#654 - Young Chris Talks Young Gunz, State Property, Roc-A-Fella, “Can’t Stop Won’t Stop,” Kanye & More

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Bootleg Cat Podcasts special guests in here. We got a
legend in the building, man boy, Young Chris. Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome man, good to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I feel like the last time I saw you, I
mean I've seen you a few places recently. You're always
out and about in the mix. But I remember you
had came on the show like right after because I
know you were running around wal A for a second.
I saw you at walle at Real right before the pandemic.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, right before we got shut down.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, so man, it's good to have you back. First
of all, you and made in Tokyo, Lincoln for a
project is very unexpected and a little random explained super random.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Well, actually my team brought it to my attention because,
like I said, it's new for me too.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is how you.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Produce, right.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You don't really use a lot of drums.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Right, It's very different sonically than what I think we
would expect, Young christ.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Me spit on right, but same token versatile.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
When I could flex and show the versatility, you know,
it's all good and it came out great. Yeah, I
don't feel like it's too far fetched from what I
normally do. Made in Philly, Made in Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Was it like, uh, something that Tokyo was excited to do?
Because like obviously, man, I feel like you have like
fans of your ship who like love the young guns,
but then you have like people who were like super
like dialed in on like the network mixtapes. You had
like an entire very underrated mixtape run that was legendary,
like Tokyo like tapped in it all.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Just a crazy question. I gotta ask him.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, I gotta ask you know what I'm saying because
when I got when I just got with Tokyo, a
lot of his shit was new.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
To me, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
He got the big records, some good records.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, you're a good kid too, man, super shot great
great energy, yeah yeah shot at two four they got
good energy. But I don't know if he was if
he knew I was on it, on it, on it
in the beginning.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
But I can tell you when we started releasing.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Records, his energy kind of changed, like yo, it hit
me stuck this next one.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
So he's already hitting you to do another project?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
So this project.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Did the response we damn the probably already started another
probably that's how we work.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Damn you guys working out here in La Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, he was working in Atlanta. I was in Philly.
But this shit sounded like we was together.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's fire. There you go, man, Man, you gotta be
pretty Uh. First of all, I want to talk about
just like the beginning of when you kind of got known. Like,
let's let's go back. What was your initial introduction into
getting on Hove's radar? Was it through your relationship with

(02:58):
Beans and the State Property shit?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Like, what kind of I can't even say that because
I didn't know Beans. A lot of people I said
it before, but State Property met at Rockefeller.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
That was something where it was we met after Rockefeller had.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Been at Rockefeller.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Everybody from Philly, of course, but Beans designed first.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Once Beans put their attention on the city, they came
searching right. Oh and Sparks Freeway, Yeah, I think Mac
met Freeway in the club. Me and these had a
personal relationship already. He moved from West Philly down to
North wild Lovet and started going to the same middle

(03:43):
school together. So we had a rapport. I felt like
we were the only ones that had a report before
we went up to the label, So yeah, everybody else
kind of met up at the label. Man, we was
in Baseline every day. You know what I'm saying, sleeping together,
eating together, creating.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And everyone's from the same place. So it's like, maybe
we should call.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It something then if i'm if I remember Dame saying
something like that, ya, I.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Need to form a group.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah, they see the love, the energy there, the music
is marvelous.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
So were the young Guns a thing already or did
you guys also then decide to be.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Like young Guns just became a thing.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
So I remember we was shout out to Steve eeg man.
That's man.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Steve bought a lot of people up to the city
around that time too. It Sadik Roal Roller, God bless
her soul. When we was at Steve about fourteen. We
used to be with Steve and I remember it's a
few other names like trouble Makers something whatever it was,
Young Guns is stuck. And to my right after that,

(04:53):
like right after because that's that's where money cash holes
came out.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Hmmm, that is so like right.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
After that it we was up there having the meetings
that's crazy. So that's we just we just we They
already would look at us as a group because how
we rolled together, Like I said, from middle school, high school,
we were together like a choir, so they already considered
us a group.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
But when we went up there, we made it. We
made it official. It's crazy because neath was rapping. I
wasn't even rapping. NIF was doing all the rapping.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So what what were you? What was your rolling the
crew then? If you were made the Helmie.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
No, I'm talking about before before the crew even existed. Yeah,
I'm saying when he came to North Philly.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, Oh, so when you guys ended up hanging out like.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
One Yeah, he wrapping in the lunch room. I'm playing,
I'm doing the Beast on the table.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
It's lit.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
One day we went to his crib at the school.
We walked home and he pulled out his uh chunk
on the system and pulled out his pen and paper.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
You know, we start writing. Was new to us. God
bless my man soul.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Jug He rode our first four bars. Yeah, and I
just kept that thing going.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
You just kept you know.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Of course, they acting like you think they hyping you
up anywhere.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I'll go like, spit it for them, spit that film
buds and then we would go to the studios. He
would do his records. Three verses.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
He'll let me do a hook. You know what I'm saying.
That turned into Hot nine seven Nath chilling there right,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
That was.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
That was like the end of the monster.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Those were, man, those like early Hot ninety seven Rockefeller moments.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
We're so legendary, too legendary. We got a call were
getting and this probably was my first time on radio.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
We had the two ways out, remember Carly hitting us
like on Tuesday Wednesday, Yo, Jay said be ready Friday.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
How often do you have to learn the verse that
you end up doing? Like and you go to ninety seven,
Like do you have to like like like if you
get the heads up, like Yo, I need you got
to be ready by Friday?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You better know that time.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's different timing, by the way, because it's live on
the radio.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yep, That's what I was doing.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And when she hung up from there until Friday, Yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Ar some practice.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Gotta get this ship down.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
To give it, damn man.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So you would initially today you see how they do
the Jones, they going in and play the actual record.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
And sing sometimes or even like you know, like if
somebody like I very much want people to get their
full freestyle out, so if they fuck up, we'll stop.
And I wanted to come across fire. Yeah, so it's
like we're not live on the radio, so it's like
we might as well if you if you prepare thirty
two bars and you come up here like I want, like,

