August 12, 2026 • 16 mins
Newly released messages from Anthony Fauci’s government-issued phone are raising new questions about what public health officials were saying privately during the COVID era versus what Americans were being told publicly. Buck Sexton digs into the batch of more than 34,000 texts turned over to Senate investigators, including conversations about vaccine uncertainties, pregnancy, the origins of COVID, masks, lockdowns, natural immunity, and more. Buck argues that the Fauci files aren’t just about relitigating the past, but about accountability, restoring trust in public health, and ensuring that the mistakes of the pandemic are never repeated.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Fauci texts are out, and this isn't some anonymous
leak or a partisan hit job. These are actual messages
from Anthony Fauci's government issued phone. He's a moron for
putting them on a government issued phone, a lot of things,
he said. But nonetheless, it's over thirty four thousand of them,
plus hundreds of voicemails, and they were handed over by
(00:23):
Health and Human Services to Senate investigators. Senator Ron Johnson
released the first batch, and he actually broke the news
about this, some of the news about this on Clay
Unpuck Radio. But this all still really matters, and I
understand that this is something of an uphill battle to
get people to care about this somewhat. Although I think
(00:46):
the proof that Fauci is a megalomaniac was a tyrannical,
self promoting, self obsessed lunatic, I think it's important that
people know that. I think it's important that people are
in a position where if they want to defend Fauci,
they look absolutely preposterous. But let's dive into some of
(01:10):
these texts in a second. I just wanted to say
before we do that the reason all of this matters
is they would do it again. They aren't actually upset,
meaning the people that push for this, the people that
were shouting at you to get the vaccine, to mask
up at all of this, they have wiring in their
(01:31):
brain and their soul, their emotional control, whatever it may be,
that would make them do the same things all over again.
Not only do they want to obey, they want to
make you obey as well. And we need to fight
against this because the descent into medical totalitarianism was something
(01:55):
that we should learn from, so we don't do it again.
We would do it again. I'm still agitated that the
Trump administration has not put out more official official documentation
of the enormous misses, not just lapses in judgment, the lies,
(02:17):
the fabrications, the falsehoods that Fauci and others were peddling.
So let's go into some of this. In January twenty
fifth and twenty sixth of twenty twenty one, Fauci was
texting with Rachelle Wlensky and Vivik Murthy, and they're talking
about pregnant women in the COVID vaccine, and Murthy asked
a straightforward question, is there any data or theoretical reason
to prefer vaccinating early versus later and pregnancy, and Fauci
(02:40):
answers that there isn't. Then he adds this because a
lot of people get a significant sight of kind storm
and fever after the second dose that theoretically could be
associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Nine days later,
Fauci is out on stage in front of the world,
sally saying and selling a suddenly they did, there are
no flags, no reason for concern at all, And months
(03:02):
after the same officials are pushing the shots. Months after that,
officials are pushing the shots for pregnant women. CDC messaging,
White House messaging, media messaging, all in the same direction.
They were all saying safe effective, get it safe effective,
get it shut up, shut up, don't ask any questions,
and hesitation is treated as misinformation. Doctors who raise questions
get threatened with their licenses, and ordinary people who ask
(03:25):
basic questions about the risk benefit were called anti science.
This was a scandal, It was atrocious. It was a
bastardization of science in the name of politics, the worst
kind of groupthink, tribal politics. And the part of this
that I think makes it even more maddening in many ways,
(03:46):
is that the cost benefit analysis for people to get
the shot who were relatively young, relatively healthy, essentially under
sixty five and indecent health was such that there was
no reason for them to do it. I got COVID
three or four times, at least confirmed by test. It
was fine. It was like a bad cold or a flu.
(04:11):
But people were getting COVID all over the place, and
they were going to get it even if they got
this vaccine. The vaccine didn't stop infection. They just said
it might stop severe infection for a period of time.
