#683 - Glasses Malone on Drake Allegedly Targeting YG, Kendrick, The Game, Akademiks, Tupac Trial & More

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Boulet cav Podcast bu Let Cavs Show Special guests in here.
He's back, my brother jem alone, Welcome, Welcome, How is everything?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Glasses man? Shit, that's good.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You have the Internet by the chokehold at the moment.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
I don't know how. I don't know how, I know how,
but I just don't think that's worth nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I want to so, I feel like you've become such
a prevalent personality over the last couple of years with
a lot of your insight on you know, what's been
going on in hip hop, and but I kind of
want to like go back to your beginning, like for
people who don't kind of understand why you're a thing.

(00:44):
Before people might have found you on Twitter or found
you on your podcast or found you on a stream.
Obviously you have a extensive career in the music industry.
What year did you initially kind of, like, I guess,
would you say you kind of started taking the rap
shit serious?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Twenty nineteen?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
That fuck out you said?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Serious? Okay, Okay, serious, Okay. What year did you initially
decide I wasn't gonna sell drugs no more and take
rap in two thousand and three?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, So Okay, two.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Thousand and three, I knew that I realized that I
could make it in rap, in the rap business. I
knew I could create a business like I knew Sugar Night.
You know. I knew that because Sugar Night, J Prince,
all of these dudes that came from my type of
background was successful, same type of guys, you know what
I mean. I knew that I could do it, Like

(01:44):
it was already laid out for me, right, So it
was a matter of just figuring out how to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So who was kind of your first co sign or
somebody who had already kind of made it in hip
hop that kind of like put their arm around you
and kind of not necessarily you don't even gotta be
somebody signed, you were managed. You just somebody who just
Doctor Dre.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Doctor Dre became the first person that I knew in
the business that made me think that I would be Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Damn, how did you how did somebody? How do you
link with Dre?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:12):
What what is the moment My older brothers uh Hit
the mother of his kids, and Doctor Dre's sister Shamika
were best friends, Okay, and I was taking music serious,
like I gave up selling shime like I kind of
conceded that I didn't want to go to prison for
it anymore.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Right, that was it. And one day he was just like,
hey man, you want to go to Doctor Dre House,
you know, for New Year's And I was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Shit crazy, Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I was like why not. But to be honest, I
didn't quite know what to think, because I don't when
I first got in the business, I wasn't looking for
a record deal, like I was like, oh no, I'm
gonna start my own. I was thinking death Role, you
wanted to start coming rap a lot ruthless. I was
thinking that I was trying to replace the the drug
spots that I had got away from. I was trying
to replace a business, that's all.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So is that before after you end up putting out
White Lightning, like what is kind of for before? So
you end up kind of having this run where you
you were fucking with Black Wall Street.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Kind of two thousand and four for us, Right.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
So that's kind of around like a little after the
three hundred bars are running there around the same four.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
So this is this is right before documentary, right before
Certified Gangsters. Damn.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
So what ended up was you in Game connecting. Was
that just like he had an idea to do this label,
to do to his own version of what fifty was doing.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
So they already had it movement. Yeah, they was already
starting to do their thing in the streets with mixtapes,
and they was really much bigger in New York. But
Game's brother, Face is like a genius and people don't
talk about Face a lot of Faces like probably one
of the most savvious people I ever met in hip hop.
He was on all the DVD's Game and he's a

(04:03):
fucking genius.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
He's like a genius. But I met them through Fox
scent Rest in Peace Folk. Being from West Side pau
he was the first guy I met from Black Wall
Street when that was a thing. So he wanted me
to meet Face, and I already knew g Rod. G
Rod was like the ultimate hustler, you know what I mean,
used to have everything for sale. Its Cedar Blocks is

(04:25):
one of those games where you know who they are
and you know they are substantial people if they from there, Yeah,
you know what I mean. So, but Face was like
this hip hop savant.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, it's it's it's unfortunate like they had that falling
out because it's like you always think like what could
have been Because there was so much momentu with Black
Wall Street, the brand. I felt like people were fucking
with it. And then it was like you were rock
star Juice.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That wasn't even that was later. It was me Fox
Scent Friday, I think b Fly was just coming up.
His sister. Uh, Life was this little baby that just
Life just walked over it. He was like this little kid,
I mean, like a high school kid. And yeah, it
was us, you know what I mean. And it was

(05:15):
all the streets. It was. It was some dope brothers,
you know, aar Recipes, Nate, you know, Fat Rat. Fat
Rat was like a jays He was super smart. Uh
all read. Mike was like this cultural phenomenon, Peanut. It
was just a bunch of really good dudes, you know
what I mean that It was like it was one

(05:37):
of the better experiences I ever had, you know, seeing buildings,
seeing seeing a movement being foundated.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Are you like around the sessions that turn into like
some of those like gun Not mixtapes.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Where Yeah, So that was that was after Remember this
is after the documentary that the documentary comes out gold
in the first week six hundred thousand roughly, and everything
is happening, and then uh, that started happening after at
the against the advisement of Doctor Dre and Jimmy Ivean.

(06:09):
So I watched that happen in real time. I watched
him record three hundred bars, so you know what I
mean all day.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
I'm about to say, what's that session like, because that's.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
All day he was just writing boars on the side
kid going back in there writing rapping, rapping all day.
It was like all day and I was like, this
shit is crazy for him to just be rapping like this.
And even the first gun I tape at Skis they
recorded that Ski spot and that was my first time
being off Melrose. Nobody from the East Side really you
just to go to Melrose back then, and I remember

(06:41):
we was just over there and he called me like, hey,
ge man, you want to get on this project? And
I'm like, oh, what you got? He's like, man, I'm
this and fifty and I'm like, nah, I want to
get on that, bro because I don't know them niggas,
you know what I'm saying. And my homies like it'll
be serious, Like I felt like more responsible for my
homeboys and how protective they were of me at that time,
and what I would allow energy to go in their space.

(07:03):
You know, you always got them homies who ain't triping,
but you do got homies. I got homies that really
love me, Like you know what I mean. That's gonna
really push a line. So I had to be real
smart with how you use those resources and allow people
to put their life on the line for you. So
I remember telling me like, nah, I want this. Them
niggas like I don't know on Plus you know, in
my mind they looked out for you, so it makes
me feel like shit. He was like, well, shit, you

(07:25):
you got to get on this motherfucker he they saying,
they saying came from the gu not take the only
song where he wasn't this And.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Did you ever try to like give your input on
them beefing at all? Like, hey, hey, are you sure
we would have do that we.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Could work out? Well, I don't think they really ever
had a fifty I understand why he was mad. Game
was just showing everybody that he can see so I
didn't really I wasn't logged on man, like I didn't
really see rap beef like that, you know what I mean, Like,
I'm still so close to gang banging. Shit is happening,

(08:04):
you know what I mean, bullshit happening. So I'm not
even Man, it's old rap ass shit. You know what
I'm saying, I'm not even I'm so busy trying to
get it together and finish what I'm building. You know
what I'm saying that I'm not even tripping off of it.
You know, some niggas rapping against each other.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Like that, How long do you think you say it
was an all day session for him to do three
hundred bars around.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
It had to probably be about seven eight hours.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Man, such a legendary.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
He was walking out, niggas is chopping it up, and
they could be riding in his side kicking all that.
Then he walked back in there and wrapped some more
like he just was rapping it all day.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
You end up linking up with who banging cash money
at the time. I mean, obviously mac ten had banger
Ball and had his partnership with cash Money, So you
I guess you were the second West Coast guy to
come out through cash Money.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Probably the third because I think TQ was there.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh yeah, they had the TQ album.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
TQ from Compton was there. Yeah, Yeah, I forgot about
t K my boy Jack from He's Coast. You know
what I'm saying. He wasn't a rapper, but he was.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Was mac ten kind of like the variable that kind
of brought music, yeah, over to the cash Money site.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
But initially it wasn't even gonna be with cash Money.
Initially it was gonna be with Tom Walli that signed
Tupac to inter score. Just the bad meeting kind of
ruined it. But they he ended up sending music over
to Stunner and Stunner just and Wayne and just thought
it was great. And you know, Jack told him what

(09:33):
type of dude I was and how I grew up
culturally and ship and they just fucked with that. Yeah,
they just thought it was great, you know what I'm saying.
And Certified worked really well, the.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Great record, great akon Hook.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah yeah, and Tump on the beat, tomp is on
fire at the time, good doing all the TI Kanye
you know, can't tell me nothing like he was just
killing and it worked, doubt, but then it became everything else.
And to be honest, I didn't know about making no
records and none of that shit, bro, Like I just was,

(10:07):
I wasn't savvy on being a rapper, right, I just
knew how to run a business. I knew how to
conduct myself. I knew how to you know, get down.
You know what I'm saying. But being a real record
maker and a rapper is a real special thing, you
know what I'm saying. It's not especially at a professional level.
And it I ain't like just rapping bars, right, you
know what I'm saying, Like, you better know something. If

(10:29):
your produc unless your producer know something, you better know something.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Is that why you say you started taking a series
in twenty nineteen. Do you feel like you figured like
something click?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
In terms of it took a long time man, two
thousand eleven of two thousand nineteen, just learning what hip
hop was.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
And you had a great run cause you had the situation.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Sure I made a bunch of money, but no, like
it wasn't It was tortuous, you know what I mean,
because a lot of times I felt like I was
in a dark And and Birdman and Wayne and Cortez
and MacMahon and Slim and they you know, Universe, they
just did great. They was awesome. You know what I mean.

