#689 - Caskey on the Stigma Around White Rappers, Signing to Birdman, Yelawolf, Music Ownership & AI

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special guest in here. This guy has been scared to
come and wrap on the show for I don't know
four or five years, but he's back.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh man, dude, friend of the show, casking get a
better intro in that dude, here, what's up? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
What's going on? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
So you'll wrap one day, dude, I'm just gonna catch
me in the mood.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Man, You're like one of them ones, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Thank you, dude. I appreciate that. Yeah, I guess not though. Yeah,
it's just like I don't know. It's like being like
it's like when somebody runs into you at the airport
and they're like, rap right now, dude, you ra rap,
spin a free chow right.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Now, publicly trolling him like come on the show. So
it's not like this is unexpected. So it's not quite
like someone at the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, he texted me right before. He's like, you got
one in the clip for me, and I'm like, no, dude,
I've been singing.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
So what's been going on? So you were in LA
for years? Yeah, five years, you had relocated, you're out here,
and then you went on your tour and never came back.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
That's I guess that's yeah, that's actually happen. Yeah, that's
what happened. Yeah, I h no, I was just I
went on like a three month tour. I'd like got
I was like in a real bad breakup, toxic relationship.
I was like, I just was ready to be back
around my family and like my my real friends that
I grew up with. So yeah, I went back to
Orlando and then a year later moved to Saint Pete.

(02:06):
But I love it out there, dude, I'm not not
mad about the move.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
I was gonna say, is there anything you miss about
being in LA?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I missed the scenery, I miss how many creatives there
are here.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It's I miss like being around people that are all
chasing something like that. That part is very cool.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
But just random night you get a call, yeah, up
in a studio with whoever the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah yeah, So like that part you can't duplicate that
out here. But it's just I don't know, there's something
to be said about like being closer to the people
you grew up with, because I just realized, like I'm
gonna be chasing music for forever, and I'm like, do
I want to do that away from my family? I
don't know, Because it's this, this type of thing can
get pretty isolating, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Well, you've also carved out like like a huge core
following thing that it's like you could chase the music
thing here.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, But it's also like what you have a lot
of the people chasing the music thing here with like you.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know, yeah, I kind of like I had like a
realization where I was like, what are all the things
that are moving the needle for me? I didn't feel
like a lot of them had to do with being
in La right, Like there were some things, for sure,
but a lot of it was just random. And I
was like, eh, I could probably do this from anywhere,
and I feel like I can.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, I've see you've been doing a lot more
painting and shit.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, dude, I got like a sick art studio out
there in my own like recording spot. I like my
my local life right now. Like that's one thing that
I got in Florida that I didn't have here, is
like I love where I'm mad. I'd drive my motorcycle
to my art studio, my friend group. Like it's just
more it's not as pretentious, yeah, not as like career.

(03:45):
Like my whole day doesn't feel like career driven, you
know if that makes.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Sense, And like not every relationship because I feel like
out here you could go through an entire interaction of
an entire day of interactions with people and everybody has
like they want something off you or you want something.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I've already met, already ran into like five people in
the two days I've been out here, and every single
one of them has name dropped a big artist that
they work for. Right, It's that that part is kind
of like, which is cool. I mean, I guess everybody's
just trying to like make something happen. But I don't know.
Sometimes you're just like I don't care about that, yeah,
because I'm not. I'm not like chasing every clouded interaction.

(04:22):
You know, it's like very specific things.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Your discography is super deep, now, yeah, what is like, like,
do you know how many bodies of work you have
out officially?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Now? Twenty two?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Jesus, well what BS five was the last one?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah? I think it's like, I think it's like seventeen
or something like that on streaming platforms, but like my
early mixtapes find yeah, like twenty two and then.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But still seventeen on DSPs.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's insane, dude. Yeah, at the one hundred dollars mix,
I mean, I'm probably up toward like twenty three, twenty four.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you did one hundred dollars mixtape and it was
very successful. Yeah allegedly, Well it was a lot. How
many songs was on that I'm driving.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Twenty five each each Each time I did it was
twenty five records.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
How many times have you done it?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Twice?

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Twice?

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I want to do it again. I have a
lot of music, but I don't know. Man, the economy
is in a weird spot, like sometimes like a balance
and like being a hustler or like making money off
music is like trying trying to strike the balance of
like not making everything about money. Yeah, you know, it's like, yeah,
I don't want to hit fans over the head every time,

(05:27):
Like not that I really tried to over deliver on
those projects, like twenty five records for one hundred bucks
and nobody else gets seemed dope to me and like
they were excited. But it's just not something I want
to do every year and be like give me, yeah,
give me a bag.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
You know, are you because I feel like what you're
a lot of independent artists are fucking off is the
vinyl game because like, dude, you could do like a
five year anniversary.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah I should, I should do it.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Actually the Alchemist is making yeah, millions and millions and
millions of dollars just off of doing Like.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
How's he making millions on vinyls?