(07:47):
let's get it right. You know what I'm saying, Like
it is what it is. I wanted to be good
for the artists and for I mean the best shit.
You know. Absolutely, So you ended up around Rockefeller initially
around the Money Cash Host which was volume two right yeah,
right after that was what I say, Hard Knock Life
tour right after, so right after the tour wraps up. Yeah, no,

(08:09):
that's crazy. What a legendary time, dude.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it's crazy, man, I have to be there.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I can imagine, are you for you? Like recently you
guys have been doing some State Property reunion shows.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, shout out the Cash Money which is with them.
That was amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm about to say, have that feel.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
It's always good to get with the gang man, like
feeling like no lover and telling what my gang and
we back on them stages.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
You know what I'm saying, arenas.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
And everybody has like so much. I just feel like,
you know, even just like recently I saw beans is
like starting to use AI to kind of.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, I can't wait for that.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I think that's dope. I think that if you're gonna
use AI, it's him writing this so exactly.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
You can't knock that one hundred percent. Yeah, I can't wait. Man,
Mac got a great.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Album, one of the greats man.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
He almost done.

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(10:34):
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Speaker 2 (10:36):
Dilated Pupils is that the jone we did the tour
with Kanye.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yes, so Dilated had that song with Yay.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I remember that I remember that the college.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Tour, Yeah, the College Dropout Tour. Yeah, so you guys
are opening I come. I think I'm like thirteen twelve
or thirteen at the time. Yeah, and we come. I
come to LA because you guys had two back to
back shows at the House Yeah, the House of bl Yes,
and I want to say, you guys brought out dub
C or Exhibit or you guys had like some crazy

(11:08):
guests in LA.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
But it was fucking ill. On that same tour, there
was the hip hop violinist John Legend was on that tour.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
They all was.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
It was a freak consequence GLC. It was like, but
all these people are just like background players the YAY set,
Like John Legend comes out and does vocals. No one,
no one this big his mixtapes set the Merchan booth,
by the way, I bought it that that Merchant. But
how crazy was the College Dropout Tour? Because I feel
like we look back and it's like, you know, Yay

(11:39):
just did so far, and you know sometimes we get
so like we forget, like where this dude came from.
Like that had to be a legendary.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
It was, man, one of the best tours I've ever
been on you know what I'm saying. And you know, like,
aside from us going with Whole or the prop right,
he was the only person that we ever went out
with right, just man.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
And like you said, you said it yourself.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
We're doing House of Blues two three nights back to back.
Martin Lawrence sent them across. It's like with a time man.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
When you get because at that time, I mean, this
is a huge I mean that college drop outs the
biggest ship at the time, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
But yeah, because you guys have ever.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Envisioned the future, like Yay's one of the most influential
artists of all time. You know what I'm saying, Like
it's kind of wild.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I can't say I visited. I won't lie, but he
always was different. I gave I give him that.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Do you remember, right Yego left right?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know what I'm saying, and it worked for him.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, you were also on the Dream Team record, the
Champions record, which.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I won't right before I won't right before Beans.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Well that was like rocket want a Baby.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Not the Mother Baby, even sit a shots. I think
I started the record off.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
One of the greatest posse cuts ever shot to Dame,
we're putting it together. But also that might have been
the first time I think any of us heard yea
like really rap rappy. That was, like I want to say,
that was one of the first Kanye like commercially released verses,
the first one.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
And I know y'all heard the story a million times.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Twister was on it because that was also the first
time I was like, oh, Twist is Rockefeller.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
What the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
They're putting together the goddamn the fucking dream Team.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I'm not even going to laborate. They know it. Everybody
heard it.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
But that was the time when Dame ran in that
booth into me and Max such and such getting robbed.
We threw them up, headphones off, niggayah me all ass
damn there.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah, that was that day while you were recording that song.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
While we in the middle of that record. After that
happened and he came back to the student, that's when
Man had to finished his my verses already done.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Man came back finishes j.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah that song, and we was ain't quiet. They're crazy,
you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't know you know who got rapped.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean the world.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
No, what year was this.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I don't even think he got robbed.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
They was trying to they was trying to was they
was trying to lay on my man, They.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Was trying to lay on easy. Oh yeah, they was
trying to lay.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
On some some mass niggas trying to lay on.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you guys are recording your verses, Kanye is here
arriving to do his, and there's.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Was out eating.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Okay, he was out eating, but I'm sure yeah, he
was gonna come to do his verse after he was done.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Right. He had a young lady. I was out eating,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And they tried to They tried to rob him in
the quad lobby or what.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
No, they ain't succeed. They was in the restaurant. Okay,
we just went to the restaurant, sat down, hid it
o yay. When he was done eating his food, went
back to the stow.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Interesting. Yeah, that's that's I feel like there's there's a
there's a podcast about just the night you guys recorded
Champions that needs to happen one day.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, all right. It was It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
So what they got, Wow, shout out to damn.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Everybody made their own ship. Shout out to Day.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's a great record, great regge man, great regget.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
All time posse cut for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah right, yeah, to thank you. We never performed a Zoe.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's crazy, yo, if you I mean, look, there are
people who you could do it with on the on
the tour, but you can't obviously do it all. I
mean unless you're in Chicago. You get twisted to come out,
you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, the twist I
always like to think back to, like Twister getting the
Rockfeller chain is like one of the craziest. Yeah, that
was a fucking moment shot.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I was dead for that one too. And when Yay,
when when the chain?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yay?

