#645 - Berner On New Book, Cookies Lawsuit, Turning Down 10M, Splash City Movie, & New Chris Brown Album

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what up you guys. As your boy Burner, I'm
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(00:49):
rich and leave a legacy written by this guy Burner
in the building. Man's put that thing right there.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
That congratulations. Man, right on bro, I feel like this
has got to be Some people might say this is overdue,
but I feel like it's perfect timing. But how's the
reception been. It's been out about a week now, But.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Honestly, I think I got like more love on this
and fucking music I release, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Do you feel like because you know you have so
much because you actually have a very interesting backstory just
kind of how you came up as a kid and
you know, bouncing back and forth California to Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
But that is the one thing when you you are
like this enigma of like a success in music where
you are a successful rapper by any metric, but you
were able to parlay whatever success you had in the
rap game at the same time you're doing your shit
in the weed game. You end up on Forbes magazine,

(01:50):
and I'm sure it's just the number one thing people
come at you. It's like like I need the game,
I need I need, I need the advice. Like well,
you know, like like it was that the main motivation
for you to finally kind of put a lot of
this stuff out there.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, that monks, Like there's been a lot of things
going on with cookies as well, so I wouldn't really
wanted to address it in this book too. Kind of wait,
I'm like, I can go talk about this shit on
podcasts or I can go like a talk shit on
Instagram or Twitter. I'm like, I'm gonna wait and do
this like a real man, and is kind of address
it in my book book list forever, right, Yeah, I
had to take you know, for about three years I've
been taking shit on the chin smear campaigns. People's you know,

(02:26):
narrative of what's going on, what's been happening. So it
was just good to talk about in the book. And
uh if that's that along with like, yeah, when people
see me, they do ask me for advice, like yo,
like I would love to get one piece of advice room,
and I always give it to him monk. I should
probably lay that in the book, you know, can you speak?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I mean, obviously, I know a lot of the lawsuit
stuff is very it. You're in the middle of a
lot of the shit, right and it's got to be
a frustrating thing to like go through all of this
legal stuff. When you'll see headlines pop up on you know,
certain sites or blogs or whatever and probably not be
in the best position to just be as open and

(03:03):
honest with the details as you want to be and
kind of create, you know, steer your narrative, but as
much as you can speak about some of the lost
to suit stuff and the battle for cookies, if you will,
what is essentially the gist of it.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, first thing first, Like, it's probably the most draining
situation ever see things pop up online. You can't say
anything about it. You have to stay got suck and
people probably don't know that. They probably just think I
don't give a fuck or I'm not whatever. But I
can't say shit about shit, and it sucks. Like I'm
a rap cat dude. I'm a street dude before all
this la. I like to build a dress things when

(03:40):
it happens, so I have to stay quiet. That sucks.
But like I guess the best way to describe and
the best way to speak honest, Like when you build,
some very very big people are and try to take it. Yeah,
and when you look like us, people are gonna try
to take it even more right. And so I've just
been fighting for what's mine. Fighting for what I built,
is trying to keep the brains alive. Everything else is irrelevant.

(04:00):
I'm not really worried about the money side of things
when I just want to keep the brand that we
all kind of built relevant. That's it. Like, Cookies is
a motherfucking it's a thing. Yeah, it's touch the whole world,
not just here in California, not just the United States.
It's touch the whole world. So I just feel like
I got it, especially after the cancer thing. I gotta
see this shit through. And when I say see it through,
I have to make sure Cookies can be and will

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be everything it should be. You know, do you.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Because there's obviously Cookies is such a large enterprise, and
the brand extends into so many different areas. I mean,
you know, obviously outside of the dispensary side, the flower side,
the THHCA side, the clothing brand, they're all very separate.
Like whatever is going on, Like if we go to
Zoomies and there's a clothing drop at Zoomi's or your

(04:50):
summer line drops on the clothing side, that's totally separate
from whatever's going on on the dispensary side on the
flower side. Are you essentially because the ip the name Cookies,
are you ever worried that you're going to lose that
or is it more about just because some of the
lawsuits stuff is like to me, it's like it's it's

(05:11):
it's almost like you have a defamation case too, you
could roll with on the other side.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I mean, it's crazy. If when I get through this,
I'm definitely going pursue that because the fuck I've been
dragted to mud It's been insane. But I feel like, yeah,
I mean the eyepiece, it's a Cookies as F No
one ever really knew that, you know, like the IPE
sits at a Cookies SF and I'm a majority owner
of Cookies SF, So I feel like.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
You're like eighty eighty five percent something like that, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, So you know it's I'm not really worried about
losing the IP, but that's what people are trying to
fight for.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So people are trying because at the end of the day,
it affects I mean, the clothing companies for fifty million
dollars a year or something crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But I went down. Now it's not doing that much anymore,
but it was, yeah, it was, And I feel like
things just need to be consolidated under one and that's
what I'm working on right now.

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(06:40):
your actual friend in real life, you know, when we
have this discussion. So it frustrates me when I see
people try to like kind of question your integrity or
or like your integrity being questioned in general. Would you say,
it's kind of the genesis of a lot of these issues.
Are just picking the wrong partners, picking the wrong people

(07:02):
to do business with.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Partially picking the wrong investors, but partially just like there
was just thirst when we went legal to be the
one guy that makes it right, like and when we
went legal and UH with propositions in two sixty four,
people everyone was trying to race it to be that
one brand. It's kind of like the dot com era.
Everyone wanted to be that one brand.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Like the trapper version of the dot com era, and.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And people thought there's gonna be this moment where this
one brand gets acquired. So I feel like it's like
the wrong investor, but also like just like the thirst,
are just trying to be to have control that one thing.
For me, it's like you have to think of why
cookies pop. Cookies pop because we have incredible flour, had
a great megaphone. I was the first to do it.
I was putting products in the right people's hands, and

(07:49):
shit was just fucking buzzing and moving. So naturally people
all around wanted to do things. I want to do
this with you. I want to do this with you.
I want to do this with you. I think that
in like in our expansion, while we're trying to build
this thing out, a combination of like picking some of
the wrong people to do certain things for us, and
having the wrong investors that wanted to kind of control
the show and bring in like people that didn't really

(08:11):
make sense to the company. It's kind of got weird.
I think that there was just excitement, there was just thirst.
There was just like energy around cookies. That's like, I've
never seen nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
It's also something that you've never had to deal with.
It's not like this is like your tenth thing you've
built up.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
This is used to I'm used to working and creating.
I always just want to get back to being creative.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, I feel like too, Like you know, in the book,
to me, everything was very intentional with kind of like
the scarcity exclusivity of cookies. Initially it always felt like
kind of like the supreme of the Wed game, you know.
And I feel like the branding, whether it was like
the blue you picked, how did you come up with

(08:52):
the cookies blue by the way.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Just popped like shout out to Shemp, shout out to
photo doctor. When you made very legend and when you
made the logo, you know, kind of just talking about
the vibe you want to see and when I seen
that blue. I'm like, that's it.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's like distinct, It's a distinct blit.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It was the way that the blue popped on the
black hoodie with them blue strings on it. Like I
found the same exact color on the string that mister
Fat laces the fat laces, and so I'm like, that
shit just looks incredible on the black and Pops is friendly.
It looks familiar, go ahead and wrong.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I always tell people when they're looking to see if
they're Cookies hoodies fake, I always say what color the strings.
It was very hard for you to find like a
black Cookies hoodie with a black strings.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like yeah, man, we're probably like the number one bootleg
brand in the world.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I feel like like that, dude, it's up there. Man.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
There was times where like Homeland Security would hit us
up and say we got like a whole ship it
container full of fucking this and that. God damn, Like
people have just been people made and that's the thing.
The cookies made a lot of people money, whether people
got the cuts back in the days, whether people were
partner with us and doing their thing, whether people raise
money under their name, whether people are bootlegging, like we

(09:59):
made a lot fucking people money, going back to like
the exclusivity, Like that's all I'm doing now, Like all
I ever wanted to do is create some of the
best herb to share with people and and put it
in the right people's ants, Like I want people to
enjoy good herb. And I feel like right now, as
I rebuild my shit, so about a small batch, really
really good menu, and if you get it, you get it,

(10:21):
and if you enjoy it, you love it, then you're
blessed to be able to get it. When you get it.
I feel like no one really wants mass produced, at
least when it comes to flour. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, I think like I mean, you could speak to
it because you just said it yourself, like as you
rebuild this, because I don't feel like you guys ever
really win anywhere. But obviously know that, Like I kind
of know more than most people about kind of what's
been going on. But there is kind of like in
the same way there is in the rap game, Cookies
has kind of turned into like the Coca Cola weed,

(10:49):
if you will, Like you were the biggest brand, right
and it got to the point where if you painted
a failing dispensary the right color blue and put a
sign on there. It became an unfailing it became a
successful place.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, so yeah, but not yeah. So basically like some
of the partners, and we have incredible partners around the nation,
I love them, want to show respect to them. I'm
super juice that we're able to work with so many
dope people. But there's a few bad seats. I thought
that they just painted the building blue would work, like
they didn't really think about providing the right product, the flower,
having the right experience. And so that was the battle

(11:25):
of mind. When you're when you're expanding so fast, when
you're trying to go in hyper growth mode, you have
to do things that sometimes doesn't make sense for your
heart but makes sense for the brand. And also in
the last few years, I didn't really have control the
way I wanted to. I could confidently say now for
right now, at least, the controls back in my hands,
and the focus is very simple, new menu, quality and less.

