month.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Come on, yeah something. I'm always making music and it
doesn't mean that I'm in the studio every day, but
I just always like to be writing songs and recording them. Yeah.
It might not be in the studio every day, but
when I go, you know, five six songs and they
don't have to be for one thing. It's just like
a stove has four burners and I like to keep
(29:55):
all four burners occupied. What about it?
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Rits on a crazy level for real?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
First, well, I mean you live in the studio quite literally.
Are you already working on the new album or you
are working as step Brothers coming there's.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I played you a rap.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Fire Fire.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
As soon as it was done, you went, come on.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That was the word come on, And that's for your first.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, I'm just starting to work right now. I want
to do what we're doing and just work. Yeah, and
when I have it, I'll have it. I'll been I've
been talking.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I just like to say the hip Boy al album's
got to be like it was good? Right, So you're like, hey, man.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
No, there's Gang Green. You'd be surprised. He'd be pressuring
me more than i'd be pressure.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
We've had the conversation with him a bunch.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Yeah, So no, no, no, I gotta I think a lot.
Sometimes I gotta get over shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
But I feel like you're getting over shit.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I am getting over shit. I've been through a wild
time in my life.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
So I feel like this is like I feel like
you're in a really good space creatively.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, And I feel like you're in a really.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Good basically just like like I feel like the old
EV would have needed to have everything lined up, the
hard copies ready, and you're like, no, let's just stow
this out and like see how it does. And well,
fucking you.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Know, I'm excited for what's to come in. I just
want to be creative and move in real time and
repetition and quality and yeah, for people.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Who don't know, what is the kind of the backstory
on Bigger Picture.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I started a label in twenty twenty one and Alchemist
was putting me up on Game right around then. It
was a Boldie James and the early not that. Yeah,
I guess the early releases of ALC. Yeah, I was
seeing what he was doing, and he was telling me,
you need to do this, you need to trip it.
(31:47):
And so I took a lot of what he said.
He put me up on a game as far as like,
here's mistakes I made. If you don't do that, that
might save you two years right there, you know. So
it wasn't like here's how you're going to do this,
but it was kind of showing me how it works,
you know. And so my first record was an instrumental album.
I started Squirrel Tape instrumentals, Yeah, and then I did
(32:10):
a Planet Asia album Rule of Thirds and started making
forty fives and started doing all this shit. And also
because being there for my son, so you know, our
single dad, and so it was like, how do I
not have to chase the world book broadcast from my room,
you know, and preparation for me to be off rhyme
says one day and what am I going to do then?
(32:32):
So it's just I was nesting and nesting this bitch
and I did. I'm on this is I got almost
twenty nine releases. My twenty ninth release that's crazy, you know,
And twenty nine is wild it's wild man. I've been
working crazy, you know. I got my master's back from
ABB and this one and that one. So I'm at
bigger picture, oh twenty nine right now.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
So you have like the master's back from the first album. Yeah,
because Weatherman was ABB, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, got that bag, did a re release.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, because I feel like weather Man, Am I crazy?
Or was it not? On DSPs for a sec We've
had a lot of problems. Yeah, because I just remember
being like, how the fuck is the weather.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
And the clean one got logged on eventually and it's
just been a big mess. So oh that's all resolved.
But you know, so just looking out for my future,
for my son to yeah own all this one day,
you know, things like real boss shit. I want to
move into that place where it's like on the label
and I'm making the beats. I can do the wrap.
There is a ship but on a you know, as
(33:35):
not on that level. But dude, I feel like that's
a great example of everyone to look at, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
I feel like Al has somehow underratedly mastered this. Yeah,
the merch drop he just did, he did like a book.
I don't know, if y'all see this like little book
thing that opened, it was like.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
That's volume three. That's how late you are. There's been
two other books.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
No, but I'm just like, I'm like, this fucking guy
is you go on eBay and just type in his
vinyl and it's it's like it's like collecting. It's like
collector's items, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
shouts at my comedy as well as someone who also
has done a really good job of that ship. But
you know, uh yeah, it's it's crazy just you know,
he just I mean, I'll just announced this new Larry
(34:13):
June currency album. It's like this guy doesn't stop.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Man, It's beautiful and it's and if you're around that
every day, yeah, you put yourself in intimidating, humbling situations.
Yeah you're gonna rise.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Is there an EMC man that you would love to
do a full collab album with that you haven't worked
with yet?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
MC?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, MC.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
No, no, not really full album is crazy like joints
for sure, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
You don't want to wrap with nobody for a whole
like you and somebody stopped you and something because.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
The humanity level. Look, that's a big thing for me,
Like I gotta fuk you as a human who fuck
with him as a human, we would have never like
this album could have never happened, and he would still
be someone who I know, Like if I ask him
a question, the answer I could confide in the answer
right and the wisdom. So that's like a human thing.
(35:17):
I don't know a lot of people that I admire
a lot that I want to work with. Like what
if I say someone in but he's a jerk off
in real life?
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Then what about someone who you have met and have
a relationship with it just for whatever reason, you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Haven't rock rock Marcy for sure. Yeah, great human you
know what I'm saying. And I think that would be crazy.