(11:11):
It was just certain things I didn't know, and that's
your responsibility as a record maker, unless it is like
for real or many Fresh Now Manny Fresh is there
looks a little different, right, Manny Fresh knows about records, right,
But man, it was like, uh it was it was.
I had a great time. I learned so much, man,

(11:31):
Like I can't even speak to how great stunner Man was, like, woo.

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Let's get back into the interview. Well, I mean you
were able to put out like a bunch of I'm
sure a bunch of the records from that period after

(12:59):
you left, right, Like some of those records I'm sure
on beach cruises that ended up coming out on some noise.
Were any of those records like stuff that were like nah,
it was all new stuff. It was all new stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So the stuff with like I had put out a
lot of stuff with Wayne, stuff with Stunner, you know,
stuff with everybody from over there. It was just like
it wasn't that like making a record is a very
particular thing. It ain't like, uh, just making a song.

(13:31):
It's like a magical thing and it's it's really hard
to explain, but it's like something you just know, and
you know, people are really scientific at it. The guys
are like for for Real or Swiss or Timlin or Dre.
You know, it's definitely a producer slash DJ's game. And

(13:53):
I think the greatest mistake, you know, hip hop may
was actually trusting the rappers and not the DJ slash
producers first, because that's the band, that's the record, that's
the music. And I think I'm I'm a perfect example
of what happens when you get in the business and
you have a business mind, but you really don't know
what the record business is about. You know about you

(14:14):
know about business, but you don't know about records. So
you better have like I could make the business work
in my sleep. But then the record side is you know,
it's first, that's it's the first word of record business.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean it's like I think it like you had
that good that was a DJ head beat.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Sure, but that's when we started to So when I
first the first thing I learned twenty eleven, when I
kind of like people don't get while I walked away
from cash Money, it was like imagine being somewhere and
you felt like you a drain. Nobody treating you like
you're a drain on the economy, nobody giving you shit,
nobody's saying nothing, but you realize the shit you're putting

(14:51):
out not connecting something you missing, but you know you
don't know, Yeah, like you kinda they trying they best.
I swear to guy like that nigga trying his best,
but it's like shit not lining up. So you know,
it became like I need to figure this out. So
before I even like, I didn't just walk away like

(15:11):
I wasn't not in my contract in twenty fifteen, but
I was telling Stunning like y'all need to try some
stuff on my own.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Let me get this indie shit popping. Let me figure
some shit out, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And the first thing I learned, what I started learning
about was records and a bunch of research. You know,
tons of research, tons of research once head making head
of DJ ended up paying off real well because he
was the first person that explained BPMS to me. Yeah,
and when I understood DPMs, it's sent me down like
a rabbit hole, like send me in a spiral and

(15:41):
then down a rabbit hole. And then I started realizing
how much samples mattered and how much stuff I thought
was like this original idea, and it was really like
this other idea and it just lasted for weeks. So
when I came back to the studio, I was like, Yo,
you're supposed to make my first You're supposed to make
my record. And he was like, nig I'll know how
to make no beats. I'm like, yeah, but you just

(16:03):
played exactly your DJ and hip hop. He just looked
at me crazy, like I had to almost threaten to
hit him, like, bro, I'm telling you, historically the way
this thing worked, you supposed to make the record. And
I'm like, it ain't like you got to push every button, Nigga.
We got a studio full of dudes who know how
the button's supposed to be pushed. Just tell them and

(16:23):
it's gonna work. And he had just thought I was crazy.
He was like, man, I ain't. I'm like, trust me, bro,
Like this is how it worked because at this point
I didne went back and studied, you know, everything that
you could study, and I'm like, okay, yeah, Doctor Dre
is this person DJ you know, Eric Bee was Rock
Kim's DJ, all these guys, you know what I mean,
these were the DJs. And he just thought I was crazy.

(16:47):
And the first beat he made was that good.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Crazy first you had that record and what was the
record that? That album?

Speaker 2 (16:59):
But but he didn't make that, tom Tommy made that,
But it's like the first beat he had made because
I was staying true to hip hop. Became my first
gold record and probably my most classic West Coast raps.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Fire were you uh Nervous to redo the six in
the Morning record? And obviously Ice t ends up on it,
but like that's like one of those pivotal pillars of
like gangster rap, fuck West Coast rap, just gangster rap.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like you know what, I didn't even think about it
like that, bro, Like all I thought about was putting
Ice T and Snoop together. I realized my whole life
the two the god of gangster rap. If Ice Tea
is the god of gangster rap, Ice Cube is the
holy spirited gangster Rap, and Snoop Dogg is the motherfucker
Jesus against the Savior, you know what I'm saying. So

(17:49):
I realized Ice Tea is Snoop never had a record,
which is fucking and that became the whole purpose of
getting the record. Dumbs like y'all need to put these
two pillars of gangster rap on the same record. And
I would have tried for Cube, but you know that
was gonna be a whole nother Did you try? No? No,
I still no, But that would have been to me

(18:09):
putting together the trinity like of gangster rep. In my mind,
what is uh?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I think I don't think we's talking enough about, uh,
how important mac ten is and how you know, as
a CEO, as an A and R, as somebody who's
just a real I mean, if you just look at
his his finger you know, his fingerprints and all the
things that all the careers he's helped touch and all
the things he's done, and like he's you know, I

(18:35):
was lucky enough to interview him a couple years ago
because I feel like he's pretty elusive. He's out the way.
He might pop up on the show here and there,
but mac Ten's kind of out the way. But can
you just speak to mac Ten and and his legacy
and how just important he's kind of been to just
hip hop in general, bridging gaps. I think about the
Thicker than Water movie with him in Fat Joe and
just there's just so much he did he's done over

(18:55):
the years.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
As funny is that was supposed to be him and
Snoop really crazy, right, he was gonna do a deal
with Snoop. Oh I think we.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Might have talked about that. Yeah, oh yeah, he was
gonna sign Snoop to who bank?

Speaker 2 (19:09):
It was gonna put out I'm called fuck de Bro
And that would have created all kind of havoc. That's
why I say, man dog dog discernment is I know
God got his hand on that motherfucker, because you know
he didn't. And I but he does take the blessing
serious and he tries his best to be a decent person.
That's why I'm glad things work out for him. Oh
but mac Ten is like this is the perfect eraror

(19:31):
for mak Ten.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right now? Yeah? Because one thing that mac Tin is
really dope at is making sure what you see is
the part. He's like the best I ever met at that,
like better than anybody. He knew how to make it
look the part. Now making records is not necessarily he
ain't no damn djil, no producer, But I'm talking about
culturally putting on a demonstration. He's the best. It's funny.

(19:56):
He just put together Tudor brown Cadillac, right, and this
is Cadillac. It's like everything, oh em, it's rebuilt, but
it's got all of the ninety euro shit. He had
to wait years and years to find brand new head
likes that match because you know, they stopped making Cadillac parts,
so he had to find you know, parts all over
the world on shells and so it just looks like

(20:18):
this brand new Cadillac, except it's not brand new. And
the one Rick Ross low ride of the year car
show and motherfuckers was tripping and that one car ended
up being like his greatest marketing tool over the last
like five months. So this is to me like his
error where he was shine because it's more about what
you see versus what you hear. Yeah, that's real, Like

(20:40):
when you see Mac Mac is Mac ten, you know
he right now, even as a as a as a,
as a as an older statesman, He's still Mac ten,
right like he just he just understand how to make
him and Richie rich they they the best at making
it looked the part.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, Richie rich is one of the effortlessly coolest motherfuck's
all the planet.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And that's Macan like that. Yeah, Richard rich came in here,
was on a trillion. He won't even try him and
Magan is like that. They're like full aura, you know
what I mean, just animals. So but Mac is like
one of the best at making it look the poor.
He understands marketing at this very visual level.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
All right, so fast forward. Uh you the last time
I want to say you came on the show was
around the time you dropped what was before your album
came out?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I think, yeah, it was before canceled.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, but we were talking about the Tupac record. What
are your thoughts on the trial is finally happening for
his murder? Obviously you have the song that was Tupac
Deserved to Die Tupac Must Die, which obviously was a
perspective from the crips for people who are triggered.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It was just apective of the well, the guys that
got jumped, right, the guys who got jumped right, right right.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
So if you get jumped in a casino, Tupac must die.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
That was kind of the angle was conceptual record But people.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Are stupid, yeah, well emotional.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Emotionally yes, they're emotionally true. Nonetheless, what are your thoughts
on just obviously I feel like this is one of
the this is probably the biggest example of someone going
on like a media run that results them being put
in prison and you know, now facing a murder charge

(22:34):
for you know, the most important rapper ever possibly. What
are your thoughts just on on the fact that we're
finally getting a trial and just the whole kid angle,
And like, I've never seen somebody kind of like, I guess,
like clout themselves into a cell in such.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
A very aggressive way. I mean, I hope the best
for Keith, you know. I mean I'm one of those
people that feel like when people play in the streets,
it should be in the streets, right, you know what
I'm saying, So I really don't, you know, I hope
the best for him. I definitely don't think, yeah, yeah,
my mom knew him. Cool dude though, But I don't

