https://youtu.be/sW4gD9SDpzI
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Listen
Watch
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right man.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Boutlet Cap Podcast, bout Let Cap Show Jaminary five seven.
We in San Diego backstage at SeaWorld with my brother
Paul Wall Baby. Of course you've been doing a lot
of these, these SeaWorld shows, be going crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, many went viral.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
People camping out on the on the island looking at
him from behind.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's crazy, man, that's crazy. It's a dope experience. First
of all, you know, we've been in the game for
a long time, me and a lot of the other
artists for performing sea World. So when you come here,
it's a family a venue SeaWorld. You could bring your kids.
You know, it's not gonna be nothing crazy. You know,
it's gonna be a great show. And of course we're
on the water. The weather's great. You can make a
(00:46):
whole day.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Out of it. So it's really dark.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I wish, you know, I could have went to shows
like this when I was a kid. And it brings
me back to when we had Astra World. They had
Astra World Concerts series in Houston, like New Edition. People
like that will come perform at ash World and it's like, man,
you know, it's something that has been missing for a
while I'm glad they brought it back here one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, you are a part of like making a
lot of things mainstream and hip hop. Early on, obviously
grills would be the main thing, and it's something that's
kind of stood the test of time in terms of
just like I mean, people are not getting perms, you
know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, did you ever is
your permanent?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, no, no, you pop them out.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I changed them out every day of the week, depending
on watch I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And even just like you know, obviously shout out to
DJ Screw, but like I think of like a whole
entire other generation that was like they came up on
the Michael five thousand watch tapes and it's the Chopping
Screw version of people's champ and all of those remnants.
You're still hearing people's albums, you know what I'm saying.
Do you feel like you get your flowers for the
influence you've had just on like hip hop culture, because you,
(01:52):
I mean, it's still there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean I do definitely some, but not really. But
I mean I got allergies, so I ain't looking for
the flowers. Yeah, I'm saying I mean, you know, I
really don't do it for that, especially like when it
comes to the grills, I kind of get forgotten or
left out of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But that's fine. I didn't do it for me.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's for my partner, my boy Johnny, you know, and
he definitely get to shine.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And that's what it's all about. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I think about, you know, me selling grills and all
the people I sold grills to it a different style
of grills.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Or how far we took it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it was a team effort of me and Johnny,
and that's part of why. Like you know, there were
occasions early on, like when I was in my prime,
first coming out, like well maybe we should change the
name of the store to this Johnny and Paul Paul
and Johnny's it should it be Paul Wall's Grills. And
I always felt like, you know, if it's too associated
with myself or any rapper, then with the ups and downs.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ups and downs of the industry for his career, maybe
you're indo catching a beef with somebody, Like.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I don't want that. I don't want that to affect that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Let let the grills be its own thing and just
to see Johnny's vision two for a lot of this.
You know, I kind of have a you know, certain visions,
but Johnny will see like a grandiose.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Thing, like even at the store how it is now.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I was absolutely cool having the kiowskin them all right,
or having you know, linoleum tile floors, and Johnny like, nah,
we need a Usati molding crown mode, you know, Johnny.
So Johnny will see a vision sometimes that maybe I
can't even see. So it's been awesome and amazing having
a partner and to see, you know, how far Johnny's
come to be his own personality where you know, in
(03:29):
his own you know, his own branding of who he
is for sure all reason as the Johnny.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Hey Johnny, I'm trying to link with this rapper. Oh yeah, yeah,
So it's been great.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You I feel like peak, you know, let's say two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, two thousand and six,
two thousand and five, that kind of era. What is
the craziest call you get where someone's in town? Is
there like a crazy like, Okay, I got to take
this person into the shop. It's two in the morning,
give me the crazy. The craziest grill shopping escapade you
(04:01):
had to go on because you were the guy back then.
Now people will call Johnny, Yeah, but back then they're
calling Paul. They're like, Yo, Paul, I'm in Houston. What
were we doing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
There's definitely a few, you know, Venus and Serena Williams,
those are I mean, when you have the icons who
aren't like the typical person, you would think if it's
a rapper, then you might associate them with wearing a grill.
But when you get some of these athletes, especially like
I said.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Serena Serena Williams all time.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know, that's that's awesome to be able to facilitate that,
to make her a grill. Now she wants a grill.
She can get good from anybody in the world, but
to one for me, you know, it's like very huge honor.
But you know, I think maybe Kanye West. Kanye West
is definitely one of the grill escapades where it started
starting with Kanye West in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Did you have to mold them?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I did his mold in New York at a King
magazine photo shoot when it was like maybe twenty or
thirty of us for the coming Kings of the year,
somebody who was a he was there as a good
music CEO king, and there's somebody there as an athlete king,
up and coming king, who's an author, up and coming king,
who's whatever this and that, the banker or whatever. So
it was a room full of who's who were people
(05:12):
who were just on the rise or just killing it.
And you know, he walks in and it's a very
industry type event where there's music playing in the lounge before,
before this, before drive slow, this is my first time
ever meeting. And he walks in and he you know it,
He's like, man, it's supposed to be a hip hop event, man, and.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Where's the where's the ciphers at with a hip hop?
There's a hip hop?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And where's a hip hop?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Hip hop?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He busts out with a freestyle, and of course he's
he's still Kanye West before his second album, so he
still is themand but he's not definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Not after between the two years.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yes, yes, so he definitely was the man.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But it's not like where he is now that the
Kanye we know now. And he busts out a freestyle
and then that's it. Everybody is just in awe and
He's like, man, I'm trying to kick a cipher off. Man,
nobody gonna back door.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Man. I'm you know, of course, I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I come out with my freestyle and like, okay, you know,
of course there's a little camaraderie there, the hip hop camaraderie,
and then you know, we're go and have a little
side conversation about the grills and a few other things,
and he's like, hey, you know, I like your grills,
this and that him as well as don see a
few of the other people that are with him. And
I'm like, hey, look, I got the grill modes right
now in my bank.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
We can do this right here. Now, come on, let
me get your mold. And I was on the way
out to the airport, so I did his mold real quick.
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It came back to Houston and he said, you know, hey,
I'm coming to Houston soon to perform with the Scarface
at the Texas Beach Party, which is the Capple Beach Party,
but they changed the name and this actually was the
last Capple Beach Party there ever was in Galveston, and
you know, he was coming down there in a few
weeks to perform at that. So we made his grills,
(06:48):
and you know, after he performs at the beach party,
he's at Mike Dean's house in Houston. Is big shout
out Mike Dean and he's like, Okay, you know, bring
bring the grills over here.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's like three in the morning, four in the morning.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They're mixing Diamonds off Forever Diamonds from Cleon And now,
I've been in a lot of studio sessions with a
lot of different type of musicians, but this was very unique,
extremely unique, and I've never been in a situation like
this where you know, you got Mike Dean, perhaps the
greatest engineer mixer.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of all time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
He's in the combo.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and he's in.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
There like doing changing this and that, and Kanye West
will be like, no, turn you know such and such down,
and it'll you know, say, the song is, you know,
four minutes long. He's turning something down. It's at the
three minute forty five second mark. Okay, well they're listening
to the whole song start to end again again, start
to end again again.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I personally we heard it about one hundred times that night,
and we were at the end of the mixing session.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So just seeing them do all of that, like, and
just seeing how dedicated he was to his craft. And
he wasn't like overwhelmed or like, you know, it wasn't
like too much. It was just like he was involved
in every part of Now, me, I couldn't from the
first time I walked in. So when you hear the
song now, it all sounds the same to me. But
(08:11):
sonically he could tell every difference. And he's like, no,
you know, I need to change this. No whatever, you know,
whatever jargon or engineer talk they were talking. He knew
all of that, and they were having their own conversation.
And I'm just like me and good were like, man,
I don't know what they talking about, but I need
to learn that language. And you know, just being able to,
you know, get him hiss grills, and then that turned
into you know, eventually slow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, another podcast brought to you by odd Socks.
That's right, baby, listen, guys, we got to stop playing here.
The most comfortable socks in the world. We've been rocking
odd socks for over ten years, all right. And when
I tell you these odd Socks basics, not only are
they the most comfortable socks in the world, they're also
a lot more affordable than.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Nike.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They're better than they're the best socks. And listen to
basics line. Whether you got the ankle socks, whether you
got the anklet socks, the tube socks, white black, whatever
the case is, ladies. They got all kind of flavors
for y'all, and of course the vintage you know, odd socks. Man,
they got the licensing game on smash. Shout out to
them because they just did an incredible job with their
(09:20):
odd Socks pop up in Tampa. Whatever you're into, man.
Of course they got the Budweiser, they got the Michelo,
they got that. They even got fucking liquid death socks.
What are we doing here? Shout out to odd Socks.
Go to odd socksofficial dot com. Use the promo code
boot Leg right now, save twenty percent off your order,
get you some basics. Thank me later. Hey, can we
(09:41):
show a little footage from the odd Socks pop up
that they did. They made their very own like liquor store,
corner store, and all of the products were odd socks. Yes,
cut to the footage. It looks great. Shout out to
odd socks. Use that promo code. Support our family all
right odd socksoficial dot com promo code boot leg and
save some money and get some socks.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And one of my things, I was going to say,
the drive slow, Like, at what point in time do
you get sent that record? Are you in the studio
with him? Is it something to get sent over email?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like playing Pat? Shout out playing Pat?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He you know, he managed kick cutting a bunch of artists,
but he was He tried to sign me to Death Jam.
