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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Brulet Cap Podcast, brulet Cap Show special guest.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
In here superstar Eric Bellinger in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's that? What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How you doing you too?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's been a minute, Yes, sir, happy to be back outside.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He is returned.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know, It's funny because I feel like every time
I see you, you got some new shit going on,
new situations going on.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's her What is the latest with eb Man? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So now I'm on tour, back on tour again.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
This time it's the R and B Tour Chris Brown
and Usher and I'm outside with my brothers, Mario and
Tank and we are giving the people the craziest show
I've ever seen, and I'm just happy to be a
part of that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
While also promoted my new album, So album.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Drops in less than three weeks August twenty first self
titled album, so all the things, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I feel like self titled albums in R and B
are important. You're usually always pretty damn good. Yes, I
think that's the one where his first debut Zach Kelly album.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Ye Kin just did hers. It's important, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You're letting the people know, like, Yo, this is me,
this is out of every other album, this is only
one that's going to actually bear your name. So I
took it with that type of severity as well.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think when we look back at this current tour,
it's going to be one of the greatest R and
B tours of all time, if not the greatest. Yeah yeah,
what is the atmosphere been like in these arenas?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I should say, these stadiums.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
These stadiums, Yes, sir, yes, sir. So it's the same,
you know for me, I love you got all the
sports stuff and all. When you go to that NBA
game or the NFL game, you know, you just get
to feel the gigantic you know, just the energy of everything.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's just so big.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So now it's all in the name of R and B.
We all just singing songs. You know, we love you know,
the clubs. But when it's Wednesday night R and B
Night or Friday night R and B Night, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Just a little sexy, a little special. So it's that it's.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Kumbaya, we coming together, we singing along and bro, I'm
telling you, it's every night. I'm just like, Wow, I
go out and watch the show. After I finished performing,
So I.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Went to the Breezy Bowl like a year or year
and a half ago, whenever that was. And after the show,
we're hanging out and like Chris Brown like constructs these
like after party venues inside of the football stadiums? Are
there similar vibes on this tour every night every night?
But it's like Chris and us, you're hanging like what
(02:34):
is this guy?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You just never know? Sometimes pop and pop out?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Pop in, pop out, but it's intentional, you know, every
night like the wind down, cool down? Why not listen
to some music? Why not have people vibing? So it
just turns into the extra ultra vip you know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And obviously you are a married man, But I am
curious because it feels I want to know if you
feel the same way I feel like I tend to
see the same twenty women pop up all over the
West Coast. And maybe this is just me speaking from
like an Arizona perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Asy is the same, but.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It'd be like the same, like do you ever just
be like, yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Are you on tour with us? Like why are you
always back here?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's not I seen you before a vibe?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, like I seen you.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Before that I've seen you before a vibe and just
be like, hey, they getting in how they live. I
just let people vibe and I stand like, you know
what I mean jurisdiction and yeah, but I think now
more than it ever is when you are here, when
you present, when you're outside, that equals relevance to most people.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
On Instagram one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man, you just dropped some crazy merch to the merch.
The merch line is lit, Let's go. Is that gonna
be on your tour? People can get it on the
R and B tour two.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, So right now I got it available and it's
on my website too, so people could just go online
and order it.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm gonna just keep it there.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Full clothing line you drop.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, I've always wanted to do the fashion and and
with this, it was the perfect time to announce it,
to launch it and keep it going.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, So you have kind of always been known to
be like an independent juggernaut. You've had plenty of opportunities
to do the major label thing. Obviously, you had a
lot of great years with Empire. Have one of the
more impressive catalogs that I've ever seen in music, let
alone over there, I know you dropped another album like
a one off, went back to Empire, but now you're
with Motown to explain the partnership and why it was
(04:29):
time for you to kind of like, yeah, you know,
put the machine behind what you got going on.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I had a goal to really just exhaust my
resources and energy. Yeah, and before doing anything like and
signing it over, because it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yo, I still wait, let me call this person, let
me call this person.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But at this point in my career, it was just like,
all right, you know what I mean, I've done my
due diligence and now it's time to hand it over
and get some help, you know. And with this new
really fe because I'm signed to Rodney Jerkins first, who
is Legend man, exactly Legend And Rodney is now helping
(05:09):
out with the Tamila label, who is you know, Barry
Gordy's other label that he had an addition to Motown
and now it's revamping and now it's under Motown powered
by Capitol. So I just have so many incredible people
all coming together for one cause.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I've never experienced just this support.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
This love, and this I don't know, this energy behind
the album, this anticipation, you know, because I've always been
able to handle my music.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, and you also handle a lot on your own.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but now it's like,
oh man, all cylinders is just you feel the difference?
Go yeah, I feel the difference for sure.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I see the climb and the music and it couldn't
have been at a better time, you know, with me
being on this tour to be able to spread the word,
get that QR code up there every night in front
of seventy five thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A thousand peoples in pretty wild, that's a wild number.