(23:11):
really you know, whatever it's gonna be is what it's
gonna be. But I don't think that him doing interviews
for entertainment should be used in a quarter law as
some kind of convictional piece or some like they shouldn't
be made a convicting because of some fucking interviews. That
shit just lame. But he did write a job, but
I mean, that's a book. It's just entertainment, right, I mean,

(23:32):
so it's like, I don't know if that's wise for
us to start advocating for people's entertainment to create foot trails,
because it I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think it's like we're in this weird space where
like there's like a whole side of whatever. Yeah, you're
in the space now too for me, in side where
people will be like, oh, it's just content, everything is content.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, I ain't making no content.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
And then and there's like the other side of it
where it's like, okay, you gotta be very careful, and
then like you know, I feel like there is kind
of if you're somebody who's got an interesting perspective on
anything historical and you're kind of watching. You know, Vlad
is very good at interviewing, like a security guard or
like an engineer who was in the studio for this

(24:21):
or whatever it is. You might be like, oh shit,
I got something to say. I was near it, you know,
let me he find the motherfucker so good at finding them.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
A fan of ambulance driving, Oh shit, god.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Like, I mean, it's it's been a great business model
for him obviously, But I think like if you're like
a KEYPD, maybe you kind of see that kind of
shit and you're like, oh man, I got the real story,
Like I would like.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
To believe Keith was just hustling bullshit though, Yeah, I mean,
we'll see, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't,
I don't know. I do think it's lame that they're
trying to use any level of entertainment to convict him
on Like that's probably not wise at all.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, I think, like, I think there's a fine line
between having proof kind of differentiating what was entertainment, what
was sensationalized, and what was actually like provable.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Sure, and I think that they should still have to
do it the correct way.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
But I mean, look, we're in this new era man,
where everybody's lyrics are getting used and it's kind of crazy,
you know, it's kind of a new normal.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, nah, I'm not fucking with
that cause is I just need to see it work
on some white people. Get When I see it work
on some white people, I'd be good. Yeah. I mean, listen,
I'm sure Donald Trump is shit. It ain't working on
no white people.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Well, I mean yeah, the Trump shit is is is
insane by the way it.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Once I see it work on somebody else, like anything
work on black people here in America, like you could
do anything to them, and it's just gonna be good.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
The j Wick guy just got picked up for a murder.
But I don't think he rapped about it. I think
they just do. It was like a he shot somebody
I went to call a murder. Maybe it ends up
being a man slaughter, But I don't know. If you
know Jay wikes, no white dude got signed from Empire.
They just picked him up for like a shooting.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Is that the kid in Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
He had that song pork chopped sandwich.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Oh no, oh uh, everybody talk about make that be
there because he put hot sauce on the sandwich. Like, bro,
every I hate when oh man.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
You hate when white people get credit for something.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Everybody does, oh man, he but boy, he put hot
sauce on the pork chop sound. Everybody puts hot sauce
on a pork chop.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Sound. But because he looks the way, it was.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Like, it's a white man. It's like, you know, if
a white man do anything, they'd be like, hey, he's
just barbecue cookout man. But then that's sad for homie man.
He looked like he had a promising thing going.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Talk to me man. Obviously, the last few years has
been like an amazing time to be I would say
from the West Coast in terms of like the Kendrick
Drake thing has kind of resulted in like a lot
of people getting flowers and kind of you know, I
feel like somebody like DJ Head, who is such a

(27:09):
pivotal part of West Coast and LA culture and has
been like a hero for years here, I feel like,
finally nationally he started to get a lot of the
love and recognition that he deserves from outlets that might
not have given it to him before just because of
how close of a source he was to the biggest
hip hop beef ever for you, you also have kind

(27:31):
of come out of that specific conflict because of your insight,
right and because of your proximity to the situation or
to parties involved with a much larger profile and a
lot more attention. How have you dealt with that? And
it like it's kind of crazy like that beef. It's

(27:52):
still kind of low key, still kind of rings off,
Like every couple of weeks, you know, there'll be a
time where you'll be like, right now, we're kind of
in the middle of one of those situation suations.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Shit to me, it's just Thursday. I know that sounds crazy.
I try to accept it. Make oh man, it's some
wonderful happening. It's like, bro, like this Thursday, like when
you know, when I was just a regular gang member.
You know, when I would say something, it would mean something.
If I did a business thing, if I if I
gave you know, if I bagged up four hundred and

(28:22):
fifty dollars off a pound of week instead eight fifty.
I was getting talked about so like God just designed
it that way. My mind keeps me in some bullshit,
you know what I mean? And my thoughts. The head
didn't mean the world to me, you know That's yeah.
I love that nigga, so I want him to have
anything that he wants in his life. But I just
feel as odd sometimes I don't like it. What I

(28:45):
don't like is that now any of my opinion attributed
to a conversation is rooted in I don't like him.
Like when I first again, I was coming out of
that whole sabbatical about learning hip hop from twenty eleven nineteen,
and I came here one of the first and earliest
places I've explained why Drake wasn't hip hop. You said it,

(29:06):
and you argued about it, right, and it was before
the battle, and I'm like, it was way before that, yeah,
And I'm like, no, he's just not a street durban
culture and you could tell there's an infinity, and I
fuck would do you could tell I grew I came
in a say, through the same program as him, and
a thousand different things. But ever since the battle was like, Okay, well,
Kendrick is his boy.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
So anything you say is rooted in that, even in
all the situations.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So it's like, I don't like that part. I don't
like my intellect to be played with, you know what
I mean, or to be emotionalized, like I'm saying this
because of emotion. Like, yeah, I'm biased, but that like
to say somebody's not hip hop is not a slight
against them.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, I mean I think that you and I kind
of butt heads over that because I was like, yo,
like he makes hip hop music, Like he's a rapper
a hip hop music Okay, he was, he makes rap music.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yes, sometimes correct, But I.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Think that when you and I better heads over the
I mean this was twenty twenty one or whatever it was.
You I at tapped you in the middle of in
the beginning of the battle, and I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Get it down because because there is something, you know,
what's fun. But what I realized keV over this whole
time because it's not really just simple. This is the
only thing. Everybody just watered down. What do you mean,
like hip hop is nothing? Like you know what I mean,
It's nothing, Okay, Like imagine you went through an authentic

(30:35):
Mexican food place and everybody there was just black and like,
just not to say niggas can't cook, I'm just saying
something would be missing.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
You'd be like I mean the food is good, but
something it's.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Not so I feel like and you would know it.
It would be really hard for you to take it
serious as authentic.

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(31:40):
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father being from Memphis and being a black hole call brother. Uh,
he wasn't raised.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Culturally correct and nor was his proximity, which is fine
because it don't change that anybody can make rap music,
like rapping is a style that was popularized by hip hop,
like it even existed before hip hop. So even during
the battle, that's the thing that I was betting on.
I'm like, Bro, you're dealing with like a real cultural phenomenon,

(32:19):
Like I get he don't come across doc, comes across Hella,
clean cut, you know pop and you know clean you know,
Oh he's good. Guys, Like, Bro, this dude is like
some ship.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well I think we came out of twenty twenty four
just being like, oh, Kendrick's a psycho.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And That's what I've been saying this whole time. I'm like, Yo,
y'all don't know this dude, Like he's a real yo.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I was. I was driving from fucking La to to
Phoenix and uh, I'm by Morongo Casino and this is
fucking right after what was the joint the I don't
know what for? No, No, no. This is right after

(33:06):
the fucking where he crushes the van the video Family
Matters comes out. So I call Head and I was like, oh,
he really he don't got nothing, because the day Free
Shit was when I was like, oh this guy, dog,
he ain't got nothing. He's just saying ship the same shit.
And me and Head were talking, get off the phone, Head,
my Twitter start getting learnt on Twitter. I'm like, that

(33:27):
says this full drop Andrew. Okay, Oh it's.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Real maniac Bruhnigo maniac.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Me and Head on the phone just while the fuck
out like this is crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
That was cool, Broke. I was like, this shit just
took a turn. One of the craziest nights in hip
hop history.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
But when he did meet the Grams, it was like
it was like the most like I don't know, like
if you've seen Obsession, you know, the new movie. It
was just the most like eerie horror movie version of
a rap song ever where you're just like, oh, he
just sucked the whole life out of the dude who
had everyone's change in the video.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I'm so proud of that performance. Man, that just that
whole run of the battle.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Do you think it matters because this is what I say, right,
I think that we are two years removed from the
peak of that situation, and I look at like some
of the bigger battles in history and some of the
half truths or speculative bars that have, you know, gone

(34:29):
over on a lot of people. Do you think it
matters that in hindsight, we never knew if Drake had
the secret?

