November 22, 2024 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton show got
the day right, good start for the show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I had to I've been all over the place.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I just landed back from La Buck appreciate him having
the show yesterday. As boy George Pickles got into a
big fight in the snow. It was awesome fun game
last night. Did you did you give out prize picks picks?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I did, and I said always bet on Pickles never
lets us down.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know how Pickles did overall.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I do know that legitimately in the snow, he ended
the game in a huge fight with and then blame
the loss on.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The snow, which is an interesting move.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But we'll dive into that. Have some fun with that.
As many of you, I am sure, are set to
begin holiday travel or maybe you already have. I know
my wife and at least one of my sons are
going to be on the road during the course of
today's show. I know there's a lot of different moving
parts for many of you across the country, and but
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there we're going to have some fun. Here is on
the Friday edition of the program. But big picture as
we sit here, congratulations to Dave McCormick. We have said
it on the show for some time that he was
going to be the winner of.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That Pennsylvania Senate seat.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Finally, Bob Casey yesterday afternoon evening conceded. So this basically
ends all of the statewide races, whether it's governor, whether
it's Senate, certainly, whether it's who won the presidency, and
so Republicans will have fifty three seats in the Senate.
Bob Casey, after eighteen years loses. Congratulations Senator Dave McCormick
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from Pennsylvania, and congratulations to all of you Pennsylvanians, because
not only did you flip a Senate seat, but you
also put Donald Trump back in the White House.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is important, Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Because we have a lot of different moving parts as
it pertains to the cabinet, many decisions still to be made.
Yesterday you had the decision by Matt Gates to drop out.
I'm sure you talk quite a lot about that. Pam
Bondi has now been nominated former Florida Attorney General as
the attorney general nominee going forward. Very well connected with
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Susie Wiles, but there are a lot of Floridians. You
are a Floridian Now that are a part of a
Trump two point zero regime. A lot of people being elevated.
That makes some sense because Susie Wilds did a great
job as campaign manager. She knows everyone in Florida very well.
We were going to talk with Nancy Mace about a
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big bathroom issue. She had to cancel. It's quite a
chaotic for her. She's gonna be on with us maybe
next week. But Pete Hegseth is now the focal point.
Now that Matt Gates is out, they are turning everything
they have on Pete heg Seth, who is the nominee
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for the Defense secretary. And so this is the newest battleground. Buck,
You've known Pete Hegseth for a long time. You agree
with me that basically. Now as he goes around, I
think he's gonna get confirmed. But he is the new man,
next man up, so to speak. On the target list.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Oh absolutely, And I think that for whatever the strategy
was to putting Gates forward, it has with this step
down from the nomination encouraged the Democrats. There's a blood
in the water, so to speak, now around Trump's nominees. Now,
maybe that works against them, But right now, I think
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it has encouraged them and they think that they can
make a statement now by taking down other nominees. And yes,
our friend Pete Hesset is next in their metaphorical crosshairs.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So the target so.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Far, and again I'm trying to kind of focus on
it while both of us know Pete well the target
right now, and correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Buck seems to be a twenty seventeen incident at a
Monterey Republican speaking dinner where a woman alleged that they
(04:13):
had a relationship and that he had behaved inappropriately. They
signed an NDA and.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
She alleged sexual assault. He says it was consensual. That's
the and the information you can read. There's an extensive
story about this. There's some let's just say this. I
have to keep coming back to this clay. If there
were sufficient evidence, why no charge?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Correct? They investigated it and determined there was no criminality.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's one thing to say someone's been charged and you
still believe they have a presumption of innocence. What is
the presumption of innocence supposed to be when.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's been no charge? Even? Do you know what I mean? Percent?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I understand it's only court of public opinion, but there's
inherently this challenge that is left for people of how
can you defend yourself when there's no process through which
to defend yourself. There are some very Alex Bearnson picked
up on this on X. There are some reasons to
look it was an It was a highly unfortunate situation,
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you know, even if it wasn't a crime. Just putting
that out there not a thing that should have gone down.
I'm not trying to cast judgment or expursions. It's just
not point being. It does not seem to have the
elements of a crime based on what I was able
to read. I know Pete, I like Pete. I'm not
I'm not unbiased in this process. But this is what
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they're doing now. They're they're getting all these accusations, and
when they've when they've done things like Havanaugh and then
the thirty year old allegation against Trump, what are.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We know they've I know they've lied about other people,
meaning the media. Yes, I know the media has lied
about other Republicans. So I'm just going to take every
allegation they make at face value.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Of course, not. I want process, I want proof.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I actually think some of these details matter, and i'm
you know, specifically, she he was drunk. There is video
of them walking together to his hotel room, and she
went into his hotel room. Okay, for anyone out there,
male or female, if you are drinking at a bar
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and you both voluntarily go into a hotel room, which
there is video of that occurring, that is the open
public evidence that we have. I'm not saying that going
into a hotel room guarantees that everything is consensual inside
the hotel room. I'm saying for most men and women,
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most men and women out there, I think if you
are drinking at a bar and you go into a
hotel room with someone else, and it's clear that it
was voluntary and that you were making a choice to
go into that hotel room, I think it's hard to say, hey,
then all of these things that were totally non consensual happened.
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Now doesn't mean that that's not it can't happen, but
just on a at that point, it's one billion percent,
he said, She said, because there's gonna be no witnesses otherwise,
I think for most people going into a hotel room
when you've been drinking with somebody at a bar. She
has a husband, It comes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
There at the hotel with his children as well, so
her family was there during the To be clear, there's
an agreement that there was a sexual encounter that is
on the record that birth parties say that happened. Pete
is saying it was absolutely consensual. He was actually quite drunk.
There's there's evidence that she was not in fact and
nearbrid at all. She has intimated that she may have
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been drugged by somebody, but nobody Yeah, roof, yes, nobody
has any you know, there's no evidence of that other
than her saying that she thinks that may have happened,
and she went to the She went to the hospital
four days after the incident.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know they're there.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Look, we're for we're being forced to he would judicate
something ugly in the court of public opinion without a
judicial process.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So this is if I just look at it, buck
as like I try to take everybody at face value
and analyze the situation. He was in the process of
being divorced at the time. So what do you think
is more likely that she went to his room voluntarily
and he raped her there. That's her basic accusation, or
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her husband found out that she went to his room,
was not happy about it, and she had to come
up with a story for why she didn't misbehave in
their relationship in some way. To me, this isn't a
very difficult the situation to analyze. As the cops looked
at it, I think they probably found that to be
the most likely outcome.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't believe Pete hagg Seth committed a crime. That's
just reading all the evidence and all the reports and
all that. I do not believe Pete hagg Seth committed crime,
which is another way of saying I don't believe he
did anything legally wrong. Now correct the incident itself. Well,
Whether you want to get into the sort of morality
and ethics of these things, I leave to the individuals
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who can make determinations about whether it is more important
to them to have Pete in a senior role of
the government or to set a standard of personal conduct
that you're then going to enforce on public officials. That's
a voter policy public or public policy and voter decision,
that's not a law enforcement decision. That's I think a
(09:27):
critical distinction. I also think this is important what you
said a little bit earlier. They have lost all benefit
of the doubt. And the real loser here, I would submit,
is women that are actual victims of crimes. Because when
you try to put someone forward in the Brett Kavanaugh
case and say, oh, my goodness, this woman is a
victim of sexual assault, and when you are consistently even
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the case that they came brought against Trump thirty years later,
when he's inside of a department store, people who are
actual victims of rape are less likely to be believed
because they have a put forward people that I believe
are not victims of crime, which we can attack people
for political reasons. Yeah, we can go through so many
(10:11):
versions of this. Clay, Why wasn't Biden's accuser who can
prove that she spent a lot of time with him,
time alone with him?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You know, no one disputed those facts.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's not like I don't know what year it happened,
and I don't know where, and I don't know who, and.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That was the Blasi Ford routine.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I know nothing other than don't make this man a
Supreme Court justice, because women need to be able to
have abortions all nine months of a pregnancy. That was
her actual allegation. But you look at the Biden allegation,
and people didn't take that seriously in the media at least,
I know a lot of you took it seriously, but
in the media they ignored it. You look at the
allegations against Bill Clinton, people don't take those seriously. On
the record named women saying this is what happened. We
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know that Bill Clinton is a crazy philanderer. I mean
that's not that's a matter of fact, right, It's just
did he actually violate you know, did he get have
a non consentual that it's actually assault somebody to break
the law. That's the allegation that was out there. So,
you know, Clay, here we are and they're trying to
take down everybody around Trump that they can. They're already
(11:12):
going they're gonna drudge up I'm sure as many creepy
stories about Elon as they can. Uh, just going to
people who maybe have an axe to grind, maybe women
who feel they didn't get promoted. You can see now
this is the whole routine. They're going to try to
slime and smear everybody coming in around Trump, and unfortunately,
I think the map Gate situation. Whatever one thinks about it,
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it has definitely encouraged the opponents of the Trump administration
to go deeper and go harder.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And the other thing that I would say about this
is the ultimate impact, I think is a lot of
people who would be very good at public service just
say it's not worth it. If there's somebody out there
that's going to say anything negative about you, if you
got divorced, if you had a significant other relationship that
didn't go well at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A lot of people, I.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Think probably the majority of people are just like, it's
not worth it for me and my family today. If
the standard is hey, if somebody upset it you thirty
years ago because of the politics that you might have today,
I think there are very few guys and there are
very few gals out there, I would argue as well,
where there isn't somebody who has a reason to not
like you and wants to tear you down, and the
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media basically is out there looking for it. So I
think everybody needs to be prepared for it. And I
think to a large extent, the me too era buck
in my opinion, has been adjudicated found to have drastically overreached,
and both men and women out there were back to
where we were before the whole Me too era started,
(12:44):
which is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They're still doing it though, Clay. This is that they're
still going to this well, and they have not abandoned
this as the primary weapon. And look, you know, people
don't Not everybody has like trafficked infentanol. Not everybody has
killed somebody, right, Yeah, most people have had sexual encounters
in their life.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So it's a very easy thing to lie about.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Right if someone said, oh, you know Petexend was trafficking
you know, Colombian cocaine twenty years ago, like, well, clearly not.