Were a serious reaction to it even that, I think
you could argue and look at the data and show that,
I mean, it was a minimally effective therapy for COVID. Really,
(04:35):
But the biggest part of this that should outrage everybody
is they lied about the certainty of something, and lying
about the certainty is just that it's a lie. The
same way that they completely ignored and shut down any
discussion about natural immunity, Fauci and his little minions pretended
that there was no concern at all in this vaccine,
(04:57):
and then they said are cost benefit and now is
you should get it, And there's really no cost, only
benefit that's a lie, and they should have allowed people
to make that cost benefit analysis for themselves. So none
of this is about science. It's about control, as you know.
And the private text messages from people like Fauci shows
(05:20):
that they knew that there were uncertainties and then they
lied about those uncertainties. They didn't think the public could
be trusted with the full picture. The public didn't have
the right to the full picture. And this is why
these latest text messages matter so much. It's not because
of theoretical concern about fever and miscarriage per se is
(05:45):
the biggest risk for pregnancy from COVID or rather from
getting the vaccine. It's because they're going to say that
there are large studies that showed later that there wasn't
a clear signal about first trimester loss, but there's people
that didn't want to take any chance and didn't need
the vaccine at all. So if your chance, if you
(06:07):
don't care about getting COVID because you know you're going
to be fine and your chance of losing your baby
is one in ten thousand, you should be allowed to
say I don't want to take the one in ten
thousand or one in one hundred thousand chants from this vaccine.
I just want to just deal with getting COVID, but
they wouldn't allow you to do that because they kept
pretending that you were a danger of other people, because
(06:29):
if you didn't get the vaccine, then other people were
at greater risk, even though that was a lie, because
people got COVID anyway, even after getting the vaccine. Everybody
I know who got the vaccine still got COVID. So
then they had to change the whole thing. They had
to change the whole thing too. Well, you're not going
to get as sick. Well, if it's about getting as sick.
If you don't want to get as sick, you get
the shot, why should people be forced to get it
(06:50):
in order to protect you if you're somebody who got
the shot. It never made any sense. It was all
just well, it was Fauciism. And then there's also, by
the way, the origin of the virus issue that comes up,
as we know this one where they were completely lying
and they were trying to cover up. In Fauci's case,
people figuring out what really happened here. Early emails and
(07:13):
dire entry show that top scientists, including people Fauci was
talking to were taking the biolab leak thesis very seriously.
The furin cleavage site bothered them, features looked engineered to
some of them. Fauci himself helped convene calls where this
was discussed. Then the proximal origin paper appears. The lab
leak hypothesis has labeled a conspiracy theory, and anyone who
(07:36):
kept asking questions got smeared, and social media companies, by
the way, including the one where this video is appearing
on a platform, throttle discussion and engaged in censorship. And
for years the official line was that the science was
settled against the lab origin. It wasn't settled, it was
mandated lies, mandatory lies. We also saw the same pattern
(07:59):
with mass, by the way, with the school closures, with
the six foot rule, outdoor transmission risk, natural immunity, dismissal,
the booster frequency, the cadence of the booster shots. In
each case, the public was given a simplified, ultra confident narrative,
while the internal conversation was far more complicated, uncertain, and
(08:20):
sometimes even skeptical. When the simplified narrative later cracked, the
response was never, we got something's wrong, and here's how
we'll fix the process. It was the science evolved or
misinformation made it hard. That's how they just covered up
for themselves after that. So we went through the most
disruptive public health crisis in a century. We shut down
(08:41):
schools and businesses. Massive learning loss, by the way, came
from that. And they won't watch the excess death climb
for a reason. It's still armfully explained and imposed vaccine mandates,
costing people jobs and livelihoods. We can't just simply move
on from this. We can't simply move on from this.
And I think part of the problem here is that
(09:03):
Trump is tied into some of this, and I just
think we need to be honest about what's fair and
what's not fair. To put at the feed of Donald
Trump when it comes to COVID, he still thinks Operation
Warp Speed was an incredible success. The vaccines that came
out of it were not an incredible success. You can
say the speed with which way they were developed was impressive,
but they weren't great vaccines. So if the product isn't great,
(09:27):
does the process speed really matter all that much? But
this is why there's a little bit of dishonesty around
the issue. Even on the right, or I should say
hesitation to have an honest conversation about it. It's very different,
and I've said this for a long time. For Donald
Trump to do what he was doing in April, May
and even June of twenty twenty than what Biden was
(09:48):
doing starting in January twenty twenty one, we had seen
a lot, we had learned a lot. The data was in,
people had experienced what was going on. So I think
Trump does deserve a lot of leeway on that. And
it's not the same thing as what Biden did. And
the really the gravest sin in the COVID realm. The
gravest sins were the school lockdowns, which are entirely unjustifiable,
(10:14):
the vaccine mandates, and the and the refusal to take
natural immunity to accept the principle, I mean, the the
verified scientific fact of natural immunity. Oh and of course
masking mandates. That masking was doing anything to slow this
virus or stop that was all just It was total theater.