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Kid man, I'm one of those people, bro, and this
could be to my this could be an issue for me.
I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Did you make him look like a fool? Oh for sure?
And I guess I never don't get me wrong. Like
I saw in a push battle, you know what I mean,
like it made it crazy when it was like, oh
this shit eerie, Oh.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
No, the push of t shit like fucked up a
whole entire Adida's role and he exposed your child for you.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
But I don't think I ever figured out if you know, if.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Pak was a fucking faith.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Or like going back to kroris one and and Shan right, like, Bro,
it doesn't matter, it can, but it don't happen. I don't.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I don't know if jay well, you don't know if
jay Z actually left a condom on NAS's car seat.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yes. So it's like some of this stuff is like
I'm starting to believe and I don't know if it's
something wrong with me, but people are way too vested.
Like if people feel like I was vested, I'm like, bro,
I'm going to go live my life tomorrow. Like I'm
not tripping, like I know the parties involved, but like
all of these things mean something to people. So but

(35:49):
for me, man, I don't really give a fuck. Man,
I don't care. I just don't care.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Was there ever a point in time or a time
in which you reflected and you felt sorry for Drake? No?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Sometimes, okay, because we come from the same program, bro,
And like people every day, some asshole fake staying because
they're not real fans. Bro, some asshole stand pulls up
a good thing I said about Drake, and I'm like, Bro,
I actually rooted for this dude. I actually want him
to be successful. He's successful.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
He's an incredible talent, generationally talented.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Man, one of the greatest right, one of the greatest
pop record makers in the history of and.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
One of the greatest rappers of all time. He's one
of the yes rappers.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah yeah, it's hard because it's like.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
No matter how you rank him, you can rank him
in your top thirty.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
He is one of the Yeah, yeah, he is a
quality MC. I mean he can rap, he can do
all of the things. It's just.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Something's missing for you, not even not.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Even something missing. It's like it's nothing wrong with him.
Him saying like it's nothing that it's just somebody that
had a pop program from the beginning, just kind of
you know, when I'm comparing it to the guys like
jay Z or Scarface where it's just them and their
writing and they have a beat and they just versus
you know, his understanding is like his understanding was further

(37:15):
than most people have ever seen coming to me.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's the same guy who like his first viral freestyle
was reading off of a BlackBerry, which pop he normalized that.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
You, I mean, that wasn't a thing that anyone ever did,
like and you didn't do that right, And so it's
like it's nothing wrong with it. Like he for sure
is again he can rap his ass off. He's a
tremendous MC. It's none of those things. I'm just saying.
It gives off like I have to take into account,
like he approaches it like a pop musician, meaning like
he may didn't write this, you know, versus where we

(37:46):
look at some artists and hip hop and they got older,
mean like fifteen years and they finally getting some help.
It's just different. But yes, he's a tremendous rapper and
a fantastic m see and just more than anything, one
of the greatest record makers in the history of the
record business.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Had you ever met Drake before, Yes, positive interactions always, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Not a bad dude. It's just all this shit just
went fucked him up. Man.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
You know, it's interesting because it's like what made Drake
dope to me in the beginning was like he was
a relatable guy. He's just a normal, like nerdy dude
who could sing and rap and he was cool. He
wasn't trying to be anybody. He wasn't. And then there
was like the switch where it was like mob ties
and like you know, and it just it's like he's
hanging out with a lot bruh's, like you know, and

(38:33):
like from.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
The streets, and he's leaning into some of that. Fine,
but it became a little less and I think that's
kind of and even when that was happening, right, I
didn't really trip. I'm like, yeah, whatever, I guess at
that I just didn't care, you know what I mean.
I was like, just just make the songs for everybody.
I wasn't into it, So hey, listen, like you said,
he's probably there. I mean, he's the greatest record maker

(38:54):
I think in hip hop history. I wouldn't say in
hip hop history. Okay, okay, no, because it's important because okay,
this is how Elvis happens.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
He's the greatest record maker in rap music history. Yeah, yeah,
and quite possibly pop history.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Sure he's in that conversation, Yeah for sure. Yeah, he's
knocking on that door.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Would you like, Iceman, did you listen?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I'm listen to it. It's good album. I mean, but
once you sw a label, what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
This is my thing with Iceman, and I like, I
tried so my first listen, I hated it because he
was just bitching about the battle and everybody who turned it.
And I was like, man, this ship like let go,
let go man, you know, and uh. I listened to
it a second time and I tried to just be like, Okay,
let me listen to this. I don't know what it's

(39:46):
like to have gone through the worst loss that anybody
has ever taken ever in music, Like it's not even close,
got out wrapped out record, how maneuvered.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Just every single the little things, the big things.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
We're talking super Bowl Stadium tour, two sold out dates
in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Good lord.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Whole music industry is like off you. Now, all these
people that you helped, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
So I was like okay, And I don't think people
was ever off him, No, no, but I just mean
like people who were like I think, but I think
to me, like the Rick ross.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Thing is like a big thing where you were like,
that's that's kind of interesting, Like if French Montana's not mad,
why's Rick Rossman?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Well, you know what's funny is like nothing really happened.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
What do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Like just after the battle, nothing happened.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
No.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think my whole thing was like going into Iceman
and just saying okay, I think that there is a
ninety nine point nine percent chance that Drake had nightmares
and or couldn't sleep at night based off of the
mental told that this battle took on it.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Sure, I believe.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
And so if you're making a body of work going
through that and whatever after that feels like, Okay, if
that's your truth, now, let me listen to the album.
If motherfuckers wrapping his ass off.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Man, I don't think I listen. He's not some nothing
like this. Nigga is dope. He not stupid, you know
what the fuck he's doing, especially in the pursuit of
making records. He is a different type of animal. I
just feel like it's just been this is why this
doesn't happen in hip hop. Like you know you you

(41:35):
kind of get Jones on you. It's not nothing spectacular.
Even if you are made to look like a fool
like Rick Ross got punched on camera, it didn't stop
his flow. Yeah, and he's not like he's not Finna.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
By the way, his new album is fire. It's a
great album.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
To be consumed by something. And this is why I'm
really careful, right, and I don't I'm I'm really careful
with how I mentioned people in this space, Like I'm
really careful because it's like his approach is different. Yeah,
and people in hip hop approach approach is different, but

(42:13):
his approach is very special and unique. So really, when
I compare his music, I don't compare it to like
Blueprint or you know, made amatic. I compare it to
like Fleetwood, mac Rumors or Thriller or things of that.
Just because he rapping doesn't mean to me that's not
the simplistic comparative to hip hop. Hip Hop is a

(42:36):
completely different, very niche cultural thing. His understanding of taking
anything and then making something everybody can diegest is closer
to what Madonna.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
And it's like a hell of it, like the best
ever at that I think personally like, and I think
Ice Man's a great album. I have it, it's one
of my It's just you gotta get over him bitching
though it's literally you know how they say there's like
scorn baby Mama like singers, or like there's like scorned
women shit like or you'll hear sure you hear, or

(43:10):
you'll hear Chris Brown or Usher and they'll make a
song about being heartbroken by a woman. This is the
first album in which we have a heterosexual male at
least who's heart who's been heartbroken by a bunch of
his homies.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And so I'm gonna say this, and I know everybody
gonna be mad. Sometimes it be feeling very homo erotic bro,
cause it's like I know, yea, I know what's gonna
happen because it's like editing. No, because it's not like
you know, the probably every time I talk, because people
gonna be like this nigga be mad and I'm like,
I'm not mad. I'm just saying naturally because it's all

(43:47):
driven off I fucked with this nigga girl, I did
this or this nigga, I'm fucking this Girl's like, Bro,
if a man comes to your mind when you fucking
a lady, that's a very homo erotic thought. If that's
a if that fuse your interest in a woman, I mean,
if who she slept with, fuse your interests.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Like, oh, I'm gonna add I'm gonna be able to
have that over it.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Oh yeah, like oh I got Future's baby mama. Yeah, Bro,
you're probably gay. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Not like.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
It feels like a lot of the roots of his
issues with other people that aren't homere rotic shit, it
all sources with a woman. I think that's what happened
with Metro.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Sure, but it's all But that's my point where it's
like it'd be homeore rotic shit. But in his case,
I think part of it is like I'm mad at niggas.
Niggas didn't really accept me.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I'm gonna fuck their bitch.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I'm gonna show you that I'm worth the same thing
you fuck. I'm gonna show you I'm worth the same
thing because we could fuck the same women. And it's
like that's probably not a great judge your value. You
gotta walk down the same streets. But in his case, man,
I think everything was always fine, and I guess that's
the point, Like, just because you lost a battle, bro,
you're gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
You're like, to me, the lawsuit is the worst strategic
decision I've ever seen anyone ever make. And that's not
even like music industry. That's just like, you know, maybe
Dennis Shrewder turning down his Lakers deal, you know, eighty
million dollars and then you know, chasing money the rest
of his career. That's up there. But but Drake doubling

(45:20):
down on this lawsuit shit after losing a battle. It's
like that is when it's like, Okay, you don't even
look at the world through like the spirit of like
this rap shit for real, because could you imagine if
fucking nas or jay Z would suit each other in
two thousand and one. Yeah, it'd been crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah yeah. So but and that's why I'm saying it's
a space for it, because it's just not he don't
have these expectations. He don't have the burden of culture.
And so again it that's no way I put Black
on his talent. It's on this phenomenal and he was
always gonna be fine even after the battle. I just
hate that the energy is like, oh it was. It's like, bro,
you're fucking fantastic at this.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Only somebody who doesn't have the burden of culture could
go through with doing that lawsuit and doubling down.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
And being fine and being fine any of us, Oh,
it's the end of your life.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
What is your favorite Drake song of all time?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Can you stop?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
NonStop stop big book?

