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Yo Man, Bootlet Cap Podcast special guests in here. Jane
Hancock is in the building. Welcome Oakland, Big Oakland.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, I was born in Oakland, raised in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Richmond, shot to Richmond. Who else is from Richmond? Is
that our pilows from Sue? I am Sue? Yeah, I
mean HBK Gang, one of the most underrated crews in
West Coast rap history, put Richmond on the math for
real for sure. Were you like like like going to
their shows, like they used to have, like the like
the like the Halloween Show.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I know, you know what's crazy when they were really
getting it lit. In high school, I went to Oakland
School for the Arts, so I was like being my
little artsy fartsy So so yeah, you're like, I missed.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
She's just too heify for me, Like them little young
boys is going crazy. Their shows were crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I missed all the fun.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I used to look on like my Space or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, like MySpace is wild.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But my mom would be like you don't have no
friends over there. You're not going by yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You ever miss MySpace?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
My Space was the best at all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I loved myf I wish they would bring that back.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It wasn't too toxic yet. You could, you know, do
the HTML low key. Everyone learned coding.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So we all knew how to code.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I used to looking put your profile together. Shit,
the girls that have all kind of like, you know,
bedazzled shit going on.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And literally the little glitter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, then the top eight and then you know. I
feel like the most important thing for me was always
having a like dope song from when people came to
my profile.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And you was really dope if you had the playlist.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, the playlist, Yeah, I'd be like, yo, which one
should be the first one when people come to my
I want them to know I know my shit. But yeah,
MySpace was a movie.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Love the MySpace.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So what was it like growing up in Richmond? Because
Richmond is one of those like various cities, it doesn't
get a lot of I guess love if you will. Yeah,
I always here about San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
H It was cool. I mean, I was definitely I
mean Richmond for the most part. There are nice, you
know parts in Richmond, but it was most it was
the hood. And my mom kept me really deep in
the church and like arts programs, so I was like
(03:20):
out of We were just laughing the other day she
was like, you were so nerdy because I would literally
like sign up for the little book report clubs and
stuff like that just to get new books. So that
was me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you was like doing all the extracurricular at school,
Like what kind of club do you got up?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Literally like the Richmond Powell Police program stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What is that? Just volunteering volunteering for the police.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well it was like they put it like I think
they were over it. But we would volunteer in different
little community centers. I want to I've had the homeless.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Do you remember? I don't know. I'm thirty eight. So
we had DARE.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I do remember. I wanted the Dare Essay program.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was about to say I won the national.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I didn't win the national, but I wanted it. Like
in my.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
School, I had to like go on stage and read
it saying, oh that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Did not follow not none of that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I still have. Like I was going through my
mom's storage and she still has like all the I had,
Like I don't know what the fuck they gave me,
but there's all kind I'm like, I had.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A little certificate all of that. I had to read
my little essay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And then I ended up growing
up and smoking a bunch of hella shrooms. Yeah you're
a shoemeater.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah nice.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
How often are you just like a micro doser?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm a microdoser. There was maybe one time I did
not microdos.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Things got interesting, Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yes, my best friend had to just kind of talk me.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You had a bad trip or a good trip?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't even know. I don't really know what to
call that. It was just intense.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Have you ever like taking a nice amount before going
to like a live show where you know it's going
to be trippy?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes? I had to actually sing snoop at a show
and conquered at the conquer Pavilion.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You you before you performed? You ate shrooms? Oh Jesus,
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah yeah, and I didn't. I for some reason, I
was just like, this isn't gonna not gonna be strong.
Whooped me? For real?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So how did that affect your performance or were you
all of a sudden super.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Diald in I was dialting. When I had to get
on stage, I was just like, okay, I gotta pull
it together.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I was nervous the whole time before that because I
was just like, I can't get on stage like this.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, it's crazy, Like I'll go to like I went
to a new team in Paula is going to a
team of polo concert a few weeks ago, and I
ate so much.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's the best. But but you forget you're in public.
Sometimes you do because you're just sitting in your chair
and you're so like just you're in your own head,
your own thoughts, and then you were.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Like, oh shit, like let me come back, let me go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Somebody like walked by and like was like I was like,
oh fuck, I'm in I'm at the forum right now.
I'm just fucking melting.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I love that. I love when you can be your own.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
World with it for sure, for sure. So how long
have you been did you start singing in like church
and stuff?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I was a church baby. I start singing at
like three. Yeah. I just wanted to sing a solo
because I just had a lot of energy as a child.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So what kind of molded your like, Kurt, because you're stuff.
I feel like you have like a type of R
and B that like, we don't hear a lot of
in twenty twenty five anymore. Two R and B. You
know what I'm saying, Like, what kind of motivated you
to kind of be like a traditional real like I
feel like R and B singers a damn near like
(06:49):
they got eight o eights and this damn near like
hip hop R and B fusion, Now you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I got a little bit of that too. I
think for me, I just I want to take people
on a run and on a ride. Obviously, I wanted
to get back to like my roots. I know that
with the first my debut album, I'll say because I
put out a lot of projects, but this is my
(07:15):
first studio album that I you know, just dropped, and
I wanted it to just give me the feeling of
what I listened to growing up, Like when I was little,
my mom would listened to like a lot of Faith Evans,
Kelly Price, Brownstone, Tony Braxton. And I've just been in
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that stage in my life. I think I'm at like
the age where I kind of am starting to get
their feelings and their thoughts and all of that. So
it's just like okay, like I get it, this is
where I'm at. So I wanted to show that side
of my womanhood.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah yeah, I feel like when we get older, you know,
there's like music like seventies rock shit that I used
to hate when my parents would playing, and now I'm like, yeah,
I kind of fuck with the Eagles. Yeah, like I
could put the if I am like high as funk.