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Bro, This motherfucker will drop an instrumental album and have
a five hundred copy variant, a two hundred and fifty
copy variant, a thousand copy variant, and they sell out
on in one day.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I'm looking at like we actually were just in Nashville
at this place that masters vinyls, and I.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Got this is driving around in a fucking maybag truck.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It's paid off, all right, I'm gonna drop a vinyl dude.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Dude, but like like like you could do like the
next time you have a five.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
L actually five compilation or no.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Pay, like like if you have a ten year anniversary
or five year anniversary, like celebrating the five anniversary of
fine art or whatever. Yeah, we're gonna drop, you know,
five hundred pieces of vinyl. When they're gone, they're gone.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
I just got to see how vinyls are made, Yea,
it's insane. They carve it with this like sapphire tip
and like it's in. It's fascinating. I still don't understand
how the technology works. I watched two documentaries about it,
and solid in person. Still don't get how it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You gotta do it, man, because you own your ship.
Like obviously, I know you got distro deals, but I
think on the on the physical side, you suld be.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Able to just try and everything.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Now yeah, nice.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, I'm out of my distro, no more createments.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
What was that music, the scream music? Weren't you doing district? No?

Speaker 2 (07:13):
No, you were with that.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I get my fucking random district company.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah yeah, yeah, now yeah, I'm out. I'm out of
all that stuff. Figuring out where this next project is
gonna land.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
What obviously you are doing a singer songwriter project? Is
it fully produced by Willpower?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Fully produced by Will Power? Who's here by the way,
Yeah he's over there? And the cut? Yeah yeah. We
we actually started like when we went to make the album,
it was we just wanted to make something different. It
was going to be a rap project. I guess, like
we made three or four rap records. Yeah yeah. But
then like fourth night I was there, he like left
me this like rock instrumental and was like, you know,

(07:51):
see what you can do? And I stayed all night
working on it, and the next day I was like, look,
I either made like the worst thing I've ever made,
or this is something special and they kind of just
changed the whole trajectory of what we're working on.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So it's a full singer songwriter project.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's not a country album, but it's a
singer songwriter Well.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I mean the uh was the one I opened the Yeah,
when I opened that is the is that kind of
the vibe?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Honestly every record is pretty different. Yeah, Like when I
opens kind of like punk rocky.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
But I got like some punk rocky Yeah, I got.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Like sex rock and chill vibes and what n B
just like sexy old rock type vibes, and I got
like R and B stuff on there. It's like it's
really all over the place. Like I wouldn't say it
fits in one one vibe.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah. So I mean this is new for you though,
Like are you like you feel a little vulnerable?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, I feel nervous yeah yeah yeah, but like excited.
I mean, like I don't know, like I've always experimented
with other genres, like on multiple projects, I have like
singing records, but more than anything, I was just like excited,
like I I I could do a rap album with
my eyes. It was like even I did BS five
after we started this, and like it was effortless and

(09:05):
I had a great time doing it, but this one
was like just required more learning and trying things out
and like studying great music and like just trying to
learn to say a lot with a little you know,
right right right right now. It is a cool challenge.

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aware of the narrative.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wheah, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ye move on from hip hop to do other shit
when it's like cool to do so.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, yeah, I will say that, like I understand.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Except Jack Carlow he went blacker.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. I mean look, I will say that, like I
understand the conversation and like, if we're being real, it's
like I get the criticism of like, you know, white
people are a guest in hip hop, and like sometimes
it can feel like exploitative when somebody like you know,
comes in and makes hip hop money and then leaves
and goes and does something else. But I don't know.

(11:16):
I just hope in retrospect, I'm left out of that
conversation because I've been making hip hop my whole life,
like more than half my life. I have given my
life to this, you know. So it's like I am
in love with it, and people listen to your music,
they wouldn't be surprised to be like, oh, he's doing
something like yeah, yeah, yeah, and the whole album is
made by an amazing hip hop producer, so it's like
it is. It was an experiment and a stretch for

(11:39):
both of us, and like at no point where we like,
ooh this is gonna be thing to do. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Like we just went in and well.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
By the way, the one record that I've heard, it's
not like anything that's on radio or anything.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's just definitely yeah. It's like I know, for some
people that like aren't in the artistic space, you can
it's easy to like look at that and create that
narrative and I get it. I don't take it personal.
But like the reality was just us being in the studio, like, oh,
let's try something we've never done before, and like it
just turned into this whole other thing that I'm excited about.
But I do know that that conversation is coming. But

(12:14):
I maye bes five after I started this, So it's
like I'm not abandoning rap.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Are you still gonna like just stay independent?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I don't know. I mean I don't have any desire
to sign.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Does anybody try to like bag you out for your catalog?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah that oh yeah, catalog thing all the time. But
that's my that's my big Yeah. Yeah, Like I don't
want to give away my catalog. I don't want to
give my back catalog anything like that. I like owning
my stuff, you know, And just like random things keep
happening that I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna keep this forever.
Like I got like a floor.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Song, like yeah you did you did it by the way,
you've been killing it on social media. Thank you you
figured that out, because I feel like you kind of
didn't have it figured out.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I feel like I'm still not that good. Yeah, yeah,
my TikTok's turn it up.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
You're going like figured it out.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah, thanks dude. Yeah, I honestly this whole thing social media,
that part has been hard to learn. No. Yeah, Like
I still cringe a little bit going back and seeing
anything old I've done because I know myself and I
know I'm not like extra like even doing this, I'm
like I have some nerves, Like I'm not super comfortable
on camera. That's been something I had to, like, I
don't know, just get better at. And yeah, but yeah,