(10:35):
It was total crap. Those are the big ones. And
I still think we need a reckoning. We need an
honest conversation as a nation about all of us. A
lot of people will never want to change their minds
on it because for them it's just they did what
they were told to do and that makes them feel
good and smart, and they don't want to admit that
(10:55):
they're sheep and they're dumb. A lot of Democrats, especially
Democrats who think of themselves is very high IQ, very intelligent,
were complete cowards and act like morons during all of COVID,
including in the media, and of course Democrat politicians. So
they don't want to really look back at this. I
understand that, but we on the conservative side, on the right,
(11:16):
we need to be very honest about all of this
and what went wrong and what went right. Very little
went right. I mean, first of all, public health only
works if people believe that those who are running it
really care about public health and not politics. And so
when the private texts and emails that have come out
show officials like Fauci discussing theoretical risks while the public
(11:39):
messaging pretends those risks don't exist, then the trust, of
course collapses, and then the next emergency will be harder
to manage because people rightfully or understandably do not trust
those who are supposed to be in charge of their
public health people stop listening. So that's not a partisan problem,
that's just a national American problem. There's also the issue
(12:01):
of accountability if the same officials who shaped policy also
shaped the information environment through pressure on social media, coordination
with the big Democrat media outlets, labeling descent is dangerous,
the misinformation and disinformation police. All of that was completely
un American and anti American. The normal feedback mechanisms of
(12:25):
a free society were short circuited. Congress, the press, and
the public were operating with incomplete information while people with
the fullest picture were managing the narrative. That's not how
a republic is supposed to work. And then, of course prevention.
We still do not have a serious national conversation going
on about gain of function research in high risk countries,
(12:46):
the funding pipelines for that. We haven't had a full
blown policy paper that is a rejection of lockdowns. Ever, again,
Trump administration should have see this thing. I still want
things to have and now I'm not rehashing the past.
I want Trump's CDC to look at all of the
information they have access to about lockdowns as a prevention measure,
(13:09):
and all prevention measure and all the disastrous stuff that
came of it, and I want them to have to
say whether or not they think it was worthwhile. I mean,
I can't imagine that any judgment they could come to
would say anything other than the lockdowns were disastrous. There
should be a paper disastrous lockdowns should never be repeated
from the CDC's own brain trust. And if people won't
(13:34):
put it out, then should be fired. This is straightforward stuff.
This needs to be done and there should be some
urgency about it because Trump is not going to be
president forever. And I know that a lot of people
right now have voted for Trump three times like I did. Think,
Oh well, JD is waiting in the wings. Democrats are
(13:56):
going to be in a formidable position in twenty twenty eight.
People like change, maybe even hope and change. People like
something different, and it's not going to be Trump anymore.
So that's going to feel very different to the electorate
that voted for Trump in the first place. This is
why this stuff all still really matters. I want things
(14:17):
to happen now. People are saying Fauci should be prosecuted.
I mean, I just want a repudiation of everything Fauci
stood for said, I want it to be clear that
he's a liar. I want the official record to reflect that.
I want the policies that he pushed to be from
the biggest government institutions that handle things like public health.
I want them to admit that it was all disastrous,
(14:37):
that they screwed up, They'll never do it again. That
all needs to happen now. So the thirty four thousand
texts we've just seen a handful of them so far,
and the diary of Fauci being a complete megalomaniac, this
stuff is all is all not just important to clarify
the past, but also to clear the pathway for the future.
(14:58):
Make sure we don't do any of this crazy crap again.
And I'm not going to give up on this stuff.