(11:47):
That's all I want to do. That's all I want
to do. Like we've already planted a flag the whole
world know what the cookies is. Right to go now
is to go back and down the shit in every
single market.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, because because for you, the hardest and most frustrating
part is a weak con source to know that like
there it's hard to do quality control when you have
so many different partners that have their own cultivations and
you're trusting the weed quality in a lot of people's
hands well throughout the country.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know what the problem is. It's like, we have
incredible partners around the country. There's people growing incredible weed
for us, I think with the biggest problem for us
is like trying to be the first in the market
that only had limited licenses and like somewhere like can
like Baton Rouge or something like that. There's only two
growers two and they don't And if you want, if

(12:35):
you want to have your brand present to be first
in that market, you have to kind of just to
partner with people have to do it.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
There's only two growers, you understand, there's two two options
of and and they don't.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
They might think the same way we think about quality
about what flowers are like, So now I'm I'm like, okay,
we've seen what happens when that happens like that, we
need to be in every single market first, or do
we need to find the best partners or wait for
the best situation to represent our brand properly. Right when
you have investors and we have things like that, they
want to push you to, well, you certain numbers.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
You have to hit.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's like you got to come on. But now it's like, Okay,
let's just sit back. Let's just make sure the brand
is supposed to be. And that's all I really care
about right now. But when you go into a market
that doesn't have like seasoned cultivators, it's not because we
don't know how to grow weed. It's like we're licensing
our brand out, trying to be in the first in
a certain market. And when you do that, you're in
jeopardized quality.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It happens.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
And I feel like, if it was up to me
at that time, I maybele to focus on manufactured problems.
This is some really good pens, some really good pre rolls,
but like, let's wait to drop the flower until's one
hundred percent out. And that's the thing I can sleep
at night now knowing is like it's back in my
hands as of right now. So focus on quality, bro.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's it. What about because you would obviously like you
and I had a lot of discussions about trying to
get dispensaries going in certain places, Phoenix one of them.
Now you have one in Phoenix. Shout out to the Nirvana.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Nirvana had it for a little bit, but now I'm
partnering with Ethan. We have the helfare. Yeah, we have
cookies Tampede, which is.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Right by Arizona Mills.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, now we dialing. Then we're about started doing Delhi
style so you could partly out the jar right there.
Fire we have a fire ass cultivator lockdown. We have
new menu going so about three months cookies as he's
about be turned around.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Right by easy mals Man.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
We got to know the location of Phoenix coming soon too.
But that's the cool thing is like even in New Jersey,
like we're dialing in the Flower in New Jersey. Got
some incredible partners. But you would have like other options.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
You'd be like, hey, we could do a lemonade or
we could do like is lemonade still a thing that
you're it's a thing, But I want to turn that
back to what it was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
That was supposed to be like a sativa based menu
with like very very flavorful sativa. That was what it
was supposed to be, not like a whole concept of
stores and stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Right right, right, right right now. That makes sense, man,
So you end up getting your your your mom passes away. Yep,
he was your mom's birthday on eleven eleven? Or was
that the day she passed?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Eleven eleven is a birthday?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Her birthday?

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, So your mom passes away from cancer. Obviously terrible
thing to lose a parent of cancer. I know it
affected you a lot. You get left with whatever's left
in her IRA account. I believes, like nineteen k it.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Was thirty g's. But if I cash out at the time,
it'd only be nice. You get hit with the capital
gains and early taxation early shit, Yeah, pulling out.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
So you end up with nineteen thousand dollars? Right, how
do you dispense as a young guy who'd already kind
of been trapping and you know, doing your thing is
the nineteen thousand dollars invested? Like, how do you invest
that nineteen grand? Is it studio time? Is it?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah? So like I'll tell you exactly how I invest it.
So basically, like people just think that maybe I just
got this nineteen g's and started cookies. Now it was
housing hard. And what was happening at my life at
that time was the FEDS were pulling me off the planes.
Would you also had like money in a back in
your backyard? Yeah, bro was usting like every other trapper.
But what happened is I took a serious series of losses.

(15:55):
And that's why it kind of reminds me of like
with the position I'm in right now in life.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Because I can't already have done that on a small sho.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So back then at that time, I took a series
of losses. Yeah, I got series of losses. So when
of the spots got robbed, lost some shit utransit had
dea fucking with me at the airport, had people pulled
me off the planes counting my money right there in
the airport. Shit was getting hot, right. I invested a

(16:21):
bunch of money in music. I took that last little
twenty bands I had buried my mom's spot and put
into the Yoko record with Chris Brown, right, big Grit,
And so I was like, okay, yeah, big Krit, Chris Brown, Whiz.
So I was like, okay, now here I am with
zero money left, right, shits I can't keep trapping no more.
That's exactly when I walked away. I'm like, I'm done,
it's over right, And I was like, what do I do? Right?

(16:42):
So I'm sitting there, I've got baby money, I'm playing
with you. I And this is just when I got
some crazy ass information that was really really bad. It's
like this a siding factor for me walking away, and
I'm like, okay, what do I do now? Like I
got music I put out, it's not really paying, Like
it's cool. I got all these albums done, Like what
do I do now? And my brother hear me like, look,
you know mom left this as IRA. It's about thirty bands.

(17:03):
You can just you know, sit on it into a
certain date and cash it, or you can cash it
early and probably take a little bit extra bread. So
I'm okay, do I cash his little bread and go
recop and start building up again. I'm like nah, because
I already know shit's hot and music. I already did
a bunch of music. So I was like, you know,
I'm gonna go put this into the bank acount and
try the clothing again. At this time, i'd done clothing.

(17:23):
I tried to do cookies, clothing, but I pressed up
the wrong sizes. I made terrible designs. I did a
bunch of women's clothing and didn't sell it all. So
I was like, do I try it again with the clothing.
I'm like, fuck, I think I give it a shot again.
And I just launched a Yoko with you, like literally
like a week before video too, and I was wearing
that the cookies demon right, and I want to go
sit down with this guy, what's his name. It's like Mazzi, Mazzie, Mazzie,

(17:47):
you know the kid. He's like a tech dude from
the Bay. He has a ponytail. He works with some rappers,
and shit, I want to go sit down with him.
I never gave him his props on this, so I'm
a given now. And I'm like, bro, what do I
do with the clothing? I was like, you know what
you need to do? Limited expensive? He said, the one
day you were just wearing in that video, do one
hundred hoodies for one hundred bucks. I'm like, really, fuck,

(18:09):
I can't even sell fucking five of these for fucking
thirty five bucks. He's like, ex, it's not packaged, right,
I'm like, you know what? Fuck it? So I went
to printed the blue hoodie, the black hoodie with the blueprint,
pulled the blue strings to I put on my Instagram,
I'm gon do one hundred these for one hundred bucks tomorrow,
ten am boom go on ten bands. And I started
running that program. I said, I did the red one,

(18:29):
I did the gray one, I did the Raiders color way.
Sold out in thirty seconds, one hundred of them. Wow.
And I ran that up until I got to one
hundred grand. And that's how it started moving. And so
it was like, it's weird because I already had money.
I was already getting money. And right around that time
when the clothing started popping, gets what started popping too?
The weed shit, the music shit, the music shit. Yeah,
God bless me, Bro, the universe blessed me. As soon

(18:51):
as the clothing started working, music, money start happening.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, I mean at that point in time, like you're by,
I would assume around the time the clothing starting to
take off. The Taylor Gang relationship is more so, everything
started happening at once, right because right after that video
with crit I started.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Building with the Whiz and when he signed me, my
shit started getting nosed a little more so I felt
like shows started happening. I was getting paid to come
to Kansas City, to come to Ohio, to do shit
in Fresno. I was like, I started to making like
cool iTunes checks, you know what I'm saying. My check
started becoming like twenty grand a month. I'm my damn.
Everything kind of fell in place. But that nineteen G's
was a catalyst for me to go ahead and print