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Guys? See, I mean, I'm not gonna argue with these
crazy people if if I can't condemn somebody doing some
bullshit or or something that's in my wheelhouse. Man, fuck
these people. I don't give a fuck. People get so mad,
I don't get me. I don't give a fuck, do you?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
So you've dealt with this, you and head have dealt
with this on a level that I can't comprehend because
I've dealt with it on a smaller level, and it's
been a lot. The Drake ovio Twitter accounts theirs, they
are fucking psycho, their psycho. I'm not sure if they're real.
A lot of these people are in cells. A lot

(46:50):
of these people are in a basement beating their dick
all day.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
But it is like this weird.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Block of Twitter accounts that they can at the ovo
owls and the the six Side ship in their bio.
Their entire pages are dedicated to another grown man.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
See that the ship when they had to look alike? Party?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yes, like these like but like pop, these motherfuckers are
like psychos.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
But you don't remember that's like Britney Spears ship like that,
Like that never happened hip hop, It ain't none of
us dressed like no motherfucker ice Cube. Niggas love ice Cing.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean there's been some old school hip hop theme
parties or people bust out, like you know.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Not a high school not a theme No, no, you're right,
but like, yo, would you go you're a die hard
Clips fan? Would I what would it be?

Speaker 1 (47:34):
A Clips party or would it be a clip costume party, No, no, come.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
On, no no, A complete look alike? No, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I would go to like a two thousands era party
and I would bust out an om your pusher t
and some like you know, bathing a.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
No, I mean you have to you have to darken
your skin. No, no, come on, just say it, or
like you would go to a place like that. No, no, no, no,
so be weird. I think his audience is. I think
as the world has been like black life in Americas
and gingrified, here's part of what's happening. So everybody's moving
in on the space. But I probably was always gonna
be fun.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
I blocked seven eight hundred accounts just just off of
just this beef.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, I won't block one. I love the humility. I
love the shit theyby said, some crazy shit like I
be reading it because some people I'm like, if I
see you hit your side your head. But for the
most part, I don't mind the humility. I don't mind
somebody trying to humble me.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Could you and academics have a conversation in person that
wouldn't result in violence?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Why the fuck would I fight?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Act? I'm just curious, Yeah, but why would. He's been
pretty disrespectful too. I mean he's he said some crazy
shit about everybody, and.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, but all them people. The kick is that now
he ain't said shit fucked up about listen. Act is
in this really weird space because people call it journalism,
but it's not. It's more rooted in his opinion on
what's happening in.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
The news, right like a it's an opinion based show
for sure, Yes, And I think.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
The confusionist people think they you know, they conflated with
somebody giving just you know, like a news.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
It's not news, No, it's academics commentating on what's going
on culturally through his.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Perspective, through his lens. So it's like, I wouldn't really
have no problem like me an ACT don't. God, I
don't got no problems with Act. The shit he said
about my own body gonna you know, you can probably
have to fight them about this shit, or you may don't.
But like, I don't think me and him personally had
no thing. I don't think he would want to sit
down me because he know, I know what the fuck
I'm talking about, right, Most of these people not gonna

(49:34):
want to sit down me because I know what I
care about. It Like for them, this is just like
a hustle, like they're just making money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I think what made academics like endearing to the public
on The Joe Budden Show was that he felt like
he was like a fan and he is a fan
of music who kind of got thrown on on on camera.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I don't know if he's really a fan.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
No, no, I'm not saying he's like a fan of
like he's not like a hip hop head per se.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
But I think, like, don't even I don't even mean
like a a hip hop head' I think, man, this
ship is tag is just Thursday.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
No.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
But I think like when he first came in, he
felt like it was like, oh, they just they took
this guy off the Internet and now he's in front
of these rappers, which is why I thought, like, if
you think about that Migos moment, he was like genuinely
like excited to talk to the Migos.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
He forgot he just said talking shit and so it
was like you know it.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Was it was I like, it acts like initial run.
I was like, I fuck with dude because he's just
like he's.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
How any random like hip hop fan with acts initial
run was the Chicago shit.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Well, I mean, I mean when we public, when we
saw him, I wasn't I saw I was back there.
You were fucking with the Shyrack shit.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
I was like that at all. Okay, make no mistake.
Everything about this ship is few by Street. Urban culture
is Act's take on Chicago street urban coachure my teen's
happening in that flockos success is happening because of his
take on Los Angeles Street.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
And I thoroughly enjoy Flocko's YouTube channel.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Which I've told him multiple times it's irrespond like this
lie telling about Mustard, that's a bad lie.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
I will watch him like tear down, like Chud the Builder,
and like I don't watch the hip hop shit because
I kind of like sure, I kind of know that
him and I are not aligned.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And it's not alignment because like he's a gifted storyteller,
very good at that, Like acc is a gifted orator,
Like he can he can dictate and narrate exactly what
he's watching in his voice. It's certain things that I
know that make that works for whatever you.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Want to say about Aki is a gifted communicator and
there's something that resonates with the public.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And with flock flock is a gifted storyteller. But the
problem is both of them will fucking lie. And that's
where it can be dangerous because you're in like right
now the ship Flocko is doing with Mustard, that's irresponsible,
Like you you can.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Say that saying that Mustard someone out right yes over
a murder.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So this people got friends, homies. You could put this
man life in danger. That shit is irresponsible, and that's
what the burden.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Of culture would prevent you from talking about.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, so this is goes back to that same conversation,
the burden of they don't have the burden of culture.
They will they don't have the burden of none of
this shit that I could be like man Trump, duh
lah dah, he don't give a fuck how niggas feel.
Flock Oh, don't give a fuck out. They don't. It's
not they don't have the burden of culture. The thing

(52:39):
that makes hip hop hip hop is the burden of culture.
Like that's the thing, you know what I'm saying, and
even further in their space for you know, how they
see the world. So but I think this again, Street
urban culture is the gift that keeps on giving and
this is why we have them. But no, I don't.
I wouldn't. There's no reason for me to fight academics.

(52:59):
Like well, I feel like there was just.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Like this funny thing where it was like everybody kind
of shows sides in this thing, right, and then it
automatically like made people who like, you know, I think
about like even like I remember at the beginning of
the battle, DJ Head and academics had a constructive conversation
on academics stream and I was like, oh, that was

(53:23):
dope head is head, So you're not gonna, you know,
win that, but it was a constructive conversation and then
it turned into disrespect somewhere on one side obviously, and
I'm like, all right, well and then you know, and
even like even like Maw like mal somebody who you know,

(53:46):
I fuck with Rory and Maul's podcast a lot, but
like some of his like it just became like okay,
like it's almost like, you know, when we watched CNN
or Fox, there's these two different truths that people like
exist then depending on what channel you watch, And it
felt like that was some of the some of some
of the commentators in this battle, it was like, y'all

(54:08):
are just not being genuine, Like you're being disingenuous because
of your relationship or your ties or your fandom to
whichever side right. And I felt like on the Drake side,
it was like there were so many guys who were
just like, Okay, what do we are? We just gonna
not tell the truth on what's going on here, Like.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Man, to be honest, man, I thought that shit was humorous.
I thought it was funny. I don't know, man, I
don't know. I don't think. I get I don't The
disrespect thing is raggedy like, but I think part of
it is because enough people don't sit down. Now, I

(54:46):
get it. There's some people I'm not gonna sit down with,
not because I don't think we would have a constructive conversation.
I just think that their point is to cause chaos.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah, they're not They're not coming from a place, genuine place. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
So like acts like I don't think I think he
knows better. I think he knows the stuff within like
flock oh, like that shit with mustard is fucked up,
Like that's not something to play with, and to me,
it should be imposed upon him by like his the
people that are in his street urban circle, you know,

(55:20):
rock Star, p Nighte, all of those people. Do you DM.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
I know you guys had a moment on stream, but
do you like do you text flock on the side?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Nah? Nah, because like I have before, Like but like
when I told him that day, like you you have
to know that this could cost somebody they life. You
know what I'm saying, This is serious like this, and
I think sometimes they treat us like we characters on
a video game and they just playing a video game
for the world and they just controlling it. And it's like, bro,
there's no three lives. Bro, Like this is serious and

(55:50):
that's kind of like my energy about it all. It's like, bro,
this is real for us. This is like our real lives.
This is our friends, family, everybody we knew growing up
in our childhood. And you are doing something to be entertaining,
but you can cost someone their life And what do
you think that means after that? Like it's not about

(56:12):
you know, initiating fear in you. It's like, bro, like
how like you're a regular. But this goes to the
point of where I always say street urban culture people
have more morals than a regular civilian, Like there is
no code of conduct for a regular person. It's whatever
to get ahead or whoever that person want to be.

(56:35):
Where we live at, accountability as a must. If you
go around saying something about a motherfucker, it's expected for
you to see that motherfucker say it to their face.
And the real world is not like that. Like you
watch people be online all the time, call each other's
out there name motherfucker, be like, oh you punk ass bitch,
and they be talking crazy and then the motherfucker hit
them and they'll be surprised, like why'd you hit me?

