#640 - Ben Reilly Talks Drake vs Kendrick Lamar Beef, Favorite Comics, New Music & More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Bootleg Cab Podcast. We got a special guest in here,
finally getting them on after he dropped an incredible album

(00:48):
the end of last year. I got Ben Riley, what's
going on? My brother?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You got your show in La tonight?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yes, sir, Peppermint Club.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, sir, how's a man? I feel like you've since
I feel like you were here over a year ago.
I want to say, maybe two.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Years ago, three years ago, twenty three Damn I remember
because because I had toy with West Side Boogie in
Europe and it was right before I did that to
it time Fly.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, things have been going great for you, man.
How are you feeling just in general, like I feel
like you're finally starting to get the recognition the flowers
from a lot of like important people, like, like, how
are you feeling right now about everything?

Speaker 3 (01:23):
I feel good?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
You know, since my last time here, we kind of
like took a lot of time to reconfigure, you know,
in preparation for the album, so like label situations, all
type of things. So like it's been like a labor
of love but also like just like a real serious.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Journey for me.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
So like now I'm starting to, like, you know, we're
starting to get that momentum back going, starting to get
some good movement. The album's been you know, well received mostly,
so I feel great.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, talk to me. What is your label situation? Are
you independent?

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm independent? Okay, I'm independent. What I had to deal
with Sony, but it was a destroy deal. So I'm
still independent, right, but the situation was a little different.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Do you feel like I mean, obviously there's been all this, like,
you know, you've seen a lot of artists kind of
I guess no shoe fits all.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah, no, rap shit, everybody path different is your?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You think your path is to stay as independent as
long as possible until like the right situation comes up.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Uh, That's that's my philosophy.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I would like to you know, retain ownership of what
I have and you know, curate my career the.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Way I want to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
But uh, you know, if the right situation comes along
and the terms really feel right for me and what
I what I want out of this, I'm not mad
at going that direction too.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah. I just think the most important thing, too, is
for someone like you is to like have someone who
comes into the situation that gets the vision, that doesn't
want to funk with.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
The vision exactly, and just empathize it, you know, throw
gasoline on it.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Not like hey man, we need you to do this
kind of song.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah no, no, yeah, I feel like, you know, and
I have a good team that like lets me just
be creative on my own and their input is very
like you know, very much, So like you know, how
do we amplithy what you're doing or add to it
rather than take away?

Speaker 3 (03:13):
So like, yeah, just more pieces like that. I feel
like with like changed.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
To there seems to be like this really dope movement
going on. You know, I had Marco plus on, I've
been talking with Chris Patrick for a minute. Obviously sinners
and credit my brothers shout out. Yeah, but there is
this like bubbling scene. I guess you could call it.
That's on the underground. Yeah, they don't know what the

(03:37):
underground means anymore.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, it's interesting because they've been they've been saying it's
like a new class type of situation, which I like,
I fully fully accept for sure. But yeah, shout out Samarrow,
that's the homie. Shout out Chris and Marco. Those my brothers,
like we talked liuvin Vincent, we all talk like every day.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Those are my dogs. And shout out Overcast that's my
boy too.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think I think we.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
All have the capabilities of like doing like some amazing
that we already doing great stuff, but like just on
a larger scale. I could see it for everybody. It's
just we all got you know, we all got work
to do. We're still like budding.

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I was gonna say, I saw Jeremy say something that
there was this like group of a bunch of folks
getting together to put together. Ahaaa, you a part of that.
I don't know. Why are you getting shished over here?
The other white men already going to snitch? I saw
you in the background. When was there shout out? When
man shout out with man, Yeah, what are you guys doing?

(06:05):
You guys doing a Justice League type of fu is
it a project, a.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Song, so because it's not necessarily my thing? Are you
a part of I'm a part of something, but I can't.
I can't be the one that just.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
When's a part of it too.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Maybe possibly she just be around you know when, you know,
when kicking in Atlanta with the rest of us.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Some times, yeah, shout out, shout out say when yeah, yeah,
that's my dog. Win is amazing bro.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
So in theory, if you and a bunch of dope
rappers around your age group in class were to get together,
would you like to do a song with them or
do a whole project with them? You know, in a
hypothetical world that isn't real.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
In the hypothetical world that isn't real.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
If me and said artists, like you know, a Win
or whoever were to get together and like I don't know,
work on like a project or something, that would be cool,
but that hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Especially if like it was like, yo, let's do this
in like a weekend and see what in the week Yeah,
like that'd be crazy, Like yo, let's just see how
crazy it be.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Have Blue Leg cav hosted. You know what I'm saying,
that's all right? The man that aired you out over there.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
He said everything you should definitely picked up on the mic. Hell. Yeah, yo,
so talk to me about uh, you know, for for
people who don't know, you know, I just dived into
your Rob Markman interview shot to Rob who else was
a part of wins team? So he I'm sure he

(07:31):
knows the goodies and I'm gonna I'm gonna that man
the genius. You are a huge comic book guy. If
anyone who's been paying attention to you or listens to you,
they would know that. Obviously your name is after Spider Man.
I want you to give me your top three Spider
Man movies.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Movies Okay, Spider Man two for sure, Toby Toby. Yes,
I'm gonna go into the Spider Verse. Yeah, the first one,
and then I'm gonna go damn the this is this
is bad because like Andrew is my favorite version of
I'm gonna go TASM one because I just really enjoy