(13:23):
I feel like I'm starting to figure it out a
little bit for sure. But like I was gonna say,
like random stuff keeps happening, which is why I don't
want to get rid of my catalog. Like I had
this singer songwriter, random old record that I had done
that got synced on like a Netflix show in Europe.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like a Sweetish show expectedly.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, and I got like twenty grand that like randomly
for a placement that I that had landed years ago.
And so it's like, I don't know, I just like
owning my stuff and I don't want to. I don't know.
I want something that can feed my mom if I
die or something.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
You know, looking back at your catalog, what do you
think is your your best album obviously, don't say the
new one that's coming out.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah yeah, well yeah it's not out yet, but you know, always,
but it depends what kind of mood I'm in. I
like Final Form a lot like that one's deep and
it's it was at a really peculiar time in my life,
So I think that one means a lot to me.
Blacks Vibe. I had a great time doing. Add a
bunch of like amazing Orlando artists on that. Yeah, yeah,
click Clac fucking goat d boy moas better, like all

(14:23):
these really dope Orlando artists. Yeah, it just depends on
my vib My mood changes all the time.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yeah, I think I think you got some ship.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah. I'd say speak Speak of the Devil is my
least favorite because I was on so many so much
as annex at the time.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Jesus, do you ever look think back to your drug
errands be like what the fuck was?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Like?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Am I still here all the time?

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Well yeah, yeah, it's like I don't know. I grew
up in like a family with a lot of drug addicts,
and like you know, a lot of people I grew
up with, so I don't know, on some level, you
got a little bit of like survivors guilt and stuff
like that. But yeah, I was this young kid trying
to navigate being depressed and socially anxious and picking the

(15:07):
one career that like thrust me in front of people
makes me be a people person, you know.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
So tell me be cause I think the last time
you did the pod, uh, you didn't have your tattoo.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I think I had the face tattoo. It was the
time before that.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well if you only I think it's only your second time.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Oh wait, wait, no, no, no, I've been on here three times.
Is that true? One time that I freestyled you forget
that I did that. Then I came one more time.
I had the blue Cross body bag.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's because you brought your ridiculous baby producer.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I had the face tatto.
Then maybe not.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well you got this tattoo and it like really it
became like a trend in the tattoo community.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well what's funny is that it's a trend in like
white dudes that go to prison, because like I get
sent mugshots all the time of people with it. That's
like most of the time, how I find out people
stole it. Yeah, like a random mugshot will pop up.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, there's got to be people who have it now
that have no idea you existed.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I saw. I saw like one dude
on TikTok talking about he had this like the same
bottom jaw, and I just like came across this video
and he was like I got this because my artist
had the idea. And I was like being nosy, and
I like went and checked his artist follows me, and
I'm like, man, but it is what is it? You
don't own anything in this life?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
You know what inspired you to black out the other stuff?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I just had like bullshit on my arms, like I've
been I've been following like the blackout work stuff. These
guys in Europe were starting this like ten years ago,
like a really long before anybody in the US was
doing it. This dude, Cammi tattoos, He had like his
whole face done blackout body suit, like super cool work.
So I've been like up on it for a minute.
And then me and my brother were just like finishing

(16:46):
my bodysuit, but my arms were the only thing he
hadn't done, and I was like, so is it everything?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
What is it that is blacked out on you?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Fucking everything all the way up to my arm pit.
I'm probably gonna do my armpit shit. Hurt, hurt, like shit,
they're just digging. We're gonna try to do stuff over it,
like I've seen people do like white sleeves over it.
But we'll see.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
At what point in time is it like too much? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I never Yeah, I'm like, I'm just finishing up my
whole body now and I'm gonna just go over stuff
and do blast overs. It's just like, do.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
You miss any of the tattoos who covered up lock
now now?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Not because they all had like weird placements. Like I
was a kid in high school. I got like this
one on my arm, and then I had this shitty
kid out of his bedroom do the stuff around it,
and then I had to get it covered up, and
then everything I did was like in a weird place
because it was like working around my arms. So I
don't miss it. I actually liked this a lot more.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
For people who don't know you, what year did you
sign with Birdman and cash Money?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I want to say twenty twelve, and then I remember
you were on the Rich Gang album. I was on
the Rich Gang album. I always wondered with like flow Rider.
It is all with like fred Durson flow Rider, So yeah,
I bet you they were like.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yo, we got this white boy and I heard fred Durst.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
None of that might signed the cash Money, so let's
throw them together. None of that ship did anything. But
it's just that's a great product. It's a funny accolade
in the in retrospect.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, you would always hear like Birdman and like cash
Money would like sign artists to shitty deals. But I
feel like you've been kind of running it up as
an independent artist, like with no like.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh yeah no, I looked at yeah, yeah, I say,
I tell the story all the time. But I lucked
out with them, like bird give me two hundred grand.
Did never ask for any recruitment. They gave me a
tour bus. When I went on tour. They I just like,
wasn't making enough money for them to care. You know.
It's like it was like the snow of the product
tour or something that I went by the way, by
the way, snow the product, snow the product. If you

(18:45):
ever see this clip, I'm sorry for what a pretentious
loser I was pulling up on a tour bus that
was like not my doing. I was an Opener, and
then the label like gave me this huge tour bus,
and I felt like such a pretentious asshole because like,
if I brought an Opener on my tour and they
showed up in this like big mega bus, I would
hate that doing exactly. I looked like a dick like that.

