#658 - Zilla Fatu on Carrying His Father’s Legacy, Jacob Fatu, 4th Rope, WWE Dreams, 6 Yrs in Prison & More

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Bulet Cap podcast. We got a special guest in here, Zilifa.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Two. Let's go maybe thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello, you're in LA defending your title? Eh? How many
titles you got? Because I feel like you're missing a
title at least.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I am man. I'm also the fourth rope champion over there.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
So for people who don't know, if you're not a
wrestling fan and you're watching this because you're you would
be considered I think you're the biggest independent wrestler in
the country at least right Like, I feel like in
the US, you are the guy who's headlining every show.
You know, if there's a big weekend the ww has,
there's all the indie shows to follow, and you are

(00:44):
the face of those shows.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
What is it like?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
The territory game is not what it was like when
when we read about kind of the eighties and the
early nineties. So there's all these different promotions. You're able
to hold titles simultaneously in different promotions for different company.
So what like kind of break down the politics of that?
Because I'm like, there's people who are watching these who
are not wrestling fans. They're gonna be like, Yo, what
is what is hog what is Fourth Rowe.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Like, so obviously you guys have WWE and then you
have the other you know, aw whatever, these major platforms TNA.
So I'm on, Uh the indis you know, quote unquote,
that's our linguo for wrestlers in this wrestling world. And
it's the independent circuit where wrestlers that don't have no
contract nothing, and we can work, we can go work anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
You're like a mercenary.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah yeah. And these promotions they have, uh, these promotions
are obviously they're produced from New York, different places. Fourth
Rope is in Buffalo, New York. Yeah, uh so they
all come from different places. And you know, with certain promotions,
were able to book you know, your your dream matches

(01:55):
rather if it's a you know, atleastair black versus carrying
across you, you would be able to see that at
these motions, right. So and then yeah, that's what it is.
It's all these independent contractors, all these independent wrestlers on
this independent show where we don't you know, have a
deal or no contract. And yeah, I'm the face of
House of Glory and for Rupe.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
So give me for people who don't know your background,
your dad was umaga. Yes, sir, who is a legend
you were a part of. I guess we could call
like the Royalist Family of wrestling now and then. Right
now your family is running like three storylines on TV
at the moment. But let's kind of go back a little.
You're a kid. You end up getting into trouble around

(02:38):
the age of fifteen, and you had to go sit
down for six years, yes, sir, fifteen year old in
an adult penitentiary, Yes, sir, this Texas.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Yeah, so I went to TyC. I went that I
went through when I was fifteen, I was fighting two
aggravated robbery cases. And whenever I took it by trial
by judge instead of trial by jury, the judge ended
up giving me ten years damn. Yeah. My first offer
was thirty five years. Yeah, And I was like, Bret, no,
you're gonna have to go back in there and drop

(03:08):
that mug to a ten years.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Probation, right.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
But you know, the judge they didn't want to send
me home because due to how serious my case was.
They was like, nah, you gotta go sit down. You
got to go sit down and do some time and learn.
And you know, at that time, I was like, I
was fifteen loss and sauce. I didn't even know what
to do with my life. Shit, I didn't even know,
you know, if I even had a morale compass, right,
you know, so I was just moving just cuzin you know.

(03:35):
Obviously when I came home, man, it was it was
hard for me to find a job. Yeah, and then yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
You're convicted felon right now.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I know.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I don't think people understand. That's like a like a
something that people who move around with it. It's like
a scarlet letter.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
No, it is. It is because you know, when we
go apply to these jobs, man, like everything goes good,
everything's okay, yeah, boom boom, and then you get to
that last box, that last one where it's like are
you a convicted felon? And then you know, that's that's
what always messed me up. But then, uh, obviously when
I woke up one day, I was like, man, I
need to figure something out. I need to do something

(04:11):
with my life. I can't just sit here. And I
was like, hey, wrestling, you know, and we're always told
growing up that wrestling was always going to be an option, like.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's always there for you.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Just yeah, just go do other stuff, go do other stuff.
And I always had it in my mind. You know.
I told my mom. I was like, I want to wrestle.
She was like, boy, shut up, go back to eating
your food. I was like, nah, mam, for real. And
then she was like, Okay, well we have to call
Booger T and go from there, and then you know,
the rest is history.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
So you were running around just because I feel like
you were the like me, and you were talking a
little bit uh in Vegas. You're you have a different
experience than some of your other family members because I
feel like we always associate the USO's and you are
family with the Bay Area, but you were like Texas favor. Yeah.

(05:00):
It's also like a different vibe of like street culture,
low key facts. So you lose your dad, do you
just kind of get to the point where you're like,
I just you don't know what else to do. You
don't have an outlet, so you end up hanging out
with the wrong people.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, that's what That's exactly what it was. And then
you know, I started skipping school and the only time
I go to school is for football, Like that's that
was the only class. I was passing football And the
craziest thing was they were still letting me play. You
had to be good then, Yeah I was great. I
was the best one in my district. So the fact
that I was still you know, failing my classes and
my coaches was like still like you know, putting a

(05:36):
foot down in the office, like now that you guys
need to let if you guys want to win, you
let him play, right. And then you know, one thing
led to another. I started skipping school and then you know,
they wasn't trying to hear that. It was like, now
we got to kick him off just so you know,
other students can learn. And then yeah, I started hanging
around the wrong crowd, and then I started bro I
just started, you know, get into drugs too, and and

(05:59):
it went from you know, I was stealing bikes to
just got more serious after that.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, it's like once you start easy money is very
hard to like it. It's very alluring.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, it's like, yeah, we could go hit a lick.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
We know we're gonna hit this lick right now.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Let's go get it. Yeah. Facts, And now thinking about it,
was it just sucks, man, because I burned so many
bridges growing up. I burned so many Bridges. Man, I
had so many people willing to help me. You know,
they knew what my mom was going through at the time,
because my mom was a single mother raising four older boys,
I mean for children, and the fact that I was