But he slept with a woman under murky circumstances. And
now there's this is how they jam people up because
this is a thing people have, you know, relationships, sexual relationships.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Everyone pretty much does.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And also, by the way, Bucky signed the NDA during
the Me Too era when he was concerned that if
this comes out, even if it's not true, it's gonna
cost him a job. This is why I've said for
some time like these NDAs don't even have any value anymore,
you pay, Like, look what happened with Trump with the
stormy Daniels NDA. There's basically no point in ever signing
an NDA because it comes out publicly at some point
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and it makes you look like you're guilty of something
if you ever signed one of these things.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I also feel like at some point we just have
to understand as a society. If the new standard is
that somebody can say you grope them thirty years ago
at a party when people were drunk, and you have
no memory of this person or even meeting them, but
you're you're just insisting on this, they can take down anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
No, nobody can actually defend against that. I mean, there's
there's a reason why.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What's crazy is that Kavanaugh actually had that ridiculous calendar
that actually had records of all the things that he did, which.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I mean he that came to his benefit. Most people
don't have that. Yeah, they tried to. They tried to
turn a choir boy into a serial rapist. Okay, they
actually Kamala Harris led that charge. I have not forgotten it.
None of us should forget it, and we have to
take that into account when they roll out this routine
and I'm sorry, but you're gonna it's it's gonna get
dirtier folks. They're gonna are gonna come after people more anyway, Clay,
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show. Before
we get back into all of the news, this is
my last day to chat with you until after Thanksgiving
because I'm off next week. Clay will be in for
a few days Rocket and Solo, but I'm taken next
week off, going to be with my family up in NYC.
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And I wanted to just say, as we're going into Thanksgiving,
how thankful I am for all of you, for your confidence,
your friendship, your listenership. Also for Clay as a phenomenal
co host, and for our team, the team that in
many cases was with Rush for over twenty years. They've
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stayed with us, have a beautiful family, a lot to
be thankful for. Clay has a beautiful family and a
lot to be thankful for. So we just appreciate all
of you so very much, and you let us do
what I think is the greatest job in the world, truly,
and I Claiy know as I was saying this, there
was no job that I would leave this job for,
even you know, even some of these crazy big jobs
(17:07):
that people are talking about it right now, the administration.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I love what we do.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I love what I get to do every day, very grateful,
and I wanted to make a little special announcement because
some of you have been asking about this for a while.
So my wife Carrie, whom I love more than anything
and is incredible and phenomenal, and she's bringing ginger apparently
for you. Those of you can see the video. Honey,
would you come around please. I haven't brought Carrie on
the radio before, but I just wanted her to tell
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you all, as we are going to Thanksgiving what we
are particularly thankful for this year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Go ahead, honey, We're having a baby in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's very exciting. Love you, honey, Love you.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And then we got that so cute, So everybody out there,
bring her back again, because I think that was a
little bit hard to hear. She's got ginger for people
on video. Carrie, you just told everybody incredible news. Twenty
twenty five. You guys are going to be adding a
baby to the family and it's due in We got
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a baby. So how are you? How is Carrie feeling?
Everybody wants to know, and is it a boy or
a girl? Can you tell us? Can you tell us
boy or girl?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
It's a boy, a little James.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yep, baby boy, James.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well, first of all, this is amazing. Congratulations to Carrie
and she is doing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Grateful for you all for always listening to claim Buck
and love meeting you around the country, whether it's an
airport in New City or even around here in Miami.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So sorry, this is such awesome news, Buck, congratulations to
both give you. Carrie is feeling well right, She's doing well.
Baby is scheduled in April. We can say that, I
think now, so for all of us, a great little
bundle of joy rolling into the holiday season. It's funny now, Buck,
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because I think you could probably say it. Now, what
are the ads that you were doing? It's actually for IFCJ.
You said during the conversation. Some people might have heard.
Oh and we had a moment it came to me
like people were like, is Buck having a baby?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like not very many people heard. But so this is
actually a good a good lesson. I love you, honey.
This is a good lesson about media in general, or
just the world that we live in, which is all
all guns are always loaded, all mics are always live.
We just had a little bit of a mic thing
where it was open. After the show, we were doing
a little taping, and I spoke to Yaile, who's become
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a dear friend of ours from IFCJ, and I let
her know that Clay is going to Israel, but I'm
going to be staying back here because I want to
make sure that I'm here to help carry because she's
pregnant and we're you know, we're getting it. We got
like ultrasounds and all these great things that we're doing now,
and we wanted to wait, as a lot of people
who have had kids understand a few months into things
before telling everybody, because you know, you don't know until
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things get a little bit further in how it's going
to go. And now the odds are are are certainly favorable.
So yeah, we just want to tell you all. And
I appreciate those of you who I love. What they're
asking is like, when are you guys gonna have a baby?
I'm like, look, we're putting in the time.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I don't know what to like.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, it's uh, it's a little bit in God's hands,
or a lot of it in God's hands, and we're very,
very blessed and very thankful. I've wanted to be a
dad for a long time, and so we got a
little one on the way. So now this is where
there's a whole new thing coming on the show, where
like Clay is about to turn into the veteran cop.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Who's like, look, rookie, you don't even know what's coming
your way. You're gonna be changing diapers at three am.
You're not gonna know what time time. And we're.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Gavin is my new voice. So I want to open
up phone lines because we have a lot to be
thankful for all over the country, and I know many
of you do too. I want let's have some advice
coming in for buck here in this hour. Well we'll
go back to serious things in the third hour. We'll
hit into some of that. But eight hundred and two
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two eight eight two for baby one, it is.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Hard to But here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
What I what I told Buck, I said, one take
a baby moon, and that has become more common for
those of you out there. When we had hours, it
was just kind of starting. But it is before you
have that baby, and you're gonna have a lot of
responsibility and it's gonna be chaotic no matter who you
are go on a trip, particularly before you have your first.
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So you guys are gonna take a really good trip
during Christmas, Buck, you and carry are gonna get away
a little bit. That was my number one piece of
advice because it's hard if you until you have that kid,
you don't know. So you took that piece of advice.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, it's funny, Clay all.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know, sometimes we chat, well we always chat on
the commercial breaks, but we'll get into some random things.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He's like, so, what are you gonna do if the
baby was born? Like what's the plan?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And it was kind of like, I don't know, Like
don't we just like feed it and make sure it
gets enough naps?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He's like, no, no, no, dude, it's gonna be more than
just like feeding it and giving it naps.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Like, how is the schedule gonna work for you?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So yeah, well, I was just saying, because the baby
is doing April, and I'm like, hey, have you thought
about what your situation is gonna be? Are you gonna
take a certain amount of time off? Have you planned out?
Have you thought because you do your show from home?
I was like, have you thought about, you know, with
a newborn crying at all hours and up at all hours?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like, how this is gonna And.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I remember this because I think a lot of you
who are dads out there women think about having babies.
I'm gonna be honest with you. From the moment that
you can start carrying around a baby doll, women are
aware about what babies require. They are cognizant of knowledge,
much like with weddings. Most men, I don't know if
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this was your experience. I had no idea about babies.
And some of you may be different if you have
like much younger siblings and so you've been around baby.
I didn't have that. I've got to Shrew's two years younger,
but I don't remember her being a baby really, and
so I had no idea what I was walking into.
Same thing with the wedding like, I didn't know anything
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about weddings, like women have thought about having babies and
having weddings in a way that virtually no man, ever,
no straight man anyway, ever has in his life. So
when I'm talking with you, I've been through three times, yes,
but I was totally clueless the first one I had known.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
They was asking all these questions. He's like, so what
are you gonna do and what's the schedule?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And I was like, ah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I thought we just the baby happens and then we
come home and then you know, like you just it cries,
you feed it. I don't know, I'm gonna learn some
things here. So also we'd love for I know what
we got so many people. If you have any particular
baby advice, Carrie squared Away she's got this. She's like,
she's all prepped and ready to roll like mom for women,
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it's gonna be She's.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Gonna be amazing more things about having babies that men
never even contemplate. If you have new dad advice, okay,
new dad advice like stuff that you would wish that
you had known for your first one. By the way,
where you're going into number one, you know, maybe God
will bless us with a second or a third or
we'll see. But if you're going into number one, what
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do you as a guy? Okay, Carrie doesn't need any help,
she's got to score away. What do you as a guy?
I wish you had known beforehand, because it was really funny.
Clay was asking all his questions. I had no idea.
It's like, I don't I don't even know. I had
to think.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
About the things that Clay was asking and Carrie's like, yeah,
I've been thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I was like, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So yeah, well, it's a little bit different because you
work from home. So like for some dad, like a
lot of you out there that are dad's like, you
leave the home where the baby is and you go
to work and then you come back home to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Where the baby is.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But I'm like, you have a studio in your place
down in Miami, which is going to be different. Also,
I would bet mother in law's you know her mom like,
there's just going to be women running through the house
at all hour, everywhere, which is good. You're fortunate to
have the ability to to have those assets.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Let's tell you something we were We were we had
dinner last night with a couple of good friends here
in Miami and the wife, who's lovely. It just sort
of was like, well, we're talking about baby stuff because
obviously they know, and she goes, well, the good news
is you only work three hours a day, and I
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There is many hours of getting geared up to do
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But I mean, technically it is a pretty great schedule.
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So you may hear starting in the spring, maybe occasionally
a crying baby. I'm I'm super excited for you, because
it is just it's hard to explain what a transcendent
feeling you will have when the first baby arrives. And
I'm not taking shots at baby two or baby three
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unbelievable experience that is hard to even quantify for anyone,
and not only for you and Carrie Buck, but also
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hopefully they are ways away still for marriage and having kids.
But I look around now as I get older, I'm like,
ten years from now is not that long. I had
my first kid when I was twenty eight, so my
you know, sixteen year old is twelve years difference from.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
How old I was when I had a kid. Grandpa
Clay on the radio is not that far off, my friend.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So that is really ideal because then you get all
the fun of the kid. But they but you don't
have to keep them all the time. That's what I
hear from the grandparents out there. You're like, hey, you know,
they're great, but there's a time where you're not on
the hook one hundred percent for them, which is the
best thing about being a grandparent. You can spoil them.
You don't have to worry about the precedent that you're
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setting because you're not mom or dad.
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But I'm so excited because I didn't.
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Want to spoil it because we've known this was coming
for a while and I just didn't want to step
on anything or accidentally say anything out there. So I'm
glad that you were able to tell this whole audience,
and I know I can already tell. I just wanted
too to mentions flooded. People are just so excited. So
it's it's like it's a beautiful thing. And those of
you who are parents, I know that you.
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Know you you've been able to experience this, and we've
you know, we're very excited. I didn't get married until
I was forty, and now I'm in my forties and
I'm having my.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
First kid, and it's all it's all gonna be great.
