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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's the Bootleg cav Show. We are here. We got
a special guest man his new album, Moving Towards Love
Pink out now yes, the second in a series of
color albums. Yes, yes, So you had the everything in
My Soul that was blue, which was blue, and now
we're moving towards pink And if you have not heard
the album yet, it is incredible. It's obviously a lot
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of I feel like, uh, you know, towards your females. Yeah,
out there for sure. You have a big female listening core.
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Man, I'm discovering that I had a bigger female listening
core than I thought I did.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Just assume it's like Dusty that podcast the guys that
look like Sallacy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now as funny as I was talking to the dish
about it, because we was like, yo, we got to
figure out a way to improve the ratio, you know,
with women. And then it jumped so fast that they
was basically saying like it let them know that there
are a lot of women that are aware of me,
but they maybe weren't listening because I wasn't making stuff
that you know what I mean, they can play you
get what I'm saying. Because they were saying, like for
its to jump, for the percentage to jump as quick
(01:03):
as it did, there was like we didn't have to
go find new people that to discover you.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
They were already there. They were just waiting for you
to give them something that they actually you get what
I'm saying. I wanted to listen to Was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This a harder project to make because it's obviously the
first time you've really put that hat on.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And like, yeah, it actually it was actually pretty easy because.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I've made a lot of relationship songs.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's just when I was, you know, boxing too a
certain set, I couldn't really explore the way that I
wanted to, you get what I'm saying, Like, I made
Turns Up Records because I like to make music that
represents my life. So it's like I've you know, been
in a lot of situationships or relationships. I go outside
and I'm out, you know what i mean, Like from
the street to Las So it's like I make stuff
(01:44):
with my life, you know what i mean. So I've
made a lot of turns Up shit. I made a
lot of shit for relationships, and I've made a lot
of the stuff that people know me for the most.
It's just that that was what was being released, So
this was it was actually pretty easy to be honest
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I didn say because it's like if you got kind
of like no, it's like I'm going into this. It's
a concept. Yeah, it probably makes it a little easier
to be like, all right, look, we're just gonna do
twenty of these or however, you know, because exactly that,
and then you broke it up into discs.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, broke it up in the disc because I wanted
to do something different, Like I feel like there's a
lot of projects that's about love and relationships, but it's
always the same story.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's like guy does something.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Stupid, loses girl, he's trying to get girl back, you
know what I mean, And that's kind of like the norm,
and so I wanted to just walk through what an
actual relationship looks like, which is you meet the girl,
everything is great on both sides. She the best thing
you ever met, you know what I mean, vice versa,
and then it just kind of progresses from there and
it gets more serious and more serious, and I want
I felt like that would have been the most relatable
thing because that's something that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We literally all lived through, you know what I mean,
and then you either get married or you break up
and break it up, you go do it again, or
you catch her cheat because.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
She's a whore. Yo, are you gonna do? Because I
feel like the physical has got a kind of low
key before discs. Yeah, yeah, it would be like, yeah,
that's a high it's been. It's been a high costs.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's been boxing us in a little bit or trying
to figure out one years like four size.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, we've been trying to figure out how to how
to make it, how to be able to like make
it a tangible product that we could sell that involves
all of them. And I'm not gonna Lie've been running
in the walls on that and we're like setting aggressive timelines.
So that's not helping because it's like we have these
timelines that we have to hit, but we have to
come up with ideas but still.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Keep pushing the music, you know what I mean. So
it's been tough.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's been a couple of years since you've left the
TD situation. Would you say you are more happy now
as an artist?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
For sure? For sure? Like it was for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I used to try to explain to people while I
was like like over there, like I made Porchase, which
was my last project there.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I made that project. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
When people like that project, it's so refreshing to me
because I made that project like depressed, Like I was
literally like clocking into a job.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was work.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It was work. Like I would go to the studio,
I get there at twelve and I'd just be looking
at the like I can't wait for you know, six
to get here so I can get the fuck up
out of here.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And go home, you know what I mean. And so
making that project was really really hard. I had to
like go to other places and record to be able
to make it because I just wasn't in the headspace,
you know what I mean. And so definitely like I'm
I'm I'm more happy. I think the biggest thing I'm
happier about is the fact that like the music is
coming out in real time, Like I get to drop
music and it's who I am now, whereas when I
(04:24):
was dropping it. Then it'll be a song that somebody
loves and they can relate to. And I'm like that
was me three.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Years ago, right, Like I made this song three years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm not even that person no more, you know what
I mean. Like, and then I got to go and
perform it, and I'm like, I don't even want to
rap this shit no more, because I feel like a
lame version of you know what I mean myself?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like I feel like I'm faking it, you know what
I mean? And that's never been something that I'm good
at doing.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do you think you could do because obviously we know that,
like it's obviously over there, it's a lot more stuff
spread out. Yeah, it ain't like you're dropping three albums
in a year. Yeah, I was gonna say, could you
even know? Like, because I feel like even just the
idea of doing like these concept projects where it's like, Okay,
I have this, I have the blue album, and then
the pink album, and I don't know if there's any
other color school. Yeah, your manager may or may not
(05:06):
have let me in a secret. But is that even
something you feel like you could have done?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that's what that's what I mean by like the
happiness about it, and like the freedom to create is
like I used to go into a project and be
like I gotta cram all different parts of me inside
this one body of work, but still make it feel cohesive.
You get what I'm saying, like, because I'm like, I'm
not gonna be back up to bat for.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
A minute at least. Yeah, And you don't want it
to ever sound dated because you're like, Okay, I know
this might not come out for a couple of exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So then it's like I'm scratching records that I love
because it feels dated, you know what I mean? Or
the beats feel dated, Like I remember me and Azy
Schike did a joint and then it was like by
the time Portress was coming out, it felt dated, like
the beat feeld dated, and I was just like, h like,
and me and Tike was kind of on the same pages,
like it don't really make sense, you know what I mean,
Like because we did it like two and a half
years before that, so.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You obviously, man, I feel like have always set yourself
apart when it comes to just like being one of
the best lyrical, lyrically gifted guys in Southern California. Is
it kind of like not to say like because I
feel like, you know, me and Salas were talking and
he was saying like he feels like this is your
best like song like songs the song, right is it
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like for you, like have you seen because you have
fans of yours that are very much like they're there
for the bars for sure, Like have you seen the
like obviously you see more people coming to the party
who are females, But have you did you see any
of like the feedback from like those fans.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's so funny that like I got a couple of
fans that's like die hard fans, like I've been talking
to him for years and they hit me and they
was like when they first dropped, they was like, man,
reason like I'm not gonna lie. I'm not really the
same what we want the same way, Like I'm not
really fucking with it. And then they'll name like certain
songs that they like and it's like it's the more
bar heavy songs. But it's funny because literally every single
one of those fans came back and it's only been
(06:56):
out for like a week, but they came back like
a few days later, and they was like, you're the
probably grown on me. Like it's almost like once the
expectation of like coming into a rap rap album run away,
they were like, you know, and I just told them.