(06:35):
the youngest one and I didn't peep that I didn't
peep what my mom was going through. I wish I
was there for her, but I just lost man. You know,
I couldn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Do you feel like your because I feel like Jacob
has dealt with this a little bit on TV too.
It's gotten brought up in like certain like promos and
stuff and storylines he's been a part of. But do
you feel like your past has Did it take you
a while to get on the other side of it
where people were like, oh no, no, he is taking
this serious. We could take a chance on him.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah, especially in this business because
when I first started in this business, I started at
Reality or Wrestling at Booker T School, and you know,
I made my debut there and then really a week
after that, me and Booker T we got into it personally,
you know, and end up end up ending with me
leaving Reality or Wrestling, And it's crazy. It was because

(07:29):
at the same time I'm going through all this with
Booker T, Jacob's going through the stuff he's going through
with MLW, you know, and they didn't want to release
some whatever whatever. Jacob called me one day and was like, hey, Bro,
like I heard what happened. Are you do you have
anything lined up? I'm like, hell Na, Bro, I ain't
got nothing lined up. What's up? He was like, Bro,
let's let's let's work. Let's get together and let's take

(07:51):
over this shit.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
And then Bro, we got together and our first like
eight matches we took over. We was the top you know,
tag team in the game. And I was just I
was really really excited to see what the Werewolf and
the main One could build. And you know, within our
eight matches, man, our last two matches went viral. We
was able to do millions of numbers. And uh, it's

(08:15):
just crazy because he gets signed and then it kind
of forced me to get away from the tag yeah,
you know, talk and got it, went to the singles talk,
and uh, I was just at that time, I didn't
see it. I didn't believe in it. But now it's
like it's different because I had to figure it out
on my own. But the fact that you know, I

(08:35):
was under Jacob's tree for like what a year, I
was able to like, you know, get some knowledge off him,
and it helped me become the star that I am today.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
And it probably helped you as a wrestler, because that
guy is a fucking demon in the room.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah yeah, bro, when that guy the ship, he could
do it.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
His size is it's wild. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Not only that with the meeting grease Man, because usually,
you know, my first meeting Greek, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I was so like, you're still You're still I feel like,
I feel like it's the same. It's almost like I
can imagine you're a street guy, you gotta do meet
and greets, but you're also like you're kind of too
cool for school.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
You're like, yeah, yeah. It was an eye opener for me.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
But you know, with Jacob, he was like, it's like
just just be you, like leaning, like just say what's up,
like you know, cause at first I was nervous and
then you know, I'm in my penitentiary mindset.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I'm still readjusting back in society at that time, so
it's kind of hard for me to like just open
up to somebody you know. But Jacob was like, oh,
it's just just be yourself, have fun, and just just
just know that these people came here to see you,
not nobody else. They waited after the show in this line,
just meet you and talk to you. Just be yourself.
And then when I seen that and I see how

(09:47):
Jacob interact to fans, that's when I started, Okay, I
started catching on, and then yeah, bro, Jacob played a
big role, like in my beginning of my career, were
really still to this day, he's still you know, my mentor.

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because you're gonna get opportunities because of your zilofa too.
That last name it prints, But you gotta be like
damn near so good in the ring to kind of

(11:37):
follow up, Like I guess the pressure of having that
name right you know what I'm saying. The bloodline is
the hottest storyline in wrestling over the last ten years.
Whether you're a part of that or not, you're kind
of a part of that, you know what I mean
to a lot of fans. So it's like you gotta
kind of also like be like, oh shit, like you
gotta earn the fans respect, because I'm sure it'd be

(11:58):
a lot easier for people to be like, yeah, he's cool,
you know, but but I feel like you put on
bangers bro like right right.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And And to be honest, it's crazy you say that.
I had to accept that before I got into this business.
I had I had to accept that there was gonna
be an expectation set so high, uh, because of what
my dad did and my family did. And I just said,
you know, fuck it. Now we're gonna we're gonna rock
with it, you know, and I'm gonna make this work.
I'm really gonna make this work. Like there's no other plan,

(12:27):
there's no plan bead or just this. This ship is
gonna work, y'all.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, So talk to me. What's your relationship like with
Booker T nowadays? Existent? Is it?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
He's still a sucker? He's still a sucker to me. Yeah,
he's still a sucker.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Well, if you ever get called up, I feel like
you're gonna have to have Oh I'm a whoop his
ass uncomfortable conversation.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Nah, I'm a whoop his ass. And then we could talk.
See I'm used to the way I was raised. We
punched first and then we talk later.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
What happened with What was the genesis of your issue
with Booker? By the way, I met him in Vegas,
and he didn't he was he He looked like the
most miserable guy I've ever seen that.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
I was walking by he looked like he was having
the worst day ever. And I was like, Yo, can
we get a foot and.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
He was just like sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I was like, damn, my bad, bro. I was like,
he I've never met anybody doesn't want to take a
picture worse than Booker?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
T Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
But is this is this is this like a real thing?
Or is this is this a is it this isn't
a man?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Whatever you want to call it, ken whatever, Well, however
you wanna take it, that's what it is. But no,
it was it's it's basically, you know, mentor versus student
kind of storage stuff going on, and you know, he
brought me into this game. He showed me the way.
He showed me the the ropes of this business. And uh, I.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Feel like this is a work though your guys is beef.
Is it a work?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, it's not a work. I don't. I don't believe
in work. I don't. I don't when people say work,
and I don't believe in that because when you when
you view something as a work, that's all it's gonna
be around work. So everything I consider now is just
really just uh an art.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
So he shows you, he shows you the ropes.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, he showed me the way, and he's seen that
I was able to capitalize off all the momentum and
everything that he taught me. And then I would say
he got jealous. I'll say he got jealous and he
didn't know that the student was gonna be bigger than him,
you know, and I guess he didn't want that, and
he tried to hinder my greatness. He tried to hinder

(14:30):
me from getting booked everywhere. Really, so I left, Yeah,
I left, And that's when me and the werewolf got
together and we took over the world and.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
He didn't want you to get like he would he
would cock block you getting bookings in other places.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
All that wow, all that gatekeeping, gatekeeping.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
That's exactly what he is. He's a gatekeeper. That's why
I turned him into a permanent sucker.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah wow, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, gatekeepers are terrible in
any industry. That's that's crazy. Well look, I mean eventually,
you guys are gonna have to There's there's not a
world that exists in which you eventually are not on
Summer Slammer Brusselmania in the next couple of years. In
my opinion.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh you know, man, I might pull up on NXT
and whoop his ass. You never know.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I want to I want to ask you, man, you
and Dom uh grow up together that I saw you
talking with Chris and and you know that was like
as you guys were kids backstage, you guys essentially had
like a real friendship. Can you just speak to like
what it was like growing up with Dom backstage? And
I think you said that your first movie you learned