I'm really excited about it.
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And so yes, it's it's just I'm very grateful and
I'm very thankful, and going to Thanksgiving, I try to
think more about what these holidays actually mean other than
the delicious food and spending time with family. So, you know,
we have Clay. We have a lot to be grateful
for him, and you do. You have a beautiful, wonderful
why and three amazing kids, and you've got a great family,
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and we have this incredible audience that really is just
we have friends all over the country, so you know,
it's almost like a little overwhelming. Sometimes this is really
a dream come true. And I appreciate all of you
so much. I really mean that from the bottom of
my heart.
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in Navy seal training for mom duty. What would you
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Speaker 1 (30:02):
We are headed up to New York City right now,
where we'll dive into this a bit, maybe this hour.
The criminal convictions of Donald Trump and the Alvin Bragg
hush money business records case basically going up in smoke
now that Trump has won the election as well as
the popular vote. We'll give you a little bit of
(30:23):
a legal breakdown of where that is and how it's going. Also, again,
great news on the program, Buck and Carrie are going
to have a baby, and they're gonna have that baby
in the spring, and they just talked about it last week.
A lot of you wanting to weigh in, but if
you're just getting into your car, lots of good news
already on the program.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Now. We wanted to cover this story because I.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Feel like it has largely gotten ignored in the national
media because this case is taking place during the election season.
But we wanted to bring in Kirsten Flemings. She's a
New York Post features columnist and she's been the Daniel
Penny trial in New York City to refresh. Daniel Penny
was a former marine who was arrested for putting a
(31:08):
choke hold on someone who was threatening people he says
on the New York City subway. He's being charged with
felony charges for that. We'll get the details of how
that's going. We bring in now Kirsten, who has been
in that courtroom. Kirsten Fleming from the New York Post.
What should we know about the case? Kirsten, Thanks for
giving us the time here on this Friday for people
(31:30):
who haven't been able to follow it very much.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What's going on so far?
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Well in the courtroom. I mean, it's been interesting because
the prosecution's witnesses are basically people who were on the
subway that you know that day, and a lot of
them have been so favorable for the defense. A lot
of them had said, oh my gosh, I thought I
was going to pass out. It was the most terrified
(31:56):
I've been. A lot of those people are very seasoned
subway rider, so this is not like, you know, I
came in town from Peoria, got on the subway and
I saw guy screaming and I freak doubt, you know,
Like these are all New Yorkers and they're used to that.
So the strongest witness they've had is the emmy who
(32:16):
was said it was definitively a choke hol that Neely
died from. And yesterday and it's still going on in
court now, the defense put forward an expert who said
that he didn't die from a choke hold, that he
died from combined effects or combined effects of schizophrenia, synthetic
marijuana use, the struggle, and a stickling event. So it's,
(32:41):
you know, who knows what's going to happen, but this
is what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Hey, Christan appreciate you being with us, and I'm glad
that someone's down there to cover what's really going on.
I've wondered how is it in the court room, Like
there's some stuff on social media I've seen about how
there's a lot of uh, you know that that seems
like this is something that activists are very involved in
(33:06):
now and the people who are watching this it's very
it does a political feel. I mean, can you just
bring us into the courtroom, like what has it been
like and and what are you sensing from the proceedings
here about how it's going.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Well. I think that things have been going pretty well
for Penny, which is, you know, very good news obviously,
But there was one day when everything kind of erupted.
You know, there was like a woman who had to
be escorted out because she was wailing at an unnecessary time.
There was another woman who started to sort of weeping,
(33:40):
and you know, you can't have that that jury deserve
to have some sort of piece in that they don't
deserve to hear all of these outbursts. And then even
that day, one of the one of the Nealy supporters
got into a huge blowout with one of the cops
outside when we cut for a break to the point
where he was screaming at the guy saying, f your rules.
(34:03):
So that day was a big circus and the judge
had to kindly scold people, Hey, listen, the jury deserves
to not hear this. You cannot act this way. And
so things have been pretty good since. And you know,
they run a tight ship down there. There are protesters
every morning outside on their bullhorns. It tends to go
(34:24):
away by the time the jury is seated. But yeah,
I mean it's been a lot of Mealy supporters. It
doesn't feel I think like since that day that the
judge scolded everybody, I think it's kind of gone a
little bit more. I think controlled Yesterday was really contentious
(34:46):
with the with the defense expert who basically said that
he didn't dive from a joke hold. And by the way,
I would never render decision after only two days of
not actually seeing the toxicology report. So yeah, you know,
the the obviously on cross the ada was extremely aggressive
(35:07):
and it was I mean, it was really it was
like the stuff that courtun dramas are made of. So
that was kind of an exciting day.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
One of the things That's important about being in a courtroom.
That is different, even if you're able to watch some
of the proceedings on television, is you can actually watch
the jury react to the testimony, to the judge, to
the lawyers, to the defendant. How would you assess the jury?
Have they been engaged, have they been responsive or a
(35:37):
motive in any way based on what you've seen from
the testimony. Take us into their world so far as
you can see it.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
So far, they've been pretty emotionless. I would say there's
there's been a few moments that have elicited some giggles,
of course, but for the most part, you know, a
smile there or smile here, it's not really you really
can't tell. I mean, they all have got pretty good
poker faces. So I'm not getting anything from them. The
only thing that I'm getting from them is really like
(36:08):
intense stares, you know, like when they're watching because we
are watching it's almost like watching game tape. It's gruesome, right,
We're watching the video over and over and over of
this actual this incident, which was taken by a journalist
who is on the scene. So they have this basically
like six minute video close to six minute video and
(36:30):
we're just parsing it, just going back and forth. It
really feels like game film, and so I feel like
they have very intense stares at the screen, but there's
no real there's no tells. I can't say there's really
any tells.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Am I right.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
We're speaking to Christian Fleming from the New York Post,
who's been doing great reporting on the Daniel Penny trial,
day in and day out in the courtroom writing for
the New York Post. So my understanding is you're following
this obviously much more closely that there. I mean that
Jordan Neely did have a pulse after and when police arrived.
(37:08):
Is that correct? Has that been definitively entered into the record.
What can you because that obviously goes to if he's
still alive after the choke hold, is no longer a
choke hold. That brings into questions some of the things
that are being said by the prosecution.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Yeah, so, I mean the Emmy explained it that he
basically died. His brain died first. So when you're your
brain dies first, your circulatory system is the heart still
pumping a little bit. So it's common to have a
pulse for about ten minutes after expiration. So that was
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explained away.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Gotcha because I saw I saw the reporting on that,
and just from the from the way that the witnesses,
I mean, because I think this is really just going
to be ultimately a reasonable man test in terms of
the use of force here, or really is this about
excessive force more than anything else? Is that it seems
to me like, based again you're there, but based on
(38:05):
just the reports that I've read that the prosecution seems
to say, Look, that he stepped in, isn't the problem.
It's that he held him too long.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Yeah, the actual words, or he went too far, and
that's what they're alleging. But here's the thing. It's that
you can't really tell. No one can actually tell what
kind of pressure he's applying. Like you can't look at
that video and definitively say, oh, yeah, he was applying
this consistent pressure after he had passed out, Like, no
(38:35):
one can actually definitively say that. So that's where I
kind of struggle. Like the word pressure, you know, it's
a loaded word in this case, right, I Mean, there's
pressure all around it, but the actual no one can
really definitively say yeah, like he I can see from
this angle, he's you know, he still has the pressure
because the angles changed too, and the movement's changed. So
(38:58):
it's really, as much as we have this record of
what happened, it's again like to see it play over
and over again. You can't definitively say, you know, it's
not you know, I'm talking about game tape, but you know,
we don't have multi angle cameras. You know, it was
just one guy with a cell phone. And there was
another video taken by like an eighteen year old girl,
(39:20):
and you know, they keep using it, but you can't
really see much from that either. So that's really the
the crux of it is that they're not saying that
his intentions were bad. They're saying he went too far,
and they that he did not see Jordan Neely's humanity
on the train that day.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Kirsten, I asked you about the jury and how you
think they're reacting. I can't even imagine being Daniel Penny
because you're on that subway. It's not like you're intending
for this to occur. How would you say he has
appeared sitting at that defense table, and how do you
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think the jury is perceiving him, because it is true
that it's such a challenge for the defendant to be
there knowing that he has to not only hear what
people are saying, but know that people are watching how
he responds to what people are saying.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's a very strange dynamic, it is.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
And in fact, I keep trying to see if I
can see him turn his head like towards the screen,
and he very rarely does. He seems to stare straight ahead.
I've only really seen him lean over and talk to
his lawyer once he is I mean the posture to
die for. I mean, you could put a portrait plus
(40:39):
on his back. I mean that's how just like he's
so stoic, he gives you really nothing. And that's why,
you know, we have the video of him getting interrogated
where you actually hear his voice for the first time,
which a lot of people, which is making the rounds
on social media right now, and everyone's going, don't talk
to them, get a lawyer. You know, everyone like panicking
(41:01):
like watching it. You know, you can see he's he
has that moment where he thinks he's going in to
help them, and then he realizes, oh crap, you know,
I mean people, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Let me I'm sorry to cut you off, but let
me say, as a lawyer, even if you think you
have done nothing wrong, when they ask you to go
and sit and they start quizzing you, you're right. That
video of the interrogation has begun to go viral on
social media. He totally thinks that he is just being
a good guy and they are taking advantage of the
fact that he is talking to the media.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
You always need a lawyer. You always need a lawyer.
You always need a lawyer. Sorry to cut you off,
but I just want our audience to hear that.
Speaker 7 (41:41):
No that I mean, that's just been the consensus. Everyone's
like having to, you know, sort of freak out over it.
But you know, that's the only time you really hear
his voice. And now when the defense, when the when
the prosecution rested and the defense came in and they'd
have some character witnesses. What was interesting about it was that,
you know, we didn't we really didn't know much about him.
You know, there's been so many pieces on Jordan Neely
(42:03):
and his life, which was very tragic. You know, it's
very very sad case, but you know, don't know much
about Penny and you know it's again like you heard
from his family, his mother, his sister, some marine buddies,
and you know, it kind of gave you a sense
that he's sort of a soft spoken surfer bro, you know,
like he's not this hot head, crazy guy this is
(42:25):
according to them, and you kind of see it in
the video that he's not this like alpha jar head
who's like a drift, you know. He really just kind
of seems like a gentle guy, like, hey, oh, I
thought I was doing the right thing, so you know.