(08:08):
Andrew's portrayal of the character.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I think it feels the same thinks Andrew's the best Garfield,
the best, best, the best Spider Man.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, he's I feel like I feel like he's just
well rounded. He's really really good at Spider Man, but
his movies unfortunately didn't like they had good style. The
first Spider Man was cool, the second one, the second
one was all over the place.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah that was the one with Jamie Fox.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but like and it's not
I don't I don't think it's fair to just go
all Toby because Toby's movies are the better movies to me.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think one and two specifically, Yeah, one and two,
I think, Uh, I like the Spider Verse ship that
I think the cartoon is crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's amazing, like if if animated movies didn't have that
asterisk with it. Yeah, they have an asterisk because I
honestly think at times I could say that they're better
than the total ones for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
How do you feel because there is this cool like pollination,
cross pollination of of that world, like and hip hop.
We just saw a comic con. They did the panel, Yeah,
they did the panel, and they did the special edition
comic book with mass appeal and like they face. Is
that something you kind of inspired to do, like on

(09:23):
a bigger level where you want to bring those two
worlds together in a real way.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Absolutely, I especially want to do a comic book. I
want to do God Will and Yo, Sony, somebody let
me do the Moules Morale soundtrack one day. You know
that would be amazing, you know, Brooklyn, you know what
I'm saying. But yeah, I want to do it on
a larger scale one day. I've performed at a couple

(09:47):
comic conventions, so I would love to do something like
that on a larger scale, like I don't know, like
combining a comic convention with like a music festival.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Have you been to comic con yet? Not yet?

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Wild? Yeah, yeah, that's the one. I haven't been to
super Bowl for that. Yes, huge last year.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
And I was like, what, you went to San Diego?
And Okay where San Diego?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
They say it's the San Diego the New York.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, because I think San Diego is just larger, It's
way bigger.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, we went to like a Peacemaker event. Did you
meet John Cena? He was in that motherfucker you've seen him?
He walked right past me. He didn't see him? Yeah,
I did, well, I mean he was invisible. Yeah, it
was just but he was in full costume.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Oh ship. Yeah, he commssed the role.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
So it was just a helmet walking by.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
That's so hard.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
James Gunn was just hanging out.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, Yo, shout out, shout out James Gunn. He likes
hip hop like heavily.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
He had this group. So there's like if you did
you watch Peacemaker season two, so there's like that rock
music that's always held an inappropriate playing throughout the season.
It's this group called Steel Panther.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yes, yes, is that that's the That's the group they
had on the boat scene.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think. So there's two groups. So there's the group
that did the actual intro song.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Okay, I think that's the one that's on the.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Bay performed, but then there's this other group that did
a lot of the soundtracks. So he had both of
the bands performing and he was just upstairs just singing
along one.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
With James good Man.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
James Gunn is the guy. Yeah, he's great. Did you
like Peacemaker? Loved it? Did you? Were you? Because my
kid tipped he called the whole other universe being racist?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, I called that offer.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah. My son's like, hey, you noticed something about that
New World.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
That no black people nothing?

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And I was like, yeah, yep, but like it, I
thought it was going to be like because what is
it in DC?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I think it's Earth X whether like all like Nazis
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I thought it was gonna be like that because like
I'm like, damn, like his brother's alive every day.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
It made sense, like why his dad was so happy,
yes exactly, and like his family was thriving because it.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
In that world they would be video shit exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah, it's crazy, man. Shout to John Cena and shout
out to John Cena. What for you man? Like, obviously
I feel like you. You take so much time and
and and put so much attention to detail into your albums.
Have you already started working on your next project?

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yes? Like idea wise for sure?

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Uh, you know, because what I really want to do,
I want to I don't want to take years between projects.
I'm not afforded that lux regis yet, so right, Yeah,
so I want to.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I want to kind of keep the pressure going exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
So I want to. I want to double back as
soon as I possibly can. But yeah, I put a
lot of effort and detail into it.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
So talk to me. You know, it feels like obviously
you have you have such a I guess a multi
geography background obviously here in New York, Maryland for a
little bit Maryland for Atlanta. Do you feel like because Atlanta,
I feel like has had a commercially maybe like a
drought Lyrically, Uh, I feel like it's the page is turning,

(12:48):
Like all the young guys are like obviously j I
d you know, it's incredible. But in terms of like
most of the commercial music out of Atlanta, I would say,
like lyric lyricism hasn't been at the forefront of it.
Not to say that these guys can't be you know,
but it's been more about songwriting, melody, et cetera. For
you to it's like, do you feel like Atlanta's like
new generation is in a place to kind of like

(13:09):
carry on what you know, guys like Outcast and Goodie
Mob And.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, because I feel like I feel like Atlanta's like
new new rappers can definitely we could do both, Like
if you include me in that, I believe I could
do both. Soave, Kenny Mason, Marco plus like Jade, everybody
can do both. Again, it's just a matter of like