I said, that's the whole point in me being able
to drop as frequent as I can, because if you don't,
if you hear for bar bar heavy reason, you could
just go and listen to Blue, like it's Blue is
right there. It's not it's not relatively relatively new. You
(07:18):
get what I'm saying, Like, in comparison to what you're
used to getting from me, you're used to getting something
every two to three years from me, That shit is
five six months.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's crazy because you've dropped like three albums the last
year and a half a cent.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like like I Love You Again, which
is shorter project than Everything in My Soul, which we
did a full one to when we dropped the deluxe
and then we just did this one's a full length.
So that's literally what I told him is like Blue
is right there. And that's why I started with Blue,
was because I want us to take care of my
core fans first.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, like I watch something for you.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I got something right for y'all that's in y'all pocket
that you know, I know you're gonna love. There's no
you know what I mean. And now we can kind
of get a little bit more creative and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I feel like the most anticipated thing for you that
has become like, Uh, what the fuck is up with
you and cos doing this goddamn album you guys have
been talking about forever. It's like, if you guys have
to have the best song on the.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Dream album, it's on cause man like, like.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's my brother, isn't he kind of is? He's not
in it anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He's good, He's good to go. He's good.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
He told me he want a studio right in here.
Take it for sake.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He told me he wanted to go solo first, which
I gotta respect. But I'm like, but my whole thing,
I just.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Like you'd be waiting for I just go take a
long likes and just drop. You know what I'm saying.
But now it's funny.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We actually just talked about that at the release party and.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
He started it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
We got like forty five records like we could drop
tomorrow if niggas want to suppressed them, but we could, honestly,
you know what, So this and I haven't told nobody this.
The songs that people have been getting from me with.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Cause in like the last year and a half are
like songs supposed to be on that. I'm just like,
I'm taking the songs that sound a little bit more
dated and and and I'm showing cause because they all
love the songs, like the Tired of Fucking These Holes
record that's on there, that was me and co that
was on our project. I dropped a little quick three
pack before we went into the Pink rollout and they
had a record on their Across the Fall that was
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on our project.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Like, I've just been putting those.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Records, the ones that sound a little dated, and I
know they're not gonna make the album. I've been just
kind of putting them out just to keep the anticipation
there and to show cause, like bro, there's a market
there for it. Like we're kind of just like blowing
a good situation right now, you know what I mean,
because people are never gonna wait forever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
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have still been obviously. I feel like the Dreamville guys
have held you down every since then. My brother Boss
(10:59):
was on the line album obviously, because what can you
speak to just because I feel like sometimes when you're
in a position like you were in where you have this,
I mean, whatever you want to call your situation with
TD falling out whatever, a little messier than you probably
would have liked, and they would have liked whatever. You know,
people will kind of back up off certain people. Yeah,
but I thought it was dope to just see the
(11:20):
Dreamville homies still like hold you down.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And yeah, and like I genuinely appreciated that because, like
you said, it's one of them situations, especially because people
don't all they know is what they see, And so
we had the messy situation that was live in public,
but you don't see like any of the mended relationships
and some nothing like that right behind closed doors. So
it's easy to be a person that's kind of in
the middle that could be like, you know, like I'm
just gonna be hands off. It's not that our own
(11:43):
fuck a reason, but I just don't want to, you know,
step on your toes and they really leaned in like
they like literally I talked to damn near everybody from
Dreamville after that shit happened, and they were just all
like genuinely just like, yo, we hear if you need me,
you know what I mean, Like if you need us
from E B all the way down, like you know
what I mean, like if you eat as we hear.
But like you know, I'm you know, we rocking with you,
(12:03):
and we're proud of you for standing for what you want.
Because what's the point of doing this ship if you're
not gonna be happy doing it?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know what I mean. That was kind of the
sentiment all the way through.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So those are homies, like I love him to death,
Like I was just talking to Jid like a couple
of weeks ago, like they it's all been the same
with them.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So Drainville got like they family with me.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's like some of the nicest people in all bro
like the nice the nicest people, Like I always hanging
out with Boss.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm like ya, Boss, like you're you're so cool, You're on.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Why are you that much of a great guy all
the time?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You get what I'm saying, Like, yeah, it's crazy, you
know what I mean like in bosses like man, him
and EB are like the biggest hearted and it's even.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Coldes that way, Like like Cole bro Cod.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Stayed on the phone with me one time for an hour,
like helping me with like relationship problems. Wow, like I
don't know you like that, you know what I mean? Like,
and I text him and asked him a question. We
were talking about music and then I just asked him
for advice. I was drunk and I asked him for
advice on some relationship.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Ship and he called me it's like tien p.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And we stayed on the phone for like hour hour
and a half like talk about relationship ship, Like he
don't he don't know me from a campaign, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Not pass like the music we made, that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Can you pass on Jake the number one thing you
took that you apply to future relationships from your Jake
Cole conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Man, you know it's crazy, And I'll tell you when
we when we off camera, because it relates to like
the times that we in. But one of the things
that he said that that really stuck with me is
he said, there's gonna be a time where you have
to choose. You're gonna have to choose whether you want
to give up like it's fun. We know it's fun.
Like it's fun, it's addicted. You're gonna have to choose
whether you want to give up that to grow up
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and have the other ship that. You don't know how
much you're gonna love that, but I promise you're gonna
love it on the other side.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But you don't know because you haven't experienced it. You
have to choose if you're gonna give that up to
be able to grow and have that, or if you're
just never gonna have that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He was like, and I'm not here to tell you
which one is for you, you know what I mean.