Are you guys able to like create backstage?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I'm sure we do. I do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is their bust dressing room sessions, studio we have?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, we have like you know, the laptop setups
that we'd be having, like yo, I just did this last.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Night in the hotel room. Ya.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just you know, everybody's everybody's still being creative.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So I think by the end.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Of this tour, I'm sure that people are gonna hear
some new music from everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Are you like trying to get everybody on your ship
or you like yosh I wrote this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Lest so you know the guys is putting the projects together,
Chris Brown and Usher, So.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I didn't know they had a joint out. They're working
on a joint album.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They're working on a joint album. So I'm just like,
I'm sure you'll have a few on there. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I'm trying to make sure I'm ready and you know,
in the cut, because I always.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Am gonna try to sharpen that pen the same way
I try to you.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Know, progress, That's my artistry. I gotta continue to do
both always.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is Chris Is it safe to say Chris is your
number one collaborator as a writer.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, I've had more than twenty songs on him.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is there anything like I feel like with Chris Man,
Like he's kind of like our MJ. You know what
I'm saying, Like I do think that I think man,
and I just don't think like he will get for
some reason, still don't get Like when he did Breeze
Ball last year, I'm like, y'all, I gotta get this
man his.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Flat like no one is doing this, yeah I know.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And then and then to follow it up with another stadium.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Tour, another stadium tour, bro I think, well, I hope
people do just give it to him because the people
that know it's like if you know, you know, But
there's just some.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
People that are just just haters, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I think we'll always have that, and that's like the
cycle and circle of life, Like you can't have one
without the other.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So I'm just like, man, they crustified Jesus. They know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Also just like one of the more just raw talented people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He can paint, paint, play.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Basketball, bro good motherfucker can whop, he could spin it,
he can wrap his ass.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
On sing dance.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Do you get inspired like watching those two guys go
back and forth? It has to be like it has
to kind of put a battery in your back.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
No, it does every single night. Man, I'm able to
pick something up.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But you ain't the dancing type of off.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Fine, I don't really like one of the dance like
when I dance now because I'm a part of his
set too, so I come out and when we're doing
a choreography it low key now has shifted my whole
idea of it because I looked at it from a
perspective of like, ah.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I gotta learn da da dad.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But once you learn the steps and you just performing it,
now it's fun, you know. But I feel like I
never got that opportunity to really execute choreography. So now
I'm like, Okay, now's the time, and I'm just loving it,
like Okay, cool, my next tour, I want to make
sure that I'm implementing that same vibe.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Would you say this is your most vulnerable body of
work so far?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
For sure? For sure?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know I'm using I got my start as like clubs,
oh for sure, ballet, ballet focused on you. So I
was always just trying to keep the people going or
if it's not the club boom right after the club
were going home, badroom music, that's Eric Bellinger. This album
is more so like all right, but.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Who are you right?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
What do you stand for? Do you have any morals
that we can stand on? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So this was the album to talk about all of
those things, from love to loss, to grief to struggles,
Like earlier when I was saying like I need some help,
talking about moving and transitioning from independency to having a
major label.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
The first song on an album's called I Need help,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I wrote my Heart on my sleeve, and man,
the response that I'm getting from.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It is totally different.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It used to just be like, man, that sounds dope.
I like the song, and people understand what I can
do rather than who I am.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was gonna say, cry in front of you. Can
you kind of break down the theme of that song
and cod why you wrote it?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So crying from the U stems really from a place,
you know how they say, like, yo, man ain't supposed
to cry and all that d D d D. But
I found a woman that made me feel safe enough
to just go on and let them out. I feel like,
if you're not weaponized, if you're not judged, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Then it's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, because you know how it is. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
In twenty twenty six, they always say you gotta be careful,
even if it's your lady, because if you guys break
up your ass out, like yo, you was crying like
a bitch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's gonna happen like that shit say all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I got so now I've like mentioned that party too,
like it gotta be somebody weaponized against you. Yeah, man, no,
I'm saying, just go baby, yeah nah don't do that.
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Speaker 2 (12:13):
Let's get back into the interview.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Why is it important for you to kind of like
show the like because you drop a record like Fatherhood,
Like like again, this is like when the EB album comes,
I know what we're gonna get this.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
This is different, This is different, this is this is
like live music. I've always wanted to do an album
like this, but I just felt it was premature, yeah,
to where music was in general. But when I seen
the response that a lot of the R and B
has been getting nowadays.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The good shit, like I think Kaylanni has Kaylannie Mariah
has shown like you could run radio yeah and just
do R and B R and B.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So it made me feel comfortable, It made me feel safe,
and I just went relentlessly and unapologetically to that nostalgia
and and created every song from scratch with real musicians,
you know, no other songwriters in the rooms, just really
me trying to hone in on my deepest thoughts. Like
when I would just sit there, normally it's like, Yo,
(13:11):
what you got? You got anything? Or Hey, what you're thinking?
You want to do some melodies? Hey you want to
do some melodies?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I just had to write the words and the verse
right off the top. I wasn't going in the I
usually maybe freestyle melodies, none of that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now you was writing.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I wrote the whole song in like on my notes,
so the producers making music, and then I'd be like,
all right, I got those song.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
How much do you attribute what Kaylani and Mariah have
been able to do at radio to kind of transforming
how we perceive R and B? Because I feel like,
you know, Tank would have a gripe three or four
years ago, so he'd be like, Yo, I'm putting out
this incredible R and B, but like.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Radio don't want it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, but now it feels like we're in a space
where like the good music is winning again.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yes, that but that's that's why I'm telling you. I've
seen it. You know, because we.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Had that that flashflow warning with money.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Long or Hours and Hours Oh yeah yeah, money Long
kind of kicked it off and then it was like
it was like wait what but it was like a
fly right.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then it was like okay.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And then she had another one with like eighteen weeks,
the joint she did with Jermaine Free and Brian Michael Cox.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That one crazy dude, and it was like, oh, she
did it again.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And the next thing, you know, Leon Thomas came with
that crazy album.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You gotta come with that year man.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That album was razzy, instrumentation, songwriting, all of it.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He represented for the Fellas when the Fellas didn't have
representation in a long time because the women been going crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Like by the way, Chris has always been a staple too,
so we got to.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
See Chris Christ's staple. I'm just right now, you know.