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Were you in the Chicago?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Were you in the studio when Freeway battles Cassidy?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Jay Z lines Freeway up against Cassidy. Swizz Beats got casts,
It's on YouTube. This is an all time allure, just
legendary battle and hip hop.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
We had just left Hot ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Right then, you guys end up at the studio of
about nine seven.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
We had Hot Night, We had Baseline now ready to record,
Ready to work.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
He called hip Hop and I just remember hip Hop
was telling us to come on.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
He grabbed me Oschino and Freeway. They should bring us three.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
And you know, Mac just came anyway.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
They weren't gonna had Matt go against Cash, so he
just came shure, we got that motherfucker's studio dog tomorrow.
Ship was packed by fifty people, fifty or more than
that motherfucker. Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
All rough riders, Jesus holding the.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Back and then its chilling, and he's like, pick one.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah. See that's how we had to be. We had
to be ready like this.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
You never know, rapping our get a call to come
to the stool.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
And we're right back in and rumble in the jungle,
just thrown right back into it.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Throwing minute.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
So they picked one and and I think that Swiss.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Somebody said freeway.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
So Swiss picked Freeway.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah, I think somebody else up. I remember swissing that freeway.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Had he said you would you have been ready?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I had to. I ain't got no choice.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah, because that would have been I mean then then I.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Had no choice about to be ready. Crazy was a
million miles of running around that.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Time shot to Cassidy. Cassidy were just we were just
talking to do oh Black from Atlanta. We're talking about
Cassidy's punchline wise all timer, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Cash Cash and ship with that ship Cash, you know,
that's what Cash started out with.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Also Philly legend.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
He was b you know what I'm saying on the
radio station and ship, right, Cash used to be body
and ship before he before he got with Swiss.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
What was everyone's feeling like, because I feel like this
is really before the Internet's like, I mean, this is
like when this tape was initially like being like running
around on the DVDs. It was like a legendary thing,
like you kind of YouTube wasn't around, so some people
saw some people didn't see if everybody had heard about it, Like,
how did y'all?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I think I've seen it out somewhere?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I was on YouTube right now. I just mean back then,
back then, it wasn't like you could just pop up
on YouTube and type in fucking freeway Cassidy battle. How
did everyone feel about it? Like afterwards?

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Oh man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
We were so much in our glory from leaving Hot
nine seven, right, I don't really I don't know who
it affected. I don't I don't even know if it
affected Free or how it affected Free.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Right, we want right back to party and right back
the baseline. Yeah, niggas ain't go home with their head
them or nothing.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Like that, right, I mean it was legendary.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Right back to business.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Can you tell me for you man, what was the
when you had went and went crazy on the Network
mixtape series and you kind of started heating up, Like
did that piff era of hip hop as young Chris
was that? I like, what was your approach like during
that era of your career because obviously there's the rock

(19:18):
and fellowship that kind of is you know, in shambles
or however you want to look at it. But I
feel like you man, you took the baton and just
were like, I'm gonna go do this myself.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
I never got off my bike.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I had to keep it going, man, even if it
was in mainstream, Like I always worked, always told him
DJ mcboogie.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Shout to make Boogie Man Cleveland right Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, I was on Cleveland Heavy.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Uh, DJ steph flows Cleveland again like I was doing
tape Don Cannon, Yeah, I had Cannon hosting the Giants
Endless Endless tapes, man, and I always felt the way
I feel about mixtapes, you could just be.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Free, well because they were free.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, you know, you can be free far as being creative.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You gotta worry about like label politics singles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
because it's like it's like, yeah, we're just gonna put
We're just gonna wrap, do what we want.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
We want and that'd be the best ship.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Did you? I remember you had the uh, what was
the fucking mixtape you did that looked like the Obama.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Logo campaign for change?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, I shout dj O Megan and i'myor how many.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Mixtapes do you think you actually ended up in the
dappif era because it had was a lot, dude, it
was a lot.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I was crushing them.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Got kind of season, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I said both well over twelve.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
This era was like a weird era in music too,
because you could be popping on the mixtape scene, but
in theory mixtapes you didn't necessarily get a bag off
of it, right, So it's like you.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Know, yeah, I figured I was and that ship. That's
how you know I was really doing it for the
sport bro because I was just giving it away right
even when they was on the before I got hip
to the iTunes, I was still driving up top to
my connect getting on my CDs and boxes and CDs,

(21:20):
and I would drive back down to Philly, you know,
the tru Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Because it felt like there were people making money on mixtapes.
But I don't know if a lot of it was
like artists as much as it was the DJ's facts,
because like there was like mixed unit dot com selling
all kind of fucking mixtapes man, and then what was
the homies name from Connecticut, Big Mike. Yeah, Uh, there
was hell of people. Like it felt like it was
like kind of a lick for a lot of DJs
who were smart enough to be like, Hey, I'm gonna

(21:44):
print these bitches up and hit all them and I'm
gonna they was doing up the street.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
They was on a clue and DJ call Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
For sure, for sure. Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Can you talk to me uh as a writer, because
I feel like people don't know like you are also
a prolific writer when it comes to, you know, being
in the studio, maybe helping people with certain lyrics and
ship and adding your penda stuff. When you are in
a studio session for another artist trying to add to
what they got going on, how different approaches that from

