#643 - DJ Paul Talks Three 6 Mafia Legacy, Pimp C Stories, Drake, Bone Thugs Verzuz, New Music & More

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is your boy, DJ Paul Kowen represent that three
SIXS mafia. Check me out the Bootleg cav podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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the interview, yo, Bootleg Cavs show Man. We got a
special guest in here, a legend, you know him, DJ

(00:51):
Paul in the building.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
What's up? What's up?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
What's Ulcome? Welcome, Welcome, you are definitely a legend. One
hundred percent?

Speaker 1 (00:59):
What made what makes a personal legend?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I mean I would say catalog influence, uh impact, talent?
I think you know. I was just I was just
having this conversation the other day because I knew you
were coming, and I was telling my buy I'm like,
you know, DJ Paul is like, damn, You're like, I know, like, yeah,
gets a lot of flowers for being like the rapper
producer guy. But I'm like, DJ Paul is the one

(01:24):
for real.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
I try, man, I try to put diverse my portfolio.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
New album, Go of All Goats. Yeah, man, you feel
that way about yourself naming the album go to All
Gats man?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, I do you know the reason why I
named it that is because a lot of people out here,
a lot of a lot of fans out here that
artists that they look.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Up to look up to me.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
You know. Like so I was like, you know, like
I'm not better than this dude, but I'm like somebody
who this dude is a fan of. You know, Like
if you look into the eminem book, the book that
them wrote, yeah, he got like a page on that
that shows all of the his kind of influence, like
his raps and scrap books and this and that, and

(02:10):
he got a CD that I produced in that.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Book on which city was It's a little white CD.
Oh shout a little white man.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, shout a little white And I was like, damn, look,
eminem is listening to a little.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
White Who would have thought?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Who would have all?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, shouts a little white man. Very dope artist, still
doing this thing.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Too, Yes for making an album on him another one.
But but I was like, you know, like a lot
of these a lot of these guys I made, you know,
like from you know, anybody you know, like the Migos
or anybody like man, I grew up on your music
and my parents used to listen to your music. I'm like,
I feel a little old by that, but I appreciate it.

(02:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
What I always would tell people too, is like I
wanted to I always wanted to ask you this. Obviously,
kick an interview off. Were talking about influence, but you know,
little John got a lot of credit for kicking off
whatever you would consider crunk music and the chanting. But
you guys, to me, were the real creators of that

(03:15):
sub genre of hip hop.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah, well of course we did.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
We created like that was y'all's thing, Like I bet
you like that was y'all's thing. Like when you guys
saw like John like taking it, you know, and obviously
kind of I mean, he's the crunk guy now right,
Like he's got crunk juice and all this, But at
that time, you guys were a little kind of like,
were you guys feeling some type of like damn, like
that's kind of our ship low key.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, it pushed me to want to get a record
deal independent. I was cool with being independent, but then
I was like, shit, if we don't get a record
deal and get this out to the masses, like people,
just everybody else will take the credit for us and
and we they never know that we had anything to
do with it, right, you know, like shout out to John.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
The greatest, by the way, one of the best guys ever.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
He's a personal friend of mine.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And another one of those guys who we don't talk
about enough about. How incredible overproducer is this the same
guy who did blow the whistle and tell me how
to go?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, so lo John took it to a whole other level.
I'll tell you that much. You know, we created love,
John took it put its own spin on it because
Lo John Beast was different than us.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
For sure. It was the chanting, it was the chance.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So he took it to a whole eleven and he helped.
He helped us in a way because he helped, you know,
build the whole, the whole thing of krunk.

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because you guys come into the game independent juggernauts, right.
I remember there being I remember there was like two
separate ads and the Source or double xls. Back in
the day, there would be like the Loud Records Official Project,

(05:27):
and then there would be like the Hypnotized Minds, whatever
side albums y'all had going at the time, the Triple
six Mafia, because there'd be the Triple six shit and
then there was the three six shit. Yeah, which I'm
assuming was your guys as little loophole that like double
up looking.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, man, man, just it might be, you know, till
the smartest dudes in the music industry, but with that one.
But you know, we was making sounding so much money
that they didn't they didn't care that we was putting
out these little side projects. You know, well, I put
out an hour album. We put out an album through
Sony and it would go platinum, you know, sell million copies.

(06:05):
And then we put our Triple six to Mafia with
different songs independent at you know, nine dollars a unit
and that'll sell to three four hundred times.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
You guys are what what was that independent distributor? You're
going to select hits?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, still for some stuff. Yeah, So yeah, that's so.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Back then, you guys were getting the major label money
from the Three six Mafia albums, Yeah, but the side
stuff you So, I don't think people understand like the
scale of how the music industry has changed, because back
then you'd have to go to Sam Goodie and a
lot of times you pay like eighteen ninety nine for
an album, like a Triple six Mafia.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Album, the cheapest was sixteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Right, So you guys are getting nine bucks in pocket
or so off each one of us.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for the independent stuff, and you
guys were running it up. Yeah. It was doing three
four hundred thousand copies on this one, three four hundred
thousand on this one, that on nine dollars. You know, man,
it was crazy crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
What at that point in time were you guys. I mean, look,
I know you guys had your guys' bouts with substances
and all of none of that stuff is a secret,
But were you guys stacking bread in the nineties when
you guys were on that run, Like.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
We wasn't drugheads like that, right, Like, we wasn't the
dudes that sent up and spent all of our money
on drugs. Like my best friend, Get High Chris was.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
A crazy name, Get Hi Chris.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Everybody knows get high Chris. They talked about him on
a million songs like he was he was my best
friend growing up since fourth grade and he was the guy, right,
you know, he was the guy. So he just came
over my house. I was the only one, you know,
in our neighborhood at the time that had a house
because you know, like I was, I was a celebrity,
I was a rapper. Yeah, so I always had like

(07:50):
a house or an apartment or something that we could
hang out with and hang out, and he just would
come over there with it and I never bought it. Right,
it was best.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It wasn't like you guys were like over here supporting
like some crazy habit with your guys is like.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Getting everybody was getting. Man, when you a celebrity, the
drugs is the last thing you gotta worry about.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I try to tell people now it's like I get
I get so much free weed now. Yeah, I'm like,
I don't remember last time. I remember last time I
bought marijuana.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, bro, you ain't gotta bad, You ain't got a bad.
They gonna throw it on stage. They're gonna get you
to have people just want to, you know, hang out
and they gonna bring it so like, yeah, we we
were saving our money and we was we was real
smart with that money because we wasn't we wasn't drug
heads like that.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
We wasn't crack at that time. Like, uh, Memphis doesn't
have the infrastructure and the like today when we think
about Memphis, it's like one of the hot beds of
hip hop, you know, and you know back in the
day it was you guys, it was a ball. It
was m j G. It was there was obviously another
thing going on then, what was the because you guys

(08:56):
built an independent infrastructure that rivaled what was happening in
the Bay that was you know, rivaled with like guys
like The Limit were doing. What was that? Can you
just kind of cause you guys go from doing stuff
like mystic styles right to get in the sony situation.
What was it that kind of caught I guess caught
traction that got you guys into that like major label

(09:20):
world where you guys were able to actually get major distribution.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
It was because independent album came out and then the
second three since my album it came out and did
so good. It was the an album you know and.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Leed Man, that's was that a that's one of those
nineties covers that sticks out. Yeah, Penn and Pixel yep.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, And that album came out and it did, uh.
It debuted on Billboard pretty high. I can't remember where
it debuted at, and I think it debuted like number
thirty or forty on Billboard, you know, independent. And then know,
Sony gave us a call, but we had already sent

(10:03):
that album to Sony. We was trying to get a
record deal, and they had told us no, you know,
because they didn't didn't nobody understand that music back then, right,
you know, so they told us no. We were like,
all right, So we put it out on our own and.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
And it did what it did.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
It did what it did, and then they called us back.
And then you know, when they called us back, you know,
I would say I wanted more money. I was like,
you know, I would have did it for us, but
now they does.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You guys had this like brand that was always supers
like mysterious. It was like obviously the hypnotized mind ship,
but you guys are also like the profit ship and
and all that was all that like pretty on purpose,
like intentional your guys's brand. I mean, you guys brand
was low key spooky back in the day. Yeah, what's
up with these guys?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
And that's just what we were just into. We were
just into like spooky Ship, into serial killers and you
know all of that stuff. So, you know, we were
just into that.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Chapter two is the first album that comes out through Sony.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
From there, I feel like it was kind of off
to the races, right, like that's ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
So yeah, and then you know, it was.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Just approaching almost thirty years, right, twenty nine years since
that that that came out.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Yeah, a long time ago, man, Yeah, but it was
it was fun, you know what I'm saying. I know
now just doing my own thing and the ears was
fun and those are behind us.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah for sure. I mean you've also I mean, look,
i mean your solo catalog is insane.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm starting to put a little more
a little more into that.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
You know, I remember what was the album he dropped?
It was like one of the albums I really fucked
was the Skeleton or Skeleton?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yea great album?

