#641 - Shyne Talks Music Comeback, Convos With Hov, Working With Dr. Dre, Leading the Opposition in Belize

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
Bootleg keV show Man. We got a special guest in here.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Sean motherfucking Poe that's right in the building from Belize. Yes, sir, man,
fresh off the plane, Fresh off the plane, man, Buck flight. Yeah,
it's good to see you. Man. How's first of all,
we're talking about this little bit. You're obviously kind of
it's been twenty five years since you got convicted.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well, no, it's it's well, we're in March, right, Yeah,
you're right, you're right. Yeah, yeah, it's not an anniversary
I can to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Right, But I mean, really, twenty five years since kind
of your entire career and we began to know you,
you know, with the debut album.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Well, yeah, twenty five years since the Shan album came
out self titled Debut twenty six. We were just talking
off about the time period between March sixteenth, two thousand
and one, when I was you know, oh so yeah,
wrongfully convicted, held in captivity, how I literally had the

(01:46):
album dropped September twenty sixth, two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
So coming up in September, it's twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
No, no, no, we're in the twenty five years. Oh yeah,
we're in twenty twenty six. I keep thinking, yeah, but
I'm celebrating until we get to September twenty six, twenty six,
which is coming out. That's a good number six, twenty six. Well,
here we were talking about how in you know, September

(02:12):
twenty sixth, twenty thousand, two, Guys, yeah, you had two thousand.
I'm sorry you had October, November, December, January. I was
picking the jury February. I was on trial. In March sixteenth,
two thousand and one. I was wrongfully convicted. So I

(02:35):
never got a chance to come here. I never got
a chance to perform, which is crazy day, which I'm
looking forward to because you know, we launching the world
tour may Tewid King standa Brooklyn, New York, where I
was born. I literally was born blocks were not born.
I was born in Belize, but we had my hip

(02:55):
hop career was born. Yeah. I came to America when
I was eight years old, but where I grew up,
literally the kingstad is blocks away. So yeah, I look
forward to performing here in La uh in a few months.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Talk to me man, because you obviously you've had such
an interesting journey. You know, we'll get to what ended up,
what happened that made you go sit down, but even
just the idea of like being someone incarcerated and still
captivating old hip hop media at the time. We talked
about how he was on the cover of three of

(03:31):
these things while he was locked up.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
The Vibe magazine and I was on I was not
just on the Vibe magazine.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It was on the Source three double XL hold on,
I was.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
On the Juice cover of the Vibe magazine. Now, let
me tell you who were on the Juice cover. A
gentleman by the name of uh Barack Obama, a gentleman
by the name of Michael Jackson Crazy, and a gentleman
by the name of Tupac Crazy. And another gentleman by
the name of Notrri's b I G. I think they

(04:02):
in different years. Yeah, they did the Juice cover, which
is the biggest cover. So definitely, I was a mythical creature.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah, you had this mythical allure while you were incarcerated
in it. And you know, I even remember the bidding
war that was talked about while in so you were
in jail because I think your deal with bad Boy
was up in like.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Two Well, no, sure that I felt, man, you know,
of course, it took my life, took my life, you know, I.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Mean, and I remember there was like a point in
time where there was a lot of rumors that maybe
You're gonna go murder inc or you were gonna go.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, God, bless God, bless irv Gotti and Sol rest
in peace. They definitely came through to Rykers Allen when
I was down there fighting my pill. I got to
give you know, credit to fifty cent as well. He
reached out. He was trying to do the g anything

(05:00):
him and Shaw Money XL, So he definitely wanted to
sign me. Doctor Dre, Doctor Math approached me to do
a record with a young gentleman by the name of
the Game for the documentary album. But then my guy,
who's a big time Hollywood execu out here now Imani Helly.

(05:22):
At the time he was in the music he was
managing a young California a union by the name of
Keisha Cole Okay right from the Bay right, And I
had to make a choice between Dre and my child friend,
and so I had to go with Manny, right, I
had to. I had to go with my friend. But
everybody Jay jay Z pulled up to Rykers Allen and

(05:44):
the mayback, everybody wanted to sign.

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jay Z comes and sees you and and I mean,
obviously this is jay Z early two thousands.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
He's still Hove, right, but he's over.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
But but you know, twenty twenty six, we look at
jay Z like he's this mythical figure that he's like,
but you know, he was signing people.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
He was he was always he was always a mythical.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm curious, what's the what's the visit.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I'm not going to hold you. He was always a
mythical creature from five to sixty State Street, like Hove's
always hole. Obviously he's billionaire Hove now and he's he's inactive,
although I saw some some rumors saying that he's working
on I just saw this too.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, I think it's about time. It's good a minute.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I mean, you know, I love the way I announced
my album. Was just talking to Cam Killer Cam and
Mace Murder. Mace. He was just on the phone because
you know Mace, that's my guy. You know, we came
up together. He was uh, he was it was the shack.
He was the shack. He was the shack. Yeah, and

(08:17):
I was the Kobe that just came to the team.
But we were just talking. And you know when I did,
I talked to Cam. We had done some media back
in September because I had just gotten you know, my
work papers, so I couldn't, you know, start the tours,
start anything. But I came on the day the album

(08:38):
was released just to make the announcement that it's coming,
the tours coming, the albums are coming. So just for
the record, I was there September twenty sixth visualizing the
new albums which is coming end of the year. Right
the lineup, I can imagine the lineup. I mean, I
just got off the phone. My little brother, hit Boy

(09:00):
shot to hit Man, you're in l A. I just
got off the phone. I've been trying to catch up
with him. But you know how it is, numbers changed.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Everybody needs you to drag just blaze from wherever he is.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You know I was thinking about just what is just?
I have no idea, but that's one of your favorite
songs right down. T is my favorite chine Yeah, yeah,
thank you man, thank you. My favorites too. Well. We
got to find out with Justice and I'm gonna put him.
I'm gonna put you on that. I'm gonna put I'm
gonna ask Lenny, Yes, I'm Lenny will probably be here
for now.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
I saw you talking that the new new project. You've
gotten some working with him? Right?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh my goodness, listen, man, I was, I was in Miami.
I just came from Miami. You know, I had to
plug Belieze, but I just came from Miami.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Man cooking?

Speaker 1 (09:50):
How many?

Speaker 3 (09:50):
How many songs you think it got done so far
for this project?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now? I got three albums, you got three. But the
way I make my albums is the music first. Yeah,
I don't I don't physically write rhymes. I create in
my in my mind. But I only create based on
the music.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
So you're gonna pull, you pull the music together for
each project and then and then I start recording.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
That makes sense right, So so yeah, so I got
my three albums worth for material. Yeah, pretty much I'm
closing out now, so I need that. I need that
a West Coast bounce, get it hit boy, right, I
need like d god bless you know, he's like in
the ether. So I got my best record so far

(10:40):
it is with him. But doctor, I got so many
crazy records.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
What is it like? Because for you man like.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
But let me tie tie that back into We asked
me what it was like when Hove came to see Yeah,
so all that I just explained to you is a
diamond that Hove gave me when he came to see
me on rykers Allen because he was also the president
of Death Jam at the time. So we were going
over the Godfather Buried Alive album, yes with death Jam,

(11:11):
so you know, he came to pay his respects as
a president and that what what was that conversation Like
that conversation was him telling me about him meeting with
Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones and them explaining to him
the process of thriller. And that's what that's the mentality

(11:36):
that he wanted me to apply to the upcoming projects.
Right after, you know, Godfather Baried Alive was done. I
believe he already released it. But moving forward. He was like, listen,
the process that Mike and Quincy gave me was that
every so they do beat It, then they do Billy Jeans,

(12:01):
then to be like, Okay, we gotta do Thriller. Then
we just every record had to be a record bigger,
better or competitive.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, like you're competing against yourself the last record.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, right, so it's like you're looking So it's like,
that's what I'm doing right now. Like the record. I
really got to thank Dre, you know him and his team.
I got Smitty.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Smitty's great writer too.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Smitty's incredible, and you know, just going to sit down
with Dre, there's so much for my mental space as
far as you know, you know what you have to offer,
you know what you came to do. But I literally
wrote this down a year ago. When I lost my
seat in the House of Representatives, I came up with

(12:48):
a plan. I said, well, listen, I had no idea
that would happen, but I said, what am I going
to do? And I said, you know what is my
twenty fifth anniversary coming up in September. I need a tour.
I had promised when I was in the House Representeds
when my documentary came out the Honorable Shine on Hulu.
Go see that if you haven't seen it. I had

(13:09):
promised the Honorable album, but I just couldn't do it
because I was gayer people serving my people right, and
I never want to. I never want to to short
or to to to disadvantage my supporters and give them less.