(22:17):
like when you're working on your ship.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Well A good question, because when I go to work
for other artists at first, just how I used to do.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I would I would try to.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Approach it from their standpoint, and I had to check myself, like,
you know what, they came to get me for a reason.
Let me give them my sauce. And if I go
in there and just you know, I.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Could write, I prefer that I'll just write like it's
for me.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
And when I bring it to them, we can patch
it up right, take this, move this, you know what
I'm saying. So that's when I figured that out. My
process became way quicker. M hmmm, because you gotta be figured.
You gotta be careful man, writing for some top dogs.
I'm trying to write the best shit ever form.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Are you Like if you say a bar that's too
crazy or you like, I'm you know what, I might
want to keep that to myself for my shit that
like I'm gonna tuck that.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Or the but because the bar might not fit the
particular art whoever I'm working for.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
I always wonder too, because like there was like this
era of Jay music where he very like he paid
homage to your guys' flow a lot.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I would say, like probably the Black Album era or
so where it was like a show he had the
the Young Guns flow a few times where it was
like it was I mean, and Jay is very like
he will pay homage to people's ship, like he'll do
like when he did the what was the record he
did with Outcast, the Popping Tags record? He did the

(24:01):
out Cast shit.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know what I'm saying, that.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Had to be kind of cool, like like, Yo, Jay's
kind of using our ship.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Hey, I always say you it's it's a blessing.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, do you because because I feel like, especially when
it comes to like the writing process, like we always
hear Jay is like one of the first guys to
like go and walk around that room and then just
go and lay it down.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Was there anything you learned from watching him so closely
in the studio that you were able to kind of
implement into your own kind of quarters.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Sure, that's one of the main ones right there, pushing
that paper to the side.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
And just like walking around and going through it in
your head and then you.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Go into the process and it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Uh so crazy too because I have my hurt stories
where it's like this guy literally will walk around for
like twenty minutes and then he goes in, he does
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Are you excited for uh? Are you gonna pop up
out any of these shows in uh the Yankee Stadium?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
I'm excited for that, man. I would love to man
the gang.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Know you especially feel like for the Blueprint night.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh my god, let's take us back home, right.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
It's gonna be a I mean, that doesn'ta be a
good good weekend. I keep hearing there's like rumblings he
might do one in LA. I hope.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So it's only right, man, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I don't know. I just feel like Yankee Stadium is
like hometown is ov after this.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Talk about Philly, Man, I feel like Philly is obviously
since you guys, I feel like you guys kind of
I mean, obviously shots are the roots, because the roots,
of of course, are very much a part of the
foundation of what we know. It's Philly hip hop.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
But yeah, we got a few little shooters right now.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
But today, man, I feel like the Philly ship is
going crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, a Mayor, a Lee. What's the other kid named.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wes Scriller, kids going crazy?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Wes something something West, a little slimmer, he nice Scrilla
going you know what I'm saying, Skriller going crazy. Of
course my man rider, Uh yeah, Wes fifty nine. Look
out for Shorty. They talking, man, they get busy. D
Jones reach Bangham. That's family.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Philly is very much like its own ecosystem of hip hop.
And they have the party music. Yeah, that's like hell
a different.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
They're too rare andough, too young, two of them. They
gotta turn.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
They got the fucking haircut with the guy.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
He's sturdy, too ready. Youngest got it rolling too.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's like his own thing.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Obviously got out showan Sloan.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
You know, I'm only supposed to bang that tape out
another one. We got so much time, man, you see.
And guys that my age is still doing it like
e Ness.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Chats and nests. Yeah, he was up here with with
Actually he came up here with Cassidy.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, No.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Ojis are still still cooking. I think the Roots are
working on some new ship. I thought Black Thought just
dropped the record.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, shot out the Black Guy one of.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
The greatest of all time. Something about the water in
Philly that just produces just bars. Yeah, I don't know
what it is. Is the is the like because it's
crazy because like, being somebody who doesn't live in Philly,
I feel like on TikTok there's like like Kensington goes
super viral because it's like Night of the Living Dead
out there, and then there's like people who are like, yo,