It didn't work out, but he still kind of mentored
me and gave me a lot of advice, especially when
it came to you know, moving and wiggling in the industry,
and you know, so he would give me a lot
of big bro advice.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And you know, eventually he's like, hey, I seen.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You met Kanye. I seen you man. Whatever you got
him some girls, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
He said he like your flow and this and that,
you know, you down to do a verse on one
of his albums. And it's like, of course, yeah, of course, wow,
who would.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Say no to that? But you know, and he's like,
you know, hey man, he might take it off, he
might not use it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He's very, very very particular about what he uses and
what he doesn't use, he might use just a portion
of what you say, you know, he kind of he's
kind of setting me up for.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
If I do the verses he donna I can. He
don't use it. I'm not mad, but I wouldn't be
mad either way.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It goes because I just appreciate the opportunity, you know
that he would give me. I mean from Houston people
at that time, people like me don't get a shot
to do a song on Kanye West or artist of
that caliber, you know, unless your scarface.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So to be able to do that, he send me
playing past, send me to beat. I did my verse,
which actually was I had wrote the verse already for
Sitting Sideways.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Y'alls about to say, it's super you did you on that?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, that actually when I when I wrote Sitting Sideways,
this was the first verse I wrote to Sitting Sideways,
but I didn't really write it to the tempo of
the beat of Sitting Sideways.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So the verse that ended up on Drive Slow was
the original first verse you wrote for Sitting Side.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yes, I used to, man, I used to. This is
before I was like a heavy smoker. So my brain
would be moving like a thousand miles a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And I would get so distracted by anything.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I might get distracted by the tie or you know,
the door knob of a sound and the beat.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Anything.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I would just get so distracted. So I would just
get the tempo, go sit in my car and write verse.
That's what I did. I wrote the verse that you
hear on dry slow. I wrote that for sitting sideways.
When I go in and lay it the sitting Sideways beat,
it's a little fast, so when I delivering.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Later, the vocals don't exactly look off. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And my boy Tim Ferris was like, hey, the verse hard,
but it don't really go.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
To the temple. Man. I think he should write a
new verse.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So I wrote it to verses for sitting sideways, and
I kept it in my pocket for just in occasions
such as they came yeah man, and I sent it.
I did the verse, send it in playing patterns like yeah,
he like it, you know, but he wants you to
come out here and lay it in La.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I come to La laid.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And the whole time I'm thinking I'm getting punked, like
NTV punked with Ashton Kutcher. You know, I'm we get
off the plane, we come down to escalators. It's two
LA sheriffs that pulled me to side and go to
the side. They think we're like smuggling drugs or something,
and I'm like, I knew I was getting I knew
this was too good to.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Be tru Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And then I'm I'm talking crazy to the to the
police and Goud's like, what are you doing? You're about
to get a beat up? And I'm like where asked
the cuts at? And then you know, next thing, you know,
I'm not getting punk, but yeah, yeah, I apologize. I
don't want no smoke. Iologize, and then you know, from
there we go. You know, I'm in a limo going
to the local car service going to the UH to
(13:18):
the studio, and we ended up getting pulled over and
I'm like they couldn't give me the first time, so
this is the plan B. And but we're right in
front of the studio and I asked the hey, man,
can I get out because it was like a traffic ticket?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Can I get out?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Can I go to the studio? This is where I'm
trying to go. He lets me out. He's like, yeah,
I'm not giving you the ticket. I'm giving human ticket.
So I'm like, I'm out. And then I go in
the studio. It's a little for asking cutcher and you
know it's.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, he's in there. He was downstairs recording the song
he had with NAS.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, major, we major. It was the one with the game.
But what was the name of the one on? But
it's yeah, same album, we major the song with us.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, man, I don't even remember. It's all like a
blu but it's all clear, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And then I go upstairs lay my verse and he's like,
I want you to do some other stuff. So I
do whatever you tell me to do. And I'm still
just I'm prepared for the album to come out.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And yeah, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
DJ Drama called me and this was the night before
the album comes out. This is when albums came out
on Tuesdays. He's called on Monday night and he's like, hey,
he's at the list official listening party. He's like, yo,
you kind of album and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That I mean out yet. I ain't seen one name
on the credits. I don't know. And also I know
from just being on Swish House tapes.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Sometimes people will get on Swish House mixtapes back in
the day, then they go tell the whole.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Hood and then they.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Get taken off, and then you look like a fool
because you you know, man, you ain't on there, you know.
So I don't want to just be too excited about
being on there. Internally I'm excited, but I don't want
to be album pubby. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on it,
and then he takes me off for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So you guys do the video and then the video
versions different than the version of came out on the album.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm super mad that that's not on a CD somewhere,
but the video version was different. Crazy, crazy man, such
a this is my favorite Kanye late registration is my
that's my one. But yeah, that's crazy. Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
This year? Was it?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Earlier? This year we lost Michael Watts, who obviously a legend,
somebody who you know, the founder of Swisher House, somebody
who you had such a strong relationship with. He had
a lot to do with.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Your career since I was fourteen years old, thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, man, can you just speak to Michael Wats because
I feel like when we think about these legendary labels,
will always hear the rap A lots will always hear
no limit cash money. But you know, a lot of
times I think Swisher House kind of falls through the cracks.
And I think a lot of textas stuff for whatever reason,
when we think about the historical contexts of hip hop
will fall through the cracks with Swisher House, you want
(15:54):
to talk about a powerhouse, man man.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Part of it is because I think Switsher House as
a label was mostly just me and Mike Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I don't want to say just.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Me and Mike Jones right moment.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The movement is and I mean, I don't know any
other time in hip hop, you know. And I don't
mean any disrespect or discredit to anybody else, but I
just want to give my guy his respect and his
proper due honor. I don't know any other time in
hip hop where a DJ found and discovered four artists,
at least four artists, and took them from the absolute
(16:28):
very beginning. I don't mean four established artists who are
already platinum, but four artists who had never put out
anything commercially ever molded them, helped them build their fan
base to become four platinum artists. Myself, Mike Jones, Slim
Thug could be in there. And then also you know
with Little Kiki come into the Swish House as an
(16:49):
artist too, and you know it helped give him another
around era to keep him going. Of course he's still going,
you know. And then there's all the other people that
were there as well who had amazing underground careers or
independent careers like Jade.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Dog or Archie Lee or.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Little Mario or there's there's a lot of man a
lot of artists. Man in the Swiss House really facilitated
something for us and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Texts music did Man, he definitely deserves a lot of credits.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Were by surprise for his passing or did he have
his health?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Absolutely? I know he was, you know before he passed away.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, there were definitely signs because he was in
the hospital for something else, but you know, they wouldn't say, oh,
you know, he's about to be about to pass away,
or is this serious? You know, And I don't know
if they didn't know or they just didn't want to
share that. Also, you know, with you know, when the
words gets around, it just spreads some time. Yeah, yeah,
so man, but it definitely it definitely hit me like
(17:45):
a ton of bricks out of nowhere where it's like, wow,
we had no idea, but you know it's we had
a lot of great times together man, and just everything
he did for me. I mean, I can't imagine how
my life would be without Michael five thousand wats Man.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, man, rest in peace. Such a legend. When you
think back to that era, that five oh four oh
six eras, it was such a it was like, I
just remember, like everybody an album from Phoenix. So I
remember every record store, everybody would have the Screwed and
chop tapes. There would be the chop Not slot that
everybody was doing their own version of them.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And I just remember like the Mike Jones album and
your album the Posters being everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But when you think about that class, like you said earlier,
make a millionaire yourself, slim thug Mike Jones, When you're
in the middle of that and you kind of you know,
the Source magazine cover happens, and there's so much, so
much commercial crossover happens, do you kind of feel like
you're you're do you know that you're in the middle
of like a historical run for your city, like cause
it or because sometimes we're living this shit so we
(18:52):
don't have to take time to kind of breathe.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And kind of I remember when we performed still Tipping
on one O six in part and we're walking to
the stage, and this is like a key moment where
it like it's like notched in my mind of Slimp
the you know, saying, hey man, we on one O
six in Park Bro, we made it. Now I remember
(19:15):
all the other times I thought I made it. The
first time I ever heard myself on the radio, which
is me and come in or did a freestyle with
Michael Michael Wats was actually rapping. This is the first
time he ever wrapped on the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We we did.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We did an intro for his radio show and he
would play it before his mix when he would mixed.
But Mad had her track to the box, Yeah, shout
out to the box. Mad had he had the after
Michael Wats would do the nighttime. Now Mad had her
did the afternoon so at.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So he played he did? Did he play that version
of his sound different?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Now Man had her played it? Because Wats was on
there rapping.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
But still I remember taking my god sister Nina and
she went to Prayerview and we were in the car
and antoin on in wes Lily, York, and I was
We're on the way to Prayer of You and I
remember hearing it on the radio, like, man, that's that's me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm on the radio.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This is crazy, uh, you know, and I remember feeling
like I made it, but it was so fleeting, because
you know, the feeling went away, and then it's like
I called here You're a man the radio.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Nope, ain't here. You're a man. Readio, Nope, ain't here.
You lying, you ain't on.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's like, man, I was on the radio, but nobody knows,
you know. So I remember thinking how that when is
this gonna happen again? And uh and then you know,
I remember when we signed a deal with mad had
it later on and our song and Love with My Money.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Became b Yeah, that's a big record.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They played the hell out of that on the radio,
and that was another time where it's like, Okay, we
made it, you know. And then I mean, even through
all this time, we do sold our shows. We'd have
you know, meet and grease where the lines are out
the door. That there, crazy bud.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You guys are wearing those headbands.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, we should have had all We should have
had some brandy ones and we were at a time.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Shout out to our brothers at hard Dean man OTTs family.
Of course, they've been sponsoring the podcast for years now.