(15:37):
was The six one nine.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, well I didn't even learn it. I just did it.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
You were just doing it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
We were just doing it because one time I remember
it was Raymistereo versus my dad. They were going over
their stuff and uh, I seen rages like he was
practicing it. Yeah, and bro, I just got up it
and I just did it. That was like the first
move I naturally just did before them job for all
the others, you know the Simon's, but that was my
first move. But growing up with Don backstage, it was

(16:05):
really fun, like that was that was out of my
whole childhood being backstage. That was the only memory that
like I can really remember because it was literally just
me and him running around backstage having fun, eating whatever
what we want to do. The catering at these shows
that's the first place we go to.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
W B catering is special dog yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
And being backstage with him because my first year of
traveling with my dad, I wasn't with him. It was
like my second year. And then I saw the hanging.
I was like, man, who is this?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
And this isick?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah. I put two and two together. I was like
this Remisterio's son. And then my dad and m Steel
were already close, so that me and him we got close.
And then he has another sister named Aliah. She was
also part of our group. Too.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Back then, you guys just be running around backstage doing whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, like literally whatever we wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Did you guys ever get in trouble? Yeah yeah, bro,
we always get in trouble, yo, kick these fucking kids.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah yeah, all types of stuff. I used to steal,
like I still h what's his name John Cena's tape
on purpose and put it in my dad's luggage, and
then my dad used I used to always hear my
dad like, hey, you guys didn't see us seen as
a tape. So I remember that because I used to
still have purpose though, But nah, it was fun. That
was like as far as being backstage, That's all I

(17:26):
really remember is being with Down and we had we
had fun, man, so fun.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
How are you guys relationship nowadays? Are we cool? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah yah yeah we tapped in. I tapped in with
so when I came home from the Pion man he
was uh. He was like one of the very few
people that embraced me, and I was I was nervous
to meet him because I didn't know if he remember me.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Remembered hey man, like some moments a kids bro like
facts and I was away, you know, I spent all
my high school and you know, all my younger uh
teens and concerrated.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Man. So I was like, damn, man, I hope he
remembers me. And then whenever I take him, he was like, bro,
I do remember you. And then he was like, bro,
what are you doing this weekend? And it was I
won't forget it. It was Roy Rumblo san Antonio. He
was like, pull up, I got you, pull it up.
He took care of me.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
That's fire. Yeah, It's been dope to watch him kind
of go through his own evolution and oh he does.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
He has.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
He has a lot of potential. He's gonna you know,
remember when I asked you before we started recording, who's
the five to ten year superstar? He's He's part of that.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Conversation to us. Well, I think to what's dope about
seeing Dom? It's like I feel like the same thing
with with with Jacob. It's like fans just want you
all to be yourselves. Yeah, like Jacob when you when
he started we broke away from solo and he started
doing the yacht and I mean, and I'm like, that's
the most he is the most bay Arey ass motherfucker ever.

(18:44):
Like I know, he's from Sack but it's like northern,
It's like North call Ship. It's like he.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Gonna put off for that North Calin man, he gonna
put on. I love it. I love it same way
I'm put on for Houston though.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, you had a whole fucking thing with the Texans, right, yes, sir, Yeah,
I mean that's such a big deal to be an
indie wrestler and have a situation with the NFL team.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh yeah. Facts. So I remember when I got the
DM from I thought it was fake. I thought it
was a spam, and then I went to go look,
I clicked their page. I seen like all the ogs
who I was following following them wow, And I was like, oh, okay,
this is really them. But speaking about all my accomplishments, man,
that's that's probably like my most monumental one to me

(19:26):
because that's where I'm from, you know, and to have
my own city, have my own you know, state, and
my favorite football team to acknowledge me that that lets
me know that I'm doing something right with myself and
my brand. So that was that. That was I that
was like my first eye opener to like, eyebruh, Like
you're on a something, just keep going and keep you know,

(19:48):
staying consistent and networking with the right people.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
When do you feel like you because I can imagine
like I have, like a lot of my families done
hard time in prison. I'm talking about twenty years. Like
my cousin Sheldon been in and out of the pen
running the Mexican mafia in Arizona, fir. He's locked up
right now. I don't think he's gonna get out to you.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
So so you already know what it's like when somebody comes
home and the temptation and all that.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
But the thing is is, I've seen the whole shit, right.
It's like you come home and you have the idea
to want to do the right thing. Yeah, that's everyone.
Very few people get out of prison and are on bullshit.
They get out of prison, they're like, I'm gonna get
my shit together. But the problem is is then you
have the temptation of the old friend group tapping in
and just going back to what you know, you know

(20:38):
what I'm saying, And some people become institutionalized where if
you're in prison for six years, that's a big chunk
of your life at that point. So you're damn near
in prison close to half of your life, you know
what I'm saying. So it's a very hard thing to
adjust to normal life. Again, when did you feel like
you were able to kind of was it a quick

(20:59):
transition where you were able to shed the instant But
because that prison lifestyle, it sticks with you, bro, And
then the way you might deal with disrespect is a
lot different than a normal motherfucker who might deal with disrespect. Yeah,
and now you're a public figure, so it's like, do
you feel like it took you a while to kind of,
I guess become a civilian again?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Hell yeah, it took me a while. So it took
me like four months to lead a house like I
literally was standing or just staying in my in my
brother's apartment every day, doing the same shit every day.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Because that is you got you on your program.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Man, and yeah, yeah, and the fact that I didn't
know that I could go out, I mean I knew,
but like you said, institutionalized. I was just so used
to being in this small area where I can't move
and you know, it's been six years. That's a lot
and it takes a while to break. And it took
me like four or five months to like really get

(21:54):
into it. I didn't even know how to work my
iPhone when I came home, so like my mom my brothers,
they had to show me how to work that. And
then when I found out Bro they had Uber eats
Bro and we can get our food delivered to the
front door. I was like, oh, and I ain't gotta
go nowhere. My brother just got a new PS what
was it five? Bro? I was on there, I was
playing video game Bro. I had everything at the crib