(56:56):
It's like because people really think they should be able
to say what they want to say. That is what
makes it different than any street urban lifestyle that is
not true. So there's a moral you know, space of
how you talk here and accountability, like to the initial
point is very personal, and niggas will just be like, yeah,

(57:17):
well you had to come in, So I don't think
I would have If I saw academicly, it'd be like
what up and just be a very entertaining podcast. Sure,
but it's probably gonna end more with me explaining where
he's wrong at him omitting he's wrong, and then him
going back to doing what he was doing because that's
his business. Same with Flo. H If I talk to Flo, oh,

(57:38):
it's gonna be me, you know, being a forty six
year old man from the streets, educating him on exactly
where he's wrong, you know, him trying to refute it,
but then me, you know, deflating that, you know, taking
the air out of those debates and holding them accountable,
but him going back to entertaining how he's entertaining. So

(57:59):
I guess the whole point is, these are real people's
lives you're entertaining with.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah, I always say that when it comes to some
of like these new quote unquote hip hop fans, they're
not even fans of the music, they're fans of the
story that they found on YouTube. Like, you know, you
talked about the Shirak shit. I'm like, there's so many
people who don't give a fuck about none of you know,
the Jacksonville shit, you know, Fulio dying and all. You know,

(58:25):
there's so many people who they don't consume the music.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Man, they they're just consuming the trauma. They right back
at their cubicle, pouring coffee into their mound it's their
TV show, doing their database.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
It's their TV show. Whether it's like a Traplo or
Ross documentary or fly, you know, it's it's it's entertainment.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, and so it's like, that's why I'm really careful.
Back to that point from twenty twenty one to twenty
two where I'm telling you I'm careful with who I
call hip hop right, and I think as all of
us in the space should be really careful. That's not
to say people don't do business or make money off
of hip hop, but I think the burden of culture

(59:02):
is the thing that anchors us down.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
What do you think There's obviously somebody you're close with
both parties, but I saw stat Quo and Justin We're
doing a podcast yesterday, Top calls in to give full
context on why Kendrick and Game stopped talking. Had to
do with the one hundred video shoot, which is twelve

(59:26):
thirteen years ago now at this point, ten years ago,
Kendrick not loving the fact that Drake was in Compton
and had subliminal bars for Kendrick on that record. I
think it's a shame because you know, they got Game
and Kendrick have such deep history and.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Me, I don't know. I'm still really surprised, and I
don't know exactly what the fuck Chuck was thinking, Like,
you can't let this nigga disc gaming. You can't let
this nigga DISDT in Compton, right, you really ain't supposed
to be on no record what his nigga dissing him.
But if I don't even know, you don't bring into
competent like that's even watching top Like I didn't want

(01:00:07):
Toime to do that because I don't want them arguing
on the net and shit, but this shit is just
disappointing and it's frustrating. I mean, it's frustrating because everybody
is looking hip hop is such a wee thing, you

(01:00:28):
know what I mean, It's an US thing, right, and
whenever there's cracks in US, it's just it's just fucking ridiculous.

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(01:02:01):
definitely think it's when you hear shit like that, it's like,
oh that makes so much sense. Well, I mean Game
not being at the pop you know all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You're like, okay, I mean you always kind of knew
there was like because you know, but there is no tensions.
Like the belief is that there's a tension and it's not.
The truth is if motherfucker's not seeing eye eye on
certain thing, motherfuckers just don't speak right, you know what
I mean. But I don't think it changes your dynamic
right of you know what y'all built. But again, man,

(01:02:30):
this shit just and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
The moments that they're a part. I think about that that.
You know, when it was Game corrupt Snoop on stage
passing the torch to Kendre. I mean, that's that's etched
in history, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
So yeah, I saw that shit. I was like, fuck man,
you how okay?

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
On a scale from like one to one hundred percent,
because you made headlines because you brought up the fact
that Drake might be assisting in some of the financing
of pushing this YG narrative with the Draco situation, How
sure are you that that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
It's not asap. Rocky just did an interview where he explained, like, man,
these this this is something that they do in the business.
You know what I mean? They see stories like this
is not no big thing. Like the same thing happened
in a civil suit with Universal. He accused them of crimes.
It's the reason you accused somebody of crimes. Puff just

(01:03:24):
went to jail out of a civil suit accused and
Cassi your crimes. Like this is not some deep thing.
It's simple, Like it's right in on fucking face, like
that's not deep. The fact that everybody made it like
that was some Oh my god, I couldnap be like, Bro,
he's fucking upset. Of course he is. But my problem is, Bro,
your hounds are doing some shit that could cost some niggas.

(01:03:45):
I don't know. Fuck how mad you is at no
pussy ass fucking battle. I'm the fuck how mad you
is about no fucking dumb ass rap battle. Grow the
fuck up, Bro, You're gonna make millions of dollars. Your
kids are straight, but you keep playing it, just get
fucked up. It's gonna get fucked up, bro, because ain't
nobody just taking no fucking losses. You don't nobody got
enough money to not be seen. No matter what you think,

(01:04:07):
you still black. Like all of these things are in
the realm, so bro, just like it's one thing you're
trying to make it look nigga look dumb. It's another
thing where your minions right for lack of better terms,
are doing things to falsely incriminate somebody because you know, again,
we in America where they don't have no problem fucking

(01:04:28):
over a black man. That's it. So it's like, just
be mindful of that. And it's not that deep. It's
not like this whole thing this is everybody's talking about
the same exact thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, it's almost like when you push a narrative. First
of all, it's easy to push narratives, especially if you
have certain people in your pocket or who fuck with you,
you know what I'm saying, And narratives become truths, man,
and people get drummed up off of public sentiment. Like
it's a thing, Like public sentiment is a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
That we're watching it happen in multiple cases, like we
keep seeing it happen, and I'm just saying, and this
is another thing, like, right, the burden of culture that
would make you responsible, Right, the burden of culture that
would make you responsible for doing this, It's it's not there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
So to be honest, I'm the only motherfucker's like seeing
it out loud and every motherfucker like, man, they know
it's true, but to the general public, it just sound
like this conspiracy. So that's it kind of just becomes
like Bro. I honestly, I didn't even want to talk
about in the first place. I was just in a
fucking another space and I was trying to spare one

(01:05:34):
of cuz stands that be playing and it's like, bro,
I'm not playing, bro, And cuz know I'm not playing.
All this partners know I'm not playing. If my partners
ain't told them I'm not playing, I'm not playing. I'm
not fucking around dog.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Man, it's like real life. Like you said, it's one
thing to make it lott someone look stupid or look
broke or whatever the fuck. But it's like when you
start fucking around people's life, like life, it's like, yoh,
what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And that's to me what it is. So it's like,
y G Bro didn't kill that man. Bro, hy G
didn't have that. Nothing about HyG had something that shit
just done and must it didn't bail this boy out
of no motherfucking jed bill. That's just not true. But
these have real life ramifications. So when people are pushing
that narrative and I know who's seeding stories and who

(01:06:18):
don't have no problem watering them with money, I'm speaking
out a lot of hey, cuz that's not player bro,
And it's not like I wanted to do it then
I don't. That's why I kind of haven't really talked
about it and I'm not trying to get into all
that shit, like I don't give fuck what none of
these people think, cause you and I know what's going on.
It was a message directly to you. I'm not you know,
it just happened to be because we don't talk on

(01:06:40):
the phone or I'm not talking to Tillble, I'm not
talking about I'm not trying to send no message to
the homie, to you. I'm telling you cuz to you,
like hey, cut, don't do that. I don't fuck how
mad you is. Like it was like the whole bron
shit because it was like crimes allegs and that shit prostitution.
You talking about Couzin this old lady, he alleged crimes
against Browns about paying for p and you like this

(01:07:00):
ain't something abnormal because he's been doing it the whole
time since the battle.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Yeah, imagine like you put like like he like why,
Like that's the thing, bro, motherfuckers have no standards. It's
like you over here trying to break up someone's marriage
because they went to the pop out and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Dance ad to a nigga song who he'd been dancing
And I get it. To the general population, that's some
bitch ass shit though, But the general a lot of
people in the general population is whole ass niggas. So
whole ass niggas unite and they find each other and
then so it's not no men. So then the one
man that's screaming feel me just look crazy. I just
looked like a crazy old man on my yard cuz

(01:07:36):
versus like, hey, bro, be a man. Bro, you you've
got in this battle for you know what I mean?
You lost the battle. Somebody outmaneuvered you, no problem, keep
it moving. Put fucking millionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Your life is straight. Bro. You can put out some records.
You the king of this record shit you get.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
The fucker had a Lebron James tattoo on his body,
so and then and then proceeded to try to break
up his marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Yes, because you're mad so the fact, and then said
he paid for prostitutes. Like I'm not saying nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Crazy is in jail for that right now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yes, because somebody filed a civil suit allegend criminal activities.
The people investigated it after the civil suit when it
so again, I'm not It just sounds crazy because I
just sound like the crazy old man on the yard
versus I'm not no nigga. I ain't been telling y'all
no motherfucking lies because I ain't the nigga around this

(01:08:28):
motherfucker trying to lie because I'm not trying to kicking
no nigga. Back in and get nowhere, bro. Like one thing,
we're joking about a battle and having fun and all that,
and me standing up for my partner for me, Bro,
I don't care, but I don't want you to put
this hy g them dudes ain't man. That's not right. Bro, Like,
that's not right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Bro. Them niggas ain't bro Like he's a fucking executive
and it ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Nobody else gonna speak up, you know what I mean?
For the young hommies and everybody don't speak damn shit.
I guess I'm stuck because I can't do it no
other way, am I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Thing is like, why G's not making the song that
he put on his album, which is right there by
the way Gentlemen's Club. That would be an insane thing
to put that record out and then still like like
actually have something to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Do with what happened, bro, that that shit is just dune.
Like everybody in the streets know what happened, right like
that the streets taught we know what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
What is your thoughts on because I do think we're
like I feel like I'm surprised gang members are still
going on podcasts talking about stuff they shouldn't be talking
about after we've seen the last five years happen, right ricos,