You've been seeing the mic flag for years now. Want
to give a shout out to our brothers. I just
was in Vegas. I had to pull up all right. Look,
it's the number one dispensary in the world. When I
tell you, you walk in that thing and the bud tenders
are great. They take care of you immediately. The selection
(21:21):
is great. So when you go to Vegas, you get
into that cab, you get into that uber immediately, say
take me to Hardean. Don't know what they're doing, all right?
They go get you right, all right, the number one
premium cannabis dispensary in the world. They just got me right.
I was just in town for Raffi's birthday. Had to
pull up, get right, this nice little one to one
Hardean jersey. These are not available, all right. Shout out
(21:42):
to them, man, all right, salute to the family. Follow
him on Instagram. Hardean Underscore Las Vegas. All right, let's
get back to the podcast. Do you look back at
do you ever think about like the kind of the
what if about you and Chamellionaire and like what like
I mean, obviously everybody ended up doing really well. Yeah, everybody.
I mean, he's man, bro.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
At the time I was, I was more than happy.
I never saw a vision from my own success. I
never saw that. It really honestly took T Ferris telling
me when me and come in go on separate ways.
T Fairs telling me, hey, Bro, I feel it in
my heart. Your best days are in front of you.
They're not behind you. You got a ceilings up here.
(22:20):
You think you're ceiling here. Your ceiling is up here.
You just got to keep going. And him giving He's
a T. Fairs, the first person ever in my life
that believed in me.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They really gave.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Me Megan for sore.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But you know, with come in there, I was more
than happy being in a duo where on the sidekick
or I'm getting pressures on you guys right absolutely, and
you know what I'm saying. And it was amazing to
have that run with somebody that I grew up with
my whole life. I grew up with him, you know,
So my first time in the studio, first time on stage,
first time freestyling at school lunch table and on the
(22:56):
bus was all with command there, So you know, to
be able to see the ascension and rise with him
was something that was like, for sure, a dream come true.
And I never saw beyond that, but Comedian saw beyond that,
and other people saw beyond that. And so when we
you know, and I also think about how it is
like what we were.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Coman has always been business minded, like.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, and for me, I always felt like I wasn't
worthy enough to belong, so I didn't expect it and
I didn't think that I was old any of this
or so, you know, whenever I got a check, I
always felt like I was scamming somebody to get to check,
because it was like, yeah, are you sure it's supposed
to be my check? I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm just happy with whatever I would get.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I was more than happy with that, but Comean was like, nah,
no matter what we're getting, they still screwing us over.
And no matter how, no matter how much you know,
if like macaolm me saying, somebody put the knife in
your nine inches and they pull it out too, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So that's command mind frame was like, nah, I don't matter.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It don't matter if they're paying us more crumbs than
the next artist. We're still getting crumbs and this is
not how it should be. And he's always had that vision,
so you know it it really honestly, it took us
going our separate ways for me to be able to,
you know, become the written Paul Wall, you know, as
much as I have been.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, you remember the first time you guys were
able to kind of have like the years later convo
and like.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Just oh yeah, absolutely, like man.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, you know you was right. You know, A.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Big shout out to Pemse and E forty.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Those are the only two people the period were like
from start to finish. They were like, y'all tripping, y'all tripping, y'all,
y'all not seeing a big picture, y'all not seeing a
big picture with the money that you're missing that you
could be making right now that you're not gonna be
able to make tomorrow. You can make it today, you
can't make it tomorrow, right and your mind you're thinking
you can always get back together and it's gonna pick
(24:54):
up where it left off. That's not how it worked, right.
Sometimes it can work like that, but it's not. It's
not guaranteed. And they also saw what we represented for
who we represented for.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You know, the city. That's also why when we had
our problems, our beefs, it never went too far because.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We got ugly. Sometimes the Houston beef in general can get.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Like yeah yeah, but with me and him both, we didn't.
You know, we grew up with each other, We know
each other's families. We didn't want to like, I'm not
putting all that whatever, he's not putting all that out there.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And we also see who we're doing this for. If
we get.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Ugly like that, it's just gonna make us all look bad.
And we just didn't want to do that, you know
what I'm saying. So that that helped, you know, us
not get too crazy out of there.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But PEMC when he.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
When PEMC put us on the song, and while in
that Cooper still ain't talking, you know, and that that's
when people already were like, man, we all gonna get
back together this and that he says and it's the
number one song on the radio everybody and you're in
the club and you hearing it there, it's like, oh
my god, you know. And then of course when Pemcy passed,
that really put it in the perspective where we felt like,
(26:00):
this is something we owe to him, and we owe
it to ourselves, you know, because we we at the
end of the day, we we grew up, we're brothers,
we're friends, so we we owed it to ourselves as well,
but we owed it to him. And again, like I said,
forty two, E forty was from day one, was like
y'all tripping man, is that.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
A phone call thing? Or are you guys in person? Both?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah? Both? You know. E forty was a big bro
to us.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
For a long time, from the very beginning. My bro
Sea Dog and Dallas was good friends still, you know
with E forty, so he would always you know, hey, man,
I'm gonna i'a plug you E forty many gonna get
some game and the forty being an independent pioneer that
he is, and he would just give us so much
game advice, whatever. And then you know, same with PIMC
(26:42):
and I. You know, there was times where you know,
I used to write PEMC when he was in jail
and h you know, but when he's out of jail
and I remember bumping into him at the airport one
time and we.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Have a crazy conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Crazy, I mean crazy in terms of long, a long
conversation just about me and come in here, like, man,
it was up this bullshit even come in you know, man,
y'all tripping.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I told him the same thing. I'm telling him to
tell you the same thing I told him.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Y'all tripping. And you know, there's definitely fun conversation. But
when you in person looking you know, the person you
looked up to, admired, you know, your whole rap career
or as a child.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This is somebody I looked at to my.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Whole When when you and him have that first congo,
is it in person?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's in person, and you know, of course this is
like nah, you don't get it. You don't know, you know,
And he was just like, man, you think me and
bunn ain't never had no problems. You think what you
know whatever, like man, you tripping? Man, you tripping paw
awhile and he telling coman or the same thing. But
it's just not you know, sometimes you gotta plan to
seed and let grow. So you gotta put the cookies.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
In the oven and let it bake, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So we just we let the cookies bake a little
bit and then when it's when it's time, you know.
And I think that the major catalyst was Pency passing
because we definitely felt like we owed that to him
and we felt like he would be proud of us
that we buried the hatch.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It there's this legendary source cover with everybody from Houston
on it. I mean it was it was special. Yeah,
that was But could you kind of walk me through
what was that shoot?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Was there any any funk? I mean, there are some
people on that cover that did not function with you.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
There definitely was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I wasn't on the cover, man, you were? How you well,
you know, how did you not end up on that cover?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
A few reasons, I'm you know, honestly, at that time,
I had something already planned going on with Double XL
same day, same time everything where they're like, hey, we're coming.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
It was like the All Star the super Bowl something.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Everything was in Houston.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, someone's going on in Houston and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They actually had to ask you to be on the cover.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well they did, but they're like, hey, we're doing it,
you know, Tuesday at five, Well Tuesday five, I'm already
doing something with Double XL And I just felt like
I can't tell them no.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And youl by yourself, right, Man?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I was the only cover ever was on was Murder
Dog and Ozone.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So I don't know if maybe I should have Maybe
I should have said he double, I ain't gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I remember the Double XCEL article. I think you had
a red on. If I'm not tripping, I have a
bunch of vintage double sales in the studio.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I mean that's what Atlantic Records was definitely pissed at me.
They were like, man, you're gonna be on the cover.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But I also you know, I mean honestly, I felt
a little disrespected. If it was any other region, if
it was New York, would you say, hey, we're gonna
do a New York cover. We're gonna do a New
York cover with everybody. No, they're gonna give each one
of those artists their own cover. I mean, you look
at all of us, the only time any of us
were on the cover other than like Squarat Face in
(29:33):
the group Come In There was definitely worthy of being
on his own stone cover. Slim Tub was worthy of
his own cover, same as Mike Jones, as Little Flip,
as Zero, anybody else that was on the cover. And
I just felt like, man, this is their way to
do us all at once, right, And it's like and
I also felt like, you know, I mean, we got
problems with each other, and the way it was told
(29:54):
to me was, man, I know there's some people that
we don't get along, but we're just gonna go We're
gonna just go.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Do the We're gonna do the picture and leave. We
ain't gotta speak to each other and leave it. And
I'm like, well, nah, I got an issue.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I want to I want to talk this out, you know,
like and then sometimes it'll be like, well, you know,
Jake Prince got the boxing ring, and I'm like, well,
well what if I mean, look, I definitely could box,
but what if I came box, well and I just
got to get bullied.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But I could get my ass whoop and.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I could get messed up, you know, Like, so you know,
I just I just felt like that for me, that
wasn't for me. And you know, I'm very happy and
proud that they did because Slim Thug and Zero at
the time they had huge issues.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They both had.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Said some I think helped squash that too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He did squashed a lot of the big squash did
the Big squashy. But but at that at that you know,
I wasn't there, but as it was told to me,
was at that photo shoot. Zero and Slim they talked
it out and they buried their hatchet, you know, as
well as some other people that were there.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They buried their hatchet. You know. So a lot of
positivity came from that photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
But you know, and I do think back because it
was so iconic as like, damn, man, what would have been?
And you know, they told me how you know, people
that were there were like, okay, you know, I'm standing here,
they're standing there.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Then you see the cover they put them next to
each other. Anybody, this is beefing. They got them right.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Next to each other, and it's like, man, I don't know, man,
they like kind of photoshopped it together.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
But you it is what it is, man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And even though I didn't, you know, I didn't get
on the double xl Okay, it wasn't for that, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I'm already doing something. Yeah, it's all good man.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Shout out to Raffi Law Group our family. Yes, it's
been so dope to partner with, you know, such a
name and brand and somebody who I actually am a
customer of. Shout out to Raffi Law Group, man Arizona's
premier personal injury law firm. And I don't just put
my name on anybody when we do this stuff on
the Bootleg cap podcast and you see it's partnering with brands.