We just I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
This beat, this that live music, Like I think Chris
did it with Falling on his new single that he
got and it's just it gets a different response like
Silk Sonic when you hear Bruno Mars and Anderson Pack
and the music that they was doing and Lucky Day
and Victoria money and it's like people appreciate it again.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So I was like, okay, I love it this time.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I just saw that te Pain had spoke about selling
his catalog and.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was for a ridiculous amount of money because.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
He's to Pain, Yeah right, everybody can't go and say
hey can.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I Yeah, well, t Pay's like, look man, I'm like, yeah,
it's probably be a hard number to turn down. Have
you ever sold any of your catalog or would you?
And I'm sure you've been approached for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Back in the day, I did like a test trial
with like some of it, not my writing side, but
my artistry.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I got forty five albums out, so I.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Was like, let me, let me like take these and
because everybody's saying these numbers and it just don't sound real.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This is early before it was a big thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And then man was hit and I was like, oh
it did work. So I was like, all right, cool,
maybe later try again, maybe not, But back in the
day it was like a vibe and I was able
to buy a house.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Would you ever do the writing side?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Maybe I just feel like I feel like even saying yeah,
it is tough because once you spend money is gone.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I could spend money too good.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I feel like the residuals too, like people don't like
I just had this conversation with artists who's doing all
right on distro? Kid got It offered a big advance
on this catalog, and I'm like, hey man, that that
that money you're expecting every month, it ain't gonna come
in unless you put some more shit out, Like right.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You don't fuck off that bad don't fuck off the bag.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, because the monthly royalty vibe, when you're not doing
nothing in your.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Bills is paid. That's kind of priceless.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And then when you're gone, Like my grandpa was a
songwriter also an artist, and I get paid from the
music that he made when he was alive.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's crazy, you know, that's fire. And then you pass
that down to your family.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That down to the family. So to have that that
and to experience that, I want my kids to experience
that too.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, for sure, there's been this talk about artificial intelligence.
A lot of people speculating our boy Phoenix Flex's song
is AI.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm not sure he says it's.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Not we shall we shall trust him on face value,
but I do feel like in studios these days, you'd
be hard pressed to not see like even an engineer,
or like, is there a way to use artificial intelligence
in the recording process while keeping your artist credit?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Plenty ways, there's more ways not, but there's plenty ways
to use.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It as a tool. Like when people just input like
make me an R and B song. I'm not rolling, bro,
But when it's.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Like, I made this beat in two thousand and nineteen,
can you enhance it for something that sounds current today,
something that feels trapped with some gospel or hip hop answer,
that whole beat is gonna come back crazy on some
whole other things. And it's like, now, okay, I'm inspired
(18:10):
to write another song and be creative.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But that's just a way to me that is one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, you're like, your your creation is the source of
the of the whole thing. Yeah, even if you if
you're a producer, like and you want to sample something
m H like, you might as well type what you
wanted to sound like and then you could chop the
AI sample and not.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Have to worry about clearing it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And I'm not worry about giving all the money away soon.
If you want to squire if you want to choire
like I need a dry choir saying some shit.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know I've done that too. See I'll be in
there experimenting.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Know that ship.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I feel like if I was a beat maker, you
wanted to chop up some vocals, why would I chop
up some vocals?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I gotta pay motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
For thank you? All right? See, I think that's what
we got to start doing.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
And you know, instead of just saying it's AI bad
in general, because that's what most of the comments is
as opposed to you just you separated it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Or even if like you're a songwriter, you write a
record and maybe you want to dump it in and say, hey,
what would this sound like if it had a country
vibe to it?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What you wrote the song?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so what I'm saying, cut it as R and B,
you know, right, but maybe you just want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I've done that even to male the female. But what
would feel percent female vocal? What would it sound like? Male? Vote?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So it's like these things is like who's being taken
away from as far as creativity because even still I'm
the one that prompted that. And if I didn't do
it, it never would have happened. And if you want to,
you know, if it's so easy to just do it,
because I think it's not even easy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So once people try it, it's like, oh, I don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
How to do it right.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Well, I learned the tools that taught me how to
do this.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Are you? So far?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There hasn't been any features on any of these records.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You've dropped any features on the.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Album No first time, no features, no features, It's just me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I did. I think I did one album no features,
but this one is no writers.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
The last one I had called eventually, that's when it
was just me, but a whole bunch of people worked
on that. This one is like the first time is
really my thoughts mixed with just some challenging and pushing
from my closest people around me, from my management to
the producers. Because the same way I would approach other
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sessions with songwriters and get to know them and talk
to them and write them the hit of all hits,
right now, producers are getting with me to produce the
hit of all hiss because they're able to see something
in me that I can't see.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So I've been able to be produced.