That's so it was interesting to actually hear some of
the character witnesses talk about him and who he was.
(42:47):
He's a really good student. He played the bass in
the orchestra, like the big stand up bas thing. You
know that seems to go against character what you think
of him. So yeah, that was a really interesting day.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I thought, person last question quickly here for you, and
we appreciate you. Encourage you to go follow Kirsten Fleming
and read her work at the New York Post. When
do we expect this case to go to the jury?
Do we have a sense for when we're going to
get a resolution here?
Speaker 7 (43:12):
So the judge said yesterday today's the first day I'm
not in court. I'm actually off today, but the judge
said yesterday that we could expect to go into the
I think somebations early.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Next week, so sometime after Thanksgiving this will go to
the jury, probably because I imagine they'd give them Thanksgiving off.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We appreciate the time. Keep up the good work and
we'll get an update from you maybe when we get
closer to an actual verdict.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Great. Thanks so much, I appreciate it. Have a good weekend, guys, for.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Sure, you too.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
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Sometimes all you.
Speaker 8 (44:54):
Can do is laugh, and they do a lot of
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Speaker 1 (45:09):
Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in
play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We roll into Thanksgiving week. Congratulations again
to Buck Sexton and Carrie who announced that they are
going to be having a baby boy in April. And
(45:31):
since that announcement we have been absolutely deluged in so
many feedback congratulations. I'm sure Buck you can barely keep
up with it yourself. I did want to point out
that our good friend Jesse Kelly decided to weigh in
and said, do we know if there's some kind of
record keeping body that tracks which baby has been born
with the thickest head of hair in human history? Because
(45:54):
whatever baby is currently in the top spot is about
to be second place. So that is Jesse's immediate reaction.
I will say, thank you Jesse very much. Jesse's a great,
a great dad in his own right.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I will say that despite some of these rubors, I
am no relation to that fan in the stands at
an SEC game with the Harris viral.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yes, I mean, I know we look related.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
If those of those of you who know what I'm
talking about and know what I'm talking about, maybe people
will find this on the social media. But everyone asking
me to like is this said, No, I do not
have a long I don't know how old that guy was.
I don't know if he could. Yeah, he's probably like
twenty or something, right, Yes, college, h kidd, I think yeah, college.
I mean, so theoretically he could be my son, but
he is not, in fact my son.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That was not true, By the way.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I wanted to mention this because we just talked thanks
to Kirsten Fleming, who was giving us the absolute latest
on the Daniel Penny case, because that case has really,
I think, flown under the radar a bit because it's
happening right as the election voting is taking place election
season in general. The absolute latest on the Trump lawfair
is that it continues to collapse in record time. In
(47:09):
particular Buck earlier today Judge Mrchand this is the New
York City Business Record so called hush money case, has
decided that he is not going to sentence Trump, and
they are going to allow Trump to continue his motion
to dismiss that case. I think that case is going
(47:30):
to get completely tossed. Buck, and this law fair against Trump,
which is clearly self evidently lawfair if you ever questioned it,
because as soon as he won the election, Jack Smith
drops all of his cases and now basically Judge Murchan
is like, yeah, we're not going to sentence. We're not
(47:50):
going to do anything with this. If it was really
imperative that there be charges filed in this case, then
the fact that Trump won the election wouldn't in any
way have changed the overall trajectory of the case. In
other words, and Buck, we've used this for an example.
If Trump had been driving a car and he had
hit somebody and there was an accusation that he had
(48:12):
been drinking, that case wouldn't go away just because he's
president of the United States. It would maintain itself because
the general rule is no one is above the law.
I think Kat Tempt said at the first time the
first person that I heard, no one is below the
law either. And I think what you're seeing with all
of these cases is they tried to drag Trump down
(48:35):
with all of these legal proceedings because they were afraid
of him winning the presidency. And now he has and
they're like, oh, this didn't work.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
That dynamic is very important for him to understand. If
you're going to break the precedent of never having a
former president and also a now future president indicted, it
should have been the most clear cut and you know agree,
it should have been a malum in say, not a
(49:06):
malum prohibitum. Right, these are the Latin terms. Malaman say
it's just bad, like killing a little old lady on
the street for no reason. Maluman say, doesn't matter what
the law says. You know that's bad, you know that's immoral.
Malim prohibitum is like, oh, you know you didn't put
this on your taxes properly, and so we got an
issue with that or something, right, I mean, it's something
(49:27):
that's not really an ethical thing. It's kind of just
the state says it's bad, therefore you can be punished
for it. They went with something even like it wasn't
even malum prohibit it was just made up nonsense.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
There was no there was no underlying crime.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And so to do it under those pre under that pretext,
I think is particularly egregious. Clay and one of the
things that actually felt the best about the Trump win.
And this is enduring and this will be true no
matter what is that the first effort to determine a
presidential through Blatant's continuous lawfare failed and that's very important
(50:07):
for the republic that has real lasting meaning.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I do want to play this cut for you and
then we'll have some fun to close out the final
segment before we head into Thanksgiving week. We have got
Joy Reid telling everybody that if you have family members
that voted for Trump, you need to stay away from them.
This is really what's going on on MSNBC. I think
(50:32):
you need to hear it. Here's Joy Reid broken brain,
discussing Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
In the wake of the election.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
People are rightfully alarmed. They have a reason to be alarmed.
And if you would vote for that, people may not
feel so confident that there's afe of you. This is
not crazy. This is legitimate feelings, a fear of you,
and a feeling that you might not be someone that
could trust. If this thing goes way south, ah, potocracy
(51:00):
go south real fast, and things get ugly and people
get asked to do things and turn people in and
point people out and turn on them. And if you're
voting affirmatively, gleefully for this, people might I don't know,
may not feel so confident in you anymore. That's real
(51:22):
and you kind of have to live with it. So
if you think that you can vote for what people
see as their destruction and then demand that they still
are cool with you and kikey with you and have
Thanksgiving with you. Like, I think you're kind of missing
the point of what people are said about. They're afraid,
and autocracy and fascism are things that are legitimate to
(51:44):
be afraid of, So you may want to step back.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
We don't have to live in her delusion. You don't
have any mandate to live in this fantasy world that
she's portraying of an autocracy that is going to do
horrible things to people. You know, and for anybody who's
going to say all this stuff about the illegal immigration
issue coming up, why doesn't Congress change the law so
(52:11):
they're not illegal?
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Okay? Blame the people on both sides of the guile.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
If you're an open border zealot for making laws that
make them illegal.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
You know, this is just nuts.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Do you think that Joy Reid really believes what she
is saying, because she's I think she's exectually she's nuts.
He's a moron basically, because it was clear, like whatever
you think about Joe Scarborough and Mika as soon as
they went to go meet actors actors, let me tell
you something right now, okay, And I wish there's a
(52:45):
way we could try this if.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Fox News offered Joe Scarborough a nice, fat contract to
be the number one Trump supporter in the media, I mean,
I mean to make you and me look like radical lefts.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
I mean you just sit there just shining Trump's throne.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
He would take it. He would take it, no doubt
about it. He'd be like, Wow, I've learned my lesson.
Now it's time for me to bring my swoop of
hair and Miko over to Fox News. He'd be all
about it, wouldn't miss a beat. I think you're right,
And I'm not sure if that's better or worse, because
that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's a really good question, right, because joy Reid appears
to be a total moron whose brain is broken. But
I think I'm with you that I believe she believes
what she's saying. She's convinced herself of it.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Look, she's she's you know, she is you know, she
speaks well, she she presents well on TV, and she
obviously has a skill set.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
And you know, so when we.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
Say I think it's more a belief thing, it's almost
like like anti trump Ism. She's a true lichiever. She's
a true believer in this. I mean, yeah, I don't
think she's like especially brilliant or anything. I don't think
she's ticularly right, But I mean, she's not an idiot,
Like she could know the truth here if she wanted to,
or I wanted to assume the right thing. I mean,
(54:07):
it's it's almost like a degree of brainwashing or self
brainwashing or self radicalization really is what you could call it,
because she's convinced herself and many other leftists are like
this too, many other MSNBC hosts. We can parse it
though to your point, Morning Joe is not one of them.
He's not a true believers. Why ask for a meeting
with Donald Trump? If you truly believed he was Hitler
(54:28):
and he was going to destroy American democracy, wouldn't you
just wouldn't do it?
Speaker 7 (54:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Like if I thought that Kamala Harris was Hitler, I
wouldn't be like, hey, can we have breakfast together?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
I wouldn't show up for brunch.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So I think you can eliminate mourning Joe and Mika
and did you see Buch Their audience is furious with them.
Their ratings have now hit a four year low since
they had that meeting.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Can I just say I actually want to give a
little round of like, not applause, maybe golf clap to
the MSNBC audience. You're not absolute marks, you know, you're
not absolute buffoons who enjoy being conned because the hosts
that you had were conning you.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Okay, so I'm happy to see that at least.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
There is some consequence for the most blatant kind of
unprofessional dishonesty. It's not even just it's not I disagree
with them, right, I mean, there's lots people I disagree with,
but they stick to what they say.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
And it's that there. They were really.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Condescending to the audience, and they're the most egregious example
of it. And some people, even though they can't see
the truth about Trump, at least recognize. Oh so we
were being scammed by these hosts because they were.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
We'll take some of your calls to finish out the week,
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pick yesterday?
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I did say always bet on mister Pickles, and then
things got a little wilds Pickles got into a fight
George Pickens.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
In case you're wondering at the end of the game.
Great game in the snow, but it did not go
well for Pickles. Pickles got into it. Let's see what
his stats were. I'm pulling those up right now because
I do want to see if he did have a
good game or not. And Pickens had four catches for
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the day right, good start for the show.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I had to I've been all over the place.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
I just landed back from La Buck appreciate him having
the show yesterday. As boy George Pickles got into a
big fight in the snow. It was awesome fun game
last night. Did you did you give out prize picks picks?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I did, and I said always bet on Pickles never
lets us down.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know how Pickles did overall.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I do know that legitimately in the snow, he ended
the game in a huge fight with and then blame
the loss on.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
The snow, which is an interesting move.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
But we'll dive into that. Have some fun with that.
As many of you, I am sure, are set to
begin holiday travel or maybe you already have. I know
my wife and at least one of my sons are
going to be on the road during the course of
today's show. I know there's a lot of different moving
parts for many of you across the country, and but
(01:00):
there we're going to have some fun. Here is on
the Friday edition of the program. But big picture as
we sit here, congratulations to Dave McCormick. We have said
it on the show for some time that he was
going to be the winner of.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That Pennsylvania Senate seat.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Finally, Bob Casey yesterday afternoon evening conceded. So this basically
ends all of the statewide races, whether it's governor, whether
it's Senate, certainly, whether it's who won the presidency, and
so Republicans will have fifty three seats in the Senate.