He was like, but you're gonna you're gonna have to
And he was basically saying, it's the same thing with
like anything you chasing, Like if you're chasing a dream,
like you're gonna have to choose if you chasing a dream,
are you gonna give up the fun and the bullshit
to exactly you know what I'm saying, Like, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The exact same thing, you know what I mean. So,
but he went a little bit more in detail, I'll
tell you when the cameras are man. Yeah, man, you.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Know it's crazy to me because like, to me, the
fall Off gets better and better every time I listen
to it, Bru And.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The Internet called me a cold stand, but I don't
be giving.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think it's his second best album.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what I got it as a second best album.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I'm just like, every time I listen to it,
I'm like, I just don't understand that. Me and my
boy Amen is not a big DJ. Man. He wouldn't
mind me saying this, but he's not a big fan
of the Cold album. And I'm like, dog, how this
ship is?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So you know, you know, you know what I think
that Cole did if I could say my opinion wrong
on this album, which even if there are my legends
and my goats, I you know, criticize if I see fit,
what I think he did wrong is that I don't
think that he had a good enough pre roll because
a lot of people went into the album expecting the
Black Album, which what I mean by that is just
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like just a great rap body of work, and then
they went into a concept album, and I feel like
once it came out and people understood the concept and
then they were able to live with it. The project grew,
Whereas if you would have went in on the front end,
you're just like, this is a lot exactly, Whereas if
you go in on the front end already knowing like, Okay,
he's talking about what he's twenty nine and thirty nine,
and this is picking up from this, And I feel
(15:26):
like people picked up on it after you get what
I'm saying, and then it started to grow. And it's
funny because like, literally even with our rollout with this project,
I hit the group chat and I was like, what's
happening with Coka, happened with us?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
We gotta do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We got to explain this project on the We got
to communicate this project on the front end, and that's
when we started doing a lot of content to explain it.
That's when I decided to break it up into four
disk and all that, because I was like, I want
people to understand what they're listening to.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But I feel like even if you would have did
the first half one week and then the Friday after dress.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I think it would have been received.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's what I'm saying, Like, I just think it was
all in the rollout, like he just kind of dropped
this bitch. He just put it out, you know what
I mean, Like, which is very Coleessee though, like he
just cares about the music. That's all he really gives
a funk about is the music and the shows, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So I want to know your thoughts. I've been seeing
a lot of people critiquing Los Angeles Southern California hip hop,
essentially saying like we've gotten to this space where a
lot of LA artists are making the same kind of
records and essentially doing their best Draco the Ruler renditions. Yeah, yeah, I've.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Seen those conversations.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
But obviously you have been a part of the other
side of the coin, which to me is like, you know,
obviously the TD shit is, But what are your thoughts
just on like the health of where we are?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Honestly, yeah, I think it's a conversation that's blown out
of proportion. Like I feel like everybody, I don't think
it's an LA thing. I think it's like a hip
hop thing. Like if you go to Atlanta, ninety percent
of the Atlanta artists you find are going to sound
the same. You know what, I'm saying, like, if you
go to New York, niggas was making drill, like whatever
the you know what I'm saying, whatever the hot sound is,
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ninety percent of the city is gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's not an l A thing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I also feel like the people that survive off
of that content where they just keep you know, beating
in your head.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
This is the LA problem. This is an LA. It's
like y'all not listening to you're You're a part of
the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You're literally there's so many LA artists that's doing for
outher ship and you're not covering them. You're not talking
about you know what I'm saying, You're not embracing them
as part of LA. But it's almost like you push
them out like that don't sound like LA. But then
you get mad at people for sounding like you get
what I'm saying, like it literally doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You look at what the yodi's like.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What they're doing, bro, it's fire fire, you get what
I'm saying, Like, it's like and they're successful in bubbling
in their own lane. But it's like, why is nobody
like when you talk about L A R. Why are
you not Why are you not having them in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know what, I'm killing it. They got bro.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Like, they got they got the culture of what LA
feels like. You know what I'm saying, like, why are
you not talking about them? Why are you not talking
about you know, like my project while you're not talking
there's a bunch of artists that I have to do
now not drop the Fire project. Like there's a bunch
of dope LA artists that don't sound like that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
TF got a crazy album?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
TF got a crazy album?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Like, That's what I'm saying, Like, I listen to everybody,
and so it's like I hear the different pockets and
then it's like that allows me to be able to
appreciate the fact that when somebody does make a quote
unquote LA sounding album but it's really good, I can
appreciate it because I'm not only listening to LA all
the time to where that project might not fail on
my ears the right way, because that's all I've been
(18:31):
fucking diving into it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's like too, it just is what it is. It's
like there's like artists like Shortline Mafia who like run
the radio right now in LA. Yep, that's a fact,
and they're big everywhere. But like you, if you went
to like I don't know, Atlanta or testa User or something,
you're not gonna hear like YG Hollywood or you know,
(18:54):
shortline Rock. But if you get in the car out here,
it's like the best tests.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Like the best test of music that you can possibly he.
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was hoping that the GNX moment would have resulted in
that sound becoming more popular, popular for someone outside of Kendrick. Yeah,
(20:27):
because it's like I feel like Kendrick could do whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And it's gonna work, like it if he made an
opera album, We're gonna find a reason to like you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like Country Tomorrow, everybody make
it not sense, like hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And that's and it's funny because like that's even with
my own music, That's why I've always I've always kind
of like like been kind of like giving pool with
the going to La route because as much as I
love LA music, I know that worldwide like it's not
accepted in that type of way. You get I'm saying,
like I got homies in New York that hate gn X,
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's for me. It's my literally second or third favorite Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Lamer album, which is high for his discography, you know
what I'm saying, Like, and so.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's Sallas's favorite, Like it's Sallas's favorite, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Liked that's the favorite album.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But I say that to say like it's like, like
you said, it didn't resonate in the whole world wanting
to hear our sound.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I thought that's what it was gonna come, not here
and not like I'm like, Yo, this shit is. It
feels like, oh, this might be a real turn. But
I also I also got to say a lot of
artists did not deliver on the other end of that,
because I feel like the YG album that came out
kind of came and went. You know what I'm saying,
I feel like that was a moment.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's what I was just about to say that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I feel like, and I don't know what went into
the process of picking the artists that were on gn X,
I don't know, but I feel like if Dot would
have picked more artists that are more consistent in their
art to be on there, I feel like it would
have I feel like post g X would have went differently,
like if if West Side Boogie was on there and
(22:05):
then he drops after that, you get what I'm saying.
There's a lot of artists I can name, I go
down a long list, but I feel like if he
would have picked artists that are just more consistent in
their business and their delivery of art and stuff like that,
I feel like the post would have went a lot better.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I think like, obviously shout to Paso. Paso is
going crazy while he's going crazy, but I feel like
there's like a few urs You're like, I mean, it's
like those spots could have went. Yeah, delivered a very
memorable moment on that album, for sure, and it got
a Grammy for sure, you know, but I do think
I'm like, damn, it'd been nice if like Zoe was
on there or like even though I know o GZ
(22:41):
is huge in the Superstar, but he's not like Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's what I like.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
If you would that sound like shortline, like shortline, you
know what I'm saying, Like those type of like artists.