(01:09:48):
people are in jail, people have died, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. What do you kind of like like in
terms of like the gang culture turning in the content
because active game members or retired game whatever, you can't retire.
You got to get off the set. But are are

(01:10:08):
making it content.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
It's a tough thing, you know, Like people want to
condemn it, but it's like these people are trying to
change their life.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
They're trying to feed their family.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
It's like, here's some shit. I've been through an experience
that separates me from ninety nine point nine percent of
the general public, right, and somebody wants to pay me
to hear about all this trauma I've been through, right,
Like I could be our robbing motherfuckers. I could be

(01:10:41):
you know, all the stuff. So there's that part of me,
and that's the part of me that I really emphasize
what the situation is. Don't got nothing to say as
long as you being accountable for whatever comes from it,
come from it. Cool, But I don't have no condemnation
for homies trying to change their life. I remember what
it was like excelling shirm every day. I remember what

(01:11:01):
it's like getting shot at. I remember it was like
busting on niggas. I remember going through all this, going
to jail, fighting a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Of people that obviously you can't blame somebody for rather
going and sitting down and doing a podcast than going
and hitting a lick that could cost them, you know,
their life or you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
So it's enough people to me talking shit about them,
you know what I mean? For me, it's like like,
and I hope it work out for you, bro, like
I just wanted to work out for you. I want
I want you to be able to make a living.
I want you to be able to send and find
your ship, like people like Bosco or you know, people
that have made like Munchie. Certain people to me that

(01:11:37):
are really positioning themselves, like I want them to change
their life. And if what they got to offer initially
is their cultural experience growing up in this jungle that
we grew up here. What's the gummy from avalon a cartoon?

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think, like how great of an entertaining do brick
Baby was before he got such a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Beause he was almost good, he was almost out, you
know what I mean. And so I want all of
the people that I grew up, you know, that grew
up like me, to have a chance to make it
out too. And it's a tough thing. All I say
is just be accountable because you know this shit, it's
a bunch of people rooting against you. It's a bunch
of people that are jealous of your experience. They're jealous

(01:12:19):
that people respect that you were able to survive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
And now you've got notoriety.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, I hate that shit. They'd be like, man, well, shit,
I've been stipling the papers for all these years. Why
y'all appreciate him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
It's also like an understandable thing to if you're just
living in your truth and you're on a live stream,
if you're just talking free like people like some people
just like will let shit go that they probably be like, damn,
I shouldn't have said that, but we was live on
the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
It is what it is. I get it, though.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
I've been in the strongstanding that prior to, I mean,
prior to any of this beef shit, I had Kendrick
two or three all time on my top five because
I was to tell people if you could put Biggie
in your top five off of two albums, I could
put Kendrick in my top five off of five albums.

(01:13:10):
And obviously you know Section eighty and Kendrick glmarip and.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
After all this and after gn X, I think it's
either him or Jay Z. And I mean when I
say the greatest rapper of all time, what do you have, like,
where do you have him?

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I think Snoop Dogg is the greatest hip hop artist
of wal time. Okay, I think Snoop is the greatest
hip hop artist of all time. I think culturally the
phenomenon that he is, you know, it's some I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Think Doggie Still is the greatest album of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
Ship. Yeah, that's a great album. I don't know, man
watching dot to be honest, Like what's crazy is gn
X is my favorite Kendrick album? Is the first one
I've ever you know, really that that kind of send
it into because I'm also probably like like all the
stuff I grew up, you know, i'mthing nostalgic about growing up.
For sure. This is like the first Kindrick album that

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I've ever played, Like I play the Chronic right, or
I play dog Food or street Gospel or Rhythmalism or
Blueprints or Made or any of that. Like I play
this Ship like that, So like I'm more than anything.
I'm impressed. But for people arguing about the greatest, you
know what I mean, he's as qualified as anybody else

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in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
I think he's got Damn, You're more classics than anybody.
I think the only discography I would say kind of
hangs with him or or surpasses him unequivalent, it's Kanye
in terms of quality.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
I always feel like me and we talked about this,
I always feel like Kanye first half of his career
is overrated. The second half is really where you get Kanye.
You're tripping man overrated because it's a hell of fundamental,
but it's great. It's with training wheels, you know what
I'm saying, Like when he got loose, by the time
he starts doing Ship like Jesus, by the time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I love you, like I got used this high in
my life of Pablo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Ya like the ya ep, Like that's my favorite Kanye product.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Yay Yay. Really, I mean, I think ghost Town's one
of the greatest songs. That's my ship, It's one of
the greatest songs got.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
And to me, that's that to me is like that's
where yay is Yay. All that other ship from them
early records, Damn is just his renditions of I mean,
I don't listen.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
I think that's like saying, you know, doggy style is,
you know, and the blue Carpet treatment. We'll be like, well,
they're very different phases of Snoop's life and both very great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
But but for me, the production part of it is
the conversation, not love the production, not him as an
MC right, because him as an MC is an evolution
of man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
But My Beautiful Dark Twist Fantasy the greatest album ever
really outside of Snoop. But I think if you were,
if you were to take it's almost like I always say,
I'm a Lebron guy. But to me, if someone says
that Jordan's the goat, I can't argue with that. And
if I was a Jordan guy, if someone told me
Lebron was the goat, I couldn't argue with it. Probably

(01:16:09):
could hater anyway, let's not get into the fund. But
I think if like I think the Kanye, my Beautiful
Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album that if someone was like,
this is the greatest album ever, it's perfect. I can't
say nothing, really, I can't say nothing. What's what's the
what's the joint on?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
There? You skip? That ship is impeccable, you know, That's all?
That's all like subjective what I will say is by
that time, he started to figure out who he was
as a producer, and that's what I appreciate, right, Like
my favorite a album Go Yay, Pablo Jesus, Dark Twisted Fantasy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Oh you're like yeah, I mean listen, I love yes
this man, and then Pablos.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
As a producer, he starts defining himself, like listening to
college dropout, you know, like registration registrations, she graduation, graduation.
He started kind of just moving into a poppiler space.
But I think fundamentally it was I heard what he
was doing before, and I thought he did it well
to where I can accept it. But when he started gambling,

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you know what I mean, that's when I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Get I get what you mean by that my personal
favorite because I think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
There's like funny you said, ghost down that is my shit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
It's my favorite song on the album, and I think
it's it's in the contention for best Yay song ever.
But I think, like my favorite Kanye album is different
than what I think it's the best. My favorite is
Late Registration. But then like in that conros the at
least this is up there versus on Late Registration, we
major shots in knabs Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
But yeah, so I think his first half is a
bit overrated, but I get it. That's what everybody could
connect to, Like people don't like to gamble, but man
to me, like later in his career when he started
gambling with sounds and like five thirty even off one
of the last projects, and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
I mean that's just bully by the way, bullies fire.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I haven't really been listening, but I heard five thirty yeah,
and I mean yay. And Pablo like Ultra Light being
like that style of production to me is yay. That's
where like I get yay. I don't get this version
of Pete Rock. I don't get this version of Rizles's
what you're saying, primo, I get.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Like an elevator, Like you're essentially getting an evolved version
of the boom Back shit with the first two albums
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Honestly a poppier version of the boom Back like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
More like to me, a perfected version if I had
to be honest, like if.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
I think it like yeah nah, because yay, oh none
of them got to be as tight as cream, but
it's clean, it's digestible for the men stream, like you know,
taking a chaka Cohn song and pitching up the vocals.
I get what the thought was, but man, when you
start getting to songs like ghost Town or No No,
when he started taking like risk.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
I think it started on graduation, when he started fucking
with like the EDM shit and sampling it stronger. But
I feel like nobody, but nobody was doing that ship.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
And hip hop that was I don't think that's really
the game that was groundbreaking though, sure, because you now
you you usher in a genre that hip hop doesn't
necessarily well, that's not necessarily tru because we start going
back to BAM and you whatever. But I get it.
But the point I'm saying is when you start doing
it like ghost Town, I never heard no ship like
this incredible, Like I never heard ship like Ultra. Do

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you like Kitsy Ghosts. I'm not a Cuddy fan.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Oh you're tripping.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I never got into a shout to get cutting.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
We have him as a vampire.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I never got in a Cuddy like that. Listen to that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
No, you have to listen to that album because it's
kind of a continuation of Yet you have to listen
to that. There's ghost Town Part twos on there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You have to ghost on ghost Town too, but ghost
Town man, who you got that is? Wanna like?

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
To me? Is when I was like, oh this niggas,
you know he got something that's special.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Okay, I want you to rank the following five hip
hop albums, Okay, Doggy Style, My Crazy Life, the documentary,
g n X, dog Food.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Based off my opinion of what I grew up listening to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Just give me your five, based off what are what
are the better?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
What's greater or better? Greater is a different conversation because
greater is how to impact everybody yours, your dog food,
dog food, everything else. Okay, Okay, so if dog Foods
number one personally, gn X is gonna probably be number two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Okay, we got My Crazy Life, we got the documentary.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
What else did I say? Dog Style? So for sure,
dog Food is the first album that fit my life
at that time and it made sense to me. Uh
G and X has pretty pretty much been the soundtrack
of my last Like I haven't played an album as
much as I played gen X in a long time,
year and a half straight, like like my life's mantra,

(01:20:58):
Like like whacked out mirrors, that's like they gotta played
at my funeral fire like that's like never by Scarface
and whacked out Mirrors are like right there, as like
my life's creed as a as a man, I'm gonna
I'm gonna have to go doggy style three. Yeah, I
was close to it and then crazy like. But what's
funny is I probably played my Crazy Life more than documentary,

(01:21:21):
But documentary probably means more because I saw it up
close and personal. I was there when that happened, and
I saw the rollout, I saw videos being shot. I
saw that it was personal. But my crazy life is
I probably played my Crazy Life third the most.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
It's a perfect album, so good album.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
They did a fantastic job that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
It was the incredible Were you watching the verses?