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Was that like twenty eleven?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, like now right before the mixtape Shit went crazy? Yeah,
that was like that mixtape Ship was that was.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Like right before the blog era really got crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, that was the mixtape era. You know, it helped
a lot of artists obviously, like helped the new artists
and help the new artists, but the older artists.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Trying to sell my ship.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah you're selling you about about it. It was a
It was a I was over Quincy Jones house Rest
of the Peace, Quincy Jones. Quincy Jones was a good
friend of mine and I was over Quincy Jones house
in like two thousand and seven. Uh, and uh he
was like, he's like, you know, pretty He was like, uh,

(12:38):
pretty soon, let me turn itround. I start over. This
phone never rings, by the way, it might be important,
it's not important. It's just a text us. So, so
the mixtape, the whole mixtape era. You know, I was

(12:59):
over Quincy Jones house in like two thousand and seven,
two thousand and eight, and Quincy Jones was like, he
was like, you know, pretty soon we're gonna have to
be giving away music. And I was like, I hope
not that. She later two years later that shit man,
these niggas were giving away albums like crazy. I'm talking
like straight real album.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Like I think about them away the first the first
wolf project that popped in was Trunk Music, and that
was a free mixtape. You know, Big Creep pop off
a free album like Big Sean, like j Cole got
two free ones that came out. Whiz you know what
I mean. I used to give out free albums misic styles.
I went to Atlantan Gay that album for free. Now
understand that.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
On the internet, it's like, yeah, it was handed somebody
a couple of dudes at a bar, right, Yeah, It's like, look,
it's one hundred y'alls and I'm gonna give ten of
y'all one and hopefully the other ninety I go by,
but you know, just blasting out, and I was like, god, damn.
I fell back. I made that Skeleton album. It did
really good. It was the end of people of buying

(14:00):
physical CDs at that time, and you know, it did
really good. I think I did like three hundred thousand
conference or whatever on that. And then I fell back.
I was like, you know what, I'm out, I'm not
giving away free music.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Did that kind of like make push you into like
other interests.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Or were you like, yeah, it pushed me into man, thanks,
great question. Yes it did. It pushed me into real estate,
and I stopped buying real estate, like crazy, I own
nineteen properties. Now I just stopped buying a town of
real estate because.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
You had all that money. Fuck nine dollars of CD.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. I just I just stopped buying real estate.
And in twenty ten I got I got into the
restaurant scene.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, tough scene. By the way, I owned a couple.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, it's not the easiest style.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
It's not. It's not.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It feels like they'd be like, yo, the margins are
crazy on this food until you realize, like, running a
restaurant fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Bro, It's a lot. It was a love I got one.
Now I only got one, you know, but if I
got in, I started that. There was like twenty ten.
I started dibbling and dabbling with that whole day made
the reality show.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Reality show was a hit.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, but this was another reality show. You're talking about
Adventures in HollyHood. But in twenty ten we did one
called Famous Food on VH one.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I think I remember that.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, with the celebrities. We was opening up the restaurant.
So I opened up that restaurant. I won that restaurant
RD on that show. There was some other guys and
opened up that restaurant. It was just a party house,
you know. We had to close that down after about
seven months. And then twenty fifteen, five years later, me

(15:50):
and some of the guys on that project got together
and we found a property on Rodale Drive. And Rodale
Drive don't really have restaurants on it, you know, it's
not for the shopping yep. So my guys like, hey,
y'all want to put a restaurant here, and I'm like,
hell yeah, and then ya open. Yeah it's still open
in three years now.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh that's congrats man.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, the Hideaway on Rodale Drive fortuenty one Rodale Drive
to Hideaway. So it took us forever to open it.
We started on twenty fifteen. We were supposed to open
in like February of twenty twenty. Then the pandemic hit
and then Beverly Hills was giving us a bunch of issues.
This kind of floor, this kind.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Of wall, of course, of course.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah, it's like this don't fit the aesthetics of Beverly
Hills and this wood don't go.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I can imagine it's like having like a really shitty
uh way.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
But it was a blessing though, you know what I'm saying.
It was a blessing because with them giving us shit
made us not be able to open in twenty twenty anyway, Right,
so then the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Because the pandemic might have washed y'all out.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, it would have watched it out. We would have
been open before she had rent On Rodeo Drive would
have been done. Yeah, So it was a blessing in
the skies when we opened up after and uh they
had the restaurant is popping. You know, Sophia of the Gars.
When I've been in the Spiders.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Shout out to Sofia.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Super hot.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
She's a legend.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
She is a super legend.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
You've had this. You have like these like relationships with
certain people or crews in hip hop that are just
like iron clad, Like you and Yellow Wolf have to
slum Mafia thing. That Blackfall ep. By the way, I
think that's some of your best production.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Yeah, that ship is four songs, but Jesus shout out
the team.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I wish that ship was on I don't think it's
on Spotify. You got to go find that ship on
YouTube or something. Because you were sampling like all kinds
of rock ship on there, even if you think all
the way back to like when the smoke clears your
you got a record on there with three six Spaffe
and Twisted.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Clo.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's what I meant to say. You are c P
and and twisted.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Shout out to the ICP but my voice.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, what is your guys like, because what is it
about the Juggalo subculture that because you've done gathering of
the Juggalos, you guys have always worked together. What is
it about kind of that Juggalo subculture of music that
is kind of clicked with DJ Paul and the three
six fans.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
It's just because of it's because of the Juggalos. First
of all, they're fun. You know, I love doing the festival.
You know, I'm a Juggler myself. I love them, and
it's just the whole because I grew up on rock music, right,
so they just give me a rock field, you know,
like you can tell I CP it grew up on

(18:42):
a lot of rock as well, so there was that.
They just give me that whole rock field. Doing the
fast and doing that. It's the closest that I get.
Now I do rock festivals, yeah for sure. Vals Now
you know, we just started doing that maybe two years ago.
But and we got another one coming up, a big one,

(19:02):
this ship. But that was the closest thing to me
feeling like a woodstock or some of these old events
that I festivals that I grew up watching as a
kid that I wish.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
You would hear all kind of crazy stories about, like
a drug bridge or like a gang bang tent or.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, it's crazy. I've been on the drug bridge. I
wasn't getting high, just just chill.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
But there's like a bridge. Everyone just goes to get
the bridge. Yeah, and it's all on private property, so
it's like you can really just do what every fun
you want.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah everything, man, people don't be on that. Man, it's wild.
Girls be walking around naked all over the place like
it ain't nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
And it's like funny because you'll see like certain people
will agree to do the show and not kind of
I feel like know what they're signing up for all Yeah,
they don't know. And then like some people have gotten
either boot off or shit. I think there was like
that Tila Tequila chick.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, yeah, and they got messed up. I was dead
at night. I didn't see that they were throwing down.
You got them pretty messed up. Man, that was crazy. Yeah,
you just gotta you gotta know what you getting into. Like,
they don't. They don't mean no harm. Bay, you know,
they're just gonna throw stuff at you. But a lot
of people take the wrong way. A lot of people
like this. Motherfuckers just do some because of the average counserve.
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We mentioned a little White a little bit earlier. Can
you kind of you know White, somebody who I feel

(21:53):
like doesn't get talked about enough in terms of just
he's an incredible artist. But you know, I know you
were a on the early stages of seeing like Jelly
Roll as a rapper. You guys, he's got a hypnotized
Minds tattoo. I don't know if people know that or not.
Jelly I believe he does under his shirt.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That's fine. I didn't check that out.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I'm I'm pretty I'm about one hundred percent probably do.
I've seen Jelly without a shirt a few times. I
mean not not, not just because I've been on the
tour bus with him, like before.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Uh, can you kind of speak to like, you guys
just did a tour run with him and a couple
of years ago, and he's always very vocal about what
you guys have meant to his come up, Like, can
you just kind of speak to what it was like
seeing this whole kind of transition from him being like
an underground Tennessee rapper to one of the biggest stars

(22:45):
in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Now, Yeah, he's huge. Basically, what happened with that was
a little white discovered Jelly Roll. I don't know how
he how he discovered but some kind of way he
discovered him. If I had to take a guess, I
would be like, you know, obviously jail Roll probably was
and a little white.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Yeah, yeah, there was like that, like kind of underground
white boy stack. Jelly a Little.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
White got in touch with each other or whatever, and
and Little White brought him to me and Juicy and
Project Patton. He was like, man, you know these dudes, Uh,
these dudes are hard. Like it was Jelly. We put
together this group called Snow s n Oh and it
was Jelly, a Little White, and a guy named b
Peg from Indiana, Rest of Peach BPG and and men.