I feel like it would have resonated in the music
traveling farther after gn X, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like, and I think that's another one because he took
it and I just got to.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Like Tike Is.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've been telling people Shrike is is. He's been one
of my favorite West Coast.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Whatever they're doing right now with the album, they're overthinking.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I literally just put we were at your birthday, but
were at your birthday part.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I walked up the hike and I literally the first
thing I said, I said, whatever you think is not.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Done, it's done. Just put it. I said, just put
it out.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's literally the words that I said, whatever you Thinkike,
that's not done, put it out?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
What promise you was done? Put it out, work it,
repeat and then repeat the process.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's like something like or like it's like, this is
how you got here, bro.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is literally how I became a fan of Tike
because I kept hearing Shrike and I kept finding right
Shike records that I fuck with.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I love him, and Roucie had a dope colab.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Super crazy shout out to shout out to Roochie.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, but that's what I mean, Like, I feel like
if that was the pocket of artists and that's not
at all the ship on the So when y'all hear
the Young Mad whatever, but I think it would have went,
you know what I mean a little bit better post
post your next for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All Right, So if this is the Pink album, what
colors next? Or are there other colors coming?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There are other colors coming, There's there's there's two more
colors coming. And I'm even flirting. This is a far
out idea. I didn't even told Salard ship, but I'm
even flirting on if I if I spin back and
do the color series again in like a couple of years,
then I might make every.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Color a collab album.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So I might grab, like for Blue, I might grab
another artist and do that album with Blue and there
from Pink might grab like an R and B artists.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But we got Red coming, and then I'm not ready
to talk about the last color yet because I'm still
working out some of the details.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't want it to change. But Red is coming
to Red is coming like fast.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So Red, Yeah, we're spending the box of Red. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And so it all, it all coincides. It's like everything
in my soul is moving towards love. But I'm too
trapped in the city. And so that's just the first
time I'm giving that name of that album, which is
trapped in the city.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, so the Red album is trapped in the city.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, exactly, that very la centric album, exactly. And I
love being able to drop these so close because, like
I said, it takes away that fear of like an
artist being like what if my this Like you said,
what if this fan?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's like, well, right, pink is right there, you know
what I mean, Blue is right there, Red is right there.
So if there's different versions of reason that you liked more,
that music is still there. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So can you speak from the artist's perspective and experience,
because you have a unique experience where you've been on
the opposite, the opposite end of the spectrum where you
drop very seldomly to where now you're able to drop
when you want. And I know a lot of artists,
whether they're independent, whether they're a major artist, whatever, it
is a lot of times they'll overthink putting music out
(25:34):
and you know, adding to the catalog at a pace
that you know, because I feel like people overthink everything. Man,
I don't got enough content shot.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or people overthink everything down to like the posts that
they post on you know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So I want to just from your perspective, man, like,
how does it feel to be able to just be
free and be like, Yo, we're not overthinking this. I
mean obviously you're you're putting thought into it because you're
showing these concept albums, but just is it like a liberal?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Is it work?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Like do you regret being like yo, we drop back
to back now.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's it's literally one of those things where because I
am even still in my life, I'm an overthinker, but
it's one of those things where when you get freedom
taken away from you. It's like anytime that I'm thinking
about overthinking something.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's what I go to is the fact that, like
you fought to have the ability to do this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You get what I'm saying, Like, even me and Salla's
talk about it all the time, like I'll hit him
and I'll be like, bro, like the dish ro is
just like every fucking day to call him my phone,
call him and sounds like, well, nigga, you ask for this,
like this is what you want you, this is what
you want it, you know what I mean. And so
it's like when I am about to overthink something, that's
the way I view it, and I just always tell
myself like, it's never It's never what you think. It
(26:46):
is basically saying like you you get up to play
and you want to hit a homer every time. You're
not going to hit a home run every time. So
it's like, why are you overthinking it? Just swing the back,
make contact, you know what I'm saying, and get on base,
and then sooner or later you'll not want you know
what I'm saying, You'll not going out the park, you
know what I mean. But I think that that's what
artists do is they just overthink, overthink, overthink, and they
don't understand that while you're overthinking, especially if you had
(27:07):
a moment and a wave, if you're overthinking, you lose
the moment. Like the only way you can lose it
is if you give your moment or fire or gas
away to somebody else. And the easiest way to do
that is by just literally not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
By just sitting on the bench.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Just sitting on the bench, bro, just sitting on the bench.
And you know, if you're a huge artist, you can
do that. If you're Frank Ocean, if you're a Sisa,
if you're Drake, you can sit and then wait for
three years and then you know, when you come back,
it'll be it'll be a moment. But if you're not,
you gotta it's too much going on in this world, bro,
Like people's attention span is so short.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
All right, So look this album is out. You got
the record with Eric Bellinger's Dope. I know you got
a video for that out, are you? Are you? You
already got the next thing like finished?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeaheah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So we we just dropped the Humbleum video with Couzins.
That was yesterday, if I'm right, Yeah, yesterday, we just
dropped that video. We're gonna shoot a video for uh
fuck Up the Vibe. That's FEU TV on the project
with Kaylin.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So we're gonna shoot a video for that and then
my director Chris, I'm kind of giving him creative control.
He wants to shoot two different videos, so I told him,
whatever songs he want to shoot, you know what I mean,
we can knock them out. And Chris is like the
best when it comes to like the creative shitt and
stuff like that. So we're doing that. And then honestly,
other than that, just gearing enough for shows. We got
to show up the rock Sy on the twenty eighth,
May twenty eighth, so if you' all in town, please
(28:26):
pop up to that twenty eighth. If you're in New York,
we got to show on May fourteenth at the Racket.
And I'm just working, bro like it's it's literally NonStop
and it's tiring, but I'm having fun doing it, you
know what i mean.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So and then I'm assuming we're gonna get this other
album before the end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yes, yes, one thousand got it got to be in
the summer. It gotta get a summer. So yeah, we
we sprinting racing too that to like to make sure
that we get that one turned in. And so, uh,
that one I'm gonna have to pull up on niggas
to get my cause I wanted to be feature heavy,
but I don't want to wait on la niggas you
about to say, you know, I gotta pull like I
need this, literally got to pull up. That's how I
(29:01):
got the Kaylin record. And I've been knowing Kaala since
we was kids.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You gotta pull up.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I just yeah, caught out and say, hey, what are
you doing like I'm about to just pull up to night? Yeah, exactly,
and my man, he late the.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Verse there is my dog. I appreciate your reason. Go sport.
The album's out right now, moving towards Love Pink and
uh yeah. I mean we're gonna get a lot of
new music this year.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
A lot of new music this year.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I do appreciate you. May always go watch the freestyle
we just did two manes out right now.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
That's just what's westo.