(31:49):
We're very selective about who we connect with. And Raffi
is someone who's actually helped my family, helped my wife
get a settlement, all right, has helped over seventy thousand
people in Arizona. No matter what happens, Man, car accident, crash, injury,
you maybe get bit by a dog, I don't know,
whatever it is, Raffi Law Group makes the process less stressful.
(32:11):
They put money in your pocket. Yes, the name you
can trust, you already know, man, Raffi Law Group. Save
the number just in case, because hey, you get into
a car accident tomorrow, you gotta call Raffi six two
three three eight eight four three three three and want
to wish a big happy birthday to Raffi's just celebrated
his fortieth birthday. We had a good time in Vegas.
(32:32):
Fifty cent was there, pauly D was there, mad Rich
was there. E c Rock was there. It was a movie,
all right, Secretary of State was there. We were just
hanging out, Man show. Look shout out to Brandon Raffi.
Don't forget Raffi Law Group. The only calling you to
make if you're an AZ and you get into an
accident or you get into any sort of injury situation,
they'll take care you immediately call Raffi. Baby. Let's get
(32:54):
back to the podcast. It's been twenty years, twenty one
years since people shit, wow, twenty one years. Crazy crazy.
How often do you I mean, obviously you have to
perform some of the albums. Yeah, would you ever just
revisit and just throw it on it? Just not the
time machine.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I actually don't.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I really don't listen to any of my music because
I'm always working on new music.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I only listen.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You are very very active, yes, yes, on the indies,
multiple albums a year, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
A lot of them are under the radar.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
With Static Yeah, yes, man, big shoutout real Static, Yes,
big shoutout bum Bee, all the stuff I got with Terminology,
the stuff I got with Baby Bash, stuff I got
with Little Kiki, all my solo albums, the stuff I
got with.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
New artists like The Delivery Boy or whoever. Like Man,
it's definitely a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But the only time I listened to my own music
is one about to shoot the video and then I
remember you just to learn my lyrics.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But we People's champ though. It's crazy because there's so
many songs from.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
That album that I perform, Like if I got twenty songs,
I performed five of them People's So you know, it
definitely is those are the that's when I listen to
the people tent when I'm performing.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
What is because a lot of people who are in
your position might just depend on show money, It might
not be too active when it comes to putting out
these joint albums and running up the end of catalog
or tapping in with the younger artists. What would you
kind of say is your main motivation that keeps you
hungry to still be in the studio?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Man, Man, just my love, my passion for it, you
know that.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And definitely, you know, dealing with the bs of industry politics,
or when you think you're supposed to get paid and
then you don't and you don't know who's supposed to
pay you, but regardless, you don't get to check right
And you know, you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Put your trust in faith in people that will break
your heart.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The game will just completely break your heart, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So I've definitely lost my love a few times.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
But you know, I think back to my perspective, this
is still my childhood dream that I pray for every
day of my life today included you know, to be
able to do this and to you work so hard
to get in a position to do what you want
to do how you want to do it, to just
say no, I ain't doing it no more because I
don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's just a waste to me. And I feel like
I got a lot of bars. Well I got more
bars in.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The criminal justice system, and I just man, you know, Definitely,
my main source of income for a long time was
selling grills. Yeah, and outside of you know, if I
was doing it only for the money, definitely I would
never make music again. It would only be grills because
that's there's a lot of money with that, but that
you know, having that secondary source of income, you know,
(35:30):
allow me to make the kind of music I want
to make, not just me chasing trends or everybody sounded
like this, So I got to sound like this.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Everybody sounded like that. I gotta sound like that.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I can make the kind of music I want to
make and for the people I want to make it for.
And I'll hear people that'll be like, man, y'all need
to bring.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Back this sound. Y'all need to do this. No more.
Ain't nobody doing this. No, y'all need to do that.
And I really take it to heart, and it'll make
me encourage me to all right, I want to make
music like that. That's the same music I like to
listen to.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You have so many, like I guess, like versions of
your career, Like I think back to when there's a
lot of errors. Listen when you get into the pocket
with Travis Skinhead, Robb you do expensive taste, man, like
that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'll look back at this as as like my hair
and my beard changes. It's almost like ushering in a
new era of the powwall sound, and I'll look back
at all the different errors.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
When I had the tape of fade, the little patch.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Patch, when I was fade, when I you know, started
dying my beard, I was getting a little older. When
I had the food beard, when I had the longs
easy top, when I grew my hair out, when I
left my grades show all of that. There's a lot
of different eras when I was the big power, when
I was the skinny pow wow.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You know some of that it makes.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Me think, you know about Luther Van Draws when they
be like, oh, when they used to argue.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, I like the fat Luthor. I like the
skinny Luthor. And it made me like, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Coincide, you know my different errors, and you know, as
an artist, I get to grow.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But any era that ever was a power whow, I'm
still powerwaw.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And you're still gonna hear me if I'm rapping with
Travis Barker or if I'm rapping with Status selector or
if I'm with Jill Scott.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
It's gonna always be pa while you here.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
And then you catch a platinum song like Johnny Dang
that just opens you up to a bunch of new fans.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That grows absolutely, man. You know, and I think back
to we do a lot of shows. So even before
we did Johnny Dang with that Mexicano team with Drodi Man,
even before that, we were doing a lot of shows.
But you know, when you look in the crowd, it
looks a certain way, a little bit older, you know,
a certain you know, there's certain people in the crowd.
(37:38):
And after that song, now all of a sudden, the
crowd is extremely diverse.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's younger.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yes, you can see the you can see the effect
of that, which was crazy. It was a man and
ushered in a new fan base. To me, first of all,
it made me kind of more established. Oh he ain't
has been he he ain't fall off. Well, he still
got something in the tank. But at the same time,
it allowed me to be introduced to a much younger
(38:07):
fan base, you know, man, big salute to that Mexicano
te man for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, last two questions. Your favorite Houston album of all
time that isn't your own.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
My favorite album of all time in Houston is Easy
Dea Screwed for Life, Dea Screwed, Yeah, man, And of
course my second is Little Kicky, don't mess with Texas,
but screw for lif Dea.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh man, I could listen to that front to back.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I actually, as a DJ, I chopped and screwed it
for Big Hawk before he passed away. Big Hawk, I
don't know exactly what he had to do with releasing
the album, but he had something to do with.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Releasing the album. And I remember asking him at the
studio one time, man, how come you ain't got no
chopping screwed version of that?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And he was like, well, because if DJ screw ain't
gonna do it, he ain't putting it out. And I
was like, hey, I already got a version that I
made for my own listening pleasure. If you want to
put it out, you can, and he released it. A man,
that was amazing to you know, to do that. I
love that album.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And then I want you to put together your mount
rushmore of let's say, oh four to seven of Houston rap.
That your era, your peak era, my era.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I mean, of course I wouldn't put myself. Exclude yourself, Yeah,
exclude myself all this. I mean, it's it's kind of easy.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It is pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I slim thug, you know, come in there, Mike Jones
and then you know, Flip.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I would maybe put a zero.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Even though heroes around.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And you know, if you if you go back a
little further like a ninety eight ninety nine and then
not for sure it would include Flip, but you know if.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Zero going of those, Yeah, most city down is like
for people who have never partied in Houston. Yeah, it's
like coming to l A and here and YG's DPT
or like it's like 'all dreams and nightmare.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, yes, yes, it's like and nightmares. Now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
My my Mount Rushmore all time would be the Jacker
from the Bay Area would be Rich. The Factor would
be a little kicky, and Sean Price.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Hey man, I did not expect Sean Key.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And if there's a fifth, I put Hustler from the
Mob figures as well.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But big Guy, oh yeah, yeah, I love the baby
music man the Bait.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The Bay to me is like our twin city from Houston.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Very similar.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yes we now we we do.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
We're very different, but we're similar but big on a
car culture. We're big on our car culture where if
you don't like it, we don't care. We ain't doing
it for you, We're doing it for us. Big on
our local slang. We talk away, we talk and it's
not for you, it's for us.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
We're big on our independent hustle. We're big on supporting
our own.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I love the baby man, definitely love the bait.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, listen, Paul, I appreciate you sitting down. You got
any new music on the wear.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yes, just drop the album. It's called Fortune and Glorious
eighteen songs. I actually got a video for every.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Song on the album. Every song on the album has
a video.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And you know, stead of working on new music, to
me in terminology, have a new album, getting you come
out for the show, big big shout out, you know,
and definitely you know I'm playing on dropping until I'm eighty.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Man, God, how many albums you think?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's like twenty over twenty maybe, you know. I mean,
it depends on what you consider an album. Some of
the albums like it's a mixtape or it's an EP.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Or definitely include the group albums.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm definitely over twenty five, you know. But you know,
it's it's a blessing to be able to do what
I love to do.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know what I'm saying, Paul, my brother, appreciate your man, Yes, sir,
what p y'all were here at Ease you already know.
If you're in La Southern cal Man, tap in. Go
to the website right now. Use that promo code bootlegger
to get thirty percent off flower concentrates, whatever you're into,
they got it thirty percent off. Go to ease dot
com right now. It'll get delivered right to your door.
(41:46):
Or if you're in LA, pull up because we're here
right now. Come on mess shout out to Ease
All right man.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Boutlet Cap Podcast, bout Let Cap Show Jaminary five seven.