(23:30):
Juicy flew to Memphis and we did that album on
them and me and Jelly just got really really close
because we had some some street some street ship passes
that that that lined together. We knew some of the
same people. So me and Jelly got really really close.
And man, we made a great album. Man, you know

(23:51):
what I'm saying. Great albums the O of the day.
Jelly is like one of my boy boys. Love him.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, I feel like sometimes people forget like because now
he's like a you know, like a pop star, you know,
like Grandma's level. But sometimes I'd be like, people forget
this guy's from the streets like he did like hard times,
like street street.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Jee's a game banger. He was like he was he
was from the street street, you know, like you see
it and his old stuff. But you know, like that
was why I really loved Jelly so much, because he
he was coming in the studio like I play a
beat or Juicey Player beat or whatever, and he would
be singing these hooks were so much soul, but he'd

(24:36):
be talking about some street ship and I was like,
I don't know, no, no white dude in the game
that's doing that right now. Like I could think of
some black dudes doing whatever, you know, like you know
my guy with death Row, Rest in Peace, uh Nate
Dogg all thatver. But I didn't know nobody a white
rapper that was delivering soul street ship, and I knew

(25:01):
Jella was gonna blow up. You know. I wish, I
wish we would have just, you know, put more more
into into him and you know, made another project. I'm
just him.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
But I feel like I feel like his journey made
it possible, like he kind of had to go through
all of the things he had to go through.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
To like yeah, yeah, we couldn't. We couldn't have put
him where he at now. We could have, obnoestly, we
could have made him big, right well, We couldn't have
put him where he at now. If anything, we probably
would have made it worse, you know, because it's probably
been more alcohol, more drugs, this and that he needed,
he needed Bunny.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Bunny changed his life.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Bunny changed his life. Bonnie did something that I could
never do for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, no, she she definitely changes life. You saw, you
kind of saw like the you kind of saw it slowly,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And then yeah, a lot of times artists need that,
you know, like it's only so much me as a
manager in a record label CEO can do for the artist.
Like I can be there in the studio with you
and guide you, but I can't go home with you
and got you. And that's where the real mental situations

(26:12):
come in, and is when you leave the studio. Now
that's the most important part. So if the home ain't
the home ain't right, then you know, none of it
is going to be right?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Did you guys? Ever? Because I remember there were certain
artists when I was like coming up DJ and there'd
be certain songs that and I was I'm thirty nine,
so like when I was doing clubs, it was twenty
years ago, nine, who So it was like me, that's
an ever after you guys, right, But I can imagine like, like,
were you guys because you guys had the brand of

(26:45):
the being the tear of the club up thugs? Like
were clubs like let y'all in if Like I could
imagine if because I was in the club in scott
Stale right now. Yeah, it's what eleven eleven. I've had
Juicy there before, but Mina, next time you're in town,
you gotta come. But I could like if somebody was like,

(27:05):
we're the tear of the club up thugs, I'd be like, Yo,
we can't book that.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, bro. They used to put in our contract that
we couldn't perform to the club up or they would
take money out of our back end.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Because can you I just could just imagine owning a
club and somebody's performed club up.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, telling them to test that.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I bet you won't hit them up. I'm like, god damn.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
But I would just I would just get the money
up front and uh and tell them I wouldn't do it,
and then you know, we perform it anyway and they
tell that motherfucker apart. Man.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Was that like a cause? I feel like, was that
like a pretty normal thing where like because I feel
like people don't understand like this before social media is
a thing nowadays, some ship like that happens to be
all over academics, you know, or or like yo, so
and so performed.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
It wouldn't happen.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Was there a lot of like was there a lot
of fights at your guys' club?

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Guns man, tons tons fights, shoot out? I've seen a
million motherfuckers get shot, you know me? And like I
saw a dude get shot one night in Mipigs. We
was performing at uh Club three eighty three, a bill
that was a real popular club back then, and uh
uh crew guys got the fighting in the lobby and

(28:18):
you just and it was like I think it was
like a twenty two or something. You could really barely
hear it. But everybody started running and I thought everything
was done, and me and Lord was one in the bathroom.
It was a dude up under the sink. He was
like he was under sink and he had been shot
in his side. I think it went through his heart
or whatever, and he sat there on the sink. I
went out, I ran out of the lobby. I was like,

(28:39):
hey man, it's a dude there dying and uh, yeah,
he died. It was on news and everything. I've seen
a ton of that. I saw somebody get shot three
rows in front of me and and uh in uh
North Carolina. That was three SI my fans, one one
twelve doing the show and we.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Got that's that's a crazy lineup.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Dude was R and B saying, and yeah, a motherfucker
a dude who got shot right there in front of us.
I didn't even know he got shot. I was still
on stage rapping, and my security guy picked me up
and saw.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I care, like we gotta go.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
They're like, man, we gotta go. Somebody that got shot.
I'm like what people was running. It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Another classic that has been reworked, and it's like just
kind of now. It's like you you'd be crazy to
go to a club and not here to slob on
my knop. You want to talk about a song that
had like a second, third, fourth fifth life.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, that song Forever Good Last Man.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
But it's crazy because like it's it's bigger now than
it's ever been by far. Like one of them was
so funny. It's such a funny song. Were you guys,
because back in the day, uh, you know, it was
the idea of telling a girl to lick on your
butt when you guys were in the studio and that
line gets like recorded, is anybody like, well.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
The song had already been out, So this song was
already out on one of the Juicy's underground tapes, okay,
and then you know, we we remade it for the
Tenny Club of Thugs album, you know, redid the beat
and all that, and he rewrapped it and all that.
So the song probably been out in the history of
Memphis for a while, probably ten years, nine years or something, Yeah,

(30:22):
because I think he wrote that in.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Like so it's just a fucking it's a really greater yeah.
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, So the song had been around for a long
time and you know, like we were just redoing it
and then it just it went crazy because it was
already a big hit in Memphis.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
The Juicy version. Yeah, so you you guys redoing it
kind of just yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, because we redid that. Like songs that was real
popular on my solo tape or his solo tastes, we
redid them, put.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Them on the club.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Tenni Club was on mine, yeah, yeah, me and Lord,
it was tape we took that and then we took
Slow and nine from him, and you know, to stop
putting together like that.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
It's crazy. It's it's crazy, like just the amount of
like like when I said earlier we talked about influence.
That's a song that I just saw a brand drop
a Shrek style version of the skeleton t that Juicy's
wearing in the State Fly video like last week. I

(31:23):
saw it and.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
I was I was like, the Supreme did one as well.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
But it was like instead of skeletons, it was Shreks.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
But it was in the same style.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I was like, check this, this shirt will not die.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
And it was just a little cheap shirt that right that.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
You probably got it the swap meet the Court like where.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
New York just some somewhere to the style is just
found that shirt and just gave Juice of that shirt
and their fucking shirt.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Blew up Jesus. That Yeah, it's it's it's crazy, man.
So tell me for this new album, man, you have
got uh the snow of the product record that's dope.
Shout out to Snow Who's somebody else? So I feel
like it doesn't get enough flowers. She's incredible.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Man, I love Snow. I've been working with Snow since
two thousand and eleven. I met Snow when I lived
in Vegas. She came by my studio, my PR lady
at the time, and my big sister Dove brought her
back there.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Do you know Chip the hat company? What was the
hat company she used to work with?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
She used to work with that one hat coming. Yeah,
I can't remember.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I remember she used to send me all kind of
fucking hats man.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
When I was living in Vegas, how Night's Fire, yea, she.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Would be down there for them convention from Magic Agenda
and all that shit. Yep, she brought She brought Snow
to my studio. Then Snow was young and we did
a song, We did a video and everything, a song
called on Their Raw. And I just always stayed in
touch with Snow. You know. We always you know, like
big brother, big sister, little sister type of thing. And

(32:45):
you know, she ended up moving out here, and you know,
and then I started going about her crib and you know,
doing her her podcast.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And she's incredible and her and her podcast is fun.
They just have fun.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
She got the ranch going. You know what I'm saying
mini Ranch in the Valley A.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, you living life, man, Living life?

Speaker 2 (33:06):
How long? Because there? Because you have a lot of
songs on it, which which is I love this because
it's very Uh. It reminds me of like old school
when you got twenty four songs on a fucking album.
People would actually.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Did a post and I was like, how many songs
should I put on here? Some people are like eight,
some people like twelve, Some people like twenty twenty plus. Man,
you haven't made an album seventy years plus plus, And
I was like, nah, I guess I go twenty four.
And then I made myself stop because I had more,
but I was like, I save it for another project.
But but the twenty four flowed good. I felt it was.

(33:35):
It was good because it gave you a little of everything,
like like you said, snow and that song was totally different.
And that's the reason why I had to put so
many songs, because I was trying different stuff on this album.
Now the beats on here, it was different stuff like
the Snow is a reggae tone, crunk, my fusion fusion.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
So you know, like I felt like if I give
them some so different, I gotta throw like an extra
two songs of my own style, of my original style
back on here, just a you know, a conversation for that,
you know. So that's why I put so many on
that because I was trying different stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
You and Freddy have an amazing chemistry that the pys
song on his album from a couple of years ago
is fucking incredible. He loves you. He's a lot of
people know that. Sorry. Fred's one of my best friends.
So I know, like you guys, it would. He's done
full albums with Alchemists, He's done full albums with mad Lib.