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get back to the podcast. How do you look back
on an era that you were very, very prevalent in
and that's to me like the R and B slap
era of the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And Adrian Marcel to it and ink and it was
like the young California.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Way about college, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That was that was love that put me on the mat.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
But I'm like, like that was your thing, Like, yeah,
that was it, I'm telling you because especially being in
the club.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But I was making like R and B songs for clubs, right,
So now.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's like and I was at the clubs, you know
what I'm saying, like hanging like yo's up, man, can't
play my record. I really put that work in too,
So now it was like I was like, damn, that's
kind of keeping me on the.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
West Coast for a while heavily.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And then when I did my new Light album, I
made sure it was just R and B, no nineties
BPM joints. I had to intentionally stay away from it.
And my single was like what about what About Us,
which is a slow song with Seventh Streeter, and we
just really made the slower songs cause it's like, at heart,
I'm an R and B singer. I want to sing
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R and B music, but I got that big break
with the West Coast regional joints. So it just took
me some time, but slowly but surely, Like we put
enough R and B to balance put out enough R
and B to balance it out?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Would you and hit Maker ever do another one hundred hit?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Easy? We got it then got it in the can.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We got line three ready and chilling, And right now
I'm just on my R and B swag. But I
think preserving the sound of it will keep it, It'll
keep it fresh anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like I just listened to it last week and I'm
just like, what does he do?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Because I feel like with hit Maker is like he
might not necessarily like I feel like his taste is
really important as much as like what he can do
or not do on actual like producing physically. But it's
like there is a talent to bringing people together, kind
of knowing who to bringing the students, especially.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
In the day and age of like an r's not
doing the same thing that they used to do, you know,
used to bring together the producer, the session, the song.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The R useless these days, you know, I see what
my fucking eyes they bring in their little producer homies.
They got no fuck these fucking major label A and
RS for the most part, and especially the young brus
that are just like, bro, you don't know anything about music, right,
Like you found this fun like it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Right, No, but that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
A fucking twenty two year old fucking white kid A
and R trying to A and R fucking rap session sessions.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
But essentially he's your an R too. They don't really
that like we ain't making up okay, but he gave
you the song.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right, that's everything. He gave you the whole song.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
All you have to do is go in there and
recut line by line like that's everything.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Have you ever thought about A and RN for some people?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, so I have my label that I really am executing. Yeah,
over everybody. Stephen g we just dropped a new album Rang,
so I'm so hands on, like with the artist. It's like, man,
I think everything that I was doing with, you know,
songwriting for other artists, I do the same thing, like
all right, cool, let's go let me let me see
what you got so far. Okay, cool, let's have a session.
(25:34):
Let's write this Like I'm co writing sometimes featuring, you know,
linking in with my graphic designers and.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Art is Mike Sean on your label Sean too Las
Vegas Mike Sean. Yeah, I've known that dude since he
was a child. I used to do radio on Vegas
back in the day. My Sean was like the face
of Las Vegas, like him and Dizzy right.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh yeah, I know Dizzy and yeah, man, I just
I just like paying it forward.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It's like Yo, It's it's always like people that I
just think is fire. Like Yo, You're trying to drop
what's up? What you're doing? All right? Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know, anything I could do to help, and then
it just ends up more and more people have been coming,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
To work with all how many how many artists are
on All Wins.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I say, active like twelve to fifteen damn yeah, you
signing fools. Yeah, I'm just because my thing is it's
a distribution company, got it, rather than I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know. It's like, Yo, you need.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We're gonna give you a distro and you're gonna get
some direction and some some some of this off the
elbow because there's a lot of distribution companies that get
to a chunk of your music that did this isn't.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, and you just turn it, you send it in
and they and they put it out.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, we're gonna picture for you.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, exactly. None of that is promised. At least I'm
giving you. You're gonna have it hit, You're gonna have
that sprinkle, you donna have that sauce, you're gonna have
the you know, any experience that I have, I'm able
to talk to people and mentor so it's a lot
that comes with it, but it's something that I just
love to do, almost like I'm their nonprofit, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I just because people in the beginning,
(27:03):
when you're in the beginning, them roat. He's like it
starts slow, it takes a long time to actually build up.
So for me, it's like, yo, I'm really actually not
only helping, but I'm training them. And in a way
it's like damn, no one ever really even tows you
need to register on askav or B and my or
one or two and make sure you get producer agreement.
So at least I'm like I'm helping them knowledgeable too.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Do you feel like, as somebody who has such a
crazy catalog, when you drop new music, do you notice
everything else goes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Up with it.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It does like if you just drop an album like
in December Boom three, four months later you can see
an increase in everything, and each one it may be,
you know, in increments, but it's like it it reminds
people of your profile, your artist profile. And you know
Instagram ain't enough or TikTok ain't enough.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To me to translate everything to the DSPs.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
There it is and we'll listen. Eb.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
The new album's coming out August twenty.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
First, Just twenty first, August twenty.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
First, self titled, pre say, self titled the most important one.
It's gonna be the most important one of my life.