And next time I see Trump, I'm going to bring
it up with them. Actually, next time I'm in the
Oval or wherever I get a chance to speak to
our president, must say, sir, we need official policy declarations,
maybe an executive order, but also we need the CDC
to say we've looked at it all. And masks. Mask
(15:20):
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The Fauci texts are out, and this isn't some anonymous
leak or a partisan hit job. These are actual messages
from Anthony Fauci's government issued phone. He's a moron for
putting them on a government issued phone, a lot of things,
he said. But nonetheless, it's over thirty four thousand of them,
plus hundreds of voicemails, and they were handed over by
(00:23):
Health and Human Services to Senate investigators. Senator Ron Johnson
released the first batch, and he actually broke the news
about this, some of the news about this on Clay
Unpuck Radio. But this all still really matters, and I
understand that this is something of an uphill battle to
get people to care about this somewhat. Although I think
(00:46):
the proof that Fauci is a megalomaniac was a tyrannical,
self promoting, self obsessed lunatic, I think it's important that
people know that. I think it's important that people are
in a position where if they want to defend Fauci,
they look absolutely preposterous. But let's dive into some of
(01:10):
these texts in a second. I just wanted to say
before we do that the reason all of this matters
is they would do it again. They aren't actually upset,
meaning the people that push for this, the people that
were shouting at you to get the vaccine, to mask
up at all of this, they have wiring in their
(01:31):
brain and their soul, their emotional control, whatever it may be,
that would make them do the same things all over again.
Not only do they want to obey, they want to
make you obey as well. And we need to fight
against this because the descent into medical totalitarianism was something
(01:55):
that we should learn from, so we don't do it again.
We would do it again. I'm still agitated that the
Trump administration has not put out more official official documentation
of the enormous misses, not just lapses in judgment, the lies,
(02:17):
the fabrications, the falsehoods that Fauci and others were peddling.
So let's go into some of this. In January twenty
fifth and twenty sixth of twenty twenty one, Fauci was
texting with Rachelle Wlensky and Vivik Murthy, and they're talking
about pregnant women in the COVID vaccine, and Murthy asked
a straightforward question, is there any data or theoretical reason
to prefer vaccinating early versus later and pregnancy, and Fauci
(02:40):
answers that there isn't. Then he adds this because a
lot of people get a significant sight of kind storm
and fever after the second dose that theoretically could be
associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Nine days later,
Fauci is out on stage in front of the world,
sally saying and selling a suddenly they did, there are
no flags, no reason for concern at all, And months
(03:02):
after the same officials are pushing the shots. Months after that,
officials are pushing the shots for pregnant women. CDC messaging,
White House messaging, media messaging, all in the same direction.
They were all saying safe effective, get it safe effective,
get it shut up, shut up, don't ask any questions,
and hesitation is treated as misinformation. Doctors who raise questions
get threatened with their licenses, and ordinary people who ask
(03:25):
basic questions about the risk benefit were called anti science.
This was a scandal, It was atrocious. It was a
bastardization of science in the name of politics, the worst
kind of groupthink, tribal politics. And the part of this
that I think makes it even more maddening in many ways,
(03:46):
is that the cost benefit analysis for people to get
the shot who were relatively young, relatively healthy, essentially under
sixty five and indecent health was such that there was
no reason for them to do it. I got COVID
three or four times, at least confirmed by test. It
was fine. It was like a bad cold or a flu.
(04:11):
But people were getting COVID all over the place, and
they were going to get it even if they got
this vaccine. The vaccine didn't stop infection. They just said
it might stop severe infection for a period of time.
Were a serious reaction to it even that, I think
you could argue and look at the data and show that,
I mean, it was a minimally effective therapy for COVID. Really,
(04:35):
But the biggest part of this that should outrage everybody
is they lied about the certainty of something, and lying
about the certainty is just that it's a lie. The
same way that they completely ignored and shut down any
discussion about natural immunity, Fauci and his little minions pretended
that there was no concern at all in this vaccine,
(04:57):
and then they said are cost benefit and now is
you should get it, And there's really no cost, only
benefit that's a lie, and they should have allowed people
to make that cost benefit analysis for themselves. So none
of this is about science. It's about control, as you know.