(34:37):
I feel like a DJ Paul fully produced Freddie Gibbs album.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
We're finna do it. We're finna do a Hypnotized Rabbit.
That's the name of it.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Hypnotized Rabbit will be crazy.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
We're finna do it. We already in the process of
doing it's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
How many songs you guys got You think we.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Haven't recorded, No, but I got. I'm getting the Beast ready.
I'm getting the Beast ready. I think he's going to
go on tour, to go on on the on the
road spot days. But you know, in the process of it,
I'm be sending him stuff to get right while he
on the road, and I'll be doing the same.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Give him some of that dark shit you got man.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, when we did the new song my new album,
to find Out, after we finished recording it, he said,
motherfuckers think I can't rap ot no crunch shit. I
can rab old crunk shit. I was like, yeah, of
course you came, motherfucker. He was proud of that song. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No, it came out super dope, super dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You gotta check out the video to the video sick.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, I saw saw the video shots to Freddy Freddy's. Uh,
Freddy's one of the ones. Man, hell bees you are?
Can you can? You kind of talk about too because
you've had this relationship for so long with young Buck,
who obviously is from Nashville. He's on the new album,
but just that kind of I mean, we're going on
twenty years. Yeah, yeah, twenty three years. Since when did
State Flight come out? Two thousand and three, four five, five?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But years was Buck was on the Smoke Claire's album Crazy,
so was nineteen two thousand.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
So no it's two thousands because I bought that album
the same day I bought Nellie's Country Grammar from the
Sam Goodie and San Diego.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah. So I've been knowing Buck for a while Buck Project.
I took Project pad to to go up to Nashville
and grab Buck and bring him to my house and
we just started working. And I've been been cool with
Buck ever since then. Man, love him to death. You know,
I got one on Bucked already done a full project,

(36:30):
full project. We've just been updated a little more and
then you're ready to put that out this year.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Do you feel like you figured out the balance of
being the guy who used to sell all these CDs independently,
being independent, but also kind of existing in this new
space where you got to drop your music. The streaming
revenue ain't there like that, It ain't crazy like it

(37:00):
should be, right, But people nowadays, more than ever, are
buying records and there, and they want to support, like
they want to own a piece of something, like are
you gonna have vinyl or you're gonna I'm.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Gonna do I'm doing vinyl and uh CDs, doing VIOYL
and CDs, because man, you just never know these days. Man,
You know, like I fear that one day we're just
gonna turn around and you know, all these streaming places
pages will be gone.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I hope. So for the artistic honestly.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
We'll turn around and they'll be gone one day. Man.
You know, like like look at.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I think then motherfuckers really gotta try when they put
music out because it's gonna cost them to release music.
Right now, you can just throw some bullshit out and
see what happens, as opposed to being like, oh we
gotta get some ship pressed up.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah exactly, fuck like yeah, like fuck man. You know,
but it helps people out that doesn't don't really have budgets.
That's a good thing. But it's just you know, they
they pay us crumbs. They're making beans and dollars, you know,
and they're just you're paying us chrumebs man. You know,
I think I think one day. I think one day,
y'all let it change. So you know, to all the
artists out here, that's like, I'm not gonna put out

(38:04):
music because you know it's not making no money, and man,
just put it out because one day it'll make some money.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I think too. It's like, if you have any sort
of tribe that fucks with you, the music is like
an advertisement to get them to come spend money with you,
you know what I mean, Like, whether it's on tour,
whether it's you got a merch store, whether you know
what I'm saying, Like, yeah, the vinyl game is crack.
It's more crazy than it's ever been right now.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, Yeah, they love it. You know they love it.
And you know, Clint Sparks told me some a few
years ago, shouty Clint Sparks. He told me, he was like,
you know a lot of these artists out here, you know,
older artists, he said, they focus on trying to make
a new sound and do what the younger kids doing,
but they forget they sat millions of OG fans that

(38:53):
still want to hear their old stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
The kids aren't gonna. Ice Cube sat in this chair
and I thank him because I was like, hey, man,
your new album sounds like an ice Cube album.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, thank you for that. That's what you're own, that's
what you're want. Man. I grew up on New York music.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
It's like, if I'm buying an ice Cube album, I
don't want to hear ice Cube, do Young Thug or
Future you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I grew up on on on New York and
West Coast hip hop I was obviously that was always
here back in the day, you know, West Coast in
New York, and I grew up on both and I
miss you know, you can still turn on serious asm
and here they'll be playing like some some underground, straight
New York hip hop style songs that I shazam shazam

(39:40):
can't even find it right, you know, Like, but I
miss those old, old school, hard New York style hip
hop songs, you know, like I just miss them, man,
I miss them, you know, like the ship that that
you know, all these different dudes was doing back in
the day, like Eric being rock Cam, you know, ooh

(40:00):
and all that, and I just I miss it.

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Can you give me a I feel like there was

(41:08):
this era where there was like all of these kind
of underrated movements happening at the same time. There was
a Ball and MJG. There was three six Mafia, there
was UGK. All you guys were semi major. You know,
I think UGK was on drive, but you and uh
you got classics with UGK, with pimps, You got any

(41:29):
because I always heard pimpsy was like a character character.
You got a crazy pimpsy story or just something, because
I feel like we don't talk about pimps enough. Man,
he's one of them.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Ones man, he more than ones man, like is so funy.
PIMPC called me after he got into that incident. You know,
he told me he was like, man, I just got
into some shit, man, like I was in the mall.
Bit drew a gun on me, you know, he said
a bit je gun on me. I do one on
up like she bully thing on him. He pull the

(42:02):
thing on her back. You know whatever, weld to whatever.
Thank god, nobody got hurt, you know, but pill was
my brother. Man. He told me a lot of stuff.
I was out, you know, I take to the grave,
but you know that was that was my guy. Man.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I heard he was super obsessed with cell phones before
he passed away. I heard he had like thirty phones,
like he had a gold eye for you. Like I
heard he had a cell phone thing.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I never knew that. I never knew that. I never
knew that. I believe it, though I believe it. I
knew he loved candles. He loved candles, but uh oh yeah,
I never knew that. The cell phone thing about it. I
probably never even noticed it, you know, because back in
those days, like Master P had a rule that you
couldn't even have a cell phone in the studio. Now,

(42:47):
I never went that far with it, but that's an
amazing rule to have. I wish those those would come back, anybody,
if you ever understood.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, yeah, I mean even back then, that was before
there were cameras on phones too.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, yeah, like no cell phones in the studio, so
you know, that was kind of a thing back in
those days though, So I never seen pm C with
a cell phone, to be honest. When we was in
the Steel Man, we was you know, getting high and
drinking and kicking in. We was talking. Ain't nobody doing
this or doing that? Man, you didn't see a phone.
You had no reason to have a phone out.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
When you guys were in the studio and U bun
Bee's doing the intro to sipping on scissor, which is
such an epic lead into this fucking banger. Are y'all
like hyping him up when he's on that like little
tangent that leads into the beginning of the.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Song I was so high. I don't even remember. I
just remember having a we had a wreck, and yeah
it was the whole thing. Man. But Pemse was he
was a he was a beast man resting the piece
of him. I miss him. I just you know, I
always think about, like if he was still around these days,
like you know, like what would he dress? Like? What

(43:53):
kind of car would he have? I know what kind
of car you got? He probably had like a raf
like a twodo. He loved coops. He probably had like
a too though on swings or something. And uh, I
always wondered what would he be, what would he be dressing?

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
What would he would have ever did the skinny jeans thing.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
He probably have been called. He probably would have been
saying a lot of canceled, canceled.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Probably would have did the skinner jeans because two five
would like sextion nigga.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, he would would have taken the shirt off with
skinny jeans. Pimps would have called everybody gay.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Probably I can't see him doing the skin jeans. No,
I don't think so, man, I can't see he probably
would have had him a little a little bit, a
little bit skinny because the only think you're bad at
that point, maybe a little bit skinny was a stomach
out in the mink coat on, but I don't think
he wouldn't have had him to to too tight.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
If you think back to Sipping on Scissor, which is
a record that it kicked off the national people knowing
what this was because no one I mean outside of
the region and people who did it, it was not
a thing. And now if we think about every artist
that's had we see a lot like a whole generation
of rappers who either sip lean, currently are doing Lean,

(45:07):
have kicked the cup, have been addicted to lean.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah, what is.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Your thoughts just on like lean culture as being kind
of the guy who first kind of brought it to
pop culture.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, well, you know I said this and then I
leave that that alone. But it's just it's a bad thing.
You know, it's a bad thing. You know. Like I remember,
I remember Lord Infamous overdosed on some lean. We was
on tour and guys would be giving us, you know, lean,
giving us bars a Lean. I remember Lord Infamous overdose