It don't get no more serious than Eric Bellinger. So
make sure y'all tap in.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Much love to boot leg and uh.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
The next shows are in New York where the Giants
play E's Mad Life med.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Lifetimeby Madlife Baby. You know what I'm saying. Next time
you see me, I'm gonna be at Mad Life back
to back with you.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
You know what I'm saying, grats man, thank you towards
looking crazy album on the way E b my dog
my fam.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
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Speaker 3 (28:32):
Gotta thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
In here superstar Eric Bellinger in the building.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's that? What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How you doing you too?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It's been a minute, Yes, sir, happy to be back outside.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He is returned.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
You know, It's funny because I feel like every time
I see you, you got some new shit going on,
new situations going on.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's her What is the latest with eb Man? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
So now I'm on tour, back on tour again.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
This time it's the R and B Tour Chris Brown
and Usher and I'm outside with my brothers, Mario and
Tank and we are giving the people the craziest show
I've ever seen, and I'm just happy to be a
part of that.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
While also promoted my new album, So album.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Drops in less than three weeks August twenty first self
titled album, so all the things, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I feel like self titled albums in R and B
are important. You're usually always pretty damn good. Yes, I
think that's the one where his first debut Zach Kelly album.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Ye Kin just did hers. It's important, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
You're letting the people know, like, Yo, this is me,
this is out of every other album, this is only
one that's going to actually bear your name. So I
took it with that type of severity as well.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I think when we look back at this current tour,
it's going to be one of the greatest R and
B tours of all time, if not the greatest. Yeah yeah,
what is the atmosphere been like in these arenas?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I should say, these stadiums.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
These stadiums, Yes, sir, yes, sir. So it's the same,
you know for me, I love you got all the
sports stuff and all. When you go to that NBA
game or the NFL game, you know, you just get
to feel the gigantic you know, just the energy of everything.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's just so big.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
So now it's all in the name of R and B.
We all just singing songs. You know, we love you know,
the clubs. But when it's Wednesday night R and B
Night or Friday night R and B Night, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Just a little sexy, a little special. So it's that it's.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Kumbaya, we coming together, we singing along and bro, I'm
telling you, it's every night. I'm just like, Wow, I
go out and watch the show. After I finished performing,
So I.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Went to the Breezy Bowl like a year or year
and a half ago, whenever that was. And after the show,
we're hanging out and like Chris Brown like constructs these
like after party venues inside of the football stadiums? Are
there similar vibes on this tour every night every night?
But it's like Chris and us, you're hanging like what
(02:34):
is this guy?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
You just never know? Sometimes pop and pop out?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Pop in, pop out, but it's intentional, you know, every
night like the wind down, cool down? Why not listen
to some music? Why not have people vibing? So it
just turns into the extra ultra vip you know.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And obviously you are a married man, But I am
curious because it feels I want to know if you
feel the same way I feel like I tend to
see the same twenty women pop up all over the
West Coast. And maybe this is just me speaking from
like an Arizona perspective.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Asy is the same, but.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
It'd be like the same, like do you ever just
be like, yo, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Are you on tour with us? Like why are you
always back here?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's not I seen you before a vibe?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, like I seen you.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Before that I've seen you before a vibe and just
be like, hey, they getting in how they live. I
just let people vibe and I stand like, you know
what I mean jurisdiction and yeah, but I think now
more than it ever is when you are here, when
you present, when you're outside, that equals relevance to most people.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
On Instagram one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man, you just dropped some crazy merch to the merch.
The merch line is lit, Let's go. Is that gonna
be on your tour? People can get it on the
R and B tour two.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Yeah, So right now I got it available and it's
on my website too, so people could just go online
and order it.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm gonna just keep it there.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Full clothing line you drop.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yeah, I've always wanted to do the fashion and and
with this, it was the perfect time to announce it,
to launch it and keep it going.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Okay, So you have kind of always been known to
be like an independent juggernaut. You've had plenty of opportunities
to do the major label thing. Obviously, you had a
lot of great years with Empire. Have one of the
more impressive catalogs that I've ever seen in music, let
alone over there, I know you dropped another album like
a one off, went back to Empire, but now you're
with Motown to explain the partnership and why it was
(04:29):
time for you to kind of like, yeah, you know,
put the machine behind what you got going on.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
So I had a goal to really just exhaust my
resources and energy. Yeah, and before doing anything like and
signing it over, because it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yo, I still wait, let me call this person, let
me call this person.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
But at this point in my career, it was just like,
all right, you know what I mean, I've done my
due diligence and now it's time to hand it over
and get some help, you know. And with this new
really fe because I'm signed to Rodney Jerkins first, who
is Legend man, exactly Legend And Rodney is now helping
(05:09):
out with the Tamila label, who is you know, Barry
Gordy's other label that he had an addition to Motown
and now it's revamping and now it's under Motown powered
by Capitol. So I just have so many incredible people
all coming together for one cause.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I've never experienced just this support.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
This love, and this I don't know, this energy behind
the album, this anticipation, you know, because I've always been
able to handle my music.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, and you also handle a lot on your own.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but now it's like,
oh man, all cylinders is just you feel the difference?
Go yeah, I feel the difference for sure.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I see the climb and the music and it couldn't
have been at a better time, you know, with me
being on this tour to be able to spread the word,
get that QR code up there every night in front
of seventy five thousand.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A thousand peoples in pretty wild, that's a wild number.