And the private text messages from people like Fauci shows
(05:20):
that they knew that there were uncertainties and then they
lied about those uncertainties. They didn't think the public could
be trusted with the full picture. The public didn't have
the right to the full picture. And this is why
these latest text messages matter so much. It's not because
of theoretical concern about fever and miscarriage per se is
(05:45):
the biggest risk for pregnancy from COVID or rather from
getting the vaccine. It's because they're going to say that
there are large studies that showed later that there wasn't
a clear signal about first trimester loss, but there's people
that didn't want to take any chance and didn't need
the vaccine at all. So if your chance, if you
(06:07):
don't care about getting COVID because you know you're going
to be fine and your chance of losing your baby
is one in ten thousand, you should be allowed to
say I don't want to take the one in ten
thousand or one in one hundred thousand chants from this vaccine.
I just want to just deal with getting COVID, but
they wouldn't allow you to do that because they kept
pretending that you were a danger of other people, because
(06:29):
if you didn't get the vaccine, then other people were
at greater risk, even though that was a lie, because
people got COVID anyway, even after getting the vaccine. Everybody
I know who got the vaccine still got COVID. So
then they had to change the whole thing. They had
to change the whole thing too. Well, you're not going
to get as sick. Well, if it's about getting as sick.
If you don't want to get as sick, you get
the shot, why should people be forced to get it
(06:50):
in order to protect you if you're somebody who got
the shot. It never made any sense. It was all
just well, it was Fauciism. And then there's also, by
the way, the origin of the virus issue that comes up,
as we know this one where they were completely lying
and they were trying to cover up. In Fauci's case,
people figuring out what really happened here. Early emails and
(07:13):
dire entry show that top scientists, including people Fauci was
talking to were taking the biolab leak thesis very seriously.
The furin cleavage site bothered them, features looked engineered to
some of them. Fauci himself helped convene calls where this
was discussed. Then the proximal origin paper appears. The lab
leak hypothesis has labeled a conspiracy theory, and anyone who
(07:36):
kept asking questions got smeared, and social media companies, by
the way, including the one where this video is appearing
on a platform, throttle discussion and engaged in censorship. And
for years the official line was that the science was
settled against the lab origin. It wasn't settled, it was
mandated lies, mandatory lies. We also saw the same pattern
(07:59):
with mass, by the way, with the school closures, with
the six foot rule, outdoor transmission risk, natural immunity, dismissal,
the booster frequency, the cadence of the booster shots. In
each case, the public was given a simplified, ultra confident narrative,
while the internal conversation was far more complicated, uncertain, and
(08:20):
sometimes even skeptical. When the simplified narrative later cracked, the
response was never, we got something's wrong, and here's how
we'll fix the process. It was the science evolved or
misinformation made it hard. That's how they just covered up
for themselves after that. So we went through the most
disruptive public health crisis in a century. We shut down
(08:41):
schools and businesses. Massive learning loss, by the way, came
from that. And they won't watch the excess death climb
for a reason. It's still armfully explained and imposed vaccine mandates,
costing people jobs and livelihoods. We can't just simply move
on from this. We can't simply move on from this.
And I think part of the problem here is that
(09:03):
Trump is tied into some of this, and I just
think we need to be honest about what's fair and
what's not fair. To put at the feed of Donald
Trump when it comes to COVID, he still thinks Operation
Warp Speed was an incredible success. The vaccines that came
out of it were not an incredible success. You can
say the speed with which way they were developed was impressive,
but they weren't great vaccines. So if the product isn't great,
(09:27):
does the process speed really matter all that much? But
this is why there's a little bit of dishonesty around
the issue. Even on the right, or I should say
hesitation to have an honest conversation about it. It's very different,
and I've said this for a long time. For Donald
Trump to do what he was doing in April, May
and even June of twenty twenty than what Biden was
(09:48):
doing starting in January twenty twenty one, we had seen
a lot, we had learned a lot. The data was in,
people had experienced what was going on. So I think
Trump does deserve a lot of leeway on that. And
it's not the same thing as what Biden did. And
the really the gravest sin in the COVID realm. The
gravest sins were the school lockdowns, which are entirely unjustifiable,
(10:14):
the vaccine mandates, and the and the refusal to take
natural immunity to accept the principle, I mean, the the
verified scientific fact of natural immunity. Oh and of course
masking mandates. That masking was doing anything to slow this
virus or stop that was all just It was total theater.