(19:25):
up those hoodies and to do those limited hoodie drops
and just go crazy with it. And that's that's how
exactly I flipped that shit. Wow. So the finding it like,
were you're getting printed locally in the Bay? Hell yeah, yeah,
that's fire.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
So you said you had got a little bit of
information that had kind of given you some foresight not
to go back into the trapping side. Was it like
that that the boys were on you tough?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, I mean they were there. They're fucking me at
Laxa this day. I do not fly in LX. I
hate it when I have to. But they were pulling
me off the plane every time I go through lax
and also in the Bay, and they pulled me off
the plane, they go through my bags. They tell me
they knew certain things about certain people, and I was like,
what are you guys doing this in public for? Like,
they're not putting me in the back room. It's not
like they're arresting me. They're just fucking me hard. The

(20:11):
information on got kind of just confirmed that shit was
just all bad, right, that they they thought they knew something.
They were totally wrong. If you're giving them, if you
if you keep kind of giving them reasons to sniff
around like me and you know, yeah, dad, assumptions about
what I was doing, they're completely off. They're completely wrong.
And it was just a good warning sign for me, like, look,
they don't know what you're up to, but they're definitely interested,

(20:31):
so you might as well step the fuck away.

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Bay before this Yoko record, right for sure. You had
full albums with MESSI, Marv JACKA. Was that were you
able to cause? I mean, if you think back to
that kind of like nine twenty ten like era of
like the Bay, like people are still buying CDs. I'm
sure you have, but some sort of distribution.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
No school, I was fucking with City Hall Records and Ghazia.
It took me from Ingrus to Empire. But the thing
I was like that was like my hypergrowth mode. Back then,
I was like putting the money into the music. I
was paying for good beats, paying for good covers, paying
for good features, like I was putting money into it.
So whatever love of money I made was kind of
obsolete because I always put more than I was making
into the projects. But by the time all the shit

(22:23):
started hitting, whether it be the clothing of the situation,
whiz or just whatever, all that money I put in
started paying off big time.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Was the White Album, like the first album where you
were like getting some decent rap money, Yeah, because that
was like twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, White Album, like right after weekend at Bernie's,
Like that shit kind of kicked in with the White
Album started getting paid. Yeah, forty six albums, I think
like forty six, four seven like that, and now yeah,
it's over forty five. Recently you got offered I think
ten million dollars for your catalog.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I know you haven't like get your label Chowders here,
who's on Burn one a lot of people like, would
you know I think I think, by the way, a
ten million dollar evaluation on independent catalog, it's amazing, bro,
it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
If the kid back then that was fucking taking everything
he made from tree and everything else he was doing
to put into albums just to have fun making music,
knew I can get ten million dollars from that, even
though the guy I am now, ten million dollars is
not a little check. And it was really really hard
for me not to do it. And I guess what
the deciding factor was was that, like I lose my

(23:29):
I lose my control over like certain things, little things
like if I saw my catalog for Tamil, the company
I was gonna buy, it would not allow me to
use music in my recap vlogs or like and things
like that anymore, which is crazy. Or like if if
I was gonna do like a content for cookies, like
a new product with these, I couldn't even use the
beat in the background anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
So like you're gonna be able to use your own
songs in your shit.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And we have such a good catalog as far as
like beats going, like we love to use my beats
for all the cookie shit we do. I'm like, he sure,
you don't want to let me use that. It's only
you bring more attention to Caldier than you can't use that.
You have to ask us first. So it wasn't I
couldn't use it, but I have to ask every single time.
I'm like, you know what, I want ten million dollars,
but in California, ten million dollars are really only five
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
And then you know, yeah, it's not I mean, at
a point in time, it's like you'd rather just get
that residual check every month.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
And then you have to think that the ten million
dollars is based on like a ten year projection, so
I'm making like a million year off my music anyway.
So it's like, okay, I guess what really put in
perspective is like my son's only two at the time,
he's only one, So I'm like, in ten years it'll
be eleven, he'll be eleven, and that means like that
he'll never see music off my work again and see
money off my work again.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, even if that million dollars goes those down one
hundred kro whatever, whatever, it's the principle and that's what
they try to tell me, like, you know, look, we're
looking at catalogs.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
You know, every year to kind of a little like
you know what, that's flying, bro.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Because you're also going to keep putting music out.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, And also like I like to think that I'll
be successful in the film space and like things like
that I could use my music to score a film.
And like, I'm like, I'm not gonna sell this shit
for ten million dollars right now? Was it hard? Do
I think about your day? Hell? Fucking yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I mean I feel like too, man, Like you're I
feel like, at this point in time, you do music
because you love it. Yeah, for sure, passion theretic for you,
it's therapy for you, and you're kind of to me,
it's like kind of like your escape from all this
other funck shit you gotta do with sure a billion
dollar company, And like, I don't know, man, I feel
like I feel like a lot of artists, if they

(25:26):
need it, they should take it. But you don't need it.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
Nah? So did I did think about this on some
business mansion? Like I could take that ten million dollars
and make it into probably thirty or forty pretty easily, right, Like,
but I'm like, I want my son to get a
rap check one day. I want him to like inherit
my empire, but like have that residual coming in from

(25:49):
music one day. I want my daughter Janelle, who's been
there through all this. She used to be in the
background in the Roman making the White album. She saw
me make music. If she saw me going tours when
she was a kid, I was actually away a lot
because I had to make music and move around. She
should benefit from that.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
You should benefit from the sacrifice that you had to
take care. You don't do a lot of vinyl drops.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I need to do more.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Bro. I feel like if every time there's like an
anniversary for an album, you did like a limited run
of yeah, because people.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Buy them, Like I signed a lot of vinyls for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
If you did, like, okay, you know, I don't know
what are we approach it. It's the twenty six what
I'm you dropping twenty sixteen packs? Yeah? If you did
like a packs like cookies blue Vinyl, like sell five
hundred of them?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Dog do what that? Yeah? I feel like also, I've
been so distracted with cookies and everything's I've never had
a chance to really work my catalog.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah, because the rap game, like your catalog is, there's
must be chunked on the table.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
And then you know what else? You know what else
I thought about, like the Rest in Peace? Did Jacka
and Young Dolph and all the people I worked with
that are no longer around. DMX. I got a record
with DMX. It's like, I don't want to sell that shit, bro,
Just hold on to it, man, Yeah, it's it's important
to me.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
What did you ever because you're you know, most people
don't get any songs with Chris Brown, let alone multiple
songs with Chris Brown. Christ what was that relationship like?
And did you ever try to bring him into the
weed game at all?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
No, it was not ever's for some reason, me and
Chris were just cool. Like I paid him that one
time for that first feature.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
What was the Yoko bag?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Twenty bands? It's not bad man, back then, I had
him for that in the video, So twenty bands back then?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Then he ends up on Urban Farmer too, I think.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah, So like it was like we built from there.
And his cousins were hella cool. You know what I'm saying.
Shout out to Keys and Twine, like they were just
hella cool and like we were just vibing around, smoking
bud and hanging out and shit like that. And so
after we did Yoko, everything else we did was just
on the love. Like even like recently I released a
record called what I call it? It was me and
him and Whiz. It was crazy. He used to be

(27:54):
called Batman. I don't think that's what it was called.
I forgot what it was called. But that fool was
just as cool as fuck as it. Yeah, I got you,
Oh good release it, you know. So he's he's been
a super good dude to work with. He's a hell
of talented and uh, I'm glad he wrapped up my
shit because he snapped on that. He was incredible.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Man, He's like our Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And it's kind of crazy, like full just will do
records with like people he foxed.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
With, Like I was, I deserve all those Chris Bawn records,
those fucking records for fire Dude.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
You when you and Nipsey did wax Room, was that
a paid feature or was that natural thing? Now?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It was natural? Man, Nick Nipsey is cool as fuck.
Man recipes to Nipsey. He was one of the few
rappers that ever gave me props on my music. Everyone
else say we ship whatever. He was like, man, you
shit is dope. Like he also gave me propsing he
told me that, you know, one of the last thing
he told me. He's like, you did for the world
cookies what Dre did for the word chronic facts. He's like,
that's big. I'm like, damn, that's a gem right here.