(13:32):
You want to serve.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
If who are elect you to do something, you gotta
give them.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
But then I'm talking about my audience. I'm talking about
my music, and the.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
People turn the music, because then you're gonna put out
some ship and people might be like.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
People, and the people of Beliefs come first. To this day,
they still come first. And all of these things you see,
I'm here, I'm talking everybody, visit Belize, this camera, that camera, Paradise.
Make sure you visit Belize. But so I couldn't create
greatness because I was so focused on creating solutions for

(14:09):
the people of believes But when I lost my seat,
I said, you know what.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I need to do to get to the curse.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
I need to do the honorable shit. I need to
tourist my twenty fifth anniversary. And I always said that
if I were to return to the stage, it would
have to be something special, like performing at the Grammys,
a getting some type of lifetime achievement award. Once more
special than twenty five years. Right, Not too many people
get to celebrate twenty five years. So I wrote down

(14:40):
back in March year ago. Actually actually gonna be two
days since I lost my seat, March twelfth, March tenth. Yeah,
it's gonna be a year. But I wrote down. I
wrote down doctor Dre, Timberland Swiss beats for I had
just blaze DJ Khaled, you got you got it?

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh man, that's man, that's that's also a hard thing
to do.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Listen, listen, I'm so, I'm so blessed. Yeah, I'm so blessed.
But but so I got in with with nine of
the people closing up with it. I need to see Alchemists.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You gotta get with Alchemists, no Id and Mustard and
and I'm done, you right, the gotta happen.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm done. Yeah, so uh, but but going to see Dre,
like I said, I never met Dre, but I just said, listen,
I'm getting on the plane. You know my god, Manny
I told you he's out here. Yeah, Hollywood, exec stay
at the crib. He got the studio in the in

(15:54):
the house, and I'm like, yo, I gotta give Big Boy.
That's my guy. You know. I went on on his
show and he was like, Yo, let's go to Snoop party.
That's where we met Smitty. So everything came together. Big
was hitting Dre like, Yo, Sean wanted to see you.

(16:14):
I never met him, but I had him number one
on my list for the Shane album and we met
first on some leader Leader the leader that was the
energy because you know, he's doing incredible things and Compton
and you know, building two hundred million dollar educational compounds,
and so he saw what I was doing and belize

(16:35):
and as a leader, he respected that and appreciated that.
Once we talked, he was like, let's go downstairs and
I could do I could listen. I picked because I
like to do ten song albums already, I picked by
ten joints with him. But you know, with him, it's
going to be a process for sure. So I got

(16:58):
the few joints that's gonna go this way, and then
you know, if we finish an entire project together. Yeah,
while you're just but just just sitting in the studio
listening to dre beats, coming up with rhythms and melodies
and you know, set offs and just knowing that you're

(17:19):
recording something for dre to hear. Really, you know Boostman
and Smitty. You know, Smitty's like the barber shop. He
gonna tell you, he gonna tell you if it ain't hitting,
he gonna tell you right if you know, you need
to tighten it up before you even get to the doctor.
And like I said, you know, then making my rounds,
going to Rez, you know, going to Timbo Swiss. It

(17:46):
really is a dream come true.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Do you feel like because obviously you get elected in
twenty twenty, right, and you know, I'm not sure how
active you've been in the studio.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Did it? Does it take a while? Meaning like, oh man, listen, listen.
You gotta remember when I was in the House of Representatives,
I was spitting bars. You listen to my speeches. I'm
speaking on behalf of the people. When you put speeches together,
you gotta have an intro, you gotta have a build up.
You gotta know there's an art to speech, and then

(18:20):
you got to have a close right, and then you
got to deliver that. You can't just write the speech
you have to you have to deliver that. And so yeah,
you can hear the baritone, you you can feel the
energy and uh yeah, just pass me the ball game
on the line.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Talk to me, man, because uh, you have to have
seen like there's the you always see so many I
mean there's been so many TV shows and move we
see the dark side of politics kind of brought to
life so much.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
For you.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Man. Was there a situation where you're going through throwing
your hat into the political ring where you realize, like, oh,
this is a dirty game because the politic game is
it's it might be more grammer than the rap game.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, it's definitely neck and neck.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
It's very cutthroat.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, I think it's worse than the music industry because
at least with the music industry there were certain unwritten rules,
right and you know, nineteen year old shining, twenty year
old shine back in that time. I don't know what
these young kids are doing. I don't encourage them to
do anything that is not law abiden, because it's not

(19:34):
worth it. I lost ten years in my life. I
was defending myself and you know, took the fall. However,
at least there are these rules where you know that
if you violate somebody, it's gonna end bad. In politics,

(19:54):
it's not the same rules at least, and belize because
they the way that they're moving, it's like they'll force you.
They'll force you to the limit. They'll force you to
jump out the window, no parachute, and just risk it
all because of the unethical, despicable, you know, behavior of

(20:17):
some of my political colleagues. Right, But I had to
make a choice and say, you know what, I'm not
going to do that to my democracy. We've had a
peaceful democracy thus far, despite the behavior of some of
my colleagues, and I'm not going to be the one
to turn Beliez's democracy upside down. I took my lick.

(20:38):
I learned. I know how to move smarter and sharper
and more efficient the next time around when elections are
called in a couple of years, And thank god, I
could go forward living my dream. Not too many people
could come to La and go to Dre's house, right,

(21:00):
not not too many people. I'm gonna go left right now,
my boy pooh Bed, I'm gonna go left right his birthday, birthday,
all right, No, No, I mean listen, my brother went
one of the best, right, just justin Bieber, one of
the greatest. Go so you know, because you know, I
need to talk to my lady friends, I need to

(21:22):
talk to the women everything Mane and shine exactly right.
So so so you know I'm gonna go see him
in a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So when you see him, he'll tell you. He'll hit
you with the happy birthday all right. Yeah, he tells
everyone happy birthday because he's like, hey, we.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Were supposed to get together in Miami, but he got
stuck in Paris. Great, I told him I was out here,
so yeah, man, like, like that is a that is
a blessing. I'm so fortunate and uh and yeah. So
I made the right choice by taking that ll politically,
not resorting to anything other because I'm in the courts
right now trying to get my damages back because they

(21:56):
defrauded me. So I lost millions of dollars belize and belieze. Yeah.
But but but I went to the courts. You know,
I got the lawyer I got. I gotta pay homage
to my lawyer. He's the principal of the Norman Manly
Law School in Jamaica. He took my case and he
fought for me. We were victorious, and so now it's
about getting damages because I lost millions of dollars. Well,

(22:20):
the the the people that try to overthrow me. What
they did is they created their own bootleg cave show.
And so they had somebody put on the Indian hat,
set the whole thing up and say, you know, well
we we the real bootleg cave. And so while we
had him in court, the judge didn't put a restraining

(22:43):
order on them and tell him, listen, you can't keep
saying that your bootleg calve right. But what he did
is he kicked them out of the building, told him that,
you know, they can't be in the building. It was
just that was fraud. That was fraud. That was by
them saying that, by her saying that she was the leader,
because you were the leader of the opposition, leader of
the opposition. But then we had another person saying that