(28:37):
Philly's wild. But then I went out there for WrestleMania
a couple of years ago, and I was like, oh
it was it was dope. I didn't go to Kensington. Yeah,
but it's it is a pretty it's it's I mean,
the drug shit is hitting like Philly in a crazy
way because y'all got some ship that we ain't got
over here. That trenk shit is like.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
That horse horse horse hrick different. Yeah. I went the
four fourth rope a few weeks ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yeah at e c W.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, me being should we actually performed Shout out the
west Side, Guns.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Shout out the west Side.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, and my guy uh smoked Dizzer, my niggad Dizzer.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, shut out Dizzer or Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
The greatest one of the greatest wrestling cities in the world,
if not the greatest. They got a store there. That's
so fire.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I see they try to ban and they try to
shut them down. They ain't on them on the.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Fourth rope, did they?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah? Yeah, I seen something like they try to cancel him.
And I talked to the West Side from from speaking
on it.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Well, west Side they they like that they banned gun
from like going to w W shows. He can't even
buy tickets.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
That's crazy, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
And then they made him change off his artwork because
he had, like Psycho said and like Teddy b Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, they should have embraced it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
They should have.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, one hundred percent, man, are you you outside of this?
This young or this made a Tokyo project. Are you
working on any other solo ship?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Man, shout out v don
We got a hell of a tape right now, Cooker.
I'm actually going to the studio with Mike and Keys tonight,
fucking Mike and Keys very even though it don't stop.
Man and my guy the machine Bank Bink is crazy Bank.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
We grew up together, so you know what that's gonna
be like.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Would you like like nowadays, like being independent versus like
when you're in the mixtape game being independent after the
Rockefeller era? What's been the biggest difference.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Me having to do everything myself. Yeah, so you just
got got a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
More work, a lot more work, you know what I'm saying,
without a system.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Nah, I go, but I mean yeah, yeah, I mean
you learn from some of the best.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
H Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
If I tell them, man, it's ninety percent who you know,
ten percent what you know. And I got hell of connections.
I don't burn no bridges, so.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
We all right and lots of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, sarahs Ski, would you.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
And a your brother to get back together and do
another younger?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
For sure? For sure? For sure?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Or even like a nice I feel like a State
prop compilation would be nice. You guys are doing these shows, yeah,
popping up doing the I mean shit, why not?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah? I mean we brothers. I ain't the post none
of it? Man?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Was there anybody who almost got on the Can't Stop
Won't Stop remix? That didn't quite make it? Because obviously
Chingy delivers a classic performance for CHINGI.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Right, I don't know, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't know who picked ching shout out the ching Ling,
but I think we picked him.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
You know, he had a yeah, a major successive round.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Now he was on fire like self cover.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
He had number one records, he was on five, so
it kind of made sense. And that was just us
tapping into the middle West well and he because you
figure the record was already crazy back home in the East.
Then the West Coast. I'll tell you one of the
biggest markets was, uh the Bay Area. Oh yeah, shout
out the big Vaughn always say that from he's working

(32:14):
with km L. Yeah, man, And they was playing throwing
rush our albums, so damon them, ain't need to service
the record. Then they had to come back and service
it after that, cause we put that we put it
out as a mixtape youngest in charge. We just strew
it on the tape and then he just DJ DJ
enough Big Vaughn just took it.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Dame heard that mother for you, like, what's this? Oh
too big and all, Yeah, we got service this joint.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Next thing, you know, we're on for a red carpet,
MTV red carpet.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
They acted us.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
We would, Dame. He run around the Armadale bibles, they
asking us, what's our name, what's their name?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
What's their name? Dame like five thousand spends? You know
what I'm saying. You know, yeah, he was like, y'all
don't even know what y'all got right now.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
You know, we're so young, and my this we don't
We didn't know we had at the time.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Especially a five thousand spends the radio. It's crazy for
a mix tape record.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
For a mixed tape record back that time.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
So there wasn't anybody who like was talked about being
on the remix. It was just like, yo, this makes sense.
Chiney's young. He's from a different party.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Young, Yeah, same age record and and like I said,
we were trying to get up in that Midwest and
it worked.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, yeah for you man, can you you guys have
two incredible albums that I came out through Rockefeller. Tough
Love is to me one of the most left on
Rockefeller albums. Which album do you prefer? Brothers from another?
Tough Love? Yeah, I feel like you obviously you guys
put a lot more time into that album.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
The next album came out pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, Tough Love for sure. For sure, for sure, baby,
it's my first baby. And then you figured the second album.
It's kind of like we was doing that album. I
would say, doring the breakup that nobody knew about that, So.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
You know what I'm saying very much, I'm.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Sure Baseline ain't Baseline no more right at that at
that point, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, it's probably a more of an awkward recording.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, And then you know how I go. When everybody
get a little success. When we first was in there,
before there was just Beans, well it was Jay before
Beans even dropped. And then Free got to drop Philadelphia,
Free Young Guns. Everybody got their own success. We don't
have every Everybody don't have time to sit in Baseline

(34:40):
all day with the job.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Right were you guys? Like because you always do hear
like certain people kind of chose different sides, But it
felt like you guys were kind of in the middle
of that whole situation.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I always felt like we got caught up in the sweep.
I mean it was it was the youngest you can't
do no wrong.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Because state prop ends up with Dame, right essentially.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, we was on tour.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
We was on when all this is happening.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, at the time, I think David was at Death Jam.
We got to Death Jam for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
He was just letting us know he's about to roll,
things about to be different, and he wanted us to,
uh to roll with him. That's why when you peep
you she Bleake did the five three four yep, And
that's for me and these the brothers.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
From another around that same time.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, I don't think Beings is like say, oh, I'm
choosing to go with Dame.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Beings was incarcerated at.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
The time, right, So it kind of beans.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Came home to a bunch of bs M.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's like, hey, walk come home, by the way, this
is what's going on.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
They were still tight because I had the record called
Coast to Coast with Bobby Volentino, and I remember Jay
was excited about it, and we were telling him how
we're gonna shoot the.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
And a little bit after that, Mac came home. Mac.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I can tell you because I remember Mac telling me like, No,
told Jay, you got better records than this. You should
drop such and such, you should you should put Coast
to coast out Mandic Coast.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
The coast was already ready to be serviced.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, it sounds like a single. Bobby Valentino was on
the hook and this would have this was would have
been a Young Chris record or a out okay, oh
ship Okay.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, I don't know what happened. I know my man
dropped right after that. Fill it in the air.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Uh yeah, great tong, no beautiful song.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But I'm just saying, like, wait, so you and Bobby
Valentino had a full project.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
No, he was on He was on a few of
my records on the project.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, and this Young Chris. This would have been a
Young Chris album on Deaf Jam or on through Rockefeller.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yes, Sir J was over there and that was been
the first single. I mean, that's how we was talking
about it. We was getting in depth about how the
VID was going to be opening it up with the
tour buses and just showing the people stuff that they
don't see behind the scenes when we're on the road.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Damn. And it's crazy too because like we never get
this album, so what happens to the music?