(28:47):
Though it's a gem. But Nipsy's cool as fuck. Man.
I think I've told this story before. I'll tell it
to you. But he did the verse on GP. I
pulled up in a cab to his studio out there
was a bunch of homies in the room and me
right hey listened to record. He did it right there
in front of me. I was like, damn, I can't
bolow just by myself to wherever he was at. And
I was like, damn, this fuil blessed me. I'm like,

(29:07):
y'all want to shoot the video. He's like, it's all good.
So I came down later to shoot the video. He
didn't show up. I called him like three or four times.
He didn't answer. I'm like, you know what, I'm not
gonna blow this guy up like he did the verse
on GP. It is what it is. I just maybe
not released the video. He called me in and said,
I said, look, I was doing some real life shit.
I might even get into it. But call the camera

(29:27):
guy that shot your shit, have him come see me
so it's consistent, and bang my verse out for you.
He did it, and I'm like, damn, that fools a
real one.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Like he just was very very solid, dude, We're supposed
to do a bunch more and we talked about doing
a bunch of we shit too, And I would love
to connect with Black Sam to see some of those
saying Shree we had a really really cool cookies collaboration
with his clothing line, and we had some other things
we wanted to do, so I would love to reconnect
with Sam see that.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Through you have expanded into so many different areas, whether
it's you know grinders and you know shredders or you
know Vibes papers. What has kind of been the biggest
specifically with the Vibes papers. I know you talked a
little bit about kind of the smoke with Josh on
No Jumper, but what has been the biggest uphill battle

(30:16):
with vibes in general, you.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Know, with vibes, I think the biggest problem has been
that it's just it's just, uh, it's a very tough
industry to be in rolling papers. You know, it's cool
if you're gonna make them just to give him way
or have him like his merch or something like that.
If you really want to be a rolling paper company,
God damn, it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Is it a market share thing? Is it a I
think it's a combinations. It's a combination of market shares.
You know, dominant players that have them monopoly on things
and just do well. Like I gave Josh his props
on No Jumper.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
He's the biggest for sure, and he's seen thot. He's
from my hometowns.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
He's the biggest, and he has that ship in a chokehold.
And so if you're gonna try to put them out,
that's gonna be with him. You gotta just be ready
for everything that comes with that. And like I feel like,
you know, I would love to keep I got vibes
out in my hand right, and we have some cool products.
I think the Cabano is amazing. Any think the Callies
are the first cylinder of stuff football product is and
saying that no one's even to put those out. Uh,
you know, we have the fatty line we did. But

(31:09):
I'm like, I don't really know if I want to
keep putting all my energy in there because I just
can't beat the big dogs.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Are you gonna kind of like ease off of the
vibes thing?

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't know now. I don't want to use off it,
but I don't know if I can put as much
energy as I did before into it, because I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like, is the juice worth the squeeze exactly?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I'm not saying I want to beat the big dogs,
but even to sit next to the big dogs in
order to actually make some real bread, it's gonna take
a lot, a lot of energy. I think I'd rather
put that in the cookies. Right now. I feel like
cookies deserves all my energy. There's a lot of things
to clean up, a lot of things to fix. I'm like,
do I want to put all my shit into vibes?
But I just want to focus on cookies. I think
I need to focus on cookies. Cookies is a big, big, big,

(31:47):
big deal, and I'm like, I'm gonna keep vibes going
don't get me wrong. In some I smoke, I'm smoking
vibes right now. You see the logo right there, Boom
is my paper. Yeah, I'm rerittally integrated for myself at least,
But I feel like I need to see this through
and then I could go ahead and and read that.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Would you partner with like a bigger like a zigzag
or like a somebody like that where you kind of
like they kind of are able to have like a
they kind of take over the So I said it earlier.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't know if people caught it, but I like
to be creative. Yes, if I could partner someone and
leave full control as far as creativity for me and
product development, of course I would erhap zero. I'd parted
with Josh, Josh, I've told you this before. If I
can just develop new products and design the packaging and
introduce them to the people I fuck with, did I'd

(32:36):
be good, But.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Not to like expose any of the crazy stuff I
know about your guys' issues, but because there's been some
wild d of scenes that we won't even get into.
But that relationship isn't beyond repairing for.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
You, bro, I almost died from cancer, right, so nothing
is that serious unless you shot at me, which no
one ever has, and thank god, right don't have a conversation.
Put everything on the table. I would I said this
on no Jumper. I will talk to Josh any day
because for me, I just want to live, be happy.
I want to do business. I think I have created
some really cool things in the roll in paper space.

(33:09):
I think that I have incredible support with the Vibe
Tribe and those guys are amazing. Shout out to the
Vibe Tribe. I think I have a good audience that
enjoys vibes. So whether it be Josh or someone like
zig Zag or just the right you know, the right
time in life where I have my own money to
put back behind it, it's gonna take up probably three
to five million dollars of advice where I want. Yeah,
that's why I've kind of fell back a little bit.

(33:30):
But bro, if someone leaves me creative control and product development,
then I'm fucking in.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Don't because I know Yola connected with the Blazy Susan
Bruhs for proper Papers, which is that as you know.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, shout out to Yola, Shout to Blazy.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
But it feels like it's a. It's I haven't had
a couple of homies who have tried the leaf thing,
you know where they go out to the dr and yeah,
you know, it sounds like a great idea to you realize,
like there are so many competitors, right, So it's like,
I think loose Leaf has done a pretty good job of.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
I'm partnered with loose Leaf. Shout out to Loosely, like
we're going crazy with the cookie skews on it on
the life is going crazy and like you know in Texas,
shout to slapper Woods. But that's why I like, that's
a perfect example, like why reinvent the wheel? Like at
this point in life, I'm like, look, dude, Loosely, You've
got this ship on smash. They do great marketing, have
incredible products, Like I might as well just goe and
license my brand to him. He does justice by us.

(34:25):
He makes sure the products and all the right hands.
He makes sure the product is fresh as solid, and
we're killing it together right now. I love Lucie, dude,
for sure, I might even doing cookies papers to be dope.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
You produced and did a whole entire movie that we
haven't seen yet.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, Glass City, right, splash Splash Citylas. I just think
of the bipping and the glass hitting the street and
splash Cities, Splash City. This is a big project that
I feel like, you know, it's crazy, like when you
have so much shit going on and like there's just
like this entire completed project that like two years I've

(35:01):
been sent on two million dollar film up right, that's myself.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's pretty cool. No, but but but look, like you know,
Freddie Gibbs is in a movie called night Watch. Uh
is it called night Watch late Watch? I don't funk.
I'm a terrible friend. Went and saw the movie. It
was an independent movie. He did great in it. But
the but but when they were doing the Q and

(35:25):
A after the movie, the dude who like was like
the behind the movie was like, this is this movie
is a seven year project in the making, and like,
I immediately had a light go off. I was sitting
next to our gay friend Spencer, who, by the way,
just came Spencer Breen. He's living in his truth.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Uh so we appreciate that he had an experience in
prison that changed him forever. Oh my god, I didn't Spencer,
but no, so I was like me and Spencer talking,
and I was like, it makes sense, you know, because, uh,
you did this movie and it's still not out.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
But it's like, you have to do right by the movie.
You want to make it, like you don't just put
some shit out and turn it into like, you know,
like a bootleg DVDs.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
So like so like that's that's that's right. So basically
I was green. I made a movie. I spent two
million dollars of my own bread shot in San Francisco.
I did a sag union the whole way. I did
it right. I did it the right way. I did
it the right way. I had zero investors. I didn't
know that people didn't do that. I didn't know that
people raise money for films. I didn't know that. No
one's Some of the biggest people we know have never

(36:28):
put a dollar into their own films in Hollywood. Right,
It's not people aren't commonly funding their own film. It's
not not a normal thing. I'm a dumb ass. I
spent two million dollars on a film, and I thought
I was gonna be able to get out Hella fast.
But you know what, though, I'm glad I took my
time because I have an incredible fucking partner. For now,
I'm actually gonna sit down with them on Friday and
get a date for this summer. But what I did

(36:48):
in that, and I'm glad I talked about this in
my book. You have to go along sometimes. So let's
just go ahead and let's break this down. So by
me spending two million dollars to produce a film in
my hometown, right was fucking by me doing that, and
by me waiting it out and sitting on the fucking
that money in that film for two years, which has
been tough. People all burned and do it.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
He fell Well, No, I mean I got you a
little bit of money for some placement in there, you
know what I'm saying. And that for sure some of
them hit me like, hey, what this shit coming out?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
But you know what, for my sponsors that did the
placements like that, Now I did that. I found the
right partner. It's gonna be a theatrical release and a
good streamer partner that that will pick it up. But
that opened the doors for me to do other things.
Now we're talking about the meeting we have on Friday.
It's not just a date for Splash Heat, but it's
like here's a budget for you to go make some
short films or I feel like, man, I mean I