(23:05):
she was the leader of the party and putting forward
candidates in the general election. So we had a duplicate slate.
We're splitting the vote, splitting the vote. Listen. In my mind,
they were probably being funded.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
By the other side.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Ah, you're a brilliant jennerer.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Because if you could split one side of the vote,
then you're gonna win every time, exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And so what happened is I got nine hundred and
odd votes in two thousand and twenty. We got the
same amount of votes in twenty twenty five. But the
person that duplicated that defrauded the people, he got the
majority of the nine hundred, exactly nine hundred what we

(23:45):
got in twenty twenty because people never voted any other
color but red in that constituency. Right. So yeah, but
like I said, so is worse than anything I've ever
been in. But the the reward as far as changing
people's lives, as far as when I made my first

(24:06):
two albums, I was a youth crying out to the
system to save me, to help me, to give me
an alternative. To be in a position of creating systems,
creating societies, creating economies, Yeah, creating opportunities for young shine
boy or girl. There's nothing more rewarding than that. And

(24:28):
so that's going to be a commitment I have for
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I always wonder you've been through so much. If you
could go back and give eighteen nineteen year old Shane
any any advice outside of maybe avoiding a certain night,
What advice would you give the guy who, uh you know,
who was who was rough around the edges, who came from.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
The So a little bit more humility, do more? Say less? Yeah,
a little bit more humility. Humility goes a long way.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Do you feel like.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
It's it's really hard to lose ten years of your
life and get on the other side of that and
and find like silver lining in that. But I imagine
you kind of have to to keep going right, like
you get on the other side of that, Like is
there is there silver lining? Obviously you were able to
help your people, You're still relevant, you're still here. But

(26:37):
you know, I can only imagine like the mental toll
sitting there being you know what is the silver lining?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I got I gotta tell you. I got to tell
you that I come from a country of resilience. Belieze
is a resilient country. From the moment we you know,
beat back the Spaniards when Spain was trying to settle
in Belize, from the moment you know, a gentleman by

(27:05):
the name of George Price, who was the first Prime
Minister of Belize, first premiere. Uh you know my political
hero a law with Michael Manley from Jamaica. You know,
he fought to get independence bloodless, not not. You know,
no one died. We're resilient people. So I'm embedded with
the resilience that is inherent just in the Belizian spirit.

(27:32):
But going from Belize where my mother was a single mother, impoverished,
we didn't even have a toilet system, going from that
to joining her h once she you know, got her
citizenship and she regularized herself here. She brought me here

(27:54):
to the States, and still we were poor. But you know,
American poverty is different than a day a developing nations poverty.
But we were still poor, still single pair. But going
from a developing nation to the United States where you're
one in a couple hundred million, being an immigrant child

(28:18):
and being able to accomplish what I accomplished by the
time I was twenty years old, when no help. Father
wasn't around, mother was struggling to pay the bills, you know,
living with Grandma, living with aunts, living with everybody cousins
in one, you know, small house, and to go from
that to putting out a platinum album to putting out

(28:41):
a classic album, to putting out a second classic album.
But let's before we even get to the second classic,
which you you like, Godfather Buried Alive orderan to Shine album,
and that says a lot. Yeah, that says a lot.
But just before we get to Godfather Buried Alive. When
my first night in incarcerated after I was convicted was

(29:02):
in Manhattan and the tombs, I got on my knees
and I prayed because I always prayed. I got shot
when I was sixteen, and ever since then, I never
missed a dead prayer because I was praying to stay alive.
I wasn't even praying to be successful, or praying for
a new car or praying for anything. I was just praying, God,
don't let me die, and I don't. I'm not a

(29:24):
disloyer person, so not because I didn't get the outcome
that I wanted a trial, all of a sudden, I'm
not gonna believe in God anymore. When I just put
out a classic album right that went platinum, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
MTV directect everything right.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
And I was I was hitting. So I got on
my knees and I said, you know, God, it's not
the outcome I wanted. You know, they did me dirty.
You know, I was just defending myself. But check this out.
I'm extremely grateful for all that you've done for me.
You let my dreams come true. And that's that's one
thing I had asked for. I pray to God that

(30:04):
at least because I knew I had an unlicensed weapon.
I know that's illegal. There's nowhere around that. I admitted that,
but I was defending myself, so I didn't expect that
the jury would convict me of anything other than the
weapons charge. But I said to the creator, to the

(30:25):
most side, the architect of the universe, I said, listen,
my dreams came through. At least my mom. No matter what,
no one can take away her child from Carrosso Street, Mesopotamia,
Belize south Side. He did what no other belizing had
done at the time, for sure, and still hasn't done.
No other Bleasing has accomplished the commercial success that I've accomplished.

(30:48):
Respector Andy Pelasio or Lord Raven, you know, Paul the
Boar and a lot of other great musicians. Super g
stick the artists. I got to do that. I got
to live my dream. There's so many talented kids right now,
you know, whether in Compton and Crenshaw, whever, wherever in
California in the Bay that are dreaming about being Kendrick,

(31:10):
dreaming about being the Game, dreaming about being Tupac, and
that might never happen. Right, So my dreams came true.
And I said, you know what, God, thank you. All
I ask is that I don't die in here, or
I don't end up killing somebody in here, and just
let me get up out of here, right, let me
endure every day in here, and let me let me

(31:34):
make it out of here. And he did it better. Yeah,
he made me a mythical creature. And you know what,
I just looked a number one. You were on four
double Xcel covers four of them, not three. It was four. Yeah, yeah,
yeah right. So not only did he allow me to
endure the worst thing that any human being could ever

(31:56):
go through. I would not never wish that on anybody.
I can my word enemy. So he didn't just allow
me to endoor. He allow me to thrive. Right, the
multimillion dollar deal with death jam everybody calling Drake calling
Hole calling, you know Jamaine, I got it, I got it.
I forgot Jamaine on my list. I'm would He's definitely
on my list. But when Jamaine and Mark Pitts respect

(32:20):
the man because he's a president over at r C
A Sony. When they called me to get on the
Usher record, respect the Usher, imagine I was. I wrote
that song is because music is everything to me throughout
my journey. So literally we have a keyboard and a
cassette tape, and so every new album that comes out,

(32:44):
you know, Mama love my mom. She sends the tapes.
So I just got the Usher album and when I
heard Confessions, I kept playing the song over and over
and over and over again the remix, like who can
script that? I'm no cat? Listen, no cat. Next thing,

(33:07):
you know, I checked my phone messages and Jermaine and
Mark Pitts on my phone saying, listen, I should want
to talk to you. Got this record he wants you
to do and you don't want a verse that you
already have. He wants you to wrap it over the
phone and you're on that with twisting Kanye Kanye West,
who produced more or Less with Foxy Brown, No no, yeah,

(33:30):
Foxy Brown chorus chorus. So imagine, like I was just
talking to Hit and he was talking about the record
I did with Corrupt, the.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Behind Them, the East Coast remix.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Right, So I'm just saying, brother, I'm so blessed, so fortunate.
You know, we got it Grammy for the Confession because
the Confession's remix was on the album. There was a
version of just like my book, they want to grab
me for my breathings for Alicia. Yeah. Right, So I'm

(34:05):
just saying, I'm extremely fortunate, man. So I have so
many silver linings and so throughout that to be a megastar,
to be a mythical creature, to put out another number
one album, to put out a classic album, uh, and
to just all throughout my incarceration, I was at the height.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Even when the documentary came out, A young game is
rapping about Sean Uh dip set the game was name
dropping you a lot, dipset rapping about Sean.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, it was not rapping about Shane.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Well. And there's also like an alternative timeline where obviously
you're a free man. So that goes without saying. But yeah,
you know, bad Boy didn't have the greatest track record
of putting out artists consistently or doing right by them
while they were You know, there's a chance that first album.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Comes out and.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
You know you end up like, you know, no disrespect
to like a Mark Curry or somebody, but somebody who's
like frustrated with yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
But that's why I'm telling you it was a dream
come true because I came out and I had I
had hits that the Bonnie and Sean was a hit,
The Bad Boys Class was a massive hit. Then I
was on, I was on I was on a bunch
of other hits. I was on the Phone Tap I
Can't Believe with Faith and Carl Thomas. That was a