We in San Diego backstage at SeaWorld with my brother
Paul Wall Baby. Of course you've been doing a lot
of these, these SeaWorld shows, be going crazy, but.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, yeah, many went viral.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
People camping out on the on the island looking at
him from behind.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
That's crazy, man, that's crazy. It's a dope experience. First
of all, you know, we've been in the game for
a long time, me and a lot of the other
artists for performing sea World. So when you come here,
it's a family a venue SeaWorld. You could bring your kids.
You know, it's not gonna be nothing crazy. You know,
it's gonna be a great show. And of course we're
on the water. The weather's great. You can make a
(00:46):
whole day.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Out of it. So it's really dark.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I wish, you know, I could have went to shows
like this when I was a kid. And it brings
me back to when we had Astra World. They had
Astra World Concerts series in Houston, like New Edition. People
like that will come perform at ash World and it's like, man,
you know, it's something that has been missing for a
while I'm glad they brought it back here one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know, you are a part of like making a
lot of things mainstream and hip hop. Early on, obviously
grills would be the main thing, and it's something that's
kind of stood the test of time in terms of
just like I mean, people are not getting perms, you
know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, did you ever is
your permanent?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
No, no, no, you pop them out.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I changed them out every day of the week, depending
on watch I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And even just like you know, obviously shout out to
DJ Screw, but like I think of like a whole
entire other generation that was like they came up on
the Michael five thousand watch tapes and it's the Chopping
Screw version of people's champ and all of those remnants.
You're still hearing people's albums, you know what I'm saying.
Do you feel like you get your flowers for the
influence you've had just on like hip hop culture, because you,
(01:52):
I mean, it's still there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean I do definitely some, but not really. But
I mean I got allergies, so I ain't looking for
the flowers. Yeah, I'm saying I mean, you know, I
really don't do it for that, especially like when it
comes to the grills, I kind of get forgotten or
left out of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
But that's fine. I didn't do it for me.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It's for my partner, my boy Johnny, you know, and
he definitely get to shine.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
And that's what it's all about. Man.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I think about, you know, me selling grills and all
the people I sold grills to it a different style
of grills.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Or how far we took it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
But it was a team effort of me and Johnny,
and that's part of why. Like you know, there were
occasions early on, like when I was in my prime,
first coming out, like well maybe we should change the
name of the store to this Johnny and Paul Paul
and Johnny's it should it be Paul Wall's Grills. And
I always felt like, you know, if it's too associated
with myself or any rapper, then with the ups and downs.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Ups and downs of the industry for his career, maybe
you're indo catching a beef with somebody, Like.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I don't want that. I don't want that to affect that,
you know.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Let let the grills be its own thing and just
to see Johnny's vision two for a lot of this.
You know, I kind of have a you know, certain visions,
but Johnny will see like a grandiose.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Thing, like even at the store how it is now.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I was absolutely cool having the kiowskin them all right,
or having you know, linoleum tile floors, and Johnny like, nah,
we need a Usati molding crown mode, you know, Johnny.
So Johnny will see a vision sometimes that maybe I
can't even see. So it's been awesome and amazing having
a partner and to see, you know, how far Johnny's
come to be his own personality where you know, in
(03:29):
his own you know, his own branding of who he
is for sure all reason as the Johnny.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Hey Johnny, I'm trying to link with this rapper. Oh yeah, yeah,
So it's been great.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
You I feel like peak, you know, let's say two
thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, two thousand and six,
two thousand and five, that kind of era. What is
the craziest call you get where someone's in town? Is
there like a crazy like, Okay, I got to take
this person into the shop. It's two in the morning,
give me the crazy. The craziest grill shopping escapade you
(04:01):
had to go on because you were the guy back then.
Now people will call Johnny, Yeah, but back then they're
calling Paul. They're like, Yo, Paul, I'm in Houston. What
were we doing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
There's definitely a few, you know, Venus and Serena Williams,
those are I mean, when you have the icons who
aren't like the typical person, you would think if it's
a rapper, then you might associate them with wearing a grill.
But when you get some of these athletes, especially like
I said.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Serena Serena Williams all time.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know, that's that's awesome to be able to facilitate that,
to make her a grill. Now she wants a grill.
She can get good from anybody in the world, but
to one for me, you know, it's like very huge honor.
But you know, I think maybe Kanye West. Kanye West
is definitely one of the grill escapades where it started
starting with Kanye West in New York.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Did you have to mold them?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I did his mold in New York at a King
magazine photo shoot when it was like maybe twenty or
thirty of us for the coming Kings of the year,
somebody who was a he was there as a good
music CEO king, and there's somebody there as an athlete king,
up and coming king, who's an author, up and coming king,
who's whatever this and that, the banker or whatever. So
it was a room full of who's who were people
(05:12):
who were just on the rise or just killing it.
And you know, he walks in and it's a very
industry type event where there's music playing in the lounge before,
before this, before drive slow, this is my first time
ever meeting. And he walks in and he you know it,
He's like, man, it's supposed to be a hip hop event, man, and.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Where's the where's the ciphers at with a hip hop?
There's a hip hop?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
And where's a hip hop?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Hip hop?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He busts out with a freestyle, and of course he's
he's still Kanye West before his second album, so he
still is themand but he's not definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Not after between the two years.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yes, yes, so he definitely was the man.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
But it's not like where he is now that the
Kanye we know now. And he busts out a freestyle
and then that's it. Everybody is just in awe and
He's like, man, I'm trying to kick a cipher off. Man,
nobody gonna back door.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Man. I'm you know, of course, I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I come out with my freestyle and like, okay, you know,
of course there's a little camaraderie there, the hip hop camaraderie,
and then you know, we're go and have a little
side conversation about the grills and a few other things,
and he's like, hey, you know, I like your grills,
this and that him as well as don see a
few of the other people that are with him. And
I'm like, hey, look, I got the grill modes right
now in my bank.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
We can do this right here. Now, come on, let
me get your mold. And I was on the way
out to the airport, so I did his mold real quick.
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It came back to Houston and he said, you know, hey,
I'm coming to Houston soon to perform with the Scarface
at the Texas Beach Party, which is the Capple Beach Party,
but they changed the name and this actually was the
last Capple Beach Party there ever was in Galveston, and
you know, he was coming down there in a few
weeks to perform at that. So we made his grills,
(06:48):
and you know, after he performs at the beach party,
he's at Mike Dean's house in Houston. Is big shout
out Mike Dean and he's like, Okay, you know, bring
bring the grills over here.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's like three in the morning, four in the morning.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
They're mixing Diamonds off Forever Diamonds from Cleon And now,
I've been in a lot of studio sessions with a
lot of different type of musicians, but this was very unique,
extremely unique, and I've never been in a situation like
this where you know, you got Mike Dean, perhaps the
greatest engineer mixer.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Of all time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
He's in the combo.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yeah, and he's in.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
There like doing changing this and that, and Kanye West
will be like, no, turn you know such and such down,
and it'll you know, say, the song is, you know,
four minutes long. He's turning something down. It's at the
three minute forty five second mark. Okay, well they're listening
to the whole song start to end again again, start
to end again again.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I personally we heard it about one hundred times that night,
and we were at the end of the mixing session.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
So just seeing them do all of that, like, and
just seeing how dedicated he was to his craft. And
he wasn't like overwhelmed or like, you know, it wasn't
like too much. It was just like he was involved
in every part of Now, me, I couldn't from the
first time I walked in. So when you hear the
song now, it all sounds the same to me. But
(08:11):
sonically he could tell every difference. And he's like, no,
you know, I need to change this. No whatever, you know,
whatever jargon or engineer talk they were talking. He knew
all of that, and they were having their own conversation.
And I'm just like me and good were like, man,
I don't know what they talking about, but I need
to learn that language. And you know, just being able to,
you know, get him hiss grills, and then that turned
into you know, eventually slow.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
All right, another podcast brought to you by odd Socks.
That's right, baby, listen, guys, we got to stop playing here.
The most comfortable socks in the world. We've been rocking
odd socks for over ten years, all right. And when
I tell you these odd Socks basics, not only are
they the most comfortable socks in the world, they're also
a lot more affordable than.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Nike.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
They're better than they're the best socks. And listen to
basics line. Whether you got the ankle socks, whether you
got the anklet socks, the tube socks, white black, whatever
the case is, ladies. They got all kind of flavors
for y'all, and of course the vintage you know, odd socks. Man,
they got the licensing game on smash. Shout out to
them because they just did an incredible job with their
(09:20):
odd Socks pop up in Tampa. Whatever you're into, man.
Of course they got the Budweiser, they got the Michelo,
they got that. They even got fucking liquid death socks.
What are we doing here? Shout out to odd Socks.
Go to odd socksofficial dot com. Use the promo code
boot Leg right now, save twenty percent off your order,
get you some basics. Thank me later. Hey, can we
(09:41):
show a little footage from the odd Socks pop up
that they did. They made their very own like liquor store,
corner store, and all of the products were odd socks. Yes,
cut to the footage. It looks great. Shout out to
odd socks. Use that promo code. Support our family all
right odd socksoficial dot com promo code boot leg and
save some money and get some socks.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And one of my things, I was going to say,
the drive slow, Like, at what point in time do
you get sent that record? Are you in the studio
with him? Is it something to get sent over email?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like playing Pat? Shout out playing Pat?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He you know, he managed kick cutting a bunch of artists,
but he was He tried to sign me to Death Jam.