Bob Casey, after eighteen years loses. Congratulations Senator Dave McCormick
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from Pennsylvania, and congratulations to all of you Pennsylvanians, because
not only did you flip a Senate seat, but you
also put Donald Trump back in the White House.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is important, Buck.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Because we have a lot of different moving parts as
it pertains to the cabinet, many decisions still to be made.
Yesterday you had the decision by Matt Gates to drop out.
I'm sure you talk quite a lot about that. Pam
Bondi has now been nominated former Florida Attorney General as
the attorney general nominee going forward. Very well connected with
(02:16):
Susie Wiles, but there are a lot of Floridians. You
are a Floridian Now that are a part of a
Trump two point zero regime. A lot of people being elevated.
That makes some sense because Susie Wilds did a great
job as campaign manager. She knows everyone in Florida very well.
We were going to talk with Nancy Mace about a
(02:37):
big bathroom issue. She had to cancel. It's quite a
chaotic for her. She's gonna be on with us maybe
next week. But Pete Hegseth is now the focal point.
Now that Matt Gates is out, they are turning everything
they have on Pete heg Seth, who is the nominee
(02:57):
for the Defense secretary. And so this is the newest battleground. Buck,
You've known Pete Hegseth for a long time. You agree
with me that basically. Now as he goes around, I
think he's gonna get confirmed. But he is the new man,
next man up, so to speak. On the target list.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Oh absolutely, And I think that for whatever the strategy
was to putting Gates forward, it has with this step
down from the nomination encouraged the Democrats. There's a blood
in the water, so to speak, now around Trump's nominees. Now,
maybe that works against them, But right now, I think
(03:36):
it has encouraged them and they think that they can
make a statement now by taking down other nominees. And yes,
our friend Pete Hesset is next in their metaphorical crosshairs.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
So the target so.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Far, and again I'm trying to kind of focus on
it while both of us know Pete well the target
right now, and correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Buck seems to be a twenty seventeen incident at a
Monterey Republican speaking dinner where a woman alleged that they
(04:13):
had a relationship and that he had behaved inappropriately. They
signed an NDA and.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
She alleged sexual assault. He says it was consensual. That's
the and the information you can read. There's an extensive
story about this. There's some let's just say this. I
have to keep coming back to this clay. If there
were sufficient evidence, why no charge?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Correct? They investigated it and determined there was no criminality.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
It's one thing to say someone's been charged and you
still believe they have a presumption of innocence. What is
the presumption of innocence supposed to be when.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
There's been no charge? Even? Do you know what I mean? Percent?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I understand it's only court of public opinion, but there's
inherently this challenge that is left for people of how
can you defend yourself when there's no process through which
to defend yourself. There are some very Alex Bearnson picked
up on this on X. There are some reasons to
look it was an It was a highly unfortunate situation,
(05:12):
you know, even if it wasn't a crime. Just putting
that out there not a thing that should have gone down.
I'm not trying to cast judgment or expursions. It's just
not point being. It does not seem to have the
elements of a crime based on what I was able
to read. I know Pete, I like Pete. I'm not
I'm not unbiased in this process. But this is what
(05:32):
they're doing now. They're they're getting all these accusations, and
when they've when they've done things like Havanaugh and then
the thirty year old allegation against Trump, what are.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
We supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We know they've I know they've lied about other people,
meaning the media. Yes, I know the media has lied
about other Republicans. So I'm just going to take every
allegation they make at face value.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Of course, not. I want process, I want proof.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I actually think some of these details matter, and i'm
you know, specifically, she he was drunk. There is video
of them walking together to his hotel room, and she
went into his hotel room. Okay, for anyone out there,
male or female, if you are drinking at a bar
(06:16):
and you both voluntarily go into a hotel room, which
there is video of that occurring, that is the open
public evidence that we have. I'm not saying that going
into a hotel room guarantees that everything is consensual inside
the hotel room. I'm saying for most men and women,
(06:36):
most men and women out there, I think if you
are drinking at a bar and you go into a
hotel room with someone else, and it's clear that it
was voluntary and that you were making a choice to
go into that hotel room, I think it's hard to say, hey,
then all of these things that were totally non consensual happened.
(06:59):
Now doesn't mean that that's not it can't happen, but
just on a at that point, it's one billion percent,
he said, She said, because there's gonna be no witnesses otherwise,
I think for most people going into a hotel room
when you've been drinking with somebody at a bar. She
has a husband, It comes.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
There at the hotel with his children as well, so
her family was there during the To be clear, there's
an agreement that there was a sexual encounter that is
on the record that birth parties say that happened. Pete
is saying it was absolutely consensual. He was actually quite drunk.
There's there's evidence that she was not in fact and
nearbrid at all. She has intimated that she may have
(07:43):
been drugged by somebody, but nobody Yeah, roof, yes, nobody
has any you know, there's no evidence of that other
than her saying that she thinks that may have happened,
and she went to the She went to the hospital
four days after the incident.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know they're there.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Look, we're for we're being forced to he would judicate
something ugly in the court of public opinion without a
judicial process.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
So this is if I just look at it, buck
as like I try to take everybody at face value
and analyze the situation. He was in the process of
being divorced at the time. So what do you think
is more likely that she went to his room voluntarily
and he raped her there. That's her basic accusation, or
(08:28):
her husband found out that she went to his room,
was not happy about it, and she had to come
up with a story for why she didn't misbehave in
their relationship in some way. To me, this isn't a
very difficult the situation to analyze. As the cops looked
at it, I think they probably found that to be
the most likely outcome.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't believe Pete hagg Seth committed a crime. That's
just reading all the evidence and all the reports and
all that. I do not believe Pete hagg Seth committed crime,
which is another way of saying I don't believe he
did anything legally wrong. Now correct the incident itself. Well,
Whether you want to get into the sort of morality
and ethics of these things, I leave to the individuals
(09:06):
who can make determinations about whether it is more important
to them to have Pete in a senior role of
the government or to set a standard of personal conduct
that you're then going to enforce on public officials. That's
a voter policy public or public policy and voter decision,
that's not a law enforcement decision. That's I think a
(09:27):
critical distinction. I also think this is important what you
said a little bit earlier. They have lost all benefit
of the doubt. And the real loser here, I would submit,
is women that are actual victims of crimes. Because when
you try to put someone forward in the Brett Kavanaugh
case and say, oh, my goodness, this woman is a
victim of sexual assault, and when you are consistently even
(09:50):
the case that they came brought against Trump thirty years later,
when he's inside of a department store, people who are
actual victims of rape are less likely to be believed
because they have a put forward people that I believe
are not victims of crime, which we can attack people
for political reasons. Yeah, we can go through so many
(10:11):
versions of this. Clay, Why wasn't Biden's accuser who can
prove that she spent a lot of time with him,
time alone with him?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
You know, no one disputed those facts.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It's not like I don't know what year it happened,
and I don't know where, and I don't know who, and.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That was the Blasi Ford routine.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I know nothing other than don't make this man a
Supreme Court justice, because women need to be able to
have abortions all nine months of a pregnancy. That was
her actual allegation. But you look at the Biden allegation,
and people didn't take that seriously in the media at least,
I know a lot of you took it seriously, but
in the media they ignored it. You look at the
allegations against Bill Clinton, people don't take those seriously. On
the record named women saying this is what happened. We
(10:51):
know that Bill Clinton is a crazy philanderer. I mean
that's not that's a matter of fact, right, It's just
did he actually violate you know, did he get have
a non consentual that it's actually assault somebody to break
the law. That's the allegation that was out there. So,
you know, Clay, here we are and they're trying to
take down everybody around Trump that they can. They're already
(11:12):
going they're gonna drudge up I'm sure as many creepy
stories about Elon as they can. Uh, just going to
people who maybe have an axe to grind, maybe women
who feel they didn't get promoted. You can see now
this is the whole routine. They're going to try to
slime and smear everybody coming in around Trump, and unfortunately,
I think the map Gate situation. Whatever one thinks about it,
(11:32):
it has definitely encouraged the opponents of the Trump administration
to go deeper and go harder.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And the other thing that I would say about this
is the ultimate impact, I think is a lot of
people who would be very good at public service just
say it's not worth it. If there's somebody out there
that's going to say anything negative about you, if you
got divorced, if you had a significant other relationship that
didn't go well at some point in time.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
A lot of people, I.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Think probably the majority of people are just like, it's
not worth it for me and my family today. If
the standard is hey, if somebody upset it you thirty
years ago because of the politics that you might have today,
I think there are very few guys and there are
very few gals out there, I would argue as well,
where there isn't somebody who has a reason to not
like you and wants to tear you down, and the
(12:23):
media basically is out there looking for it. So I
think everybody needs to be prepared for it. And I
think to a large extent, the me too era buck
in my opinion, has been adjudicated found to have drastically overreached,
and both men and women out there were back to
where we were before the whole Me too era started,
(12:44):
which is, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
They're still doing it though, Clay. This is that they're
still going to this well, and they have not abandoned
this as the primary weapon. And look, you know, people
don't Not everybody has like trafficked infentanol. Not everybody has
killed somebody, right, Yeah, most people have had sexual encounters
in their life.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
So it's a very easy thing to lie about.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Right if someone said, oh, you know Petexend was trafficking
you know, Colombian cocaine twenty years ago, like, well, clearly not.
But he slept with a woman under murky circumstances. And
now there's this is how they jam people up because
this is a thing people have, you know, relationships, sexual relationships.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Everyone pretty much does.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And also, by the way, Bucky signed the NDA during
the Me Too era when he was concerned that if
this comes out, even if it's not true, it's gonna
cost him a job. This is why I've said for
some time like these NDAs don't even have any value anymore,
you pay, Like, look what happened with Trump with the
stormy Daniels NDA. There's basically no point in ever signing
an NDA because it comes out publicly at some point
(13:47):
and it makes you look like you're guilty of something
if you ever signed one of these things.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I also feel like at some point we just have
to understand as a society. If the new standard is
that somebody can say you grope them thirty years ago
at a party when people were drunk, and you have
no memory of this person or even meeting them, but
you're you're just insisting on this, they can take down anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
No, nobody can actually defend against that. I mean, there's
there's a reason why.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
What's crazy is that Kavanaugh actually had that ridiculous calendar
that actually had records of all the things that he did, which.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
I mean he that came to his benefit. Most people
don't have that. Yeah, they tried to. They tried to
turn a choir boy into a serial rapist. Okay, they
actually Kamala Harris led that charge. I have not forgotten it.