(35:30):
hit that got nominated for a Grammy. YO, when you
were I gotta ask you because I was on Keisha Coles,
I broke her. I was just I was just cursing
out Manny asking him how would the remix not be
on the on the on the album? That's crazy because
the remix is what everyone was playing, and that's what
really broke her. She came with Fat Joe, respect the

(35:52):
Fat Joe. They came to Rikers Allen and performed that
for the inmates that was. I changed my mind, right,
changed my mind. I'm trying to figure out Kanye West
on the track Joints. Yeah, came to visit. Believe a
big respect to j Prince Godfather Rap own a few
islands out there and believe yes, wow, So definitely I'm

(36:16):
trying to get doctor draded by a few islands as well.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
So, yeah, what was the process of getting your verses
off in jail? Was it just over the phone?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
No? No, no, that's the only one I did over
the phone? Was usher washer?

Speaker 2 (36:30):
What you didn't do the corrupt one over the phone?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Nah? That was already I went to record that, Okay, okay,
I recorded that.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Was yeah, because that was around the time of the os.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
That was that was on the So what I did
is I took it because it's like what I'm doing
right now. Uh, I have a very eclectic palette for music,
and so while I'm creating straight hip hop classic, I
still I want to have the different bops, right. I
don't want to just have you know, New York, but up,

(37:00):
I need to get that West West. The Keisha record
was recorded in jail or no, no, no, no, that
was that was something that was the first that I
had already recorded, but I just didn't release you.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Got You You Got You Got, So like when you
do the Usher remix though, right, is it?

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Is it? Like what it is?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Sitting in myself, I'm saying, like, is it You got
to set up a time where they accept the call
and the engineers recording it and then now you know.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah yeah, and you know you might dine the yard.
So I had guys, I have point person paying attention
to make sure nobody don't. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
There was this rapper from Sacramento name X Rated Yeah,
and this dude he went platinum in the nineties off
of prison Albums where he recorded all his ship over
the phone or however he was doing it in his cell,
and he was like, you know, we would just take
care of the guards and I would incredibly.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
When we shot the video and Clinton donnamoor for with
me and Ashanti respect that shanty the Jimmy Jimmy the
Jimmy Choo record.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Damn, that's crazy man.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
We pretended like we were doing an interview. Yeah, and
I just do it that they sent me. They sent
me to Adam and Sag for that that I definitely
for me. They took away my phone. Yeah, and they
put me in isolation for have you ever like, did
you ever do the twenty three hour lockdown? Yeah? In
the hole. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
They say that can mentally break you.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I mean, listen, outside of that, you get mentally broken
being there. Uh yeah. So that's kind of the reason
when I got out, I lost my voice and I
didn't have I didn't have the motion, I didn't have
the energy. Yeah. It's reminiscent of someone who is shot

(38:50):
several times and it is bleeding out and they're trying
to get themselves to safety. So they'll run. They'll run
until they get this safety. Then they'll pass out. They
don't even don't have time to look at the wounds
until they get to a place of safety. And I
believe for all those years, with the number one albums,

(39:12):
with all the accolades, with the Grammys, with all of
the respect for my pearers, which which matters very much
to me, of course, I still was That's why I
call the Godfather buried alive. I was buried alive. There's
no way around that. And so when I came out,
it's like being resurrected, it's being you know, brought back

(39:33):
to life, and so I had to. I had to,
you know, learn how to walk, learn how to do
everything again, learn how to breathe the fresh air. And
my guy, my guy hip hopp hop definitely came down there.
For those you know gen z s might not know.
It was an R the Great rock Fellow Records and
all those classic you know Jason your albums. Yeah, gee,

(39:57):
Roberson respect the g as well. They both came and
see me in Clinton. But Hop came to see me
and Belize and built a studio in my house for
me so that we could work on the new album.
You know, but I just wasn't ready. I wasn't ready.

(40:19):
And then a record leaked. I did a record for Kalid,
respect the Calid as well, because he's always been a
super Shine fan. Before he was flying the private.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Planes, he used to only take the bus every Yeah,
so he said.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yo, I take a boat to you. Just please do
this record for me. But that record leaked and my
voice sounded terrible because I just I wasn't ready.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Do you feel like your your your you found your
voice again?

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Oh a trillion? But could you could he here? You
could hear and you know you could have heard it,
when I did the Lifetime Achievement performance in LA and
the bt awarts.

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Speaker 1 (42:09):
I always wonder when you're in your situation you get
this deaf jam deal the album comes out.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
But again, even when we talked about the album a
little bit before we started recording, you could you could
tell it ain't your baby, like Shine is your baby
because Shine you were there.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, but you could never have another Shine man.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
But I love But I'm curious, like I'm assuming there
was a lot of like, hey, there's a lot of
stuff that I recorded before I left.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
You know, I don't know I recorded that album. So
that album was be my second album. So that album
was in the can prior to you sitting down, Okay,
I didn't know if it was like I had already
gotten with with Blaze, I had already gotten Yeah, I was.
I was just collecting beats because I knew I was
going to sit down. I just didn't I didn't expect

(43:00):
that I would have been sitting down just in case,
just in case we don't have another at I had
no matter what, you're gonna go sit down in New York. Yeah,
licensed weapons.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So I knew that makes sense. Man, I'm curious, while
you're incarcerated you find Orthodox Judaism.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
I had already been I was born. It's interesting, you know,
being today. Some people say that it's ethnic, but it
really isn't. It's a religion religion depending on who you
talk to exactly. But I take the position that it's
it's a religion. Anyone can be a Jew if you believe,

(43:40):
and obviously depends on what kind of Jew. They're Orthodox Jews,
Ultra Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, Conservative Jews. Uh So, it
just depends on what you want to be. And I
believe the relationship with God is a very personal one.
For sure. It doesn't have to involve religion, But religion
can give you a structure in a guideline, whether it
be Islam, to be Catholicism, whether it because you're a

(44:02):
moral a moral compass to kind of follow a skeleton
if you whatever, whatever the road map is to where
you're trying to go. But I'd always been into mono Theism,
and it could be maybe based on my heritage, which
is from you know, Jews from Portugal. Uh, they went,

(44:24):
you know, my my great grandparents, the Lindos and the Barrows.
Barrows meant Bark and Lindo is Levy, you know. So
that's why I took on the name Levi. But yeah,
and I believe there's some Ethiopian roots there too, but
the Portuguese roots is official. The Lindos and the Barooks

(44:49):
they went to Jamaica, the Baroks, the Barrows ended up
in Barbados, and so yeah, so I guess there's something
genetic there. But mono Theism was always my thing. As
I said when I got shot when I was sixteen
years old. I would always pray, but I wasn't praying
to intermediary. I didn't feel comfortable praying to Muhammad or

(45:12):
praying to Jesus, or praying to Buddha or any any
entity other than the creative of the universe. And that's
why I chose the name Moses, because Moses was one
of the most powerful men on earth before he decided
to go on this path of you know, leading out

(45:33):
the Israelites and liberating them and creating you know this
religious structure coming from Abraham and other mono theists, but
so I'm really a mono theist and Judaism is the structure,
is my infrastructure of how you know, I practice, and
how I practiced to a point where I got to

(45:55):
a level of enlightenment. So it's like, you know, I
could drive on the Shabbat. You know, I don't necessarily
have to eat strictly at a kosher restaurant, but I
don't eat non kosher food, meaning you know, I eat
fish and chicken. But if I eat you know, a
burger has to be a kosher burger kh if it's beef.