Are you guys able to like create backstage?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I'm sure we do. I do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Is their bust dressing room sessions, studio we have?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, we have like you know, the laptop setups
that we'd be having, like yo, I just did this last.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Night in the hotel room. Ya.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just you know, everybody's everybody's still being creative.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So I think by the end.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Of this tour, I'm sure that people are gonna hear
some new music from everybody.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Are you like trying to get everybody on your ship
or you like yosh I wrote this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Lest so you know the guys is putting the projects together,
Chris Brown and Usher, So.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I didn't know they had a joint out. They're working
on a joint album.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
They're working on a joint album. So I'm just like,
I'm sure you'll have a few on there. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I'm trying to make sure I'm ready and you know,
in the cut, because I always.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Am gonna try to sharpen that pen the same way
I try to you.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Know, progress, That's my artistry. I gotta continue to do
both always.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Is Chris Is it safe to say Chris is your
number one collaborator as a writer.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Yeah, I've had more than twenty songs on him.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is there anything like I feel like with Chris Man,
Like he's kind of like our MJ. You know what
I'm saying, Like I do think that I think man,
and I just don't think like he will get for
some reason, still don't get Like when he did Breeze
Ball last year, I'm like, y'all, I gotta get this
man his.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Flat like no one is doing this, yeah I know.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
And then and then to follow it up with another stadium.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Tour, another stadium tour, bro I think, well, I hope
people do just give it to him because the people
that know it's like if you know, you know, But
there's just some.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
People that are just just haters, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I think we'll always have that, and that's like the
cycle and circle of life, Like you can't have one
without the other.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
So I'm just like, man, they crustified Jesus. They know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Also just like one of the more just raw talented people.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
He can paint, paint, play.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Basketball, bro good motherfucker can whop, he could spin it,
he can wrap his ass.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
On sing dance.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Do you get inspired like watching those two guys go
back and forth? It has to be like it has
to kind of put a battery in your back.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
No, it does every single night. Man, I'm able to
pick something up.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But you ain't the dancing type of off.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Fine, I don't really like one of the dance like
when I dance now because I'm a part of his
set too, so I come out and when we're doing
a choreography it low key now has shifted my whole
idea of it because I looked at it from a
perspective of like, ah.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I gotta learn da da dad.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
But once you learn the steps and you just performing it,
now it's fun, you know. But I feel like I
never got that opportunity to really execute choreography. So now
I'm like, Okay, now's the time, and I'm just loving it,
like Okay, cool, my next tour, I want to make
sure that I'm implementing that same vibe.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Would you say this is your most vulnerable body of
work so far?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
For sure? For sure?
Speaker 4 (08:59):
You know I'm using I got my start as like clubs,
oh for sure, ballet, ballet focused on you. So I
was always just trying to keep the people going or
if it's not the club boom right after the club
were going home, badroom music, that's Eric Bellinger. This album
is more so like all right, but.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Who are you right?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
What do you stand for? Do you have any morals
that we can stand on? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
So this was the album to talk about all of
those things, from love to loss, to grief to struggles,
Like earlier when I was saying like I need some help,
talking about moving and transitioning from independency to having a
major label.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
The first song on an album's called I Need help,
you know.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
So I wrote my Heart on my sleeve, and man,
the response that I'm getting from.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
It is totally different.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
It used to just be like, man, that sounds dope.
I like the song, and people understand what I can
do rather than who I am.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I was gonna say, cry in front of you. Can
you kind of break down the theme of that song
and cod why you wrote it?
Speaker 4 (10:09):
So crying from the U stems really from a place,
you know how they say, like, yo, man ain't supposed
to cry and all that d D d D. But
I found a woman that made me feel safe enough
to just go on and let them out. I feel like,
if you're not weaponized, if you're not judged, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Then it's okay.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, because you know how it is. Man.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
In twenty twenty six, they always say you gotta be careful,
even if it's your lady, because if you guys break
up your ass out, like yo, you was crying like
a bitch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's gonna happen like that shit say all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I got so now I've like mentioned that party too,
like it gotta be somebody weaponized against you. Yeah, man, no,
I'm saying, just go baby, yeah nah don't do that.
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Let's get back into the interview.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Why is it important for you to kind of like
show the like because you drop a record like Fatherhood,
Like like again, this is like when the EB album comes,
I know what we're gonna get this.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
This is different, This is different, this is this is
like live music. I've always wanted to do an album
like this, but I just felt it was premature, yeah,
to where music was in general. But when I seen
the response that a lot of the R and B
has been getting nowadays.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
The good shit, like I think Kaylanni has Kaylannie Mariah
has shown like you could run radio yeah and just
do R and B R and B.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
So it made me feel comfortable, It made me feel safe,
and I just went relentlessly and unapologetically to that nostalgia
and and created every song from scratch with real musicians,
you know, no other songwriters in the rooms, just really
me trying to hone in on my deepest thoughts. Like
when I would just sit there, normally it's like, Yo,
(13:11):
what you got? You got anything? Or Hey, what you're thinking?
You want to do some melodies? Hey you want to
do some melodies?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I just had to write the words and the verse
right off the top. I wasn't going in the I
usually maybe freestyle melodies, none of that.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Now you was writing.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I wrote the whole song in like on my notes,
so the producers making music, and then I'd be like,
all right, I got those song.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
How much do you attribute what Kaylani and Mariah have
been able to do at radio to kind of transforming
how we perceive R and B? Because I feel like,
you know, Tank would have a gripe three or four
years ago, so he'd be like, Yo, I'm putting out
this incredible R and B, but like.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Radio don't want it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, but now it feels like we're in a space
where like the good music is winning again.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yes, that but that's that's why I'm telling you. I've
seen it. You know, because we.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Had that that flashflow warning with money.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Long or Hours and Hours Oh yeah yeah, money Long
kind of kicked it off and then it was like
it was like wait what but it was like a
fly right.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And then it was like okay.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
And then she had another one with like eighteen weeks,
the joint she did with Jermaine Free and Brian Michael Cox.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That one crazy dude, and it was like, oh, she
did it again.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
And the next thing, you know, Leon Thomas came with
that crazy album.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You gotta come with that year man.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
That album was razzy, instrumentation, songwriting, all of it.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
He represented for the Fellas when the Fellas didn't have
representation in a long time because the women been going crazy.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Like by the way, Chris has always been a staple too,
so we got to.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
See Chris Christ's staple. I'm just right now, you know.