None of us should forget it, and we have to
take that into account when they roll out this routine
and I'm sorry, but you're gonna it's it's gonna get
dirtier folks. They're gonna are gonna come after people more anyway, Clay,
(14:42):
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
Hey, it's Buck Sexton from our home to yours. Have
a wonderful Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck Show. Before
we get back into all of the news, this is
my last day to chat with you until after Thanksgiving
because I'm off next week. Clay will be in for
a few days Rocket and Solo, but I'm taken next
week off, going to be with my family up in NYC.
(16:25):
And I wanted to just say, as we're going into Thanksgiving,
how thankful I am for all of you, for your confidence,
your friendship, your listenership. Also for Clay as a phenomenal
co host, and for our team, the team that in
many cases was with Rush for over twenty years. They've
(16:46):
stayed with us, have a beautiful family, a lot to
be thankful for. Clay has a beautiful family and a
lot to be thankful for. So we just appreciate all
of you so very much, and you let us do
what I think is the greatest job in the world, truly,
and I Claiy know as I was saying this, there
was no job that I would leave this job for,
even you know, even some of these crazy big jobs
(17:07):
that people are talking about it right now, the administration.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I love what we do.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I love what I get to do every day, very grateful,
and I wanted to make a little special announcement because
some of you have been asking about this for a while.
So my wife Carrie, whom I love more than anything
and is incredible and phenomenal, and she's bringing ginger apparently
for you. Those of you can see the video. Honey,
would you come around please. I haven't brought Carrie on
the radio before, but I just wanted her to tell
(17:31):
you all, as we are going to Thanksgiving what we
are particularly thankful for this year.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Go ahead, honey, We're having a baby in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's very exciting. Love you, honey, Love you.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And then we got that so cute, So everybody out there,
bring her back again, because I think that was a
little bit hard to hear. She's got ginger for people
on video. Carrie, you just told everybody incredible news. Twenty
twenty five. You guys are going to be adding a
baby to the family and it's due in We got
(18:04):
a baby. So how are you? How is Carrie feeling?
Everybody wants to know, and is it a boy or
a girl? Can you tell us? Can you tell us
boy or girl?
Speaker 5 (18:13):
It's a boy, a little James.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yep, baby boy, James.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
Baby.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well, first of all, this is amazing. Congratulations to Carrie
and she is doing.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Grateful for you all for always listening to claim Buck
and love meeting you around the country, whether it's an
airport in New City or even around here in Miami.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
So sorry, this is such awesome news, Buck, congratulations to
both give you. Carrie is feeling well right, She's doing well.
Baby is scheduled in April. We can say that, I
think now, so for all of us, a great little
bundle of joy rolling into the holiday season. It's funny now, Buck,
(18:53):
because I think you could probably say it. Now, what
are the ads that you were doing? It's actually for IFCJ.
You said during the conversation. Some people might have heard.
Oh and we had a moment it came to me
like people were like, is Buck having a baby?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like not very many people heard. But so this is
actually a good a good lesson. I love you, honey.
This is a good lesson about media in general, or
just the world that we live in, which is all
all guns are always loaded, all mics are always live.
We just had a little bit of a mic thing
where it was open. After the show, we were doing
a little taping, and I spoke to Yaile, who's become
(19:32):
a dear friend of ours from IFCJ, and I let
her know that Clay is going to Israel, but I'm
going to be staying back here because I want to
make sure that I'm here to help carry because she's
pregnant and we're you know, we're getting it. We got
like ultrasounds and all these great things that we're doing now,
and we wanted to wait, as a lot of people
who have had kids understand a few months into things
before telling everybody, because you know, you don't know until
(19:55):
things get a little bit further in how it's going
to go. And now the odds are are are certainly favorable.
So yeah, we just want to tell you all. And
I appreciate those of you who I love. What they're
asking is like, when are you guys gonna have a baby?
I'm like, look, we're putting in the time.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I don't know what to like.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, it's uh, it's a little bit in God's hands,
or a lot of it in God's hands, and we're very,
very blessed and very thankful. I've wanted to be a
dad for a long time, and so we got a
little one on the way. So now this is where
there's a whole new thing coming on the show, where
like Clay is about to turn into the veteran cop.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Who's like, look, rookie, you don't even know what's coming
your way. You're gonna be changing diapers at three am.
You're not gonna know what time time. And we're.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Gavin is my new voice. So I want to open
up phone lines because we have a lot to be
thankful for all over the country, and I know many
of you do too. I want let's have some advice
coming in for buck here in this hour. Well we'll
go back to serious things in the third hour. We'll
hit into some of that. But eight hundred and two
(21:01):
two eight eight two for baby one, it is.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Hard to But here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
What I what I told Buck, I said, one take
a baby moon, and that has become more common for
those of you out there. When we had hours, it
was just kind of starting. But it is before you
have that baby, and you're gonna have a lot of
responsibility and it's gonna be chaotic no matter who you
are go on a trip, particularly before you have your first.
(21:28):
So you guys are gonna take a really good trip
during Christmas, Buck, you and carry are gonna get away
a little bit. That was my number one piece of
advice because it's hard if you until you have that kid,
you don't know. So you took that piece of advice.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, it's funny, Clay all.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
You know, sometimes we chat, well we always chat on
the commercial breaks, but we'll get into some random things.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
He's like, so, what are you gonna do if the
baby was born? Like what's the plan?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And it was kind of like, I don't know, Like
don't we just like feed it and make sure it
gets enough naps?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
He's like, no, no, no, dude, it's gonna be more than
just like feeding it and giving it naps.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Like, how is the schedule gonna work for you?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So yeah, well, I was just saying, because the baby
is doing April, and I'm like, hey, have you thought
about what your situation is gonna be? Are you gonna
take a certain amount of time off? Have you planned out?
Have you thought because you do your show from home?
I was like, have you thought about, you know, with
a newborn crying at all hours and up at all hours?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like, how this is gonna And.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I remember this because I think a lot of you
who are dads out there women think about having babies.
I'm gonna be honest with you. From the moment that
you can start carrying around a baby doll, women are
aware about what babies require. They are cognizant of knowledge,
much like with weddings. Most men, I don't know if
(22:49):
this was your experience. I had no idea about babies.
And some of you may be different if you have
like much younger siblings and so you've been around baby.
I didn't have that. I've got to Shrew's two years younger,
but I don't remember her being a baby really, and
so I had no idea what I was walking into.
Same thing with the wedding like, I didn't know anything
(23:09):
about weddings, like women have thought about having babies and
having weddings in a way that virtually no man, ever,
no straight man anyway, ever has in his life. So
when I'm talking with you, I've been through three times, yes,
but I was totally clueless the first one I had known.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
They was asking all these questions. He's like, so what
are you gonna do and what's the schedule?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And I was like, ah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I thought we just the baby happens and then we
come home and then you know, like you just it cries,
you feed it. I don't know, I'm gonna learn some
things here. So also we'd love for I know what
we got so many people. If you have any particular
baby advice, Carrie squared Away she's got this. She's like,
she's all prepped and ready to roll like mom for women,
(23:51):
it's gonna be She's.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Gonna be amazing more things about having babies that men
never even contemplate. If you have new dad advice, okay,
new dad advice like stuff that you would wish that
you had known for your first one. By the way,
where you're going into number one, you know, maybe God
will bless us with a second or a third or
we'll see. But if you're going into number one, what
(24:14):
do you as a guy? Okay, Carrie doesn't need any help,
she's got to score away. What do you as a guy?
I wish you had known beforehand, because it was really funny.
Clay was asking all his questions. I had no idea.
It's like, I don't I don't even know. I had
to think.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
About the things that Clay was asking and Carrie's like, yeah,
I've been thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I was like, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So yeah, well, it's a little bit different because you
work from home. So like for some dad, like a
lot of you out there that are dad's like, you
leave the home where the baby is and you go
to work and then you come back home to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Where the baby is.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But I'm like, you have a studio in your place
down in Miami, which is going to be different. Also,
I would bet mother in law's you know her mom like,
there's just going to be women running through the house
at all hour, everywhere, which is good. You're fortunate to
have the ability to to have those assets.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Let's tell you something we were We were we had
dinner last night with a couple of good friends here
in Miami and the wife, who's lovely. It just sort
of was like, well, we're talking about baby stuff because
obviously they know, and she goes, well, the good news
is you only work three hours a day, and I
was like, whoa hold on a second, Okay, there is prep, madam.
There is many hours of getting geared up to do
(25:26):
this three hour impromptu performance every day.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
But I mean, technically it is a pretty great schedule.
So there's that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
So you may hear starting in the spring, maybe occasionally
a crying baby. I'm I'm super excited for you, because
it is just it's hard to explain what a transcendent
feeling you will have when the first baby arrives. And
I'm not taking shots at baby two or baby three
(25:55):
or baby four or maybe you know, you got eight
kids out there, they're all very special, but that very
first time where you have a baby that you're holding
and you're like, oh my goodness, it is a truly
unbelievable experience that is hard to even quantify for anyone,
and not only for you and Carrie Buck, but also
(26:16):
for your mom and dad. Like I'm already looking. My
boys are sixteen, fourteen, and ten now, and you know,
hopefully they are ways away still for marriage and having kids.
But I look around now as I get older, I'm like,
ten years from now is not that long. I had
my first kid when I was twenty eight, so my
you know, sixteen year old is twelve years difference from.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
How old I was when I had a kid. Grandpa
Clay on the radio is not that far off, my friend.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So that is really ideal because then you get all
the fun of the kid. But they but you don't
have to keep them all the time. That's what I
hear from the grandparents out there. You're like, hey, you know,
they're great, but there's a time where you're not on
the hook one hundred percent for them, which is the
best thing about being a grandparent. You can spoil them.
You don't have to worry about the precedent that you're
(27:04):
setting because you're not mom or dad.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But I'm so excited because I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Want to spoil it because we've known this was coming
for a while and I just didn't want to step
on anything or accidentally say anything out there. So I'm
glad that you were able to tell this whole audience,
and I know I can already tell. I just wanted
too to mentions flooded. People are just so excited. So
it's it's like it's a beautiful thing. And those of
you who are parents, I know that you.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Know you you've been able to experience this, and we've
you know, we're very excited. I didn't get married until
I was forty, and now I'm in my forties and
I'm having my.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
First kid, and it's all it's all gonna be great.