(22:15):
and I thought I was good. But you know, like
I said, when I woke up that one day, I
was like, Damn, I'm broke. I'm still staying on mama's couchs.
I ain't got nothing going for me, Like what what's
gonna change? What what's gonna happen? And that's when I decided.
I was like, nah, I gotta I gotta make some shake.
But nah, it was it was. It was still hard,

(22:36):
and it's still hard, uh me adjusting back in society
because there's there's sudden there's certain stuff that happens to
me in prison that I'm able to like, Okay, I
can shake off, but out here it's like you gotta
have a lot of discipline, you know, to like not
do the bad stuff or not just move off emotions,
you know. So right now I'm just prioritizing my peace

(22:58):
and my mental right now.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Tell me about Saint Petersburg, Florida, Royal Rumble. I'm oh, come,
Me and my son are in the same row as
you and Jacob and you guys were fucking toasted.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Hey, man, have in mind, No heaven mine was. We
did not know who the fuck we were sitting around.
We didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Guys were so faded and I forget what something happened
where one of y'alls family members did something good and
y'all was standing on the You guys are losing your
fucking mind.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Man, take this out. Sleep. Shout out to the yat
man man for the tickets. But uh, anyways, they told
us they was all right. It was we need y'all
to pull up, but it was have them out. We're independent, right, right,
and we just got done with a show, right and
then uh, it's Royal Rumba weekend, so everybody's literally outside downtown.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, just turning up.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, and guess what we did.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
We were turning up with him what was the drink
of choice that night? Was it?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Every dang, every dang everything. We wasn't We wasn't missing
out on nothing. The fans came up, come on, we're
just having a good time, and that's that's what it was.
We went to the show as a fan. We didn't
go to, for sure, to shows as wrestlers. Yeah, we
went to as fans, and we were so excited, so happy.
And not only that, that whole weekend was my first

(24:17):
tag team match that I ever did in my whole career. Wow, yeah, yeah,
shout out to the main event. It was against them,
and uh it was me and Jacob versus them. So
that was like a huge monumental weekend for me too.
But hell yeah it was. We didn't know nobody around.
Come to find out, a few days later, we were
sitting next to Naomi's parents and I felt so bad
because I didn't even say hi. I didn't even introduced

(24:38):
my wasn't none of that. I just said, excuse me,
excuse me.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Okay, okay, we're in laws. Yeah yeah, funny.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
But nah, we got it was fun, you know, obviously
we got lit. But it was so good, you know,
seeing Jay usso and Jimmy Usso pop off the the
rod rumble Man. It was. That was dope.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
How often do you go back and watch your dad's
matches every day?

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Every day? I literally watch it on the way here.
I watch him and Jeff Hardy him and Sina him
and Punk. I study you know him for sure, he's
he's probably like my main one that I study him
in Dusty Roads. I go back and forth.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
I feel like your dad is also like very when
we talk about just you know, the legacy of Umaga
is a very underrated guy. Do you feel like you
have to kind of also feel some responsibility to carry
on the legacy. Now, the bigger you get, more people
will go back.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And be like, let me go watch some movie now
facts and that's what's happening. And I promise you they
my dad's gonna get his flowers. Whenever I get done
doing what I'm doing, he gonna get his flowers, and
I'm gonna get my flowers. But right now, it's it's
it's uh, it's more of a making the right pivot
at the right time. And I think if wwe you know,

(25:56):
whenever they're willing to make that phone call, I'm ready
if you asked me this last year, I would say no,
But you ask me now, I'm ready. I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Can you speak to somebody who's a big fan of
yours within the company? Is Paul Hayman.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh yeah, that's the og man, It's the wise man
for our family.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Shout out to Paul. What is something that you've been
able to because I know you guys talk every once
in a while. What is something that you know, some
advice that Paul's given you? Because I'm sure, like you said,
the call is gonna come. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a
matter of time. Is there anything Paul's like giving you
game on, like hey try this, or hey I got
an idea for this, or you know, maybe you should

(26:37):
do this. Is there any any real game that Paul's
giving you?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Hell?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, just grind. Let your work speak for yourself. Yeah,
stop all that, you know, going on these podcasts and
just you know, talking your hype or popping your shit.
Just let your work speak for yourself. And that's what
me and my team are doing. You know, we're in
the process of right now of being undeniable. I don't
want to you know, I don't want to be good.
I don't want to be our, right, I want to

(27:00):
be great. Yeah, I want to be Underniabel And that's
the process of what we're doing right now. And Paul,
he plays a pivoted role and all this right now.
So I'm just being patient and trusting the process right
now and just leaving up to my team and believing
in my team too, because without my team, I would
not be here swear for real.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Yeah you are. You have a real team, yeah, a
real team yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And aside of all my independent wrestlers, man, you need
a team. You can't do it by yourself.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You got a content guy like you got. I mean,
that's ship that I feel like if you are in indie, like,
you got to kind of take invest in your brand.
You do?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
You do? Uh? And you know a lot of wrestlers
when we come into this business, we're told to focus
only on the wrestling. I was never okay with that.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
I thought like, okay, so if the rest if the
wrestling fans always going to be here, how can I
captivate all these other fans that never heard of the
product or let alone.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Watch the product?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Right, how could I captivate them and bring them over here?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah? Like you want people who are just Zilla fans,
yeah yeah, or or fans that used to watch wrestling
stop watch wrestling. How could I bring them back and
bring them back here?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, and that's I'm the representation of all that, you know.
So can you talk.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
To this Uh you know, we were talking a little
bit before the podcast started about Fourth Rope, which is
West Side Gun and Smoked Dizziness promotion and how uh
dope it is what they're doing. I mean, you're the champ.
Can you just speak to like, because I feel like
a lot of people might have initially looked like, yeah,

(28:32):
Guns a wrestling fan. It feels like a hobby of his,
but he is really this is a real thing, Like, yeah,
the Fourth Rope shit is super legit. I feel like
they put on some of the best indie shows, if
not the best indie shows. Can you just talk about
that promotion and your experience like behind the scenes with
those guys.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
So the Fourth Rope. Fourth Rope was created by West
Side Gun and Smoked dism It's a before it before
it became wrestling identity, it was a it was a
merch line. It was like a clothing Yeah, that's all.
That's all the boys and then you know what was
it? It was like a year ago, two years ago there.