(19:07):
So I just I hoped snow the product forgives me
because I was so douchey. But the label gave me
stuff like that, and I was like paying my label
cut for like the first like year on like shows,
but I wasn't making any money. And then eventually I
just like asked Birdman, I'm like, hey, can I like
not pay this like I'm making like a thousand bucks
a show? And he was like yeah, he gives a
fucking So I never paid them a dollar back, and

(19:28):
then they and then streaming became a thing and they
let me put my stuff on streaming, and then eventually
I just like left.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Well, I wasn't say did you ever actually put out
a mixtape or a project with with with him or
was it always not?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Like well, like bird was on Black Sheep too, he
like talked over the whole thing. He was on no Apoliy,
So like I, he was like backing stuff, but it
wasn't through cash money because at that time it was
just going on to streaming platforms, so they didn't look
at it as an official album. So like I didn't
recoup anything toward the money they gave me because I
didn't drop an official album. Yeah, you know, so it's

(20:00):
like I don't know. At the time, I was like
annoyed by it or like, you know, wish other things happened,
but I don't know, and retrospect him, like this all
worked out pretty dope for me, Like I got.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was gonna say, you have you've had a few
like viral songs and moments. What was the name of
that song you did? Well, He's Scared and open police
but martial law, martial law.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
That was the COVID anthem, the COVID.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, but you had a few of those moments where
like a song would start going, I mean, you got
the money on the floorwork. He never like picked the
phone up, be like hey.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Never, I haven't talked to him dude, probably like six
years ago or something. Yeah, I just I kind of
like faded away and.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
He deleted his tattoos. He raced him. Yeah, yeah, he
got all the Tony Braxton and it.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
You know, dude, I'll never forget. I'll never forget when
I blacked out my fingers. I like came on the
tour bus on time and my my fingers were like
freshly blacked out, and he was just like, nephew, what
the hell is that? And I was like, oh, just
black my fingers out, like it's not gonna look like
this later He's like damn, yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah,
I just like I don't know, I just kind of

(21:04):
like faded away. Like I could have still like tried
to milk that thing and like, but a lot of
it was just like foo gayzy, like if I was
just repping cash money, but they weren't really putting stuff.
I don't know. It just at some point I was like,
I'd rather take my like wins and L's on my own.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Did you ever have the chain? What the cash money chain?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
No? I just used that for cover. He gave me
some jewelry. Yeah, he gave me like a big ass
diamond necklace and some like random stuff like that. But yeah,
I just at some point I was like, man, I'd
rather take my l's personally, you know, like if something flops,
people say it's because of him, and then if something
does good, it's because of me. Like before it was
the opposite. It was like if I did something dope,

(21:43):
they'd be like, well, you signed a bird band, right,
and you know that combo got annoying?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
No, I can imagine. Talk to me, man, obviously you
and Wolf have an incredible album that you know it's
up up. That was just telling him that's my favorite
yell wolf o X amount of years. Thank you what
you putting that album out with Wolf? Like, how did
that kind of change things for you? Because I felt

(22:09):
like it kind of like it was obviously a big
CO sign because.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it was huge. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Also very successful album. And I feel like it gave
people a real shot to kind of see your creative
eye because you handled all the videos and.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah yeah, I like directed most of the videos and
then I put together all the product. Like I didn't
produce the records, but I I orchestrated. Yeah, I orchestrated
every record on there. Honestly, more than anything. Put a
bunch of money in my pocket at the time, which
was dope. Like that's what gave me the confidence to
tattoo my face. So I was like, well, whatever, at
least I'm gonna have money at this point. And like

(22:43):
I respect the hell out of him because he like
cut me in fifty percent on everything. It wasn't he
could have just been like, yeah, I'm gonna take this,
and you would have been like sure, Yeah, I would
have been like cool opportunity, but yeah, more than anything,
money and just confidence, bro, Like there's there's something that's
reaffirmed about like going to the studio and doing that
and and people do enjoy your parts and ship. Yeah

(23:05):
it was cool, man, But now but now I have
the curse of like all ever all a lot of
people want from me now is like Yellow Black Sheep
two'd be yeah, which would be sick, but you know
it's like we just it. Yeah yeah, but like dude,
we all have our own orbits. You know. It's like
Wolve's like working on we did. We took a bunch
of the records that we were gonna use for that
and like split them up. So like he took bad

(23:26):
news put it on his war story. I took a
couple of records put them on my album. So it's
like we just it wasn't like flowing the way the
first one had, and we were just like, well, if
the time comes and we do it. But it's like,
you know, it's like that that people get stuck on
one thing. You know. It's like we're both just like
two artists that have things going on, and we the

(23:47):
it has to line up in a certain way.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
You know that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I was going to say, you have a whole album
with Willpower coming out of see on it.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
I don't know yet. We did, we did some records
for it. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. We haven't
really like ended on what the final track list is.
And I'm like so picky about like just the vibe
of the record. You know, it's like it gotta make sense.
I'm not gonna put anything on.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You don't want to force anything.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, I'm not gonna put Like I have a couple
of different features I tried to get for it, and
I'm like, if it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
You know, any features make it on the album.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Not that I can say right now. You here to
promote the album, Well, the whole album. They coming out yet?
Did one singles coming out?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
What's the song come out? August twenty first?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And there's a band on on a record that I
really want to know if it's happened yet, but I
want to jinx it. Let me not jinx it. A
legendary one that's so cool. Give me a decade nineties, nineties,
early two thousands.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Really two thousands banned?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Yeah, I tell you afterwards.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Did you and fred Durs have a reunion on this album?