I want to hear some like trippy fucking seventies no.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Facts facts I'm like listening to like Denise Williams and
the Whispers and the stuff like because you get the lyrics,
Oh do you get You're like, oh got it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So I've been in a green room with Snoop where
he's controlling the music and it is very much like
jumping into a time machine. It's a vibe. Yeah, what
was it about what you were doing that kind of
caught his attention.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
He heard a song I did call like My Weed,
and it was very soulful, but it was hip hop
too because I raped. So that's what I'm saying, Like
I'm that yeah, yeah, but I'm not bars.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You got bars.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Maybe okay, depending on the day. That's why I say, you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Know what, some weed bars Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I never called myself a rapper, but I rap for sure. Yeah,
and he heard he heard that soulful kind of vibe
of like my weed where I was singing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And rapping in So does he reach out? Who reaches out?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He reached out? He reached out and Instagram No, he so.
Raphael Sadik actually ranked this Yeah, and it was like
through a group text and he was just like, yeah,
I'm coming to see you. He came to see me, like,
okay this week record.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm like, yeah, he came to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
No, no, no, I was out here.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh you're out here?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Okay, I was out here.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Have you do you stay out here?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I stay out here now yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah. I feel like a lot of people kind of
come to LA because this is where you kind of
got to chase the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Dream, right yeah, you know yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Then it worked out for you, right.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It works out. I think honestly, I wouldn't if my work,
like literally my job is here, so if it wasn't,
I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I feel the same way. Yeah, the way they be
in my pockets with these taxes. I'm like, man, listen,
if I didn't have to be here, I would definitely
be somewhere in Nevada, Florida, Houston. But just LA is
where it's just like what we do. It's like you
kind of got that. Yeah, it's like like everyone comes
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So when you first meet Snoop, is it like because
I feel like Snoops. You know, there's so many people
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who like we grow up idolizing and like you'll meet
them when you'll come in come tech with him, and like,
you know, they always say never meet your idols, you know,
but when you meet Snoop, I feel like he just
doesn't disappoint. Like he's Snoop Dog. He's what you see
is what you He's like the most humble, like nicest
cool dude.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's literally like what you see is what you get.
He's exactly what I thought he would be for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, how like, uh, did you guys bond on any
of your musical tastes when you guys were talking, you
know what?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Kind of But it's so funny because he'd be liking
to think he know where I'm from for real. So
we started bonding on like he like, yeah, I used
to be over wom I know where that's at. And
I'm like, okay, you know okay, So yeah, we really
bonded over the bay talking about the bay.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's fire. Who's on your Bay Area? Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Hip hop for R and B.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh that's a good one because there's some let's go
R and.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
B Okay, okay, Tony Tony Tony uh in Vogue okay,
Keisha Cole of course, damn Guapola. I was gonna say,
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like between her and Letosy because let us see to
me like that was my like person I looked at
for sure, but guapola doo.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, the bass got so much mm hmm. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Did you like when you end up getting because for
people who don't know, you have a really big song
at radio right now with with Anderson? Is that the
type of record that you're you already have it's got
on open you send it to him or you guys
getting together? Like what is.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The getting together? For sure?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I feel like that's the best way. I mean, it
feels that way I wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I wanted that, you know. It was crazy because the
album was done and they were just like, you need
one more record and snoop he was like you need
that record. Buzz was like you need that record. Management
was like you.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Need but it's missing that record.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah that up tempo just yeah, so you know that
threw out, Uh you know Anderson ap and I was like,
all right, but I want to get in with him.
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I'm yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Don't want to do none of that. I want to
get in with him. And yeah we got in. I
told him the exact vibe I wanted because I thought
about it the whole like I had days to think
about what I wanted to do. And I told him,
I'm like, yo, we need something like this, and he
immediately was like.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and we did it and I did it. He's
a a genius. He is was an alien.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He is so sweet, so cool.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I remember the first time I saw him, well, now,
the first time I saw him life he was opening
up for a Earl sweatshirt in like twenty fourteen or fifteen.
But then and I saw him like headlined by himself.
He was just doing the drum and ship while rapping
the whole show, and I was like, this motherfucker is
in shape.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
He's different like that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's different. It's crazy. Is the song can't let go
about someone? Certain? Like? Is that about a person that exists?
Do they know it's about them when they hear it?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm sure?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So it is about someone?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, my whole album. That's where I get messy. You
ever want to know what's going on with me? So?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Is the album inspired by multiple people? Okay, anybody hits
you like, yo, what what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I got blocked by one because of the album. Yeah,
I'm being messy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
What was it about?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What? What? What? What? What was it? Because you know,
obviously you know, this happens a lot people. I mean,
you have to draw from real life experiences and music,
but you never hear about like what happens with the
inspirations in real life, hear the music.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He blocked me for sure. I don't think he mad
I see that you and it's me not you. It's
a couple of us. Okay, it's a couple of us.
But you know, I think he just didn't want to
keep seeing me on his you know, on algorithm. Yeah,
so I mean he probably still has to somewhat because
(16:21):
you know, maybe, but I know he blocked me for sure.
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
This love what's your What was there a song that
you were most like you kind of dove in the
most personally on this project that.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You feel like, yeah if I wanted? Yeah, yes, the
answer is.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Guest, what's the name of it? Let's listen to it.
How do I spell that?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And I are a j.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm hmmm. We're gonna break it down, and we got
a video or visualizer, which is nice. We got a
couple looking at each other fining cards or cards. You
look miserable, Brad and say school.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Than you want, looking pitiful, sitting down.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
What you want to breaking house as much she used.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
To, Oh, judge you all it down than you all
the things safe freship only know you went.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Bullship take you somethings time.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Still cat sinking back, letting them down.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You got such a dope voice.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So who inspired this song? Is it the guy who
blocked you? Oh? This is the guy who blocks you?
Was like the six or four part pretty specific?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
No, that was actually the fake part because he didn't
drive that, but yeah, he uh, just to make it
very like clear. I'm over it now for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But was the recording this mute? Because I feel like
that's gotta be a healing thing.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was. I sent it to him before. I didn't
just like startle.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Him just ahead something.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I gave him one and he was just like you
know what he always does that really kind of speechless.
He's just like, wow, okay, that's how you felt. Wow,
But I'm over it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You become a star and he's probably like fucked up?