We just I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
This beat, this that live music, Like I think Chris
did it with Falling on his new single that he
got and it's just it gets a different response like
Silk Sonic when you hear Bruno Mars and Anderson Pack
and the music that they was doing and Lucky Day
and Victoria money and it's like people appreciate it again.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
So I was like, okay, I love it this time.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I just saw that te Pain had spoke about selling
his catalog and.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was for a ridiculous amount of money because.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
He's to Pain, Yeah right, everybody can't go and say
hey can.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I Yeah, well, t Pay's like, look man, I'm like, yeah,
it's probably be a hard number to turn down. Have
you ever sold any of your catalog or would you?
And I'm sure you've been approached for sure.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Back in the day, I did like a test trial
with like some of it, not my writing side, but
my artistry.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I got forty five albums out, so I.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Was like, let me, let me like take these and
because everybody's saying these numbers and it just don't sound real.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
This is early before it was a big thing.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
And then man was hit and I was like, oh
it did work. So I was like, all right, cool,
maybe later try again, maybe not, But back in the
day it was like a vibe and I was able
to buy a house.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Would you ever do the writing side?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Maybe I just feel like I feel like even saying yeah,
it is tough because once you spend money is gone.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I could spend money too good.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I feel like the residuals too, like people don't like
I just had this conversation with artists who's doing all
right on distro? Kid got It offered a big advance
on this catalog, and I'm like, hey man, that that
that money you're expecting every month, it ain't gonna come
in unless you put some more shit out, Like right.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
You don't fuck off that bad don't fuck off the bag.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, because the monthly royalty vibe, when you're not doing
nothing in your.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Bills is paid. That's kind of priceless.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And then when you're gone, Like my grandpa was a
songwriter also an artist, and I get paid from the
music that he made when he was alive.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's crazy, you know, that's fire. And then you pass
that down to your family.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That down to the family. So to have that that
and to experience that, I want my kids to experience
that too.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, for sure, there's been this talk about artificial intelligence.
A lot of people speculating our boy Phoenix Flex's song
is AI.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I'm not sure he says it's.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Not we shall we shall trust him on face value,
but I do feel like in studios these days, you'd
be hard pressed to not see like even an engineer,
or like, is there a way to use artificial intelligence
in the recording process while keeping your artist credit?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Plenty ways, there's more ways not, but there's plenty ways
to use.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It as a tool. Like when people just input like
make me an R and B song. I'm not rolling, bro,
But when it's.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Like, I made this beat in two thousand and nineteen,
can you enhance it for something that sounds current today,
something that feels trapped with some gospel or hip hop answer,
that whole beat is gonna come back crazy on some
whole other things. And it's like, now, okay, I'm inspired
(18:10):
to write another song and be creative.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
But that's just a way to me that is one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Okay, you're like, your your creation is the source of
the of the whole thing. Yeah, even if you if
you're a producer, like and you want to sample something
m H like, you might as well type what you
wanted to sound like and then you could chop the
AI sample and not.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Have to worry about clearing it.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And I'm not worry about giving all the money away soon.
If you want to squire if you want to choire
like I need a dry choir saying some shit.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
You know I've done that too. See I'll be in
there experimenting.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Know that ship.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I feel like if I was a beat maker, you
wanted to chop up some vocals, why would I chop
up some vocals?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I gotta pay motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
For thank you? All right? See, I think that's what
we got to start doing.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
And you know, instead of just saying it's AI bad
in general, because that's what most of the comments is
as opposed to you just you separated it.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Or even if like you're a songwriter, you write a
record and maybe you want to dump it in and say, hey,
what would this sound like if it had a country
vibe to it?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Amazing?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What you wrote the song?
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so what I'm saying, cut it as R and B,
you know, right, but maybe you just want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I've done that even to male the female. But what
would feel percent female vocal? What would it sound like? Male? Vote?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So it's like these things is like who's being taken
away from as far as creativity because even still I'm
the one that prompted that. And if I didn't do
it, it never would have happened. And if you want to,
you know, if it's so easy to just do it,
because I think it's not even easy.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
So once people try it, it's like, oh, I don't
even know.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
How to do it right.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Well, I learned the tools that taught me how to
do this.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Are you? So far?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There hasn't been any features on any of these records.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You've dropped any features on the.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Album No first time, no features, no features, It's just me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I did. I think I did one album no features,
but this one is no writers.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
The last one I had called eventually, that's when it
was just me, but a whole bunch of people worked
on that. This one is like the first time is
really my thoughts mixed with just some challenging and pushing
from my closest people around me, from my management to
the producers. Because the same way I would approach other
(20:19):
sessions with songwriters and get to know them and talk
to them and write them the hit of all hits,
right now, producers are getting with me to produce the
hit of all hiss because they're able to see something
in me that I can't see.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So I've been able to be produced.