(46:17):
But that's just my science. It doesn't you don't have
to do that, and you can still be a great person,
Which takes me to what I said about enlightenment. So
enlightenment means my religion is love, compassion, kindness, honesty, integrity, tolerance,

(46:40):
practices of such values and character traits. That is what
I swear by. That is my Torah, that is my Kodan,
that is my Bible, that is my religion. Yeah, because
I think when you first got out, it felt like
you were like like I was, like I was, I
was UTU orthodox. But I look at it as as

(47:03):
when you go to U c l A. Right, Yeah,
you could get your PhD in music, of course, but
it don't mean that you're gonna win Grammys, and it
don't mean that you're gonna put our classic albums what
you would train you were initiated, right, So I feel
like what I went through with their religious journey was
an initiation as far as going through all the degrees.

(47:26):
And now I'm at a place of enlightenment where I
bring people together. So I'm a I'm a humanitarian human being.
I'm not a Jew first, I'm a I'm a belizing
first of anything. But I'm a I'm a human being
and Judaism is my foundation that led me to get

(47:46):
to a level of enlightenment. But I'm here to bring
people together and I'm here to to create a new,
a new era of enlightenment where people aren't, you know,
allowing religion to separate them. But let's agree to have
been people. Let's agree to have integrity, and let's agree
to be tolerant, Let's agree to be kind, let's agree

(48:07):
to be compassionate. Like yeah, that's it almost like it's
almost like this the way I mean, but I pray.
I pray, yeah, to the creator of the universe, to
the architect of the universe.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
But I was gonna say, if you think about this,
like it's almost like if you I don't do it
on my someone says, hey, I'm a Christian. I believe
in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't necessarily subscribe.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
To you know what some of the more.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Hard line you know, super preacher ship, you know what
I'm saying, Like there's a difference between like excuse me.
I mean, I think we've seen specifically with you know,
the last few years, like and what's been going on
with Israel and Palestine and all that, Like there's been this.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
They're the same, they're the same blood, they're the same.
If you want to talk about a race, they're there.
They're the same race. This idea of Europeans come to colonize,
it's just not true. I don't want to get into
the politics, right, they're the same race that theyre come from,
the same Llawance right, Israel and Ishmael, Right, they're the

(49:23):
same there, Isaac's son, right, It's the same people. And
that's why I Sayligion and I think that is the
thing that you know, we've heard this all of this.
You could like people being critical of a country and
a country's actions. It is not the same as someone

(49:45):
being critical of a religion, a religion and the people
because because everyone is not like I don't get into
external politics here and anywhere else, but not because I
lived in Jerusalem and your day value system and studies
is what has allowed me to get to my level

(50:05):
of enlightenment. Means that I support the current government or
any other actions or any other government that that so
so one has nothing to do with the other. Doesn't
mean that I praying for the humanitarian crisis to have
come to an end and praying for the war to end,

(50:26):
and and praying that there is an Arab state that
lives in peace with a Jewish state doesn't mean I
support Hamas or I support you know, any terrorist right.
Doesn't mean I support right wing people in Israel who
may consider yeah, I don't. So I don't support extremism

(50:48):
any way, shape or form. That's what the religion thing.
So to me, religion may lead you to a Pandora's
box of extremism, and I believe in light meant is balanced.
Do you feel like you were ever at a point
where you were teetering on the extreme side with the Judas,
never to the point of not recognizing other human beings

(51:16):
and their right to self determination. I saw somewhere you
like when you're performing, because because there's super the super religious,
there's some super religious Jews that don't agree they're not
There's there's extreme Orthodox Jews are not Zionists exactly. So
so Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, with should

(51:37):
they values per se? Right, It's it's compl I.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Was wondering because like I'm I'm I'm like, I'm a
pretty political guy in terms of just being as students
as as stude as possible. Yeah, there was a point
in time where you shouted out Jonathan Pollard on stage.
Yeah he was he was kidded by Jonathan Pollard was
the guy who was a spy.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I thought you was talking about a lot. I know
here're talking about he was kidnapped Jonathan Vibra who got
arrested and then Obama didn't let him out, or maybe
Obama did let him out. Yeah, and then I know
who you're talking about. BB greeted him on the on
the tarmac, and so I just I just yeah, I

(52:21):
just think like we've gotten to this place where everyone
is so extreme and like this specific sometimes like I
think you you nailed it, man, Like it would be
amazing if two people could have their own nations and
live next to each other.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
And and we look at things as like, hey, look.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
At look at my god Kaled. You know, I know
his heartbreaking. I know his heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
I wish he'd speak up about it, to be honest,
but you know that's not you know.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
It's heartbreaking. And everyone everyone makes their contribution.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
For sure, and we might not know what he's how
he's contributing. We might not to be fair. He is
a Palestinian though, so exactly right.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
But I know I was when when when October seventh
first happened and all the bamba started and you know,
all the bloodshed on both sides. I went to see
him because you know, that's my guy, and I wanted
to check on him, and I know it was tough,
and yeah, so our relationship is the epitome of what

(53:19):
the world should be. Right, Like, we're not you know,
I'm not here condemning Arabic people, Palestinian people, I'm not
here condemning any people. I'm not here are taking the
side of extremists on any part of the planet. Right,
I'm here saying that the United Nations they had partitioned

(53:44):
what was Palestine, and Palestine contained both Arabs and Jews,
Christians and all types of people. So, you know, I
don't want to get into the politics of it, because
you go back to thousands of years, you know, it
can get You got King David, you got King solid
It's a lot, It is a lot, and it's I think.

(54:05):
But all I'm saying is, let's deal with where we're
at now. Where we're at now is the United States said,
this is the state of Palestine, this is the state
of Israel's for the sake of for the sake of peace,
we need to abide by that. But but but again,
it has to go both ways. We can't have we
can't have either state to destroy the other state both states.

(54:28):
So that's my dream and that's my prayer, because there
are people from both sides that don't want the other
side to exist. And that's what we gotta We gotta stop.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
One hundred percent talk to me. You gotta kind of
you know, last year earlier.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Just not forget May second Kingstad to Brooklyn, New York,
first show back. Are you nervous? I look nervous, well,
because you didn't. You didn't really get to tour like that. No, no,
I told you it was ninety days. But no, no, no,
I'm what you gotta understand.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Is because this this is gonna be the first time
you've performed a lot of your songs, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
I'm only doing a shine album. And I got some surprises,
cause I got some guests coming out, some people that
I did records with. But no, for me, I it's
just like the the the the BT Awards, right, I
felt the gravity. That was one of the most difficult

(55:28):
things I ever did MM period, not just as far
as artists, as far as anything. Cause when you go
when I go in the House of Representatives, I'm representing
my constituency, and when I was leader of the opposition,
I'm representing the country because everyone didn't vote for the government.
So every time the House of Representatives was set, I

(55:49):
would feel I I would feel the weight of the moment.
But then I prepare, I make sure my speeches, uh,
and then you know I have an ability where I
have a speech, but no matter how much it's written out,
I deviate and I know how to get you know
how to get back into it. Yeah, But but I

(56:10):
go there and I go there with a purpose. So
when you ask me and I don't, I had to
let my humility come back. It's not that I'm like,
do I look nervous. It's like, after all that I've
been through.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It's like once you're a politician and.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
You speak to a nation of Yeah, but not just
the politician, but after all that I've been through as
a human.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
For sure, it's like prepared for a concert.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
This is the moment, but listen, this is These are
the moments that we live for. And then this is
a celebration. I'm going there to celebrate with the people
like you and others who love Shine's marryingson Levy coming out.
We gotta wait and see. He's on two of your
biggest records. We gotta wait and see. I'm not I'm
not making any promises because you got to get the

(56:57):
Orange Man to give him that green light. Flights, get
flights get you know, he's in Jamaica. He's in Jamaica.
I'm not making any promises. I did that once in
my life and it didn't end right. So can you
get buried to leave to come out? So people need,
people need to know that Shine is going to be there.
I'm not making any promises other than Shine is going
to be there. But just as I said, for me,