It didn't work out, but he still kind of mentored
me and gave me a lot of advice, especially when
it came to you know, moving and wiggling in the industry,
and you know, so he would give me a lot
of big bro advice.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And you know, eventually he's like, hey, I seen.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You met Kanye. I seen you man. Whatever you got
him some girls, that's what's up.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
He said he like your flow and this and that,
you know, you down to do a verse on one
of his albums. And it's like, of course, yeah, of course, wow,
who would.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Say no to that? But you know, and he's like,
you know, hey man, he might take it off, he
might not use it.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
He's very, very very particular about what he uses and
what he doesn't use, he might use just a portion
of what you say, you know, he kind of he's
kind of setting me up for.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
If I do the verses he donna I can. He
don't use it. I'm not mad, but I wouldn't be
mad either way.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It goes because I just appreciate the opportunity, you know
that he would give me. I mean from Houston people
at that time, people like me don't get a shot
to do a song on Kanye West or artist of
that caliber, you know, unless your scarface.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
So to be able to do that, he send me
playing past, send me to beat. I did my verse,
which actually was I had wrote the verse already for
Sitting Sideways.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Y'alls about to say, it's super you did you on that?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, that actually when I when I wrote Sitting Sideways,
this was the first verse I wrote to Sitting Sideways,
but I didn't really write it to the tempo of
the beat of Sitting Sideways.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So the verse that ended up on Drive Slow was
the original first verse you wrote for Sitting Side.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yes, I used to, man, I used to. This is
before I was like a heavy smoker. So my brain
would be moving like a thousand miles a minute.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And I would get so distracted by anything.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I might get distracted by the tie or you know,
the door knob of a sound and the beat.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Anything.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I would just get so distracted. So I would just
get the tempo, go sit in my car and write verse.
That's what I did. I wrote the verse that you
hear on dry slow. I wrote that for sitting sideways.
When I go in and lay it the sitting Sideways beat,
it's a little fast, so when I delivering.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Later, the vocals don't exactly look off. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
And my boy Tim Ferris was like, hey, the verse hard,
but it don't really go.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
To the temple. Man. I think he should write a
new verse.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
So I wrote it to verses for sitting sideways, and
I kept it in my pocket for just in occasions
such as they came yeah man, and I sent it.
I did the verse, send it in playing patterns like yeah,
he like it, you know, but he wants you to
come out here and lay it in La.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I come to La laid.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
And the whole time I'm thinking I'm getting punked, like
NTV punked with Ashton Kutcher. You know, I'm we get
off the plane, we come down to escalators. It's two
LA sheriffs that pulled me to side and go to
the side. They think we're like smuggling drugs or something,
and I'm like, I knew I was getting I knew
this was too good to.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Be tru Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
And then I'm I'm talking crazy to the to the
police and Goud's like, what are you doing? You're about
to get a beat up? And I'm like where asked
the cuts at? And then you know, next thing, you know,
I'm not getting punk, but yeah, yeah, I apologize. I
don't want no smoke. Iologize, and then you know, from
there we go. You know, I'm in a limo going
to the local car service going to the UH to
(13:18):
the studio, and we ended up getting pulled over and
I'm like they couldn't give me the first time, so
this is the plan B. And but we're right in
front of the studio and I asked the hey, man,
can I get out because it was like a traffic ticket?
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Can I get out?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Can I go to the studio? This is where I'm
trying to go. He lets me out. He's like, yeah,
I'm not giving you the ticket. I'm giving human ticket.
So I'm like, I'm out. And then I go in
the studio. It's a little for asking cutcher and you
know it's.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, he's in there. He was downstairs recording the song
he had with NAS.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah, major, we major. It was the one with the game.
But what was the name of the one on? But
it's yeah, same album, we major the song with us.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, man, I don't even remember. It's all like a
blu but it's all clear, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
And then I go upstairs lay my verse and he's like,
I want you to do some other stuff. So I
do whatever you tell me to do. And I'm still
just I'm prepared for the album to come out.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And yeah, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
DJ Drama called me and this was the night before
the album comes out. This is when albums came out
on Tuesdays. He's called on Monday night and he's like, hey,
he's at the list official listening party. He's like, yo,
you kind of album and I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
That I mean out yet. I ain't seen one name
on the credits. I don't know. And also I know
from just being on Swish House tapes.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Sometimes people will get on Swish House mixtapes back in
the day, then they go tell the whole.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Hood and then they.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Get taken off, and then you look like a fool
because you you know, man, you ain't on there, you know.
So I don't want to just be too excited about
being on there. Internally I'm excited, but I don't want
to be album pubby. Yeah, I'm I'm on, I'm on it,
and then he takes me off for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So you guys do the video and then the video
versions different than the version of came out on the album.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm super mad that that's not on a CD somewhere,
but the video version was different. Crazy, crazy man, such
a this is my favorite Kanye late registration is my
that's my one. But yeah, that's crazy. Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
This year? Was it?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Earlier? This year we lost Michael Watts, who obviously a legend,
somebody who you know, the founder of Swisher House, somebody
who you had such a strong relationship with. He had
a lot to do with.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Your career since I was fourteen years old, thirteen years old.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, man, can you just speak to Michael Wats because
I feel like when we think about these legendary labels,
will always hear the rap A lots will always hear
no limit cash money. But you know, a lot of
times I think Swisher House kind of falls through the cracks.
And I think a lot of textas stuff for whatever reason,
when we think about the historical contexts of hip hop
will fall through the cracks with Swisher House, you want
(15:54):
to talk about a powerhouse, man man.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Part of it is because I think Switsher House as
a label was mostly just me and Mike Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
And I don't want to say just.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Me and Mike Jones right moment.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The movement is and I mean, I don't know any
other time in hip hop, you know. And I don't
mean any disrespect or discredit to anybody else, but I
just want to give my guy his respect and his
proper due honor. I don't know any other time in
hip hop where a DJ found and discovered four artists,
at least four artists, and took them from the absolute
(16:28):
very beginning. I don't mean four established artists who are
already platinum, but four artists who had never put out
anything commercially ever molded them, helped them build their fan
base to become four platinum artists. Myself, Mike Jones, Slim
Thug could be in there. And then also you know
with Little Kiki come into the Swish House as an
(16:49):
artist too, and you know it helped give him another
around era to keep him going. Of course he's still going,
you know. And then there's all the other people that
were there as well who had amazing underground careers or
independent careers like Jade.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Dog or Archie Lee or.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Little Mario or there's there's a lot of man a
lot of artists. Man in the Swiss House really facilitated
something for us and a lot of.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Texts music did Man, he definitely deserves a lot of credits.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Were by surprise for his passing or did he have
his health?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Absolutely? I know he was, you know before he passed away.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, there were definitely signs because he was in
the hospital for something else, but you know, they wouldn't say, oh,
you know, he's about to be about to pass away,
or is this serious? You know, And I don't know
if they didn't know or they just didn't want to
share that. Also, you know, with you know, when the
words gets around, it just spreads some time. Yeah, yeah,
so man, but it definitely it definitely hit me like
(17:45):
a ton of bricks out of nowhere where it's like, wow,
we had no idea, but you know it's we had
a lot of great times together man, and just everything
he did for me. I mean, I can't imagine how
my life would be without Michael five thousand wats Man.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, man, rest in peace. Such a legend. When you
think back to that era, that five oh four oh
six eras, it was such a it was like, I
just remember, like everybody an album from Phoenix. So I
remember every record store, everybody would have the Screwed and
chop tapes. There would be the chop Not slot that
everybody was doing their own version of them.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
And I just remember like the Mike Jones album and
your album the Posters being everywhere.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
But when you think about that class, like you said earlier,
make a millionaire yourself, slim thug Mike Jones, When you're
in the middle of that and you kind of you know,
the Source magazine cover happens, and there's so much, so
much commercial crossover happens, do you kind of feel like
you're you're do you know that you're in the middle
of like a historical run for your city, like cause
it or because sometimes we're living this shit so we
(18:52):
don't have to take time to kind of breathe.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And kind of I remember when we performed still Tipping
on one O six in part and we're walking to
the stage, and this is like a key moment where
it like it's like notched in my mind of Slimp
the you know, saying, hey man, we on one O
six in Park Bro, we made it. Now I remember
(19:15):
all the other times I thought I made it. The
first time I ever heard myself on the radio, which
is me and come in or did a freestyle with
Michael Michael Wats was actually rapping. This is the first
time he ever wrapped on the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
We we did.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We did an intro for his radio show and he
would play it before his mix when he would mixed.
But Mad had her track to the box, Yeah, shout
out to the box. Mad had he had the after
Michael Wats would do the nighttime. Now Mad had her
did the afternoon so at.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So he played he did? Did he play that version
of his sound different?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Now Man had her played it? Because Wats was on
there rapping.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
But still I remember taking my god sister Nina and
she went to Prayerview and we were in the car
and antoin on in wes Lily, York, and I was
We're on the way to Prayer of You and I
remember hearing it on the radio, like, man, that's that's me.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'm on the radio.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This is crazy, uh, you know, and I remember feeling
like I made it, but it was so fleeting, because
you know, the feeling went away, and then it's like
I called here You're a man the radio.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Nope, ain't here. You're a man. Readio, Nope, ain't here.
You lying, you ain't on.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
It's like, man, I was on the radio, but nobody knows,
you know. So I remember thinking how that when is
this gonna happen again? And uh and then you know,
I remember when we signed a deal with mad had
it later on and our song and Love with My Money.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Became b Yeah, that's a big record.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
They played the hell out of that on the radio,
and that was another time where it's like, Okay, we
made it, you know. And then I mean, even through
all this time, we do sold our shows. We'd have
you know, meet and grease where the lines are out
the door. That there, crazy bud.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You guys are wearing those headbands.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah, we should have had all We should have
had some brandy ones and we were at a time.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Shout out to our brothers at hard Dean man OTTs family.
Of course, they've been sponsoring the podcast for years now.
You've been seeing the mic flag for years now. Want
to give a shout out to our brothers. I just
was in Vegas. I had to pull up all right. Look,
it's the number one dispensary in the world. When I
tell you, you walk in that thing and the bud tenders
are great. They take care of you immediately. The selection
(21:21):
is great. So when you go to Vegas, you get
into that cab, you get into that uber immediately, say
take me to Hardean. Don't know what they're doing, all right?