Speaker 3 (37:20):
You might have heard some of it on the networks. Yeah,
And like I said, I never stopped working, so a
lot of that lot of a lot of us in
the vault. Man, I probably haven't lost lost more albums
than I put out in the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
And computer, because I think it's pretty obvious, like Jay
really fucked with you man, like creatively, so that whole
thing happens, and like do you just kind of get
bunched in, like are you like a casualty of it?
If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
That's again that's why I say I get caught up
in a sweep, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
But because Beings is your guy, obviously it's some Philly
ships and state property ship.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
But it's like, but that's why I take accountability of
not halving my business together, right, you feel me? Because
if I'd have had it together, they couldn't have did that.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Because you could have been like, nah, I'm going nah,
I'm doing it. They want this out. They believe it.
When I got going.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
On, I ain't pointing the finger. It was just just
shit happened. Man.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, hindsight twenty two.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But don't kill you, make you stronger. I know better.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Hindsight is twenty twenty. Did you guys all effectively eat
off of the state property clothing line?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
No, So who is behind the state property clothing line?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
If I show you a state property residual check from
one or two.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah you feel bad?

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Crazy?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah that shit wasn't man, I tell you the business
line right.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So it's like again, I'm taking account even though I
was the youngest motherfucker out there, I'm still gonna take accountability.
I didn't have my shit together. So I pointed out
this this dirty, filthy fucking game it is, man, it's
a filthy game because it's statement. And then everybody's screaming
is like familiar and familiar from so as a kid
you are. I mean, I'm fresh off the block, man.

(39:10):
We're putting our body on the line for anything with
this rucking filthy anything they go down, we outside front lining.
You know what I'm saying for sure, So you know
it was you was Was I hurt? One ship went
went left? Of course, I'm sure everybody was. If the
niggas just doing cub probably was hurt. If it was
any genuine love.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
You know what I'm saying, that's crazy, yeh, because.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I turned that bitter the better, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Clothes was everywhere too for a second. I mean they
was at Burlington, I know that, so they might right now.
It was right next to Outcast closing.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
You know, everything everything come around. You sell some tell
Max some Venus sp jackets right now, they'll go crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Not for sure, Yeah, no, I know. I have a
buddy of mine who somehow came into, like there's a
guy in Clarence who somehow came into like owning a
part of like state property clothing more like recently, and
he was like, I'm gonna bring it back, And I
was like, good luck. Yeah, I don't know, because yeah,
I was at them. Shit. Honestly, that shit was like

(40:18):
low key, some car hard shit though, So it could
work today for sure, because a lot of it was
like very like it was like some car heart type shit.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It was.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yeah, it was Dicky Carr. You put it up in
the same hitting pockets.

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Speaker 3 (41:00):
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Head over. So there's this like a battle that you
are also swept into. And this is the Beans versus
Jada thing. So Jada kiss. For people who don't know

(41:21):
that Jada and d Block, they might as well be
from Philadelphia the way they get love in Philly. Yeah,
we look, it's kind of crazy, especially then right d
blocks Jada like they love him in Philly. Yeah, he
does Powerhouse and somehow gets out of there. But Philly

(41:43):
becomes like that. I'm sure, like as a Philadelphia citizen
at that time, who's just a hip hop fan, you
gotta be kind of torn if you're at that concert
because you're like, we love you kiss but nah, not beans,
that's our guy.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
It's like it's like you come into an Eagles game,
the fans don't play.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Right, but it ends up like we get some amazing
back and forths and then obviously they end up you know,
bearing the hatchet later on. But like look at us now, right,
But how serious? Like quick was that? It was serious
because you guys are very serious.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
It was serious.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's nothing like today' be heightis they go at each
other's internet thing memes and shit, they link up, they
smile ass, nothing like that. There's nothing like that. I'm
embarrassed the way we had to ride it to say
how we had to ride around back then, right, you know,
I mean, I thank god that we all still here,
nobody got hurt. We all family now were torn together

(42:43):
now making money together. But it was crucial, bro, It
was crucial for sure, for sure. And it wasn't just
the answerage, you know, normally it'd be the anthravage that
starting snaw artists artist the artists, we was on bullshit.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You told me all bullshit and the and the iller
shit about it.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
When you think about it, right, it's like, why the
fuck was we beefing with them?

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Right? I mean that's a lot of that ship back then.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Question.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah, I can ask mag that, like, because we fuck
with niggas, I know, but you know, you know why
I'm saying that, right, Why was we beefing with them?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Okay, you know more than me.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
No, no, no, So with your perspective, why if I'm
telling you we fucked with them and anything?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
So let's see, why was that two thousand and two
or three? Yeah, so at that time, I'm fourteen fifteen
At that time, I'm just excited that I'm downloading this
ship off Napster. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, wait,
Jada and Beans are beefing.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
And just go back to what I was saying. We
was frontlining and putting our bodies online.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You got a problem.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
It was some bigger you got a problem.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Whatever, you got a problem, well, all right then, but
it was bigger than us, always bigger than us.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
So it was some Rockefeller rough Rider ship and obviously
Beans being who.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I can't even I don't even want to say Ruther
Feller rough ship. It might have been few individuals I
don't DMX. Ain't no telling like Jack to Hell and
I just know where it's front line. And well at
the time, how you you know, how you're out with
your homie and some ship go down and you gotta
we get it's going down, right, we'll talk about this
other ship, how it happened and all that when we