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Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah,
It's the Bootleg cav Show. We are here. We got
a special guest man his new album, Moving Towards Love
Pink out now yes, the second in a series of
color albums. Yes, yes, So you had the everything in
My Soul that was blue, which was blue, and now
we're moving towards pink And if you have not heard
the album yet, it is incredible. It's obviously a lot
(00:24):
of I feel like, uh, you know, towards your females. Yeah,
out there for sure. You have a big female listening core.
Is that a thing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Man, I'm discovering that I had a bigger female listening
core than I thought I did.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Just assume it's like Dusty that podcast the guys that
look like Sallacy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now as funny as I was talking to the dish
about it, because we was like, yo, we got to
figure out a way to improve the ratio, you know,
with women. And then it jumped so fast that they
was basically saying like it let them know that there
are a lot of women that are aware of me,
but they maybe weren't listening because I wasn't making stuff
that you know what I mean, they can play you
get what I'm saying. Because they were saying, like for
its to jump, for the percentage to jump as quick
(01:03):
as it did, there was like we didn't have to
go find new people that to discover you.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
They were already there. They were just waiting for you
to give them something that they actually you get what
I'm saying. I wanted to listen to Was.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
This a harder project to make because it's obviously the
first time you've really put that hat on.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And like, yeah, it actually it was actually pretty easy because.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I've made a lot of relationship songs.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's just when I was, you know, boxing too a
certain set, I couldn't really explore the way that I
wanted to, you get what I'm saying, Like, I made
Turns Up Records because I like to make music that
represents my life. So it's like I've you know, been
in a lot of situationships or relationships. I go outside
and I'm out, you know what i mean, Like from
the street to Las So it's like I make stuff
(01:44):
with my life, you know what i mean. So I've
made a lot of turns Up shit. I made a
lot of shit for relationships, and I've made a lot
of the stuff that people know me for the most.
It's just that that was what was being released, So
this was it was actually pretty easy to be honest
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I didn say because it's like if you got kind
of like no, it's like I'm going into this. It's
a concept. Yeah, it probably makes it a little easier
to be like, all right, look, we're just gonna do
twenty of these or however, you know, because exactly that,
and then you broke it up into discs.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, broke it up in the disc because I wanted
to do something different, Like I feel like there's a
lot of projects that's about love and relationships, but it's
always the same story.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's like guy does something.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Stupid, loses girl, he's trying to get girl back, you
know what I mean, And that's kind of like the norm,
and so I wanted to just walk through what an
actual relationship looks like, which is you meet the girl,
everything is great on both sides. She the best thing
you ever met, you know what I mean, vice versa,
and then it just kind of progresses from there and
it gets more serious and more serious, and I want
I felt like that would have been the most relatable
thing because that's something that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We literally all lived through, you know what I mean,
and then you either get married or you break up
and break it up, you go do it again, or
you catch her cheat because.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
She's a whore. Yo, are you gonna do? Because I
feel like the physical has got a kind of low
key before discs. Yeah, yeah, it would be like, yeah,
that's a high it's been. It's been a high costs.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It's been boxing us in a little bit or trying
to figure out one years like four size.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Or something like that.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, we've been trying to figure out how to how
to make it, how to be able to like make
it a tangible product that we could sell that involves
all of them. And I'm not gonna Lie've been running
in the walls on that and we're like setting aggressive timelines.
So that's not helping because it's like we have these
timelines that we have to hit, but we have to
come up with ideas but still.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Keep pushing the music, you know what I mean. So
it's been tough.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It's been a couple of years since you've left the
TD situation. Would you say you are more happy now
as an artist?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
For sure? For sure? Like it was for a long time.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I used to try to explain to people while I
was like like over there, like I made Porchase, which
was my last project there.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I made that project. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
When people like that project, it's so refreshing to me
because I made that project like depressed, Like I was
literally like clocking into a job.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was work.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
It was work. Like I would go to the studio,
I get there at twelve and I'd just be looking
at the like I can't wait for you know, six
to get here so I can get the fuck up
out of here.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And go home, you know what I mean. And so
making that project was really really hard. I had to
like go to other places and record to be able
to make it because I just wasn't in the headspace,
you know what I mean. And so definitely like I'm
I'm I'm more happy. I think the biggest thing I'm
happier about is the fact that like the music is
coming out in real time, Like I get to drop
music and it's who I am now, whereas when I
(04:24):
was dropping it. Then it'll be a song that somebody
loves and they can relate to. And I'm like that
was me three.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Years ago, right, Like I made this song three years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm not even that person no more, you know what
I mean. Like, and then I got to go and
perform it, and I'm like, I don't even want to
rap this shit no more, because I feel like a
lame version of you know what I mean myself?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like I feel like I'm faking it, you know what
I mean? And that's never been something that I'm good
at doing.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Do you think you could do because obviously we know that,
like it's obviously over there, it's a lot more stuff
spread out. Yeah, it ain't like you're dropping three albums
in a year. Yeah, I was gonna say, could you
even know? Like, because I feel like even just the
idea of doing like these concept projects where it's like, Okay,
I have this, I have the blue album, and then
the pink album, and I don't know if there's any
other color school. Yeah, your manager may or may not
(05:06):
have let me in a secret. But is that even
something you feel like you could have done?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that's what that's what I mean by like the
happiness about it, and like the freedom to create is
like I used to go into a project and be
like I gotta cram all different parts of me inside
this one body of work, but still make it feel cohesive.
You get what I'm saying, like, because I'm like, I'm
not gonna be back up to bat for.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
A minute at least. Yeah, And you don't want it
to ever sound dated because you're like, Okay, I know
this might not come out for a couple of exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So then it's like I'm scratching records that I love
because it feels dated, you know what I mean? Or
the beats feel dated, Like I remember me and Azy
Schike did a joint and then it was like by
the time Portress was coming out, it felt dated, like
the beat feeld dated, and I was just like, h like,
and me and Tike was kind of on the same pages,
like it don't really make sense, you know what I mean,
Like because we did it like two and a half
years before that, so.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You obviously, man, I feel like have always set yourself
apart when it comes to just like being one of
the best lyrical, lyrically gifted guys in Southern California. Is
it kind of like not to say like because I
feel like, you know, me and Salas were talking and
he was saying like he feels like this is your
best like song like songs the song, right is it
(06:19):
like for you, like have you seen because you have
fans of yours that are very much like they're there
for the bars for sure, Like have you seen the
like obviously you see more people coming to the party
who are females, But have you did you see any
of like the feedback from like those fans.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's so funny that like I got a couple of
fans that's like die hard fans, like I've been talking
to him for years and they hit me and they
was like when they first dropped, they was like, man,
reason like I'm not gonna lie. I'm not really the
same what we want the same way, Like I'm not
really fucking with it. And then they'll name like certain
songs that they like and it's like it's the more
bar heavy songs. But it's funny because literally every single
one of those fans came back and it's only been
(06:56):
out for like a week, but they came back like
a few days later, and they was like, you're the
probably grown on me. Like it's almost like once the
expectation of like coming into a rap rap album run away,
they were like, you know, and I just told them.