I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
And so yes, it's it's just I'm very grateful and
I'm very thankful, and going to Thanksgiving, I try to
think more about what these holidays actually mean other than
the delicious food and spending time with family. So, you know,
we have Clay. We have a lot to be grateful
for him, and you do. You have a beautiful, wonderful
why and three amazing kids, and you've got a great family,
(28:03):
and we have this incredible audience that really is just
we have friends all over the country, so you know,
it's almost like a little overwhelming. Sometimes this is really
a dream come true. And I appreciate all of you
so much. I really mean that from the bottom of
my heart.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
All right, let's have some fun advice for Buck dad.
Carrie is way smarter. She's a mom, She's on top
of things. She's she's squared away. It's like she's been
in Navy seal training for mom duty. What would you
think that Buck should know as a new first time
dad coming this spring, We're super excited for at eight
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Speaker 1 (30:02):
We are headed up to New York City right now,
where we'll dive into this a bit, maybe this hour.
The criminal convictions of Donald Trump and the Alvin Bragg
hush money business records case basically going up in smoke
now that Trump has won the election as well as
the popular vote. We'll give you a little bit of
(30:23):
a legal breakdown of where that is and how it's going. Also, again,
great news on the program, Buck and Carrie are going
to have a baby, and they're gonna have that baby
in the spring, and they just talked about it last week.
A lot of you wanting to weigh in, but if
you're just getting into your car, lots of good news
already on the program.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Now. We wanted to cover this story because I.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Feel like it has largely gotten ignored in the national
media because this case is taking place during the election season.
But we wanted to bring in Kirsten Flemings. She's a
New York Post features columnist and she's been the Daniel
Penny trial in New York City to refresh. Daniel Penny
was a former marine who was arrested for putting a
(31:08):
choke hold on someone who was threatening people he says
on the New York City subway. He's being charged with
felony charges for that. We'll get the details of how
that's going. We bring in now Kirsten, who has been
in that courtroom. Kirsten Fleming from the New York Post.
What should we know about the case? Kirsten, Thanks for
giving us the time here on this Friday for people
(31:30):
who haven't been able to follow it very much.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
What's going on so far?
Speaker 7 (31:35):
Well in the courtroom. I mean, it's been interesting because
the prosecution's witnesses are basically people who were on the
subway that you know that day, and a lot of
them have been so favorable for the defense. A lot
of them had said, oh my gosh, I thought I
was going to pass out. It was the most terrified
(31:56):
I've been. A lot of those people are very seasoned
subway rider, so this is not like, you know, I
came in town from Peoria, got on the subway and
I saw guy screaming and I freak doubt, you know,
Like these are all New Yorkers and they're used to that.
So the strongest witness they've had is the emmy who
(32:16):
was said it was definitively a choke hol that Neely
died from. And yesterday and it's still going on in
court now, the defense put forward an expert who said
that he didn't die from a choke hold, that he
died from combined effects or combined effects of schizophrenia, synthetic
marijuana use, the struggle, and a stickling event. So it's,
(32:41):
you know, who knows what's going to happen, but this
is what's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Hey, Christan appreciate you being with us, and I'm glad
that someone's down there to cover what's really going on.
I've wondered how is it in the court room, Like
there's some stuff on social media I've seen about how
there's a lot of uh, you know that that seems
like this is something that activists are very involved in
(33:06):
now and the people who are watching this it's very
it does a political feel. I mean, can you just
bring us into the courtroom, like what has it been
like and and what are you sensing from the proceedings
here about how it's going.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Well. I think that things have been going pretty well
for Penny, which is, you know, very good news obviously,
But there was one day when everything kind of erupted.
You know, there was like a woman who had to
be escorted out because she was wailing at an unnecessary time.
There was another woman who started to sort of weeping,
(33:40):
and you know, you can't have that that jury deserve
to have some sort of piece in that they don't
deserve to hear all of these outbursts. And then even
that day, one of the one of the Nealy supporters
got into a huge blowout with one of the cops
outside when we cut for a break to the point
where he was screaming at the guy saying, f your rules.
(34:03):
So that day was a big circus and the judge
had to kindly scold people, Hey, listen, the jury deserves
to not hear this. You cannot act this way. And
so things have been pretty good since. And you know,
they run a tight ship down there. There are protesters
every morning outside on their bullhorns. It tends to go
(34:24):
away by the time the jury is seated. But yeah,
I mean it's been a lot of Mealy supporters. It
doesn't feel I think like since that day that the
judge scolded everybody, I think it's kind of gone a
little bit more. I think controlled Yesterday was really contentious
(34:46):
with the with the defense expert who basically said that
he didn't dive from a joke hold. And by the way,
I would never render decision after only two days of
not actually seeing the toxicology report. So yeah, you know,
the the obviously on cross the ada was extremely aggressive
(35:07):
and it was I mean, it was really it was
like the stuff that courtun dramas are made of. So
that was kind of an exciting day.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
One of the things That's important about being in a courtroom.
That is different, even if you're able to watch some
of the proceedings on television, is you can actually watch
the jury react to the testimony, to the judge, to
the lawyers, to the defendant. How would you assess the jury?
Have they been engaged, have they been responsive or a
(35:37):
motive in any way based on what you've seen from
the testimony. Take us into their world so far as
you can see it.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
So far, they've been pretty emotionless. I would say there's
there's been a few moments that have elicited some giggles,
of course, but for the most part, you know, a
smile there or smile here, it's not really you really
can't tell. I mean, they all have got pretty good
poker faces. So I'm not getting anything from them. The
only thing that I'm getting from them is really like
(36:08):
intense stares, you know, like when they're watching because we
are watching it's almost like watching game tape. It's gruesome, right,
We're watching the video over and over and over of
this actual this incident, which was taken by a journalist
who is on the scene. So they have this basically
like six minute video close to six minute video and
(36:30):
we're just parsing it, just going back and forth. It
really feels like game film, and so I feel like
they have very intense stares at the screen, but there's
no real there's no tells. I can't say there's really
any tells.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Am I right.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
We're speaking to Christian Fleming from the New York Post,
who's been doing great reporting on the Daniel Penny trial,
day in and day out in the courtroom writing for
the New York Post. So my understanding is you're following
this obviously much more closely that there. I mean that
Jordan Neely did have a pulse after and when police arrived.
(37:08):
Is that correct? Has that been definitively entered into the record.
What can you because that obviously goes to if he's
still alive after the choke hold, is no longer a
choke hold. That brings into questions some of the things
that are being said by the prosecution.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Yeah, so, I mean the Emmy explained it that he
basically died. His brain died first. So when you're your
brain dies first, your circulatory system is the heart still
pumping a little bit. So it's common to have a
pulse for about ten minutes after expiration. So that was
(37:43):
explained away.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Gotcha because I saw I saw the reporting on that,
and just from the from the way that the witnesses,
I mean, because I think this is really just going
to be ultimately a reasonable man test in terms of
the use of force here, or really is this about
excessive force more than anything else? Is that it seems
to me like, based again you're there, but based on
(38:05):
just the reports that I've read that the prosecution seems
to say, Look, that he stepped in, isn't the problem.
It's that he held him too long.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
Yeah, the actual words, or he went too far, and
that's what they're alleging. But here's the thing. It's that
you can't really tell. No one can actually tell what
kind of pressure he's applying. Like you can't look at
that video and definitively say, oh, yeah, he was applying
this consistent pressure after he had passed out, Like, no
(38:35):
one can actually definitively say that. So that's where I
kind of struggle. Like the word pressure, you know, it's
a loaded word in this case, right, I Mean, there's
pressure all around it, but the actual no one can
really definitively say yeah, like he I can see from
this angle, he's you know, he still has the pressure
because the angles changed too, and the movement's changed. So
(38:58):
it's really, as much as we have this record of
what happened, it's again like to see it play over
and over again. You can't definitively say, you know, it's
not you know, I'm talking about game tape, but you know,
we don't have multi angle cameras. You know, it was
just one guy with a cell phone. And there was
another video taken by like an eighteen year old girl,
(39:20):
and you know, they keep using it, but you can't
really see much from that either. So that's really the
the crux of it is that they're not saying that
his intentions were bad. They're saying he went too far,
and they that he did not see Jordan Neely's humanity
on the train that day.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Kirsten, I asked you about the jury and how you
think they're reacting. I can't even imagine being Daniel Penny
because you're on that subway. It's not like you're intending
for this to occur. How would you say he has
appeared sitting at that defense table, and how do you
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think the jury is perceiving him, because it is true
that it's such a challenge for the defendant to be
there knowing that he has to not only hear what
people are saying, but know that people are watching how
he responds to what people are saying.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
It's a very strange dynamic, it is.
Speaker 7 (40:19):
And in fact, I keep trying to see if I
can see him turn his head like towards the screen,
and he very rarely does. He seems to stare straight ahead.
I've only really seen him lean over and talk to
his lawyer once he is I mean the posture to
die for. I mean, you could put a portrait plus
(40:39):
on his back. I mean that's how just like he's
so stoic, he gives you really nothing. And that's why,
you know, we have the video of him getting interrogated
where you actually hear his voice for the first time,
which a lot of people, which is making the rounds
on social media right now, and everyone's going, don't talk
to them, get a lawyer. You know, everyone like panicking
(41:01):
like watching it. You know, you can see he's he
has that moment where he thinks he's going in to
help them, and then he realizes, oh crap, you know,
I mean people, you know, and.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Let me I'm sorry to cut you off, but let
me say, as a lawyer, even if you think you
have done nothing wrong, when they ask you to go
and sit and they start quizzing you, you're right. That
video of the interrogation has begun to go viral on
social media. He totally thinks that he is just being
a good guy and they are taking advantage of the
fact that he is talking to the media.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
You always need a lawyer. You always need a lawyer.
You always need a lawyer. Sorry to cut you off,
but I just want our audience to hear that.
Speaker 7 (41:41):
No that I mean, that's just been the consensus. Everyone's
like having to, you know, sort of freak out over it.
But you know, that's the only time you really hear
his voice. And now when the defense, when the when
the prosecution rested and the defense came in and they'd
have some character witnesses. What was interesting about it was that,
you know, we didn't we really didn't know much about him.