Maybe are you pretty like a heavily evolt because I
feel like all the aesthetics whether it's the visuals, whether
it's the artwork. Everything is very very high level, very
very consistent. Are you very much like involved in all that?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I love art, I love visuals. Eventually I could
definitely see myself going off into film, and I, you know,
I just like, I don't know, maybe growing up how
I grew up, we always were just like heavily into that.
Always knew people who like did some type of like videography,
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and we always wanted to put a video to our music.
Whether it went somewhere or not, we always wanted to
just put visual you know, perspective to it.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
One hundred percent.
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I saw you did some stuff with good company. Are you.
Have you been able to hang out with the Russell at.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
On you know what I have. We've been busy. He
been busy chance here, Yeah, he'd been moving around. But
that's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, very talent. Have you been this house yet? M
h yeah, we've been to this cribbing a couple of times. Yeah,
very surreal.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I'll call them my cousins because you know, I haven't
been there in a minute, but I'm like that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
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Speaker 3 (21:48):
It was probably that Hollywood that Marriott.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Hampton in right across the street from seven eleven.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
In America Canyon yet, oh man.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
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Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm a matter of fact. Oh you were at that
one by Kings Yeah, oh you were ye oh yes,
we were in the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a
fun one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We've had a couple of I have had two very
interesting experience experiences in that parking lot. Shout out to
the boy, shouts to Valleo that as an Empire man,
I work with Empire for a little bit. We was
in Vallejo, probably more than we should have been. It
was a good time. But I was like when I
went to A Russell's house, I was like, bro, you
live here? Yeah, hell hella, fools are here?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Dog, Like, are you nervous? You know what's crazy? We
used to be cause where that is, where the pargola is,
is where my family. It's like three minutes away from
my family. So we used to walk and just talk
honestly about these days and about.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The future, like what what what?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Actually, Yeah, he used to give me a lot of advice.
We used to just talk, you know, and now we
just you know, both kind of moving around.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah. I think he's kind of changing a lot of like, uh,
you know, the idea of the possibilities of like being
an independent artist and absolutely ways to monetize your brand
that are untraditional. Absolutely what you want for a concert ticket,
no one's ever done that way.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He's killing it. He's killing and he said, he everything
he said, you know, he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What is the biggest thing you've learned from being around
Snoop so far.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Mmmm, I think I'll watch him and his leadership and
I also watch him, uh with being a leader the
human behind that, and I pay attention to that, you know.
It's yeah, he's he's he's the legendary Snoop Dogg. But
(23:46):
I'm blessed to witness sometimes the way he thinks and
in being a leader on the mic and with the
industry and just being a leader as a man. Right,
So I think I pay attention to that because I
want to be that.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, I feel like when you see Snoop, even if
you're from Afar, you know, it's like I always hear
people be like, I'm busy, I ain't got time. I'm like,
I don't know if you guys see like like Snoop
Dogg isn't.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And I tell people that you ain't because he's busy
and he hits me all he hit then he hit
is like five in the morning, five this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, it's it's actually impressive. Were you because you were
on on the last album his album, which was a
very selept on project. I actually like that album more
than I liked the Dre album. Is it a crime? What?
What are you nervous getting in with Snoop.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I used to be. Now it's like more fun.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He gets me into like a fun space, like okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You guys get high as like Giraffe Puss and the stew.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We used to, we used to. I gotta slow down
on that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm a singer.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how like because you're you small? Right,
so like is it does it affect your voice? Ever?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know it's crazy. I used to smoke, so you're not.
This is a world from your announcement. I used to smoke,
but yeah, quit. Yeah. I do weed pills and weed tea.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Your weed pills is crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They look like a little aloy you do, I don't
really do. Yeah. Yeah. Edibles are dangerous, yeah, but but
I'm very I use it like medication.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, I feel like a weed pill is more like
you know exactly what you're eating and how much if
someone gives you a chocolate piece.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I can't do that no more. It's like stone like
that for real. I don't been stoned for days.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's one thing I will never do is edibles because
I've had the worst experience. I've I've over eight shrooms
and been all right over eating edibles, you'll be cooked.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
No for real, and it's like and it can be
like lok.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't think people understand like when you eat it,
there's something about it that makes it psychoactive. Yeah, so
I've like had hallucinations. I've seen ship and I'd be like, dog,
what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No, for real? I cool it off the edibles, but
the weed pills I could do. End the tea.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you do weed tea? Nice? Yeah, that's great. So
I think breaking news Jane is no longer smoking.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yes, but I tried to hide it because people still
be giving me.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Weak When you first hanged Snoop, do you feel like
it's almost like, you know, if you were like if
you walked to the park and Michael Jordan was shooting
hoops and he was like, hey, you want to shoot
a ball with me? And I'd be like, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You know, it's crazy. He never he didn't smoke with
me in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But I'm saying, like, if Snoop's like.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And that's what happened, of course, Yeah, I smoke with
Snoop for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It'd be like if Willie Nelson handed you a joint,
you'd be like, fuck, yeah, let's go. I just want
to be able to say I smoked with you.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Absolutely yeah, him and Warrang G. I definitely was like
I'm smoking with him.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like what gee, I want to I just want to.
I want to go to Warrang G's house for like
Fourth of July and eat his barbecue.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Oh, his barbecue was so good. It was so funny.
This was like soer And this was like ten years ago.