(29:10):
We started this when Wes called you. Yeah, so like
two years ago, you know, Wes and Smoke and the
Fourth Rope Team they got together and was like, hey,
we need to turn this clothing line into actual wrestling thing.
And uh, we did our first show in Chicago and
they did great. They did great. We sold like three
thousand tickets, and selling three thousand tickets on the first

(29:32):
show is huge, huge, and uh, you know, he was
able to get Joe Hendry on there. There's a lot
of other wrestlers too that was part of the shows.
And what they're doing is is basically just combining I
wouldn't even say just hip hop. I would say music
in general, because with Wes, he brings not only rappers

(29:54):
but other artists.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, other artists, fashion icon, yeah, all that.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
And he's taken all that that he has and he's
bringing the wrestling all that together, right, And you know,
when we first cranked it off, we didn't know where
we were gonna, you know, end up we're still like,
we're still on the come up right now, and we
have a lot of potential. We have a dope roster.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Philly Show just went crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, Philly Show just went crazy. And man, I'm
super excited to see where this fourth Rope thing goes
because I feel like, you know, out of all the promotions, man,
fourth rope, damn near has the most potential.

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the podcast. Yeah, I feel like it's it's like when
you have Westside Gun's taste. Yeah, when it comes to
everything fashion, music, et cetera, combined with wrestling, it's like,

(32:02):
you know, it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It makes sense because you have Wes he's actually an
icon in what he does, and then you have somebody
like me who's on a come up, Who's who's who's
who's killing it, and who has damn they're the most
potential to all the independent wrestlers, and you put all
of us together and that's what we're creating.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Talk to me, man, right now. Backlash is coming up
in a couple of weeks. You're gonna be out there.
I saw doing a signing, Yes, sir man.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Shout out to Batista and his team, and shout out
to John for allowing me to do my meet and
gree at their tattoo shop.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
But listen, you're there's your boy, Jacob's going against Roman. Yeah,
this is a big deal.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Of course, family business.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Now that there's the first family, which would appear to
be the USO's in Roman and verse. Jacob, who is
just right now he's alone, running by himself in a
hypothetical world than which Jacob had his own.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You're damn right, I'm right there, of course, yeah, I'm
right there.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Who else would be in it? Probably just just too Yeah, yeah,
it's all you need. Probably just us too. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
But as far as like you know, when it comes
to the family business, it's all about respect what we're
fighting for. Yeah, it's all about respect. And a lot
of people think that it's about the belt. I mean
kind of is, but it's really not. When it comes
to us, it's about our culture, right, and it's about
us putting on for our culture, uh, in our way.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
You know, I also feel like you guys aren't supposed
to be here kind of which is.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Like, nah, you're right, you know what I'm saying, right,
because when I when I walk into certain place, I'm like, bro,
am I supposed to be here? Like the other day
he went to the country club, Like somebody in Dallas
at this boogie spot, everybody's looking like that, Are you
supposed to be here?

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Every time everywhere I.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Walk I feel like that, right, Yeah, that's got to
be dope though, for you to just like like, just
as somebody who you know, I've see outside of the
family situation, somebody who came up with going against Roman
for the belt and just I thought he had. I
thought Jacob's last two promos are the best promos he's
ever cut.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, And you can't be you can't be mad at him, man, Yeah,
because that's what That's what anybody would want. Why not
have a you know, a better education for your kids.
Why not have a bigger house for your kids? And
you know, the shoe deals and all that, why not
I want that too.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I want to talk to you. You and MJF had
a crazy match and I thought it was. I think
it's like MJF is like one of those guys who
is a superstar wherever he's at. How do you prepare
for a match like that with a guy like MJF.
And like I saw him give it up to you
at the end and show respect to you at the
end of the match in the ring. Talk about like

(34:46):
a match like that where it's like world's colliding like
a aw guy and you. Those kind of matches don't
really happen, So how do you prepare for that?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
And that's the beauty of these independent companies like how
also Glory and Fourth Row right, we're able to do
stuff like But back to your question, Oh so I
treat this like every other fight, like there's there was
no different. I mean, I obviously you know MJF is
a superstar in his own little world, but uh, I
treated like every other match, and I feel like with

(35:18):
him when he dropped that promo, that's when I started like, okay,
hold on, I needed I need to respond, you know,
But not every respond you know, not every everybody who
like shoots their shot to me, they don't deserve my
energy to respond. But MJF, it hit home with me.
So that's what made me respond. I was like, hold on,
I gotta say something to this guy because he's damn

(35:39):
near the biggest one over there at A Yeah. So
I was like, hold on, he's the biggest superstar over there.
Let me let me go cook with him. See what
we can create?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Did you guys how? Because you know, for people who
don't know you, guys will have some sort of like
loose planning of a match. He's you're traveling, he's traveling.
Do you guys go through any of the spots like
right before you guys on I hop on the hop
on a call or is it all you guys just
figuring it out everything on the fly? Wow, dude, that's impressed.
Fly Fly, that's fire fly.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's it MJF.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Fly. Do you feel like you would ever entertain AW
if WW takes too long? Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Ask that question again?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Would you ever entertain going to a W if WWE
takes too long to make the call?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
No? I think I think, Uh my heart is with
the E.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, I mean here, it's where your family is.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, So I'm not gonna break that cycle. I respect it,
Come on, I respect it. And then not only that
I got, I got unfinished business as far as with
my dad's legacy to fulfill.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
You that's why. Yeah, that's the company.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah yeah. So I want to go over there and
turn that ship up and and you know, at the
same time, uh, you know, build my own brand.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
And then when you're when you're growing up, like like
who was like your guy, your dad's guy in the
locker room? Like who is his boy?