(13:33):
the awareness and reach you know, when that when that
time comes for everyone, I mean obviously is crazy he's
already out of it, but just for us that's still
working our way up. Yeah, I think I think we
can definitely do that.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I saw that you you had said that you were
kind of like coming up and like you'd first kind
of like got on a lot of the rap shit
six and parts like that. Who do you think was
like the number one like influence on you to start
kind of like pushing your pen.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
More as an artist, jay Z? Yeah? For sure.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Was there any particular album or so so growing up?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Obviously I was familiar with like Hove, but like when
it came down to like all right, I'm gonna take
the time to like really really like get nice, I
actually like sat down and listened.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
To all his albums like one one week. I just
listened to everything.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
It was like almost going to school.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah yeah, yeah, And then I realized how many like
of my favorite artists like borrow from him. When you
look at like Kendrick Cole, Wayne, everybody, everybody borrows like
a jay Z lyric and flips it some way somehow.
So I would say jay Z. Jay Z is the one,
like especially like on my last album, I referenced him
like a lot. I referenced a lot of his lyrics,
like almost on every other song.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah do you. I also say you're a big Wayne guy.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Love Wayne.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Did you see the Russell's take on Little Wayne?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I was gonna ask you at that moment, Yeah I was.
I made a little tweet about it, shout shout out
of the Russell. I respect Lo Russell. You know what
I'm saying. I think what he's doing is though, But
I just yeah, I didn't agree with his take, but
I saw where he was coming from. I will say
that obviously with the with the way people clipped media, Like.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
I saw the totality of what he said, and then
like what got clipped made it seem a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
More like malicious things.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, and I agree with that, but I definitely
think it's like it's one of those things. It's also
how I feel about how people talk about hip hop
nowadays too, where it's like, oh, there's no substance in
hip hop nowadays, and it's like you're just not looking
for it. Wayne had a lot of songs with substance.
You just weren't privy to it because that wasn't the Wayne.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Definitely had some songs with substance. No, he had a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
He had a lot of Georgy had Georgia Bushy had
Georgia bush.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
He had some.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, it wasn't obviously it wasn't his
m O. And Wayne say that himself. He said that
in the interviews, like that's not my MO, but he
does do it.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I think like part of like why we love hip
hop is because we're able to live vicariously through a
lot of people. And it's like just because like Lil
Wayne's story is you know a lot of I mean
I think about like a song like I Feel Like Dying,
which is one of my favorite songs. So I've never
been that high.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
For sure, it is unique. It's unique to the users.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
To hear a rapper like like you know the pick,
Like the imagery of that song is so crazy. It's like,
damn that sounds hard. The same way they're like we
love gangster rap to an extent, like obviously like I
came up in a really bad area. But it's like
if I'm listening to g Z talk about getting ship
off for seventeen five, yeah, or the you know my
favorite rap group.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
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Speaker 1 (18:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Much love to my brothers over there. What was your
favorite album outside of your own last year?

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Clips? Okay, I really enjoyed Clips and Playboard CARDI.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
The Cardio album is a fucking fun listen.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, I fucking love it. I work out. I work
out to it.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I didn't realize how much I listened to that album
until the Spotify raps came out and it was in
your top albums, and I was like, oh, ship, because
there's like three or four of them joints, and I'll
just throw on.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It just like yeah, it's nice. Jordan is so so hard.
Crank Crank is my ship? Like wheezy, uh, what's this?
You gotta nor come? Overly? Overly? Overly is hard too?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Yeah, but I say Clips and Clips and Cardi were
the two albums I played the most last year for sure?

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Do you is it hard for you to because I
know some artists like Will, if they're in the middle
of creating, they'll try not to listen to that much
other music because they sure to be subconsciously influenced. Is
that an easy like are you somebody who? Yes?

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So that's something I've started to adopt because yeah, I
like to, Like when I was working on my like
last like my newest project, say, I really just listen
to myself, Like mostly I listened to myself as a
fan and as a.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Critic for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, do you feel like so you were kind of
like listening to your own ship but trying to put
different different glasses. Yeah, yep, so you kind of see
your shit through different.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
See it through different perspectives because obviously I'm I'm biased.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I think my ship is the greatest because I'm the
person that made it, So as an artist, you're supposed
to feel like that. But also I try to listen
to you know, I hear a lot of outside input
where people are like saying like, oh, I feel like
this about it, So I try to listen for what
they're hearing also listen to it like Okay, like how
can I improve this, or like what do I do
to make myself stand out a little bit more? Or

(20:06):
how do I approach this with a new way of
lyricism or like new way of how I write my lyrics.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, I feel like there's like a gift in the
curse with that, because it's a slippery slope, because it's
like you want to be true to yourself and not
let too much outside criticism for sure. Yeah yeah, but
also like you know, evolve.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Of course, I think for me, it's really just like
you got to evolve and you got to adapt. And
I feel like, you know, if you got everybody telling
you you good or like, you know, yes to ideas,
you kind of going just end up doing the same shit.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I feel like, like, how do you push yourself exactly.
I think about like Mac Miller and like how every
album is.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
So different, so different, or I look at it like
you know, Kan Kanye, you know guy Kid Cuddy, Like
every project is different, Tyler, The projects are different, and
every project has its esthetic and theme sometimes it's own character.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
That's something I really do subscribe to.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
So talk about just, you know, for for people who
don't know the significance of your album cover and that door,
I know you have the address tattooed on you rightest,
yet for people who haven't seen you, talk about it.
What is the significance of the album cover and just
break that down for everybody.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
So uh so with the door on the album cover
is a we got a replica made of my childhood
like home door back in Brooklyn five ninety Osborne Street
shot out Brownsville. You know, yeah, but we we got
a replicab that door made. And for me, it's important

(21:45):
for me to include something like that on what I
call my debut album because I feel like your debut
album is supposed it's supposed to establish a few things,
supposed to establish who you are, where you from, and
and like just the foundation for the rest your career,
and for me it was very it was very very
important for me to like say, hey, although I am

(22:06):
associated as an Atlanta artist, I am originally a Brooklyn
part like I'm a kid from Brooklyn, so I want
to be established as hey, I am.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
A Brooklyn rapper.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Why I do maintain this Atlanta atmosphere of tumors. My
story started here, So I want to include something that
that shows that for me, that was that door, that
building my aunt. When my aunt moved to New York,
she bought that building. That was the building that me
and my family was raised in. So it's important for
me to include something like that because like, one day