(44:31):
get home on the way outside is going down.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Especially when you're like the young like Jada Kisses like
obviously the street dude of like the locks are like,
and Beans is the crash out of Rockefeller, So everyone's
gonna jump out in front of whatever smoke might be
brewing in the background.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah, that's that's exactly how it went. That's why we're
able to be telling you how we are now, you.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Know, because it's like we weren't even we didn't even
have problems with each other.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Ain't no blood it's spilled.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
It was more about the big Hodies for sure.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Or it's about this is what it is. This is
my squad. You fuck with them, you fuck with us,
that's what it's about.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
That was like there was all the King of New
York talk. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
Yeah, I wasn't even paying attention to that.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Again, I was just rocking for sure the beans.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Man man trying not to get into the policy.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
I didn't even I was.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, I think I was too young to fucking know
the politics.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah, now, you just this is who I'm with. This
is what we're doing. My life has been changed. I
want to be I'm chasing my dreams were jumping out.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
If not even just my life would be changed, this
is who I'm with. That's the mentality we fresh out
the block. If I was with you and you can't
change my life, I'm rocking with you for together.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
We're out the bottom line, Like, yeah, bro, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Can you talk to me about, uh, what it's been like?
Just I guess, because you know, I feel like it's
twenty twenty six. Man, you're a fucking og at this point.
But I'm sure you get this a lot where people
will come up to you and like you're like, I
feel like you are a lot of rappers favorite rapper
if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, Like, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
You get flowers that we don't even know about people
like ya.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I say that to the people a lot,
like it's crazy you said that.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I said that before, Like.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I get more love from my peers than my fans,
and I would say more love. I would say, my
peers understand my body more than my fans, like right,
you know, like the fans a lot of them is
from Can't Stop No Better Love, like and that's a
blessing that they core they ain't going nowhere. But if

(46:43):
they ain't follow me after the Rock and Feller, they
don't know nothing about these network shit right right right,
right right right and.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Everything after that. This is why this is where the
urge come in.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
And like, yeah, I gotta show these niggas this shit
ain't no you know.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Even if you missed it, you'll double back to it
once I get hirt again.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, I just feel like there. Your mixtapes were very
much like this was like a special time in hip
hop or there's so much music int put out, but
you kind of had to be in Like yo, yo,
you're the young christ ship. That ship is Chris is
out here. There's a few artists like that. We'd be
like it was like your ship, the Joe Budden ship

(47:25):
at the time, like little music. Yeah, there's just something
like real, real dope. I missed the mixtape era because
I feel like it was very it was just pure
man Like even the blog ship, like the blog era
was fired to me.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
All right, man, it's just so much. It's like short
intensive span we heard they used in the damn chat thing.
Man niggas used this what it's called the chat ship
to write They raps, oh chat ChiPT Yeah, oh no,
it's diabolical chatch.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's the that's the world we are right now.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah's going there and say, hey, talk about this like
we damn if they ain't the cheat cool boy.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
You know what it is too, is like Jake Cole
just said that. He said that back in the day
when you had to go buy the CD and spend
your actual money on it, like you cared enough about
the artist to actually spend your money on the CD,
so you were participating in that artist. And so if
somebody who bought the album said the ship is whack,
all right, you deserve that opinion because you spent your money.

(48:22):
But nowadays there's all these like passive music fans who
have like fucking streams or whatever. They're not even hip
hop hits and buying it, and they're just they It's like,
it's like I don't want to hear somebody's opinion on
a j Cole album. Who wouldn't listen to a Jake
Hole album if they had to pay for it? You
know what I'm saying. It's like, Yo, shut the fuck up,

(48:44):
this ain't for you. Like I mean, like listen to
Playbook CARDI or something.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Respect.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
It's like, you Dan, they like, you gotta go fucking
viral along with the record today.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Yeah, I think too, though, motheruck's looking for a viral moment.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Like you know what I'm I think what you could
do is like take a page out of like like
a Freddie Gibbs or a Griselda's book. Yeah, and just
lock in run up that indie catalog. You have that
core fan base cultivated, grow it. Do a fucking full
album with Darrenger, Do a full album with you Made
in Tokyo, Do a full album with hit Boy whatever
the fuck Yeah, Yo, Mike and Keys, let's.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Do that's that's the space drop EP.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Even after that, I look at that like it's the
body work.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Can You are you? Is all the mixtape stuff on
DSPs or do you gotta find it on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yes on DSPs.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, like even that shit, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Know why did it take Network five off? Somebody was
telling me that ain't knowing.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
But like, you know, the other thing too, is like
a lot of artists these days were like I was
just talking to Black yesterday because the ten year anniversary
of his album's coming up. But like, dude, if you know,
like the Network series is celebrating like ten or twenty years,
do like a limited edition like two hundred and fifty
piece vinyl run and just sell that bitch out and
make one hundred bands real quick. Alchemists be doing that.
Ship dogchem be sell for like one hundred.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Fears whatever I said right there down I want to know.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
I'm saying, like you could do, Like imagine if you
did a Network vinyl box that you guys did one
hundred of them, sold it for two hundred and fifty
dollars or something. Network hit the Hit, the Hit the broke,
because because at the end of the day, people who
want to fuck with you, they want to they don't
want to stream, they want to stream your ship, but
they want to participate. They want to be like, yo,

(50:30):
no I fuck with this, let me buy this ship
or yo. So when you have those kinds of fans
like you got to take advantage of that. Otherwise it's
like you're just leaving money on It's like going to
I hate when I go to a motherfucker's concert and
they ain't got merch for sale. I'll be like, what
are we doing? I'm trying to buy ship from you
and there ain't no merch guy? Oh no, you know
we merch wasn't done in time. I'm like, hey, man, listen,

(50:52):
brou you got fans, let them participate in the in
the in the brand, bro. The vinyl will go crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I think the vinyl will go crazy for sure, especially
if you do like the first network on vinyl, that'll
go crazy. Which one was green? Wasn't the first one?
Was it?