They go get you right, all right, the number one
premium cannabis dispensary in the world. They just got me right.
I was just in town for Raffi's birthday. Had to
pull up, get right, this nice little one to one
Hardean jersey. These are not available, all right. Shout out
(21:42):
to them, man, all right, salute to the family. Follow
him on Instagram. Hardean Underscore Las Vegas. All right, let's
get back to the podcast. Do you look back at
do you ever think about like the kind of the
what if about you and Chamellionaire and like what like
I mean, obviously everybody ended up doing really well. Yeah, everybody.
I mean, he's man, bro.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
At the time I was, I was more than happy.
I never saw a vision from my own success. I
never saw that. It really honestly took T Ferris telling
me when me and come in go on separate ways.
T Fairs telling me, hey, Bro, I feel it in
my heart. Your best days are in front of you.
They're not behind you. You got a ceilings up here.
(22:20):
You think you're ceiling here. Your ceiling is up here.
You just got to keep going. And him giving He's
a T. Fairs, the first person ever in my life
that believed in me.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
They really gave.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Me Megan for sore.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
But you know, with come in there, I was more
than happy being in a duo where on the sidekick
or I'm getting pressures on you guys right absolutely, and
you know what I'm saying. And it was amazing to
have that run with somebody that I grew up with
my whole life. I grew up with him, you know,
So my first time in the studio, first time on stage,
first time freestyling at school lunch table and on the
(22:56):
bus was all with command there, So you know, to
be able to see the ascension and rise with him
was something that was like, for sure, a dream come true.
And I never saw beyond that, but Comedian saw beyond that,
and other people saw beyond that. And so when we
you know, and I also think about how it is
like what we were.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Coman has always been business minded, like.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, and for me, I always felt like I wasn't
worthy enough to belong, so I didn't expect it and
I didn't think that I was old any of this
or so, you know, whenever I got a check, I
always felt like I was scamming somebody to get to check,
because it was like, yeah, are you sure it's supposed
to be my check? I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm just happy with whatever I would get.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I was more than happy with that, but Comean was like, nah,
no matter what we're getting, they still screwing us over.
And no matter how, no matter how much you know,
if like macaolm me saying, somebody put the knife in
your nine inches and they pull it out too, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
So that's command mind frame was like, nah, I don't matter.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
It don't matter if they're paying us more crumbs than
the next artist. We're still getting crumbs and this is
not how it should be. And he's always had that vision,
so you know it it really honestly, it took us
going our separate ways for me to be able to,
you know, become the written Paul Wall, you know, as
much as I have been.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, you remember the first time you guys were
able to kind of have like the years later convo
and like.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Just oh yeah, absolutely, like man.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, you know you was right. You know, A.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Big shout out to Pemse and E forty.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Those are the only two people the period were like
from start to finish. They were like, y'all tripping, y'all tripping, y'all,
y'all not seeing a big picture, y'all not seeing a
big picture with the money that you're missing that you
could be making right now that you're not gonna be
able to make tomorrow. You can make it today, you
can't make it tomorrow, right and your mind you're thinking
you can always get back together and it's gonna pick
(24:54):
up where it left off. That's not how it worked, right.
Sometimes it can work like that, but it's not. It's
not guaranteed. And they also saw what we represented for
who we represented for.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
You know, the city. That's also why when we had
our problems, our beefs, it never went too far because.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
We got ugly. Sometimes the Houston beef in general can get.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Like yeah yeah, but with me and him both, we didn't.
You know, we grew up with each other, We know
each other's families. We didn't want to like, I'm not
putting all that whatever, he's not putting all that out there.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And we also see who we're doing this for. If
we get.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Ugly like that, it's just gonna make us all look bad.
And we just didn't want to do that, you know
what I'm saying. So that that helped, you know, us
not get too crazy out of there.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
But PEMC when he.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
When PEMC put us on the song, and while in
that Cooper still ain't talking, you know, and that that's
when people already were like, man, we all gonna get
back together this and that he says and it's the
number one song on the radio everybody and you're in
the club and you hearing it there, it's like, oh
my god, you know. And then of course when Pemcy passed,
that really put it in the perspective where we felt like,
(26:00):
this is something we owe to him, and we owe
it to ourselves, you know, because we we at the
end of the day, we we grew up, we're brothers,
we're friends, so we we owed it to ourselves as well,
but we owed it to him. And again, like I said,
forty two, E forty was from day one, was like
y'all tripping man, is that.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
A phone call thing? Or are you guys in person? Both?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah? Both? You know. E forty was a big bro
to us.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
For a long time, from the very beginning. My bro
Sea Dog and Dallas was good friends still, you know
with E forty, so he would always you know, hey, man,
I'm gonna i'a plug you E forty many gonna get
some game and the forty being an independent pioneer that
he is, and he would just give us so much
game advice, whatever. And then you know, same with PIMC
(26:42):
and I. You know, there was times where you know,
I used to write PEMC when he was in jail
and h you know, but when he's out of jail
and I remember bumping into him at the airport one
time and we.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Have a crazy conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Crazy, I mean crazy in terms of long, a long
conversation just about me and come in here, like, man,
it was up this bullshit even come in you know, man,
y'all tripping.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I told him the same thing. I'm telling him to
tell you the same thing I told him.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Y'all tripping. And you know, there's definitely fun conversation. But
when you in person looking you know, the person you
looked up to, admired, you know, your whole rap career
or as a child.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This is somebody I looked at to my.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Whole When when you and him have that first congo,
is it in person?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
It's in person, and you know, of course this is
like nah, you don't get it. You don't know, you know,
And he was just like, man, you think me and
bunn ain't never had no problems. You think what you
know whatever, like man, you tripping? Man, you tripping paw
awhile and he telling coman or the same thing. But
it's just not you know, sometimes you gotta plan to
seed and let grow. So you gotta put the cookies.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
In the oven and let it bake, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
So we just we let the cookies bake a little
bit and then when it's when it's time, you know.
And I think that the major catalyst was Pency passing
because we definitely felt like we owed that to him
and we felt like he would be proud of us
that we buried the hatch.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
It there's this legendary source cover with everybody from Houston
on it. I mean it was it was special. Yeah,
that was But could you kind of walk me through
what was that shoot?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Was there any any funk? I mean, there are some
people on that cover that did not function with you.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
There definitely was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I wasn't on the cover, man, you were? How you well,
you know, how did you not end up on that cover?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
A few reasons, I'm you know, honestly, at that time,
I had something already planned going on with Double XL
same day, same time everything where they're like, hey, we're coming.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
It was like the All Star the super Bowl something.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Everything was in Houston.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, someone's going on in Houston and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
They actually had to ask you to be on the cover.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Well they did, but they're like, hey, we're doing it,
you know, Tuesday at five, Well Tuesday five, I'm already
doing something with Double XL And I just felt like
I can't tell them no.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
And youl by yourself, right, Man?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I was the only cover ever was on was Murder
Dog and Ozone.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So I don't know if maybe I should have Maybe
I should have said he double, I ain't gonna make it.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I remember the Double XCEL article. I think you had
a red on. If I'm not tripping, I have a
bunch of vintage double sales in the studio.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I mean that's what Atlantic Records was definitely pissed at me.
They were like, man, you're gonna be on the cover.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But I also you know, I mean honestly, I felt
a little disrespected. If it was any other region, if
it was New York, would you say, hey, we're gonna
do a New York cover. We're gonna do a New
York cover with everybody. No, they're gonna give each one
of those artists their own cover. I mean, you look
at all of us, the only time any of us
were on the cover other than like Squarat Face in
(29:33):
the group Come In There was definitely worthy of being
on his own stone cover. Slim Tub was worthy of
his own cover, same as Mike Jones, as Little Flip,
as Zero, anybody else that was on the cover. And
I just felt like, man, this is their way to
do us all at once, right, And it's like and
I also felt like, you know, I mean, we got
problems with each other, and the way it was told
(29:54):
to me was, man, I know there's some people that
we don't get along, but we're just gonna go We're
gonna just go.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Do the We're gonna do the picture and leave. We
ain't gotta speak to each other and leave it. And
I'm like, well, nah, I got an issue.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I want to I want to talk this out, you know,
like and then sometimes it'll be like, well, you know,
Jake Prince got the boxing ring, and I'm like, well,
well what if I mean, look, I definitely could box,
but what if I came box, well and I just
got to get bullied.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
But I could get my ass whoop and.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I could get messed up, you know, Like, so you know,
I just I just felt like that for me, that
wasn't for me. And you know, I'm very happy and
proud that they did because Slim Thug and Zero at
the time they had huge issues.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
They both had.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Said some I think helped squash that too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He did squashed a lot of the big squash did
the Big squashy. But but at that at that you know,
I wasn't there, but as it was told to me,
was at that photo shoot. Zero and Slim they talked
it out and they buried their hatchet, you know, as
well as some other people that were there.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
They buried their hatchet. You know. So a lot of
positivity came from that photo shoot.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
But you know, and I do think back because it
was so iconic as like, damn, man, what would have been?
And you know, they told me how you know, people
that were there were like, okay, you know, I'm standing here,
they're standing there.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Then you see the cover they put them next to
each other. Anybody, this is beefing. They got them right.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Next to each other, and it's like, man, I don't know, man,
they like kind of photoshopped it together.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
But you it is what it is, man.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And even though I didn't, you know, I didn't get
on the double xl Okay, it wasn't for that, it was.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I'm already doing something. Yeah, it's all good man.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Shout out to Raffi Law Group our family. Yes, it's
been so dope to partner with, you know, such a
name and brand and somebody who I actually am a
customer of. Shout out to Raffi Law Group, man Arizona's
premier personal injury law firm. And I don't just put
my name on anybody when we do this stuff on
the Bootleg cap podcast and you see it's partnering with brands.