(45:38):
on lean. We was doing the Ryan Spinner's video. He
they took him to the airport in Atlanta. I mean
a hospital in Atlanta, and you know he lived. Obviously,
he was good. He just was drinking all of the
CRP while we was on our Femi in the video
Ryan Spinner, he was drinking SYRP on you know, hit

(45:58):
everybody spot ash and you know, overdose. They had taken
him on the helicopter and all us and you know,
the next day we picked him up from the hospital
and he was totally fine. And he was like, you
know who I saw in the hospital, like they hit
him into like the little room where you were recovering
and you sober enough whatever, he said. I said, who riggy?
He said, Bobby Brown, I like what. I like, that's

(46:23):
fucking fantastic. Were dealing with the same ship, something like
what an exchanged, like nights the night before nights like this.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I care. It's a crazy night.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
You know. The SERP took out a lot of people,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know a lot
of people. I wouldn't We don't even really know if
it was what it was or what it was, but
I just put it like this, man, I leave it alone.
Don't do cert it's bad for you. Don't don't do
no drugs. Be honest with you. I don't do no drugs.
I'm telling a half your sober right now.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Nothing nothing, congratulations man.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Was there something that kind of made you just be
like all right, man, it's it's time. I got it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah. It's called living. Yeah, that was it. I was like,
you want to live? Do you not want to live?
And I was like, I chose living.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
What was your Like, I guess you're pick your poison.
Was it drinking? Was it X?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
What was it was drinking?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Drinking?

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, it was drinking. I never got in the pills,
thank god. You know. I dibbled and dabble with a
a C like once and I was just in a
hotel room chewing on a pillow all night, hot chick
next to me, and I was like, damn, I thought
this ship was making horn. It just makes one listen.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
The one time I did see I went through the
same thing. I was like, this girl was sucking my
dad and I literally was like, yeah, I need you
to chill. I need this. I'm grinding my fucking teeth.
I'm fucking the latest fuck.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I'm like, yeah, I'm chilling on a pillow this hot che.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I know why these motherfuckers got mouth cards and it
raves because my teeth, Like, I'm fucking psyched.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I was like, this is I never did it again
out there that was like the nineties. I was like, now,
fuck this, I don't want this ship.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
You know, alcohol is it's the it's the biggest drug though.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
You know, it's a big one.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
It's a big one and you and you become depending
on it because it kind of becomes like a crutch
for you socially, like if you're out with your homies,
I'll take a drink, yeah, or if you go to
a party, like you know, because it's so easy. It's
so easy.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's so easy. You know, you can get it anywhere,
like I'm sure you got balls and.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
It's like and if I was still drinking, I would
that would have been the first thing I would ask
you for when I walked in here.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
If you ever have liquor in the gasoline? Can you
would be you just have the gas the.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Gas drinking, Yeah, liquor in that or some beer.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Or something, yeah, to be I love beer.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
I love I missed. I don't miss alcohol, just the
card alcohol, freezing cold beer. I miss a cold beer.
I miss a corona.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Nothing like a ice cold corona.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, I miss a corona. But I drink the non
alcoholic coronas and they taste just like it.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
They don't taste bad.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
That tastes good. And I drink the Heineken Zeros, which
the Honeken Zeros taste better than the regular Hende because
because I hated Heineg, I.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Got some Asian homies that love the Heineken Zeros.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Asians love Heinekens, by the way. I don't know if
people know that's a thing.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Really.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Oh yeah, Asian motherfuckers love They love Remy and they
love Heineken Dog. They love that brown being the Mese homies,
Heineken and fucking Remy Martine. If you're the goat of
all goats, who is your goat?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
J L L coo J. I love it, man, man,
I love el COO J Man. You know, like he's
done everything in life that I want to do or
have tried to do, and you know he's he's did
uh l L was one of those dudes that could
you know, he could be the hard motherfucker come in here,

(49:37):
kick all of my ass, and but he can also
be funny at the same time.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
And do the fucking sitcom.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Yeah, he can be funny and he can play a
cop and can do this, he can do that, and he.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Can destroy you in a battle the next round and
then the next single.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
I'm talking about why licking his tongue out and being
sexy with a beat you in a rap battle like
l L is just He's just that dude. Obviously, I
had a lot of goats Easy E. You know what
I'm saying. I probably owe my whole career to Easy.
But you know, Easy And.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
What about who would you say is your guys or
your biggest influence in terms of like hip hop moguls,
because you guys, like I said earlier, you guys were
very much independent juggernauts in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
They would come from Easy. Easy was independent, ruthless, ruthless
and uh and a little j rap a lot. And
that's why back in the day you would see our albums.
It was saying Hymnotized Minds Presents against the Boo or
Project Pad.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
It was like, very like, we have to brand this,
we have to right.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I got that from them. Ruthless record presents a lot rap,
a lot record presents this girl, this dude, Willy D
blah blah blah, Like I remember Will D was solo
and he wasn't even with together balls. It was hard
as hell. Yeah, crazy yeah, So yeah that my independent
side came from watching them.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
What about your goat lyricists? Bars only?

Speaker 1 (51:04):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
What about your goat lyrics?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Lyrics?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Bars only? Bars don't got to be record sales nothing.
I'm talking about this lyrically.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Lyrically, Uh, Yellow, yellow Man yelling buck, yelling buck. Because
they two different sizes. I'm gonna give my my Black's.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Got to be another. You guys have done these records together.
You guys have got to do a little truth. I mean,
you got obviously the Slamafia album, and you gotta put
them on songs together, you guys. You guys should do
ten song joint or something that cask You're on the
Caskie album, the Caski album. Me, but I was that
black sheep.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Oh my god. Yeah. I think Yellow is is like
he's an alien. Yeah he don't. I don't think he
get all the credit that he deserves. I agreefully, yeah,
because he's.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Him and rits Man Ritz is incredible to man.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, and u uh yeah yeah, Rich shot Rich.
But the thing about Yellow is, you know, like he's he's, he's,
he's he got one thing that's really really great about
him that that actually I hate. It's really really great,

(52:12):
but I hate it. But it's a good thing though,
It's a good hate. He is so into his art
more than any artists I've ever seen in my life.
And I've worked with Ludacris, two Chains, Drake, I don't
work with the best of the best, and Yella is
the type of dude that we can go in and

(52:32):
make a whole album right now, and if he wake
up tomorrow and he don't like that album, that I
will never see the light of day. He not gonna
put out nothing just to be putting somewhere. He is
so into the art, not saying that those other dudes
will do that, because obviously all those guys drinking, all
those guys put out, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
The way for the sake of the art.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Boy. Now, I don't give us flying back and forth
to Nashville first class flights, twenty five hundred here, twenty
five hundred death. We did seven videos. He never brought
up one of them out. Yeah, it was a black
Fall I.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Was, but by the way that please will put the
fucking Black Fall videos out for fox sake? Yeah yeah,
bro please, But he put it on DSPs like right now.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
If you go on his Instagram you'll see that. Uh.
He only got four four photos up there, and one
of them is my album. Thank god. I was lucky
to get that. But he when he's starting a new project,
it's a full rollout. Everything in his past must go.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Well. That's why he had that month where he was
dropping like an maybe it was a month or he
was dropping like an album a month. He dropped the
album with You, he dropped the riff Raff album.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
He dropped the one would beat be uh out here?

Speaker 2 (53:47):
He dropped four projects.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
When my gout from a from Cypress Hill did he
he did I'll Be Real, the dj.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Oh mugs he did the mugs out.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I was like, Yo, this is very unre I was
on that one. Like when CASKI got that album out
with all the videos to come out with it. I
was like, bro, Wolf must really fuck with you, dog
because the fact he let you kind of take the
reins creatively with these videos. Yeah, and y'all put them
all out.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Yeah, that ships, that's it's not that's not by accident.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, they got a chemistry.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Do you do you remember one for like a whole
year he only posted black and white pictures, Yeah, of course. Yeah,
and then he took all of those down and then
he changes hair red and then it was just a pictures.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
He's got a lot of errors. He's got a lot
of aesthetic errors. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yeah, and I'd just be like, dude, fuck man, like
stop us. But you know, it's it's it's so creative
and it's such a it's such a a great thing.
He's he's just so serious with his art, like he
just he don't he don't play with it at all.
And I've never seen anybody like that.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
You end up doing this record and producing this record
for Drake?