Speaker 2 (24:50):
No? No, I love fred Durris bro fred Durs is
cool as hell, dude, I've heard that. Yeah, he's like
very very normal.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Is there any who you feel like you could do
another joint project with, like another artist, another rapper, or
somebody who you just feel like you have that chemistry with.
There's just someone that you're just super like a big
fan of that you feel like, oh man, this would
be cool if I could ever do this.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
You don't know who he is, probably, but this dude,
Anthony Green, I would do a whole album with him
in a heartbeat, you know, I got He's a singer
of this band called Circus Survive. I love them. I
mean there's a lot of probably bands I probably could,
but I gotta meet him first. Sometimes you like people's
music and they aren't cool in person. Sometimes you don't
like somebody's music and they're the coolest person ever. Like
I don't know, I'd have to meet them and see

(25:34):
the vibe.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, yo, I wonder because you there was a point
in time where you were hanging out with Wes Watson
a lot, and he had a skit on your project.
Yeah great album by the way. Yeah, that dude is
I'm like deep into the YouTube rabbit hole of Wes
Watson in his case right now. Yeah, sick ass full.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, it's like a man, It's like I don't want
to I want to speak too much on somebody else's
shit because like, I'm not in people's life.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I feel like he was like you'd watch him online
and you'd be like, oh, I get it, and then
all of a sudden he just turned into like here's
my Bugatti.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
And all I can say is that, Like, man, it's
like I don't I want to be respectful because he
really did change my life, Like he helped me get sober.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
So serious push ups and drinking black coffee.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
He made he changed my life, like I needed the
one eighty, Like dude, he got me sober and working
out because he was just somebody like giving me hard
truths at the time.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, but like I do you need that?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Man?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And like part of growing up too is that, like
you you learn that, like with when you learn things
from people, you just got to take what works for you.
And like everybody's truth isn't entirely yours, you know. Like
I've learned that in so many interactions where it's like, oh,
I really like this thing and you think they have
all the answers, but your truth is totally different. Like
I don't know. I was like on like a super

(26:49):
workout discipline high for forever and now I'm like married
and chilling and riding my motorcycle in painting, and I'm
like a lot happier, you know, and like, so I
don't know. It's I don't know. I realize I don't
know anything.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Like it's almost like I feel like a perfect hip
hop example of what's going on is like if anyone
sees you in a photo with Diddy or found out
you went to his house, automatically, they're like what the fuck,
and it's like, hey, dude, Diddy was a lot of
people do it. It was a lot of things to
a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I had like an old song. Evan just
sent me this the other day. I had like a
song from like ten years ago or something where I
was like, I said a Diddy line of like I'm
trying to be with Diddy at like like a money line,
and then he was like this didn't age well, and
I'm like, oh my god, like no, but like, yeah,
it's so funny. If I have never been to a
Diddy party ever, A lot of.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
People have been to his house because he threw the
best parties. Now he went out here getting came on
by fucking hookers and shit in front of everybody. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I don't know. I ain't ever been in the scene, dude.
I've always been black sheep.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I never I never got invited. I'd have went, though,
I'd have been up in that bitch Like.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, I'm like grateful I was never cool enough to
be invited to any of that shit because I would
be dealing with so much backlash. Luckily, I like have
never been anywhere because I'm like, I've just been so
in my own world. All these years for.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
You, man, Like, how would you say marriages changed your life?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Oh? Man, it's grounded me like so much. Yeah, it's
it's made my life so much better, dude. Like, my
wife's my best friend. She's like really set my life
in a really dope way where my priorities are dope
and I actually enjoy being home.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Well, she's like super spiritual.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Like you know, we just opened like a whole witch
shop in golf Coort.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
When you say witch shop, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, godde I don't like the Internet's the Internet is
gonna take like everything and be upset about it. But yeah,
when people say which, like it's just anything that's like
part of a ritual, burning candles to say, intensions or
like yeah yeah, crystals and like things like that. Like

(28:54):
when people say which, they just mean women with a
spiritual practice. That's not your.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Lady do the card.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah yeah, she's been a reader for like fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Dude. Has has she ever done a card read for
you that freak out?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, she did this like way before we ever dated,
like ten years ago or something. I was the one
that told her she should do that full time because
she was giving me in my friend's readings and like
I was just like, dude, you're really gifted at this,
Like she's really intuitive and really special, and I was like,
you should do this. And it's been a dream of
hers to like have her own chop for forever and

(29:27):
we just opened it and it's killing it.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
How is it being not a maggot idiot and a
white rapper simultaneously.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Trying to be pr to I told myself I wasn't
gonna say anything that like got me and annoying. Yeah,
by the way to the piece. Yeah, just like I mean, dude,
let me just say this, Like I just have never
tied my identity to politicians. You know. That's it. So
I think a lot of people when they hear me
talk anti Trump stuff or something, they.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
They get it just like pro human shit.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. They get in their head what my
belief systems are. And like, I'm just a pro people thing.
Like I've met I live in a diverse place, I
grew up around diverse people. I've traveled the world and
met people from every religion, every walk of life, every
gender expression. Like I just love people, and so I
can't support stuff that tries to like make enemies out

(30:20):
of people. You know, I will say I respect the
hell out of you for how much you like stand
on shit and like you are very vocal, which is
like rare in this industry. And I've always been like
curious of how you navigate because this is something I'm
trying to get better at. It's like, how do you
navigate like the spaces where there are people that are
opposed the things you believe, and like you still seem