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Jeff Hardy?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Man, come on, Jeff Hardy makes sense. You obviously come
out with Hardy's face paint on it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, a lot of people didn't like that, but I
don't care.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I know that she was fire.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah yeah, but uh nah, Jeff Hardy. Jeff Hardy was
my favorite growing up, right. Mysterio was my favorite growing up.
Eddie Guerrero was my favorite growing up. Shot to Eddie, man, Yeah,
shot to Eddie, shout shout to him, and uh who else?
Who else? And I just he's one of my favorites. Now,
Dusty Rose.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Dusty's a guy.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Dusty Yeah, man, y'all better give him his flowers. Man,
he definitely he's up there. So I got Dusty, and
I hate to see it.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Booker t.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I just hate to see it.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I respect it is it kind of like a crazy
full circle moment, like being able to like, like, I'm
sure Jeff remembers you as a little kid being backstage
and now he's on entry yours. Do you feel like
he's kind of like an extension of your pop so key?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Like he is ousen man. Whenever I fir linked up
with him, it was out of fourthrow show out sat
By Southwest, and when I got around him, I kind
of felt like my dad was around right, you know.
So when I first chopped it up with him, I
felt I felt like a little kid again, And it

(38:16):
was a full circle moment for me because all the
questions I had growing up and I never was able
to ask my dad. I asked him that, right, and
he gave me the answers because he was there. He
was there every step of the way, like literally every
step of the way with my dad. Him and my
dad was like literally like this on the road. And
for him to you know, be my friend, my mentor

(38:41):
I really consider him family too as well. For him
to like help me get to where I'm at and
still drop give me gems and give me his time,
that means the world to me, you know, because I
know he can be doing thousands of other things. But
the fact that you know when I whenever I text him,
whenever I call him, he's always tied back in. Yeah,
he always.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
I think it's like there's this thing with Jeff that
like a whole new generation of kids have like discovered him. Yes,
Like my son's best friend is like the biggest Jeff
Hardy mark and he's nineteen.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
He went to freaking wrestle con paid for the meat
and green and then paid for it again. Ww world.
I'm like, bro, He's like, well, I took one with
the Hardys and then one with just Jeff. I bought
the fucking painting. Jeff Hardy's out here, Payton shit.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
But Jeff Hardy, Jeff Hardy's bigging than Obama.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Bro, come on, it's crazy. Come on, who would you
say your in ring style is like like who influenced
your current style the most? Like how you get down
in between the ropes? Who do you take from the most?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Right now, I'm going with Great Muda and uh Jake
the Snake Ja Snake. I'm going with those two. And
then I'm starting to I'm starting to like incorporate Dusty
Rose charisma into my shit too, like instead of me
being the monster, which I know I could be. Like,
there's certain times where you just gotta flip the switch sometimes.

(40:03):
And I wanted to add I love Dusty Rose because
he's literally his nickname mister Charisma, and that's what you
need to be successful in this business hundred And that's
what I'm going for. You know, it's not it's not
really about the moves and none of that. I'm going
for personality, charisma, and you know, the ability to work
all angles because there's a difference between TV wrestling and

(40:25):
indie wrestling. Indie wrestling, you're just working towards more of
the crowd. TV wrestling, we're working towards that little hard
camera that you guys probably don't see, that's all in
the back, yep. And uh yeah, that's so I'm focused
on like the TV stuff right now.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah. It's like almost like you could do all the
craziest moves in the world and like have a very
good career wrestling indies or not. But it's like you
got to cut through to the people if you want
to be like on the truck.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
That's a high bar and speaking of that, Jeff Hardy
done set the bar high, higher than ever. So you
guys got to meet that, if not excel that when
it comes to like the.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Mic work and the little things like I'll hear like
like I've been around some of the conversations where it'll
be like you'll hold a look with the camera, yeah,
or like there's like the way in the middle of
a match, the way you do storytelling, like you get
frustrated or you know, the facial expressions. How like how
important is that? Do you think it's more important to

(41:22):
be able to tell a story and have really good
mic work charisma than it is to have like the
craziest bag in course of course.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, I will go with first of all, you got
to be marketable. Yeah, you got to be marketable. If
you're not marketable, you're in your own business, right all right? Now,
As far as like what was the question again, just like.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
What do you know? Obviously it's important to do both,
but would you say the charisma, the promo cutting that
kind of shit is more equally as important as your
talent in the ring.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Okay, So as far as this is my as far
as me growing up, I don't remember the matches. I
don't remember the matches. I don't remember noo that. You know.
What I do remember is the promos, the moments, the story,
and what the promo does is it amplifies the story,
right because it doesn't make sense if me and you

(42:19):
are wrestling every week and we don't have no direction,
we don't have no you know, story, we don't have
no setting, we don't have no you know what? Why?
How all that? You know? And I feel like right now,
in today's business, you have to have charisma and personality
and that's what's going to get you over. It's not
the moves. Like the moves is the last thing. The

(42:41):
end ring stuff is like the last thing. And I
feel like your personality it needs to, you know, speak
for your your brand and it needs to your brand
needs your personality needs to represent your brand for sure,
you know. And that's what I'm trying to figure out
right now. So I don't have it figured out right now,

(43:01):
but I'm still just trying to, you know, figure out
who Zilla Fatu is and just get better and better.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Which H Town rapper do you think would make the
best wrestler or manager?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Max O Cream Max o Cream max O cream Man,
max o Cream, Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Sauce walk I think be great too, Yeah, yeah, would
be cool. Walk as a manager would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah yeah, I said Max because me and him, like,
that's one of my close homes, right guy and all
that he's he's uh, he's worked before at Booker T school.
Really yeah, me and him. It was actually against Booker
T and his jabbronis. It was me and max O
Cream yeah versus Booker T and his Jabebroni's and we
beat him. Wow. Yeah yeah, so, uh you never know

(43:42):
what you o T.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I feel like could take a I mean he could.
He takes a bull, he could take he could take
a he could take a table. Oh you put him
through a table?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Me and o T put him through the table.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh yeah that was him.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Went through the table. Cameraman be fucking up. Sometimes you
gotta pu him thro fucking tape.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
They do, yeah, they do, they do.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Who's your favorite H Town rappers all time? Give me
your top five right now? Got you said five all time?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
All time? I got Scarface, I got zero, I got sauce,
I got mmmm, I got one. Mom, I got two more.
Does Ot count?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah, he's from fucking I mean from.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
He's from Bay City. But he's still saying, yeah, I
got I got OT up there too. Did I say
MAXO already?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Max?