I was out here shout out Adrian marcel I was.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
With Hey, the area fucking guy. Man, he's very talented.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, and we were working with Warrang G. And he
was like, yeah, man, I want you all to pull
up on me and my tailgate. So we think and
it's gonna be like this crazy like tailgate like some
Oakland colisem shit, and we pull up. It was like
out of elementary school.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But he's barbecuing.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It was so cute though. We were like this is lig.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, like I'm hanging out it is almost better.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It was like, okay, this is it's cool.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah. I feel like not many people in this world
are like cooler than stupid. When you hang out with orange,
be like, butro, You're just a cool motherfucker bro effortlessly, like.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You could tell why they like, you could see why
it was all cool.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
How long were you working on this album?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like a good year and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Where was there any music that didn't make the cut
that didn't fit the theme of the project? Mm hmm yeah,
Like what was like the pool of songs you were like,
how many songs were you kind of pulling from?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I didn't want it to be super long. Raphael he
was the one that was just like, hey, don't don't
have no long drawn out project. Get to the point.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So I was like, Okay, people have short attention span
these days. Yeah, and you want every song to really
like no skips.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
We was like, you know, get to the point. I'm
the gull right.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So is he also like a mentory yours? That's gotta
be awesome?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I worked with him first. I worked with him for
like over ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, because Adrian was working with him, I remember, m hm,
I feel like and I.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Wrote I wrote every song with him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
A lot of people forget like Adrian had like a
cool little mixtape run before he had that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Uh yeah, what was that song? He had?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Two Am? I was to say three AM, but he
had like some he had like a mix like a mixtape.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Era that was like some of my Like when I
look back on my career, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
About around that time Eric Beer had his mixtapes. Yep,
it was good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It was a good it was a good time.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
There was a good R and B mixtape wave coming
out of the West Coast that was pre cook like
cooking like it was a great time. Yeah. What about BJ,
the Chicago kid, I think he is one of the
most underrated, underappreciated talents him. Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
We always talk about how we're going to do a project.
We're going to do.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
One day a joint album.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, we're going to do one one day. I
think we again. We just I'll be moving around. He'd
be moving around and then life. But he was one
of the first artists when I moved here. He was
one of the first artists that just pulled up on me,
like via Instagram, like, Yo, you're dope. I want to
(30:08):
pull up like let's work and we we did you.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's hard. Shout out to him, man. Yea, besides BJ,
if you could pick anybody to do a joint.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Album with, Damn, I have to go tyl of the Creator.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, he's incredible. Did you I don't
know if you did you happen to go to Camp flog.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
No no not this year?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No so good? Yeah you know what. I came out
of Camp flog Naw realizing that Tyler the Creator is
one of the greatest performers on the planet, but the
greatest performer in music right now is Doci.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
She's killing it.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
When I watched Doci's performance, was a problem.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I would love to do music with third.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I was captivated.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
She's dope.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I was. I was so like, I couldn't I was
tripped and I was on shrooms by the way, both
but for everyone's performance as a campflog now I was.
I was on shroops. But Ship had me. I was
just like, I don't think anybody can fuck.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
With her different.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I had after the shot just be like, hey, yo,
that ship up there. She was that, she was different,
She's different. It was crazy. Yeah, but Tyler is one.
I mean I think I think we always talk about
the Big three, you know. Yeah, I'm like, Yo, Tyler's
in that there for me. I mean, this guy's got
(31:35):
his own festival.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, and just musically like I'm still an artist to
my core. So yes, he's amazing. He is talented.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I think it's like it's like when you see Chromacopeia
and Don't Tap the Glass come out in the same
twelve month period. It's like that's such a range of yeah,
high level music, but it's like artistically very different.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He can't be fucked with for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
He can't be with. Yeah, shout out to Tyler. Who
do you think should win Best Hip Hop Album at
the Grammys? We have Clips, gn X, Chroma Copia, Glowyali's album,
and j I D got like Ugly, God loves Ugly.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm gonna go Chromo Cropia because that's what got the
most play in my earphones. But all of those projects
are amazing, But I'm gonna go with Tyler. Yeah, like
he's I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I got a feeling. I don't know if anyone's beating
Kendrick ever after the gn X year, but I'm I'm like, honestly,
as long as it's clips, Tyler or Kendrick, I'm okay
with it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, and it's gonna be And g I.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
D is incredible to ja. What's your favorite song on
Chroma coopia. Man, I'll give you mind first take. I
like to take your mask off song each one. I
like to take a mask on each one of those verses.
(33:15):
Like there's like a verse about like a mom who
like settled in a marriage and have kids, and I'm like, yo,
that's fucking crazy. Like the fact he was able.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
To that's probably one of mine. Yeah, I think that
whole project to me is one like and and you know,
I love like all of the rollouts and the big
shebangs with people's stuff. But when you can have an
album that is playable from start to finish and I
don't got to touch my shit, it's you know, I
(33:49):
love those type of things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But you know, are you already working on new music
or like how often are you in I'm definitely working
on Are you always cooking?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah for the most part. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah. Are you doing a tour stuff coming up?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Tell me about the tour.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Stuff next year, I'm gonna do some tour stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Are you gonna be going out with someone you're gonna
be headlining or what? Figuring it out?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm figuring it out, but for sure, I'm talking about
my own headline tour. But I would love to go
on with somebody as well.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, what is the coolest thing about being signed to
death Row Records in twenty twenty five? Because I feel
like Snoop's quietly putting together this awesome roster of an
amazing R and B. You know what I mean That
there's like very when we think of death Row back
in the day, we wouldn't think of like, yeah, some
of these I think the biggest artists on death Row
(34:47):
or R and B. You know.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, I think it's just dope to be a part of, uh,
something that was just such a staple right in music
period and to be able to like keep that going
and hold that responsibility to really keep it going. I'm
(35:08):
excited for what I do next.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
It might be this, it might not.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You might be acting directing, Yeah, I might be tour
on the way.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
New album is out, go support it. Song is going crazy?