(22:36):
I want to buy that building.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah you know what I'm.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Saying, and yeah, and you know, on some like real
corny fucking shit, we cracked the door up and they say, oh,
we're welcoming you into the story.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's like your origin story. It is like number one.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Exactly, No, it is. It's my superhero origin story. It's
my amazing Fantasy fifteen. So it's like that is where
things start for me, is where I belie leave things.
It's the foundation for things going forward. You know, if
it's a bed, this is why I laid my sheets
and my covers and my pillows.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I'm making my bed. And this is the first step.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
To for people who don't know, Brownsville is one of
the areas in Brooklyn that it still hasn't been all
the way gentrified.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
It hasn't, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
When I grew up, I would hear about it through
Little Fame, Billy Dance and those guys. But what is
how long did you live there?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Back and forth my entire life.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
So I moved after middle school middle school, so I
went to this place called FDA eight that was in
East New York, which is neighboring cities. But and then
I moved to Atlanta. And when I moved to Atlanta,
I will spend summers back in Brooklyn.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So, so like Brooklyn was very much a part of
your DNA in terms of just your like growing up.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Absolutely, Yeah, because I feel like if that makes a
lot more sense hearing.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
You, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's my foundation. It gave me
I feel like I can be an independent person. I
think that's, you know, due to be like growing up
an only child. While I do have siblings, I grew
up only child. I think it's due to that, but
also like just growing up in that environment. I never
took a school bus until I moved to Atlanta, you know,
so I had to either walk to school or take
the city bus or to train or you know, and

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you kind of developed that that own independence. You have
to go to the store and get your own food sometimes,
you know, like stuff like that. So yeah, it gave
me the foundation to be the man niny.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I always say kids who grew up in New York,
they're like they have like a whole nother level of
independence that they don't even realize that they lived with.
Yeah I didn't.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I didn't.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I didn't realize that until until I was in Atlanta,
and I was like, damn, Like I kind of right in.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Like Atlanta or l A low key shelter. Yeah, you
got to be walking down the street amongst like of
strangers every Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But I wouldn't even say sheltered. I think it's just
like the because I don't I know people from l A.
I know people from Atlanta. That's not sheltered per se.
But it's just the the experience growing up. It's just different.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You could get in your car with your parents and
go to school and get picked up and go home
and then not really have interactions with many people outside
of your circle in New York. That's like impossible.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
No, you can't.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
You can't go about in New York without just seeing
seeing some wild shit or rubbing shoulders with a million strangers.
Even if you stay in your neighborhood, there's like there's
always something someone knew, someone something to see, this culture
being displayed, you know what I'm saying. I grew up
with a lot of like, uh, Guyanese people, Jamaican people,

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and Puerto Rican people, so it was just so much
to soak in growing up, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Uh So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Talk to me. You obviously announced your your how many
how many shows you doing? Six? Six?

Speaker 1 (25:46):
So I like to say seven because I like to
include the Atlanta show because that was the album really
show and I feel like that kind of like spearheaded it.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But yeah, six. So tonight we're doing LA and.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, Providence that was already it happened.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah, it's already happened tonight. It's the last one technically.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
But not really.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
So we're actually, uh, we had to postpone the DC
show due to the weather. Because it was like snowing
or whatever. So d C has now been moved to
March twenty six. Get your tickets kids, and.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, how is Providence because I used to DJ
in Providence a lot. There's a one of my homies
is a legend out there, so I would be out
there a lot.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Really, it was Providences. Dope, properdence was dope, beautiful women
out there. That's that's the Cape Verdians be outside.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
We were just talking about that, remember the first time
in Rhode Island. Looked at my boy. I'm like, yeah,
what's all this? Like, you know Ambrose. Yeah, she's half
of one of them. Oh word, oh that's crazy. She's
half Cape verdie Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Everyone was telling me like, oh man, the Cape Verdiano.
And I'm like, man, did.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
They try to force you to go to their Uh?
They have a place out there called the New York
Systems where they have these things called hot means.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
We try to get that ship. Uh it was it
was on Dyke Street. Yeah, we tried that.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We try to. It's so crazy because they'll tell you like, yo,
you got to go get a hot winterer from New
York Systems and it was right behind the venue we
was at. Yeah, we ended up at because they didn't
have it's just chili dogs bro like.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Because they had uh yeah, because that's all they had
in there.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
We was like, bro, we don't want to know Glizzies.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Bro. Yeah, that's it's literally like the Glizzy style. And
they got good Italian food because there's all Mafia ship
in Providence.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Were okay, we have some good Italian food out in Boston.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Boston is the best Boston has. I swear to god,
Boston has the best Italian food.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
And that's what a lot of people say.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Say, but I'll take it over New York.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
That's what a lot of people say though.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And then they got those all night bakeries that are
open in that same little area, went to like little.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yeah, we got a little canola or something. It was good.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
What like what Obviously you guys picked those dates strategically.
You must have something going in like the England area
where you can see the analytics.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, so I know, Hogo's my most stream city. Boston
is up there. Obviously New York is up there.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
We had a we had a couple like just uh
some motion going on in uh Rhode Island and Boston
that we wanted to take advantage of.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
For yeah, I'm sure, like that's the plus about being
able to just look at your back end as an
independent artist. You gonna be like, all right, I think
we could do this year this year to this year
and try and try. You know.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
This is also like I'm also rebuilding my uh like
ticket history too, you know, so I'm kind of starting
from the ground up again because I took such a
long time off between projects, so I didn't perform much
in between in the between times. So we're rebuilding it
if you will.