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
NA? I had a show at a park for the city.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Did the Pair? Was it the Pair of Square Ship?
I did a park, you did the park?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Wakin? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
I obviously the documentaries and and to me, Doctor's Advocates
my favorite game album. But I think like the sentiment
going into the battle, people just had YG fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yeah, but again, man, I hit had and I was
like there for rudewagn. I was telling everybody the whole time,
is like, bro, I was like, Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
This's gonna be, this gonna be, This's gonna be a
rough day for Chuck because y G, why G's had
If you think about his his run, he is the
party twenty ten, twenty ten, twenty eleven to twenty and
twenty six, we've gotten YG joints.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Damn here every year. He's the He's the party, ainty.
But the only person that probably could keep up with
him and the party. I mean there's some guys that
we could talk about, but I'm talking about on the
level like he's the party, like Snoop is the party.

Speaker 1 (01:22:47):
And he's but he's the party. But he's got fuck
Donald Trump and you party to that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
But I'm saying, but he's the party.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
But I mean he did he you know, he didn't
do a lot of like my joint joints. You know,
like if he would have did like really be smoking
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
But he But I just think that like he ended
up doing a I just want to party.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Yep, he did that. He did biking back being Bull, did.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Rock come out? Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Damn nah? But I was like when I saw I
think there was like a pole who was gonna win
and I think it was like eighty twenty, like games favorite.
Everybody thought. I was like, everybody, you guys really got
fucking Why G fucked up?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
That's for sure our guy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
And like the amount of records that like keep performed it,
You're like, oh my god, you forget this motherfucker's different.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
He's a he was a He's a phenomenon in itself.
He's another one of those guys that's really underrated in
the fold.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
I kept telling everybody on my stam like, bro, that
battle is gonna be way crazy, y'all. Think this little
nigga got all the party songs. Every one of his
fucking songs is like the ship like we've been part
like BBT, like then he.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Got the R and B ship with Jeremiah and her
and oh man. But no, I just thought I thought
it was I thought it was a beautiful day. I thought,
you know, Chuck made it one of the more memorable
battles because he was just hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Like definitely turned to a party.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
It was. It was so much fun to watch. But
I was I'm glad that like that national audience got
to be like, oh shit, why G damn that's motherfucker different.
Are you working on any music or anything right now?

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah, we got the whole one ten album me Joey
and Duced. We got a group called one ten album
called Custom Culture. It's in a queue. Were finishing it
up and it'll be out by the end of this year.
And then you're streaming how often Monday, Wednesday and Friday noon.
I don't know how much long it's gonna last though,
because like I just finished the Drop, like I was

(01:24:42):
telling you, and we're gonna come back for a second season.
It's gonna work. People gonna enjoy it, and we're gonna
come back for a second season. And I'm gonna be
a full time writer.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So I don't know if you're gonna have time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
So for people who don't know, the Drop is the
spinoff from Snowfall that just got announced on Effects.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yes, it's the it's the story of how the La
d Boys took their money and start trying to get
into the music business.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So it picks up after Franklin Saint's demise.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yeah, and Leon and Wanda, so ISAAA and Gil and
so you were brought in initially as a consultant.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
To essentially kind of cultural consultation.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
And ended up being a part of writing, even having
a small role in it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
So you're in episode yeah, oh fire, which is crazy.
I had a curl that's fire.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
It's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
How cool is that though, to like even like, like,
you know, we all like love watching certain TV shows,
but to kind of see the curtain peel back a little,
to kind of see how the medicines made, it's gotta
be kind of cool just on some fan ship.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Like, nah, you know what's cool to writing side, that's
what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I saw because I you know,
I didn't direct the videos produce my own videos, and
tufak One's Died was a movie in his how.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Just like when you see the writing shit, it's different.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That shit is great. It's like the first time I
ever walked in everything in my life I had to
make adjustments to That's the first thing in my life
I ever walked in and found my people. Wow, like
you know what I mean. And it's not just black folks.
It was all kind of folks in there. Like I
never felt such synergy with people as I did with
writers Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
So yeah, so that's something that you want to pursue.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I've always done it, you know, I mean in terms
of like the like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
On like an FX level, I mean on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
A Disney level on it whatever's I mean, yeah, any
any level. Like I've always been in the writing. Everybody
kind of know that about me since fourth and fifth grade,
so it was natural. But I'm grateful for Milcolm Spelman
give me, giving me the opportunity to help and contribute
ideas and just seeing promise and mail and the whole team,
the whole staff at Effects, whole staff at Sony, whole

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staff at Disney. First episodes in September, September eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
I feel like I and I'm in the first episode too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
You're in the first episode, so you were able to
screen it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
You know what we was talking about trying to do it.
Everybody been trying to convince me to do a viewing party.
I'm like, I don't know about that, but maybe it
might be cool, you know what I'm saying, Like I
think you know, it would be interesting for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Man, Well, congrats September.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
When is the September eighth?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
September eighth, So is your streaming your podcast the same
thing or they separate on separate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
The podcast is something that comes out on Tuesday or Wednesday.
It's a deeper conversation. The stream is kind of closer
to just news that I find any interest in, but
the podcast is definitely where my mind is always at.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Do you feel like because there is like an art
to the streaming and talking about your new shit, But
like being live on the internet is also like we
started doing these live music reviews and it's kind of
weird to be like, oh, I can't take nothing back
I say.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Here, were in it? Like, you know, it's funny. I've
always spoke like I had some sense.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
But it's just like to be live and like, okay,
cause you know, sometimes we'll talk about some shit here
and I'll be like, yo, makes you cut this out?
And then I'll say some shit, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
The best thing is, you know, better than most people
whatever I said off camera, I'm pretty much and if
I can't rationalize it to my mind and it don't
come out of my mouth. Are you still scared of
trans people? No? Now, finally I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
So you're not transphobic anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
No, I have no more fear of trans people at all.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
What broke that for you?

Speaker 2 (01:28:34):
You know? What I went down to YouTube deep dive,
and I've really came to the conclusion that people really
are like who they are. Well, I think more than anything.
This is gonna sound crazy, but I think part of
it is so much chemicals in the food. So many
different things can also throw that off. So there are

(01:28:55):
people that are born I think that it's some confusion
happening in their life and would different Well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
There's definitely like gendermysphoria, which is something that is a
real thing. But then there I also think there are
genuine trans people, but I think that's their points.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
And I don't really do their truth. But factually speaking, right,
people can be like that, but I don't think it's much.
I think the confusion would bother me initially, and I
don't think at this point. Do you know what, I
just stopped caring.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Yeah, it's it's it's something where it's like it doesn't
affect your life.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Well, I would whoop your ass whether you was a
man that thought you hunts all the time, and once
you enter into that space, now we just humans, I think,
because maybe at one time I wouldn't have tried to
whoop your ass. Like I don't know about this now
I'll just fuck you up just like whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Yeah, I think there was like this like concerted effort
from we're in this like weird era of like politics
during the Biden shit because Biden did such a horrible
job that like it kind of opened the door a
little for like Trump to get back in. But also
like this like crazy like narrative that like trans people

(01:30:05):
are trying to like fucking like take over the world
and like it again, not to say that there wasn't
some things you should be like hmm, you know, but
at the same time, it's like we're talking about two
percent of the population, Like there are much bigger things
to be outraged about, be mad about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
You know, I don't think I was ever upset, Like
it was a genuine you were fit. I remember you
had the commo you were like, no, I'm scared. But
but now at this point is like you know what,
you just a regular person. Yeah whatever, you don't get confusion.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
So I think whatever, float your boat to find your
loss remote that's a big.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Boiling say whatever, you know what I mean. So, but yeah,
finally I got over there. So I'm grateful. I'm glad
you asked me that. Yeah, man, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
Hey, we got fucking growth from Glasses man my dog
all right, look September eighth, watch the drop.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
He's in it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
He is a consultant writer on the show, actor an
actor and Monday, Wednesday Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
The stream is whin Ye on noon noon on Pacific
Standard time three pm on these Coals, No ceilings blastma
on YouTube page one ten album in the Chamber. There
are no the podcast, no Sillings podcasts, Apple podcasts or
please get the video together for that. I know I've
been working on it for.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Years, yeah, for like five ish y. Yeah, yeah, you've
been just working on it. Every time I see you,
I'm like, hey, man, you know, if you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Need to make something like this. But we got a
store now, so that's dope. I'll store now. Just do it, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
You could set this up at your house. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
These lights are cheap. I got some of those lights. No,
but like, fuck man, it make it so much bigger. Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
I think you hit me even for my producer information
a couple of times and they're like, yo, man, you
got your video. Guy, Yo, please get glasses right. His
ship would go crazy if he just put it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
It's fine man.

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