And we've talked about working. I don't know it would
be that capacity, more like on the production side, so
we'll see. But yeah, like the humanity is important, especially
for like a full album. Yeah, you don't got to
be a stand up guy to do a song with me.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
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Man.
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(37:49):
you see so many artists who are able to kind
of like turn their personality into a thing. Have you
ever seen like you know, maybe it's someone has a
YouTube channel, or is that ever something you've seen, like, man,
maybe I should be doing because I feel like you
got a good personality. Is that something that you've ever
thought about doing? Like, I don't know what you're into,
like twitch or something cooking?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Is it? No?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I don't know. Maybe you're what are you fucking into?
You're into collecting fucking basketball cards? I don't know what
you're into. But I feel like a lot of artists
are like extending their brand past the music in a
way where like almost everyone's becoming content creators, you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Know, yeah, doing an extra shit. Yeah, I think I
do that with like the merch you know, which is
like depending on who you ask, it's merch or it's
a clothing line. Yeah, either way, it probably started off
more on the merch side, and now it's like, you
know different, you know, we're doing like crazy shit.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
If you consult for other artists where like if like
someone needed help with that type of shit, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah a lot of them need help with that type
of shit.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I mean I would argue most of them.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, a lot of them need help, man, because it sucks.
It's like one thing can throw everything off, you could
be fire, but the album RK sucks or you know,
everything else could be fire, but the way your Instagram
and there's just ass. I would definitely do that.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Do you think, because I know that you don't post
a lot, do you think ig aesthetic matters?
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. And there's different rules that right there,
Like you got to do twenty reels a month to
for your shit to go crazy. Some people say that
it depends on what you want. That's fair, It depends
on what your is. I'm like catering to my core
most of the time. Everyone who hasn't heard of it
or is new to it, you guys are welcome aboard.
(39:31):
But I don't really play that game where it's like
I have to hack your attention twenty four to seven.
That's like tedious. I got a real life.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, for sure, it's definitely dude. Being an artist is
you know, depending on who you ask, you also have
to be a full time content creator, which is like
its own thing. Like you said, it's like somebody will
shoot twenty reels for one record.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah. I think my way of connecting with people too,
is like and I've heard this from from fans before,
it's like just showing even stories and stuff or whatever,
like or dumps photo dumps where it's like a you
see where I went, you see what I ate? People
will see they know I ride the bikes in the
spring or shoot hoops or make a good spat show
(40:15):
in my kitchen.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What's your team? Are you a nets guy?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I'm not even a team guy, just because it's just
crazy being from New Jersey. They took our team and
so yeah, I'm more like it. You know KD, big
Westbrook fan, Kobe.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
KD fucking great ear for hip hop. They guy's tap
the fucking.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Check our new shit out. You and Katie No, I
don't know, I'm saying, listen to our album.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh please? Yeah, I feel like Katie, I feel like
you'd be the type of artist like Katie d m
randomly like let me exact.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, I've always been like more of a follower with
players and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You like the Keith van Horn nets. Wasn't your your sure?
Speaker 2 (40:55):
No? That was the last time the nets were in
my bag? Right, it's Carter Jason k Mark Kittles Right,
Oh that was that was a good team on NBA
or ever went to the finals. Against the LA Lakers.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Yeah, washed, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I am watching no sports.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Man, you're not You're not a Laker guy.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Fuck no, I haven't been a Laker guy since I
could name players on the team.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I kind of feel the same. I was just saying
this the other day. I like sportswear more than I
like the sports itself now, right, it's kind of like
the coliseum in Rome these days. Yeah, there's some shit
going on, so I'm not super like. You know, I
admire people who have the time to join fantasy leagues
and shit like that.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
That's every year I say to myself, I'm never playing
fantasy football again because it takes up so much of
my mental space. And then every fucking year I'm part
of this league. It's like twenty years old. These motherfuckers
dragged me back in and then I'm over here at
two am waiting for the waivers to clear to pick
(41:58):
up players. Not the live. You're a smart man, Stay
away from sports. They're evil. We don't know these fucking teams.
I've been wearing odd socks, so that's a good thing.
That's good shots.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Odd socks, shot out socks.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
We gotta get Green Apple some odd socks anyway. List
The album is out War Cash.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Car Wash War Cash, Dumb Name, Great.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Name, Video drop Yesterday, Right.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Video dropped yesterday. Album is out today streaming. We're gonna
do vinyl vinyl limited amounts when I do announce it,
please tune in. Well, I think we'll be running it back.
Hopefully this can come to be some kind of live
event at some point.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah. I feel like you guys can at least do
two or three shows for this, you know, do the
East Coast to LA.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Something good or pop up up, do a pop up yea.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
But whenever you guys and I do a merch drop
when the vinyl.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Comes coming, and I'm definitely here to say, my god,
I love the way he wrapped on this, and that's
why we're here because I really need to broadcast that message,
like Yo, this is dope.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Go stream it and the hard copies are coming as
soon as they're done.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yes, yep, thank you for having us, of.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Course, bred much appreciated.
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