(30:42):
to hold.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Your clothes and man, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I just do me.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, I don't hear about it. I have a fucking
Free Palestine fitted hat on everywhere I go for those.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Parts, and I'm just like, yeah, cry about it and.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Say something to my face. Yeah, I'd like I'll talk
you down.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah. My thing is that, like I don't ever really know.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
But then I drive a fucking cyber truck.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I know. I saw that and I was like, Okay,
fucking Elon Musz kids dropped. You need a bumper sticker
that says got this before. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I hate how fired is. Yeah, I want to get
rid of it, but I'm like it drives me everywhere.
I don't drive anymore because I crash every car. This thing.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. For me, it's like I don't know.
I encounter so many people in this thing, and it's like,
sometimes you don't know what people's belief systems are. I
just know that I am who I am everywhere, Like
I have the same beliefs everywhere. I don't cater them
to anybody, and so a lot of times people just
don't bring the stuff up to me, or they act
like it's not what they believe. But I just I

(31:45):
don't think it's a crazy take, like just being pro humanity,
anti war, anti billionaire corporated, like that seems like a very.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Normal let's not just kill kids, huh.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, that seems like a super easy ask, you know,
and like let people be. Yeah, let's let people be
whoever the fun they want to be, Like, do you
live in the land of Gatto Blow? I'm not. I
told myself I wasn't gonna comment on anybody.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Else, Okay that anyway, Yeah, I remember other than Saint Pete.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
That well, it's gotta be weird, like when you make
your personality surrounding politicians like it has to age.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Terality is like literally the most motion you ever got
in music was because it tells you a lot about.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Your music when you don't allow yourself the freedom to
like now be like, funk what he's doing right here?
Like are you gonna support the war? And I ran
now because you know, like you know.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Weird because going into the thing, you were like, Trump's
not gonna start any new wars. That's what every gonna
take it to. And by the way, I when Trump won,
I was like, I just said, let the cards fall
where they fall, because I really thought because the other
Brothers was fucking set on fire, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that's why, like that's why you just well yeah,
and like that's why some people misinterpret like when I
say that and think I'm like a Joe Biden stand
or something like that, and it's like, no, dude, I
just I just don't. I just don't, like, yeah, I
don't wrap my identity in any of these people. And
I don't. I've never believed that a billionaire NEPO baby
was gonna be the solution for like working class people.

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This is you know, didn't sell me.

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know when this album's coming out?

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Dude? Ask Will Will? When's the damn album coming out?
I know the single comes out tomorrow tonight. Actually this
will probably be out by then, and then I got
a record called Blood Magic coming out in October and
then we're gonna see how it goes. But I mean
I've been I've been done, locked and loaded. So the
album you're part, I'm gonna come play.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah wait for him.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm gonna play a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's
cool man. I think you'll like it.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Bro, Are you are because I know you're painting and
doing a bunch of other shit, But are you like
actively just like Okay, I'm bored, let me cut a
record today.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Or what do you mean, like like yeah, oh yeah,
I make music all the time. Yeah. I have like
a studio, Like it's like a room like this that
is like my personal studio and then attached to it's
my paint studio. So I like, I'm in the studio
every day just trying stuff. But it's cool right now
because I'm in the place of like no expectation, like
I'm just cooking and I already have the thing that's

(36:03):
coming out next and you know see what becomes.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Are you selling? Like all your paintings sell?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Dude? I sold thirty paintings last month.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, dude, I feel like really blessed because I love painting, dude,
Like I I it's a great day filler because I
like I listened to a lot of music. I make
a lot of music. But it's nice having like a
creative outlet that's not tied to my career. But like, yeah,
I've been selling a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, what's the most amount of money you've gotten for
a painting?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Not to get into your five grand that's awesome. Yeah, dude, Yeah,
I didn't sell the thirty I didn't sell for that, Like.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
You gotta do, Like what's that the art basle shit?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for like I'm waiting for somebody
to come knocking.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
You get one of those they got, like do a
little like month long gallery in St. Peter.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, I think my goal by the end of the year.
I've been like working on a collection of stuff that
I haven't posted online, and my goal is to like
have some really killer pieces and do a gallery. But
I'm just trying to like pain as much as I
can't tell I feel like I'm a painter, you know,
because I do feel like a musician, and I'm like
I don't necessarily feel like a painter. I love doing it,

(37:07):
But I just know people that are incredible at that ship.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
So it's like you're selling like fucking rugs with your
art on him.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Yeah yeah, I just sold out of those. I got
like one hundred and something more coming.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
That's pretty dope.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, I should send you one. It would look good
in here.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah yeah, scary. I can't even get you to.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Wrap, so yeah, that's cool. Man one day.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
When he does Black Sheep number.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Six, Yeah, who knows. I let everybody get into a
panic that I'm like, never gonna wrap again, and then
I'll come back here.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Well, I feel like five is a nice round. Are
you end the Black Sheep series at five?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
I honestly thought I was ending it at four? Right? Yeah?
Five feels more, feels better? Yeah, but I mean maybe
who's gone past? Well? Carter? The Carter has like a bunch.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Carter five was trash though, But.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
How many did he go to? He went to like
six seven.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I'm gonna be honest, bro, you stopped the little Wayne
shit has been Oh come on, man, Wayne is a goat.
He is a goat.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
He's a goat. He Come on, bro, you gotta we
gotta put respect on people that have made great art.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
It's like Alan Iverson on the Grizzlies. It's like or
a chemologed one on the Raptor.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, but as an artist, I actually have a pet
beeve about this because as an artist, like if anyone's
ever made a record that I liked, like even one song,
I'll always just be like, this is a great artist,
even if they start to get out bad shit. I
just like whether or not I have yeah, yeah, yeah,
I feel it's just interesting. Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah I could. I could still on the greatest shit ever. Yeah,
but I'm sure I heard about it being the greatest
shit ever.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah. I thought I was gonna end on four and
then I don't know. I just started cutting records because
like I just depending on how the album feels to me.
It's like if it'll be Black Sheep or not. Like
the other albums I was working on didn't feel like
Black Sheep. This one felt like I was in that pocket.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, would you ever do anything else, like like in
the entertainment space, any acting or I feel like you get.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Dude, I would love to be typecasted, Like just make
me any type of stereotypical character. I would love to
play it. I actually moved. When I moved to La,
I was supposed to do a film with Colin Till
you know that is he's like an incredible director. He
used to direct like all the big budget Nicki Minaj
and Tiger and Lil Wayne videos. Dude's an amazing director.
And he had he was writing a script and he