Speaker 1 (44:34):
It will be five yeah, shot to zero.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Man shot out the row Man, shot at the road.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
How how how important is it? Because I feel like
being an independent wrestler has to kind of be similar
to being like an independent rapper. Yep, you got to
figure out different revenue streams, like talk to me about
because there'd be like, uh, what's the wrestling t shirt company?
The pro wrestling teas, and like like how do you
maximize your income streams as an independent wrestler?

Speaker 2 (45:05):
First of all, I don't go to no pro wrestling
teas and none of that. Everything I do is in house,
so straight to your website, exactly straight. But yeah, everything
I do, I can only what I'm saying right now
is for me. I can't speak for any other independent wrestler,
but for us, everything is in house. Who's so our marketing,

(45:27):
our traveling, our tickets, our hotels.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
You book everything yourself.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Everything comes out of my pocket.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, But I'm saying, like, how important is it to
be able to go to Mania weekend and just get
a bag all weekend.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
It's very important. Yeah, I mean it's not it's not
even just a bag. As an independent wrestler, going to
these events like this, it's more of expanding your brand.
It's more of networking. It's more of seeing who you know,
who could like amplify your brand and who could like
take your brand to the next level. So every event
or every city I go to, our network at work

(46:00):
is very important. And as an independent wrestler, you try
not to rely on anybody or anything you know. So
that's the that's what we're doing. We're not We're not
trying to rely on nobody. We're trying to build our
own yeah, and build our own machine.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I want to ask your opinion on a couple of
things that are WW related right now. What were your
thoughts on, uh, the celebrity involvement during Mania this year.
A lot of fans were not happy with Pat Man.
I hated I hated it.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, they should have brought him Bad Bunny if they
were gonna bring in anyone. I hated it man, But yeah,
they should have kept Pat out the way.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
They didn't need. I feel like with Randy and Cody.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
You didn't need it. Randy don't need nobody. Many Cody either,
he don't. They don't need nobody. And then if somebody
was gonna get involved, it should have been a junior.
It should have been Teddy yass junior?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Would I agree?

Speaker 2 (46:49):
That would have been bro? I hate That's who I
was waiting.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
When he was saying there's more than one real family
in wrestling.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I was like, oh, yeah, that's what I was waiting on.
It was, and you know, when it didn't happen, and
then not only that, I thought Randy was going over
too with the punt.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
So when I seen that and I was like, fuck,
but uh yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes.
But it's very like, it's very very important for us
independent wrestlers not to like just rely on you know,
other people's words of mouth and none of that. Like
you have to you gotta stand on your own, you
have to build your own machine, you gotta storry YouTube channel,

(47:28):
you gotta stream like in today's society, to be successful,
you have to do more than five things.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Well, somebody else I want to ask you about who
I'm sure you've rubbed shoulders with it a lot of
these conventions. Is Dan Housen. What are your thoughts on
this Dan housing phenomenon. This guy's been putting in work,
releasing comic books, doing the merch shit, running the indies
in his own way. What are your thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Dan Housenbian Man, I love Dan Housen. Man, Dan Housen,
you know he blessed me. He ain't cursed me. He
blessed me. But uh, Dan Housen.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
When I was on the indies, when I first started,
you know, back to the indie talk, Dannhausen was like
one of the very first rustlers too that embrace me.
And Jacob introduced me to Danausen, so it was really
cool and having mine it was I never seen that
guy without the face paint, so I didn't even know
what he looked like. Right, and then at this one event,
I think it was Russell Kay or Russell Khan. I

(48:25):
was next to him, but he didn't know. I didn't know,
and I felt so bad. But it's all side to
da Housen shid out to loose. Please don't curse me.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Hell loll okay, let's talk about Roman right now. Roman
is I feel like when he's got the belt, it's
good for business. Where do you put Roman in the
all time great convo?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Number one?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
He's number one ever, Overseena, over Hogan, Overstone Cold.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Yeah, yeah, he's number one. What do you think about
I got him and rock him and the Rock? Yeah,
I got him a Rocky. They number one for sure.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Shout to the rock. Do you think Rock's greatest on
the mic? Ever? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I think the only person who's better is Paul Hayman.
But Paul Hayman's outrestman doesn't.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Exactly there he goes there you go.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
But the greatest ever, I feel like Haymd is the bro.
When Hayman comes out and his eyes are all red,
he looks like he's been putting himself through ship just
so we can look crazy on rock.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I mean he asks, yeah, he does? You know all
all the material?

Speaker 1 (49:29):
And so if you got Roman in the rock, do
you how do you complete your five?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Oh? So you want to get you?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Roman Rock?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
So I got Roman Rock, Dusty Roads, Dusty Eddie Gurero,
lookert T.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
You're a big dusty guy telling you is this more recent?
Like you've gone to it is?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
It is it is recent. I'm telling y'all, Dusty Rose
inspired me so much and uh, such.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
A relatable guy. That's what. People loved him because he
was a working man. He was he's a plumber.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, and all my promos going forward, it's like this
inspiration off him.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
You gotta tell Cody that when you see him next.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, now I will, I will. And it sucks, man,
because I wish how I was. I've been on Dusty,
but you know, as a young and I wasn't. I
wasn't into that. All I knew was Jeff Hardy and
John Cena thugonomics and that's it.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
What about Roman do you think? Because I feel like
Roman has you know, I mean, if we think about
all the way back to the Shield, there's been so
many errors of his career. But what is it about
Roman in particular that you feel like makes him to.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Go number one? But adds and seats. Yeah, I can't
beat that, right business right number two? I think I
think the man is just in his own lane. I
think the man is Hen Jordan. Yeah, he has twelves
are dropping. He has his own art too. And I