(57:18):
obviously I'm preparing, I'm rehearsing. You know, I'm gonna actually
because I go, I'm based in believes and I go
back and forth. But I'm going to spend you know,
like a month leading up to the concert there just
preparing and making sure that this moment is excellence, This

(57:39):
moment is perfection because this is a moment of celebration,
This is a moment of triumph, this is a moment
of reconciliation. Yeah, so this has to be a great moment.
It's not for me. Commission live would be crazy, it's not.
But listen, this is not a moment for me. So
it's not like, oh, I'm not nervous for me. I
can't be nervus. I can't. There's so many people waiting

(58:02):
to celebrate this moment for me, and I'm an instrument,
right and and that's how I approach I approached these things.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
The Diddy documentary coming out the world kind of has
to relive this terrible situation because it's a big chunk
of one of the episodes. What was it like for
you to kind of just go through like a lot
of people learning about your situation for the first time
through that document I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I wasn't a part of that documentary they used, but
they spoke yeah, I didn't. I didn't see it for
that reason. I don't need to relive the trauma. Big
respect to Fifty and Alex the young Lady who.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
It was a well done directed documentary, I didn't see.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I didn't see it. I'm saying the reason I didn't
see it is because I did not have the bandwidth
to relive that trauma. I put out my documentary which
is on Honor Bushin, which is on Hulu, So so
even going to that space for that documentary was a lot.
So revisiting that space again, I didn't need to do

(59:09):
it by even being a consumer of the content. So
I didn't even want to watch it. Not because I
had anything against Fifty or anything against Alex. In fact,
I applaud them. I've applauded them publicly for being a
voice for the victims and the people that felt they
were wrong, regardless of whatever the verdict was in the case,

(59:33):
and giving those people a voice. And I know that
they spoke highly of me in the documentary, and I
have no reason to believe that the documentary was presenting
anything but the truthful.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
Did they reach out for you to do anything?

Speaker 1 (59:49):
They did? Alex said she did. But so many people
reach out to me and I don't. I'm not interested.
That's the thing. Like even right now, I'm interested about
May Second Kings Theater, Brooklyn, New York putting forward a
spectacular performance. I'm gonna do the entire country definitely. La Yeah.
And so for me, I wish Cassie well, I even

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wish Diddy well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Do you feel like you've made peace and forgave him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Forgiving is something that I did a long time ago. Unfortunately,
when the little Rod accusations came back, as far as
him bragging that you know, he shot up the club,
that did he told them he shot up the club,
and that Sean took the fall. That opened some old wounds,
and then hearing all these things. But I can't live
in that space. I refuse to live in that space.

(01:00:43):
I moved on, I continue to move and I'm so blessed.
I have so many great things to talk about. These
three new albums. The Honorable is the first album coming out,
Rap Prime Minister, second album coming out, Actual Intelligence, the
final album of the trilogy, Independently. Are you doing this? No,

(01:01:04):
we we we We're gonna decide what major, What major
We're going I can imagine, I mean major distributor distribution. Yeah,
I'm sure everyone our partner. It depends you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I mean, look rock Nation, that's distro now, I mean in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
The scope, you never go wrong with Interscope.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Kick the Tires, I mean Death Jams Back you never.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
You never go wrong with Atlantic, and I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I feel like for you man, like it's it's
a statement to this album. Oh well, remember it's gonna
be three albums, but I'm saying that first one, man,
that first one, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Got to be a statement. But it's just like what
you said, you love Godfather Buried Alive more than you
like Shine. And so that's the mentality I'm going into
it with is that every song that I'm doing has
to be better or as good as the last song.
So definitely top tier Hey.

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so much man like hip boys is you know? He

(01:03:37):
inspires me. I just listen to that Blizzard album hm,
because you know I want that bop. I want that
West Coast bop and you got it. He got it right.
It's crazy. I mean like I mean the clips, the
clips inspire me. That album so good. Yeah. Kendrick Kendrick
inspires me. She am not pronouncing it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
She's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Did I pronounce it but her name? Because I want
I want her on on on on one of my albums.
If you ever at least she's nice with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
The thing about the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Hip hop Nas inspires me, the fact that he just
keep he keep. I don't know where you get these
bars from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
He just you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
And he putting seven albums with hip boy. Yeah, the
twenty from twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Twenty twenty was the first street first one to now incredible. Yeah,
it's crazy too because even Nas is like a businessman
and an executive. Yeah, I mean, MASSI appeal could be
a spot for you to land like Nas just dropped
seven crazy He did the ghost Face album that day.
Saw I mean, yeah, I can, I can just imagine, dude,

(01:04:43):
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I listened, I have an eclectic taste. Whiz Kid aspires me.
You know, burna boy and I got DJ Tombs. Who's
with whiz Kid? I listened to a lot of dance
souls so so Russian. Uh, you know, he produces Sancia.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Of course, I was gonna tell.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Carl Teller's having an incredible run, but he never stopped
having a run. If you asked me, he was bigger
incarcerated yeah, uh than he was or just as and
continues to be, you know, just legendary iconic figure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Yeah, I was in Uh, I went in the grill
and around that. While I was in the grill, I
didn't know, but he had he had a stadium show
in Kingston and it was stadium crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah. So yeah, you know Brett fires, Yeah, incredible, you know,
because like I said, I'm not making music just just uh,
just for the you know, just for the guys. I
gotta make music for the women.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Like the late Don Tolliver, Don Taliver's crazy. That new
album The Octane is crazy, Bryson Tiller, Tiller's dope, It's dope.
If you if if if if you could get a
guest verse from anybody right now, a verse, who would you?
If you could just make a call and it's it's done.

(01:06:04):
Who you? Who you calling? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
That dre versus what I wanted. But we got that,
We got that figured out. So after dre Man, it's
a time between Jay and nos. I mean, he an't
go wrong with either of those.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah. And then and then Kendrick did. Yeah, Kendrick, I say, like, Kendrick,
I just had an argument with my friend because I
was like, you know, a lot of people put Biggie
in their top five off of two albums, which is fine,
but I'm like, when I say Kendricks in the top five,
big tough.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
When I say Kendricks in the top five, some people
say I'm crazy, and I'm like, Yo, this guy's discography
is he's five albums deep, now six albums deep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
You could he missed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
He's definitely top five and won the biggest rap battle ever. Yeah,
he's definitely tough worthy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, he's like he's in that discussion and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Listen, I'm not taking those sides, so, uh, I gotta throw.
I'm gonna throw.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
You'll take the Drake verse?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
No, but I'm gonna show you I'm not taking those sides.
And maybe and it's not the politician in me. I
just feel as an elder statesman, I'm not supposed to
take any sides off anything. I'm supposed to bring people together, right,
So I'm not here to take any sides. But yeah,
definitely I would. I would round out. So my top
five rounding out, so we ad dre uh Jay, Jay

(01:07:36):
And and this is the top five people you want
a verse from Jay AND's top five, Kendrick four, and
then Push and Drake round out the five. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
The Clips album I think showed everybody like, hey, like, but.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
You know, Push gave me a verse already for an
album that I think is an incredible album, and I'm
gonna re record that album. That Gangland album It's crazy
if you listen to the beats was twenty sixteen, right, nah,
I think like maybe twenty twelve. Okay, I think okay,
Well my voice wasn't there. Yeah, it was terrible, It