Thank you with Anderson videos out. I'm sure you got
more videos coming.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yes, yeah, absolutely. I have a lot of visualizers out
for that. I have a song a visualizer for each
song on the album.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Just because you have a visualized does that mean you
want to do a full video?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I did some full videos. I did one for Stingy,
I did one for Can't Let Go. Yeah, we'll see
what we do next.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
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Yo Man, Bootlet Cap Podcast special guests in here. Jane
Hancock is in the building. Welcome Oakland, Big Oakland.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Yeah, I was born in Oakland, raised in.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Richmond, shot to Richmond. Who else is from Richmond? Is
that our pilows from Sue? I am Sue? Yeah, I
mean HBK Gang, one of the most underrated crews in
West Coast rap history, put Richmond on the math for
real for sure. Were you like like like going to
their shows, like they used to have, like the like
the like the Halloween Show.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I know, you know what's crazy when they were really
getting it lit. In high school, I went to Oakland
School for the Arts, so I was like being my
little artsy fartsy So so yeah, you're like, I missed.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
She's just too heify for me, Like them little young
boys is going crazy. Their shows were crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I missed all the fun.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I used to look on like my Space or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, like MySpace is wild.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
But my mom would be like you don't have no
friends over there. You're not going by yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You ever miss MySpace?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
My Space was the best at all of them.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I loved myf I wish they would bring that back.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It wasn't too toxic yet. You could, you know, do
the HTML low key. Everyone learned coding.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
So we all knew how to code.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And I used to looking put your profile together. Shit,
the girls that have all kind of like, you know,
bedazzled shit going on.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
And literally the little glitter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Yeah, then the top eight and then you know. I
feel like the most important thing for me was always
having a like dope song from when people came to
my profile.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And you was really dope if you had the playlist.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, the playlist, Yeah, I'd be like, yo, which one
should be the first one when people come to my
I want them to know I know my shit. But yeah,
MySpace was a movie.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Love the MySpace.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
So what was it like growing up in Richmond? Because
Richmond is one of those like various cities, it doesn't
get a lot of I guess love if you will. Yeah,
I always here about San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
H It was cool. I mean, I was definitely I
mean Richmond for the most part. There are nice, you
know parts in Richmond, but it was most it was
the hood. And my mom kept me really deep in
the church and like arts programs, so I was like
(03:20):
out of We were just laughing the other day she
was like, you were so nerdy because I would literally
like sign up for the little book report clubs and
stuff like that just to get new books. So that
was me.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you was like doing all the extracurricular at school,
Like what kind of club do you got up?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Literally like the Richmond Powell Police program stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What is that? Just volunteering volunteering for the police.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Well it was like they put it like I think
they were over it. But we would volunteer in different
little community centers. I want to I've had the homeless.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Do you remember? I don't know. I'm thirty eight. So
we had DARE.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I do remember. I wanted the Dare Essay program.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was about to say I won the national.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
I didn't win the national, but I wanted it. Like
in my.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
School, I had to like go on stage and read
it saying, oh that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Did not follow not none of that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I still have. Like I was going through my
mom's storage and she still has like all the I had,
Like I don't know what the fuck they gave me,
but there's all kind I'm like, I had.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
A little certificate all of that. I had to read
my little essay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And then I ended up growing
up and smoking a bunch of hella shrooms. Yeah you're
a shoemeater.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah nice.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
How often are you just like a micro doser?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I'm a microdoser. There was maybe one time I did
not microdos.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Things got interesting, Yes.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yes, my best friend had to just kind of talk me.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You had a bad trip or a good trip?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I don't even know. I don't really know what to
call that. It was just intense.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Have you ever like taking a nice amount before going
to like a live show where you know it's going
to be trippy?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yes? I had to actually sing snoop at a show
and conquered at the conquer Pavilion.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
You you before you performed? You ate shrooms? Oh Jesus,
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah yeah, and I didn't. I for some reason, I
was just like, this isn't gonna not gonna be strong.
Whooped me? For real?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So how did that affect your performance or were you
all of a sudden super.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Diald in I was dialting. When I had to get
on stage, I was just like, okay, I gotta pull
it together.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I was nervous the whole time before that because I
was just like, I can't get on stage like this.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, it's crazy, Like I'll go to like I went
to a new team in Paula is going to a
team of polo concert a few weeks ago, and I
ate so much.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
It's fun.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It's the best. But but you forget you're in public.
Sometimes you do because you're just sitting in your chair
and you're so like just you're in your own head,
your own thoughts, and then you were.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Like, oh shit, like let me come back, let me go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Somebody like walked by and like was like I was like,
oh fuck, I'm in I'm at the forum right now.
I'm just fucking melting.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I love that. I love when you can be your own.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
World with it for sure, for sure. So how long
have you been did you start singing in like church
and stuff?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, I was a church baby. I start singing at
like three. Yeah. I just wanted to sing a solo
because I just had a lot of energy as a child.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So what kind of molded your like, Kurt, because you're stuff.
I feel like you have like a type of R
and B that like, we don't hear a lot of
in twenty twenty five anymore. Two R and B. You
know what I'm saying, Like, what kind of motivated you
to kind of be like a traditional real like I
feel like R and B singers a damn near like
(06:49):
they got eight o eights and this damn near like
hip hop R and B fusion, Now you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah, I got a little bit of that too. I
think for me, I just I want to take people
on a run and on a ride. Obviously, I wanted
to get back to like my roots. I know that
with the first my debut album, I'll say because I
put out a lot of projects, but this is my
(07:15):
first studio album that I you know, just dropped, and
I wanted it to just give me the feeling of
what I listened to growing up, Like when I was little,
my mom would listened to like a lot of Faith Evans,
Kelly Price, Brownstone, Tony Braxton. And I've just been in
(07:36):
that stage in my life. I think I'm at like
the age where I kind of am starting to get
their feelings and their thoughts and all of that. So
it's just like okay, like I get it, this is
where I'm at. So I wanted to show that side
of my womanhood.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah yeah, I feel like when we get older, you know,
there's like music like seventies rock shit that I used
to hate when my parents would playing, and now I'm like, yeah,
I kind of fuck with the Eagles. Yeah, like I
could put the if I am like high as funk.
I want to hear some like trippy fucking seventies no.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Facts facts I'm like listening to like Denise Williams and
the Whispers and the stuff like because you get the lyrics,
Oh do you get You're like, oh got it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So I've been in a green room with Snoop where
he's controlling the music and it is very much like
jumping into a time machine. It's a vibe. Yeah, what
was it about what you were doing that kind of
caught his attention.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
He heard a song I did call like My Weed,
and it was very soulful, but it was hip hop
too because I raped. So that's what I'm saying, Like
I'm that yeah, yeah, but I'm not bars.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
You got bars.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Maybe okay, depending on the day. That's why I say, you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Know what, some weed bars Yep.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I never called myself a rapper, but I rap for sure. Yeah,
and he heard he heard that soulful kind of vibe
of like my weed where I was singing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And rapping in So does he reach out? Who reaches out?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He reached out? He reached out and Instagram No, he so.