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If you have Spider Man as you are, like, you know,
your your favorite comic book, Who's who rounds out? You're
starting five? Okay, so you see your Marvel Image or
dark Horse.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
So I'm gonna go Spider Man, Batman Flash. I'll say
spider Man Man Flash, I'll go Wolverine, and I'll add
I'll add Invincible. Oh I love that, man, I've read
that comic three times over. That shit is I love it.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I had never heard of this prior to the Amazon show. Yeah,
but that Amazon show, it's amazing you. So you don't know,
you don't know anything. You season that motherfucker Dad is crazy. Yo.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Alright, so season four is about to drop. I don't
know if you tune into season two or three.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Dude. I only watched season one and then there was
like the little in between or things that they tried
to drop it to Adam Eve Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
and I just didn't get into it. But season one.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Give it a go.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Finish it out because I promise you the way season
three ends, you go and look back and season want
to be like, damn, that was child's play.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
His Pops is great. Pops is like a million I can't.
I don't want to spoil nothing for you. Give it
a go because season four about to come out in
like two weeks. Do you like the Boys? I love
the Boys? Yeah, I just I just watched the finale trailer.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I just oh yeah, the trailer just came out. I
think today, yeah, today. Yeah, it's Homelander like in the top.
I feel like he's somehow but with today's like political climate.
He feels somehow tied.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
To like yeah, yeah, he feels like he's a little
on the nose. Yeah, sad tire, But yeah, Homeland is great.
Homeland is great. He's a big baby, but that's I mean,
that's part of it. I like Homelander.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
He's a great villain.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I like a bad villain for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
C W shows Flash or Arrow, Oh damn, that's a
good one. Small Ville, small vill Smallville.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
But I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Flash. I enjoyed
Flashed more than Arrow.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But the first part of Flash yeah, three.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, after three just dropped off.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
If it came like Yo, what do how many fucking
times are we gonna do it? Yeah? It's like it's
like the Walking Dead of comic book shows. Yeah, man,
you're like, Yo, how many times are these guys gonna
get split up? Into? Fun?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Fact walk Walking Dead is a comic book show. It's
made by the same dude that made Inviscible yeeah.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
But with the Flash, bro, I kind of got annoyed
with it because it's like, you're not the Flashbury, we
are all the Flash. That shit pissed me off, and like, yeah,
after season three.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I fell off it.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, man, And then you want to like, DC fucking
fumbled the whole Flash movie opportunity because that ship that
show was white hot, and they would have did the
movie the right way. That ship would have been cracking.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, And they kept putting off that movie too. They
canceled it twice.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
And then the bro was like kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
It was throw Asra Miller he was he.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Well, they figured out a way to correct the ship.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Me too, me too. I like what James Gunn is doing.
I like Peacemaker.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I like, uh, well, this isn't I like the Superman.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Superman was great. I'm excited for Supergirl. Jason won Moore's Lebo.
I think that's the perfect casting. I think that's a
much better cast than Aquaman.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Someone told me that James gun is very very good
at using animals to tug it every heart string. Yes,
because I was thinking about Rocket Rocket because like Guardians three,
Oh my god, oh yeah yeah mm hmm, and then
Eagle Eagerly, and then super.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Dog the super Dog, and then uh in Suicide Squad
the second one.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He had the weasel yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
King Shark, Like he's really good with the animal thing.
I don't know he he likes he likes animals.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
You when you prepare for this, because this is on
the radar freestyle that happened. This cipher was super dope man.
Shout out to Gabe for putting it together. I thought
everybody showed up and really did understood the assignment. What
kind of preparation did you have going into that? Did
you know who you were going to be rapping with? Like, yes, so.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
We prepare like because we knew about it, and he
hit us in maybe like November October November, like y'all
want to do this, but we didn't get to beat
until like maybe a couple of weeks before.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Now we got to beat like like three weeks before.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
And yeah, I definitely like, like I knew who I
was rapping against. I'm I'm in a that with like
most of the guys that I was rapping against, right,
not against rapping with, And uh, like I knew Ray
was going to be there, raise the homie me and
Ray being locked in for a minute.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I knew Ray was going to be there.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Some of the other people like Luisi and Marlin, I
think I think they were added towards the end. Some
people were like supposed to be there and it didn't
work out.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
But uh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Once once I kind of knew who was all going
to be there, I'm like, okay, I know, I kind
of gotta go.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
You gotta come with it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I already was going to do that anyway with it,
like with the people I was already privy to. But
once we got the final list, like like someone someone
like Nassign, the sign is crazy, So I'm like, okay,
like I wanted.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
That sounds good.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, he's really really good with that.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So it's like I want to like make sure that
I'm able to like stand out or stand next to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Sure, is there anybody who's like the post DMD you
just that you've kind of found out is like aware
of what you're doing or a fan of what you're doing.
It's kind of tripped you out recently?

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Hmmmm who tripped me out recently?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Two people?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Well, Anthony Fantanna. I really like the Needle Drop of course. Yeah,
that that was a big one for me and Game
Game Game.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, Game Game.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Showed me a lot of love. We did some stuff together.
I don't know if it's gonna come.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
Out or not.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
But white ceiling, red Rose, white ceiling.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, game was one of the ones too, and there's
somebody else and it's just escaping my mind right now.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
But I was did Fantano review Decipher, Cipher review Decipher.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And then he was like, y'all want to like check
into your stuff, and he's been showing love.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
So yeah, I feel like he you know, I feel
like I've seen people give him some ship for other stuff,
but yeah, he's he at least approaches his reviews from
like a fans perspective and it doesn't feel like a hater. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
No, I think I value his opinion because I like
the way he breaks down to criticize his albums.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Even if his albums I like it, and I'd be like.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah, sometimes he's sometimes I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Agree with this, Yeah, a lot of times I don't agree,
but I understand where he comes from when he like
reviews stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I think it's important too because he explains his perspective
as opposed to like Open and Pitchfork and you're like
this guy, like I think Ja Cole's album got like
a five yea, And I'm like, how, but I love
the Cold album. There's I don't know if you fucked
with it. But I think I don't understand what this
just automatic hate for J Cole. Yeah, I don't like,