(01:08:18):
was terrible, But that's a great album. I gotta re
record that when I'm finished with these three albums, I'm
gonna re record that. So some big respect to Push
always always supported me. What is because I feel like
Belize doesn't get talked about enough, and you're you are
such a big, you know, spokesman for your country.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Like it looks like such a beautiful place, looks like paradise.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Is paradise, Absolutely paradise. But listen, definitely Cardi Dough she.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Don't She's the best performer in music. I just saw
her live and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
I just rep fiz. Yeah yeah, you know done. I
feel like I mean, I feel like so so I'm
just saying we was talking about my top five.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
And don't you give you one of them joints?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
But you know you got the you know right, Cardi definitely,
you know Cardi got the motion. Big respect to her guys, Darryl.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
And and yeah, yeah, shout out to her and her people. Man,
all right, so we know when the show is going
to be second.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Kingstad Brooklyn, New York. But you were asking me about Belize. Yes,
Belize is paradise. Uh so the most beautiful I'm taking
the wife there, got to take him the most beautiful,
you know, nation in the world. Most beautiful beaches, uh
clear waters, beautiful people, great food, rich culture. You have

(01:09:47):
the Maya temples there, you have the girlfriend of people there,
you have the Creole people there, you have the Mestizos
people there. You know, you got Indian Asians, you got
the Mennonites. It's it's just such a rainbow of culture
and people bounded together just with one as I said, resilience,

(01:10:09):
one determination. Yeah. No, it's not like Belieze. Yeah, it's
crazy because I don't think people understand like you guys
border so much.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
It's like watch Yah Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Yeah, but we're an Alaska flight away direct from from
Lax straight flight. We are a direct flight from Miami
hour and a half so to Lax is four and
a half hours, Miami hour and a half direct flight,

(01:10:41):
Houston two and a half hours, Atlanta two hours. Jet
Blue used to do direct flights. Newark does a direct
flight from New York four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
It's not far from Kancun.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Huh nah, it's right here right there. Yeah, it's like
that's like a traffic era. That's a belize. I think
their flight is maybe like two hours.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Yeah, when you're in like, you know, I can only
assume once you see the world through a politician's glasses, right,
anything that's going on, Like do you just like kind
of see what's going on in the US and be like,
you know, I'm kind of glad.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
I'm kind of glad. I got I have believed this
shit's kind of fucked up over here right now. The
way we retreating immigrants is the way retreating I mean,
it is, it is, it is, honestly, Uh, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
I haven't been alive for a wilder time at least. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Well, that's why it's important for people to be involved
in the electoral system. And so for me, I don't
get involved in external politics, as I mentioned, So I
don't take Democrat side, I don't take Republican side, right,
because I mean, because shit, Obama could have saved you
from getting deported. He could have pardoned me. He could

(01:11:55):
have done a lot for me, and he didn't. It's
under President Trump that I'm here. But I first came
under Biden. I first came under President Biden when I
was a diplomat, when I was leader of the opposition.
But when I lost that status, you know, President Trump,
you know his administration could have fronted on me. But

(01:12:18):
the long story short is when President Biden was there,
I met with Republicans because beliefe first. So I'm not
here to get involved in American politics. I will sayspect.
As an immigrant, I pray for immigrants, and I pray
for compassion and mercy and the things that I said.

(01:12:42):
And if I have an opportunity, if I have the
privilege to sit with the President of the United States,
because I believe in dialogue. Of course, regardless of how
vehemently people may disagree. When when the Democrats want something done,
they go to the Oval office.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
And I Respector Mondani, the Mayor of New York City,
because when he needs some shit done, he goes in.
He'll pick up that phone and they'll talk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
So But as I said, so, my my message is
compassion and and and tolerance and mercy because you know,
the nation, the United States was built by immigrants. They
add so much. But in all fairness, uh, President of
the United States was elected on a mandate that he broadcasted.

(01:13:29):
And even even though his opponent h Harris, she said, well,
I you know, I told you all what was going
to happen. I'm not taking any side. I'm just saying,
in all fairness, with respect to President Trump, this was
his mandate. It said he was going to do this,
and the people voted for him. And in democracies, you

(01:13:51):
have to respect the will of the people. Now, however,
is it being carried out executed the right way? The
execution it's people of America. I don't vote in America.
So that's why I'm not going to get involved. You
guys will have an opportunity to determine whether you know
you made a mistake, whether you are satisfied, that's for

(01:14:13):
you to determine. As I said, if I ever have
the privilege of meeting with the President, sure I'll share
with him one on one things that I think. You know,
if you could look at this and if you could
have a little bit more mercy with this and more
compassion with that. But if you really look at it,
he's executing his mandate and it's just up to people
that disagree to to you know, go back to the post.

(01:14:34):
And one thing I will say, your democracy is working
because you have a separation of powers that is working.
The Supreme Court. When when people feel agreed, whether they're immigrants,
whether it's the terrorists, whether it's whatever, they yes, that
is democracy working. So so President Trump had his vision

(01:14:58):
and they got to get this warship together because he
also ran on no wars. Well again, you know, I
like you said that the American Yeah. Yeah, But I
definitely don't support dictators. Of course, I was a leader
of the opposition. I was allowed to say anything I
wanted about the Prime minister, and I was allowed to protest,

(01:15:20):
and I was allowed to criticize without getting locked up,
without getting shot up. So I appreciate democracy. So so
when it comes to removing dictators like Maduro and and
the Ayahtolas and these people, I shed no tears for them. So,
you know, that's just my opinion. I believe in democracy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
The women's school getting bombed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Right, but they said that that was Iranians. But but
and then if you go back, if you go back again,
they said, the Timahawks are sold to everybody, right, but
I'm not gonna get Well, listen you Australia, look but
look at what, look at what, look at what you know,
look at what could happen in the world. And that's

(01:16:04):
why I said, let's try to bring everybody together.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
I agree, I think we got to try to bring
with some of these people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Some of these people don't believe in tolerance, don't believe
in inclusion, don't believe in compassion. They're rigid. And if
you're not, if you're not a certain religion, if you're
not a certain persuasion orientation, you get killed or you
get jailed. So I don't shed any tails for those people.

(01:16:35):
Do you like you've been there, because I've seen this
a lot in the news. They say that certain parts of.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Israel, in the West Bank where a lot of the
settlers are, that they they'll treat Christians like very disrespectfully,
or or if you're not ethnically Jewish you get treated
a little different. Has that been anything you've experienced in here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
I've never I've never seen that I've seen. You know,
as I explained to you, as Jews look alike sometimes
unless you're unless you're religious, unless you're a religious Muslim,
is the only time that you could really tell the difference.
And no, like, there's a place that I go to
in Hebron in Israel, and Hebron is where the patriarchs

(01:17:18):
are buried, where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Rebecca and Asaph
they're buried. They say even Adam and Eve are buried there.
But there's a part where Jews can't go because it's

(01:17:44):
controlled by the Muslims and Jews can only go on
certain certain times. And that's a security issue and a
safety issue. So as I said, it's complicated, but there
are places where Jews can't go. And so the issue
of the discrimination, uh, you haven't seen that I haven't seen,

(01:18:12):
because again, there there's so many different types of Arabs.
Not everyone is a Palestinian. You have different types of
Arab people to live there, Arab Israelies that are Israeli citizens.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
There are Israeli citizens that are that are that are Palestinians.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Ye, So so yeah, I didn't witness. I didn't witness,
and I was praying. I was going to the to
the to the whaling Wall, to the to the temple.
And when you go to the temple, I'm walking with
Arabs who are going to pray. Got it right at
the other side of the wall, which Jews. I think

(01:18:54):
now they just allowed Jews to start going where the
dome of the Rock is and that's where you know
Isaac was sacrificed, and that's where you know, the temple,
stud et cetera. Like I said, I wish that we'd
get to a place where people can worship whatever they
want to worship, people can be whoever they want to be,
and then by side. Yeah, that's what I'm praying for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
You had mentioned earlier you were chopping it up with
Mason cam.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got I'm headed out there.
I'm head gotta go see.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Gotta go see.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Can you talk about your relationship with Mace, because like
you said, man, you're on double up. You guys have
Mace is my guy. This is my guy. You know,
it didn't it didn't really. I wouldn't say it didn't
start like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
That because I saw you talk about it on the
Breakfast club a little. There was some tension over something.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah, not really tension. It was just that I came
you know, Yeah, I came in the door. You know,
Eric being rock Camp. I came in the door right,
just stomping the door down. Kobe coming to the Lakers,
you know. But Shaka is a superstar and listen. I