(39:18):
had a character named Caski in the script, and I
was like this younger brother of this kid in prison,
and like I was like a crash out. It was
such a cool character. And so I like took lessons
and like was practicing like crazy. And I actually came
out here for that and then the budget just like
fell through on it or something and got put on
the back burner. But I would love to do something

(39:39):
like that, or like put me on Traders or something.
I would kill that too. You've never seen Traders. It's
like a it's like a reality show where they got
a lie about who's got money and shit. It's cool.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Oh oh I saw that.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would do something. I would yeah, yeah,
I would do something like that. But you know, I'm
like interested in music and art, that's my main thing.
But I would acting be super cool. I don't know
if I'd be any good at it.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
To be real, but be type cast, you just have
to play yourself.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Dude. I would love to be in like House of
Dragon as like a dragon shaman. Yeah yeah, I would
love that.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
You could be definitely in some sort of Game of
Thrown spinoff.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Dude, I would I would drop everything to do that
real quick.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yo, who's that new actor with the fucking blacked out arm?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Acting would be cool because people wouldn't feel like they
have so much insight into my personal life. You know,
like they just see this thing that I was doing
and they wouldn't make a.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Money true, Like a lot of the big actors who
are obviously like not overly exposed.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You don't have any opinion about.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
It, but all your fans they feel like they know you.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah me, or or actors most artists oh yeah, yeah,
yeah exactly yeah, which like there's cool elements of that.
But it would be nice to have a career where
like people didn't feel like they had an opinion about
me because you know, like I was thinking about this.
It's funny. When I was on the Be Real one
and I smoked weed, I was like thinking about how
weird it is that like if I wasn't in a
public facing job, the only time people would think about

(41:01):
me is when they ran into me or like look
back on a picture of me. But like when you
do interviews or you put out music and you make content,
people are encountering some version of you all the time
and like have an opinion on you, even if that changes.
Yeah you know, like yeah, like dude, I have interviews
from five years ago. I'm like my opinion changes all
the time, and like sometimes I look back on takes

(41:21):
I've had and I was like, ah, maybe that was stupid, like.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
You know, speaking of changing as humans. Since you've moved
back to Florida, have you been to the Sausage Castle?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
No, No, I have not.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'm trying to just come to I want to go
back because I ain't been back since the old one.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm like uninterested in the lifestyle, to be real. Yeah,
like I just like I haven't partied in forever. I like,
how like wholesome I feel, you know, I don't know,
I'm just like not interested in any type of party
And like I got invited to a party out here
tonight for somebody that's important, and I'm like no, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
You don't want to go through the industry shake shake thing.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Nah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yeah, what is the U because obviously you've worked with
a lot of very talented producers over the years. But
Will Power, I feel like it's just like a different
level of like he's alien, he's a beast. So what's
it like being able to work with him on the
whole project from scratch?

Speaker 2 (42:12):
It's like the most enjoyable challenge ever. Because he doesn't
approach any record. He hasn't approached one song we made
like a previous record, Like he just every time I
come in the studio, it's something so different, and like
we were spending our time listening to great old music.
Like last session I was in Nashville, I was talking
about how I didn't know a lot of Prince music,

(42:34):
like I know the hits and stuff, and Will was like, oh,
I got to play some prints, and so he played
me a bunch of prints and I'm like, let's take
a stab at making something in this direction. And so
like every record is just so different, and he like
approaches art in the same way I do, of like
trying to find something totally new, and like even when
we were like, man, let's like work on making a

(42:56):
really catchy dope record or whatever. We weren't trying to
do the Nashville industry formula of like here's the main
four chords and here's where the hook go. You know.
It's like we're just trying to be creative and like
it felt like making my first album or something.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Yeah, like just total new exploration going.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Could you see yourself getting into a spot where you
like do this songwriter thing.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Like for other people. I think I'm so selfish, Like
I don't know, like I when we were working on
this album, we had a couple sessions like with the
songwriter because I was like, let me learn something from
these guys, and like it boosted my confidence because both
the two guys and the two separate sessions were like, ah,
you don't really need this, dude, like you're a great writer,
like yeah, you got this, and so I don't. I'm

(43:40):
just like maybe at some point I will be, but
I'm not like uber interested in writing other people's stuff,
like I I maybe one day when I'm writing things
that I feel like don't fit for me, but like
music's so personal to me, you know. It's like it's
it's the same reason I won't use AI because I'm
like it's so like spiritual and cool to me, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, the AI shit is getting like hella corny, because
I can understand the idea of like if you can't
if you're a up and coming artist and you can't
afford like to clear a sample, yeah, or maybe you
want like an opera like yeah, yeah, something like that
that you can there.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Will probably be some application there right where it's like, hey,
doesn't feel weird, or or like I.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Want a dry singer, and then like if you're a producer,
you could chop that up and still make it your own,
but you're not clearing.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
I think the struggle for people is just gonna like
be figuring out actually how to be creative and still
utilize it. I just know for me, I'm uninterested, Like
I just I love working with human artists. I love
the accidents that you discover, and like it's just it's
just incredibly boring to me, Like I would rather be
in the studio with the guitarists who's not the best