(36:32):
I don't get it. I don't like that I had
I was.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I think Cold's album is amazing, but I definitely had
a different expectation for it. But you know, once I
listened to it one and realize, like, this is exactly
what he wanted the fall Off to be. I thought
the fall Off was gonna be something different from like
just the years of hype. But once I like really
really took some time and sat with it, I'm like, no,
this is like how it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm sure evolved too, Yeah, for sure, because it went
from like I'm sure it wasn't always going to be
a double disk.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah you could tell, Yeah, I feel like you could
tell that. But I think I think it's a great album,
and I think I think even with the criticisms, it
is like Cole's. If someone says it's not a great album,
Cole's not great album would be most people's.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Best in my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
So yeah, no, I think that if we think about
like Kendrick's discography or even Outcast discography, it's like, Yo,
the worst Outcast album is still one of the.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Best, exactly exactly, That's exactly how I feel.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
That's exactly how I feel.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So yeah, you know, but people, you know and people
people for some reason got real, real bad hate.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Towards Cole because I don't understand the battle situation. I mean,
you know what, dude, I think that that decision has
aged gracefully. Uh yeah, yeah, because it was really between
them two bruhs.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
You could tell.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
I could tell it was really a it's always been
between them too.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And you could tell, you know, you could tell Cole
being included in Kendrick's shots at Drake was like more
of a.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Like I don't even well now he had a lot
had a line, Uh did he say something on on
First Person Shooter?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
He said, if you walk around with that stick he
and andre Th K Cole got the stick song. There
was a couple of lines where it's like, Okay, that's
that's that's for Cold. But I think it was more
so like you just standing by him. I want him,
but you saying like, at.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
The same time, you're on tour headlining with Cold, headlining
with Drake, standing with him.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Like you kind of gotta get it just because you
buy him.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I think like I'm glad eventually everyone just got
out of the way, because initially it was like it
did feel like it was too much hip hop civil war.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It was too much bro. It was like it was.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Frick Ross has a song and the weekend was taking
shots off the toy one on the Future album.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Rather than rocky like, and it was fun. It was
all fun, but it was like bro, like I want
I'm here for the main event.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah. I thought the best bars Drake had the whole
beef were actually towards a sad probably and not Kendrick. Yeah,
because I knew all the Kendrick shit was just like
your short.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, for sure, I will say I will say because
I've gotten killed on Twitter, but I will say on
family matters minus like a few lines because I me
personally like all is fair in love and war. But
when y'all start throwing allegate they both threw allegations at
each other, and.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
It was kind of like I like, I remember, Yeah,
it was that night DJ had called me and right
after it dropped and we were like, oh, he ain't
got nothing. Yeah. Yeah, I heard a lot of people
say that. I heard fifteen minutes later, Meet the grand
I called him like, are you fucking kidding me? This?
What's going on? Right? Yo? That ship was wild. It

(39:36):
was one of the best nights ever.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
That was That was that whole weekend, that whole weekend.
It was back to back to back to back to back. Yeah,
all that shit was crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I will say I listened to Family Matters recently, and
as it does, it's hard. It has aged better than
I remember.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
It's hard. I like the last part, the last kinstrick
is over there. So that last part was he start
he had I think Kendrick whooped his ass. But and
Family Matters Drake had the best Mike Jack Prince scheme right. Yeah,
I thought that that part no, no time to make
a new ficture of a change, get on.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
That part was hard. That was hard. I'll say this.
I'll say that.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Hip hop one, hip hop one for sure for sure.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Now I say that to say that Drake didn't win,
but hip hop no, No.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
But once I feel like, you know, once people are
really like digging into lyrics the way that they are now.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, watching like a bunch of dudes do YouTube breakdowns
on raps? That were like, never they don't even give
a fuck about hip hop exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, that's like once we're at that point where people
are like dissecting the.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Smallest bar where it's like that's probably not even about
who's who is about.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think hip hop is winning because people are actually
paying attention to what's being said.

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a lot of people who are dye Herd Drake fans,
but that's the only rap thing listen to.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, yeah, I feel like that about a lot of
Drake fans.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
And so like a lot of those louder voices were
amplified during this beef and then like I feel like
Drake just kind of got kind of boxed into like
these brothers over here.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah. Yeah, that's unfortunately because Drake is really like though,
like and he was the same. That's that's what that's
my favorite Drake Abum.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
He's a real he's a real hip hop head, like
you know, he came up with like like being a
fan of little Brother and doing something and you know,
Joe Budden all that, Like, I just think I also
think he leaned into that a little bit for sure,
because he kind of leaned into who was fucking with him.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Yeah, you kind of like you know, when you in
a in a battle space, in the headspace of like
I'm at like I'm figuratively at war, you kind of
you kind of do have to choose who you align with.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I think that there was some mis miscalculations. I
hope even just the name Iceman for an album.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
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old deal.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
We should hit the rebrand the album. I'm excited for it, though.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I hope it's good. I hope it's good.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I'm excited for it because, like, so much about this
battle reminds me of NAS and jay Z, and I'm
interested to see what if he's going to do his
own blueprint too.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I feel like, Yo, by the way, that's one of
the most slept on jay Z songs. That's what I'm
saying that that just blaze beat is crazy. Yeah, like
h O b A. Yeah, but yeah, I think he's
I think he's already done his version of that with
the fighting Irish freestyle or yes, yes, and it feels

(43:52):
like he hasn't let go. He hasn't let go.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
But I'm I'm I'm just excited because like that hasn't
been like formally put out, So I'm excited to hear
like how he really like like we got Kendricks, you know,
on whack out, whacked out murals, So I'm interested to
see how he approaches, like, Hey, this is.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Why I want to know what the out, what the
intro is gonna sound like.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I think the intro is gonna be the most important
song on that.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I agree, that's gonna be the first impression everybody has.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That and I think that's where he's probably gonna unload
how he's feeling.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
I'm looking forward to it. Me too, Me too, I
will listen to it. Yeah, the Drake fans are I
am known as a very heavy Drake critiquer.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah yeah, I mean, no one's above criticism.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So for sure all time great rapper, Yeah for sure,
top ten for sure, one of my one of my
favorite rappers of all time above Wayne. No, really, I don't
put Drake above waen.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I got to man, I just can't. I just I
just feel like and listen, man, I am. I am
what they would call on the six side of the
Internet at a drag hater. Okay, yeah, I gotta put
Drake above Wayne.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah. Wow, I can't do it. I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I feel like his discography washes Wayne's.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I can't do I don't know if I could do it.
Carter Too is my favorite Wayne album.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think the I mean, I think Carter two is
the best Wayne album, but my favorites the first Carter
because it had they had like B M. Junior and
and fucking I miss my dogs.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
I miss those amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
But Carter three, man, it holds up. It's hits now.
I'll say this about Wayne, and I say this a
lot because I do love Little Wayne, not as much
as this guy. But I think No Ceilings, which was
two thousand and nine, was the last time we really