(01:20:03):
had the biggest crush on Brandy, And you know, once
the opportunity presented itself for for me to connect with her,
it was a dream come true. You know, I'll never
forget you know, uh, just speaking to her, I jumped
like after I got you were dating Brandy. I had
the biggest crush. There was an entanglement where everybody had

(01:20:24):
I had the biggest crush on Brandy. Yeah, and uh
you know, so were you and Mace talking to Brandy
at the same time talking listen. Uh so Mace also,
you know, also had a crush on brand I also

(01:20:45):
had a you guys, okay, you guys have a crush
off the same relationship with with Brandy. But I didn't know.
I didn't know. I had no idea because it was
you know, she's who she is. She was she at
that time, man, she was listen. That was the biggest album.
That's why I said I had a great life. I

(01:21:07):
want you to understand, you know, respect to missus Norm
with mister ray J, everybody, entire family. But I was
a poor kid. I turned the laundry room into my bedroom.
That was the first time I ever had kind of
a bedroom my entire life in the United States. And

(01:21:31):
the bed, it was like a queen size bed, took
up the whole laundry room. I could touch both walls
with my hands, right, yeah, And then my head would
be on the wall back here with my pillow, and
the TV would be right there, and I could change
the the TV with my feet right And what was

(01:21:52):
I watching? What was I watching? MTV? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Hold on, boys, mind not come out until I get signed.
It comes out in ninety eight. Yeah, So when it
comes out I signed, you know, I'm the talk of
the town. It's all shine. And you know Sylvia Roone,
it's like a mother to me. I love her so much.
Credible woman, credible executive boss of bosses. Even though I

(01:22:22):
didn't sign to Electra, I did a deal with her
to write songs. I did a songwriter's deal.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
And so I would always go up deliver certain amount
of songs to a label.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I would always go up there to see her.
And you know, my homegirl Lisa Bronson were still friends
to this day. I remember when I was up there
and she had a picture of Brandy on her thing,
and I was like, Yo, you know, that's my biggest
crush ever. And you know, I just you know Brooklyn Belize.

(01:22:53):
We got a level of confidence. That's the only way
I survived death. And that's the only way I got
to where I went to it every day every day
I could have died, got to ship every day I
could have died, and I willed my life into existence.
So like, after I accomplished what I accomplished, there's nothing
I can't accomplish. So I saw the picture, I was like, listen,
I got a crush on her. What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
So when Puff approaches you about this conflict, what is
the what is the is it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Hey man, like, guys are both signed to me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
It's like it's like it's like yo, yo bugging, what
are you? What are you doing? Mace is shocked. He's
the chance. Yeah, he's the MP m v P of
the team like you just got here like chill. But
but but we got past that, you know what I mean.
So when you end up on from Scratch and listen,

(01:23:42):
I think, I think Brandy. I thank Brandy for helping
me make a classic album for sure, because you know,
like I said, my biggest crush, you know, we in touch,
fly here to see her, you know, connected right connected.
But then there was another young lady also you know,

(01:24:03):
she sold a couple of million records, but she was
a rapper, and you know she was my friend as well.
You know, we were connected, and her and Brandy got
into it. They got into a little you know over you, right,
So she called me, you know, cursing me out like

(01:24:26):
you know, I don't even know who you think you are,
Like you're nobody, You ain't even sell one record like
I'm Brandy, like swong with you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
And that hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
That hit me like a media out of like an
asteroid out of space.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
It put a battery in your back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
To no, it hits me like you will never talk
to me, No one will ever talk to me like
that again. But I needed to hear that because you
know I was, I was, I was living it up too, much,
you know, focused on the you know, on the pop
divers and the rap divers and he was outside. Yeah yeah,

(01:25:07):
but that that slapped me up. That gave me that
the hand of God.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
When you up doing the from Scratch record with my
song on that, Mace and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Then me and Mace, Me and Mace connected, you know,
murder Mace, Mason Bether my guy, like you know, he
really we connected and you know, he gave me so
much information. That's when he was doing the deal with
Jermaine and of yeah, what I'm saying, rest in piece
the Hoddy, Rest in peace to Lottie. But yeah, me

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and him became close.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
When you end up doing the double up songs from
Scratch ends up dropping in the mint.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Puff wanted Puff wanted the He wanted to square up
over that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
He wanted to scare with you over here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
He wanted to square up over the why because initially
it said if I could start from scratch, I had
to sign the Death Jam Hustle with Rust a couple
of million advance. Oh he didn't like that because I'm
because I'm not a bad boy. I'm more like a
bad man. Put more people in Pitts than Brad man.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
So after so he heard that and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Was like, you got leak what. I was actually in
the studio with Mace Mason Cam. I think I think
Cam because Cam and lived in the studio. Respect the
un Uh. Yeah, he wanted to square up. He wanted
to square up. I was like, man, listen, behave yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
It's crazy, and then you end up signing to death
Jam eventually yells a couple of ms. Yeah yeah, man, listen, dude,
I'm looking forward to, uh the new music obviously, and
the shows.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
It is in Brooklyn, Brooklyn, New York pro show of
many shows.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
How crazy is it for you to walk around Brooklyn
now and see like how Flatbush is like gentrified.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
It's a development is important. We just got to find
a way, the elected officials got to find a way
to make sure that that upgrade includes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
His people who are there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Yeah. Yeah, so that's the thing, right, We gotta we
gotta make sure the investment is going there. I love
what Brooklyn Borough President Antonio is doing. He's running for Congress.
My guy, a great model is my guy Donovan Richards.
He's a Brooklyn bor president. Because you know, even though
I'm doing this twenty fifth anniversary celebration. I'm tied and

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heavy with all the political leaders. Yeah, and on both sides.
You know, Byron Donald's who's running for governor of Florida,
you know, tied in with his people because, as I said,
it's important. You know, the the Republican South Carolina House, uh,
you know, gave me a proclamation and I met with

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Democrats and Republicans and even though that's a red state, right,
they recognized, you know, my political leadership, so uh so. Yeah,
but definitely the political leaders such as assembly Woman Seantel
Jackson was from Belieze. She's a belizing American. You know,
they need to do what they need to do to
make sure Madami has this incredible vision.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Man, look, I mean, let's let's see if he comes
that crime is down and and uh well let's see
if he could turn it into crime was done down under?

Speaker 4 (01:28:27):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Eric Adams, that's my guy. I'm a little bit biased, you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
Know, the wild dude that Eric Adams. He got a
crypto coin. Yeah, when the mayor launches a crypto coin, yeah,
but I guess our president launch a crypto coin.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Yeah, yeah, I need to launch a crypto.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Don't do that not if you would get re elected
and believe one day they're gonna be like this guy
did a rug pull well, listen man, the second of
May Brooklyn Uh, and then the honorable Shine album. Yeah,
it's gonna be the first of three projects.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yeah, and then the rap Prime Minister and actual Intelligence.
I gotta put that actual intelligence out there, so nobody
don't don't run with that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Yeah, you're right, you have to put it out there,
otherwise you're gonna be like, wait a minute, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Because you know miss AI right, Me and Timberland we
were having that discussion because.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
You know, he's the AI guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
He's a AI guy, and I believe it's a balance. Yeah,
I believe, But I believe I believe in actual intelligence.
And for everybody out there listening, don't give your brain
away or we'll be living I robot Will Smith. We
need actual intelligence. We're gonna always need this brain if
we want to exist, or we will come extent.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
Man, Well Shine, actual intelligence.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
I appreciate you pulling up.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Thank you for having me. I'll be in La when
I when I come perform in La.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Yes, sir, and you pull up there, you already know
man Shine, Pope appreciate you better.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Boo Visit believes.

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