I said, that's the whole point in me being able
to drop as frequent as I can, because if you don't,
if you hear for bar bar heavy reason, you could
just go and listen to Blue, like it's Blue is
right there. It's not it's not relatively relatively new. You
(07:18):
get what I'm saying, Like, in comparison to what you're
used to getting from me, you're used to getting something
every two to three years from me, That shit is
five six months.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's crazy because you've dropped like three albums the last
year and a half a cent.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like like I Love You Again, which
is shorter project than Everything in My Soul, which we
did a full one to when we dropped the deluxe
and then we just did this one's a full length.
So that's literally what I told him is like Blue
is right there. And that's why I started with Blue,
was because I want us to take care of my
core fans first.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, like I watch something for you.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I got something right for y'all that's in y'all pocket
that you know, I know you're gonna love. There's no
you know what I mean. And now we can kind
of get a little bit more creative and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I feel like the most anticipated thing for you that
has become like, Uh, what the fuck is up with
you and cos doing this goddamn album you guys have
been talking about forever. It's like, if you guys have
to have the best song on the.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Dream album, it's on cause man like, like.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's my brother, isn't he kind of is? He's not
in it anymore.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
He's good, He's good to go. He's good.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
He told me he want a studio right in here.
Take it for sake.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He told me he wanted to go solo first, which
I gotta respect. But I'm like, but my whole thing,
I just.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Like you'd be waiting for I just go take a
long likes and just drop. You know what I'm saying.
But now it's funny.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We actually just talked about that at the release party and.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
He started it. Bro.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
We got like forty five records like we could drop
tomorrow if niggas want to suppressed them, but we could, honestly,
you know what, So this and I haven't told nobody this.
The songs that people have been getting from me with.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Cause in like the last year and a half are
like songs supposed to be on that. I'm just like,
I'm taking the songs that sound a little bit more
dated and and and I'm showing cause because they all
love the songs, like the Tired of Fucking These Holes
record that's on there, that was me and co that
was on our project. I dropped a little quick three
pack before we went into the Pink rollout and they
had a record on their Across the Fall that was
(09:10):
on our project.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Like, I've just been putting those.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Records, the ones that sound a little dated, and I
know they're not gonna make the album. I've been just
kind of putting them out just to keep the anticipation
there and to show cause, like bro, there's a market
there for it. Like we're kind of just like blowing
a good situation right now, you know what I mean,
because people are never gonna wait forever.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
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have still been obviously. I feel like the Dreamville guys
have held you down every since then. My brother Boss
(10:59):
was on the line album obviously, because what can you
speak to just because I feel like sometimes when you're
in a position like you were in where you have this,
I mean, whatever you want to call your situation with
TD falling out whatever, a little messier than you probably
would have liked, and they would have liked whatever. You know,
people will kind of back up off certain people. Yeah,
but I thought it was dope to just see the
(11:20):
Dreamville homies still like hold you down.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And yeah, and like I genuinely appreciated that because, like
you said, it's one of them situations, especially because people
don't all they know is what they see, And so
we had the messy situation that was live in public,
but you don't see like any of the mended relationships
and some nothing like that right behind closed doors. So
it's easy to be a person that's kind of in
the middle that could be like, you know, like I'm
just gonna be hands off. It's not that our own
(11:43):
fuck a reason, but I just don't want to, you know,
step on your toes and they really leaned in like
they like literally I talked to damn near everybody from
Dreamville after that shit happened, and they were just all
like genuinely just like, yo, we hear if you need me,
you know what I mean, Like if you need us
from E B all the way down, like you know
what I mean, like if you eat as we hear.
But like you know, I'm you know, we rocking with you,
(12:03):
and we're proud of you for standing for what you want.
Because what's the point of doing this ship if you're
not gonna be happy doing it?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
You know what I mean. That was kind of the
sentiment all the way through.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So those are homies, like I love him to death,
Like I was just talking to Jid like a couple
of weeks ago, like they it's all been the same
with them.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
So Drainville got like they family with me.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's like some of the nicest people in all bro
like the nice the nicest people, Like I always hanging
out with Boss.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm like ya, Boss, like you're you're so cool, You're on.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Why are you that much of a great guy all
the time?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You get what I'm saying, Like, yeah, it's crazy, you
know what I mean like in bosses like man, him
and EB are like the biggest hearted and it's even.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Coldes that way, Like like Cole bro Cod.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Stayed on the phone with me one time for an hour,
like helping me with like relationship problems. Wow, like I
don't know you like that, you know what I mean? Like,
and I text him and asked him a question. We
were talking about music and then I just asked him
for advice. I was drunk and I asked him for
advice on some relationship.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Ship and he called me it's like tien p.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And we stayed on the phone for like hour hour
and a half like talk about relationship ship, Like he
don't he don't know me from a campaign, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Not pass like the music we made, that's it.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Can you pass on Jake the number one thing you
took that you apply to future relationships from your Jake
Cole conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Man, you know it's crazy, And I'll tell you when
we when we off camera, because it relates to like
the times that we in. But one of the things
that he said that that really stuck with me is
he said, there's gonna be a time where you have
to choose. You're gonna have to choose whether you want
to give up like it's fun. We know it's fun.
Like it's fun, it's addicted. You're gonna have to choose
whether you want to give up that to grow up
(13:37):
and have the other ship that. You don't know how
much you're gonna love that, but I promise you're gonna
love it on the other side.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But you don't know because you haven't experienced it. You
have to choose if you're gonna give that up to
be able to grow and have that, or if you're
just never gonna have that.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
And that's what he said.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
He was like, and I'm not here to tell you
which one is for you, you know what I mean.