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get back to the podcast. How do you look back
on an era that you were very, very prevalent in
and that's to me like the R and B slap
era of the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And Adrian Marcel to it and ink and it was
like the young California.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Way about college, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
That was that was love that put me on the mat.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
But I'm like, like that was your thing, Like, yeah,
that was it, I'm telling you because especially being in
the club.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But I was making like R and B songs for clubs, right,
So now.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
It's like and I was at the clubs, you know
what I'm saying, like hanging like yo's up, man, can't
play my record. I really put that work in too,
So now it was like I was like, damn, that's
kind of keeping me on the.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
West Coast for a while heavily.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And then when I did my new Light album, I
made sure it was just R and B, no nineties
BPM joints. I had to intentionally stay away from it.
And my single was like what about what About Us,
which is a slow song with Seventh Streeter, and we
just really made the slower songs cause it's like, at heart,
I'm an R and B singer. I want to sing
(23:28):
R and B music, but I got that big break
with the West Coast regional joints. So it just took
me some time, but slowly but surely, Like we put
enough R and B to balance put out enough R
and B to balance it out?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Would you and hit Maker ever do another one hundred hit?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Easy? We got it then got it in the can.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We got line three ready and chilling, And right now
I'm just on my R and B swag. But I
think preserving the sound of it will keep it, It'll
keep it fresh anyway.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like I just listened to it last week and I'm
just like, what does he do?
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Because I feel like with hit Maker is like he
might not necessarily like I feel like his taste is
really important as much as like what he can do
or not do on actual like producing physically. But it's
like there is a talent to bringing people together, kind
of knowing who to bringing the students, especially.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
In the day and age of like an r's not
doing the same thing that they used to do, you know,
used to bring together the producer, the session, the song.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The R useless these days, you know, I see what
my fucking eyes they bring in their little producer homies.
They got no fuck these fucking major label A and
RS for the most part, and especially the young brus
that are just like, bro, you don't know anything about music, right,
Like you found this fun like it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Right, No, but that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
A fucking twenty two year old fucking white kid A
and R trying to A and R fucking rap session sessions.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
But essentially he's your an R too. They don't really
that like we ain't making up okay, but he gave
you the song.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Right, that's everything. He gave you the whole song.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
All you have to do is go in there and
recut line by line like that's everything.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Have you ever thought about A and RN for some people?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Yeah, so I have my label that I really am executing. Yeah,
over everybody. Stephen g we just dropped a new album Rang,
so I'm so hands on, like with the artist. It's like, man,
I think everything that I was doing with, you know,
songwriting for other artists, I do the same thing, like
all right, cool, let's go let me let me see
what you got so far. Okay, cool, let's have a session.
(25:34):
Let's write this Like I'm co writing sometimes featuring, you know,
linking in with my graphic designers and.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Art is Mike Sean on your label Sean too Las
Vegas Mike Sean. Yeah, I've known that dude since he
was a child. I used to do radio on Vegas
back in the day. My Sean was like the face
of Las Vegas, like him and Dizzy right.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Oh yeah, I know Dizzy and yeah, man, I just
I just like paying it forward.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
It's like Yo, It's it's always like people that I
just think is fire. Like Yo, You're trying to drop
what's up? What you're doing? All right? Cool?
Speaker 4 (26:06):
You know, anything I could do to help, and then
it just ends up more and more people have been coming,
you know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
To work with all how many how many artists are
on All Wins.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
I say, active like twelve to fifteen damn yeah, you
signing fools. Yeah, I'm just because my thing is it's
a distribution company, got it, rather than I'm doing it.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know. It's like, Yo, you need.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We're gonna give you a distro and you're gonna get
some direction and some some some of this off the
elbow because there's a lot of distribution companies that get
to a chunk of your music that did this isn't.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, and you just turn it, you send it in
and they and they put it out.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, we're gonna picture for you.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah, exactly. None of that is promised. At least I'm
giving you. You're gonna have it hit, You're gonna have
that sprinkle, you donna have that sauce, you're gonna have
the you know, any experience that I have, I'm able
to talk to people and mentor so it's a lot
that comes with it, but it's something that I just
love to do, almost like I'm their nonprofit, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I just because people in the beginning,
(27:03):
when you're in the beginning, them roat. He's like it
starts slow, it takes a long time to actually build up.
So for me, it's like, yo, I'm really actually not
only helping, but I'm training them. And in a way
it's like damn, no one ever really even tows you
need to register on askav or B and my or
one or two and make sure you get producer agreement.
So at least I'm like I'm helping them knowledgeable too.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Do you feel like, as somebody who has such a
crazy catalog, when you drop new music, do you notice
everything else goes.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Up with it.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
It does like if you just drop an album like
in December Boom three, four months later you can see
an increase in everything, and each one it may be,
you know, in increments, but it's like it it reminds
people of your profile, your artist profile. And you know
Instagram ain't enough or TikTok ain't enough.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
To me to translate everything to the DSPs.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
There it is and we'll listen. Eb.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
The new album's coming out August twenty.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
First, Just twenty first, August twenty.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
First, self titled, pre say, self titled the most important one.
It's gonna be the most important one of my life.
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Much love to boot leg and uh.
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Speaker 1 (28:26):
You know what I'm saying, grats man, thank you towards
looking crazy album on the way E b my dog
my fam.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yes, sir, I.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Gotta thank you.
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