(37:37):
think this is a big reason why you did Splash
City was to tell the Bay Area story well.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
For sure, but like there isn't there isn't a I mean,
there was that movie that just came out about the
symbol was playing too short.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
In Yeah, yeah with the Freaky Tails.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Freaky Tail.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah that was shout out at Freaky Tails.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
But but I feel like that the Bay Area street
culture in general is not something that there has been
a real representation of. You know when I think of
like how many movies or well, how about represent La Street.
How about the.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
History of the Bay right, No one's even really broken
down whether it be the Asian mob or like the
you know, to all the different people from the Bay
that were doing their thing back in the days. Is
like the differen sites, whether it be Frisco, Oakland, Richmond, Valoe.
There's great stories out there. And so I'm gonna lay
out here for everyone watch right now. I spent two
million dollars sat on my movie. We'll go through Hollywood
like Get Shorty found the right partner, which is a

(38:28):
big one. I'll tell you when we're off camera, right,
I'm about to drop my movie in the summer. Now
I got a budget to tell a bunch of short,
short short stories. Now they're gonna give me a budget.
The studios is gonna give me a budget to go
do some short films.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Fire.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
What is the short film? Is gonna be about the Bay,
of course. And so what I'm gonna do is I'm
gonna go ahead and start telling some of these incredible crime
stories from where I'm from. And I guess my plan
works because all I ever wanted to do was tell
stories about where I'm from. And by me putting that
two million dollars in, people like this guy really appreciates
his craft. He takes his seriously. He's wanting to put
his money where his mouth is. Fuck it, let's gamble

(39:01):
on the dude, right. So that's what I talk about
my book, is you gotta go along, Because no other
businessman would have put two million dollars into a film
with no guaranteed path, right like people raise money for
shit like that. So I feel like by me doing that,
at least I got the right partner now for that
film and for a future projects. And if I'm truly
gonna get this budget, which I think I am to
tell short stories. I'm gonna do some sick g shit.

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Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, it went pretty I think it's got like six
hundred thousand views on my YouTube channel because.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I asked you what's the craziest l you took? And
we were talking about you going up to what is that?
What's the fucking Humble Humble? Yeah, Yeah, that's some ship.
I feel like the fact no one's done like a
fucking Netflix show about like that world up there.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
It's like it's like the it's like our version of
Yellowstone Laws up there. It's like a very it's it's
you're already speaking my language. And that's what I'm excited
about this meeting on Friday because I'm like, look, whether
it be Frisco Oakland, Valeo, Richmond, or even all the
way up even even Stocked and Salinas. Like, there's certain
areas that have incredible stories I've heard about, but then

(41:28):
you go up to humbold County. Bro, that's like the
weed yellow Stone Dogs. You can go crazy with that.
So I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna tell some
really good short stories. I'm gonna make sure these short
films go crazy and that that would turn into feature films. Yeah,
or or a show or a series or Bro, you
already know exactly where I'm going with this. It's like
I gambled on myself for a reason, not just to
put a film out. Now, I was trying to get in.

(41:49):
I want to do what Fifty's doing.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
He's killing it on for you. The weed game is
being so I don't want to say pimped out, but
it feels like it's been pimped out in terms of
just like so many people coming in and out that
aren't even necessarily we dudes, like, I mean, we know

(42:12):
so many I mean homies of ours who've done brands
and gone and they don't even smoke and they don't
exist anymore, or you know, a lot of people were
coming in and just grabbing quick quick bags. And you know,
you mentioned the long game what you talk about in
the book, Like a lot of people have not approached
the weed shit as a long game. But who has
that you respect, that is kind of in the hip

(42:36):
hop realm that has kind of given the industry its
respect and has approached it properly. In your opinion, outshot
it yourself, so hip hop and not.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Just like we hip hip hop. Wiz doing great job, Yeah,
Khalifa Cush, Yeah, he's just he's building it. He's building
nice and slow. He's not rustling in anything. He's not
doing Hella deal's kind of trying to figure out himself.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
They're very selective for sure.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
He doesn't even tried to lean on me for anything.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Lur gay friend will not.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But but you know, I appreciate Whiz because his whole
thing is like, I want to do this by myself,
on learning ship myself. He could have leaned on me
one hundred different ways. I would have gave him anything
he wanted to, but he didn't want to want to
do his thing himself. And he's he's killing it, you
know what I'm saying. So he's doing it right hip hop.
We shot the methad Man Man math. Yeah that's a cowshit. Yeah,

(43:28):
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Singi's back on tour and then Ussos jumped him in Seattle,
and I don't forget things like that. That's my that's
my guy. And also like I appreciate your consistency and
your original weed.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Guy.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
So if you need some genetics, myth, if your cultivators
are growing your weed, need something fresh, I got a
bunch of new show love to just give you, ye.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Method man man. If people will forget like how Hi
Man him and Red Man are like.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
That, I got it. I got a really nice cross
for a method man. So methad Man tap In, whoever's
growing your weed, have him hit me up on the
DM or just call me and hook me up with them,
and I'll give him something special. Go for your brand
because you're just you're doing it right, bro.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, how much because there's so many like athletes now
that have because like especially like in the NBA, in
the NFL, they don't test for marijuana anymore.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah that's far. So you'll see guys like Kevin Durant
like come out like he's an obvious pothead. I smoked
big with Kevin Durant, I smoke. I gotta find that
volog now he's openly smoking. I went to just place
in New York one time. I smoked super big with he.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Probably like don't really, but now it doesn't matter. I
was gonna say, back in the day, like in like
let's say like fifteen, sixteen seventeen, were you like, I mean,
you're the guy who I'm sure a lot of athletes
would hit like, are you like lace and fools?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Like for the ones that can get a hold of me,
I'm hella busy, So I'm not really the guy like
to be the back then though, but like even then,
I was hella busy. So like if someone got hold
of me, like shout out to the Warriors or people
that were in town, certain nine players or whatever. Like
when people hit me up, if it's people, I can
respect it because I'm not really into sports like that.
For someone cool, I'll go ahead and bless them.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
How it Because I see the THHC carts everywhere, right,
the THCA carts rather Yeah, it's such a massive business
because you know, yeah, I mean some of the numbers
Yola told me he does on his brand. It's fucking insane.
The THHGA thing is a big there's a big misunderstanding.
It's obviously it's got to be grown in a certain

(45:25):
type of lab, it has to be tested a certain way.
A lot of weeds snobs frown upon it. You're obviously
in the thhc A game. What does your kind of
take on? Just like the misconceptions of it and just
the viability of it long term.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
It was a great loophole, and people that knew how
to take advantage of loophole made a lot of bread.
If you think about it. You can legally send weed
to people's doorstep all around the country. And I don't
think it's gonna last much longer. I think I saw
something this morning on Twitter. It's gonna stop. The Flower's
gonna stop on March thirty first, or something like that.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So they're at least in Texas, I think, I don't
know if it's.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Texas is where they feels like they got big problems. Yeah,
so the fuckers is out there, right, But.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
You know you said it right just to give it
to people don't really understand like the way things work were,
But basically the shit don't smoking right now. If tested
a certain is, if growing in the hemp farm, if
it's testing the way a certain way, it's pretty much
weed is weed, bro And a lot of the weed
that you see as TCA's pretty much the ship we
smoke anyways. It's just growing in hemp farm. It's it's

(46:28):
a certain kind of license that someone took the time
to get and they're growing to wheat and they're testing
a certain way. But most we end up testing that
way anyway. So yeah, for people saying it's fake weed,
it's not fake weed, but it's not like the high
Time ship in the back of the magazine back on
the days. It's actually real weed growing in a different
kind of license that tests a certain way. But a
lot of spice. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
The spice era was crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
My baby mama was tweaked out on that ship.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Oh my god. The spice shit was the fact people
were smoking spice back in the day, crazy times, fucking nuts,
fuck spice.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
What about on the Because I know you also kind
of like dibbled and dabbled and you do have cookies.
There is some cookies like legal mushrooms that are like
I've seen them.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't think so no where it's like more like
a oh caps, the caps, Yeah, yeah, no, because they
when I think of mushrooms, I like the micro Dosa
was singing that now we had caps, which won a
fucking award in men's health.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
That's what I'm saying. I know you have the legals
because there are some legal mushrooms that I.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Don't even know if we're still making those. I hope
we do. But those things helped me sleep a lot,
especially during the cancer thing. Like those blends were fucking amazing.
Whoever made those blends for us, We're fucking they're amazing.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I was going to say, like it feels like the
next frontier, and I think it's kind of chilled out
a little because the last few years, like the Shrewd
game has felt like the wild wild West. But it
does feel like psilocybin is probably like the next like
in the next ten or fifteen years, it's going to
have its or less. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I heard the current administration wants to push that.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
More than want to push we throughn't doubt it because
obviously a lot of the soldiers talk about how it
benefits from a PTSD.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
They approve of that.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Do you feel like psilocybin is like something that you
would try, like if it becomes legal you microdose, right,
So is it something that you could see kind of
diving diving into like with a new brand or nah?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
If I could do it right, I probably just do
it in the caps. And I would like to find
some heady fool that gross on mushrooms, that has different varieties,
that has like knowledge on everything. I would love to
do like some small bashed, heady mushroom shit if when
it's legal to do so. I know there's a bunch
of people out there going different varieties and like hunting
through it. And the ones I get for myself, shout
out at the homie that gives them to me, you
know who you are. They go their own mushrooms there.