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Can you explain how does this happen? Hoe ends up
on the project? What is the genesis of you and
Drake connecting outside? I believe his dad came up in Memphis.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Right, His dad's from Memphis. Yeah, his dad shout out
his dad. Uh uh. His dad is one of the
one still one of my close friends. Like I'm closer
to his dad and Drake.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
His dad is the kind of guy who if you
go out enough in l A, you're saying, you've had
to have seen Dennis Graham. Yeah, you see Dennis Graham,
but there was a certain time you see you everywhere.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, but yes, Dennis, Dennis loved Dennis loved Delilahs, Delilahs.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, there's like four or five celebrities that if you
go out enough in l A, you're gonna run into
the guy who plays the Black Power ranger. You're gonna
run into ot Genesis. You know, you're running the DJ
Paul and Drake's dad.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, Drake's dad. Now, you won't run the DJ Paul nowhere.
But but so basically I had this beat me and
my artist Tea I produced and it was gonna be
for my album. So on this album I talk about
the gold of all Ghost albums that I talk about
how it took seven years to make this album, and

(56:13):
it was because when I was first starting on this album,
we was first starting on this album twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
that was gonna be one of the first beats that
I used. And I ended up flying to Nashville to
produce some stuff for Yellow Wolfs and I was staying

(56:34):
over my brother's house at that time, and like three
in the morning, I got a DM that said call me,
I need some beats. Excuse me, I need some beats
and it said Champagne Poppy and I was like, I
think this is Drake, but I don't know. But he
had at the time three million followers. Yeah, it was
way more than that. Now I was and I called him.

(56:56):
I called a number and yeah, it really was Drake
and he's like, you know, send me something like two
weeks to turn in this album. So I sent him
the beat that me and T had and he takes
me right back and he said I'm using it, and
I was like really, I was like, wow, that was
that was easy?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I was like okay and uh. And then I didn't
hear back from him no more. And then like two
weeks had passed, and I was like, I don't want
to blow him up. I mean, I do want to
blow him up, but I'm not going to blow him
up because I'm a Capricorn and we don't do that.
So I just shot him a taste. I was like, hey,
you're still gonna use that beat because I was gonna

(57:33):
use it if he wasn't. And he was like, yeah,
I'm gonna use it. And I already use it, and
I put jay Z on it and I'm like what
And I'm looking at the phone like what jay Z?
Like holy fuck? Because obviously jay Z is another king
of course, and I was like goddamn. And they put
it out and you know, LA's radio was playing the
hell out of it when it first came out, and

(57:53):
this and that, and I was like, wow, you know,
I had I met Drake's mother and theihborhood that I
was living in, and I met Drake's mom, and you know,
she thought that I was really cool and really nice guy.
She told him and then he reached out to me,
and you know, that's why he can't burn bridges. And
you gotta watch how you treat people, because what if
I would have been addicted?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yesh, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Addicted nobody now, but you never know, yeah, you just
never know.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Then it ended up turning into that that ended up
on the Scorpio album, which I think is like.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
I think that's Drake's in my opinion, that's my my
last like really favorite Drake album.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
I love that albums here's the albums had like eight million,
eight times platinum, ten times platinum or something like. We
sold so many compets of that albums. A great album
to be a part of. It had that that God
song on.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
It had it had Yeah, God's Plan. God's Plan was
on there. It's the biggest song ever.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's one of the biggest.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I mean, it's incredible album. What was it like being
the Memphis Group on Loud Records at a certain point
in time where Loud Records is the home of Wu
Tang Clan Big pun exhibit.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Uh, I mean there was everybody, man, they had everybody.
You know, it was a it was a blessing because
you know, Steve, Steve Rifkin man you know still today.
My brother just talked to him a couple of days ago.
Great great guy. And Steve was so rich. He's still rich,
but Steve was so rich then that anything Man Juicy

(59:22):
wanted he would be like, give it to him. You know.
He he's so laid back. Yeah, and he'd just been like,
you know, whatever the guys want, whatever you guys want,
and you know he just you know, he just supported
us so so much, man, you know, like because we
started off with Relativity and then we got sent to
a Loud record. All of it was Columbia Son. At
the end of the day, they ended up putting us

(59:43):
with Loud Records and Relativity was great, you know, Cliff
Contrary all those guys. But when we got with Loud,
it was just you know, game changing, like the staff
he had and you know, Liz and everybody that was
working for him.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
That that was it was the first album with him.
When this more clears, I think so yeah, and that
was that was the album. I feel like that popped
you guys in a different way.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, so, you know, they was just they was getting
behind us like crazy, and you know, he was so
cool and oh it was it was you know, I
didn't really even notice the thing about how many New
York artists was on there, because you know, I think

(01:00:28):
I think Bone Night was on there. I know Bone
was on Relativity. I don't think Bone was Bone wasn't
they weren't allowed, but they was on Relativity.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
They were on Ruthless and then I mean I think
after that they were on Ruthless though.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, but they was on I think Relativity put some
stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
They probably maybe I think on lap No Deaf Jamis
who put out the Flesh and Bone album.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But yeah, yeah, but they did. They did some stuff
with Relativity at one point, I think, but you know,
they they had, uh, they had a bunch of different artists.
But I think the good part about us being the
only group that they had from the South gave you know,
gave them was a mission for them, but a cool mission.

(01:01:12):
You know. Sometimes you look for these things that you
think would be hard to do, and you you challenge
those things, you go right after those things. That's happened
with me a lot in my career, well, a lot
of people to be like, you know, like I want
to take this, you know, this this this Paul project
or this three Sis might be project because you know
it's the South and everybody else is scared to touch it.

(01:01:33):
I want to touch it because everybody else is scared
to touch it, you know like, And I think that
was he was just he was he was happy to
take on that project and and get behind Three's Mafia
so much because I don't think he had nobody else
from the South until he formed s r C and he.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Got banner the Mississippi album.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's I don't I can't think anybody else
from the South, the leaks he had exhibit, but yeah,
not from the South. Whose idea was it to take
Triple six Mafia and make it more palatable for the
god fearing folk and make it three six Mafia a
nice medium?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
It was kind of all of our ideas. It was
kind of all ideas. I think I kind of I
think I possibly thought of the three six Mafia, but
it was kind of I thought of trip. I made
Triple six Mafia name. Yeah, I made that name from
from Lord Offamos, a rap that Lord Evermos had, And
I think that when we it was time for us
to bring out the album, you know, we all wasn't

(01:02:30):
decided that, you know, Triple six Mafia is not gonna fly.
You know, first thing we said was like, man, we
ever nominated for an award? Did you know they're not
gonna want to set this name. They're not gonna even
nominate us. You know, obviously we didn't think we was
gonna ever be nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
For it, let alone win.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, but you know, we was thinking ahead of time,
and I just thought it was a good move and
and we ended up doing the people used asked it'd
be like what other three six Manthiel mean. I'd be
like this my old football number.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
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guys have a lot of history with WWE. Uh are
you hip to this new guy, Trick Williams. No, so,
Trick Williams. When he comes out the crowd yells. I
did say that he is like the most popping new
dude in all the rest of it every time he

(01:04:45):
comes out of the crowd. That is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
That's so fun, man, man, WWE Man, that was that
was a fun experience.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
You guys have the Mark Henry record, the Mark Henry
Entrance song.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yeah, they still play that song, still play Yeah, I
know it still on the games because they always they
still clear it with us but I don't know if
it's on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Did you guys like work with Mark Henry on that,
Like did he give you notes or did they just
pick it? Like, how'd that come out?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
It was one It was one guy that made all
of the beats for w W.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
He still is the guy, but I think he's still there. Yeah,
that's so fire, what a great job, what a legend. Yeah,
so he made all of the beats. So he sent
us that beat and then you know, we just wrote
the song to it. Juicy came up with the hook,
and we just wrote the song to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
And now it's gonna be just it's it's forever. It's
like a forever wrestling lord like Mark Henry will always
get a pop Like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Yeah, I saw Mark Henry last year at the airport
in Minneapolis. Yeah, that's super nice appen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
You guys are big movie buffs Choices one and two.
Is there any plans to try to get those on
DSPs or get on Netflix?

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Yeah, I've been talking about that. I gotta get it up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Like we could get it on TV or something Amazon Prime.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Yeah. I need to be on all that. I need
to be on all that. I'm finna get back into movies. Man,
I love movies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I mean I think back to like, It's funny because
when you guys put out The Unbreakables, I was like, oh,
they know ball that was like a people don't know
the movie. Unbreakable was very slept on at the time
with Bruce Willis and Samuel Jackson not all. It was
like a cult favorite kind of at the time. So
when you guys put down it was like, Oh, these guys,
these guys know good movies.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
It's a good movie. But you know a movie that
I've never seen by him was The Sixth Sense. I've
never seen that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, I mean it's the same same director and everything. Yeah,
did you watch the because after the Unbreakables there was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I watched the whole Yeah, I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
There's like two or three, Yeah, there's I think there's
three total.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, I watched one of them. I watched the one
with the dude was crawling like animal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Or what what would you say is your favorite type
of movie?