He was like, but you're gonna you're gonna have to
And he was basically saying, it's the same thing with
like anything you chasing, Like if you're chasing a dream,
like you're gonna have to choose if you chasing a dream,
are you gonna give up the fun and the bullshit
to exactly you know what I'm saying, Like, it's.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The exact same thing, you know what I mean. So,
but he went a little bit more in detail, I'll
tell you when the cameras are man. Yeah, man, you.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Know it's crazy to me because like, to me, the
fall Off gets better and better every time I listen
to it, Bru And.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The Internet called me a cold stand, but I don't
be giving.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think it's his second best album.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
That's what I got it as a second best album.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I'm just like, every time I listen to it,
I'm like, I just don't understand that. Me and my
boy Amen is not a big DJ. Man. He wouldn't
mind me saying this, but he's not a big fan
of the Cold album. And I'm like, dog, how this
ship is?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So you know, you know, you know what I think
that Cole did if I could say my opinion wrong
on this album, which even if there are my legends
and my goats, I you know, criticize if I see fit,
what I think he did wrong is that I don't
think that he had a good enough pre roll because
a lot of people went into the album expecting the
Black Album, which what I mean by that is just
(15:05):
like just a great rap body of work, and then
they went into a concept album, and I feel like
once it came out and people understood the concept and
then they were able to live with it. The project grew,
Whereas if you would have went in on the front end,
you're just like, this is a lot exactly, Whereas if
you go in on the front end already knowing like, Okay,
he's talking about what he's twenty nine and thirty nine,
and this is picking up from this, And I feel
(15:26):
like people picked up on it after you get what
I'm saying, and then it started to grow. And it's
funny because like, literally even with our rollout with this project,
I hit the group chat and I was like, what's
happening with Coka, happened with us?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
We gotta do.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
We got to explain this project on the We got
to communicate this project on the front end, and that's
when we started doing a lot of content to explain it.
That's when I decided to break it up into four
disk and all that, because I was like, I want
people to understand what they're listening to.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
But I feel like even if you would have did
the first half one week and then the Friday after dress.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
I think it would have been received.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
That's what I'm saying, Like, I just think it was
all in the rollout, like he just kind of dropped
this bitch. He just put it out, you know what
I mean, Like, which is very Coleessee though, like he
just cares about the music. That's all he really gives
a funk about is the music and the shows, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
So I want to know your thoughts. I've been seeing
a lot of people critiquing Los Angeles Southern California hip hop,
essentially saying like we've gotten to this space where a
lot of LA artists are making the same kind of
records and essentially doing their best Draco the Ruler renditions. Yeah, yeah, I've.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Seen those conversations.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
But obviously you have been a part of the other
side of the coin, which to me is like, you know,
obviously the TD shit is, But what are your thoughts
just on like the health of where we are?
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Honestly, yeah, I think it's a conversation that's blown out
of proportion. Like I feel like everybody, I don't think
it's an LA thing. I think it's like a hip
hop thing. Like if you go to Atlanta, ninety percent
of the Atlanta artists you find are going to sound
the same. You know what, I'm saying, like, if you
go to New York, niggas was making drill, like whatever
the you know what I'm saying, whatever the hot sound is,
(17:06):
ninety percent of the city is gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's not an l A thing.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
And I also feel like the people that survive off
of that content where they just keep you know, beating
in your head.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
This is the LA problem. This is an LA. It's
like y'all not listening to you're You're a part of
the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You're literally there's so many LA artists that's doing for
outher ship and you're not covering them. You're not talking
about you know what I'm saying, You're not embracing them
as part of LA. But it's almost like you push
them out like that don't sound like LA. But then
you get mad at people for sounding like you get
what I'm saying, like it literally doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
You look at what the yodi's like.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
What they're doing, bro, it's fire fire, you get what
I'm saying, Like, it's like and they're successful in bubbling
in their own lane. But it's like, why is nobody
like when you talk about L A R. Why are
you not Why are you not having them in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know what, I'm killing it. They got bro.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Like, they got they got the culture of what LA
feels like. You know what I'm saying, like, why are
you not talking about them? Why are you not talking
about you know, like my project while you're not talking
there's a bunch of artists that I have to do
now not drop the Fire project. Like there's a bunch
of dope LA artists that don't sound like that.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
TF got a crazy album?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
TF got a crazy album?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Like, That's what I'm saying, Like, I listen to everybody,
and so it's like I hear the different pockets and
then it's like that allows me to be able to
appreciate the fact that when somebody does make a quote
unquote LA sounding album but it's really good, I can
appreciate it because I'm not only listening to LA all
the time to where that project might not fail on
my ears the right way, because that's all I've been
(18:31):
fucking diving into it.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
It's like too, it just is what it is. It's
like there's like artists like Shortline Mafia who like run
the radio right now in LA. Yep, that's a fact,
and they're big everywhere. But like you, if you went
to like I don't know, Atlanta or testa User or something,
you're not gonna hear like YG Hollywood or you know,
(18:54):
shortline Rock. But if you get in the car out here,
it's like the best tests.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Like the best test of music that you can possibly he.
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was hoping that the GNX moment would have resulted in
that sound becoming more popular, popular for someone outside of Kendrick. Yeah,
(20:27):
because it's like I feel like Kendrick could do whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And it's gonna work, like it if he made an
opera album, We're gonna find a reason to like you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
You know what I'm saying, Like Country Tomorrow, everybody make
it not sense, like hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And that's and it's funny because like that's even with
my own music, That's why I've always I've always kind
of like like been kind of like giving pool with
the going to La route because as much as I
love LA music, I know that worldwide like it's not
accepted in that type of way. You get I'm saying,
like I got homies in New York that hate gn X,
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's for me. It's my literally second or third favorite Kendrick.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Lamer album, which is high for his discography, you know
what I'm saying, Like, and so.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's Sallas's favorite, Like it's Sallas's favorite, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Liked that's the favorite album.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
But I say that to say like it's like, like
you said, it didn't resonate in the whole world wanting
to hear our sound.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I thought that's what it was gonna come, not here
and not like I'm like, Yo, this shit is. It
feels like, oh, this might be a real turn. But
I also I also got to say a lot of
artists did not deliver on the other end of that,
because I feel like the YG album that came out
kind of came and went. You know what I'm saying,
I feel like that was a moment.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
That's what I was just about to say that.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I feel like, and I don't know what went into
the process of picking the artists that were on gn X,
I don't know, but I feel like if Dot would
have picked more artists that are more consistent in their
art to be on there, I feel like it would
have I feel like post g X would have went differently,
like if if West Side Boogie was on there and
(22:05):
then he drops after that, you get what I'm saying.
There's a lot of artists I can name, I go
down a long list, but I feel like if he
would have picked artists that are just more consistent in
their business and their delivery of art and stuff like that,
I feel like the post would have went a lot better.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
In my opinion.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I think like, obviously shout to Paso. Paso is
going crazy while he's going crazy, but I feel like
there's like a few urs You're like, I mean, it's
like those spots could have went. Yeah, delivered a very
memorable moment on that album, for sure, and it got
a Grammy for sure, you know, but I do think
I'm like, damn, it'd been nice if like Zoe was
on there or like even though I know o GZ
(22:41):
is huge in the Superstar, but he's not like Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's what I like.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
If you would that sound like shortline, like shortline, you
know what I'm saying, Like those type of like artists.