(48:41):
They kind of put them into gummies super good, like
super it's like evenly dose, so you're never gonna get
like an off gummy, Like it's amazing. I love.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, yeah, when the gummies are like consistent.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Amazing that take one that's like a coffee Broyea. Take
them in the morning you feel good. If you want
to gig a little bit more, you take two or three.
Say it's nice.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
You talked about some bad trips you've had, especially on acid,
Like I think when you got called home from school
in high school, what's the worst shroom trip you've ever
been on?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, so I I had some shooms back when I
was living uh in SF. I was probably like in
the avenue somewhere, and I remember eating the shrooms and
like feeling very like uncomfortable in the room. I went outside.
If you know the sunset gually that shit is like
cold fog.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
I just fucking took my shirt off and started talking
about weed plant. And I was asking it why I
cared so much about this stupid plant, Like why do
I always revolve my day around what I'm gonna get,
what I'm gonna smoke. I'm gonna smoke it. Like I
was talking to the plant, like it was like it's
gonna talk back to me, and I just realized it's
not tired. I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of tripping out
right now. I go back inside.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
You used to obviously dibble and dabble in the in
the nose candy. When did you kind of stop stop
kind of fucking around with coke heavy?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah? I stopped doing powder when I was uh, must
have been nineteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
But also it's been a minute.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, I don't drink alcoholic and do. The reason why
I did powder, I was a bartending brot nineteen years old.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
You were bartending and but tending simultaneous.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah, so I work at the dispensary Monday through Friday,
and then Friday night. I get off working and go
to bartend Friday, Saturday Sunday night. And the way even
got introduced to powder, I was doing. I was doing
Suta night, the crazy and it was the littlet experience
you get. I'm not gonna get into it, but it
was the littlest experience ever at bitches of their dances. Listen, listen,

(50:31):
I was the only nineteen everyone I was nineteen. I
slick back here was popping back then. But at that time,
the cubes a like pop about run here. They put
a little key out. I'm like, come on, come on, junior,
take it. I'm like, oh shit, I'm fucking back there moving.
It was part of the bartender lifestyle. And when I
got done with that ship, and that's got my girl pregnant,
I gotta keep the chef. Stopped drinking and I stopped

(50:51):
doing blow. I was never like a super coca had
but man, when working at the club, that's what the
bartenders is doing, that's what the lasers doing, that's that's
what the Cuban ballers are doing, and that's what everyone
was doing. So you know, it was just a kind
of crazy time. But I'm glad I got away from
that shit early in life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, it's funny because it's like the coke thing. I
feel like, thank god most of my homies been off
that ship for so long because I'm like, can you
imagine like being addicted to cocaine now and not knowing
what you're giddy.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
That's why yesterday when I was doing flat, he's like
so used to so cokeing. I never sold coked flat.
I had coke on me because I was doing it
and I was a consumer like I was weed back
when I was a young kid. That's it.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, nowadays it's like Jesus man, dude, just smoke or
do shrews.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
It was shady, bro. I was I'd be at that
bar Man Bartend and fools just throw me at like
Rocks Bro, the Cuban dudes. Those dudes are balling, but
they come in. Yeah, Papa, throw me a fucking I'm like,
oh my god, what do I even do with this shit?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
I love the Bay Man base fire, It's the best.
You feel like it. The Bay is coming back. I
feel like it's finally kind of because you know the
thing that it frustrates me and like, obviously I would
go to the Bay a lot during the pandemic because
I was working with Gazi, but and it was not
the same. Yeah, it's different now though, but it does
feel like the life is coming back.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, I gotta say it, man, like Ghazi and Empire
putting a lot of energy into the Bay bro shout
the guys, like that new building they bought downtown, the
way the way they held it down during Super Bowl, Like,
if it wasn't Fanpire, the Super Bowl would have been
kind of lame in the city, honestly, Like, and I
got to say the new mayor to Leary's doing a
good job. And I don't really speak on politics ever,

(52:27):
because I don't give a fuck enough to talk about politics.
But I'm outside speaking of like cancer events. I see
him there. I'm outside doing something for someone else. I
see him there.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Well, the previous mayor had that ship like Gotham City.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Though that shit was terrible. I don't give a fuck
who's on me that was that was terrible. But this
guy right here is pulling up for small businesses, he's
pulling up for restaurants, he's pulling up for the city events. Like,
I'm like, I fuck with the dude because he's actually outside.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Well I heard he's cracked down a lot on the
bipping too, because I think they got like cameras everywhere.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Now, Like I don't know about any of that was crazy,
but I just know what he's doing for the restaurants,
Like the Homie. Uh, the Homie has like a grant
from the city where it's like he was able to
get into like a really fire location. The city's paying
for most of it, so we could have like a
restaurant that's fucking amazing. And I'm like, I fuck with
that kind of shit.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Do you have what is the sketchiest tenderloin story you have?

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Fuck, dude, there's a lot of tenderloin stories to his
Tenderloin is crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah I could. I can't share my ske my, sketchiest
Tenderloin story.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Man, I'm not gonna share mine either. I'm just gonna
tell you that the Tenderloin is shady, and I've seen
some I've seen some real life things. There was a
point where I was even shooting documentary on the Tenderloin.
I'd be hiding in a car with the camera watching
ship and that shit wasn't There's some pockets, like a
good food There's like this little.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Vietnamese bond me sandwich place that's there.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, I know, she's the little blue sign one. Yeah, yeah,
that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
The liquor store with the Mexican food joint on the
inside is cool.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But I'm gonna tell you what. Now I'm forty two
years old. I can't eat in Tenderloin no more. I
just see you might overdose on. I'll go to the
vietnameat sandwich spot, Like, I'll go there. It's you know,
it's great, it's fucking fire. But yeah, the tls and
Manias neighborhood. I'm actually like, I'm done to hire someone
that wants to see this documentary through to go live
in one of them hotels for a few years and like.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Take it wild over there.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, if you're down to do that, higher at me
because I want to finish that documentary.

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(55:17):
get back to the podcast. You obviously have so much
chemistry with so many artists, you know, obviously, you know,
you and be Real have got fucking classics together. You
and Whiz I don't even know at this point how
many songs you guys have together. And there's still this
mythical collab album that still hasn't.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
It came out? Just do different albums or he's kind
of spread out.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Well, so he's kind of independent istion now, so it's
probably be a lot easier to do that officially.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Who a lockupdown a good kidnap Wiz for a week?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You and I mean you and Mazzi. That's my favorite
album of yours is the Massi collab album. Yeah, who's
your what's your favorite album that you did with somebody?
Like a full project? And who do you think? Just
in the studio? Two separate questions, and then in the studio.
Who do you think you have the best creative chemistry
with outside of Cosmo?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Obviously, I think best creative chemistry probably would be Real
because I'm said, I grew up listening to him and
I remember like trying to give him a tape back
in the days at the Rainbow Lounge in LA and
just like trying to figure out any kind of way
to put music in front him. So I had the
opportunity to make music with him. I think I brought
a lot of heat. It's actually like the only project
I actually listened to a mine. I don't really listen

(56:24):
to my music if I can listen to those, So if
I have the best creative energy with him, he said,
what's another What.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
What's your favorite album of yours? That well, what's your
actual favorite album? And then what's your favorite collod album
you've done?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Fuck, dude, My favorite album is probably drug Store Cowboy Fire.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, okay, class album? Favorite classics? Man, you got the
Joints with Jack or you got Messy Marvis should be
real ship the Mazi shiit.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
My favorite album is probably fuck if I fucking uh man,
I don't even know this too. I like, if I
say the wrong with piss people.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
There's forty six of them, so yeah, uh, what about
slept On?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
The most slept On is probably me and Currency's album
That Shit was hard, super hard. Yeah, Peno Grisio, Larry
June Shit, Larry Junes slept On as well, and Pacino
shit with the Traffic Ship Traffic was very good too.
There's a lot of good moments in life, dude. Yeah,
but the one I'm working on right now might be
my favorite.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Can you talk about it?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah, I'm doing I'm doing a project with Chris.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Shouts to Chris, I mean that's your biggest song, rights
Alchivo is your biggest record?