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Oh? Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Imagine the green splatter vinyl limited edition. Sell one hundred
of them, bitches. Come on, man, that's easy, that's sell out,
easy work of course. Man, how uh these days? How
close are you to beans?

Speaker 3 (51:35):
We tied it intent till someone socks boy.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, have you heard any of his new music?

Speaker 2 (51:41):
That's amazing. I was talking about the.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear it, just because I
think beans is you know.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Little kid?

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I want to leak one with you right now.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
I mean when we think about you know, we always
hear people say like, who's got the best like three
or four album run consecutively. I'm like, I'm Beanie Siegull.
Don't get talked about it? His first four yeah, all
the way to the becoming.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
I don't know, man, Yeah, this new world, they judge
you off the space you went today, and damn really
don't count.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Is it hard for you to still, like, I guess,
lace your boots up and get into this rap shit
when it's like such a different world like it Sometimes
I can imagine something like, Yo.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
This is the ship that's working.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
What the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Right? It ain't hard to do it?

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Get boring, I'll be like, off it, Tom.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
What about have you when the last time you talked with.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Hope, like two years ago, I was at the.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Super Bowl fire.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
I guess that'd be the time dropped it up with
him at the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, I just that's crazy.
You had that solo album ready to go. Did you
have the name for the album? Never Never Never Crazy?
That have been hard the big big what if? What if?

Speaker 3 (53:04):
It?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Hip hop? The detox from Doctor Dre Now we're never
from Young Chris crazy. No, No, that's got you gotta
end up putting that out though. If you find the files,
for sure, you gotta. You just gotta say fuck it.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Oh, I got to recreate and still use the title.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Find those old beat. I'm sure just Blaze had production
on there.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Ain't nothing like them old junks.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Man, Kanye probably had production on there.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Shawn c.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
L v irdotate with them, uh tone and polk to
the track masters, Yeah, man, I got endless record, went
to the crib and was just knocking joints out shout
out to that.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I just was in. They had an artist from Brooklyn.
Remember we were in New York. I was to we're
at the track masters studio. What's the old boy's name,
the drill dude. We went to his football field, we
went to his high schoo Rosh Swish signed a ton
of poke through Empire, but we were at I was like,
we're at the track Master Studio. It was like in

(54:09):
Brooklyn where all the Jews are the Hasidic Jews. I
mean that was that by the way, it might gonna
get canceled, you know, the yeah, yeah, yeah. Then motherfuckers
got their own police out there.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
They were like, you could get stabbed in front of
the cop and if you're not a Hasidic Jew, they're
gonna walk right past you. All right. So we got
the project dropping in May, Yes, Sir, made in Philly.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Maid in Philly. Man signed just get my feet wet.
Let them know I'm back active.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
How many joints?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Are you guys rapping together on this? You're just on
his beats?

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Nah, I'm just on this beach.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
He just yep, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Ransom featured on there. Lloyd Banks, damn Philadelphia Freeway. Jesus yep,
my younger choir from back back home.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Oh, that's gonna go crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah, you have some good, good good people on the
Shout to Ransom, shou out to bank Ransom Beef.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
It's crazy. Lloyd Banks has been putting out so much
music and I don't know what he looks like in
twenty twenty six because he doesn't do interviews, he doesn't
post on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
He just puts puts.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Albums out his funck shut up. Per Hey Banks is
a very good example of what we just talked about,
because he'll drop a merch piece and it'll sell out
and he don't do no interviews. Shout out to Lloyd Man. Well, listen,
I'm looking forward to the album's coming out.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Of me Fellers. Get on over that.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, yeah, misera, I get the merch.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Man, I get on it.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Uh, anything else coming besides that?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Like I said, the project that's next to come, We're
gonna keep bombing. It ain't gonna stop. You know what
I'm saying. Huh yeah, yeah, shout out Davis Man, it's
my brother, great guard. Yeah, we already we know we
gotta double back with another fine down there there, you're happy.
It's only right man, trying to get bucked, like you said,

(56:17):
trying to get on this more neath, give him one.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
More you guys should do. Why not you guys doing shows?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Man?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Why not walk in for like a week?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Call up? I mean ship man.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I feel like everybody, there's so many producers would be excited,
get the heat makers to do some ship with y'all.
You know what I'm saying, dibble and dabble like you know.
I don't know what Just Blaze is doing right now
because he seems to disappeared. But if someone can find
Just Blaze and tell him, he's, in my opinion, my
favorite producer of all time, or like just Alchemists.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Yeah, come on, man, Alchemists, Huh, I ain't never be because.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
He lives in Santa Monica. It's easy, it does easy work,
and he's got a h He's got a show coming
up with Primo here in La in May. I will
text him.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
I'm trying to work.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
I will text him. Shout out to al Shout out
to young Chris Man. The new album, Yes, Sir, nine
Joints coming in May. We don't know exactly when yet. Yeah,
sometime in May.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
You're gonna get that Nina and made though.

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