(50:55):
remember when I when I watched The Last Russel mating
with him the punk. I felt like I was watching
the opera. Oh that was one of the best route
that was Seampunk's best WrestleMania.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Well, that was one of the best WrestleMania matches ever.
I think. Yeah, it's like a top five WrestleMania with
the build up.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
And everything else going into it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, storytelling within the match, yeah, and just there was
no outside bullshit. It's just those two motherfuckers getting down.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah. And uh yeah. So I just feel like Rumans
in his own little lane and for him to like
number one, uh play ass and season the number two,
overcome leukemia twice. Yeah, No, for sure, I think I
think that says a lie and I think he's.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
And also overcome all the heat because a lot of
fans did not like him because he felt like they
were like.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, because they were trying to do the Scena effect, right,
they were trying to do that. But you know, that's
that's that's what comes with this business for sure. You know,
you got to see what works and what doesn't. If
the fans go this way, Hey, we don't have to
go that way with you guys.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
I just remember, like I was like, we're watching I
was at Media and we're in the suite watching the Roman,
and I was like, this motherfucker's in the best shape
of his life. Can you imagine they used to put
a fucking bulletproof vest on this guy, Like this fool
is fucking he got the body of a god. And
Vince McMahon had his motherfucker running around looking like a
SWAT team member.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Yeah, yeah, and it was all I'm sure it was
all a perception thing, right, you know, having him keep
it on or maybe he probably you never know, Roman
probably just wanted it on because he didn't he didn't
have that done yet.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Have you been able to chop it up and throw
him at all, get any game from him? Or is
that something that hasn't happened yet or no, not yet?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
No, yeah, not yet. I liked I like that. Can
I like how you did? I like how he milked
everything and then he goes into this.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah, but nah, he.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You know, I see him every now and then you
know it's not we don't tap in every day, like
how me and Jacob right.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Right right, right right? Well you and Jacob are close. Yeah, yeah,
I feel like just I mean and I feel like
I feel like there's like this thing where it's like
just because everybody is a part of the quote unquote bloodline,
it's like, you guys definitely did not grow up together.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah yeah, I mean we all dig together. It's just
all of us went our separate ways, right. You know.
As far as with Jacob, Jacob always usued to get
in trouble as a youngin so out. Yeah, so his
parents send him down there to stay with my dad
and us. Wow, And you know he loved my dad.
You know, my dad took care of him. Not only that,
took care of the USO, took care of Joe. And

(53:19):
so that's how like I got close with Jacob Roman
and the ussos are like fifteen years twenty years older
part or fifteen years older than me. Yeah, so that
was like a big that's a generational gap exactly. So
I wasn't with him. I was with Jacob and Solo
and my brothers. So that's why I didn't really have

(53:39):
the connection I have with Rooman or the USOS. But
you know, right now, man, we're just rebuilding. And you know,
I think I think for them to see me come
home from prison, they just wanted to see if I
take a serious serious.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yeah, because they're like, yo, we can't embrace this guy,
and then he walks off and ends up back in jail.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Facts, and you know, not only that, they already went
through all the stuff they went through with Jacob and
they didn't want to go through all that with me.
And you know, I stuck through it. I put my
head down, I listened to Paul Hayman, and I grind it.
And I'm still grinding, you know, And I'm just being
patient and I'm just I'm really just trusting the process
right now, all.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Right, dude. So look, it's I feel like it's gonna
be a big rest of the year for you, for us,
for us, for us. So come on, I loll you
got when obviously you have a match tonight defending this title.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yep, speaking of family business, I'm about to whoop my
cousin's ass lance on Hawaii. Do you know who that is?

Speaker 1 (54:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Good?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Good, keep it that way good, But.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, man, we're gonna put it into it. The last
five months has been a roller coaster with him. I
don't know why, you know, he gets involved, his hands
involved in the main one's business. But hopefully after I
whoop his ass, tonight I get an answer.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Fourth Rope. I'm sure it's got a show coming soon,
and they always got I mean, they just did Philly.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
I'm not supposed to say this, but I don't care.
I'm the champ of Fourth Rope. We'll be in New
Orleans July fourth. We'll be in New Orleans July fourth,
so everybody down there. It's gonna be my first time
wrestling in Louisiana. Let alone hosts our very first Fourth
Rope event down there, uh in Louisiana. So it's gonna
be dope. Man, make you guys pop out.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Remember when you actually coined the what was the main
one mantra? When did you land on that?

Speaker 2 (55:25):
After I whopped Enzo Morey's ass in Atlanta at Fourth Rope,
that match man with him, he just he just took
my psychology level to a whole different level. And you know,
before I got, before like getting to Enzo, I thought

(55:46):
the moves was everything. I thought I had to do.
All the cool ship. I thought I had to do
all the Lucas ship. I thought I had had to
do everything that everybody that great. Yeah I could, And
that's the thing I learned. I learned backwards. I learned
to do the hardcore ship first and then all the
basic fundamentals. But yeah, that's what the fuck we were
talking about.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
No, we're just talking about you coming up with the
main one.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
And yeah, so I say after Inzoe, after I whooped
his ass, and uh, you know, leading up to that,
I thought it was all about the moves, but it
wasn't until I got to that venue and me and
him sat down and we chopped it up. And then
not only that, man, I did my research on Enzo,
like Enzo.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
All time mic worker exactly, just Jesus like he had
he was so over, he had so much potential. Dude,
you know, shout out to Endel. He got done dirty.
I feel like it's good to see him, you know,
holding the title at fourth throw.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
And yeah, and not only that, he's helping out, man.
He's helping out with the younger talent, he's helping out
with the staff, he's helping out with everywhere. Man. So
he's just trying to, you know, put his footprint on
the game. And it has to be that match because
I remember that was actually like my first match. I
got really punched and he punched me and my ship,
and I.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Was like, oh, okay, this is it, let's go. Did
you give him a receipt?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I definitely did the receeat put his ass asleep? Hello,
but yeah, and afterwards, man, that's that's when I was like, bro,
I'm the main one, like it's me and then yeah,
I'm just taking it to ran with it, taking it
to another level so people can support you by merch
all that ship Zila fa two dot com. Yes, sir,
y'all go tap in Azila fatu dot com and uh.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Signing coming up in Tampa Backlash weekend.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I got, I got Tampa. I'll be down there at Tampa. Damn.
I don't even know the story.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I never know. You might even get you never know.
It's Tampa.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yes, stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
But all I know is if you come.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Out, for Funck's sake, let's just not do the black
hoodie with the fucking poosh shisty wan. He's been using
the black hoodie poosh shisty ship for like nine months straight.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Just fucking come out.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Yeah I will, I will, trust me. I ain't no
mask man, I don't need no mask man. They gonna
know me. I can't wait those.

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