(31:49):
We're very selective about who we connect with. And Raffi
is someone who's actually helped my family, helped my wife
get a settlement, all right, has helped over seventy thousand
people in Arizona. No matter what happens, Man, car accident, crash, injury,
you maybe get bit by a dog, I don't know,
whatever it is, Raffi Law Group makes the process less stressful.
(32:11):
They put money in your pocket. Yes, the name you
can trust, you already know, man, Raffi Law Group. Save
the number just in case, because hey, you get into
a car accident tomorrow, you gotta call Raffi six two
three three eight eight four three three three and want
to wish a big happy birthday to Raffi's just celebrated
his fortieth birthday. We had a good time in Vegas.
(32:32):
Fifty cent was there, pauly D was there, mad Rich
was there. E c Rock was there. It was a movie,
all right, Secretary of State was there. We were just
hanging out, Man show. Look shout out to Brandon Raffi.
Don't forget Raffi Law Group. The only calling you to
make if you're an AZ and you get into an
accident or you get into any sort of injury situation,
they'll take care you immediately call Raffi. Baby. Let's get
(32:54):
back to the podcast. It's been twenty years, twenty one
years since people shit, wow, twenty one years. Crazy crazy.
How often do you I mean, obviously you have to
perform some of the albums. Yeah, would you ever just
revisit and just throw it on it? Just not the
time machine.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I actually don't.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I really don't listen to any of my music because
I'm always working on new music.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I only listen.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You are very very active, yes, yes, on the indies,
multiple albums a year, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
A lot of them are under the radar.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
With Static Yeah, yes, man, big shoutout real Static, Yes,
big shoutout bum Bee, all the stuff I got with Terminology,
the stuff I got with Baby Bash, stuff I got
with Little Kiki, all my solo albums, the stuff I
got with.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
New artists like The Delivery Boy or whoever. Like Man,
it's definitely a lot.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
But the only time I listened to my own music
is one about to shoot the video and then I
remember you just to learn my lyrics.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
But we People's champ though. It's crazy because there's so
many songs from.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
That album that I perform, Like if I got twenty songs,
I performed five of them People's So you know, it
definitely is those are the that's when I listen to
the people tent when I'm performing.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
What is because a lot of people who are in
your position might just depend on show money, It might
not be too active when it comes to putting out
these joint albums and running up the end of catalog
or tapping in with the younger artists. What would you
kind of say is your main motivation that keeps you
hungry to still be in the studio?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Man, Man, just my love, my passion for it, you
know that.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And definitely, you know, dealing with the bs of industry politics,
or when you think you're supposed to get paid and
then you don't and you don't know who's supposed to
pay you, but regardless, you don't get to check right
And you know, you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Put your trust in faith in people that will break
your heart.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
The game will just completely break your heart, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So I've definitely lost my love a few times.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
But you know, I think back to my perspective, this
is still my childhood dream that I pray for every
day of my life today included you know, to be
able to do this and to you work so hard
to get in a position to do what you want
to do how you want to do it, to just
say no, I ain't doing it no more because I
don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's just a waste to me. And I feel like
I got a lot of bars. Well I got more
bars in.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
The criminal justice system, and I just man, you know, Definitely,
my main source of income for a long time was
selling grills. Yeah, and outside of you know, if I
was doing it only for the money, definitely I would
never make music again. It would only be grills because
that's there's a lot of money with that, but that
you know, having that secondary source of income, you know,
(35:30):
allow me to make the kind of music I want
to make, not just me chasing trends or everybody sounded
like this, So I got to sound like this.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Everybody sounded like that. I gotta sound like that.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I can make the kind of music I want to
make and for the people I want to make it for.
And I'll hear people that'll be like, man, y'all need
to bring.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Back this sound. Y'all need to do this. No more.
Ain't nobody doing this. No, y'all need to do that.
And I really take it to heart, and it'll make
me encourage me to all right, I want to make
music like that. That's the same music I like to
listen to.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You have so many, like I guess, like versions of
your career, Like I think back to when there's a
lot of errors. Listen when you get into the pocket
with Travis Skinhead, Robb you do expensive taste, man, like
that was a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'll look back at this as as like my hair
and my beard changes. It's almost like ushering in a
new era of the powwall sound, and I'll look back
at all the different errors.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
When I had the tape of fade, the little patch.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Patch, when I was fade, when I you know, started
dying my beard, I was getting a little older. When
I had the food beard, when I had the longs
easy top, when I grew my hair out, when I
left my grades show all of that. There's a lot
of different eras when I was the big power, when
I was the skinny pow wow.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You know some of that it makes.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Me think, you know about Luther Van Draws when they
be like, oh, when they used to argue.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
You know, I like the fat Luthor. I like the
skinny Luthor. And it made me like, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Coincide, you know my different errors, and you know, as
an artist, I get to grow.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
But any era that ever was a power whow, I'm
still powerwaw.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
And you're still gonna hear me if I'm rapping with
Travis Barker or if I'm rapping with Status selector or
if I'm with Jill Scott.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
It's gonna always be pa while you here.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
And then you catch a platinum song like Johnny Dang
that just opens you up to a bunch of new fans.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
That grows absolutely, man. You know, and I think back
to we do a lot of shows. So even before
we did Johnny Dang with that Mexicano team with Drodi Man,
even before that, we were doing a lot of shows.
But you know, when you look in the crowd, it
looks a certain way, a little bit older, you know,
a certain you know, there's certain people in the crowd.
(37:38):
And after that song, now all of a sudden, the
crowd is extremely diverse.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's younger.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yes, you can see the you can see the effect
of that, which was crazy. It was a man and
ushered in a new fan base. To me, first of all,
it made me kind of more established. Oh he ain't
has been he he ain't fall off. Well, he still
got something in the tank. But at the same time,
it allowed me to be introduced to a much younger
(38:07):
fan base, you know, man, big salute to that Mexicano
te man for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Okay, last two questions. Your favorite Houston album of all
time that isn't your own.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
My favorite album of all time in Houston is Easy
Dea Screwed for Life, Dea Screwed, Yeah, man, And of
course my second is Little Kicky, don't mess with Texas,
but screw for lif Dea.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh man, I could listen to that front to back.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I actually, as a DJ, I chopped and screwed it
for Big Hawk before he passed away. Big Hawk, I
don't know exactly what he had to do with releasing
the album, but he had something to do with.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Releasing the album. And I remember asking him at the
studio one time, man, how come you ain't got no
chopping screwed version of that?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And he was like, well, because if DJ screw ain't
gonna do it, he ain't putting it out. And I
was like, hey, I already got a version that I
made for my own listening pleasure. If you want to
put it out, you can, and he released it. A man,
that was amazing to you know, to do that. I
love that album.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
And then I want you to put together your mount
rushmore of let's say, oh four to seven of Houston rap.
That your era, your peak era, my era.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I mean, of course I wouldn't put myself. Exclude yourself, Yeah,
exclude myself all this. I mean, it's it's kind of easy.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It is pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I slim thug, you know, come in there, Mike Jones
and then you know, Flip.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I would maybe put a zero.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Even though heroes around.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
And you know, if you if you go back a
little further like a ninety eight ninety nine and then
not for sure it would include Flip, but you know if.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Zero going of those, Yeah, most city down is like
for people who have never partied in Houston. Yeah, it's
like coming to l A and here and YG's DPT
or like it's like 'all dreams and nightmare.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, yes, yes, it's like and nightmares. Now.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
My my Mount Rushmore all time would be the Jacker
from the Bay Area would be Rich. The Factor would
be a little kicky, and Sean Price.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Hey man, I did not expect Sean Key.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And if there's a fifth, I put Hustler from the
Mob figures as well.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
But big Guy, oh yeah, yeah, I love the baby
music man the Bait.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The Bay to me is like our twin city from Houston.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Very similar.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yes we now we we do.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
We're very different, but we're similar but big on a
car culture. We're big on our car culture where if
you don't like it, we don't care. We ain't doing
it for you, We're doing it for us. Big on
our local slang. We talk away, we talk and it's
not for you, it's for us.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
We're big on our independent hustle. We're big on supporting
our own.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I love the baby man, definitely love the bait.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, listen, Paul, I appreciate you sitting down. You got
any new music on the wear.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yes, just drop the album. It's called Fortune and Glorious
eighteen songs. I actually got a video for every.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Song on the album. Every song on the album has
a video.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And you know, stead of working on new music, to
me in terminology, have a new album, getting you come
out for the show, big big shout out, you know,
and definitely you know I'm playing on dropping until I'm eighty.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Man, God, how many albums you think?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
It's like twenty over twenty maybe, you know. I mean,
it depends on what you consider an album. Some of
the albums like it's a mixtape or it's an EP.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Or definitely include the group albums.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I'm definitely over twenty five, you know. But you know,
it's it's a blessing to be able to do what
I love to do.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
You know what I'm saying, Paul, my brother, appreciate your man, Yes, sir,
what p y'all were here at Ease you already know.
If you're in La Southern cal Man, tap in. Go
to the website right now. Use that promo code bootlegger
to get thirty percent off flower concentrates, whatever you're into,
they got it thirty percent off. Go to ease dot
com right now. It'll get delivered right to your door.
(41:46):
Or if you're in LA, pull up because we're here
right now. Come on mess shout out to Ease
Hosts And Creators
James Andre Jefferson Jr.
Bootleg Kev
Brian Baumgartner
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Bobby Bones Show
Listen to 'The Bobby Bones Show' by downloading the daily full replay.