Speaker 1 (57:33):
I think it is. Yeah, And but honestly, like the
kind of beats I pulled out for this project are
fucking insane. I played one off camera that we did
last night is fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Reminiscent of the vibes of that record of Alchievo.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's no, it's different. It's different
because we've grown a lot from them, but it's like
the same. I'm taking like shit that you normally wouldn't
sing or you know, do music over. I'm picking some
pretty wild beats right now. If you take yourself out
of the picture. Who's h Who's in the hip hop
cannabis Mount Rushmore hip Hop cannabis. Yeah, be Real, Snoop

(58:14):
Whiz and Snoop be Real Whiz and fucking Currency dude Spitter. Yeah,
meth Man could be in there too. There was a
text There was a text chain I have back in

(58:35):
the days. It was Me Whiz, Snoop, be Real, method Man,
Red Man, Devin, the de Smoke des A, uh fucking
a couple other people.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
This was a group chat.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah, it's it's called the Smoke Olympics. And we were
just like it was like a good weed chat. And
I feel like everyone on there is in Mount Rushmore.
We what gets talked about in this crazy shit? Yeah,
crazy shit? And I remember be Real bodied everybody because
he did he send the video in and me and
Wiz laughed so hard. I fucking almost pissed myself when
when when he called me about this. But it was like,

(59:11):
We're gonna do this contest and see who could I
smoke who? Right? All of us right? And be real
the student glass thing that flips, Yeah, yeah, he put
some fucking attachment with hash on it, and this fool
did fifty flips, fifty rips in a row and fucking
wiz g Yo, that.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Man's gonna kill somebody.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I'm like, fuck me so laughing sort like y'all I'm out, Dog,
I'm out. We try to keep up. I just tack.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Would you guys just send videos to each other to
show how it was?

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Like it was like motivational show.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Like, yo, everybody, look at my tolerance is crazier.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
He'd be like dog, that dog, like what's up y'all? Chilling?
What's up with my brothers? Like he'd be smoking blunt
and like, Devin, dude, chime in, say some ship and
like but then like it every now and they'd be like, with,
you know, be real, by yo, fellas I'm getting ready,
he'd be trolling people. Be real is the guy that
we bro, No one's gonna smoke born that dy don't
give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Who or You're not like a big dabber, right, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
That like low temp dats for taste.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Oh the dabs are fucking evil.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Man, But Bro, that'd definitely be real too. That shit
seriously smoke a linguis shit? I got this ship? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
So was he the most active in the group chat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
And we were all pretty active. He's just the one
that was standing on business.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
So it feels like this should be the genesis of
some sort of compilation album.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Okay, the businessman and me, I'll show you the Texas said, guys,
we need to do a project. Have someone stream the
Smoke Olympics, film it, air it and fucking packages bitch
and sell it. But everyone's so busy. Bro, No, I
have a dog. Oh man, I'll tell you off camera
what happened. I'll tell you why it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
That would be crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I'll tell you what did.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
You could pull five of them, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Like fuck man, the ones we had were amazing, and
we're all going to start a business with equal ownership.
It was amazing. It just it just didn't Smoke Olympics. Man,
let's pull it together, guys, I'll do whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Well, Like I remember, uh Drink Champs was teasing that
there was gonna be a podcast called Smoke Champs and
it was gonna be smoked Dizna and currency. But it
just never happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I think the Smoke Olympus could have been a
fire as it would have been a fire project. A
fire ass event and festival. It had been a fire
ass fucking content people. You imagine now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Though, right you do the smoke Olympics and Wiz has
a twitch, you know, Or that's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Everyone's streaming Guy's live stream the entire album being recorded.
There's five rooms cranking at the same time. You bring in,
bring the Alchemist to do some ship, bringing fucking Cosmo
to do some ship. You picked the beats because you
got the best year for picking beats.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I want I want to be behind that motherfucking music
an R.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And that's it. It is crazy to me that, like,
do you have anybody reaching out to you to because
you have a talent for picking beats. It's very very
self like. I think Rick Ross has an air like that.
Would you be interested in like a and like if
if someone calls you tomorrow and said, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I've been I've been supposed to an R Mazie's album.
I've been supposed to an R Whiz album. Wiz she
called me, asked me if would sit down with him
and do it. I'm down. We just never end up
executing it. I think besides, like an R, I have
a good ear for features I have a good ear
for like song arrangement where she liked that I'm a
fan of music so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And just like branding too. I feel like, man, you
give a fuck about your artwork. Some people it feels
like that, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
The fuck is crazy. They's like trying to be too
fucking woke or whatever. But yeah, if someone reaches out
to me, if someone I actually like and love, I'd
rather do that than rap. Honestly, I'd rather an r
some shit for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
No, I think you could creative control everything. Craziest. Uh, well,
let's talk about how cookies has spread all over the world. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
How crazy was Thailand when you guys open up that thing.
I saw some of the video. It was like a
culture shot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
It's my favorite place in the world, by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yet the thing like there was a long line, right,
there was monks there to bless the store. Crazy all right.
There was people from China, from Japan, from Sweden, from Ireland, Like,
I'm like, this is fucking international weed business right here.
And the fact that the monks were there to fucking
do the whole a little whatever they was doing that

(01:03:08):
she was crazy as fucking to have the drums, like
when I was walking to open to cut the ribbon.
That fucking culture in Thailand embrace cookie so hard. And
that's why I just want to get this shit right
so bad, bro, because I have some of the best
menu in the world. All we've been doing is breeding one,
logging up and humble. I'll show you if you want
to come by studios. We have some of the best
we'd I've ever seen in my life, bred by us,

(01:03:29):
hunted by us, selected by us. I want to put
that shit around the world for people. That's all I
want to do. We're uh, Thailand was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
UK's coming, right, UK's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, there's another market that tripped me out that's coming
soon too. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
But yeah, they got to figure it out in Japan, man,
that's the one thing I was I've been talking to
some people so hard. It was like everyone's so sketched
about weed there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I mean, that's a big deal. They need to legalize that.
They probably go crazy out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
There, they would go nuts. They got the strip club
in Japan called Mama Woo's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Is it food fire out there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
And it's the best, honestly, if you like you like
sushi and fish and ship. Yeah, it's the best. Yeah,
it's like the best. If you're in the sushi, it's
the best. I mean, the noodles are great, the fucking
wagou crazy, but the fucking sushi you can go to
the shitty like whatever you they would consider like whatever
sushi spot, and it is fucking up every.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Sing I've been interested in, Like they've made the Japanese
style of burgers, like not like it's like yeah that,
but the way the way they do it, like their
attention to details, even like some pizza they made in Japan,
like their attention to details and saying I want to
try to know they have got Yeah, candies probably fired too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah, dude, it's the best. It's whatever you're into.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Their snack life, snack lives wild, the seven eleven, the
seven eleven in Thailand, it is fucking wild.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
The seven eleven in Japan is different. Dog, you were like,
fuck like our seven eleven suck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
America sucks when it comes to snacks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Have you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Because I know that this lawsuit ship you're going through
is not cheap. Have you thought about what happened? Is
if a worst case scenario and what is the worst
case scenario if you lose this battle, do you like,
what is the worst case scenario?