I feel like it would have resonated in the music
traveling farther after gn X, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Like, and I think that's another one because he took
it and I just got to.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Like Tike Is.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've been telling people Shrike is is. He's been one
of my favorite West Coast.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Whatever they're doing right now with the album, they're overthinking.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I literally just put we were at your birthday, but
were at your birthday part.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I walked up the hike and I literally the first
thing I said, I said, whatever you think is not.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Done, it's done. Just put it. I said, just put
it out.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's literally the words that I said, whatever you Thinkike,
that's not done, put it out?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
What promise you was done? Put it out, work it,
repeat and then repeat the process.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's like something like or like it's like, this is
how you got here, bro.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
This is literally how I became a fan of Tike
because I kept hearing Shrike and I kept finding right
Shike records that I fuck with.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I love him, and Roucie had a dope colab.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Super crazy shout out to shout out to Roochie.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, but that's what I mean, Like, I feel like
if that was the pocket of artists and that's not
at all the ship on the So when y'all hear
the Young Mad whatever, but I think it would have went,
you know what I mean a little bit better post
post your next for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All Right, So if this is the Pink album, what
colors next? Or are there other colors coming?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
There are other colors coming, There's there's there's two more
colors coming. And I'm even flirting. This is a far
out idea. I didn't even told Salard ship, but I'm
even flirting on if I if I spin back and
do the color series again in like a couple of years,
then I might make every.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Color a collab album.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
So I might grab, like for Blue, I might grab
another artist and do that album with Blue and there
from Pink might grab like an R and B artists.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
But we got Red coming, and then I'm not ready
to talk about the last color yet because I'm still
working out some of the details.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't want it to change. But Red is coming
to Red is coming like fast.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
So Red, Yeah, we're spending the box of Red. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
And so it all, it all coincides. It's like everything
in my soul is moving towards love. But I'm too
trapped in the city. And so that's just the first
time I'm giving that name of that album, which is
trapped in the city.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, so the Red album is trapped in the city.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, exactly, that very la centric album, exactly. And I
love being able to drop these so close because, like
I said, it takes away that fear of like an
artist being like what if my this Like you said,
what if this fan?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's like, well, right, pink is right there, you know
what I mean, Blue is right there, Red is right there.
So if there's different versions of reason that you liked more,
that music is still there. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So can you speak from the artist's perspective and experience,
because you have a unique experience where you've been on
the opposite, the opposite end of the spectrum where you
drop very seldomly to where now you're able to drop
when you want. And I know a lot of artists,
whether they're independent, whether they're a major artist, whatever, it
is a lot of times they'll overthink putting music out
(25:34):
and you know, adding to the catalog at a pace
that you know, because I feel like people overthink everything. Man,
I don't got enough content shot.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Or people overthink everything down to like the posts that
they post on you know.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
What I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So I want to just from your perspective, man, like,
how does it feel to be able to just be
free and be like, Yo, we're not overthinking this. I
mean obviously you're you're putting thought into it because you're
showing these concept albums, but just is it like a liberal?
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Is it work?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Like do you regret being like yo, we drop back
to back now.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's it's literally one of those things where because I
am even still in my life, I'm an overthinker, but
it's one of those things where when you get freedom
taken away from you. It's like anytime that I'm thinking
about overthinking something.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's what I go to is the fact that, like
you fought to have the ability to do this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
You get what I'm saying, Like, even me and Salla's
talk about it all the time, like I'll hit him
and I'll be like, bro, like the dish ro is
just like every fucking day to call him my phone,
call him and sounds like, well, nigga, you ask for this,
like this is what you want you, this is what
you want it, you know what I mean. And so
it's like when I am about to overthink something, that's
the way I view it, and I just always tell
myself like, it's never It's never what you think. It
(26:46):
is basically saying like you you get up to play
and you want to hit a homer every time. You're
not going to hit a home run every time. So
it's like, why are you overthinking it? Just swing the back,
make contact, you know what I'm saying, and get on base,
and then sooner or later you'll not want you know
what I'm saying, You'll not going out the park, you
know what I mean. But I think that that's what
artists do is they just overthink, overthink, overthink, and they
don't understand that while you're overthinking, especially if you had
(27:07):
a moment and a wave, if you're overthinking, you lose
the moment. Like the only way you can lose it
is if you give your moment or fire or gas
away to somebody else. And the easiest way to do
that is by just literally not doing anything.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
By just sitting on the bench.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Just sitting on the bench, bro, just sitting on the bench.
And you know, if you're a huge artist, you can
do that. If you're Frank Ocean, if you're a Sisa,
if you're Drake, you can sit and then wait for
three years and then you know, when you come back,
it'll be it'll be a moment. But if you're not,
you gotta it's too much going on in this world, bro,
Like people's attention span is so short.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
All right, So look this album is out. You got
the record with Eric Bellinger's Dope. I know you got
a video for that out, are you? Are you? You
already got the next thing like finished?
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Yeaheah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So we we just dropped the Humbleum video with Couzins.
That was yesterday, if I'm right, Yeah, yesterday, we just
dropped that video. We're gonna shoot a video for uh
fuck Up the Vibe. That's FEU TV on the project
with Kaylin.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
So we're gonna shoot a video for that and then
my director Chris, I'm kind of giving him creative control.
He wants to shoot two different videos, so I told him,
whatever songs he want to shoot, you know what I mean,
we can knock them out. And Chris is like the
best when it comes to like the creative shitt and
stuff like that. So we're doing that. And then honestly,
other than that, just gearing enough for shows. We got
to show up the rock Sy on the twenty eighth,
May twenty eighth, so if you' all in town, please
(28:26):
pop up to that twenty eighth. If you're in New York,
we got to show on May fourteenth at the Racket.
And I'm just working, bro like it's it's literally NonStop
and it's tiring, but I'm having fun doing it, you
know what i mean.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
So and then I'm assuming we're gonna get this other
album before the end of the summer.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yes, yes, one thousand got it got to be in
the summer. It gotta get a summer. So yeah, we
we sprinting racing too that to like to make sure
that we get that one turned in. And so, uh,
that one I'm gonna have to pull up on niggas
to get my cause I wanted to be feature heavy,
but I don't want to wait on la niggas you
about to say, you know, I gotta pull like I
need this, literally got to pull up. That's how I
(29:01):
got the Kaylin record. And I've been knowing Kaala since
we was kids.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
You gotta pull up.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I just yeah, caught out and say, hey, what are
you doing like I'm about to just pull up to night? Yeah, exactly,
and my man, he late the.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Verse there is my dog. I appreciate your reason. Go sport.
The album's out right now, moving towards Love Pink and
uh yeah. I mean we're gonna get a lot of
new music this year.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
A lot of new music this year.
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I do appreciate you. May always go watch the freestyle
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