You know, there's been so many pieces on Jordan Neely
(42:03):
and his life, which was very tragic. You know, it's
very very sad case, but you know, don't know much
about Penny and you know it's again like you heard
from his family, his mother, his sister, some marine buddies,
and you know, it kind of gave you a sense
that he's sort of a soft spoken surfer bro, you know,
like he's not this hot head, crazy guy this is
(42:25):
according to them, and you kind of see it in
the video that he's not this like alpha jar head
who's like a drift, you know. He really just kind
of seems like a gentle guy, like, hey, oh, I
thought I was doing the right thing, so you know.
That's so it was interesting to actually hear some of
the character witnesses talk about him and who he was.
(42:47):
He's a really good student. He played the bass in
the orchestra, like the big stand up bas thing. You
know that seems to go against character what you think
of him. So yeah, that was a really interesting day.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I thought, person last question quickly here for you, and
we appreciate you. Encourage you to go follow Kirsten Fleming
and read her work at the New York Post. When
do we expect this case to go to the jury?
Do we have a sense for when we're going to
get a resolution here?
Speaker 7 (43:12):
So the judge said yesterday today's the first day I'm
not in court. I'm actually off today, but the judge
said yesterday that we could expect to go into the
I think somebations early.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Next week, so sometime after Thanksgiving this will go to
the jury, probably because I imagine they'd give them Thanksgiving off.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
We appreciate the time. Keep up the good work and
we'll get an update from you maybe when we get
closer to an actual verdict.
Speaker 7 (43:38):
Great. Thanks so much, I appreciate it. Have a good weekend, guys, for.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Sure, you too.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
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Speaker 1 (45:09):
Clay Travis here, Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at
the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Welcome back in
play Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging
out with us. We roll into Thanksgiving week. Congratulations again
to Buck Sexton and Carrie who announced that they are
going to be having a baby boy in April. And
(45:31):
since that announcement we have been absolutely deluged in so
many feedback congratulations. I'm sure Buck you can barely keep
up with it yourself. I did want to point out
that our good friend Jesse Kelly decided to weigh in
and said, do we know if there's some kind of
record keeping body that tracks which baby has been born
with the thickest head of hair in human history? Because
(45:54):
whatever baby is currently in the top spot is about
to be second place. So that is Jesse's immediate reaction.
I will say, thank you Jesse very much. Jesse's a great,
a great dad in his own right.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
I will say that despite some of these rubors, I
am no relation to that fan in the stands at
an SEC game with the Harris viral.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yes, I mean, I know we look related.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
If those of those of you who know what I'm
talking about and know what I'm talking about, maybe people
will find this on the social media. But everyone asking
me to like is this said, No, I do not
have a long I don't know how old that guy was.
I don't know if he could. Yeah, he's probably like
twenty or something, right, Yes, college, h kidd, I think yeah, college.
I mean, so theoretically he could be my son, but
he is not, in fact my son.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That was not true, By the way.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I wanted to mention this because we just talked thanks
to Kirsten Fleming, who was giving us the absolute latest
on the Daniel Penny case, because that case has really,
I think, flown under the radar a bit because it's
happening right as the election voting is taking place election
season in general. The absolute latest on the Trump lawfair
is that it continues to collapse in record time. In
(47:09):
particular Buck earlier today Judge Mrchand this is the New
York City Business Record so called hush money case, has
decided that he is not going to sentence Trump, and
they are going to allow Trump to continue his motion
to dismiss that case. I think that case is going
(47:30):
to get completely tossed. Buck, and this law fair against Trump,
which is clearly self evidently lawfair if you ever questioned it,
because as soon as he won the election, Jack Smith
drops all of his cases and now basically Judge Murchan
is like, yeah, we're not going to sentence. We're not
(47:50):
going to do anything with this. If it was really
imperative that there be charges filed in this case, then
the fact that Trump won the election wouldn't in any
way have changed the overall trajectory of the case. In
other words, and Buck, we've used this for an example.
If Trump had been driving a car and he had
hit somebody and there was an accusation that he had
(48:12):
been drinking, that case wouldn't go away just because he's
president of the United States. It would maintain itself because
the general rule is no one is above the law.
I think Kat Tempt said at the first time the
first person that I heard, no one is below the
law either. And I think what you're seeing with all
of these cases is they tried to drag Trump down
(48:35):
with all of these legal proceedings because they were afraid
of him winning the presidency. And now he has and
they're like, oh, this didn't work.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
That dynamic is very important for him to understand. If
you're going to break the precedent of never having a
former president and also a now future president indicted, it
should have been the most clear cut and you know agree,
it should have been a malum in say, not a
(49:06):
malum prohibitum. Right, these are the Latin terms. Malaman say
it's just bad, like killing a little old lady on
the street for no reason. Maluman say, doesn't matter what
the law says. You know that's bad, you know that's immoral.
Malim prohibitum is like, oh, you know you didn't put
this on your taxes properly, and so we got an
issue with that or something, right, I mean, it's something
(49:27):
that's not really an ethical thing. It's kind of just
the state says it's bad, therefore you can be punished
for it. They went with something even like it wasn't
even malum prohibit it was just made up nonsense.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
There was no there was no underlying crime.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
And so to do it under those pre under that pretext,
I think is particularly egregious. Clay and one of the
things that actually felt the best about the Trump win.
And this is enduring and this will be true no
matter what is that the first effort to determine a
presidential through Blatant's continuous lawfare failed and that's very important
(50:07):
for the republic that has real lasting meaning.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
I do want to play this cut for you and
then we'll have some fun to close out the final
segment before we head into Thanksgiving week. We have got
Joy Reid telling everybody that if you have family members
that voted for Trump, you need to stay away from them.
This is really what's going on on MSNBC. I think
(50:32):
you need to hear it. Here's Joy Reid broken brain,
discussing Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
In the wake of the election.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
People are rightfully alarmed. They have a reason to be alarmed.
And if you would vote for that, people may not
feel so confident that there's afe of you. This is
not crazy. This is legitimate feelings, a fear of you,
and a feeling that you might not be someone that
could trust. If this thing goes way south, ah, potocracy
(51:00):
go south real fast, and things get ugly and people
get asked to do things and turn people in and
point people out and turn on them. And if you're
voting affirmatively, gleefully for this, people might I don't know,
may not feel so confident in you anymore. That's real
(51:22):
and you kind of have to live with it. So
if you think that you can vote for what people
see as their destruction and then demand that they still
are cool with you and kikey with you and have
Thanksgiving with you. Like, I think you're kind of missing
the point of what people are said about. They're afraid,
and autocracy and fascism are things that are legitimate to
(51:44):
be afraid of, So you may want to step back.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
We don't have to live in her delusion. You don't
have any mandate to live in this fantasy world that
she's portraying of an autocracy that is going to do
horrible things to people. You know, and for anybody who's
going to say all this stuff about the illegal immigration
issue coming up, why doesn't Congress change the law so
(52:11):
they're not illegal?
Speaker 2 (52:12):
Okay? Blame the people on both sides of the guile.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
If you're an open border zealot for making laws that
make them illegal.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
You know, this is just nuts.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Do you think that Joy Reid really believes what she
is saying, because she's I think she's exectually she's nuts.
He's a moron basically, because it was clear, like whatever
you think about Joe Scarborough and Mika as soon as
they went to go meet actors actors, let me tell
you something right now, okay, And I wish there's a
(52:45):
way we could try this if.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Fox News offered Joe Scarborough a nice, fat contract to
be the number one Trump supporter in the media, I mean,
I mean to make you and me look like radical lefts.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
I mean you just sit there just shining Trump's throne.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
He would take it. He would take it, no doubt
about it. He'd be like, Wow, I've learned my lesson.
Now it's time for me to bring my swoop of
hair and Miko over to Fox News. He'd be all
about it, wouldn't miss a beat. I think you're right,
And I'm not sure if that's better or worse, because
that's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
It's a really good question, right, because joy Reid appears
to be a total moron whose brain is broken. But
I think I'm with you that I believe she believes
what she's saying. She's convinced herself of it.
Speaker 3 (53:39):
Look, she's she's you know, she is you know, she
speaks well, she she presents well on TV, and she
obviously has a skill set.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
And you know, so when we.
Speaker 3 (53:47):
Say I think it's more a belief thing, it's almost
like like anti trump Ism. She's a true lichiever. She's
a true believer in this. I mean, yeah, I don't
think she's like especially brilliant or anything. I don't think
she's ticularly right, But I mean, she's not an idiot,
Like she could know the truth here if she wanted to,
or I wanted to assume the right thing. I mean,
(54:07):
it's it's almost like a degree of brainwashing or self
brainwashing or self radicalization really is what you could call it,
because she's convinced herself and many other leftists are like
this too, many other MSNBC hosts. We can parse it
though to your point, Morning Joe is not one of them.
He's not a true believers. Why ask for a meeting
with Donald Trump? If you truly believed he was Hitler
(54:28):
and he was going to destroy American democracy, wouldn't you
just wouldn't do it?
Speaker 7 (54:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (54:32):
Like if I thought that Kamala Harris was Hitler, I
wouldn't be like, hey, can we have breakfast together?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
I wouldn't show up for brunch.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
So I think you can eliminate mourning Joe and Mika
and did you see Buch Their audience is furious with them.
Their ratings have now hit a four year low since
they had that meeting.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Can I just say I actually want to give a
little round of like, not applause, maybe golf clap to
the MSNBC audience. You're not absolute marks, you know, you're
not absolute buffoons who enjoy being conned because the hosts
that you had were conning you.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Okay, so I'm happy to see that at least.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
There is some consequence for the most blatant kind of
unprofessional dishonesty. It's not even just it's not I disagree
with them, right, I mean, there's lots people I disagree with,
but they stick to what they say.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
And it's that there. They were really.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
Condescending to the audience, and they're the most egregious example
of it. And some people, even though they can't see
the truth about Trump, at least recognize. Oh so we
were being scammed by these hosts because they were.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
We'll take some of your calls to finish out the week,
headed into again Thanksgiving week, we come back eight hundred
and two two two eight a two.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
But I've got to pick. Did you give out a
pick yesterday?
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I did say always bet on mister Pickles, and then
things got a little wilds Pickles got into a fight
George Pickens.
Speaker 1 (56:04):
In case you're wondering at the end of the game.
Great game in the snow, but it did not go
well for Pickles. Pickles got into it. Let's see what
his stats were. I'm pulling those up right now because
I do want to see if he did have a
good game or not. And Pickens had four catches for
forty eight yards. Not a bad game, not a great game.
(56:25):
It's an OK game. And then he got in a fight.
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(56:46):
that one. That is impossible to lose. So that is
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(57:07):
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