(10:35):
It was total crap. Those are the big ones. And
I still think we need a reckoning. We need an
honest conversation as a nation about all of us. A
lot of people will never want to change their minds
on it because for them it's just they did what
they were told to do and that makes them feel
good and smart, and they don't want to admit that
(10:55):
they're sheep and they're dumb. A lot of Democrats, especially
Democrats who think of themselves is very high IQ, very intelligent,
were complete cowards and act like morons during all of COVID,
including in the media, and of course Democrat politicians. So
they don't want to really look back at this. I
understand that, but we on the conservative side, on the right,
(11:16):
we need to be very honest about all of this
and what went wrong and what went right. Very little
went right. I mean, first of all, public health only
works if people believe that those who are running it
really care about public health and not politics. And so
when the private texts and emails that have come out
show officials like Fauci discussing theoretical risks while the public
(11:39):
messaging pretends those risks don't exist, then the trust, of
course collapses, and then the next emergency will be harder
to manage because people rightfully or understandably do not trust
those who are supposed to be in charge of their
public health people stop listening. So that's not a partisan problem,
that's just a national American problem. There's also the issue
(12:01):
of accountability if the same officials who shaped policy also
shaped the information environment through pressure on social media, coordination
with the big Democrat media outlets, labeling descent is dangerous,
the misinformation and disinformation police. All of that was completely
un American and anti American. The normal feedback mechanisms of
(12:25):
a free society were short circuited. Congress, the press, and
the public were operating with incomplete information while people with
the fullest picture were managing the narrative. That's not how
a republic is supposed to work. And then, of course prevention.
We still do not have a serious national conversation going
on about gain of function research in high risk countries,
(12:46):
the funding pipelines for that. We haven't had a full
blown policy paper that is a rejection of lockdowns. Ever, again,
Trump administration should have see this thing. I still want
things to have and now I'm not rehashing the past.
I want Trump's CDC to look at all of the
information they have access to about lockdowns as a prevention measure,
(13:09):
and all prevention measure and all the disastrous stuff that
came of it, and I want them to have to
say whether or not they think it was worthwhile. I mean,
I can't imagine that any judgment they could come to
would say anything other than the lockdowns were disastrous. There
should be a paper disastrous lockdowns should never be repeated
from the CDC's own brain trust. And if people won't
(13:34):
put it out, then should be fired. This is straightforward stuff.
This needs to be done and there should be some
urgency about it because Trump is not going to be
president forever. And I know that a lot of people
right now have voted for Trump three times like I did. Think,
Oh well, JD is waiting in the wings. Democrats are
(13:56):
going to be in a formidable position in twenty twenty eight.
People like change, maybe even hope and change. People like
something different, and it's not going to be Trump anymore.
So that's going to feel very different to the electorate
that voted for Trump in the first place. This is
why this stuff all still really matters. I want things
(14:17):
to happen now. People are saying Fauci should be prosecuted.
I mean, I just want a repudiation of everything Fauci
stood for said, I want it to be clear that
he's a liar. I want the official record to reflect that.
I want the policies that he pushed to be from
the biggest government institutions that handle things like public health.
I want them to admit that it was all disastrous,
(14:37):
that they screwed up, They'll never do it again. That
all needs to happen now. So the thirty four thousand
texts we've just seen a handful of them so far,
and the diary of Fauci being a complete megalomaniac, this
stuff is all is all not just important to clarify
the past, but also to clear the pathway for the future.
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Make sure we don't do any of this crazy crap again.
And I'm not going to give up on this stuff.
And next time I see Trump, I'm going to bring
it up with them. Actually, next time I'm in the
Oval or wherever I get a chance to speak to
our president, must say, sir, we need official policy declarations,
maybe an executive order, but also we need the CDC
to say we've looked at it all. And masks. Mask
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