(44:49):
guitarist in the world, and just see what happens. Like
that's been the enjoyable part about making music. My whole
life is like the creative process, and I don't ever
want out on dude.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
You know our boy TK, the big giant Viking.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I love him t K.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
You know he writes really good songs.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, he's amazing, But listen, this fool's put put that
ship into souno. He'll be like, no, dude, no, no, no,
where's t K. I'm gonna just shark on him road.
Oh I'm gonna call t K when we leave, and
I'll be like ever, But I wrote it like it's
not it's not. I get it, like I I'm trying

(45:26):
not to like shiot on people that use it because
I know people are just like exploring new territory and stuff,
but I'm uninterested in it. And TK is incredibly talented
without it.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
This thing is like and if you're gonna use it,
just tell people.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Well, the reason why people don't want to tell people
is because it's wildly unpopular. And then it's like, well,
then just don't use it because it is unpopular. It
is insanely unpopular, and I get.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Why, like and make all those people who use it
on their music go live next to a data center.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, facts. Well, the reason why I'm like more against
it than anything is like we could get in the
nuanced argument about like what still cost to its creativity,
and I'm like uninterested in that stuff. But for me
as an artist, it's bad for artists, Like because dude,
at some point, if if AI wasn't getting all this backlash,
at some point, every sink company would be like, we're
not giving artists money for sinc placements anyway, We're just

(46:14):
gonna make an AI generated song, suspenseful song for this
scene artists exactly. And so all these opportunities for like
artists are always struggling to figure out how to make
an honest living with music independently, and like, I want
to see independent artists make a living, and so it's
just something that I'm like, I'm against it because I
want artists to make a living. I think the world
is a better place when people make art, you know.

(46:36):
And it's like, why are we gonna, dude, make the
AI do our dishes and work at Amazon.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I don't get a song today and the artwork was
chat gpt art and I literally was like, I'm not
even listening to.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
This dude, exactly. I tell everybody. I'm like, the second
I noticed it, I'm not listening to that. I made
a whole TikTok the other day just being like, dude,
anything can be the album art. I painted the most
recent album and took a picture on my cell phone
and it's just infinitely more interesting, Like a human perspective
is more interesting. Like I'm sick of the I saw

(47:08):
somebody called the nerd Reich on on TikTok, but like
this techno billionaire tech nerds that are just trying to
ruin all our lives and like exploit everybody.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
All right, So we hopefully we'll get the album before
the beginning of the year.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Will dude, stay on will about it? I'm ready, I've
been ready.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Well you know the whole thing about will Power and
uh you feel like he's the big overthinker over there.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Oh yeah, well we're both virgos. So we've been like
butting heads about different things on the album. Yeah, because
we're both like perfectionists and a certain regards. So yeah,
there you go. So nineties band is on the album
maybe now. I haven't got confirmation from Maam. I know
they said they were.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Black Crows, who I don't know. I'm just.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I got to look into them. I discovered a bunch
of music the last three years that I never listened to,
Like I listened to a CDC for the first time.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Wow, White from Florida. That's impressive. Yeah you got through
this much life without.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah yeah, well, like I've heard the hits, but like Ship. Yeah,
I even like Black Sabbath Paranoid. I heard for the
first time three years ago, amazing album.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
What about Like you're into all kinds of you are
kind of geometric Ship on your ba well formerly on
your body. Well, I don't know what's left. Yeah you like,
were you into Tool?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
My sister was a huge Tool fan, like had Tool
posters and stuff. But I never bumped that well because
when I was in like middle school and high school,
I was into like really underground heavy metal, like this
band Zao, Norma Jean, all these like super hardcore bands. Yeah,
and so like that was the rock I was interested in.
So whenever I would hear like Tool or a CDC
or Metallica or something, I was like, this is soft rock.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Tool has a song about It's called stink Fist, and
it's about fisting someone that's and it's.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Hard, but yeah, I was like, when I was listening
to all this like old rock, I was like, I
don't know, it just kind of wasn't hitting for me.
But as I got older and like I got introduced
to led Zeppelin like a handful of years ago, and
I was like, I got really interested in that. So
that's a lot of the stuff that inspired this album
is like hearing these great albums for the first time.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's fire. New album hopefully coming sooner than later. But
the song is out now.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yes sir, And next time I'm here, I'll freestyle. Dude,
I got you.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I don't believe it. I ain't gonna lie. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I just was like, I'll disappoint him in person. I
didn't want to go it's fine.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
And it's fine, all right, go support, go stream the
and then you got it's the art online.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Or I actually am working on my art website for October.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
But you know, till then, we stocked on the merchant
all that.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yep, I've been I've been just selling art through the
DM for like two years now.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well, where can people buy a black sheet jersey or something?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Bacon withcaski dot com Bacon with Caskie. Yes, sir, they'll
bring it back next time. Can I go to your
pizza spot? How's the pizza spot? How's that? How's that?

Speaker 1 (49:53):
But it's fine.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
I was gonna say, how's having a brick and mortar store.
That's something I've been navigating, like learning about.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
It's a it's a struggle, but it's there. Yeah, yeah,
I do think it was just there a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, come get us sliced.

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