Raphael Sadik actually ranked this Yeah, and it was like
through a group text and he was just like, yeah,
I'm coming to see you. He came to see me, like,
okay this week record.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'm like, yeah, he came to the Bay.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
No, no, no, I was out here.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Oh you're out here?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Okay, I was out here.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Have you do you stay out here?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I stay out here now yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah. I feel like a lot of people kind of
come to LA because this is where you kind of
got to chase the.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Dream, right yeah, you know yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Then it worked out for you, right.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It works out. I think honestly, I wouldn't if my work,
like literally my job is here, so if it wasn't,
I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I feel the same way. Yeah, the way they be
in my pockets with these taxes. I'm like, man, listen,
if I didn't have to be here, I would definitely
be somewhere in Nevada, Florida, Houston. But just LA is
where it's just like what we do. It's like you
kind of got that. Yeah, it's like like everyone comes
(10:13):
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So when you first meet Snoop, is it like because
I feel like Snoops. You know, there's so many people
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who like we grow up idolizing and like you'll meet
them when you'll come in come tech with him, and like,
you know, they always say never meet your idols, you know,
but when you meet Snoop, I feel like he just
doesn't disappoint. Like he's Snoop Dog. He's what you see
is what you He's like the most humble, like nicest
cool dude.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
He's literally like what you see is what you get.
He's exactly what I thought he would be for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah, how like, uh, did you guys bond on any
of your musical tastes when you guys were talking, you
know what?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Kind of But it's so funny because he'd be liking
to think he know where I'm from for real. So
we started bonding on like he like, yeah, I used
to be over wom I know where that's at. And
I'm like, okay, you know okay, So yeah, we really
bonded over the bay talking about the bay.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
That's fire. Who's on your Bay Area? Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Hip hop for R and B.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Oh that's a good one because there's some let's go
R and.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
B Okay, okay, Tony Tony Tony uh in Vogue okay,
Keisha Cole of course, damn Guapola. I was gonna say,
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like between her and Letosy because let us see to
me like that was my like person I looked at
for sure, but guapola doo.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, the bass got so much mm hmm. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Did you like when you end up getting because for
people who don't know, you have a really big song
at radio right now with with Anderson? Is that the
type of record that you're you already have it's got
on open you send it to him or you guys
getting together? Like what is.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
The getting together? For sure?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I feel like that's the best way. I mean, it
feels that way I wanted.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I wanted that, you know. It was crazy because the
album was done and they were just like, you need
one more record and snoop he was like you need
that record. Buzz was like you need that record. Management
was like you.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Need but it's missing that record.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah that up tempo just yeah, so you know that
threw out, Uh you know Anderson ap and I was like,
all right, but I want to get in with him.
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I'm yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Don't want to do none of that. I want to
get in with him. And yeah we got in. I
told him the exact vibe I wanted because I thought
about it the whole like I had days to think
about what I wanted to do. And I told him,
I'm like, yo, we need something like this, and he
immediately was like.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and we did it and I did it. He's
a a genius. He is was an alien.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
He is so sweet, so cool.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I remember the first time I saw him, well, now,
the first time I saw him life he was opening
up for a Earl sweatshirt in like twenty fourteen or fifteen.
But then and I saw him like headlined by himself.
He was just doing the drum and ship while rapping
the whole show, and I was like, this motherfucker is
in shape.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
He's different like that.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It's different. It's crazy. Is the song can't let go
about someone? Certain? Like? Is that about a person that exists?
Do they know it's about them when they hear it?
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm sure?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
So it is about someone?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, my whole album. That's where I get messy. You
ever want to know what's going on with me? So?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Is the album inspired by multiple people? Okay, anybody hits
you like, yo, what what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
I got blocked by one because of the album. Yeah,
I'm being messy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
What was it about?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Like?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What? What? What? What? What was it? Because you know,
obviously you know, this happens a lot people. I mean,
you have to draw from real life experiences and music,
but you never hear about like what happens with the
inspirations in real life, hear the music.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
He blocked me for sure. I don't think he mad
I see that you and it's me not you. It's
a couple of us. Okay, it's a couple of us.
But you know, I think he just didn't want to
keep seeing me on his you know, on algorithm. Yeah,
so I mean he probably still has to somewhat because
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you know, maybe, but I know he blocked me for sure.
But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
This love what's your What was there a song that
you were most like you kind of dove in the
most personally on this project that.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
You feel like, yeah if I wanted? Yeah, yes, the
answer is.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Guest, what's the name of it? Let's listen to it.
How do I spell that?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
And I are a j.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm hmmm. We're gonna break it down, and we got
a video or visualizer, which is nice. We got a
couple looking at each other fining cards or cards. You
look miserable, Brad and say school.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Than you want, looking pitiful, sitting down.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
What you want to breaking house as much she used.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
To, Oh, judge you all it down than you all
the things safe freship only know you went.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Bullship take you somethings time.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Still cat sinking back, letting them down.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You got such a dope voice.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
So who inspired this song? Is it the guy who
blocked you? Oh? This is the guy who blocks you?
Was like the six or four part pretty specific?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
No, that was actually the fake part because he didn't
drive that, but yeah, he uh, just to make it
very like clear. I'm over it now for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
But was the recording this mute? Because I feel like
that's gotta be a healing thing.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was. I sent it to him before. I didn't
just like startle.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Him just ahead something.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I gave him one and he was just like you
know what he always does that really kind of speechless.
He's just like, wow, okay, that's how you felt. Wow,
But I'm over it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You become a star and he's probably like fucked up?