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Uh, thriller thriller, so like a horror thriller type.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Of the don't have to be hard, just like, oh, thriller, suspense.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
So what's your favorite movie of all time. My favorite
movie off the top of your head, obviously not you
know what comes to mind, Scarface. I got the poster
right there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Everybody got this post.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
That my boy gifted, that one that's like a og
one from like the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I got this post. Yeah. I had this whole
thing painted on the door in my house. One door
was the black side and the other door was the
white side. And I had diamonds on his diamond necklace
that I added on him. Yo, I saw that door
with the house.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
When I saw that house, there was that early two
thousand's uh point in time where like a whole generation
of kids discovered Scarface and the video game came out
and every wrapper had Scarface teasing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, it was like the thing got second. And then
there's Belly, which you know is pretty much the same poster. Yeah,
I love BELLI super Belly's. I always say Belly is
the best worst movie ever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I didn't see nothing bad about that movie. I love
everything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I love everything about it too. But in theory, it's
like it's like a smoothie of all of the gangster
movies we all like just combined. Yah, Hype Williams needs
to make another movie because aesthetically, visually one of the
dopest movies ever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Some of those scenes are CRAZYX was just a great
actor man.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Unlike Nas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Nas was Nas.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
He was like, y'all want to go to Africa? Do
you make that his part?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Though not because Nas Sincere, he he he played the
He played the part that he needed to play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
You don't want to play himself in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Yeah, that's what Jason, what they want.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
He played Tommy Tommy. And then there was Sincere, who
was just nots Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, Nas Nas played his I think Nos did go
because he he played his part. Like you got some actors.
We got a lot of actors out here that that
they be the same person in every movie, and then
they kind of know Jackson, yeah, Sam with Jason kind
of not looking at the Spike Lee movie. At first
Spike Lee move way, he played a cranckhead. It was

(01:09:06):
totally different from men of this other one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yes, I feel like the meat and potatoes of his run.
He was very much like where he was the face
of the movie. Like obviously he's Mace Window and Star Wars,
which is different. He's like the man different. But when
he's like the main guy.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah, but you gotta look at it like this a
lot of times, because I've wrote movies before, and a
lot of time when you write these movies, just like
writing a song, you kind of write for some here,
the feature or the actor that you won't own there.
So you like when they writing this movie, they're like, man,
I want a ship talking old black man, many old
shit talking like Kevin Hart is Freeman, not gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Kevin Heurt's the same guy in every movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Kevin Hart, the same guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Adam Sandler kind of the same guy and everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
But they won't. They It's not saying that, you know,
Kevin Hart is not a good actor. He's a good actor.
It's just that's what they want.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
People like Kevin Hart. He's a likable guy. They want
to see Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Hevin Hard to be to be that. But Kevin Hart
have done some other stuff too, because somebody I haven't
got a chance to catch it, but somebody told me
about another show that he had on TV or a
movie or something. I think it was a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
He did a movie where he was like helping some
handicap dud.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
It was like he was totally different than that he
wasn't good though I didn't see it, but I don't know.
But so he can do he can, he can, he can,
he can do it. It's just like when you when
you looking for that particular kind of character, you pray
and hope that this actor is available to do that part.

(01:10:31):
And to do that part, you gonna tell them on
the set, look, I want you to be as as
Kevin Hart as possible, or as Samuel Jackson as possible.
Speaking of Samuel Jackson, they told me Sammy Jackson when
he was doing those movies with Craig Brewer, I think,
like Black Snake mong They said he can look at
the script like one time, like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I just know it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah, he got like a super good memory or something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Probably you know what. You know what movie? I fucked
with it? Everyone hated it or thought it was I
Love Snakes on a Plane. Man imakes on this motherfucking plane.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah, I know, I'm saying I've never seen the whole movie,
but the director of that is a home alle man.
I saw it back in the day, but it's just
like I was so high and drunk at the time.
I don't really really remember it, but I watched it
because I wanted to support because it was like a
really popular black movie at that time. It had Snoop
and all these dudes in there. But I need to

(01:11:29):
watch it again. The sober me need to go back
and watch a lot of these movies. To be honest
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You have see the six on the Projectpew, which is
your nephew's who I'm a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Son is a little infamous, and then Loco done it
is my brother's son. And man, they hard man, you know,
like people need to pay attention to them. Man, they's
super super hard man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I mean they've been active and doing their thing.
What is it like to just kind of have that
kind of like lineage where you have like yeah, I
mean they're following in your guys' foot steps.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Yeah, that's what I want, you know, Like I teach
him a lot, you know, like Loco has you know,
uh come and stay you know, months years at my house.
You know. I teach him everything because I want him,
you know, to come up. I want I want to
leave it to him because my kids ain't into music,
like right, So Loco was like not you know son

(01:12:21):
for the most part, and that in this music business,
and you know, like I want to see them them
dudes come up, you know, I want to see little
Demus lived the life that his daddy didn't get a
chance to live and you know, and reap the benefits
from from you know, it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Seat for sure. Can you talk speak to it?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
I only got to meet gangsterbo once and it was
a Yellow Wolf trunk music. He had like a release
party here in l A. And I met her that
he did it at a little bar and h this
was when him and mg K got on that album
together for the first time, like after they squashed their beef.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
But she was so nice, man, Yeah, she really really
cool until you pissed off. You pissed off, it was
all hell. But but yeah, she was she was super
super super super nice man. You know, like she was
a game changer. You know, she was a game changer.
You know, she was she was. She brought something to
the South. Obviously we had me and X right, you know,

(01:13:22):
but Gasa bo was different from uh from me X
megs super super hard, but gaisabout was was different. I
don't I don't remember me X being as freaky as
Boo was on the records.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, I think you're probably spot on there. I think
No Limit had the Mercedes chick who did the freaky talk.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah she was a freaking yeah was more like she's
still hot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah for sure. I remember that album cover over rear end. Yes,
great album. Spent him alone time with that advertisement as
a kid, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah. So but but yeah, but was just doing she
was just because she was raised by you know, all
us dudes. You know she would talk about that too.
She'd be like, you know what y'all expect, like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Like inquiring minds. Man, such a great album.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Yeah, I'm gonna steal with all these foods every day, right,
That's what That's what she what she did, man, rest
of these guys, I hate that. I hate that happened. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, she's she's a legend, man. I just want to
give her her flower shots against the buo man. So
go to ball goots. Is this something? Obviously it took
you seven years to make this project. You got the
battery in your back to like keep putting out solo stuff.
You have a lot of clod projects. We just talked
about you and that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
So yeah, I want to make another solo album, but
I probably bring it out next year. I'm gonna make
an instrumental album that I'm gonna bring out this year.
In the solo album, I mean, it's Paul and Freddy album,
and I'm gonna finally finish up this Paul and Crazybone
album Fire and Paul and Young Buck finally put that out,

(01:14:55):
and I know Paul a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Little White, so the noo Little White New like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
New Crazy Bone, Freddy Gibbs, Young Buck and a DJ
Paul an instrumental I want to bring on an instrumental album.
I've been wanting to do that forever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Why don't you just I mean, I mean, obviously do
an instrumental album because then you can kind of tell
story musically. But I feel like anytime you drop an album,
you should also drop the instrumental version. Yeah sure, yeah,
why not? Like there should be the go to, go
to instrumental version, so you get to let motherfuckers wrap
over your shit, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah all the streams count yeah shit, yeah, which they
do really good. Because I beforeto album came out, I
brought out a song called from the Bottom of the Bottom,
and then I put out an instrument of it, and
people are like, man, I just ride to this instrument
all the time. You know, it's like feel good kind
of music, these piano chords that I played on there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
And what is out of all those collab projects we
just talked about, is there is there something that's coming
you know for sure? Like first out of those, Like
is the Crazy Bone thing the thing that the first.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
One they eat? The Crazy or the Young Bug one
of those two of the first because I've been working
on those the longest.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
I think it'd be dope too if you and Don
Tripp did a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Whole project, Don Trump, Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Trips dope star leader on Trip.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
They're crazy. I don't even think I ever met Don Trip,
to be honest, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
No, obviously I know Leo and Don Trip. Yeah, obviously
leaders from Nashville.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Yeah, I never really meant needing one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
You got Tennessee legends.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Man. I started leader once before at the bt Wolves
twenty years ago or whatever, but I never I know.
I don't think I might have met Don Trip. I
really don't remember that. I think it was juice. It
was really really.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
They're going crazy independently right now, like doing their thing.
I feel like you're pretty Yeah, they're definitely tough man
is there something because I feel like you you you
also do a lot of sampling like you you can
get in your sampling bag. Was there ever a record
that you had to change the beat where it never
came out because you can't clear the sample? Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I had to think maybe, I'm sure it was. I
had to think probably was. Who knows you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I feel like if you could do if you and
Wolf ever do like a black Fall, like real follow.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Up, I wish you would have put that album out
through through Shady Shady.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah. I wish you guys would have did it because
it was only four songs. I wish you guys would
have did ten of those fucking things. Yeah, crazy, I
think those are bro production wise, with some of your
hardest beats you've every done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Yeah, that was me and my eyest to you, I
did those crazy. You only got a new project he
just sent me the other day. That's that's really dope
forty five. You heard about this project. It's like it's
mature project. Okay, Yeah, it's like it ain't. It's kind

(01:17:57):
of like singing, kind of rapping kind of thing, but
it's it's so hard, bro, so hard. They sent me
a link to the list of the other day. I
was like, Wow, this is amazing. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Album is out Vinyl hopefully coming soon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Violent CDs, Violent CD's coming out. Man, go get the album,
go to ball Goes. Look, I'm telling you this album
is so hard. Look when I said it took me
seven years to make it, it was you're gonna hear
it in.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
There, and you got big boogie on here, big boogie.
And now you're merging the two generations of Memphis. Man, Yeah, yeah,
it's gotta be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I got Juice of Fruit on there too, which is
female Memphis, you know, young Memphis. So like, y'all check
out Juice Fruit. I'll have it. But you know, the
albums from from front to back. You know, Acon's on there,
a lot of people on there. From front to back.
The album is just it's killing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
All right, man. So you know I say this too.
I'm looking forward to the Crazy Bone album because for
people who don't know you, you Bone Thugs and three
six had a little, yeah, little thing back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
We had to think a few years ago on verses,
but we was always friends.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Though the verses was interesting. Yeah, busy, it would have
been Busy Bone by the way who would have escalated things?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Yeah, because he had to do it. That was he
started it before we even we even went into the verses.
I what do you mean happened?