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I don't even know at this point. I thought about that.
I think about it every day. I'm like, what is
the worst case scenario. There's no scenario someone comes just
takes the brand from me. The brand will always be
with you, brand will always be with me. There's no
even in the lawsuits, the shit they're claiming it is like,
there's no way. It's not like someone just gonna, oh,
it's mine now. It's like, could there be some different

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influence on the board and things like maybe. I don't know.
I don't really know what the worst case scenarios for me.
The worst case scenario is I tap out and walk away,
right and that bro. I've thought about that a lot,
especially like the last five months. I'm like, do I
want to keep fighting for this shit? I have to
say releasing the book, Maybe want to keep fighting for
this shit? Because the reaction people get to my brand
and what we built around the world, and I'm not

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even thinking about it even the online Hey, I'm talking
about real people on a person, real interactions about what
we built together. It's too strong. So I guess the
worst case scenario would be I just tap out, and
I don't think that's even gonna happen. I think the
best case scenario is I can get back to work,
and get back to work. I can focus on weed,
weed and weed. That's all I want to do. It's

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been fucking five years of goddamn drama, fucking sick of it. Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So somebody hasn't read the book yet and they want
to get the book, what would you say is the
thing you want people to get out of this the most.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Man, That like, even when your back's against the wall,
you're gonna find things inside you never found out, you
didn't even know you had it, right, Like, you'll find
ways to be creative, to keep fighting. I've been fighting
so hard lately, and my back is against the wall
more than ever has been. I've been in a fucked
up position the last few years, and I've been the
health shit, health shit, hell shit, the fucking loss to shit.
But like I'm still going right, And so I guess

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what I want people to get from the book is that, like,
you have to stay the term, you have to stay focused,
you have to stay motivated. You can never quit, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I can only imagine, like you've been through so
much personally and obviously with your health, and I mean
you have this painting at your compound that is like
a really good representation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I guess I think you told me. You told the
artist kind of what you've been going through and he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Painted it was like, yeah, my boy, Like for you,
how do you Because the thing is, man, is a
lot of people will go through some of the shit
you went through. You went through some personal ship in
your life, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Even like thinking right now while we're talking even about
the movie, like I spent two mili I didn't figure
out for two years. A lot of people that gave
up or put on YouTube for free or put on
two be like, yeah, I just keep going for you. Yeah,
I can say like like the intentional fortitude to like
go through all the ship you went through and like
all at the same time low key and like crazy'll

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get up. And that's one thing I said in the
book too. I was fighting for my life and my
business at the same time. This ship is pretty wild, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Is there any any like anything in particular where you
would like is it your is it your daughter is
it your what is the what is the because I
feel like sometimes when we get I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Tell you what it is. My mom died with fucking nothing, bro,
and my dad fucking is probably the best chef and
hardest working guy, and he doesn't really have anything either,
you know what I'm saying. So I was like, I
want to I want to do different for myself and
from my family, and I want to leave something for
my kids. I'm like, I've been the underdog my whole life.
I've been very humble my whole life. I've just like
been this guy. It's just like I'm gonna work harder

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than everyone, but like I deserve my my day one day. Right,
I've worked really hard for that, not just for my family,
but for myself too, shit for my people, for everyone
around me, grinding with me. So I'm like I got
to see the through dude. Like and when I got sick,
you know, when I was going through chemo, when I
got my surgery, because you know, when I did the surgery,
it was eight and a half hour surgery. I just
signed one hundred papers and said if I don't wake up,

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it's not their fault. Like foot and a half of
my car. So it's like when I was laying there,
I'm like, damn, I nerver gonna be see cookies, like
do what it's supposed to do. I'm never gonna be
able to make a movie. I'm never gonna be able
to write a book. That's what I'm doing. Now. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
How's uh? How's married life?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
You just got married?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Amazing? Yeah, it's the best, bro Like, honestly, like too
old to be dealing with some bullshit. I've I've got
to give best gift in the world, which is also
what keeps me going. Got two brand new babies another
one on the way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
That's gotta be cool too to like, because I feel
like going through fatherhood as like someone grinding on the
come up is like its own kind of experience. And
then also to go through it now like later on
in life.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
It's weird. My daughter's eighteen and fucking incredible college and
then my son's two, my daughter's ten months, and my
other babies coming in July, So it was like that
baby's this late in the game, is tight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Your daughter, she probably gotta get a kick out of
having like like little little brother little sister to play with.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, yeah, fucking she loves it. I'm hello glad that
she's juice, because it could have went the other ways.
She could have been like, oh, I'm cool off this.
She loves her brothers and sister. Are you I know
you've talked about this before. I remember she had a
clothing line she did for a second. Is the plan
to eventually have your daughter run Undie and everything? I
wanted to be a CEO of cookies, I said in
a few times in the last few months, and like,

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she's been around me this whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
By the way, you just hate the fuck out of
me because I'm like, damn, I've been watching your daughter grows.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
She's been a baby eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
But she's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
She used to be in ruins with me when I
was negotiating deal. She'd be in the car with me
when I was negotiating deal. She'd be in the studio
with me and I was making music. She knows me
very very well. She has a lot of the same
qualities I have as far as like a good, good
people's person in really good conversation. She's in score and
a for communications. And she always says, I don't want
to do that, but I want her to do that. Yeah,
I feel like, you know my son, and maybe one
day my son will take over when on because he's

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a little burned. But I also wanted to do his
own thing. I feel like Janelle has that she has
a right personality step inside my shoes right now. But
I also wanted to do what she wants to do.
So it's there for she wants to take that brain,
you know what I'm saying, and pass it on to
her little brother when he's old enough, in the imposition.
But she's getting the fuck up right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
So books out now, It is incredible. Give it a read.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
I read about half of it. I'm gonna lie to
you and say I read all of it because I
couldn't get through a real one. Yeah, I don't lie
to me, but I did get through about half of it.
And I feel like I know you, so I probably
probably know most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
We're there's some shit you don't know in the right
for sure, for sure there is, and and you know,
I think, uh, I just think it's important, man, I think.
I think. I think it's overdue, but perfect timing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
It's the right time, it's the right time, it's the
right time. I waited for the right time, and I
feel like it's just uh. The next level of the
game is storytelling two book and to film now, movie
on the Way, Movie on the fucking way, New album
with Chris on the way. New album with Chris will
be here soon. New album will be real pretty much
done as well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Was that Prohibition five?

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
We don't know we're gonna name it yet, but yeah,
a fifth album.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Fifth album would be real. Thought man the bartender at
nineteen fucking doing coke at the five albums be real?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Bartending days were crazy, keV. You don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I can imagine, all right, So man, lots of lots
of new ship on the way man, and then obviously Man, cookies, Uh,
cookies is cookies.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
It's it's we're not going nowhere, dude. To leave with
this new menu is going crazy. I had a tasting
with all the big dogars in my building last month.
People saw that people were pretty tripped that we all
came together. But I'm gonna do it again with the
blueberry caviar line. And next is the central pey line
than the cookie line, So we're doing breeding in house.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
I can wish said, You're not like a weirdo gatekeeper
like other people in other industries, who doesn't want anybody
else to have success. Who's the up and coming weed
brands that you're fucking with? Man, I'm fucking with Preferred
Gardens a lot. They're they're growing incredible weed. I'm fucking
with that. I want to see this to venom ship
that one's talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
I want to see it. I hear about it. I
want to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
I want to smoke guys from Uh there's the homie
Shane in La has maven genetics.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Oh yeah, he got fired yet. The thing about me,
bro I love weed, so I've never hate on anyone
in the weeds basic because when I go around the world,
my favorite thing about touring is getting different weed in
different markets. So shout that one that gives me jars.
I love that. Shually, I smell it, I smoke. If
it's good, I enjoy it. But yeah, shot, the Prefer
Gardens are probably one of my favorites for gardens.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
There it is Listen Burney, shit, you're hanging out and
making time. Oh you know what I wanted to ask
you that slipped because we moved on. How cool was
it to go on? This tour and just have the
people show up for you nationwide. It was the struggle
of a tour because you were you were hurting, you
were in a wheelchair.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I was in a wheelchair. It was fucking middle of winters,
probably the worst time ever going.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
It was rough. But it still has to is it
fuel to go out there and there's all these people
who are coming to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
The combination of the tour in the book is like,
I'm not going nowhere fucked, I'm not tapping out shit
because people really love what we've done and they.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Love we have these people out here with these tattoos.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Man, shit's real brother. The support. The support is still
there after twenty fucking years and making music. I've been
making music for twenty years, and not a lot of
people can say they can still tour up to twenty years. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
No, I would say, like that's the one thing, man, Like,
no matter what, like when when you do these things
where you show up and whether it's opening a store,
it's got to be just a certain type of fuel.
Not most people won't ever feel. Yeah, people got a
babysitter in that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, Look, entrepreneurs out there, musicians out there, don't be
jaded by then. And people talk shit online all the
time because it's easy. But you pull up outside and
see that there's love all on our world. It's a
different kind of feeling out there. There's a guy in Tucson.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I want to just shout out who has your face
and your logo on his belly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
That's a great tattoo. You know that guy. Yeah, I
know that guy. I want to smoke one with that guy,
that guy Cyrus.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
When you edit this, I think I have a picture
with him on my Instagram. It's shout out to that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
This guy right here, and he's a fucking He's a
pander or a finest chiva for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Hey man, I appreciate you, proud of you, uh and
uh you know, I'm proud of your resilience and I'm
just proud of I'm just proud to know your dog.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
I was iced by coming by here this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
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