Maybe are you pretty like a heavily evolt because I
feel like all the aesthetics whether it's the visuals, whether
it's the artwork. Everything is very very high level, very
very consistent. Are you very much like involved in all that?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I love art, I love visuals. Eventually I could
definitely see myself going off into film, and I, you know,
I just like, I don't know, maybe growing up how
I grew up, we always were just like heavily into that.
Always knew people who like did some type of like videography,
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and we always wanted to put a video to our music.
Whether it went somewhere or not, we always wanted to
just put visual you know, perspective to it.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
One hundred percent.
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I saw you did some stuff with good company. Are you.
Have you been able to hang out with the Russell at.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
On you know what I have. We've been busy. He
been busy chance here, Yeah, he'd been moving around. But
that's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, very talent. Have you been this house yet? M
h yeah, we've been to this cribbing a couple of times. Yeah,
very surreal.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
I'll call them my cousins because you know, I haven't
been there in a minute, but I'm like that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
A few years ago, we got a hotel uh huh
right near the Crest yep, you know there's.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It was probably that Hollywood that Marriott.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Hampton in right across the street from seven eleven.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
In America Canyon yet, oh man.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, but it's it's it was cool because but.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I'm a matter of fact. Oh you were at that
one by Kings Yeah, oh you were ye oh yes,
we were in the yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a
fun one.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
We've had a couple of I have had two very
interesting experience experiences in that parking lot. Shout out to
the boy, shouts to Valleo that as an Empire man,
I work with Empire for a little bit. We was
in Vallejo, probably more than we should have been. It
was a good time. But I was like when I
went to A Russell's house, I was like, bro, you
live here? Yeah, hell hella, fools are here?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Dog, Like, are you nervous? You know what's crazy? We
used to be cause where that is, where the pargola is,
is where my family. It's like three minutes away from
my family. So we used to walk and just talk
honestly about these days and about.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The future, like what what what?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Actually, Yeah, he used to give me a lot of advice.
We used to just talk, you know, and now we
just you know, both kind of moving around.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah. I think he's kind of changing a lot of like, uh,
you know, the idea of the possibilities of like being
an independent artist and absolutely ways to monetize your brand
that are untraditional. Absolutely what you want for a concert ticket,
no one's ever done that way.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
He's killing it. He's killing and he said, he everything
he said, you know, he's doing.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
What is the biggest thing you've learned from being around
Snoop so far.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Mmmm, I think I'll watch him and his leadership and
I also watch him, uh with being a leader the
human behind that, and I pay attention to that, you know.
It's yeah, he's he's he's the legendary Snoop Dogg. But
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I'm blessed to witness sometimes the way he thinks and
in being a leader on the mic and with the
industry and just being a leader as a man. Right,
So I think I pay attention to that because I
want to be that.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah, I feel like when you see Snoop, even if
you're from Afar, you know, it's like I always hear
people be like, I'm busy, I ain't got time. I'm like,
I don't know if you guys see like like Snoop
Dogg isn't.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And I tell people that you ain't because he's busy
and he hits me all he hit then he hit
is like five in the morning, five this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, it's it's actually impressive. Were you because you were
on on the last album his album, which was a
very selept on project. I actually like that album more
than I liked the Dre album. Is it a crime? What?
What are you nervous getting in with Snoop.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I used to be. Now it's like more fun.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
He gets me into like a fun space, like okay, cool.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
You guys get high as like Giraffe Puss and the stew.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
We used to, we used to. I gotta slow down
on that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yah.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
I'm a singer.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I was gonna say, how like because you're you small? Right,
so like is it does it affect your voice? Ever?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You know it's crazy. I used to smoke, so you're not.
This is a world from your announcement. I used to smoke,
but yeah, quit. Yeah. I do weed pills and weed tea.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Your weed pills is crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
They look like a little aloy you do, I don't
really do. Yeah. Yeah. Edibles are dangerous, yeah, but but
I'm very I use it like medication.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, I feel like a weed pill is more like
you know exactly what you're eating and how much if
someone gives you a chocolate piece.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I can't do that no more. It's like stone like
that for real. I don't been stoned for days.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
That's one thing I will never do is edibles because
I've had the worst experience. I've I've over eight shrooms
and been all right over eating edibles, you'll be cooked.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
No for real, and it's like and it can be
like lok.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I don't think people understand like when you eat it,
there's something about it that makes it psychoactive. Yeah, so
I've like had hallucinations. I've seen ship and I'd be like, dog,
what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (26:13):
No, for real? I cool it off the edibles, but
the weed pills I could do. End the tea.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So you do weed tea? Nice? Yeah, that's great. So
I think breaking news Jane is no longer smoking.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yes, but I tried to hide it because people still
be giving me.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Weak When you first hanged Snoop, do you feel like
it's almost like, you know, if you were like if
you walked to the park and Michael Jordan was shooting
hoops and he was like, hey, you want to shoot
a ball with me? And I'd be like, of course.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
You know, it's crazy. He never he didn't smoke with
me in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
But I'm saying, like, if Snoop's like.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
And that's what happened, of course, Yeah, I smoke with
Snoop for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It'd be like if Willie Nelson handed you a joint,
you'd be like, fuck, yeah, let's go. I just want
to be able to say I smoked with you.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Absolutely yeah, him and Warrang G. I definitely was like
I'm smoking with him.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Like what gee, I want to I just want to.
I want to go to Warrang G's house for like
Fourth of July and eat his barbecue.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Oh, his barbecue was so good. It was so funny.
This was like soer And this was like ten years ago.