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
So we I started off all up, so verses came
like us. First, it was gonna be a thing called
the face Off with me and Crazy Ball. We were
just gonna do it on your own, on our own,
on social media, right on social media. And then we
had a schedule, we had flyers made and all that,

(01:19:43):
and about five minutes before we were supposed to go live, Uh,
Crazy Ball didn't go live, and I was like, oh,
what's going on? And uh? And he was like, I
talked to Swiss Beach because they had they knew Swiss Beach.
I knew Switch Beach as well, but they put out
a project through Switch Beast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
He had an album Hustling Flow or No Strengthen Loyalty
was what it was called it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yeah, I didn't know that, so so I called him
like what's going on? He was like, I talked to
Swiss Beasts and he said they want to put it
on a versus and they're gonna pay us to do it. Yeah,
big money too, I might add, So I was like, all,
fuck it, we ain't gonna do it. So it started off,
you know, friendly, like I was like, oh yeah, we're

(01:20:29):
finish students for the culture, celebrate the culture. Three sis
my bone thuh Man Busion Bone did a post here
like fuck that. Fuck y'all niggas. I'm gonna kill y'all motherfuckers.
He was doing like the posters with me getting shot
and beat up and ran train and then chewed up
by a shark and spit out and sit on fire,
all kind of crazy shit. And I was like, I

(01:20:51):
was like, okay, I ain't prison rules. We were running
prison rolls. I made one back this and him, you know,
talking about beating them up and this and that, and
it just kept going back for he make one beating
me up, and I make one beating them up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
And now I was having a meme battle, yeah mean battle.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
That ship was getting crazy and it showed me phone
down some stairs and and I was like, I was like,
all right, I can't. And then as soon as we
walked down on stage, everybody else is shaking hands. He
ain't shake nobody, and he just looking like them, but
looking looking I was like, oh, here we go. Here
we go here we go losing up, bro, And then
you know, he threw the battle. He threw that cast

(01:21:28):
lit or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
He was like a weird ass for whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
She said, Oh man, take it man, so you get
hit after that, you know, after that he went off
stage for a while. He calmed down, and he came
back out and he hugged me, and you know we
talked to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Did you guys talk after now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
We just see each other. After I was taking I
saw I saw Lazy Bone after we took some pictures
and hung out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
But Lazy Coole is the fan. Man, It's so cool,
crazy cool is the fan. Bro. The busy boy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Turned up visit like man, fun This is because Busity
is the only one that I don't see, like, you know,
I see the rest of them all the time. Like
is he Bonies an enigma? Yeah, he loved he lived
in Houston. He's like he stayed away from from all,
you know, everybody. So he's the only one that I
never had to build a relationship with. But the funny
part about it is he did a verse for me

(01:22:14):
back in like twenty fifteen. That's easy, no, no problem
at all. He did a verse with me and uh
that it was cool. So you know, I didn't know
where all of that came from. But but you know, like,
but well, we talked about it and he just, you know,
he told me he just wanted to pump up the show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
I mean, I mean, listen, you guys got a viral
moment during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Now, I'm so glad he did that. I wouldn't take
nothing back. I wouldn't take nothing back. He did.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Streams pribly spiked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah, he made it. One of the best verses ever
in my book.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Steve Lobel's up there just fucking try to hold it together.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
He don't know who side.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
He's friends with everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:22:52):
Everybody, and man, this shit was. It was wild. It
was a fun moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Before you I wanted to ask you a group that
obviously is influenced by you guys, that you guys had
some legal stuff with, was the Suicide Boys. You guys
settled the lawsuit. You guys ever have any communication with
those guys?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Nah, I haven't. I never met them before in my life,
but you know, we cool now. We even talked about
doing the tour together, So we're cool now. I would
have been I was cool with them. The whole time. Like,
you know, I didn't never had no issues with those dudes.
I never met him. You know, I wish I wish
I would have. I wish I would have met him.
I talked to one of them, scream, I think the
name of this. I talked to him once, long, long,

(01:23:30):
long time ago. I think through Cousta Nica because I
think Cooper got cooled to him at one point. But
I never had no issue with them, man. You know,
like I think those dudes are jamming, and I think
they really dope, and hopefully we could figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
And yeah, I mean they're obviously heavily influenced by you guys.
They've obviously Yeah, he got kid.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I saw a video of him as a kid talking
about I listened to three season Gangs Boot all day.
He was like fourteen years old.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
So and they're doing it. I mean, I feel like it'd
be crazy if you guys eventually when you got when
you and Juicy get together, now, it obviously has to
make sense financially, like is there when is the timing
right for that? Is it a tour?

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Hey? You know, there's an opportunity for us to go
do this together.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Well, we already been touring, no, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
I mean I got to see you guys with with
with Jelly, which was incredible, But.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
As an album far as music, yeah, at some point,
you know, like we haven't. We're kind of dibbling and
dabbled here and now a little bit about talking about
like some remixes of some of the other stuff, but
we haven't. We haven't talked about a new project. But
you know it might happen, you know. I'm I'm I'm
really just finding myself. Yeah, my solo career. I feel
like I put out some solo solo stuff here and

(01:24:42):
there back then, but you know, I didn't really I
didn't really know much about it back then. Like I
didn't know the streaming game. I put it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
I was right right whole new, Like like I said.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
I had to relearn all of us online marketing, you know,
when I put out those old solo solo tapes of mind,
you know, ten fifteen years ago or whatever, like I
had like one hundred thousand, seventy five sixty five thousand
followers on social media. I didn't have that. You know,
I got more now, so you know, and now I

(01:25:13):
know more about it on how to promote the market
is so, you know, I'm just gonna run some more
of these up and then you know, obviously just still
doing this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
I feel like you guys got a crazy festival running
y'all soon. Like I feel like one year we're gonna
just like wake up and like the whole summer is
just gonna be Like remember when outcasted their festival run
like ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
I think that was like the end of day when
they called it quis right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
No, no, no, no, it was after all that it was
like two thousand, because I heard it was like twenty fourteen,
fifteen they did Coachelle. I feel like we need the
Coachella Triple six Mafia, Sex did Coachella. Oh, you guys
already did it. We did it Less Show, Oh you
got Ce. You guys already did it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
It was crazy. We did both weekends. Man, it was
so fun. Man, we killed Coachell. You can watch it online.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Yeah. Well, I mean, look, man, I think the world
in which you guys are at least on stage together
is a good world. So that's good. Here, Yea, the
album is out, Go support it, Go to all goats, Go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Get the album. Man, go get it right now. I
guarantee you, man, you're gonna love it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Year Man, I'm year twenty four tracks. Artwork is crazy,
production is crazy. You did all the beats?

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Yeah? I did all of them myself, three three uh three.
Two of them was with me and my rs t
Y and one of them was with a guy named
h a j Adam or Detroit a J. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Last question, because this is a good this is a
good TikTok, give me your top five rapper slash producers.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I was with doctor Dre yep, and I don't know
a lot of them, be honest. Ya Kanye of course,
duh Kanye for sure. I love Kanye. I mean there's
Juicy J two just Jay obviously. And who else is
a rapper producer? Him? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Tyler the creator, Tyler the creator, producers, Tyler creator.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Rapper producer love Tyler creator.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
He's so fucking good man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, I saw him at the movies the other day.
Eric Shermon, Eric Sherman, Yeah, obviously, and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yo low Key J Cole, Yeah, J Cole, J Kobe
making some beats, man, I know it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I just realized that I want to do something with
j Cole.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
One day Eminem two had some ship. When he Eminem
was in his little pocket making beats. He was a
yeah he had a pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
But well, listen, man, I appreciate you coming through your legend.
Go get the album. It's out now. Looking forward to, uh,
the rest of the year, and looking forward to these
collab projects you got on the way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Go to All Goats, Go to All Goats.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
DJ Paul bo