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have like prime way prime Wayne, because I think Carter
four had strong singles. It did, but I think as
a body of work it fell short for me valid
and I think after that we got like the weird,
like I'm not a human being Revolver.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
I like some of those though some of those have
like good songs like Bump Blowing and.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
There are some great singles. But I just think like
in terms of like me just pressing play and being like, damn,
little Wayne is Yeah, I feel like no Ceilings is
the last time that we were able to kind of say.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Oh, sorry for the weight, sorry for the weight. One
was great to me.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah, Roland he had the Tupac bag, he had a
damn what was the other one he's had.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
I mean, listen, he's had incredible features and records, and
I just mean, like, like front Top, I just feelings
was crazy.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, yeah, I ain't at at that. I ain't at
at that.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
I do think there was definitely a point where I
fell out of love with Wayne, but like not in
the sense of like a love Russell, but like but
like like where I was like, okay, like Wayne was
all I listened to at one point, so like and
then once he kind of started to get into that space,
I kind of like, do.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
You think album per album, Wayne's discography is better than Drake's.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
You can't say that, right, I think I can say that,
but but yeah I might, I might.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
I might be able to say.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
That because I even think like a whack Drake album, Like,
what would you consider like a Drake's worst.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Album, Drake's worst album, let's say for the dogs.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I don'tkay, I don't think that albums.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It wasn't a great album. There's some shit on that.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
It's some shit on it.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
I didn't think like Certified lover Boy, like a lot
of people didn't like it at first, but.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
I didn't like this aged well, yeah I didn't. I
didn't like Stif I Love a Boy much either. But
there's like a track run between like TSU and into
Deep and pipe down, Like there's joints on there where
I'm like, yeah, na cold.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
And I think her I mean, her loss was great.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I love her love her loss was soked. I absolutely
love that album. Oh honestly, never Mind, I'll say that honestly,
never Mind was very I love house music, but I
didn't It.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Wasn't a champion. Jimmy Crooks was Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Cooks was Jimmy Cooks was fire, Sticky was fire, Steiky
was dope, Sticky was dope.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I gotta give I gotta give
the nod to Drake man, all right, I got I
don't fight you on it. I got a little waite
about eighteenth all time. Really yeah, I think I think.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I think for me it's my age because I WANs
in my top five top t so I'm thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I'm thirty.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I respect you for saying yeah, top ten. Yeah, I
think top ten is about as good as it gets.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
From for me.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
For me, my top five is like Jay z uh
Nas Biggie most three stacks. I'll go Kendrick Cole, I'll
go Wayne, I'll put I'll put Wayne over, I put
push your.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
T over Wayne. See, but that's just that's just nasty
because like.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
You know, you know the history. That's crazy. Uh No.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
I mean I love Push two though I love too,
I love pushing a lot people pushing one of my
favorite rappers too.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
I put, I think you gotta put. This is gonna
sound crazy. You gotta put ice Cube above Wayne.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I wouldn't be mad at someone who did.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I don't I put common Wayne.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
You West Coast too common. I don't know if I
put them above Wayne, but b I knew b By
heart in middle school.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I put big Boy above Little Wayne. Okay, we got
to stop the big boy dish. We can't. We can't
split them up.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
You just can't split them up. You know, I feel
you with that.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
I put DMX above Little Wayne.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I got Little Wayne like nineteen I mean Wayne.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, for sure. Did I leave out Tupac?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I think I did?