I was out here shout out Adrian marcel I was.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
With Hey, the area fucking guy. Man, he's very talented.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, and we were working with Warrang G. And he
was like, yeah, man, I want you all to pull
up on me and my tailgate. So we think and
it's gonna be like this crazy like tailgate like some
Oakland colisem shit, and we pull up. It was like
out of elementary school.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
But he's barbecuing.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
It was so cute though. We were like this is lig.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, like I'm hanging out it is almost better.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It was like, okay, this is it's cool.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah. I feel like not many people in this world
are like cooler than stupid. When you hang out with orange,
be like, butro, You're just a cool motherfucker bro effortlessly, like.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You could tell why they like, you could see why
it was all cool.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
How long were you working on this album?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Like a good year and a half.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Where was there any music that didn't make the cut
that didn't fit the theme of the project? Mm hmm yeah,
Like what was like the pool of songs you were like,
how many songs were you kind of pulling from?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I didn't want it to be super long. Raphael he
was the one that was just like, hey, don't don't
have no long drawn out project. Get to the point.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So I was like, Okay, people have short attention span
these days. Yeah, and you want every song to really
like no skips.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
We was like, you know, get to the point. I'm
the gull right.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So is he also like a mentory yours? That's gotta
be awesome?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I worked with him first. I worked with him for
like over ten years.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, because Adrian was working with him, I remember, m hm,
I feel like and I.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Wrote I wrote every song with him.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
A lot of people forget like Adrian had like a
cool little mixtape run before he had that.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Uh yeah, what was that song? He had?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Two Am? I was to say three AM, but he
had like some he had like a mix like a mixtape.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Era that was like some of my Like when I
look back on my career, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
About around that time Eric Beer had his mixtapes. Yep,
it was good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It was a good it was a good time.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
There was a good R and B mixtape wave coming
out of the West Coast that was pre cook like
cooking like it was a great time. Yeah. What about BJ,
the Chicago kid, I think he is one of the
most underrated, underappreciated talents him. Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
We always talk about how we're going to do a project.
We're going to do.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
One day a joint album.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, we're going to do one one day. I
think we again. We just I'll be moving around. He'd
be moving around and then life. But he was one
of the first artists when I moved here. He was
one of the first artists that just pulled up on me,
like via Instagram, like, Yo, you're dope. I want to
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pull up like let's work and we we did you.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
That's hard. Shout out to him, man. Yea, besides BJ,
if you could pick anybody to do a joint.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Album with, Damn, I have to go tyl of the Creator.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, he's incredible. Did you I don't
know if you did you happen to go to Camp flog.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
No no not this year?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
No so good? Yeah you know what. I came out
of Camp flog Naw realizing that Tyler the Creator is
one of the greatest performers on the planet, but the
greatest performer in music right now is Doci.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
She's killing it.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
When I watched Doci's performance, was a problem.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
I would love to do music with third.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I was captivated.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
She's dope.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I was. I was so like, I couldn't I was
tripped and I was on shrooms by the way, both
but for everyone's performance as a campflog now I was.
I was on shroops. But Ship had me. I was
just like, I don't think anybody can fuck.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
With her different.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I had after the shot just be like, hey, yo,
that ship up there. She was that, she was different,
She's different. It was crazy. Yeah, but Tyler is one.
I mean I think I think we always talk about
the Big three, you know. Yeah, I'm like, Yo, Tyler's
in that there for me. I mean, this guy's got
(31:35):
his own festival.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Yeah, and just musically like I'm still an artist to
my core. So yes, he's amazing. He is talented.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I think it's like it's like when you see Chromacopeia
and Don't Tap the Glass come out in the same
twelve month period. It's like that's such a range of yeah,
high level music, but it's like artistically very different.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
He can't be fucked with for sure.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
He can't be with. Yeah, shout out to Tyler. Who
do you think should win Best Hip Hop Album at
the Grammys? We have Clips, gn X, Chroma Copia, Glowyali's album,
and j I D got like Ugly, God loves Ugly.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
I'm gonna go Chromo Cropia because that's what got the
most play in my earphones. But all of those projects
are amazing, But I'm gonna go with Tyler. Yeah, like
he's I'm a fan.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I got a feeling. I don't know if anyone's beating
Kendrick ever after the gn X year, but I'm I'm like, honestly,
as long as it's clips, Tyler or Kendrick, I'm okay
with it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah, and it's gonna be And g I.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
D is incredible to ja. What's your favorite song on
Chroma coopia. Man, I'll give you mind first take. I
like to take your mask off song each one. I
like to take a mask on each one of those verses.
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Like there's like a verse about like a mom who
like settled in a marriage and have kids, and I'm like, yo,
that's fucking crazy. Like the fact he was able.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
To that's probably one of mine. Yeah, I think that
whole project to me is one like and and you know,
I love like all of the rollouts and the big
shebangs with people's stuff. But when you can have an
album that is playable from start to finish and I
don't got to touch my shit, it's you know, I
(33:49):
love those type of things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
But you know, are you already working on new music
or like how often are you in I'm definitely working
on Are you always cooking?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah for the most part. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah. Are you doing a tour stuff coming up?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Tell me about the tour.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Stuff next year, I'm gonna do some tour stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Are you gonna be going out with someone you're gonna
be headlining or what? Figuring it out?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm figuring it out, but for sure, I'm talking about
my own headline tour. But I would love to go
on with somebody as well.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, what is the coolest thing about being signed to
death Row Records in twenty twenty five? Because I feel
like Snoop's quietly putting together this awesome roster of an
amazing R and B. You know what I mean That
there's like very when we think of death Row back
in the day, we wouldn't think of like, yeah, some
of these I think the biggest artists on death Row
(34:47):
or R and B. You know.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, I think it's just dope to be a part of, uh,
something that was just such a staple right in music
period and to be able to like keep that going
and hold that responsibility to really keep it going. I'm
(35:08):
excited for what I do next.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
It might be this, it might not.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
You might be acting directing, Yeah, I might be tour
on the way.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
New album is out, go support it. Song is going crazy?
Thank you with Anderson videos out. I'm sure you got
more videos coming.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yes, yeah, absolutely. I have a lot of visualizers out
for that. I have a song a visualizer for each
song on the album.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Just because you have a visualized does that mean you
want to do a full video?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I did some full videos. I did one for Stingy,
I did one for Can't Let Go. Yeah, we'll see
what we do next.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Uh it's me, not you. Got you blocked by someone,
but it's out now go support it. Thank you for
pulling up, thank you for having me there. It is
boom m
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