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah, Tupac too, But I mean there's so many like.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Just I want to know to give you the crazy
hot take, that's not that crazy for people who know me.
Freddy Gibbs is better than Lil Wayne. He has a
better biography.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
I'm not rocket. I love Gibbs too.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Better discography, better rapper. I think a wrap circles around
Little Wayne.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Emotionally. Wayne just does so much for me.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I'm nostalgically, I gues, yeah, he just he means so
Black Thought is a better rapper than Litla Wayne.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
I'm not mad at that.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
And the Roots discography is better than Lil Wayne's discography.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. Like,
I won't fight you on that.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
What about Kanye Kanye conversation gets interesting because we know
he hasn't written a lot of his own stuff, but
he has written a lot of his own stuff. Yeah yes,
But as an artist, I mean that he's top tier.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah yeah, I mean Kanye Kanye but has some of
the best, has probably the best.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
I think he is probably my favorite artist of all time,
but I couldn't be as my favorite rapper of all times,
like the best. I think Hove is the one like that.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I think, Yeah, I think Wayne. I mean, I think
jay Z is definitely like one.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
To me. Jy is like the one guy who, even
if you don't agree with it, you can't really argue.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Again Yeah yeah, because like all across the board, whether
it's lyricism or or even sales, you can't really.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
And then I got Nas right there.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah that's cool. My middle name is Nas, like I
love Nas.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
And then number three it's Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I'm not mad at that. I mean, I'm not mad
at that he.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Took Drake's head out. I'm not put it on a
spike in front of his house and content. I'm not
mad at that at all.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Like I said, Kendricks in my Top five tens.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
I've been saying this, I've been saying, like, you know,
a lot of people, a lot of people in my
generation to put Biggie in their top two three one
off of two albums. Yeah, Kendricks, Kendricks, we want to
talk about the best discographies.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
And he's checked every box. Yes, lyrically he is.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
I think, Yeah, I think. I think what he's done
is unprecedented.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
He's dropped bangers, bangers, He's dropped he's on the beat.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
He's one of the beat hip hop history.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
He's dropped bangers, he's.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Dropped the awards, got the classics.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
He's dropped like cultural movements as songs. Yeah, what else
do you need? Yeah? Yeah, for sure. I mean, you're
not wrong, You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I think if they're now let me know if you
think this is crazy. If there were to be an
argument against jay Z that most people couldn't argue against,
if you were to just lay everything out, how do
you feel separate? I think Kendrick has the best argument
against Hope.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
You you want to know what my pushback on that is?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Material?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I think I think Kendrick's material is like obviously, but
I think more. I need more volume for me to
say that Hope has fourteen albums.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Not all of them are good, Not all of them
are good, most of them. Listen, he could have keep that,
could have kept Magna Carter could have kept that. Listen.
I'm going to give him a past because I love
the Volume one. I love Volume one. It aged gracefully.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I I bump Volume one every day, like not every day,
but like once a week for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
What But but my thing is is if we talk
about the span, like James first album is ninety six, right,
so it's like we're in two that.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Was thirty thirty years ago. It's the it's the anniversary year.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Of Kendricks first album was twenty twelve. Yes, So if
you're looking at just timeline, I.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Mean yeah, like I mean, don't get me wrong, He's
what the most of what a rapper is.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Also, Blueprint three wasn't great, but it wasn't it wasn't
It did have Empire state of mind on it. His
biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
He had run this town. Run This town was great.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Run this town was great. But as as a project.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
It doesn't amount to Blue Blueprint too though. Two point
some of the best ship two.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Points like to Meet the Parents, Yeah, okay, one of
the greatest stories telling songs of all time.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Okay, yeah, But like forty four incredible. Four to forty
four is amazing, American Gangsters fire.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
What's your favorite jay Z album?

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Blueprint?

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Okay, Blueprint right now like in my in my space
currently though Volume one has been like the one I've
been playing the most. But yeah, but Blueprint is my
number one like jay Z album, I think I think
it's like just so polished.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I got reasonable doubt and then depending on the day,
black album or Blueprint, black album is crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, you argue to me, you arguing,
You argue in one A, one B, one C. You
can rotate it cold rotate because I think Black album
is perfect too.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah. What about what is your like, your favorite album
of all time? Album of all time?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Did you do?

Speaker 3 (53:41):
What's my favorite album of all time? I know, damn?
What is my favorite album all time? I put a,
I put a.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
That's a good question. You just thump me. I'd actually,
you know what, I'd actually go to Butterfly. Ah yeah, yeah,
I'll go to Butterfly.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Put another check in Kendrick as the Goats for so
I would say Butterfly.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
That's an album that like I think, I think, like
I can't just listen to one song, I would have
to listen to the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It's so crazy about that album too, because like, uh,
it's it was so good when it came out, but
it was so different than like why people it was
like for some fans it was just too much, but
it just aged so well. Yeah, yeah, not.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Super relevant, like when the protests happened, Like I'm out,
like because I've been several protests and like we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Be all right?

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Is the is the the energy out there? People are
chanting that tears in their eyes, tear gas. You know
that that album is important.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
For Do you feel like, because I feel like we're
in this interesting social space, we've been in it for
a while, But do you feel like any sort of
inclination or responsibility to be more socially pointed.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
In your music?

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah? If not in my music as a person. And
like if i'm speaking, you know what I'm saying, Like
hip hop is inherently political, and I feel like in
this day and age was so much of politics being.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Like the landscape is just fucked right now, super Fight.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Before the cameras cut on, we were talking about you
like this war is so it's like I feel like
it's extremely important, especially as hip hop artists, to really
like actually like speak to that.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
That's that's what this ship was built upon.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, I feel like, you know, I always say this.
I'm like, man, you know, when I was growing up,
we had like obviously like Public Enemy and ice Cream
super political and there's a guy named a Mortal Technique.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I attach was hell Ya.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
So I'm always like, I'm like, yeo, who's from this
younger generation that's going like Big Manson is doing.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
A really good Jack Manson is really good.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
BIG's kind of damn near o G.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Now, yeah, Vic's been in it for a while.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Chances a lot of them Chicago boys really like they
really really because like even like disabas and like like
femp dots, like Chicago is very very like politic forward,
if you will. But there's a lot of you know,
a lot of cast that's really really like even in
like uh my atmosphere or like slightly above like someone

(56:33):
like a Mavi, Yeah he's super he's super political as well.
Like I feel like it's I don't know, I just
I think it's extremely important to really really stand on
like your morals and your beliefs, especially as an artist.
You gotta let that you speak, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
So your album is out, it's called Save the Vinyls out.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Yet not yet, we're working on the vinyl And.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Then there's this super project coming out that you and
a bunch of other rappers steriously. I don't know, we'll
see what we'll see, Ben Riley, Jeremy heck snitched on y'all. Jeremy,
What a heck of a guy. What a heck of
a guy. So, yeah, man, you got a lot. Obviously,
this year is going to be super busy for you.

(57:15):
Are you jumping on any one else's tour this year? Possibly?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
We're still working that out.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, so this run of dates might not be the
last time to see you on the road in twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I will hope not. Yeah, we'll see, Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
And then I'm assuming. I mean, you gotta have some
music coming this year outside of the supergroup.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about, but yeah,
the goal is to have some some more, some more,
a lot of dope stuff drop before the years.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Of Sure there it is, man, Ben Riley. We're gonna
have you do a freestyle too, which will come out
on a later date okay, but I appreciate you for
pulling up Man. The albums incredible.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
You are a bright light amongst this new generation of
bullshit that's been coming.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yes, sir, appreciate you. Man. There it is. Hey, we
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